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this morning to investigate, is it possible anyone survived the hurricane that tore through their route? cnn's alexandra field joins us now with the latest. >> there's a lot of hope that there are more survivors out there. they did recover at least one body, however, they were not able to identify the body and were not able to recover the body. instead, they've had to move on to investigate every other sign of possible life out in the sea. this is a joint effort between the coast guard, the army and the navy. they have been looking to find any more survivors. overnight, a new sobering image from the desperate search for the missing cargo ship "el faro." the ship now likely on the floor of the caribbean sea, 33 crew members, including 28 americans, missing. after hurricane joaquin zeroed in on their location. >> if the vessel did sink on thursday and that crew is able to abandon ship, they would have
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been abandoning ship into a category 4 hurricane. >> recently released video from the search zone showing this empty life boat, human remains also found. many are now wondering, why would the ship set sail with a hurricane brewing? with winds of 140 miles per hour and waves topping 50 feet. >> that's what i do not like. i don't think they should have shipped them out when they knew that was going on. that makes no sense to me at all. >> reporter: the ship's owners telling the associated press the vessel's captain had planned to bypass the storm but was unable to because of a mechanical failure. that left the boat adrift in the path of the category 4 hurricane. the company maintains that safety is its number one priority. >> i can assure you that there is no schedule that's more important to keep that would in any way endanger the lives of our crew members or employees. >> reporter: officials concluding "el faro" sank near the bahamas in about 15,000 feet
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of water as crews continue searching those dark waters, families clinging to the hope that their loved ones are out there. >> they may still be alive. that's why we're out there searching. >> most important right now is every possible earl to try and find any of the survivors out there. we know the next step will be a thorough investigation that's going to be taken on by the ntsb and coast guard. certainly they will be looking into reports that the ship lost power. the ship left jacksonville on tuesday. the forecast for joaquin did change a lot throughout the day on tuesday but our own cnn meteorologist brandon miller says that by late tuesday afternoon, it was clear that the hurricane was moving in the direction that that ship would have been heading in. alisyn? >> let's find out what the coast guard has discovered in the past 24 hours. joining us now is captain mark fedor, chief of response for the u.s. coast guard's 7th district in miami. good morning, captain. thanks so much for being with us. what has your search turned up in the past 24 hours?
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>> so what we've done with our search is we first started, we were looking for the ship. we searched an area basically the size of california. yesterday, we reduced that search down to two main debris fields. those areas are basically the size of a larger city and a smaller city. we've really focused in on survivors. all we've been able to locate is we've recovered five life rings, a personal flotation device and we also sighted two survival suits, a deflated life raft and a damaged life boat which you have seen the video of. >> you spotted those two survival suits. as we understand, one of them had a body in it. if someone was -- we understand there were enough life suits on board for every one of those crew members. if someone were able to have donned a life suit and did go overboard, could they have survived this hurricane?
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>> the challenge is, the vessel was disabled, was without propulsion on thursday morning. if they were able to abandon ship and put on their survival suits they would have been abandoning ship into that category 4 hurricane. you're talking about 140 mile-an-hour winds, 50-foot seas, zero visibility. it's a very dire situation, challenging situation even for the most experienced mariner. >> we understand, as you said, you found one of the life rafts and there were two on board and they could each fit, i believe, 43 people. does that mean someone deploy those life rafts and people attempted to get in them or might they have just been knocked overboard? >> yes. so we discovered one of the life boats, which is the one you saw the video of, that's the hard shell ones. there's two of those. it's hard to -- it's really hard to tell now whether they actually deployed it or whether it was blown off the ship or removed from the ship while it
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was disabled. it was heavily damaged. obviously it went through a lot of impact, traumatic impact. >> captain, this is so haunting, this whole story, the idea that this 750-foot long ship, the size of 2 1/2 football fields ladened with cars and trailers just vanishes. can you give us some perspective on how unusual this is? >> it is uncommon for a ship like this to suffer this type of fate. the challenge is, no matter how big the ship is, when you are disabled and you're at sea and you're in the middle of a storm, they were disabled basically right by the eye of hurricane joaquin where the strongest winds are. so when the ship was disabled they basically fall into the trough of the hurricane, meaning they are beamed to the waves. the waves are hitting them from the side. the wind is hitting them from the side. and the size and strength of that storm is just enough to
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overcome just about anything. it was the worst possible situation for that ship to be disabled right by the eye of the hurricane. >> captain, what will you do today? where will you look? what's the plan? >> overnight, we had our three coast guard cutters out there. there are also three commercial tugs that are on scene, hired by the company. this morning, coming up here at first light we will have more aircraft on scene, coast guard c-130, hercules aircraft and air force c-130 as well as a navy p-8. we'll focus our search efforts on the smaller areas around the debris fields and do all we can to identify and search for any signs of life, any survivors. >> we wish you godspeed with all that. we know you have a herculean task ahead of you. thanks so much for making time for us, captain we appreciate it. over to michaela. the rain has stopped but the floodwaters and the threat level continue to rise in the
