CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN September 30, 2015 7:01pm-7:44pm PDT
>> so you come in and you hand me these polls. >> just got them myself. >> they're good, though. can we talk about the suffolk university poll? >> sure. >> 23%, you're the front-runner. the two people who are second, ben carson, carly fiorina, they're in second place. you almost doubled them. tripled jeb bush. be honest with me, did you ever think you would be to this point? what's your reaction? >> well, i do like to win, don, in my life. i haven't lost too often and i would think that i went into it originally because i thought i was going to do well but i'm a little ahead of schedule. and i'm under budget. it's like i build. i'm under budge and i'm ahead of schedule, mean being i haven't spent nearly as much. i would have thought i'd spend about $20 million at this time on advertising and i spent nothing because i seem to be getting a lot of press and i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that we're resonating with the people, but we're getting a lot of coverage so i haven't had to advertise, which is nice. >> i want to talk about the
polls and get to the race later but i've got to get to foreign policy now with what's going on with syria and russia. russia striking syria for the first time, giving the u.s. about an hour's notice. >> they don't respect the u.s. >> what do you think of this ratcheting up, though? >> number one, they don't respect our president and they don't respect us anymore. at the same time, if they want to hit isis, that's okay with me. we don't have to do it all. i'm a very strong person when it comes to the military. i think it will be my big sleeper. as a sleeper subject for me, i think one of my strengths will be the military. i'm very, very strong on the military. i believe so strongly in it. we're going to build a tremendous military. nobody's going to mess with us. but at the same time, we have to be respected and, frankly, we're not being respected. nevertheless, i love the fact that isis is being hit by russia. >> but according to u.s.
officials, the areas that are being hit are not isis strongholds. these are areas propping up assad. >> i'm hearing that. i'm hearing they're hitting both, but i'm hearing that. and then you say to yourself, assad, bad guy, killed hundreds of thousands of people but you wonder what's going to happen with the other people that we don't know who they are. we always give billions in weapons and then they turn them against us, we have no control. we don't know the other people that we're supposed to be backing. we don't even know who we're backing. russia and iran. we have made iran strong by giving them $150 billion in one of the dumbest deals i've ever seen. so you have russia and iran are backing assad. at the same time my primary thing is getting rid of isis because isis really does stand for evil. >> you have said let's just let the russians take care of it but u.s. officials are saying these air strikes are not targeting isis, they were targeting the opposition to assad. do you want to change -- would
you change your position on that at all? >> look, i want to invest trillions of dollars in rebuilding our country. i want to create a tremendously strong military, stronger than we've ever had before and really technologically strong. we need technology. we're the king of technology. but that's what i want to do. i want to invest money in our country. we've invested so much money in the middle east and we have nothing for it. russia, if you think about the old soviet union, you know where they went bad, they went into afghanistan, they were there for years and they virtually went bankrupt as a nation and that's when it all split up. if russia wants to go in and if russia wants to fight in particular isis and they do and one of the reasons they do is because they don't want isis coming into their country and that's going to be the next step. that's why they're there. >> so you believe they're fighting isis -- >> i think they will be fighting isis and i think they'll try and prop up assad and help him out. frankly, who are we backing?
