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situation room." thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. thousand year flood, historic and catastrophic flooding in south carolina. 24 inches of rain have fallen on parts of the state. nine people are dead. hundreds have been rescued. and now a dam breach is bringing new dangers. putin's gamble. even as its war planes strike from the air, russia's now moved troops and heavy weapons on to the battlefield in syria. will they be used for a ground attack against the few allies the u.s. has left in syria? and special operations, an exclusive interview with the commander of america's most elite troops. how they could have been involved in the mistaken u.s. strike on a hospital in afghanistan, which a prestigious aid group is calling a war crime. i'm wolf blitzer.
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you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. let's get to the breaking news. the death toll is now up to nine in south carolina, facing its worst flooding in its history. what officials call a thousand-year storm has dumped up to two feet of rain in parts of the state. the flooding could continue for many days. and fears of a new dam breach are leading to a mandatory evacuation. emergency crews have carried out hundreds of water rescues. and there have been dozens of helicopter rescues. hundreds of roads are closed. tens of thousands of people are without power and water. officials are warning that the danger is far from over. i'll speak this hour with republican presidential candidate senator lindsey graham of south carolina, and our correspondents, analysts and guests will have full coverage of the day's top stories. let's begin with the catastrophic flooding and cnn's boris sanchez who's in manning,
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south carolina. what's the latest, boris? >> reporter: wolf, we've been tracking the developments on that dam breach you mentioned just a few moments ago. it is the overcreek dam, and it is in columbia, just one of at least nine dams that have breached over the past few days because of these flood waters. we're being told residents are being evacuated to a nearby high school. and officials are keeping an eye on it. that columbia is about 52 miles west of where we are now. this is the town of manning, south carolina. it's a relatively small town, but as i get out of the way you can see it has been pounded by these flood waters. behind me is highway 301. and you can't see how far the water goes here, at least a mile of flooding here. it is surrounded by businesses. we have a convenience store, a church, several restaurants nearby. one of them was helping to feed the national guard. but most of these businesses are flooded, dozens of cars are submerged, and tonight the town of manning is blacked out. there's no power here.
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and officials aren't sure when this water is going to go away. emergency search and rescue operations in rain-ravaged south carolina. more than 200 rescues and counting. heroic scenes playing out one after the other after an historic storm. the coast guard air lifting a mother and her 15-month-old child from their flooded home. in columbia, good samaritans forming a human chain to save the stranded from chest-high water. >> he just made a mistake. there he goes. >> reporter: this truck driver mistakenly thought he could traverse a flooded road. >> trying to kick out the back window of the truck. >> reporter: a rescue team eventually pulling him to safety. another man was found clinging to a tree after driving through a road barricade. >> this guy could have lost his life. luckily we were able to get manpower down here. >> reporter: roads and bridges throughout the state remain damaged and unpassable.
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about 550 roads are closed. >> this is dangerous. this is very real. >> reporter: governor nicki haley urging residents safe in their homes to stay put. >> we don't want to have to come out and rescue. much worse, we don't want to have you added to this number of fatalities. >> reporter: 40,000 residents without water. more than 26,000 have no power. the red cross has opened about 25 shelters to take in victims. >> what i got on my body is what we have. pretty much everybody down there hill there has lost everything this morning. our vehicles, our clothes, everything. >> what we continue to go through is unlike anything any of us has ever seen. >> we know that this challenge is not over. and the danger to life and property does not end when the rain stops. >> reporter: wolf, to give you an idea of how residents are feeling here, people keep coming up to us asking how we got here because so many roads are closed. a lot of people feeling like they're on an island.
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several other residents are not heeding the governor and other officials warning to stay out of this water. just about an hour ago there were people walking around in it and also kayaking in it. not a good idea to be out in this water. it's frankly filthy and full of dangers. so it's best to stay home if you can. >> boris sanchez in manning, south carolina. what an awful story unfolding over there. boris, thanks very much. cnn is live inside a u.s. national guard helicopter flying over the flood damage in columbia, south carolina. these are live pictures coming in from this blackhawk helicopter. it's heading to one of the areas where there's been a dam breach. we're going to continue showing you these live pictures. this is coming in from this u.s. national guard blackhawk helicopter. representative beth burnstein of the south carolina legislature lives right near that breached dam and was forced to evacuate. she's joining us now on the phone. representative bernstein, tell us what it was like. i see you were personally
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affected by this historic flooding. >> yes, wolf. i have been affected by this personally. as we were actually in clean up mode. yesterday i felt like we -- i was just telling a friend that i felt like i was on a houseboat in the middle of a river flooding on the back lake side and front from the overflow of the lake surrounding us. my home is -- i live on forest lake but the overcreek dam which we're referring to here locally at the overcreek spillway, was compromised. and that lake feeds into my lake. and we were forced to evacuate less than an hour ago. >> by all accounts, representative, this is the worst flooding your state has ever seen. is that a fair assessment? >> it is a more than fair assessment. this is destructive. it is something that i've never seen. i have lived in this area my
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entire life. and it has been a tragedy. we have been forced to evacuate. there's been lots of flooding, people have lost their homes. my thoughts and prayers go out to all of those who are affected and particularly those families of those who have lost their lives. >> based on what you can see, representative, does your state have the resources it needs to deal with this human tragedy? >> yes. i'm very proud of our first responders. and the governor in how we have responded to this tragedy. we have, as you can tell, through our what we've been through as a state in the last several months we have come together. and we rise to the occasion. we really do. and the first responders have been terrific. >> beth bernstein is south carolina house of representatives official. beth bernstein, thanks very much. good luck to you. >> thank you, wolf. >> the flooding is likely to continue long after the rain stops. let's go to our meteorologist
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tom sater at the cnn weather center. what's the forecast, tom? >> it's light rain right now, wolf, which just plays more to the psyche and of course the nerves. but i want to show you the only flash flood warning now in effect is for this dam breach. it's just to the east of the capital of columbia. as we go in a little bit closer, you get an idea those who live here know what we're talking about. here's the flash flood warning. this means there is flooding that is occurring because of this breach. we're not sure what that breach exactly means. is it an overspill? is there a fracture in this dike or dam? we believe it's more of a dike. now, you're going to see here in the middle of the screen there are some rivers here. we're going to get in a little bit close -- lakes that is. rocky ford lake makes its way in towards forest lake. you can see the community surrounding this lake bed and of course eastward. we believe this road here to the south is where they're having the evacuation. we believe this is the dike or the dam that they're calling it. it looks more of a built-up roadway. again, we're not sure if the breach means an overspill, if
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there's been a shift in the pavement, make leakage from underneath in the soil. but there is flooding with this. so the river -- the lakes -- actually, the waters flow southward. so what we're going to find here is not just the homes along the lake beds, but all the communities that actually make their way toward the east. so again, quite concerning. now, the next problem is we have heard reports that there have actually been as many as 30 breaches in the last several days. again, some of these are minor. some of these are dikes, wolf, that have given way. and the water's spilling into countryside and other communities. take a look at the rivers. small tributaries, some were at historic levels the last couple days like gill creek near columbia, rising seven feet in just a matter of hours. they will fill into the larger tributaries. all of the rivers in south carolina, wolf, flow from the northwest to the east-southeast. so the same communities that were inundated and submerged are now going to find a higher river level, make their way over into the same communities.
