tv CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow CNN October 3, 2015 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
only from xfinity. 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 p.m. pacific. i'm poppy haar low in new york. thank you for being with me. we begin this hour in oregon, remembering the victims is of the deadly massacre this week. we know the man who killed nine people and wounded nine others on the college campus committed suicide. we learned a short time ago when the sheriff spoke to the public we did indeed learn that he committed suicide after carrying out the heinous act. the shooter's father speak out for the first time one on one with ryan young. ryan joins us now from just outside los angeles in california.
ryan, i know you went to the door of this father, asked him to speak with you. and eventually he did come out. >> this is the toughest part of our jobs. unimaginable type of tragedy. when you hear him, you'll understand the pain he is under. he wanted to make sure he talked about the other families involved. >> you hurt for not only what's going in your family but the other families that have been impacted. >> absolutely. as i said before, it's been devastating for me and my family. but we're not alone in this. my heart goes out to all the families that were affected by
this. i know words won't bring their families back. i know there's i can say that will change what happened. but please believe me, my thoughts are with all of those families. and i hope that they can get through this. >> and you talked before, you said you were at a loss for words when it comes to something like this. there are so many questions that somebody can ask you. you really said you don't have any answers for them. >> sometimes you try to find the right words. it's just sometimes overwhelming. trying to understand what happened. i'm at a loss for words right now. >> you told me before you didn't want to talk too much about your son obviously because you're going through so much pain.
but you also realize that people are going to remember him differently now. >> i'm just leaving it up to the police to get the history and everything in his background. i'm sure they will announce. right now i'm going to leave it to them. >> the question i would like to ask is how on earth key compile 13 guns. how can that happen? they talk about gun laws. they talk about gun control. every time something like this happens, they talk about it. nothing gets done. i'm not to say that's to blame for what happened. but if chris had not been able
to get a hold of 13 guns it wouldn't have happened. >> that's a very powerful statement coming from you. i have to ask you, the idea, how did he get the 13 guns. that's what everyone is going to want to ask. >> look all over the world. you don't see these mass shootings all over the world on a consistent basis like you do in the united states. so somebody has to ask the question how is it so easy to get all these guns. how is it so easy? 13 guns. i have never held a gun in my life. i never want to. i know people do. but you have to ask that question. how was he able to compile that kind of arsenal. >> did you know he had 13 guns? >> i had no idea he had any guns. i had no idea he had any gun whatsoever. and i'm a great believer in don't buy guns, don't buy guns,
don't buy guns. >> you want to change this. >> it has to change. how can it not? even people that believe in the right to bear arms. you know, what right do you have to take people's lives? that's what guns are. they're killers. it's as simple as that. it is black and white. what do you want a gun for? >> my very last question. you said how does he have 1 guns. but there is a lot of people talk building his mental makeup. the police will dig into that. what do you understand about his mental makeup? >> i'm going to let the police go on with their investigation. whatever they determine is something they will find through the investigations. i don't have any comment to make on his mental state.
obviously for somebody to go and kill nine people has to have some kind of issue, whatever it is. >> the last time i saw him physically is when he went to oregon. the last few days we spent a little time together. i haven't seen him since he went to oregon. he's my sun. there isn't any disharmony, any bitterness between him and i.
he lived with his mother the time. he didn't come to live with me at all. >> poppy, the first thing i want to mention, the voice in the background was senior producer who travels with me all the time we work as a team. we had hundreds of conversations off camera. one of the reasons you heard him ask that question, we didn't think he was going to go as long as he did. just talk building the tragedy and what his family is facing. one of the things that stood out is 13 guns. how could his son have 13 guns? he said he was not aware of that. his son lived somewhere else, lived with his mother. he claims he had no idea his son started pigging up all these guns or even shot a gun before. you can understand his pain as i moves forward trying to process how his son is now connected to
this horrendous crime where all of these families have been torn apart because of something his son did. >> absolutely. thank you very much for bringing that to us. we appreciate it. when we come back, remembering the victims. the beautiful lives lost and those nine injured as well, including that man, the hero who put his own life at risk to save his classmates. now strangers are coming to his rescue. we'll explain. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.
