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wanting to run doesn't mean the vice president will run. that's all for "inside politics." "state of the union" with jake tapper starts right now. breaking point? as the nation reels from yet another mass shooting president obama asks the public to push for new gun laws. >> our thoughts and prayers are not enough. it's not enough. new details from the scene of the campus shooting in oregon. plus, putin on the attack. russia launches air strikes in syria. >> you better stay out of the way. that's the message that should be sent. >> is a u.s. russia approximately war already underway?
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senator john mccain joins us live. then senator elizabeth warren will not run for president this time. it doesn't mean she isn't watching the race. >> bernie puts up fights. >> what is her beef with biden? and the best political team on television will be here with insights from the campaign trail. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm jake tapper with breaking news out of south carolina there's a flood of catastrophic proportions under way. 140 people have already been rescued from streets overcome with rain and emergency workers are trying to free more people trapped in vehicles at this hour. officials are asking people to stay indoors as roads and highways are closed across the state. at this moment, the storm is hitting columbia, south carolina very hard. let's get to the fire chief there aubrey jenkins who joins us by phone. this looks like a dangerous situation. what are you seeing in the streets? >> caller: well, right now we're
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still seeing residue -- we actually have the residences that are being flooded. i'm the scene now where a road is closed. it's pretty hectic out here. >> are you having trouble reaching those who need help? >> caller: right now, you know, we're asking people to try to avoid the roads. we're being inundated with call calls. >> what is your message for people? you're telling them to stay inside. stay where they are? >> caller: my message to people is stay inside. if they have any questions,
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9-1-1 and we'll come and get you. >> all right, chief jenkins, we wish you the best of luck. thank you so much your time. we'll keep you updated. we're learning more details about the campus shooting in oregon this week that left nine people dead and another nine previously wounded. one relative telling the shooter designated one man in the classroom as, quote, the lucky one, hand him an event lope and told him to stand in the corner. police say his motives remain unclear. we learned the names of his victims. lucero alcaraz, quinn glenn cooper, kim saltmarsh details, lucas eibel, jason dale johnson,
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lawrencely vine, sarena moore, treven taylor anspach, rebecca ann carnes. >> president obama saying. >> this is a political choice we make to allow this to happen every few months in america. we are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction. >> joining me now is mark kelly of americans for responsible solutions whose wife, congresswoman gabrielle giffords was shot by a gunman in tucson, arizona who killed six other people. thank you for joining us, mark. i want to get to gun laws in a second. after sandy hook, president obama talked about addressing this crisis in a holistic way going after the culture, addressing mental health issues, and also, gun laws. right now the white house only
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seems focussed on give un laws. is that the right approach? >> let my say that gabby and i are saddened by the shooting at umpqua community college. we have them in our thoughts and prayers. it's sad where we have a situation it almost seems now weekly there's a mass shooting. you know, we have gun violence 15 to 20 times higher than other developed nations. and it's, you know, for one basic reason we have a lot of loopholes in the gun laws. our leaders should do something about that. the president talked about political solution to the problem. and one of the other sad issues this has become a political issue in our country and our leaders need to fix that. >> do you think there's only one way to approach this through gun laws and the mental health component or the cultural components are not as important? >> no, i think it's all
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important. one thing is really clear. we sell 40% of our guns without a background check. it means felons, people who are dangerously mentally ill have easy access to guns. mental health is certainly an issue, too. we have laws that make it easy for domestic abusers and stalkers to get their hands on guns. and, you know, there's one pretty basic and simple solution is that members of congress and people in, you know, like the leaders and state legislatures around the country can certainly do something about it. there's a lot happening in the states but, you know, we need to call on washington, d.c., members of the house and senate to take action on the issue. >> the gunman's father ian mercer spoke about the tragedy on saturday. >> every time something like this happens, they talk about it and nothing is done. i'm not trying to say that he's not to blame for what happened but he should not been able to
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get ahold of 13 guns it wouldn't have happened. >> this is an important issue to you, personally, your wife was seriously injured in one of these horrific mass shootings. how much as something of a victim like this, how much do you blame the parents for letting a child spiral out of control like this. do they bear any responsibility? >> well, we see time and time again especially with mooass shootings there's a component of mental illness, you know, with the shooter. we see it in tucson, sandy hook, and aurora, and now in roseburg, and, you know, i think people who are around an individual with mental illness do have some responsibility. that does include the parents. you know, the fbi has a profile on individuals like it. you can see what are the symptoms of somebody with mental illness, and, you know, folk need to take action and get people, first, you know, evaluated for mental illness and