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many of these rivers as they merge together are going to be trouble spots. we believe that the pressure from columbia toward eastover, toward cross, toward charleston could actually cause more in the way of levees breaking, dams giving way. so again, it could be a concern not just for more evacuations, possibly more water rescues, but if you look at the state and all of the roads and bridges that are closed, we may be looking now at a billion-dollar disaster once the waters recede and we'll start then to find out what damage has been left in its wake. >> did you say a billion dollars, tom? you said a billion dollars, right? >> i'm sorry, wolf. i just lost you there. we believe this is easily going to be a billion-dollar disaster, one of several we've had in the u.s. think about this. residents not just for weeks but for months are going to have to reroute their way to work, to school and back because of the roads that have given way, the bridges that are washed out and the sinkholes that are in place. >> thanks very much tom sater with the latest forecast.
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an awful forecast it is. let's bring in senator lindsey graham from south carolina. senator, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> a billion dollars this is going to cost you guys in south carolina. >> well, we're going to need your help and everybody else's help. it's probably going to be more than that. a lot of folks don't have flood insurance. there's a bridge between charleston and georgetown that i very much worry about. if that bridge goes, and you really cut those people off from traveling. so this is -- the worst is yet to come i'm afraid. >> that's a lot of money. so you want federal aid to help your state. >> yeah, i was just on the phone with the vice president. and he called, you know, we're all working as a team. i think we really don't know yet. now is the time -- the next couple days there's more water coming down our state. these people, the communities you see, there's more water coming from the upstate. so rather than put a price tag on it, let's just get through this thing and whatever it costs, it costs. >> the -- your critics are already saying you want federal funding to help the people of
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south carolina, but correct me if i'm wrong you voted against that federal funding package for the folks of new jersey during hurricane sandy. >> oh, i'm all for helping the people in new jersey. i don't really remember me voting that way. >> it was a big relief package apparently you and a lot of other southern senators and representatives voted against. >> well, any way, i don't really recall that. but i'd be glad to look and tell you why i did vote no if i did. pretty kindhearted fellow. folks in south carolina -- chuck schumer calls and we try to be there for other friends and neighbors. so hope they'll be there for us. >> we did check and you did vote against that. >> i might have. look at it and tell you why. >> yeah. have you ever seen -- you're from south carolina. you've lived there your whole life. have you ever seen anything like this before? >> no. really i cannot describe it to you. it is just like a river rain has come over south carolina. and i've never seen anything like it. my sister lives in the columbia area. it took us two days -- >> is she out? >> yeah, she's fine. took two days to get home. but these dams breaching and the
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bridges being washed out it would be terrible. >> what did they say? this is just a fluke? is this global warming? >> i think it's a fluke. i'm not a meteorologist. i believe that climate change is real. i think co2 emissions are heating up the planet. but this is not about global warming. this is a coming together of unique events that funneled a river water over south carolina for two days. 24 inches in the charleston area -- 22 inches where i was staying. there were alligators in the parking lot. it was unbelievable. i cannot describe it to you. and our governor, everybody's doing great. vice president's called me. we'll do what we need to help south carolina. >> we're showing our viewers, senator, these live pictures. they must be very painful to you. these are pictures from this u.s. national guard blackhawk helicopter flying over columbia, south carolina. that's the capital. we also have these live pictures look at manning, south carolina. i'm sure you're familiar with manning as well. these are awful -- these are just two pictures coming in.
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we're talking with republican senator lindsey graham. he's a presidential candidate. we'll get back to him in a moment. but first as its warplanes carry out strikes from the sky, russia has apparently been moving troops and weapons into syria for a possible ground attack.
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it may have little to do with isis, a lot to do with protecting the syrian regime of president bashar al assad. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. she has the very latest information. what are you learning, barbara? >> wolf, several u.s. officials now are telling me that observations have been made by u.s. intelligence that russian artillery and rocket systems, heavy weapons essentially are on the move in western syria. let's go to the map let me show everybody where this is taking place. everything landed at an air base called latakia near the coast. all of this is on the move in two places. it's going on these corridors homs, the city of homs, and then north to the city of idlib. all of this is an area where anti-regime forces are very strong. the assad regime fighting them. the thinking at the moment is that the russians are on the move here putting this equipment out in these areas in these corridors so they will be ready
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to support assad's forces in ground combat. the russians not ready yet. not enough equipment to do something on their own on the ground, but putting themselves in place to support assad. this equipment is not in any area where isis is located. the group that the russians continue to insist they are fighting. wolf. >> barbara, thank you. let's get back to the republican presidential candidate senator lindsey graham of south carolina. he's a member of the armed services committee. what's the russian strategy here? >> well, one, they're lying about what they're trying to do. their strategy is to presooerve assad's regime. they're doing sort of what i wanted us to do. they're getting a regional force of syrians, iranians and russians and they're going after the opposition of assad, not is isil. they're going to destroy what's left of the free syrian army and make sure their guy assad stays in power and will be a nightmare for us. >> lebanese hezbollah forces are involved as well.
