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this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news this morning, disturbing new details in the college campus massacre. gunman asking their religions before shooting them. the blog posts linked to the shooter. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> i'm christine romans. it is friday, october 2nd. welcome to the viewers in the u.s. and around the world. disturbing information about the 26-year-old gunman who opened fire on the campus in oregon. police say he showed up at umpqua community college heavily
armed. according to a father of an injured student, he opened fire as soon as he entered the classroom as students if they were christian. >> he came in and there were gunfire immediately and scattered the room. got everyone's attention. from what i understood what she said is he shot the professor point blank. one shot. killed him. took him right out of it. others had been injured and then this man had enough time -- i don't know how many time elapsed before he was able to stand there and ask people one by one who their religion was. are you a christian, he would ask them. if you are a christian, stand up. they would stand up. because you are christian, you will see god in just about one second and he shot and killed them. he kept going down the line doing this. >> let's get the latest.
our john vause is on the ground in roseburg, oregon. you hear that, john, that father of a witness talking about that scene in the classroom. it is just horrifying. what more do we know? >> reporter: there are many stories like that which have been emerging over last few hours, christine. we don't know why the gunman decided to come here to the community college. we know more about how he went about this rampage and classroom to classroom and how he shot the students in those classrooms. we know he was armed with three handguns. he had a long rifle and a lot of ammunition. law enforcement sources say he had so much ammunition, he was ready for a prolonged gun fight. he did in fact die in a shootout with police. it is unclear if police killed him or if he took his own life. we know he had body armor with him. one student, hannah miles, spoke to an affiliate of ours.
she spoke about the terror as gunshots rang out and what happened when they heard the gun shots and the teacher went to the door to see what happened. >> she knocked on the door. she yelled through the door and said is everyone okay over there. as soon as she said that, multiple shots were fired. when she turned and looked at the classroom, the look on her face was horrifying. that's when i knew something was wrong. she looked at us and i don't know. it's hard to explain. when she looked at us, she said we have to get out now. one of my classmates jumped up and said come on, let's go. we immediately began running. i did not know what was going on, but i knew it was serious. >> reporter: and other students spoken how they hunkered down in the classrooms and hid under
desks and behind backpacks. they locked the doors and turned the curtains down. they thought it was a drill, but then realized it was real. we are told authorities should name the victims here later today. there is a slow process in formally identifying the names, but they should come out in the coming hours. >> thank you, john. >> and learning information about the victims here. that is what we want to focus on. it appears there were nine people killed. a tenth death is the shooter itself. even that is not perfectly clear. new information about the shooter through police reports and blog posts. authorities say he was prepared for a prolonged gun fight. he had four weapons when he arrived on campus. investigators confirmed he lived near roseburg. wrote online about recent mass murderers and he is deeply
troubled. he focused on the attention brought to the gunman. he wrote a man known by no one is now known by everyone. face across the screen and all in the course of one day. it seems the more people you kill, the more you are in the limelight. in california, the gunman's father spoke briefly to reporters. >> i won't answer any questions right now. obviously it is a devastating date day for me and my family. i know you are here to do a job. all i ask is you respect our privacy and so far you have done that. >> any surprise at all? >> shock. shocked is all i can say. >> cnn's sara sidner is in win chester, oregon, live outside the apartment where neighbors say the shooter lived. good morning, sara. >> reporter: good morning. we have been showing a picture
of the shooter that was given to us by authorities. to see if the neighbors recognized him. indeed, the two neighbors we talked to did recognize him. they have seen him around here. they had seen him in the mornings and sometimes the evening. he really kept to himself. he was quiet and not gregarious. he basically did not say much and did not interact with people that much here. they did also talk about the fact that they could not believe what they were hearing this whole area is in mourning. the entire state. specifically, roseburg itself and surrounding areas that the college is the only college in the county where had shooting happened. people ages 20 to 70 used that college. it was part of the community. i can tell you there was something different that happened here today that neighbors noticed.
one neighbor who lives in the same building where the shooter also lived noticed a woman visibly upset and started to cry. she started to bawl according to one of the neighbors. they believe that was the shooter's mother who was here who ended up later on talking to authorities. authorities showed up in the evening here. they said they looked out the window to see s.w.a.t. teams here. they were in full gear trying to get closer and closer to the apartment on the second floor. apartment number 12. they did eventually enter that apartment. we noticed there were a lot of agencies. fbi, atf, sheriff's department were here as well. they had taken some items out of the apartment here and there are still a couple of deputies stationed here tonight protecting that apartment making sure no one goes in or out. there is still crime tape there.