we don't know. i was with a major leader the other day and they don't know who we're backing. and what about libya? it's a mess. nobody knows what's going on. look at iraq. iran is taking over iraq sass su -- as sure as you're sitting there. >> how would you handle putin? >> well, there's no respect. i do deals. i do really good at deals. the other side has to respect you. putin probably doesn't respect our president. he probably doesn't respect our country so much because he's gone through so many years of obama but he doesn't respect our president. it's a real problem. >> you've got russia and the u.s. flying in the same place. don't we need rules of engagement? >> a couple of bad moves you have world war iii over syria,
right? i don't think so. i don't think so. it would have been nice if we went in and as unified front to be honest with you, but if russia wants to go in and knock the hell out of isis, this big migration where now they're talking about bringing 200,000 people into the united states and i will tell you, if i win, i'm going to say it right now and i'll say it to you, those 200,000 people, they have to know this and the world will hear it, are going
back. we're not going to accept 200,000 people that may be isis. you know, when you look at the migration, there's so many men and there's so many men that look strong to me, i'm pretty good at analyzing things. i say where are all the women? you see so few women. they look strong and they're young. number one, why aren't they fighting for their country? number two, what's going on? why are we accepting all of these thousands? i heard a number today, 200,000. that's almost like are they bringing -- are these people isis in we have no idea who they are, no idea where they come
from. i'm just telling you right now they may come from through the weakness of obama but they're going out in i become president. they are going back to syria, whether it's safe zones or whatever but they're going back to syria. >> you mentioned iran. iran is now talking prisoner swaps. what do you think as a prisoner swap? >> i said it yesterday and i tweeted and i had thousands and thousands of retweets. we're talking about three prisoners, i don't know what happened to the fourth, we had four over there. and they're talking now iran wants to negotiate but they want a lot. they want 19 different people for our three. still, nobody's mentioning the fourth. who is the fourth they're not mentioning? >> so then what is the deal? >> here's the thing. we should have had those people back as part of this horrible deal we made. it will still be a horrible deal. we're giving them $150 billion, 24-day inspection -- the whole
thing is a horror show, right? it couldn't be any worse. you talk about a powerful iran. iran now is with russia. we've unified russia with iran. they were never unified like they are now. we've had the dumbest foreign policy in the history of this country. we have unified the middle east, we've unified russia, by the way, with china. from the time i'm a young man i always heard it would be a terrible thing if russia and china ever got together. guess what? they're together now. you know why? because of oil. because obama has done things to russia where they ended up unifying with china. everything is wrong with our foreign policy. >> so what do you do then? because people are asking you to give more specifics about foreign policy. >> and i have said it, i've said it a hundred times, i don't like talk so long specifically, i'm going to do this, i'm going to do that, like a fool. i'm going to do this, this, this. i want them to understand -- i want to be unpredictable. you know there was a great article about me in the recent
past, very recent past actually, and one of my competitors in business said, you know, the toughest thing about trump is he's so unpredictable. we don't know what he's going to do. i made a great deal, took it away from people who thought they had it, it was very nice. the competitor said as respect, not a negative, they said trump is totally unpredictable. i want to be unpredictable. you know i said i'd take the oil. a lot of stupid people said, oh, what a terrible thing. how how has the oil? isis has the oil and they have money -- i was against going into iraq in the first place. >> but -- >> don, it's very important. i'm the most militaristic person of any person running but you have to know when to use it. i was against going in.
nobody else was against going in. going in was a mistake. you check 2004 reuters -- >> i know you said it. >> it's very important. it's like vision. i said you're going to destab destabilize the middle east and iran will take over iraq. and that happened. and an offshoot, iran -- >> that's all well and good. >> but i was the one who predicted it. nobody else said it. >> but americans at least want to know you have some sort of plan, some sort of idea about what you would do. >> i have an absolute idea. the reason i said i was against it is because i think it's important for people to know i predicted exactly what was going to happen for iran and iraq. i think it's very important for people to know. a lot of the voters, i may be leading in the polls by a lot but a lot of the voters don't even know that. i made not only the best
prediction, i made a totally accurate prediction. as you and i are sitting here, iran is talking to iraq and iran is taking over iraq and taking over the second largest oil fields. i don't know if you know, iraq has tremendous reserves underground. iran's going to get everything. after we lost all those lives and all that money, because we're led by very stupid people. >> and we are just getting started. up next, are we going to see a kinder, gentler donald trump on the campaign trail? plus he tells me how he's going to pay for his tax plan. and later trump, the family man. what he says about his youngest son, baron. >> baron loves new york and he keeps saying, dad, do you think we'll have to go to washington? and i say we have a long way to go right now. become the only thing you think about.