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carolinas. at least 13 people have lost their lived in the two flood-ravaged states. making matters worse, at least 18 dams have breached or failed in south carolina since saturday, leaving entire neighborhoods submerged and without drinking water. cnn's nick valencia is live in hard-hit columbia, south carolina, with the latest on conditions there. nick? >> reporter: good morning, michaela. at this point yesterday, we would be standing under several feet of water. those floodwaters have largely receded but the threat still remain, especially for the low country as this waltter filters into the rivers and streams. >> reporter: officials in south carolina waking up to lingering fears, that more catastrophic flooding and new dam breaches could be on the way. >> from the river standpoint, we haven't hit the worst of it yet. >> reporter: monday night, eight dams failing, buckling under the pressure of historic rains. 18 failing since saturday, some areas seeing more than 20 inches. the deluge to blame for more
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than a dozen deaths in the carolinas. >> just because the rain stops, does not mean that we are out of the woods. >> reporter: this road collapsed in lugoth, claiming the life of a man driving with a female passenger, the vehicle careening through barricades. she survived, pulled from the overturn wreckage amid rushing water. in ridgeville, a chilling rescue of a different kind. flood waters unconcerning caskets from a nearby cemetery. >> we have to respect the dead. >> reporter: this man risking his own life venturing into waist deep water, pushing a casket to shore. in the hard-hit area of downtown columbia, the congaree river peaking to the highest it's been in decades, covering interstate roads, leaving homes under water and washing out bridge. now at least six nearby states sending emergency workers into south carolina for added flood relief. so far, 1,300 national guard
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members are on duty. crews in blackhawk helicopters leading statewide rescue efforts. >> sad because people have lost their businesses. they've lost homes. and it affected everybody across the board. it does not discriminate. >> reporter: the devastation prompting president obama to declare south carolina a major disaster area. ordering federal aid. with the rain easing up, state and local government have a better sense of the damage here. early estimates put the cost of the cleanup in the hundreds of millions of dollars. chris? >> thank you very much for the report. let's get the latest from the government side. derrec becker, public nch coordinator. the rain has stopped, people, therefore, think it is over. what is your level of urgency? >> chris, that's very correct. that's what one of our main concerns is, the fact that people may be lulled into a false sense of hope. we certainly want to give people hope in that we are going to start to see rain tapering off
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but the dam issue, the river issue, going to be watching that for several days. >> what is the deal with dams? how many breached? what does that mean? how do you recover from that? how do you fix it? >> yes. all of the water that has been dumped on south carolina in the last week or so has got to go somewhere. all of our rivers are full. many of our dams were at their level or in danger of overtopping. so some of the larger federally regulated dams released water to ease pressure on the spillways and so forth. so what we're looking at is the water making its way through the water system and that could mean more flooded areas along small communities from columbia to the coast. >> breached, therefore, can mean somewhat manipulated as a breach. you haven't had dams just completely blow out where you're going to have to wait and rebuild, have you? >> right. we've had several to actually
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fail. we've already had dams that were intentionally breached to prevent a much larger incident and much larger amount of water from escaping from that dam. >> now, we're getting some competing versions of what the assessments are of lethality. there are some people saying we got lucky. we know who's past and who made it through. there's another report that we don't know yet, we haven't been able to get to a lot of these areas. a lot are smaller and remote. there may be a whole new wave of findings in the days to come. where are you? >> we're on both sides of that. south carolina department of public safety has been able to confirm at least 11 fatalities that have been associated either with the weather, the severe weather storm or by the flooding. but it's important to remember that we still have areas that rescue crews have not been able to access because they've been able to determine that there is nobody living in those areas. so we could see that fatality
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count rise. we hope it doesn't. but we haven't been able to get into certain areas to conduct a full damage assessment. >> what is your biggest concern right now? >> our biggest concern is for people's safety, particularly in the areas that will be prone to heavier flooding in the coming days. we want people to heed the warnings. people who do not have any water, particularly in the columbia area, we're trying to make that as available as we possibly can. you're going to see more points of distribution as we call it for people to get water and the emergency shelters that have been established, both for people and people with pets. >> what is the biggest need and where can people go to give? >> right now, the biggest need is for people to pay attention to the warnings. right now, it's like we don't have a water supply issue. we have a water distribution issue. it's taken us a while to set up areas where people could get water where they wouldn't be put in harm's way coming to get it.