all of the other crime tape has been taken down. right near the door, we noticed neighbors were starting to come back here because most people had left because they could not get into their apartments. starting to come back and trying to go into their rooms and go to sleep. they simply cannot believe the person responsible for the shooting of ten, maybe nine or ten people, was living next door. john. >> sara, any link at this point between the shooter and umpqua community college and victims who were there? >> reporter: you know, everyone wants to know why did he choose umpqua community college. so far, we have not heard of a link. not from law enforcement, not from the people who saw him around here, not from his family. what we can tell you is a little bit about where this all happened. it happened in snyder hall, which is an area for humanities. it is where kids learn and
english classes and writing classes. we ended up talking to one of the students in a writing class in an adjoining classroom with a door between her classroom and the classroom where the shooter was. she described what she heard. >> i heard one gunshot and then i looked over outside and people were running away from the building. i knew what happened. i said to the teacher, we have to get out of here. we have to go. the second and third gunshots happened. by that time, i was out the door. i was one of the first people out. there were some people scattered around campus and i said you need to get out. follow me if you need to. there's been a shooting. people are injured. some killed. >> reporter: sarah cobb said she had only been in school like everyone else for four days when this happened. she said it rattled her so much
and other students, she herself cannot imagine going back into a classroom there in the near future. this community is in mourning. john. >> what a mess. i was talking to one of the survivors last night. i was asking if your friends are okay. he said i think everyone is okay, but i have only been on campus for four days. what an awful beginning to the school year. sara sidner for news winchester, oregon. thank you. >> so many shaken. the president of the united states visibly shaken and frustrated. this is the 15th time president obama since he has been in office that he has been forced to address the country after a gun related massacre. listen to him here. he challenges the american people and the news media to force a change to the nation's gun laws. >> somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine. my response here at this podium
ends up being routine. the conversation aftin the aftermath of it. we've become numb to this. we talked about this after columbine and blacksburg and tucson and newtown and aurora and after charleston. it cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun. and what's become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common sense gun legislation. right now, i can imagine the press release is being cranked out. we need more guns, they'll argue. fewer gun safety laws.
does anybody really believe that? there are scores of responsible gun owners in this country. they know that's not true. what is also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say obama politicized this issue. well this is something we should politicize. it is relevant to our common life together to the body politic. i would ask news organizations because i won't put these facts forward. have news organizations tally up the number of americans killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. and post those side by side on your news reports. this won't be information coming from me. it is coming from you. >> so here are the numbers. killed by gun violence from 2004
through 2013. 313 americans killed by acts of terrorism. during the same time frame, 316,545 americans died from gun violence. all sorts of gun violence on u.s. soil. the daily news this morning does a different mathematical calculation. they do it from sandy hook. so 87,423 people died because of a gun in this country. sandy hook, you know, that shocked america. i'll tell you, people close to the president said that was one of the moments he really felt like there was a failure in the united states. that was such a horrible situation. here we are again with another one. the president is saying save these lives. let these people grow up. >> he says one of his biggest regrets they have had is they have not been able to do more since then. it is important to take a step back.
we don't know yet how this shooter got the guns. he may have bought them legally. there may be no gun law to stop the person from getting guns if there is no record of mental health or criminal record. >> it is more than just access to guns. mental health care and being lost or abandoned in american society. what are the things that create a broken person who does something like this. >> we will follow this all morning long. new information coming in every minute. first, we have update on hurricane joaquin. gaining strength and shifting course in the atlantic. we will have the very latest forecast next. but . doesn't work on wrinkles. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula... to work on fine lines and even deep wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®. could protect you from diabetes? what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease?
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you can see by monday, we are looking at category two. that information by the national hurricane center. look at this. comparisons made to sandy. here we go. sandy and then it moved in toward the new england area. here are the computer models out into the atlantic. there is another component here. it is not just the hurricane. a stubborn area of low pressure across the southeast. it is all tapped with the moisture. south carolina, this is going to be terrible over the next several days. you could see record setting, historic rainfall totals here. a terrible weekend to head to the beach. beyond 24 and 48 hours, critical times for joaquin. we will keep you updated on that. back to you. >> thank you so much for that. breaking news this morning. ten dead in a college campus massacre. presidential candidates.