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you are the front-runner. you are leading the polls, most of them by double -- by big numbers. >> finally you say that. >> i've been saying it but some people say you may have the nomination, you should act like you have the job. you told our very own erin burnett that sometimes you acquiesce, it's a little bit childish -- >> but i'm fighting a lot of people that are coming at me because i have good polls. you have governors and senators that are at one and two and
three and i'm -- some polls say i'm at 36. so when you see that, and i understand why, i think i'd do the same thing they're doing, but all of a sudden they hit me. i get hit out of the blue by rand paul. i get hit by this guy rubio. they hit me because they want to grab some of the attention. >> my question is, and i saw you on fox news, you kind of acquiesced a little bit, are you going to see a kinder, gentler donald trump? >> you are. look, i built a great company. jeb bush said my tone is a little tough. this is a tough world. you can't have people who are low energy running the country. i think i have a great
temperament. that's all i've been doing all my life is winning. >> the former president bill clinton talked about the gop race. here's what he said. >> you shouldn't be able to insult your way to the white house or use enough politically correct phrases to get your way to the white house on either side. and i think as the field winnows down, i hope it will get more serious because the american people deserve some sense of what the heck you're going to do if you actually get the job because the day after you take the oath of office -- >> it's yours. >> you can't level an insult or -- you're not in an episode of "survivor," you're supposed to show up and run the show. >> just so you understand, i had tremendous success with "the apprenti apprentice," i've had a great career, a great amount of
victory and a lot of fun doing it. but when he says with me it's not about that, i've made tremendous -- hundreds and hundreds of deals that have been great deals. we're talking about deals, talking about people. i'll tell but him. there's no such thing as deals. it's people. people are basically deals. you have to be able to read and see what's going on. most people can't do that. okay, very, very few can do that. he is defending his wife. his wife has been very nasty to me. every time she makes a speech, she says something. i said she's the worst secretary of state in the history and a lot of people agree with me. >> but you've complimented her before. >> when i'm a businessman, i compliment everybody because i want you to speak well of me. i have been a world class businessman. i deal over the world, i'm successful all over the world, i compliment everybody. i'm not going say bad about the secretary of state and then i'm doing a deal in whatever country
i'm doing it, i'm in like 18 different countries right now. >> you don't think that's being disingenuous? >> if you really look at it, the real problem is what has she done as secretary of state? now, she's hit me very hard so i don't feel guilty, but everybody that i have hit, you know, a lot of people say i hit hard but i'm a counterpuncher. i never go first. when rubio hit me, i didn't say anything bad about him. he hit me. there's a guy, he's got a terrible record, he's got a lot of things going that, very bad, very weak on immigration and i hit him hard. i hit rand paul hard. he came out of nowhere. he was oh, donald, you're so great, you're so wonderful. all of a sudden two, three weeks ago he starts hitting me. the only time i go after people is when they hit me. i'm a counterpuncher. i have to win before i look at
the other. as far as hillary is concerned, i don't feel guilty at all because she has been very nasty to me over the last three or four weeks in her speeches. so i'm going to hit back. >> i have to ask you this, mr. trump. again, as the leader of the free world if you were to become the leader of the free world, you're saying i'm going to compliment, do you think that's being disingenuous -- >> no, i'm being honest. when i'm in business as a very top business person, i'm not going to speak badly of senators. i get along with the democrats, with the republicans, i get along with everybody, nancy pelosi, harry reid. i get along with everybody. all my life i've dealt at high levels of politics. some of your people in your staff can tell you this and eye do -- i've done very well. >> you have done very well. forbes came out with the ten
richest people. you have said your net worth is $10 billion. they said it's $4.5 billion. which is it? >> i have a wonderful company, the most iconic assets. they're totally off. they told me, they way off. >> they said a team of people. >> they don't even know my assets, i'm a private company. and they told me they're way low. but they want to be very conservative. so if they're close to $5 billion and they're being conservative, that's not the worst thing. what they have said, tremendous cash flow, tremendous cash, tremendous assets. my assets are among the best in the world. in real estate there's nothing like what i have. >> i wondered when you came out with your tax plan, if it was actually good for americans who tend to be on the lower end, which can be black and brown people, right, who are in the lower end because they won't