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she's a nursing student. she was in her fourth day. and when this isn't occurred she laid down on the ground and played dead. and that saved her life. >> except for i was calling her. >> yeah. >> she is currently in icu. she lost a kidney due to her gunshot wound. but she's having a tough day today. we're hopeful she will make a full recovery. >> she is starting to remember things. it's going to be a very long
road physically and mentally. >> she was shot through the back. it clipped her lung and got lodged in her kidney. >> so she is having a lung problem with this also. >> she's jumpy, as you can imagine, when she hears a loud noise. she is starting to really remember the events and what happened. she was asked what her religion was and didn't say anything. >> i heard there was a shooting at the college. i grabbed my purse, my keys, and flew out of my job. >> well, her daughter remains in critical condition in the intensive care unit. her family has set up a go fund me page to help with the bills.
look at them. more than $670,000 has been raised so far. the family asked for 10,000. jean cassar else reports. >> reporter: when a gunman opened fire at umpqua early thursday morning, it was a seen of terror and chaos. >> somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the doors. >> 30-year-old chris mintz reacted instinctively to save lives. >> tried to block the door to stop the gunman from coming in. shot three times. >> even after being wounded and facing the killer, chris was thinking of his 6-year-old son. >> he looked up at the gunman and said it is my 6-year-old son's birthday. >> that didn't stop him from getting shot in the back, stomach, arms, and legs. according to his family, he was shot a total of seven times while trying to defend his
fellow classmates. long before heroic actions he was a star at his local high school in north carolina, 71, defensive tackle. after graduation, joining the united states army from 2004 to 2007, achieving the rank of specialist and being awarded a national defense service medal. now with two broken legs, his focus on healing and spending time with his family. jean casares, cnn, new york. >> amazing all of them here. as we heard the sheriff say today in the press conference. quick break. we will be right back.
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i want to take a moment to read some of the memories that the victims's families have from their loved ones. he said he only stood up for people. 34 years old and proud to be a christian, his family said jason had finally found his path. and 44 years old, the mother of two adult sons, son of a firefighter who responded to the tragedy. the teach, lawrence levine, loved to fly fish. lucas eibel, one of four quadruplets. and rebecka carnes.
those are some of the memories of the lives lost on thursday. we with now know how the oregon shooter's life ended after he opened fire in the english class that eventually killed those nine people. >> the medical examiner has determined the cause of death of the shooter to be suicide. >> suicide. we found out for the first time. founder and principal for center for suicide risk and assessment at columbia university. thank you very much for being here. i heard you talking here and was struck and stopped in my tracks. i said, wow, they have a test for this. you developed a test that has been administered time and time again to help determine if people are suicidal. how does it work? >> it works -- it's a number of questions that can be
administered in the hands of anybody. the policemen, the person who works in the gun store, the health care worker to help identify people who are at risk and make those distinctions. >> what are some of the questions that are asked? >> importantly, it's the first time that we have actually asked about the full range of suicidal behavior. what ma means is past is people would get asked have you ever tried to kill yourself. things we absolutely cannot afford to miss. you know what our science has shown us, those are the overwhelming majority of serious suicidal behaviors that people engage in. >> you cite a stunning statistic about the number of people who carry out shootings are suicidal. >> 90% of shooters have well documented histories of suicidal
behaviors and suicidal ideation. if we screen, meaning ask a few questions, we may be able to identify some of the people to get them the help they need before it's too late. a third of them actually report suicide as their motive. so there is a lot of overlap. in fact, i remember when the navy yard shooting happened. the deputy secretary is of the united states department of education sent an e-mail saying, you know, what is it going to take to make this ubiquitous. >> right. and i think this is part of what he said, right? >> yes. if we implement these questions to the extent of their capacity across the country we have the potential to keep 64 million of our children safe physically and mentally by preventing school violence. >> how do you do that? if you talk about this man who had 14 guns, all of them purchased legally, are you proposing that gun shop owners
ask gun buyers these questions? >> i am saying absolutely that can happen. we know these few questions have been ruled out through 40, 45 states top down. that means schools, police, grandmothers can do it, health care workers. it can be in the hands of everybody. >> do you think the public will accept that across the board? because this is such a polarizing issue. i have to answer this question. or should it be voluntary? >> i don't think it is about i have to or it being mandatory. most people who are suffering actually want help. the issue is people haven't historically asked the questions. 50% of suicides have seen their primary care doctor the month before they die. we should be asking these questions the way we monitor for blood pressure. >> everywhere by everybody.