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if people want to find out ways to donate their time or volunteer, visit scemd.oh. the entire front page has been transformed into ways that people can prepare, start the recovery process and donate their time and efforts. >> mr. becker, good luck with it going forward. today and in the days to come. we will not forget about the story. you know you can come to us and let us know what the latest is. >> thank you. >> alisyn? a new twist on the deadly air strike on doctors without border hospital in kunduz. the commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan says afghan forces requested the bombing because they were under taliban fire. cnn's nic robertson is live in kabul with the developments. what have you learned, kninic? >> reporter: there is the investigation by the afghan government and nato is taking a more speedy investigation that should have some results within
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the next few days. but that is still a concern for doctors without borders. the fact they say that the general in charge of u.s. forces here has sort-to backtrack on the earlier analysis it was u.s. forces who were under direct fire. he says that is the reason that there needs to be an independent, impartial investigation. we've just heard from the afghan health ministry here. they say that doctors in health facilities across the country, nurses as well, medical staff, are worried no you. they say they absolutely rely on the work of doctors without borders and other nongovernmental organizations, health workers here. they say at the moment, this is, for them, a very big concern. they also are adding their voice saying they want an independent, international investigation into what's going on. the facts on the ground are hard to ascertain. at the moment we understand that the area around the hospital is still too dangerous to get to for investigators. so although some headway being made, the major steps, the
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important steps are yet to be covered on the ground there, michaela. >> they'll push for answers as best we can given the circumstances of the danger there. thank you so much for that. shocking moments an an american airlines flight from phoenix to boston. the pilot died midflight of an apparent heart attack. his co-pilot made a landing in new york. listen as he alerted air traffic control when captain michael johnson first fell ill. >> medical emergency, captain is incapacitated. request handling for runway one zero landing. >> the ambulance will meet you on the south de-ice pad. >> will they have a way to get him to an airport quickly or do we need to get to a gate? >> 70 of the 140 passengers on board said they had not realized
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the pilot died until they were transferred to another flight. allegations that employees of draft kings and fan duel used insider information to rake in huge winnings from bets on each other's sites. do we believe it? and if so, what is going to happen? >> this is an excellent question, chris. it's definitely going to be more investigation is necessary. but one thing is for sure. these are the two biggest names in fantasy football. what they allow users to do is basically put together their dream team of players and give users a chance to win prize money off of how those players actually perform. now, there's real money at stake. both of these companies were on track to pay out $4 billion in winnings this year. we say this is just a silly game, right? but there's real money -- >> nothing silly about 4 billion. >> exactly. 3 million users on the sites
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combine. real big media companies like our own parent company, time warner, has invested in these companies. time warner put money into fan duel. what happened was, draftkings, the rival site said an employee inadvertently leaked very secret -- >> that's the one that rises our eyebrows. >> the concern here is that anyone who had access to that secret information would have an unfair advantage in the way they pick their team. now, "the new york times" reported this employee also won a lot of money on the rival site. so the thought is that he used that information or at least "the times" reporting seems to suggest that he used that information to make a team that was a winning team, not good for the industry. remember, this, again, is big money at stake. 28 out of the 32 nfl teams get sponsorship money from both companies.
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this, of course, raises the whole argument about how this is regulated, whether it's self-policed. >> it is not regulated. it's self-policed. >> self-policing on the internet. that seems wise. >> it's online. that's why. >> this gives some credence to those critics that say this comes dangerously close to online gambling. >> sure. >> isn't it? >> actually congress specifically carved out fantasy sports when it made online gambling illegal. >> lobbying or preferential treatment. >> we have a couple sports experts coming up. we'll talk about it. a new campaign ad from hillary clinton slamming republicans for their benghazi investigation. we will look at whether the fallout will affect the race for house speaker. that's next. the internet of things. what we're recommending as your consultants...