have to pay taxes. >> it is good. and it will create jobs. >> couples that earn under 50,000, individuals under $25,000 won't pay taxes. ben carson said this is bad. >> jobs are not for ben. putting people back to work, i created tens of thousands of jobs. that's what i do, don. i build this incredible company but i've employed tens of thousands of people. right now i have thousands of people working for me. ben's strength is not jobs, which worries me because we have to make new trade deals, china's ripping us, all of these companies, japan, mexico, brazil, every country that we do business with is taking our base, they're taking our jobs. that's not his expertise. unless we're going to bring our
jobs back to these shores, we're never going to make it as a country. >> the question is about -- you're talking about no more death tax. should someone like you with as much wealth -- >> the problem with the death tax -- >> let me get the question in. someone like you who has so much money, should you be able to leave your entire fortune to your family? they say that's an aristocracy. >> first of all, i'm not. there have been so many businesses where there's a business and it's got to be run in certain way, these families have been devastated because they've been forced to mortgage up and do all sorts of things, they've been devastated. maybe almost more important than that, it's really a double and even a triple tax. by the time you get to the death tax, it's a double tax. the tax has already been paid. so if you think about it, they've been paying taxes over the years and the tax has already been paid. you can make the case it's been
paid twice. so the death tax is something that actually is very, very popular. people like farmers, they have a farm, they make an income. the farm is worth x dollars but they don't make that much income, these people are devastated. the death tax is a very important element because it's very unfair to a lot of people. again,e it's double taxation. >> people wonder how you're going to pay for these tax cuts. a host of experts say the deficit will skyrocket by trillions of dollars over a decade if your plan gooes into effect. >> i have one of the greatest scalpels in history. i have a scalpel for business. we have costs that are outrageous. over the next couple of weeks, i'm putting out some of the most incredible money that was spent
for thanksgivi for things that should have cost a few dollars where they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. the money that we are losing to theft, to incompetence, to everything is tens of billions of dollars. jeb bush loves common core. i don't. i don't think bureaucrats from washington should be running education in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and every play else, okay? and we're going to cut out huge sections of, as an example, the department of education. environmental protection, it's disgusting what they've done. they've stopped work and even a couple of weeks ago they destroyed a river. they go and they destroyed the river themselves. they opened up the lock. so here's the thing, there's tremendous cutting that goes with my tax plan that i haven't talked about yet but that will be phase two. we're going to have a government that's going to be much leaner, much better, much meaner, meaner
in the sense of it's going to be efficient. but, don, there is so much money that is being wasted, and when you cut the taxes, you're going to create jobs, we're going to take jobs away from china, we're going to take jobs away from japan where they're sending us millions of cars, we get nothing for it. one thing very important. i just did this last week. i told my staff i want to go immediately, i want accurate numbers, very important, on the deficits with china, japan. we lose almost $400 billion a year to china, $75 billion a year to japan, $50 billion a year to mexico. many, many other countries. we lose with everybody. we don't win anymore. >> when we come right back, a tough question for donald trump. is he homophobic? we'll see how he answers next.
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unfair and tell me about it. you're heading back to new hampshire, right, for the first time for the town hall for the first time since the guy said the president is a muslim and we have to get him out. if something like that comes up again, would you handle it differently? >> i don't think so, no. i don't know who the gentleman was but he likes obviously president obama very much. i don't think i have to defend president obama. he was very strong on his stance. i don't know who this guy was but i will tell you this -- >> but you're defending the truth, you're not defending the president. >> you're not saying i didn't defend it. it's the first time in my life i caused controversy by not respondi responding. he said muslims are a problem. okay. are they a problem? you tell me. and i say -- i don't see the people, and i use it often that,
knocked down the world trade center going back to sweden, okay? he said muslims are a problem. that's part of what he said. most muslims, i know many, are great people. >> do you think muslims are a problem? >> well, i think a certain set are certainly a problem. and unless you want to be so politically correct where you want me to say, oh, absolutely not, i mean, you have isis, you have the migration, you have all of this stuff, you have, you know, a lot of people think you're going to end up with world war iii over the middle east. i've heard that for 25 years. there's something going on when you see beheadings. we haven't soon that since medieval times. you see dunkings, drownings, where they put people in a cage and put them in the ocean. something's going on. when he says muslims are a