they went to all 16 stations, including oak gnaw what, japan. every time a lawyer or clergy meets with a marine, they do this screener. they published an article. since they have done that and other things, they have reduced their suicide rate by 22% and now 64%. similarly in tennessee, in the largest outpatient care provider community care provider in the united states, they reduced their suicide rate by 65% in 20 months. >> by asking these questions. >> they brought it to life. by telling a story about a man who they had called a few times. he said he was fine. he said the last time you called and asked me those questions i was on a bridge. >> thank you, doctor. i didn't even know it. i didn't know this existed. >> very wonderful for the opportunity. >> all right. we'll be right back. hold the phone.
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and to the families of the victims, our hearts are with you. and you know that our hearts will be with you forever. please know that we consider your loved ones to be our heroes. they will never be forgotten. >> just hours after thursday's campus shooting in oregon, a visibly angry and frustrated president obama said americans have, quote, become numb to gun violence. he has spoken out after mass shootings 15 times during his presidency. >> we talked about this after columbine, plaques burg, newtown, aurora, charleston. it cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun.
i have had to make takes like this too many times. communities have had is to endure tragedies like this too many times. >> we come together filled with sorrow for the 13 americans that we have lost. with gratitude for the lives that they led, and with the determination to honor them through the work we will carry on. >> i come here as an american, who like all americans to pray with you today and will stand by you tomorrow. >> and the federal deposit ready to do whatever is necessary to bring whoever is responsible for this heinous crime to justice. >> all of us are heartbroken by what's happened. i offer thoughts and prayers not only myself and michelle but also the country as a whole. >> and each time i learn the
news, i react not as a president but as anybody else would as a parent. in our days to come, the community needs us to be at our best as americans. and i will do everything in my power as president to help. >> the lives that were taken from us were unique. the memories their loved ones carry are unique. and they will carry them and endure long after the news cameras are gone. >> any shooting is is troubling. obviously this reopens the pain of what happened at ft. hood five years ago. >> the country has to do some soul searching about this. this is becoming the norm. and we take it for granted. in ways that as a parent are terrifying to me. >> the news is i am confident that the outpouring of unity, strength, and fellowship and
love across charleston today indicates the degree to which those whole vestiges of hatred can be over time. >> and each time this happens i'm going to bring this up. each time this happens i'm going to say that we can actually do something about it. but we're going to have to change your laws. >> with me now cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. thank you for being here. >> thank you, poppy. >> you called president obama mourner in chief. you said that with wolf blitzer, my colleague. here's what you said. >> it is great to come out and be so sympathetic and be the mourner in chief as he is after the events. but then when that settles, leave. tell us what you want. tell us where we should go. tell us what the american people think will be a reasonable plan
to address this kind of violence. >> i know you want to hear what the president thinks. what do you think? what is the best plan? >> well, i think if nothing, let's study and find the best plan. members of congress are easy to take junkets over the world. put it together, go to australia and the european countries that passed laws that have reasonable restrictions on the ownership of firearms or the checking of people before they can purchase the firearm. see why it has been successful in those countries. and then come back and try to have a reasonable discussion to come up with the solution. we had the terror attack of 9/11. we had a 9/11 commission. we have other major events, commissions, studies, and all kinds of analysis that goes into trying to find a solution. and in this one we pretend like we are so upset. let's pray for those people. we say that over and over and over. i wonder how many people actually say a single prayer.