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we put together a benghazi special committee. what are her numbers today? >> republicans have spent millions attacking hillary because she's fighting for everything they oppose. from affordable health care to
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equal pay. she'll never stop fighting for you and the republicans know it. >> a turn about in play, hillary clinton on offense when it comes to benghazi. that new ad you just saw says these investigations essentially aren't about truth but scoring political points. she shines a light on house majority leader kevin mccarthy and fellow republicans. the question is what fruit will this bear? to discuss, jeff zeleny in davenport, iowa on the clinton campaign trail and errol lewis, cnn political commentator and anchor for new york one. mr. zeleny, we know their camp is very excited about this do you believe benghazi could be something to play to advantage for hillary clinton? >> chris, it's hard enough that it would play to her advantage but it certainly is a turning point for the clinton campaign after months and months of e-mails and the controversy dogging the campaign, finally, secretary clinton is able to use the republican leaders' own words against them to show what
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she believes is a completely political matter here. it doesn't change the fact that we've learned so much about this e-mail. it doesn't change the fact that so many voters have wondered why she set up this private e-mail system which of course was first discovered by this benghazi committee. it does soften the moment of her testimony. remember she's still going to testify before this committee on october 22nd in washington. so it definitely puts that in now a new light. she would like to say in a political light. >> yes, errol, the campaign, her campaign, just considers this a gift served up by kevin mccarthy, his gaffe. in fact, the democrats on the benghazi committee have sent a letter to the chairman saying they will exploit this, despite claims the committee would be run with integrity, republicans have engaged in a series of selective leaks of inaccurate and incomplete information in an effort to attack secretary clinton with ub substantiated or
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previously debunked allegations. does this set with voters. >> not so much. kevin mccarthy, his introduction, i think he'll discover in a polarized country, the political leadership is very much polarized and in that environment, it does start to affect the public, in part because there's a lot of stuff that's just not getting done. so i mean, there will be a reaction from the public but then, you know, let's keep in mind. each of these representatives, even the most polarizing ones, ideological ones were elected by people who wanted them to go to washington and do certain things. we're not past the '90s, we're not past the 2 0e 000s on lots lots of issues. this is hillary clinton's home base. she thrives in this. she's ready for it. her team knows exactly how to react to it it.
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it will be a tough season to get through both in congress and on the presidential campaign trail but here we go. >> you want to be able to define the issues that hurt you in politics. they've given her an opportunity to do this. the proof of performance will be what happens when she testifies. she's putting this out now for a reason. you have the big debate coming up. how do you see hillary and bernie, they'll be the two main, you know, the focus of that debate, heading into that debate, what to you think they need to achieve? >> what hillary needs to achieve is make sure she's the adult in the room. there will be martin o'malley, throwing wild cards, heymakers, trying to get into the debate, trying to rattle clinton, get her to react. she has to be the adult. at the same time, she has to continue this process. walking away from the obama administration on very carefully on selected issues. arctic drilling. the transpacific partnership. she's been sort of trying to
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redefine bor redefine obamacare. she has to did that in a pronounced way. the alternative would be throwing red meat to the democratic base. >> hillary clinton was in new hampshire, she was talking about gun control whereas bernie sanders was tweeting out his thoughts on the transpacific partnership. but let me play for you the emotional moment of hillary clinton talking about her plan for stopping school shootings. >> so many of the parents of these precious children who were murder murdered have taken the unimaginable grief that they have been bearing and have tried to be the voices that we need to hear. >> jeff, how do you think that that issue plays?
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>> there's no question that that moment yesterday in new hampshire was a real and raw moment. the school shootings have happened again and again and again. we've heard politicians react to them. she also came out with a farley substantial gun proposal yesterday, saying that people who sell these guns should also bear significant responsibility. but look, that is a real emotional moment for her. let's set politics aside for a second. she was standing next to a mother of one of the newtown shooting victims. i mean, this brings this home to us more than anything. the question is, what can the next president do about this if congress is unwilling to do it? president obama, of course, also stood with families of newtown victims. newtown victims were lobbying the senate, the house, that bill did not pass just a few months after that shooting here. she'll be talking more and more about guns. it is an issue she believes is a contrast with bernie sanders. he has a higher rating from the
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nra. he's from vermont. he of course has come out with gun proposals as well. she will draw this as a distinction next week at the debate. >> he also asked the question a lot of people don't want to ask. what law would have made oregon not happen? what law would have made any of these not happen, these school mass shootings? and it gives you a different lens. jeff, appreciate, errol, as always. >> thank you. one week away from the first democratic debate hosted by cnn and took. tune in october 13th at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. do you have a question that you would like asked during the democratic debate? if so, head on over to cnn's facebook page or record a short video for instagram using t the #demdebate. this is provocative. why are people 25uking about donald j. trump getting out of the race? he's the front-runner, leading in all the polls, yet that is the scuttlebutt.