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then if there's a serious problem get them adjudicated mentally ill. more important than that, we have to close the loopholes that are easy for mentally ill, felons, and domestic abusers to get firearms. >> what gun laws can you point that specifically would have prevented the shooting in rosebu roseburg, oregon, or any of the horrific shooting events we've seen in the last five years or so? >> you know, with individual events, i mean, sometimes there isn't a specific law that you can point to that would prevent a tragedy like this from happening. but with the combination of some really common sense things that most americans support, you know, stuff like let's require a background check before anybody gets a gun. let's try to get people identified as mentally ill if they are dangerously mentally ill. then let's get that information to the national criminal background check system which is managed by the fbi.
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so, you know, often in the case of mass shootings, if there were a couple of components. if we did things better, some of these, not all of them, but some of the tragedies can be prevented. >> i want to ask you about gun-free zones, because oregon is a state where people can carry concealed weapons on them but the school itself umpqua community college was a gun-free zone. what is the purpose of putting up a sign that says gun-free zones? it seem, to a lot of people, it might attract bad guys >>well, i mean, there have been studies that have shown, first of all, mass shootings, there's been less than 15% happened in a gun-free zone. there's no indication from other -- from another study that any shooter intentionally went to a gun-free zone. you often see that as, you know, some folks will say that's why somebody went to a gun-free zone. there's no evidence of that. and, you know, i think that the idea is where there are more guns people are less safe.
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i mean, if you have a gun in any kind of situation where things start to get heated, i mean, there's a higher likelihood that somebody is going to get shot. and i think when we see in states where the gun laws are the strongest, there are less deaths from gun violence. that's certainly clear. >> all right. mark kelly, thank you so much. please send our best to gabrielle giffords. you're welcome. coming up what is putin up to in syria? it's not what you think says my next guest senator john mccain joining me after the quick break.
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leaving you free to focus on what matters most. welcome back to "state of the union." russia is promising to intensify air strikes in syria. that began this week. the russian defense ministry claim that the targets are isis strongholds. u.s. officials are suspicious of putin's motives given his earlier air strikes this week hit force os posed to his allies, syrian president assad. but not targets that were isis. the pentagon learned of the russian air strikes an hour before they were launched. >> that approach is tantamount as i said then to pouring
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gasoline on the fire. joining me now is senator john mccain thank you for joining us. i want to get to syria in a moment i want to start with afghanistan. we learned yesterday that united states air strike badly damaged a hospital run by doctors without borders in the afghan city of kunduz killing 19 members of the staff and patients and injuring 37. you know, high commissioner for human rights say it might be criminal. we're waiting for the details to come in. you're a former navy pilot. you have insight into this that many of us don't. how can something like this happen? >> well, we call it part of war, unfortunately. it's a tragedy and our thoughts and prayers go out to them. it's a wonderful organization, as you know, the doctors without borders. if we had had a air controller, very most likely would not have happened. and this is also a result of our
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withdraw. by the way, surprising this taliban attack in kunduz, because it's in the northern part of the country where the taliban have never been as strong as they have been in other parts of the country. so it's an element of surprise. they needed to have air controllers there and it's one of the reasons why we hate wars, jake. >> all right, let's move on to syria. president obama saying on friday his administration is not going to make syria into a approximately war with russia. take a listen. >> we're not going to make syria into a approximately war between the united states and russia. that would be bad strategy on our part. this is not some, you know, super power chest board contest. >> my question to you, senator, is this conflict in syria already a approximately war with russia? >> of course it is. and when the president says we're not going have that
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strategy. we don't have a strategy, excuse me. we don't have a strategy. jake, you had to recall the events that took place over the weekend when the president, when john kerry when we were watching this military build up including any aircraft missile batteries and fighter aircraft. isis doesn't have fire aircraft and so that was kind of interesting. more importantly, john kerry called lavrov three times to find out what is going on. the president met for 90 minutes with putin, then 48 hours later a russian general shows up at our embassy in baghdad to give us an hour warning that strikes are commencing. it's treating the united states with disdain and contempt. of course, they are hitting the free syrian army enclaves in places which had some success. this is the cia-run operations, and they want to take them out.