and two or three days, that's over. let's move on. we have done nothing. >> tom the, it's interesting that you bring this up. because yesterday house minority leader nancy pelosi said, wrote a letter to john boehner and said, will you form this group of members of the, congressmen and women to come up with ideas, bring them to the floor within 60 days and let's have a bipartisan debate and inquiry. similar to what we saw in the wake of benghazi. are you hopeful on something like that? >> well, i'll believe it when i see it, frankly. we have talked about it. we have had these suggestions. but we don't go and do it. there is misinformation out there about what these countries have done the. australia, when they had the massacre in 1996, the individual with a sawed off rifle killed 34
people. the law that was passed following that was in the same year in australia. it didn't ban owning shotguns or several other that were listed. it said you can have one. the government wants you to register it. we want to know who has these and what qualifications you have. in our country, when that has been suggested in the past, we hear expressions such as we don't want the jack booted thugs in the government coming to take our guns away. we don't want the president taking our guns away. the terminology jack booted thugs is what the nazis were called, the storm troopers. to say that will be the equivalent of nazis coming after you taking away your guns, that's the hind of hyperbole we
hear when we are going to have anything discussion. it's just saying, you know, when you buy something that powerful, maybe the government ought to know. >> tom fuentes, thank you very much. we will see if this is the turning point as the senator said today on cnn. he believes it just might be where the two sides can come together and agree on something. thank you very much. >> thank you, poppy. the oregon shooting has expectedly made its way into the conversation on the campaign trail. tonight donald trump said he has a plan to keep schoolchildren safe. listen. >> by the way, it was a gun-free zone. i will tell you if you had a couple of the teachers or somebody with guns in that room, you would have been a hell of a lot better off. >> we have heard that before, after the sandy hook mass shooting back in 2012.
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in tonight's american opportunity, the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow. it has become a big issue in the race for the white house. mayor bill de blasio has a 14-point plan. increasing taxes on the wealthy. we took a subway ride with him and the former labor secretary and economist robert rice. it took 25 minutes to get from the wealthy part of new york to the poor of congressional districts in the country. >> you wanted to bring me here.
why? >> this is an example of the neighborhood, melrose and the bronx, that is really suffering. >> mayor de blasio wanted to take us on the 2 train to the south bronx to show us one of the affordable housing projects his administration has been promoting. >> we went from a neighborhood where the median household income was $179,000 to here in the bronx, $21,000 for a family, below the poverty level is the median income here. >> in 25 minutes. >> correct. to go from one place to another. the tale of two cities. >> to those who say that is too perfect, socialism not perfect. what do you say to them? >> there is no contradiction
between a free enterprise system and creating fair regulation and making some of the adjustments we need to people can participate. we don't say there shouldn't be public education. i think we need to create affordable housing. >> where is that right balance? you don't want a society where everyone has the same. >> i don't think it is conceivable to have such a society with human beings involved. i want opportunity for all. i want a society where no one is left out economically and otherwise. >> a 20-year-old john is homeless and has been living in a shelter since he was 17 years old. >> how can you help us? we struggle all the time. >> homelessness in this city has risen under your administration from 50,000, 57 people right
now. why? >> because of the same tale of two cities i talked about. the weight of the economic crisis the last few years has been felt more and more. what we found in the city is while people were becoming economically less stable losing their jobs or jobs that didn't pay much more than minimum wage, the cost of housing kept going on. so basic economics stopped working. >> so you need to be more aggressive on homelessness issues? >> last fiscal year we loved 38,000 people out of shelter and into permanent housing. 15,000 were based on new initiatives just in the last year we created. it's pure economics. it helps stop homelessness. jobs that pay a better wage. it is related to the a bigger economic crisis. >> a 14-point plan includes raising the minimum wage to $15
and increasing taxes on the wealthy. >> as an economist, how much is affordable safe housing and elevating people from the bottom up? >> a huge factor. because increasing percentages of paychecks are going to housing. one of the largest portions of paychecks in history. one of the most difficult trends in america right now is income segregation. it is not just racial segregation. it is income segregation. as we are segregating by income we are creating different societies that have almost nothing to do with one another. >> the whole notion is to reward work not wealth. >> let's talk about fast food workers. their fight to make at least $15 an hour. >> $15 is fair and reasonable. it's what we need. otherwise, we are all paying in our taxes a great deal of money to keep people out of port who