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>> yes. shiites and russians. shiites and russian. syrian alawite army. >> which is a branch. >> yeah. and you've got hezbollah. so you've got a ground force. now an air force. >> what do you want the u.s. to do about it? >> well, i wanted to get a ground force of regional like saudi arabia, egypt, turkey, jordan. >> we had four years to do that. hasn't exactly happened. >> no, but that's what i suggested we go on the ground. you're not going to destroy isil from the air and they're not going to destroy the free syrian army from the air. so this is an attempt by russia to destroy everything we've worked for, to destroy all the people who rose up against assad demanding their freedom. this is an attempt by russia to put a brutal dictator in power to their advantage at our expen expense. and we're sitting on the sidelines not doing a thing about it. >> when the president says he's ready to work with everyone including iran and russia to defeat isis, you say? >> they're not trying to defeat isis, mr. president. they're trying to prop up assad. you said two things i agree
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with. degrade, destroy isil, push assad out because if you don't the war never ends. well, the russians have said to you assad's not going. and they're putting teeth behind what they're saying and you're not. >> let's talk a little about benghazi. this house select committee's going to be having hearings october 22nd. kevin mccarthy, the republican majority leader in the house wants to be the speaker of the house. he said some pretty controversial words basically saying take a look at the creation of this select committee and look what it's done to hillary clinton's credibility. she responded to that today. listen to this on the "today" show the town hall meeting. >> look at the situation they chose to exploit, to go after me for political reasons. the death of four americans in benghazi. i knew the ambassador. i identified him. i asked him to go there. i asked the president to nominate him. there have been seven investigations led mostly by republicans in the congress and they were nonpartisan. and they reached conclusions that first of all i and nobody did anything wrong but there
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were changes we could make. this committee was set up as they have admitted for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four americans. i would have never done that. and if i were president and there were republicans or democrats who were thinking about that, i would have done everything to shut it down. i've said i made a mistake. obviously if i had to do it over again i wouldn't. it was allowed and everybody has confirmed that, but it's also as we now know very clearly the way that the republicans are trying to bring my as they admit poll numbers down. excuse me. so, you know, i'm very committed to answering questions, to being transparent as possible. i'm scheduled to testify before their committee. which we now know is nothing but a partisan exercise. >> so your reaction when you hear that kind of talk. because it looks like kevin mccarthy who might be the next house speaker basically offering her a little help in this going into this important hearing. >> offering her a lot of help.
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and she's smart to take advantage of it. her problem is she's self-righteous and indignant toward us. madame secretary, where were you at when they made five requests for additional security? how could you not know on august 15th the ambassador that you love so much was begging your head kwartders to reinforce the consulate because al qaeda flag was flying everywhere? why didn't you go on tv five days after the attack, not su san rice? and how could you let her tell the entire world this consulate was significantly substantially and strongly secured? and how could you tell the family when the bodies came back we'll get the guy who made that video? her problem is her behavior. >> senator graham, thanks very much for coming in. you're staying in this race at least for the time being. >> yes, sir. >> despite the poll numbers. >> absolutely. >> okay. senator graham, thanks very much for coming in. coming up, the man at the center of washington's latest power struggle raising the possibility of more confrontation and possible government shutdown, even default on the national
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an influential congressman who isn't ruling out the possibility of government shutdowns, the possibility of national debt default is shaking up the race to become the next speaker of the house of
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representatives. our senior political reporter manu raju here with more of the struggle going on. you had a chance to sit down with this influential lawmaker. >> i did. what he is trying to do is tap into that unrest in the house republican conference which does not believe that these -- that the current leadership team has taken the fight to the white house and to senate republicans, particularly on the issues of these big fiscal clashes that are coming down the pike in the next coming weeks. he had talked about the debt ceiling fight in particular, which we're very interested in following the next -- into november 5th when they need to raise the national debt ceiling. and he waited on other controversies as well in addition to the secret service, leaking information about his personal background. here we have some sound from our interview earlier today. you've been saying you want to take the fight to the senate. of course the senate is run by republicans. the republicans have a 54-46
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majority. senator mitch mcconnell runs the place. he has been saying all along there will be no government debt default. we're headed up to a key deadline november 5th to raise the debt ceiling. is senator mcconnell right in saying that there will be no debt default? >> i'm running for the speaker of the house of representatives. we're going to have to figure out where to hold the line. but i have no interest in just simply raising the debt ceiling without changing the trajectory of spending. the debt under president obama has gone from $9 trillion to almost $20 trillion. we can't keep doing that. we pay more than $600 million a day in interest on our national debt. it's silly for the president to say he's not even going to have this discussion. >> but should senator mcconnell be saying there will be no default? >> i think the senate majority leader is wrong. i disagree with him. i think it's wrong to signal that you're going to cave at the end. that's not what i'm interested in doing. you're not going to see me doing that. >> he said the same thing about the shutdowns. no shutdowns.
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you think he's wrong about that too. >> the shutdown decision is the president's. our role and responsibility is to put the bill on the president's desk. then he has to decide if he wants to shut down the government. >> so you obviously think mcconnell's wrong about the shutdown. >> i do. i think one of our challenges is we are not working together to put a bill on the president's desk. >> is senator mcconnell a good leader for your party? >> i have the greatest respect for senator mcconnell and look forward to working with him. >> let's talk about the speaker's race now. you've been saying for the last couple of days that kevin mccarthy has a majority of support within the conference right now. >> sure. >> thursday there's a key vote to determine who the republicans are going to nominate for speaker. so it appears kevin mccarthy will get that if he does have the majority support within the conference. at that point what will you do? are you going to actively support kevin mccarthy and push him over that 218 level on the floor? >> i'm going to make my best case in five short days to my colleagues and hope that i am
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victorious on thursday. if i'm not, whoever the nominee is i'll support the nominee. but it still doesn't change the math question. because i think there are too many of our members who will not vote for a member of our existing leadership team to simply get a promotion now that speaker boehner has stepped down. >> last week was when the secret service appeared to be trying to embarrass you by releasing certain information about you. what do you think needs to be done now? do you think there should be a criminal investigation into the perpetrators who allegedly leaked this information? >> i put the onus on the attorney general. why isn't the department of justice investigating this? he had 45 -- 45 secret service agents misusing their computers, accessing classified information of personnel records i should say in violation of federal law. i think there needs to be a criminal probe. we don't know how far, wide and pervasive it was. what other snooping did they do? did they go look at my e-mail? did they go -- what did they go
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and look for? i feel violated. and i feel like it was meant to intimidate. and quite frankly it is intimidating to have secret service diving into your background. i didn't do anything other than do my job. >> so manu, jason chaffetz, he's challenging kevin mccarthy for the speaker. that's a big challenge. by all accounts kevin mccarthy will get a majority of the republican members to support him on thursday. >> yeah. it seems that way. there's going to be a big meeting tomorrow night. house conservatives are calling for all of the candidates for speaker to address them, make their pitches to them on why they think they should be the next speaker. that's going to be a big test not just for jason chaffetz but also kevin mccarthy. because there is that pocket of conservatives very uneasy about simply elevating an existing member of the leadership team to take the top job in the house. the question for jason chaffetz will be if he does not get that majority support on thursday in
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the conference, how far does he take the fight on the house floor? he suggested he would not lead to take a big battle on the floor later this month, but if he does that could throw things into question during that big speaker election. >> could get really ugly. remember kevin mccarthy even if he gets majority of the republicans still needs 218 on the floor during that final vote. there's no guarantee he'll get that. given some of the opposition to the establishment republicans from some of the so-called renegades. >> that's right. >> manu, thanks very much. good work. coming up, his son killed nine people before turning his gun on himself. now a killer's father is calling for stricter gun laws. but do they work? also, a u.s. air strike kills nearly two dozen people including hospital patients and care givers. we're getting new information about what may have gone wrong.