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with vladmir putin and assad want to do is provide us with the choice between isis and bashar assad, and in order to take do that, you take out the free syrian army, which in the case the dod is now down to four or five. approximately $9 million each. >> hillary clinton called for a no-fly zone for syria. president obama was asked about that and he said there's a difference between running for president and being president. who do you side with this on this idea of a no-fly zone? >> well, obviously secretary clinton, but more important general david petraeus testified not too many days ago where he laid out his strategy of what we need to do, which many of us have been calling for for a long time. stop the barrel bombing, establish a no-fly zone, arm the
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kurds, get foreign air kro controllers and build up the free syrian army again. it's not too late. this flood of refugees is a direct result of our failed policy. it was a year ago the president said our goal was to destroy isis. we've made no progress there, and of course, we now see vladmir putin inserting himself into the middle east in a way that russia has not been since the russians were thrown out in 1973. he's maintaining his base and dictating the pace of events in syria, which, of course, is an abdication of american leadership. >> senator, with the exception of lindsey graham, who you endorsed and maybe to a degree rick santorum, none of the other republican presidential candidates are calling for such aggressive recommends as you are. in fact, listen to what your
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party's frontrunner, donald trump, told cnn in terms of letting russia fight isis in syria. take a listen. >> let syria and isis fight. why do we care? let isis and syria fight. and let russia, they're in syria already, let them fight isis. let russia take care of isis. how many places can we be? >> that's your party's frontrunner, sir. what do you say? >> well, i guess the question is, is do we want to keep slaughtering people in syria and that are fighting for freedom? do we want to continue the barrel bombing, which is one of the reasons why 240,000 syrians have been murdered. do we want the flood of refugees to continue. >> what do you think of donald trump's position? why do you think your party -- >> i just don't think -- one, i
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don't think he understands very well the situation and he's entitled to his opinion. as far as other members of my party are concerned, that all i can say is that i know the realities. i've been there for years. we have said what needed to be done and predicted what was going to happen. if there is -- a variety of ways such as recommended by david petraeus and many other experts, then we'll face further c consequenc consequences. >> i want to ask you about the tone and tenor of the race on the republican side. a couple of weeks ago, donald trump was at town hall when somebody said that the problem in the united states is muslims. he didn't say anything to correct the individual who also said president obama was a muslim, which is obviously not true. you took a very different position in 2008 when somebody said something. you corrected the woman in question. you called then senator obama a
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decent family man and a citizens that you just happened to disagree with on policy. what is your impression of what is going on in the campaign trail when you hear your party either react or not reacting when such language is used? >> i think we are hurting ourselves and our chances to win the general election. if we disparage each other and impugn character of each other, then after the primary is over then obviously there's a trust and support deficit among the american people. and not utopian, jake. i've believed a fight not joined is a fight not enjoyed. i wish we would think about ronald reagan and the way he conducted his campaigns. we can fight like blazes with each other where we disagree, but to impugn each other's characters and integrity is very harmful to each other, ourselves, and our chances of
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winning a general election. >> do leaders have a responsibility to condemn bigotry when they hear it? >> oh, yes, i believe so. >> why do you think people in your party are not doing that? >> i'm not sure, but i think there's a lot of people in the party that are not happy about the tenor of some of the remarks and allegations about each other. and again, i sense a great dissatisfaction with washington here in arizona. but i also hear a lot of dissatisfaction about, one, the issues that are being discussed, which are not particularly relevant, and, two, the personal attacks that are being made. i'm afraid we'll pay a price for it at the polls. i hope we'll change. >> senator john mccain, thank you so much for your time. i appreciate it so much, sir. coming up democratic darling senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts weighing in on the
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welcome back. this week bernie sanders showed his anti-big money campaign is bringing in big money. he raised $26 million in the third quarter, just $2 million less than hillary clinton. most from small donors. small financial numbers lead to big endorsements. the one many democrats waiting for is senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. the financial reform advocate who has become the leading voice, perhaps of the progressive left. she hasn't given the nod to anyone yet. we tried to see where her loyalties lie. at the washington ideas forum.