problem -- again, you probably won't put this part but i have great friends that are muslims living here. and most of them are like that. >> have they asked you about the comments? >> by the way, they think we have a bigger problem than we do. there's a radical islamic group of people that is brutal and unless our country get tough and smart and unless we have the right leadership, don, we're in big trouble. >> i hear many people say it just republicans, it's just people who are really far right who are talking and supporting donald trump. i hear liberals talking about you, i hear hispanics talking about you, i hear gay people talking about you and they say i like what he has to say, but they're just concerned, do you think you are homophobic? >> no. i think i'm a very nice person. i love people. i have to tell you when you look at the polls and look at the
poll that just came, it's across the board. you know who loves me? the tea party. the evangelicals. i'm leading with evangelicals. i love them, they love he. i'm presbyterian, i'm protestant. they like me because they think i'm going to do a great job for the country. but if you look, because you're making it sound like i'm far right -- >> no, i'm saying it's not. i'm saying your appeal is broader than people -- >> it liberal, across the board. >> it's broader than people think it is. >> some people may perceive you as racist. answer that. >> i just did a speech for the african-american chamber of commerce from south carolina and they just wrote the most beautiful letter i got in a long time who said i was treated
unfairly. it was packed with people. i made a mistake. i said they ran from their seats, they actually formed there. cnn in particular made me look bad. they wrote a letter saying it was sold out, it was packed, it was the best event they ever had. it wasn't my event. i just did a favor. >> how did they make you look bad? >> because they made you lome l bad. i was surrounded by people. what i'm saying is the press is very, very unfair. but what does happen and what people are surprised at is in every one of my polls, not just today's from "usa today" but every one of the polls, like you, i think you're one of them,
it's straight across the board. >> and you have said you're not anti-muslim. thank you for answering those questions. >> okay, fine. >> let's talk about planned parenthood. they do some good things you say. are you surprised to see what's spilling out in congress now -- >> no, because they feel very, very -- people that are republicans like myself think it disgusting some of the tapes that came out and some of the views. they're fighting it, planned parenthood is fighting it but if you look at what's going on with those tapes, anybody who watches those tapes cannot be happy with what's going on. and they had bad representatives. when you watch those documents talking so cavalierly about what obviously is human life, i think it disgraceful. >> carly fiorina has made this a big part of her campaign talking about the video. >> that was a video that they say was not a correct video. >> what are your thoughts on
that? >> she's been hit very hard on that. they say it want correct. i don't know. i can't speak to that video. i've soon soeen some of the oth videos that are absolutely correct and i think it disgraceful what they're doing. >> up next, trump opens up about his children and his wife and what we can expect to see on the campaign trail. s like we have sf sea monster in the water hazard here. i believe that's a "kraken", bruce. it looks like he's going to go with a nine iron. that may not be enough club... well he's definitely going to lose a stroke on this hole. if you're a golf commentator, you whisper. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. this golf course is electric...
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can we talk about your family? >> yes. >> i just met your son donald jr. >> good. >> i have said before you don't see the trump kids in and out of clubs or in the tabloids. what does that say about you, the kid you have raised and who they are? >> well, i have children. everybody has wonderful children. >> is that a good measure of who donald trump is? >> i think i've done a very good job. i've been very strict, very tough, i always said no drugs, no alcohol, and even no
cigarettes. ivanka would say, "dad, you're driving me crazy with this." my kid, they're good kids. they work hard. they don't have to work. they went to college, they work hard. i have good kids. some very successful people have called me, could you speak to my children. because your children have been good. knock on wood, i hope it continues that way. life is fragile. >> i think you're past the point where it goes bad. >> i do have good children. >> let's talk about melania. she said to "people" magazine recently, even if you give him advice, he will maybe take it in but then he will do it the way he wants to do it. he did not change a person. do you like what she had to say? >> i think it probably true. look, i have my own mind. i do listen to lots of people and then it goes through this and i do what i think is right. but i am very open and i think she also means that i'm very
open to listening to a lot of different ideas and a lot of different people. >> we saw her coming down the escalator with you when you made the announcement -- are we going to see more of her? >> yes. i think she's going to be amazing and ivanka will be amazing. i have such great respect for women and i cherish women. some people say you shouldn't say cherish, hillary clinton says you shouldn't say cherish. why? i will be better on women's health issues than everybody but one of the things that both melania and ivanka told me is, dad, you should explain your love for women, your respect for women. >> what kind of first lady do you think melania would be? >> i think she'll be incredible. she's got a terrific heart. >> she said my job right now is