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condolences of the roseburg tragedy. he said it is happening more and more. he said i don't remember years back. i don't remember these things happening. certainly not with this frequency. mike huckabee and john kasich responded as well. and huckabee said with few facts, the president is quick to politicize his agenda. he said this is not the fault of the second amendment. ben carson said the focus needs to be on preventing unstable people he says from getting hands on guns. >> obviously, there will be those calling for gun control, but you know, that happens every time we have one of these inciden incidents. obviously that's not the issue. the issue is the mentality of
these people and we need to be looking at the mentality of these individuals and seeing if there are any early warning clues that we can gather that will help us as society be able to identify these people ahead of time. >> you know, it is interesting. mental health is an issue that people want to discuss when talking about the gun laws in the country. hillary clinton expressed anger and disbelief and talked about the gun issue as well. >> i'm sick about it and i feel an absolute urgency for this country to starting sensible about keeping guns away from people who should not have them. i will try to do everything i can as president to raise up an equally large and vocal group that is a counter balance. >> bernie sanders wrote we need sensible gun control legislation which prevents the use of guns
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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news this morning. we have new information about the gunman in the campus shooting that left ten people dead. the disturbing blog posts linked to him and his father speaks to the media. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. breaking news. this new information about the shooter who opened fire on the
college campus in oregon leaving ten people dead. police say he showed up at umpqua community college heavily armed with body armor. according to the father of a wounded student, the gunman opened fire as soon as he entered the classroom. he asked some victims about their religion during the killing spree. >> he came in and there were gunfire immediately and scattered the room. got everyone's attention. he from what i understood what she said is he shot the professor point blank. one shot and killed him. took him right out of it. others had been injured and then this man had enough time -- i don't think how many time elapsed before he was able to stand there and ask people one by one what their religion was. are you a christian, he asked them. if you're christian, stand up. they would stand up.
good, because you're christian, you will see god in just about one second and shot and killed them. he kept going down the line doing this. >> we spoke to a lot of people overnight. describing the chaos on the campus when the shooting started. many people very confused as to what was going on. one student described what happened when they heard the gunshots. the teacher checked on a nearby classroom to make sure everything was okay. >> she knocked on the door. she yelled through the door and said hey is everyone okay over there. as soon as she said that, multiple shots were fired. when she turned and looked at the classroom, the look on her face was horrifying. that's when i knew something was wrong. she looked at us and it was just i don't know. it's hard to explain. when she looked at us, she said we have to get out now. one of my other classmates jumped up and said let's go. we immediately began running.
didn't know what was going on, but i knew the look and fear on my teacher's face that it was serious. >> we were finding out more about the shooter and some of the recent blog posts. the suspect was prepared for a long gun fight. he had four weapons when he arrived on campus. investigators also confirm he lived near roseburg and wrote online about recent mass murders. focusing on the attention it brought to the gunman. in one passage, a man known by no one is now known by everyone. his face across every screen. his name across the lips of every person on the planet. all in the course of one day. seems the more people you kill, the more you are in the limelight. that passage, he is writing about the man who recently killed two reporters in virginia. in california, the gunman's father spoke briefly to reporters. >> i don't want to answer any questions right now. obviously it's been a
devastating day. devastating for me and my family. all i ask, i know you are here to do your job, all i ask is please respect our privacy. so far you have done that. >> any surprise at all? >> shock. >> let's go to winchester, oregon and bring in cnn's sara sidner. she is outside the apartment where neighbors say the shooter lived. sara, what are you learning this morning? >> reporter: we have been talking to a couple of neighbors who had seen him. we showed them a picture of the law enforcement showed us of the shooter. they said yes, that is the person we have seen at the apartment complex for the last six months. they are not sure when he moved in. what i can tell you is that they say he had been very quiet and he was kind of to himself. he did not engage a lot with people. they did see him about. some people talked to him now
and then. he very much stuck to himself. they did notice something different today. they noticed a woman who was crying, who was visibly upset. a few hours after the shooting happened. one of the neighbors said they wept up to her and tried to ask her what was wrong. she said none of your business. we apologize. we are getting sprayed by some of the sprinklers here. she talked about the fact that she saw this woman just so visibly upset. she believes that is the shooter's mother. >> she was bawling. she looked really upset. i mean, i can't blame her. this is insane. my heart goes out to her and all the people there. >> reporter: that was brenda hart. she lives in the building here. close to where the shooter lived.