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we're hearing new firsthand accounts from survivors of the mass shootings at an oregon college and also from the gunman's father and raising serious questions about the efbtiveness of gun laws. let's go to brian todd. he's been looking into this, found some answers. what have you discovered? >> wolf, the oregon gunman's father acknowledged his son had mental issues but also quick to blame american gun laws for the shootings. does he have a point? we took a look at how gun laws in the states correlate to gun-related deaths. the father of the oregon shooter tells cnn he doesn't know how his son could have built an arsenal of more than a dozen firearms.
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and says gun laws in america have to change. >> if he hadn't been able to get ahold of 13 guns it wouldn't have happened. >> reporter: just hours after the shooting president obama angrily pushed back. >> we know that states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths. >> reporter: is the president correct? >> we showed that states with the most firearm laws are those states that have the lowest fatalities from firearms. whereas states that have the least amount of regulation are the states that tend to have the highest fatality rates. >> reporter: dr. flegler of harvard medical school -- state gun control laws between 2007 and 2010. they looked at the number of gun deaths in each state per 100,000 people. they found that states with the fewest gun laws on the left of this chart like louisiana and alaska, had the most gun deaths. high up on the left. over 17 deaths per 100,000 people. they found states with the most gun laws on the right of this
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chart, like massachusetts and hawaii, had the fewest gun deaths. around three per 100,000 people. he got the number of deaths from the cdc. and he got the evaluation of the state gun laws from the brady center to prevent gun violence. but this study just shows a correlation. it doesn't address whether more gun control laws directly led to fewer deaths. and there are other factors which some experts say are not accounted for in flegler's study. >> there are cultural factors. what is the drug situation look like? what is the gang situation look like? there are many factors that differ from one state to another. >> reporter: and in some states suicides make a huge difference. suicides account for most of the gun-related deaths in alaska, according to flegler. but even when you exclude suicides from the statistics, states with the most gun control laws still tended to have fewer deaths. >> when we look at homicides alone, there is still a 40% reduction in fatalities from firearms. >> now, what about overall gun
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violence? not just deaths. do states with more gun control laws have less gun violence overall? well, experts we spoke to say there's just not enough information to tell one way or the other. the reporting from law enforcement officers and from private citizens on gun incidents is just too inconsistent. for instance, when someone gets shot at and not actually shot, that often doesn't get reported but still an incident of gun violence. >> certainly is. brian, thanks very much. let's get some insight into what's going on from our experts, our law enforcement analyst, the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin is a former federal prosecutor. tom, if it's true this correlation that brian just reported on, the nra seems to have an enormous amount of political clout here in washington on the law. what's going on? >> well, i think the first question is whether it's true or not, wolf. but the second question is that there are other factors, environmental factors. why is people in alaska want to commit suicide? are they isolated with the cold weather and get cabin fever and
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that causes it? compared to other states that are warmer in climate. i mean, there's a lot of causal factors and environmental factors, cultural factors. they all need to be analyzed. i'm not saying that the data's wrong. i'm just saying we need to analyze what's actually at the root cause. >> you spent your whole career in law enforcement. do you believe the greater the control on the availability of guns the better off the public is as far as gun violence is concerned? >> yes. yeah. i personally believe that. it's a personal opinion. but there's other factors involved. and a lot of these cases people have said that they wouldn't have been prevented by the gun laws that were proposed. well, that's true. if this individual had his mother's guns, they were all bought legally, he went into the classroom and shot people with handguns, that's not even on the table to limit handguns. we're talking about assault rifles and some of the other more powerful weapons that we can't even have a logical discussion about those. >> jeffrey, the big loophole out there is that if you go ahead to a gun store or registered license gun store and want to buy a gun, you need to go through a background check of
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sorts. on the other hand if you go to a private gun dealer or a gun show, you buy it on the internet, you don't need any background checks. you can just go buy the gun. and a big percentage of the guns sold in america are sold that way. that presumably is a common sense problem that should be resolved. >> and what was interesting today is that hillary clinton who has generally been pretty cautious about gun control and certainly her husband was as president has said that as president she will close the gun show loophole by herself by executive action. now, i don't even know if that's possible legally, but i think it's an interesting evolution of the politics. you know, the nra used to be kind of a bipartisan organization. it used to have lots of democratic supporters and lots of republican supporters. but they have essentially abandoned the democratic party. and so a lot of democrats now even in states like virginia say, you know what, we don't care about the nra. and hillary clinton is doubling down on gun control which is
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something that national democrats have not done, including even barack obama for quite some time. >> all right. thanks very much, jeffrey, tom, guys appreciate it. coming up, we're going to have a live update on the breaking news in south carolina's capital where dams are failing, people are being told to leave their homes immediately. whatever you're doing, plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year. always have a plan. plan well. enjoy life. go long.
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forces came under taliban fire and asked for u.s. support. u.s. special operations forces have been on the groundworking with afghan troops and now in a cnn exclusive, barbara starr brings us a behind the scenes look at america's most elite forces, barbara, what did you find out. >> i spoke to the general in the days before this incident in afghanistan, but this is the top general in charge of training, equipping and getting special f operations forces out into the field and knows how tough it may be even when they are not in combat. special operations forces go to the most dangerous corners of the world to rescue hostages and take out terror cells. nobody may know more than general joe votel about what it takes to face down a terrorist. >> we recognize that the american people expect us to be able to do these types of
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missions. >> votel previously led the secret organization jsoc. teams that secretly gather intelligence for raids and hostage rescues. >> we want to take the great people that we have and give them the very best capabilities they can operate at the edge. >> that edge means votel focuses on getting troops the best training and the most advanced weapons like high rate of fire rifles, high-tech drones and helicopters. the general took us inside the training for his troops at fort bragg, north carolina as they learn to patch wounds under combat. he has walked the line between success and disaster doing exactly what he asked his troops do, go where death may be one step away.
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>> it was about the mission asked to do. >> twice he parachuted into combat in panama and afghanistan. >> it's both scary and exhilarating. >> votel commanded army rangers in iraq in 2003 when troops stormed an iraqi hospital to rescue jessica lynch. >> one of the big things we learned out of that was our level of readiness, our level of training really allowed us to adapt to the particular situation that we found ourselves in there and just to really step into that situation and do it. >> now the next step, sending drones over syria to track and kill top isis operatives but more than drones are at work. >> a lot of our intelligence comes to talking to people on the ground and understanding what their perspective is and getting their view. >> can you take americans behind the scenes and tell them what one of these missions in reality is like? if they think it's a hollywood
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movie, what's the reality? >> the reality is this, is that our operations are built on a solid foundation of intelligence. there is a lot of training and he rehearsing that goes into the operations. >> is there a mission in history that has stood out in your mind? >> i'll take you back to the reason the organization exists. the failure to recover our hostages in iran back in 1980. we recognize that we could not allow our country to fall into that situation again. so you brought up the ben laden raid. in many regards, that's a very detintive example how far we've come. >> sometimes it all goes wrong. what's the toughest day you ever had? >> toughest day that i ever had is when we lost a helicopter. >> 37 souls lost when a helicopter was shot down in afghanistan. >> it was devastating for me.