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>> you were one of many female democratic senators to sign a letter a few years ago urging the secretary clinton to run. should it be seen as an endorsement? >> no. she's running along with other people. they're getting their ideas out there and i think that's what should happen during this part of the season. >> you wanted her to run. >>well, i want everyone who wants to run for president to get out there, put their ideas out there, talk about their ideas with the american people. that's how it should be. that's how democracy is supposed to work. >> i think that you and bernie sanders align fairly closely on all the major issues. when you decide how -- when you decide who to endorse, is it just going to be about who you agree with the most? are you taking other things into consideration such as who has a better chance of being the nominee or winning in november?
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>> at this moment, because i don't know because i'm not there. what i know is that people are out talking about the ideas. i think that's the right thing to do. i think we should be talking about the role that the major financial institutions play. not just in this economy, but play in a political sphere. >> do you disagree with the idea that you and bernie sanders seem to be more closely aligned on are with more issues with other democrats. >> ask this six different ways? that's kind of my job >>well, and kind of my job is to get out there and to keep pushing these issues. '01 i would say this. bernie gets out and fights for what he believes in. he fights from the heart on these issues. and he's done an enormous service like pushing them forward to the agenda. i think that secretary clinton
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has also been pushing forward issues into the agenda that are important. >> what do you make of the fact that two of the leading republican presidential candidates donald trump and jeb bush are now both endorsing closing the loophole when it comes to hedge fund management? >> it means that even when your ears are stuffed with money you get a little sound that comes through. and that's what's happening here! it's like, hello! billions should not be paying taxes at a lower rate than te h teachers and firefighters, and that has even seeped through to a few of the rich guys on the other side. stunner. >> obviously your position in supporting planned parenthood is well established.
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the reason that planned parenthood proportly was in front of the congressional hearing because of the video tapes of officials saying and doing things th things. is there nothing on the video tapes that bothers you at all? >> let's remember what we were debating on the floor of the united states senate. that was defunding planned parenthood. 2.7 million people get their health care from planned parenthood every year. one in every five women in america sometime in her life will get her health care from planned parenthood. planned parenthood, what does it mostly do? 97% of what they do is cancer screenings, screenings for stds, about birth control. planned parenthood is more than half of all the the planned parenthood clinics are places where there's limited access to health care.