he lives on the second floor in apartment number 12. we have been watching as police have gone in and out of the apartment. they cordoned off the area initially. there was a s.w.a.t. team that came here crouching in the bushes according to witnesses and neighbors. they were wearing full gear. concerned about what they may find in the apartment. whether it could have been booby trapped or a threat to them or other neighbors. what police have not said and not confirm and whether or not they believe this is where the shooter lives. neighbors said they are fairly certain that this is indeed where he has been living. we were also told by some of the neighbors there have been things taken out of the apartment. they were asked to leave themselv themselves. we saw some items removed. the atf, fbi and the sheriff's department have been here investigates the scene here. >> sara, do we know what connection, if any, the shooter had to the college or victims?
>> reporter: we don't at this point. that is the big question that everyone is trying to figure out. you know, just down the street here, close is an elementary school. a school he could have gone into. instead, he chose to go to a school more than a mile away to the community college here that serves the county. the only one in the entire county. no one can quite figure out what exactly the link is there, if there is is any link. the reason why he decided to go into the classroom and into the school and do this horrible thing. what we can tell you is we talked to students about what they heard and what they saw when he started shooting. >> i heard one gunshot and then i looked over outside and people were running away from the building. i knew exactly what happened. i said we have to get out of here. there are people running. we need to go.
the second and third gunshots happened. by that time, i was out the door. i was one of the first people out. so there were people scattered around campus. i would tell them you need to get out. follow me if you need to. there's been a shooting. people are injured and some killed. >> reporter: that was sarah cobb. she was a brand new student at the college. she said all of them had been there just four days before all this happened. she described what happened afterwards when the buses came eventually to pick those students who had not been injured, but witnessed something. they were all bussed in to the fairgrounds about seven miles from the college. the fbi came and talked to them as well. she said it was a pretty chaotic scene because parents knew that is where they were to go to hook up with students not knowing if their child had been necessarily shot or not and not knowing the status and health of their child or teacher.
she said it was a chaotic scene and hugging and talking to one another. people were bringing snacks. it was difficult to see people to distressed. this community is going through hell right now. that is the best way to describe it. the entire community is in mourning. christine. >> sara sidner, thank you. president obama responded last night. people who have known the president for a long time and worked with him for a long time say this is as angry as they have ever seen him. this is the 15th time the president has addressed the nation after a gun related massacre. he challenged the american people and the news media to help strengthen the nation's gun laws. >> somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine. my response here at this podium ends up being routine.
the conversation and the aftermath of it. we've become numb to this. we talked about this after columbine and blacksburg, after tucson, after newtown, after aurora and after charleston. it cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people get their hands on a gun. and what is routine is the response of any of those who want common sense legislation. right now, i can imagine the press release is being cranked out. we need more guns, they'll argue. fewer gun safety laws. does anybody really believe that?
there are scores of responsible gun owners in this country. they know that's not true. what's also routine is somebody somewhere will comment and say obama politicized this issue. well this is something we should politicize. it is relevant to our common life together to the body politic. i would ask news organizations because i won't put these facts forward. have news organizations tally up the number of americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade and the number of americans who have been killed by gun violence. and post those side by side on your news reports. this won't be information coming from me. it will be coming from you. >> here is one take on those numbers. between 2004 and 2013, 360,000
americans died from gun violence on u.s. soil. all kinds of gun violence. during the same timeframe, 313 americans were killed by acts of terrorism. and again, people who know the president for a long time. i was talking to dan pfeiffer. he said this is as angry as he has seen the president period. others say the biggest regret the president has is not accomplishing more himself and he blames others too, but himself on the issue of gun violence. >> people said they thought sandy hook would have been a turning point in american culture. there is something different about america. these things just happened. nothing changed. you had multiple shootings since then. we will follow the latest on the campus tragedy all morning long. first, hurricane joaquin shifting course. we are tracking all of the possibilities for this very dangerous storm next. (vo) what does the world run on? it runs on optimism.