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it was devastating for obviously the units involved and pretty significant for the nation to lose that many people in such a short span of time. >> votel will tell you many of his troops now operate in what he calls the gray zone. that mysterious area between peace and full blown conflict. many of his troops now working to help train east european militaries to face a potential russian threat, if one were to come, perhaps no better example of the gray zone of special operations forces. wolf? >> good report, barbara, thank you very much. coming up, historic and catastrophic, parts of the state seen two feet of rain, nine dead, a breach bringing new damages.
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>> manning nhappening now, brea, dams and levees are failing and deadly record rainfall. mandatory evacuations under effect as the waters rise. deadly strike on a hospital in afghanistan. how did american forces make such a mistake and how will the impact have such a tight? not so secret service, the agency is facing sharp criticism after agents leaked information about a u.s. congressman that once applied to work there. i'll talk to a senator that put
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hold three obama nominations and calling for a criminal investigation. campaign comedy, "saturday night live" spooks the 2016 white house race with partisan jabs to the candidates. will political humor help hillary clinton soften her image? >> i'm so darn bummed. all anyone wants to talk about is donald trump? >> donald trump? isn't he the one that's like ugh, you're all losers? [ laughter ] we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the "the s"the situation room"". we're following the breaking news record, deadly flooding in south carolina. the governor says is living through a once in 1,000-year disaster. at least nine have been killed and state officials are
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reporting nine dams filled and more are being over topped by water and just continues to rise. we're also following the growing scandal over secret service leak of personal information about republican congressman jason cha fits and tom cotton, a member of the intelligence and armed services committees is a calling for a criminal investigation. he's here to talk about that and more and we have correspondents and exert analysts standing by. nick is in forest acres, south carolina, what are you seeing there, nick? >> reporter: wolf, this is the result of that relentless rain pounding the state. the state's capital, the flash floods treacherous and you can see the devastation it has left behind. already nine people have lost their lives as a result of this storm and it's left behind this type of catastrophic damage. just in the last few hours, the
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rain has stopped and that is the welcome good news here for these residents but just in the last hour, what we've heard is that another dam right behind us breached causing more flooding in these neighborhoods making the roads just impassible. behind me, you can see the results of another dam that breached if you want to zoom in on that. that dam forced this water tearing apart this bridge and leaving this entire area walked out. very difficult situation here, one that is threatening lives and one that is causing a lot of concern for governor nikki haley. she's recommending people stay inside their home and shelter in place. many people out of curiosity or sense of adventure, come out to check the scene. we saw teenagers dangerously close to the edge if we get a little closer perhaps not too close. you can see what it's done to this road way, helicopters
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surveying the damage and national guard troops and 7,000 have been dispatched here and are on stand by as well to deal with this water rescues more than lost their lives, we hope there aren't others but this is a very active situation, wolf? >> dangerous situation, nick valencia. what's the latest where you are, boris? >> reporter: wolf, we got good news in the past hour. the town of manning, 50 miles west of where nick was was blacked out. there was no power. within the past hour we saw stoplights coming on and businesses turning lights on. the good news is at least some places here have power. for the most part, the city looks much like this. if you look behind me, this is highway 301 that stretches down to florida and right now it's flooded as far as the eye can
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see, at least a mile of flooding, flooding businesses nearby, cars are submerged. we've seen a lot of scenes like this today around the western or eastern part of south carolina i should say, scenes that will continue to play out as the rain continues to come down. tonight more rain pounding parts of south carolina, and officials are warning residents the danger is not over yet. >> people are off the roads and really listened, but those that didn't listen, this is dangerous. this is very real. >> reporter: governor nikki haley said there could be more evacuations with flood waters likely to rise. crews across the state have been working around the clock rescuing people from their homes and cars as flood waters rise. in georgetown county the fire chief said one man was found clinging to a tree after his truck was swept away by an overflowing river. >> saw a truck go around the
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barricade and went a little down the road in the water and pushed him right in the ditch into the river. i hope it sends a strong message this guy could have lost his life. >> reporter: the call to stay off the roads echoed by officials across the state. >> this is not a time to take pictures. there is enough media to look at and see the pictures and views. >> just don't be stupid. that's the thing, keep saying, you know, don't try to drive through flooded areas, you don't know how deep they will be. >> reporter: crews not only have to get to residents' cars s submerged but look behind me, that's a national guard vehicle and underneath it is a car just another sign of how powerful these flood waters can be. according to the governor, about 550 roadways and bridges are closed, some completely washed out. dozens of streets are
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impassable. in georgetown along the coast, business owners rush to pump water out with the threat of high tide looming. thousands of residents in pockets of the state are dealing with power outages and contaminated water due to sewage overflow. and unfortunately, wolf, not everyone is heeding that warning from the governor and other officials to stay out of the water and inside. earlier today we saw several people walking around barefoot in the water and shorts and riding eye kkayaks. the water is filthy, there is probably bacteria in it. you heard sewer water may be mixed in with the rain. definitely a good idea to stay out of the water and not kind of put yourself in the line of even more danger. >> yeah, best not get anywhere near there. boris, thanks very much.
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tom is tracking this in the cnn severe weather center. >> in the last 24 hours, we've had over 30 breaches of dams and levees. many are minor. some my be a fractiure, some ovr topping. five major dam failures, five in the county of richland and three in lexington and one in lee. we have one warning in effect and this is a suburb to the east of capital where a mandatory evacuation is taking place for the breach of a dam. not sure what that breach means. is it over topping? is there water seeping underneath the structure or some sort of fracture? there are lakes, i'll get in closer and you'll see what i'm talking about. the communities east of forest lake, rocky ford lake to the north. this is forest lake and there is a dam right here as we get in closer, it almost looks like an elevated levee, a road that goes
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across so maybe shiftment of pavement but if this gives way, which it is flooding. that means it's imminent, the communities off to the east are going to be evacuated. there is quite a large community here and reasonable to assume any home around the lake bed will have to evacuate depending on the elevation. now i do want to point out the next problem we're going to be looking at after the historic flooding and amounts of rain 15 to 20 to 26 inches will be the rivers. most of the smaller tributaries are feeding the larger rivers and flow from the forth east to the east. that means communities that have seen the submersion of water will see the river waters rise and the damage they reveal in the days ahead could be c catastrophic and maybe the next billion dollar disaster. >> some say that's a modest figure. thanks tom for that report.