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so this, for many people, is their only health care provider. sometimes their principle health care providers. and the republicans say the first issue that we've got to discuss and the number one thing, everything else can go forward on the budget or not go forward or we can cut everything else. the first thing we have to do is defund planned parenthood. that means defunding health care for women. and make no mistake, what this is really about is about women's access to abortion. and even though not one federal dollar goes to pay for abortions through planned parenthood, the republicans want to find one more way to make it harder, to make it impossible for a women who is facing one of the most difficult decisions of her life, they want to find a way to make it harder on her to get the health care she needs. all we can say is we've, been
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that world before. when i talk about 1955 i'm talking about where women died. where women committed suicide rather than go forward with a pregnancy they could not handle. what the republicans are saying is they want to go back and i want to make it not going back. not now. not ever. [ applause ] >> it's tootd too bad they're not doing a straw poll here. >> we are doing the saw poll. it's called the 2016 elections, and the republicans want to run on shutting down women's access to cancer screenings and shutting down women's access to birth control, and shutting down women's access to not
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government-paid for abortions then they're going to have a real fight on their hands. let them do it. [ applause ] >> you've been a long time advocate for financial reform, and in the past you have -- there have been words between then senator joe biden. you have disagreed very sharply -- >> yes, we have. you bet. yeah. it was over bankruptcy laws that the credit card companies wanted to just tighten those bankruptcy laws so they could squeeze more profits out of working families. senator biden was on one side in that fight and i was on the other. you better believe i didn't hold back. >> are you still on opposite sides on that issue? >> on that movement. >> there's a move in congress to replace the director for the consumer protection bureau with a five-person bipartisan panel. some of the democrats in the house that expressed support say
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it will be a protection for if a republican is in the white house. >> not just some of the democrats say that. that's what the president of the american bankers association said yesterday. he's so worried about this consumer agency that has forced the largest financial institutions in this country to return more than $10 billion to families they cheated. he's so worried about keeping that agency up and strong that he wants to make sure there is a five-person commission like there is over the fcc because that's going to keep the cfpv strong. >> you don't buy it. >> do i look dumb? >> the answer, of course, no. when we come back, what did jeb bush say that had both donald trump and president obama criticizing him? we'll tell you after the break.
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the race to replace house speaker john boehner is on. we have a new entrance this morning. congressman jason cha viz of utah will challenge the lead contender for the job, congressman kevin mccarthy. jason spoke to fox news this week -- mccarthy spoke to fox news this week and seemed to take credit bringing down hillary clinton's poem number p through the benghazi committee. >> we put together a ben gaz zee special committee. what are her numbers today? they're dropping baug she's untrustable. >> when i hear a statement like that which demonstrates this was always meant to be a partisan political exercise, i feel like it does a great disservice and
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dishonors just the memory before that we lost, but of everybody who has served our country. >> hillary clinton, of course, pouncing on that unkind contribution from kevin mccarthy. let's get into it with our panel. dan pfeiffer, congresswoman marcia blackburn. congresswoman, i know you're supporting kevin mccarthy. jas jason chaffetz a race? >> jason will be in there, one or two may step in to get their names in the race. i wouldn't be surprised by that. i think mccarthy has the votes for it. he did speak inartfully this week. there's no doubt it's something that hurt him. i'm sure he wishes he can take it back and reposition and i think he was trying to say what we've heard haley basher say
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over and over. you focus on good policy it's going to make good politics. but that is not the way it came out i think we could go back and reposition that. because ben gghazi has a seriou job to do. >> i'm a journalist who takes seriously the e-mail story and the benghazi story and i have to say it gives ammo to hillary clinton's side to push back on everything. >> it's the first good news hillary has had in a long time. there are two kind of gaffes. gaffes are people say something, they misspeak, i think potentially jeb bush the other day. then there's a time where you go out and just say the absolutely wrong thing that is true. and what i would say for kevin mccarthy is you're the spokesperson for the party and the political strategies. he indicated he's good at neither. >> a tough day for him.