have full-time work. >> i read half of new yorkers are a lot or near the poverty line right now. i can't put myself in those shoes. i don't know what it is like to live in that. i never have. but i know what's worse is if you lose that job. >> is there a danger in raising minimum wage? there is there is a danger in not raising it. folks are so hand-to-mouth. >> the head of goldman sachs said in an interview that income in equality is destabilizing the united states of america. >> he said we have done a better job in this society creating wealth than districting it. then he went on to say. >> the wealthier people and not write checks to people but rather invest in education,
housing, those benefits will go to the neediest elements of society. >> is he right about that? >> if we don't figure out a way to use wealth, we can't create opportunity. that is true. but at the same time it is the american ideal. if people work, they work hard and work multiple jobs and can't get ahead. >> you say you should be writing checks to them? >> not writing checks. give them the wages and benefits they deserve. >> this is the first recovery in which median household in the united states is doing worse now than at the start of the recovery. so it's not a recovery for most people. that propels a political change. people are angry. >> an op ed called restoring the
middleclass. it argued fairness is important. it went on to argue that technological advancement has changed the economy completely. what do you say to those who argue this does not include with what you deal with technology that we didn't have 10, 20 years ago. >> i would not say technology and globalization are not part of the dynamic experience. but it is wrong to suggest we have a static economy it keeps moving. we have a lot more service and retail jobs than we used to have. we have seen the absence of government intervention has caused a plummeting. the natural response is to put the foot on the pedal and bring those back up again. as the middleclass shrinks, it is harper for the poor to move into the middleclass. there are fewer places in the middleclass. we need to have an expanding middleclass. >> what happens if we do. >> in terms of big money in
politics is unsustainable. we cannot have an economy that is good for even the rich if it's not growing. >> you're talking about a situation where people will no longer feel invested in our country and its promise if they don't see some possibility ahead. the anger is based on fact. it's based on what people actually experienced. they can feel the possibility slipping away. that's not the america they signed up for. >> the 400 families that contributed half of the money to the 2016 election telling me he wants to see a constitutional amendment to overturn citizens united. i asked him if that's two idealistic. he argued public opinion polling shows there is a growing consensus across partisan divides. he thinks it's possible. i want to know what you think. tweet me and let me know your thoughts. we will be right back.
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we thought we would end this hour with a little treat for you courtesy of the one and only ben ferguson. we set our political commentator on the loose at the texas state fair in dallas. and what we got is very interesting mix of fried foods, some games, and the race for the white house. >> we're here with big tex. it is time to talk a little politics and fried food. >> i would like a president with whiz. >> if you could sit down and have a corn bread, who would it be? >> bush. >> panko, graham crackers, deep
fried. >> you won the holy moly carrot cake roli. which has better taste, that or donald trump's hair. >> hands down carrot rake roli. we're not even going to go there. >> even donald wouldn't have anything bad to say about that. >> what are they going to say was the winner of the most creative? the smoky bacon margarita. who do you think is the most creative politician running for president this time? >> bernie. >> how come bernie? >> he speaks his mind. he's honest without offending the world. >> what would you ask hillary clinton over a smoky bacon margarita. >> i would probably text her. >> ask her about her e-mails?
>> we have done food, drinks. now it is time to play games. >> trump. >> carson. >> go for it. >> oh! is that good or bad news for carly? she's still standing. it is time to break plates at the state fair of texas and see who fairgoers want to knock out first. who do you want out of the race? >> jeb bush. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary. >> trump. >> all of them. >> i go for hillary. >> on your mark, get set, go! oh! carly. he's still standing. there we go. >> joe biden was the last man
standing, and he's not even in the race. well, we know candidates have been knocked out during the games. let's see which one of these will rise to the top. >> all right, guys. are you all ready down there? on your mark, get set, go! >> the state fair of physicals physicals. >> sometimes in politics the candidates can get a little squealy. tonight we will learn who is is going to bring home the bacon. >> we have dr. ben. she is ms. carly pigorino.
it is donald rump. come on. you know what to do. come on, pig, pig. what's going on here? >> and at the finish line, carly fiorina. what a race. >> ben ferguson in the flesh. my favorite three and a half minutes of the night. >> there you go. it's always fun to put a little politics and fried food together. my favorite was we asked one guy, what did you think about donald trump getting endorsed by the pope? he said i knew he would get that endorsement. you never know what you're going to get at the fair. i will say this. almost everyone we talked to had a serious interest in this to the race, whether republican or democrat. it was probably one of the most intense times i have seen an active people saying who they liked, who they didn't like. we had a lot of fun.
>> only you, my friend, could tie a smoky marking ria and hillary e-mail. >> that's talent right there. >> i got to go. i'm getting the wrap. thank you, my friend. this is life with lisa ling begins after the break. i'm poppy haar low. have a great saturday evening. hold the phone. because at&t and directv are now one! which means you can access your dvr at the dmv. change channels while he changes pants.
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