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there is other breaking news we're following including the international outrage over a deadly mistake, an air strike on a hospital in afghanistan by a u.s. gun ship and killed 20 people including doctors and children. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what's the latest, barbara? >> wolf, the pentagon hopes to have answers, at least preliminary in the next several days about what happened but make no mistake, hospitals, schools and mosques are no go zones for u.s. air strikes. international outrage after a hospital in northern afghanistan was struck from the air by the u.s. the u.s. is investigating its role in the attack that left 12 medical staff and 10 patients, three of them children killed, another 37 wounded. the hospital is run by the aid group doctors without borders, a global charity that works in war
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zones. they call the attack a war crime. >> well, again, i wouldn't use the label like that because this is something that continues to be under investigation. >> survivors described the horror. >> translator: there were flames all around me. i saw patients and doctors burn to death. >> translator: there was no place to hide. >> the damage massive and ac-130 gun ship like this struck the hospital with the on board guns. >> afghan forces advised they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from u.s. forces. an air strike was called to eliminate the taliban threat and several scivilians were accidently hit. >> doctors without borders say they've gate the exact location and furious with the pentagon saying the story keeps changing to attempting to pass responsibility to the afghanistan government. the reality is, the u.s. dropped
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those bombs. defense secretary ash carter trying to reassure the group. >> we've been in touch with them to assure them that a full and transparent investigation will be held. >> doctors woithout borders sai the taliban were not at the hospital. >> if there was major military operation going there, our staff would have noticed. that was. -- wasn't the case. >> u.s. forces were not under attack, just afghan forces. but nonenonetheless, a senior u official says all strikes the afghans ask for have strict approval procedures, not all are approv approved. one big problem right now, the fighting between the taliban and afghan forces in that area remain so fierce, u.s. military investigators have not been able to make their way to the hospital. >> barbara starr, thanks very
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much. more on this with tom cotton of arkansas a member of the intelligence and armed services committee and also u.s. army veteran that served in iraq and afghanistan, right? >> yes, i did. >> what's the latest information you're getting. how could this happen, this doctors without borders hospital in effect blown occuup and all e people killed. >> i met with the commander that said there are three separate investigations to include an army investigation. you've been in a war zone. first reports are often and usually incorrect as we heard in the report before we started talking but i also know our commanders on the ground are intent on getting to the facts and if there is negligence or any misconduct, they will hold the troops accountable and change procedures to avoid this terrible tragedy again. >> because this was -- the first city, major city in afghanistan taken by the taliban since,
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extra, 2001. there was a feierce battle goin on. afghan troops asking for help and gave the coordinates and u.s. went in with the u.s. and ac-130 gun ship. would they rely on afghan troops? >> maybe in part but there are vetting procedures any time afghan troops will call in american air support. that's why it's important to wait and get the facts. you're right, this is the first city the taliban has taken in almost 15 years and major fighting and always fog on the battle field and that's why ultimately responsibility lies with the taliban and groups like the taliban like hasballah that use civilian areas to protect themselves. >> they say they specifically gave african forces, u.s. forces coordinates where this hospital is, don't go anywhere near
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there. >> that may be the case, wolf. now, there could be some confusion in the moments leading up to the attack or during the attack but that's why we have these investigations to get to the facts. >> stand by, senator, we have much more to talk about and your call for a criminal investigation with the u.s. secret service because of what it did to one united states congressman. more with senator cotton when we come back.
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we're back with republican senator tom cotton. he's calling for an investigation. cotton is placed a hold on three obama administration nominees pending further investigation. stand by, senator, we'll have much more to talk about this but first, the senior white house correspondent jim accosta has more. >> they said they were proactive to go back and correct the record of when he learned officials in his agaency were spreading rumors about jason but that won't be enough. joe clancy, the man that planed
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to reform the agency is accused of being one of the problems by top republicans. >> if it turns out director clancy knowingly misled the inspector general, he should resign or be fired. he was hired to cleanup wrongdoing, not perpetrate it. >> inspector general's office found last march more than 40 secret service employees were inapp prep yitly snooping around in the chairman of the committee that oversees the agency. one e-mail revealed from ed lawry said information he might find embarrassing needs to get days before news reports said he was rejected for a job with the secret service. >> it's a little bit scary, secret service diving into my background as a city member of congress. it's not about me but it is about what are they doing over
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there? these people entrusted with guns by the president. >> clancy said he learned of it in early april but last friday changed that to march 25th. >> you have to consider i was interviewed four months after these events took place and my memory was incorrect. >> clancy blamed the discrept see on his memory. >> chaffetz said both men called to apologize. >> that was their second round of apologies but that isn't going to cut it. >> clancy said the secret service was on the mend, even with the white house fence jumper. last week the agency earned high marks from the president for its protection of pope francis. >> a round of applause for doing
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so great hosts and keeping everybody safe. >> he cause of actions the president takes the case seriously. >> this is sensitive information we're talking about and something like this would be politicized is wrong. >> now, chaffetz said there should be a criminal investigation. the white house says that is up to the justice department but the inspector general's office reopened the investigation siting clancy's changing stories. >> senator cotton still with us. what do you want them to do with the director? >> i won't prejudge the outcome but take this with the gravity it warrants. armed agents of executive violated the law to prevent a congressman to do his job. if they will do that to the congressman, what might they do to the little guy, normal american? first secretary johnson needs to
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personally get involved and apply appropriate disciplinary action towards 45 agents who unlawfully accessed congressman chaffetz' files and they need to begin an investigation into false statements to the inspector general. >> they oversee the u.s. secret service. what happened as far as you know to those 40 or 45 secret service agents that knew about this and said let's embarrass this u.s. congressman who chairs this committee who oversees the secret service? >> it's unclear from the inspector general's report and a decision for secretary johnson and can brief congress on the displciplinary action. they talked about secretary clancy changing his story, which is bad but even if he had not misrepresented facts from the beginning, a day after the hearing after congressman