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hurricane joaquin battering the bahamas. category four storm. state and local officials along the east coast are preparing for the worst this morning. a possible direct hit from the powerful hurricane. although the latest forecast suggests that joaquin may stay out to the atlantic and miss the east coast. let's get more on the track from
meteorologist karen maginnis. karen. >> john and christine, hurricane joaquin has changed very little over the last 12 to 24 hours. we think beyond this time period movement will be more to the north. right now, 130-mile-an-hour winds with gusting up to 160. this is going to be a rough prediction. what happens as we go into the next three to five days, the turn will happen to the north and according to the national hurricane center, it keeps it well out in the atlantic. there are about two dozen computer models. several of them actually take this hurricane toward the mid-atlantic after about the next 72 hours. there are strong comparisons with what happened to hurricane sandy in 2012 that claimed 300 lives. it was well in the atlantic and moved in to the new england coast. you can see the computer models. most of them keeping it
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presidential candidates taking a pause from campaigning to offer support in the wake of the oregon campus massacre. jeb bush responded saying he is praying for umpqua community college and the victims and families impacted by the tragedy. donald trump tweeted warm condolences to the horrible roseburg tragedy. he says this is happening more and more. i don't remember this happening with this frequency. john kasich and mike huckabee tweeting as well. huckabee goes a step further criticizing president obama saying with few facts obama is politicizing his agenda. gun violence is a problem in the country. it is not the fault of second amendment, but the fault of evil people doing evil things. ben carson said the focus needs to be preventing unstable people from getting their hands on guns. >> well, obviously, there will
be those who will be calling for gun control, but you know that happens every time we have one of these incidents. obviously that's not the issue. the issue is the mentality of these people and we need to be looking at the mentality of the individuals and seeing if there are any early warning clues that we can gather that will help us as a society identify these people ahead of time. >> hillary clinton expressing anger and disbelief and addressing the gun issue as well. >> i'm sick about it and i feel an absolute urgency for this country to starting sensible about keeping guns away from people who should not have them. i will try to do everything i can as president to raise up an equally large and vocal group to prove to be a counter balance. >> and her rival bernie sanders
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ten people killed in umpqua community college in roseburg, oregon. that massacre happening on the community college campus yesterday. the recently retired president of the college says the school discussed hiring an armed security guard during the past year, but ultimately decided against it. says it is because officials felt the area was safe and armed officer might change the feel and culture on the campus that was designated a gun free zone. this is cnn military analyst frank cone. he lives in the area. he believes a discussion needs to take place about school security. >> reporter: a lot of discussion today about the gun free zone. was it not? oregon law is tricky. technically they cannot prevent
you from bringing a gun on campus, but they can prevent you from bringing it into a build g building. everybody those this was a safe area. no one realized we would have a gun battle on campus. >> we are waiting for the names of the people who were killed. authorities will release those today. there is new information about the gunman in that campus shooting. "new day" picks up our continuing coverage right now. there's a shooter. there's a shooter. >> confirmed report he has a long gun. >> she opened the door and gunman shot her. >> multiple shots fired. >> the look on her face. >> because you're a christian, you will see god in one second and he shot and killed them. >> i was terrified. i have never been more terrified for my life ever. >> once we got out of the building, people running in every direction. >> let me be clear. i will not name the shooter.
he has to have some connection to the school. >> somehow this has become routine. we have become numb to this. >> we have got to get the political will to do everything we can to keep people safe. >> our thoughts and prayers are not enough. it's not enough. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. another school in america victimized by a shooter. this time it is umpqua community college in oregon. ten murders. an outraged president obama you just heard him admonishing the nation for not fighting gun violence. we will report on how much is involved in the shootings and how little has been done. >> investigators once again trying to figure out why this 26-year-old shooter went on a rampage. were there warning signs missed?
what about the reports he targeted christian students? we are also learning more about the precious victims' lives taken. we have the story covered as cnn can. let's start with anna cabrera. what have you learned. >> reporter: more than 100 investigators are on scene, searching for answers. we're hearing more from students here at the college, describing that horror, that broke through and rocked this normally peaceful rural community. ♪ overnight, a mass of candle light vigil for the victims of umpqua community college's deadly mass shooting. disturbing new details coming from a father whose daughter was hit in the back by a bullet, describing how the gunman targeted those who s