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>> i don't think this is going to be the smoking gun that reignites hillary -- i think most average voters aren't following this political horse race the way we are. but what people focus on when we talk about the speaker and the job of a speaker, people focus on the division in the house between the leadership and the freedom caucus. they forget there's a lot of other factions in the republican party that the speaker has to unit. and kevin mccarthy, i think, is uniquely positioned to do that. i love jason, i think he's great. i think mccarthy will have the votes. i think he's better positioned to unite all those factions within the house. >> you have endorsed hillary clinton. kevin mccarthy gave you a good talking point. >> it wasn't the first time he said it. i think he said it to you -- >> not as stark but something -- >> i don't think was inartful. i think he accidentally told the truth. we've been saying for a long period of time this is nothing but a witch hunt. getting back to jason, he's not
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coming off a good performance in front of planned parenthood. i think he got owned and most of america think he got owned. it's an interesting time period for you guys in your caucus. >> i agree. well, i'm glad the american people are watching. the american people know hillary clinton can blame no one but herself when it comes to who maid the mist-- made the mistak with the server, who made the mistakes with benghazi. i represent a major military post. i don't go on the post that i'm not hearing from men and women in uniform they want to know who gave the stand down order, who gave the stay behind order, who put these lives in danger. so that committee has a serious job to do. >> we only have a few more minutes. i want to turn from this to the oregon shooting and comments made by jeb bush you were referring to. jeb bush he gave a long answer,
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but among the many, many words in his long answer was this -- >> it's very sad to see, but i resist the notion -- and i had this challenge has governor, because, look, stuff happens. there's always a crisis. the impulse is to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do. >> stuff happens. obviously there was more than that. even donald trump is jumping on this. >> in no way, shape, or reform is jeb bush's response to the oregon shooting is stuff happens. that's not what he said. that's not what he meant, and i think it's journalistic malfeasance to represent it, the newspapers that represented that single headline is unacceptable. jeb bush is often inartful. he often doesn't say the thing he probably should say. whether he's using the word retarded correctly or, you know,
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giving a long answer, these are the opportunities that the media really shows a bias because he was not wrong when he said what he said. could he have said it a little better? sure. to imply that jeb bush somehow does not care about what happened in oregon this week is absolutely unacceptable. >> i agree. that's why i said there was a lot, but, you know, welcome to the nfl. this is what happens. >> yeah. >> often people say stupid things in the context of the 20 minute speech. if it's the one sentence. >> jeb bush is very bad at running for president. very bad. >> he says the wrong thing all the time. i don't think he was being callous but there's a little bit -- the republicans had an entire day at their convention in 2012 basically saying you didn't build that.
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i think it's not that he said stuff happens. he went on and said well, you know, if a kid almost drowns we don't put up a new pool fencing law. that's what he did as governor. governor response is okay for dealing with pools but not guns. >> thank you. great stuff. catastrophic flash flooding is hitting south carolina and rescues under way there as the water rises. we'll take you there live after the break. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much.
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welcome back. hundreds are being rescued from flooded streets. three are being killed from the
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storm. nick, what's the latest? >> reporter: the rain has just been relentless. the rain picks back up and starts again. we're talking about record breaking rain totals. somewhere in the area of 20 inches in some parts of the state. you can tell why just by looking behind me. the flash flood warning still in effect. some people are trying to avoid that fp they're trying to drive their cars through it. the governor is telling people to shelter in place, stay inside. you mentioned 30,000 people without power. there's also a couple dozen here in charleston that's had to get rescued by the fire department. i was talking to ems services yesterday, they said they had to evacuate those on the water front area. it could be more of the same throughout the day. high tide expected to happen at 2:00 p.m. this what we're standing in now
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could be the issue for more of charleston in the hours ahead. jake. >> all right. thanks so much. after the break, would you move to mars? the politics of outer space. why pause a spontaneous moment to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex.
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it's been a big week for mars. the martian debuted just as nasa announced they found water on the red planet and silicon valley inventer unveiled a plan to make mars liver. is living on mars a dream or a
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goal? mars is in the air with news from water was discovered there. will we ever get there? get to mars? in 2004 president bush pitched a renewed space program that could bring americans back to the moon by 2020. >> with the experience and knowledge gained on the moon we'll be ready to take next steps of space exploration. human missions to mars and to worlds beyond. >> reporter: something has happened since then when newt gingrich said he wanted a priority on. >> getting to mars as rapidly as possible. >> reporter: he was mocked and few in politics talked that way about mars today. what if we looked at mars the way j.f.k. once looked at the moon. >> some say the moon, why choose
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this as our goal and they may well ask why climb the highest mountain. why 35 years ago fly the atlantic. >> reporter: why indeed. what would we find if president obama renewed call to visit mars. what would be there? hello obama, want a latte. >> liftoff, we have a liftoff. >> thanks for spending your sunday with us. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all you have in the united states and around the world. we have a terrific show for you today starting with an important interview with benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel. on syria and russia and vladmir putin. >> we don't want an adversarial relation

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