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chaffetz' application. he didn't ask what they knew. that's not the leadership we should seek. >> he applied for a job at the secret service and didn't get it. that's supposed to be classified. what have you decided to hold up three nominees, put a hold on these nominees as a result of what? >> wolf, this is not just about a specific incident or misconduct, this is a constitutional clash between the executive and the legislature. executive agents tried to intimidate a congressman from doing his job. i would feel the same way if this was representative elijah cummin cummings. this is about ensuring the people's elected representatives in congress can do our job to conduct proper oversight over the executive branch. >> it is outrageous when you think about it, trying to embarrass a united states congressman like this. thank you for coming in. just ahead, saturday night life spoofs presidential
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. we're now eight days away from the cnn democratic presidential debate. the face-off for hillary clinton and bernie sanders. the vermont senator is opposing the strongest challenge to hillary clinton. our correspondent brianna keilar is joining us from new hampshire where sanders is ahead in the polls and hillary clinton can see she has work to do before the first of the nation primary. what's the latest on the campaign? >> reporter: wolf, part of that work hillary clinton is trying to do is taking on this issue of gun violence. you look back to 2000 when she first ran for the senate. she took the rather liberal view of supporting a national gun registry in 2008 when she ran for president, she moderated her tone a bit. this cycle she is coming out against the nra and also today taking on republicans who were investigating benghazi. two weeks from testifying before the house benghazi committee,
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hillary clinton is slamming the republic republican-led effort. >> this committee was setup as they have admitted for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four americans. >> reporter: she's seizing on these comments from house majority leader kevin mccarthy. >> we put together a benghazi special committee. a select committee. what are her numbers today sm. >> reporter: new polls show clinton leading bernie sanders in iowa by five points, 11 if vice president joe biden decides not to run but in new hampshire, sanders is beating clinton by 14 points, a lead that stihrinks. clinton told nbc she's expecting a primary fight. >> bernie is a they boneighbor >> reporter: sanders is generating enthusiasm clinton is
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not. he drew a crowd of more than 20,000. >> thank you. [ cheers ] >> reporter: but biden remains the wild card in the field and two senior democrats tell cnn he seems increasingly to be leaning toward running and the decision would likely come in the next two weeks. in the wake of the shooting at an oregon community college last week, clinton laid out propels to combat gun violence. >> it's time for us to say wait a minute, we're better than this. our country is better than that. >> reporter: clinton railed against the national rifle association. >> ideally, what i would love to see is gun owners responsible gun owners, hunters form a different organization and take back the second amendment from these extremists. >> reporter: she's trying to draw a distinction between herself and sanders who has more moderate views on guns that reflect his rural state while clinton's voting record has been liberal, her tone hasn't always been so sharp. in 2008 she made this appeal to
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gun-owning democrats. >> it's part of a culture. it's part of a way of life. >> reporter: clinton is trying to show a lighter side. ♪ ♪ we know that things always tomorrow ♪ >> reporter: laughing at herself on "saturday night live" this weekend. >> this has been so nice. you are really easy to talk to. >> thanks, that's the first time i've ever heard that. >> reporter: now the sanders campaign, wolf, out touting his opinion, he wants an assault weapons ban and background checks. not often you see bernie sanders on the defense especially here in new hampshire. right now he's beating hillary clinton by double digits but obviously, wolf, there is concern on his part, his campaign's part that his more moderate stance on guns could
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hurt him. >> stay with us. i want to bring in dana bash and gloria borger. you and jeff have been doing excellent reporting. what's the latest the possibility of the vice president jumping into the race? >> biden hasn't announced anything but jeff and i have spoken to some people who have spoken directly to the vice president and what they are telling us is there seems to be a shift in the last couple weeks and the vice president sounds more like he's leaning towards a candidacy and interested in the mechanics of the race and talking more about how quote you would be surprised unquote about how many people he's heard from who would endorse him and he's also told people, you know what? who have said to him, you could lose saying you know what? i don't really care. i've lost twice before and managed to do quite well afterwards thank you very much. this is something after a career in public service as a sitting vice president for eight years,
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why wouldn't i think about it? having said that, no decision announced and people in biden world always say that, you know, don't expect anything to happen until he actually says it because he keeps changing his mind about it. >> if he decides to run and the indication is growing, he might decide to run. how does that impact the clinton campaign? how does hillary clinton deal with that in this race for the democratic nomination? >> reporter: that's really the tricky part, wolf, because polls show if biden gets in the race, he pulls from her support, not as much from bernie sanders' support. a couple things, what you see something that she would need to do and she's doing this and her campaign is doing this is suring up donors and making sure this big money she has right now on the democratic side that she can maintain that. the campaign is comfortable with the obama coalition and african
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americans and latinos, the issue for her and the liability is maybe the lack of authenticity when you compare her to joe biden. during this sort of atmosphere that we're seeing on the campaign trail, you have joe biden, what's normally a liability for him, his authenticity and fact he shoots from the hip may be a bit a plus for him. we see hillary clinton building up her authenticity and connect with voters more. >> dana, senator bernie sanders has been amazing out there, 20,000 people show up in boston and attracting huge crowds that he raised in the last quarter, $25 million and not doing any super pacts. he's really done well. it almost on the democratic side as surprising as donald trump has been on the republican side and becoming a major player out there. >> right, brianna was talking about authenticity which is a buzz word of this election cycle and the other is having excitement behind you and having energy behind you and those are
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two things that you just can't buy and those are two things that bernie sanders is showing that he has. the question, of course, is for him like for any candidate especially at this level is how do you turn that enthusiasm into actual votes because there could be a lot of people going out there, i don't know, half of that crowd saying i want to see what the fuss is about and they are not necessary motivated to go to the polls and pull the lever or in iowa go to the caucuses, which is a different situation. so that is the big challenge in sanders land right now is making sure they have an organization that can match the enthusiasm. >> they say the same thing about donald trump. a lot of people go out there -- >> that's a celebrity factor. >> stand by. >> an important note to the viewers, all this leading up to the first democratic presidential debate. cnn is hosting it next week, october 13th, a week from tomorrow in las vegas. we'll take a quick break. much more on the race for the
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white house and all the day's important news when we come back.
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the republican race for the white house is heating up with donald trump's commanding lead narrowing in one key state where some rivals are gaining ground. dana bash is still with us. what's the latest on the republican candidates? >> two floridaens are doing better in the first two contest states but iowa and new hampshire, top two spots are still candidates who have never held elected office. ♪ ♪ >> donald trump is still on top
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but his grip as front runner not as firm. >> if it was dropping in the polls where i saw i wasn't going to win, why would i can't? i'm a realest. i'm doing great in the polling right now. >> in new hampshire, trump's 16-point lead narrowed to five points according to a new nbc poll that puts him at 21% in the granite state hot on trump's heels, carly fiorina second at 16% and campaigning today in new hampshire, the old fashioned way, at a rotary club. >> here in new hampshire, we are all revealed and that's because this is a place where campaigning is intimate. >> there is nothing intimate about donald trump's campaign style, interviews and social immediate media. >> i get in there, taxes go down, everybody gets a job, salaries go way up, we build a
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wall, it's huge. [ laughter ] >> over in china, they are going to say, now that's a wall. [ laughter ] >> the real donald trump is going after marco rubio snl sketch style taking to twitter to retweet a boyhood picture of the 44-year-old senator that refers to him as little rub and says he doesn't have the swagger to run the country but rubio is on the rise from 3% to 10% in new hampshire. no response to trump but depending himself from criticism from jeb bush who told us rubio's inexperience as a first-term senator was remini e reminiscent of president obama. >> new and improved hope and change. >> today rubio pushed back saying it's about ideas. >> if he had been in the senate for 50 years, i think he would have met some failers he's
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meeting because his ideas don't work. >> these new polls are bad news for john kasich especially in new hampshire where he's playing hard. he had a bump but kasich is down to 6% and wolf, that is half of where he was in new hampshire last month. >> trump and bush are going after rubio, why? >> because he's doing better. no question about it. trump started to go after him in fits and starts and now he's clearly seeing him as more of a threat and when it comes to jeb bush, frankly i was surprised what he told me being aggressive going after the guy that's a good friend but inside the bush campaign, they see the fact rubio is doing well and certainly are very fearful of what that could mean for bush. >> trump's lead, gloria is narrowing. >> huge. >> i wouldn't say huge but narrowing. >> he's still leading but the air is slowly seeping out of the
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balloon a bit. i mean, obviously, he is the front runner but if you look at the polling in new hampshire for example, wolf, he was beating the nearest competitor by 16 points. that's a huge lead. now he's just ahead of fiorina by five points. you see other candidates including rubio and jeb and ben carson are all kind of clumped together. so you see the field shifting, not dramatically but you can see that trump is not in the anymore. >> he's more serious and putting more policy out there and teasing that more is still to come but look, running for president is a lot of fun when you're winning. people talk about you. you're on tv all the time. it not very much fun if you're losing and that will be the big test when we see donald trump fall in the polls.
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he's building an operation in places like alabama, georgia, tennessee but if he plummets before then, do you stay in and put your own money in or call it a day? >> what about jeb bush using or not using his older brother, especially in south carolina? >> his older brother has a better favorability rating in the republican party than jeb bush has. it's in the stratisphere like 80% when you try to raise money and he uses his brother to raise money, why not use him? it's a bit more problematic, like the war in iraq, he had a difficult time answering, as you recall, whether it was a mistake but for his purposes now, why not use his brother? why not use his father? it works for him. >> when it comes to some of the issues that maybe the tea party section of the republican electret are upset about like
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spending, you know, there is no worse word than george w. bush because spending really increased. he didn't veto any spending bills in his entire two terms that infuriates that part of the republican party but south carolina which has a military-rich electret, george w. bush obviously won back in 2000, the primary there and still is popular even and especially among republicans. >> jeb distanced himself from his brother on spending. >> yeah, he tries. >> he tries and it was easier for him to do it on spending than iraq. >> once you're out there, if you guys are out there together, there is video of that and that's going to come back at you if you do become the nominee in a general election. you do have to survive the primaries to make it to the general and that seems like the calculations. >> when you see trump out there on the campaign trail going to effects and attracts obviously, huge crowds, he looks to be and i'm not there watching him as
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closely as you are, like he's having a lot of fun. >> i think he definitely is having a lot of fun. look, not only does he get to go out there to adoring crowds his staff built for him but go and get on his plane and watch himself on tv on a loop. that's what he does. all of the eyes are on donald trump. so i think he really enjoys that. bobby jindal is not getting all of the attention because he's not at the top of the polls. >> he's not afraid, gloria, to do interviews on tv. >> no, he love it is. >> some of these other candidates, you ask and ask -- we here at cnn have asked marco rubio to do an interview and we're still waiting for a "yes". >> this is free media to droona trump. it's oxygen to donald trump. he's very good at it. he love it. if he makes a mistake, he
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doesn't add m doesn't a doesn't admit it. he moves right on. >> before donald trump arrived on the scene, people stayed back and didn't do interviews. that's changed. i know that he got positive feedback on that, not necessarily because of all the things that he said but because he was out there talking and he was part of the mix. >> and you get some free publicity, too. donald trump understands you don't have to buy ads if you're out on television making your points. >> ladies, we have much more. an important programming note. cnn will be hosting the first democratic presidential debate in only eight days, next tuesday, a week from tomorrow, october 13th, in las vegas. just ahead, campaign comedy, courtesy of "saturday night live." >> my husband, mike huckabee, used to be my partner, my rock, and then he got up in the middle of the night and started packing his suitcase.
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my family but then my husband started getting confused. he would say things that just didn't make any sense, things like -- >> and come next november, i, rick santorum, will be president of the united states! >> and he believed this. that's when i knew he had dementia. >> my husband, mike huckabee, used to be my rock, my partner. then one night he packed a suitcase and he kept muttering, kim's in jail and i've got to go get her out of jail and that's going to make me president. he didn't even know what year it was or how it worked. >> my husband is the love of my life but, lately, he's been having these episodes. >> honey, the poll has me up 1.2% in iowa. white house, here we come. >> yay, can i not wait to be
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first lady. do you see, he's sick and he needs help. >> well now there is help. introducing abilify. it damages the part of the brain that says i'm going to be president leading to almost an immediate return to reality. it's prescribed for 11 specific people. >> before abilify, i would go on national tv and say, here's how i would eradicate isis. me. it's like, what? >> they said jim gilmore dropped out of the race and i thought, who's jim gilmore and i realized it was me. i was running for president. >> i caught donald trump off and i said, no, you listen. what was i thinking? that's our future president. >> ask your doctor about abilify
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today, bobby jindal, because not everybody can be president. >> and now we know. >> you've got to admit, dana, that's pretty funny stuff. >> it's so funny. i kept thinking, i can't imagine being a writer for "snl" and not being able to parody everything that's happened for the past three months. >> it's a dream come true for these writers. >> oh, it is. it's going to be a long political season and they have donald trump obviously but they really found a great way to make fun of everybody else who is in sort of the 1 to 2%. >> absolutely. >> "snl," for those of us who are political news junkies, we're going to have to watch it every saturday night. >> it's already dvr. >> like all of us. >> empty calories. remember, you can always catch us on twitter. i'd love you to tweet me @wolfblitzer. please be sure to join us once
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again tomorrow here in "the situation room." thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news, nine dams fail across south carolina in the wake of a 1,000-year flood. into plus, new details about the oregon shooter tonight. he handed one student his final writings and then made him sit and watch the carnage. our exclusive interview ahead tonight. an american airlines pilot dies mid-flight, more than 150 people on board. let's go "outfront." >> good evening. "outfront" tonight, nine dams have failed in south carolina. more expected to fail now as a 1,000-year flood devastates the

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