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we'll ask him, the one and only donald j. trump is on "new day" this morning. we'll ask him about himself and also syria. and marco rubio, did he really send him a gag gift? we have his answers, ahead. mick? we turn to oregon, her son survived the oregon campus massacre. the gunman spared his life, chose him to deliver an envelope to police. his mother is now speaking exclusively to cnn. that's ahead on "new day."
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the ntsb launching a go team this morning to investigate what exactly happened to the sunken container ship "el faro." meanwhile, the coast guard focuses on finding surviving crew members. 33 on board, 28 american. so far, one body has been spotted in a debris field near
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the bahamas. the vessel's owners say "el faro" suffered mechanical failure as it tried to bypass hurricane joaquin. coast guard officials believe that ship sank. epic flooding in the carolinas claiming 13 lives. nine dams have been breached or failed and more could give way, prompting governor nikki haley to warn, we are not out of the woods yet. early damage estimates soaring into the billions with water levels still rising, more than 1,300 members of the national guard have been called in to assist with rescue operations. an amtrak commuter train derailed in central vermont. two cars ran off the track monday morning near northfield. what you're looking at according to preliminary reports is the effects of a rock slide. that's what caused the derailment. officials say six people were injured, one seriously. president obama set to meet with the families of victims from that deadly college massacre in oregon this friday. funeral services for the nine
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people gunned down are set to begin thursday. meanwhile, we're learning more about the survivors. as the mother of a teenager singled out by the gunman as, quote, the lucky one, speaks exclusively to cnn. cnn's dan simon is live in roseburg, oregon with more. good morning, dan. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. this was one of the most emotional interviews i have ever been a part of. this is the story of 18-year-old matthew. his story begins after three people have already been shot. the teacher and two students. that's when the shooter, he pauses for a moment, looks up and he says, you with the glasses, you're the lucky one. he hands matthew an envelope and he says if you give this to police, you'll live. well, matthew is not yet ready to talk about what he endured but we did speak to his mother. take a look. does matthew have any idea why he was singled out? >> none at all. he didn't even realize it at first. it took him time to realize that he was sitting in the back of
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the room, watching this happen. and he's supposed to deliver this envelope. >> did he know the shooter? >> no. he doesn't even remember the shooter being there in the class a few days before. >> why do you think the shooter locked eyes with him? >> i have no idea. i can't ask why anymore. i just have to be happy that matthew's okay. >> and then what happened? >> matthew said that he froze. he didn't make a single move. he was afraid to look away, that if he made anything -- did anything to make the shooter notice him that he would be shot. so he just sat there. >> he's sitting there watching the shooter execute people? >> yes. >> how is he dealing with having witnessed such a tragedy? >> he doesn't know how to deal with it right now.
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it's -- i don't even think he can register what happened yet. it's just too much. no words for it. he was just -- he lived. and for that he feels guilty. >> well, yes, there is a huge amount of survivor's guilt here, i think anyone would feel that way. i can tell you that matthew will not be returning to the college. he's going to be taking some time off. his mother says thiscy ayoung man who is known for his smile, for his outgoing personality. and it will take some time for that part of himself to come back. you would think that when the president comes to town on friday that he will want to meet with matthew and his mother. but at this point, the white house is not released details surrounding his visit. alisyn and company, we'llen is it back to you. >> thanks so much. oh, my gosh -- >> how do you counsel someone to deal with that survivor's guilt? that's a weighty thing. >> how does he process this? and the randomness of the
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heinous crime? he was chosen, for some reason, but he'll never know the answer. >> you have to invest as little into what was going through the mind of the killer as possible. this is an irrational person, a bad person, motives meaningless. now this kid has a chance to keep going. >> you're right. wee look for meaning, though. >> we do. >> not going to find any when you look at these guys. they're not acting rational. fanduel, draftkings promising huge payouts to fantasy players who pick the perfect lineup. now there is a scandal brewing and erupting. is everyone competing on a level playing field? some, do they have an edge? we'll take a look at it.
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a scandal erupting in had the big money world of fantasy sports over what amounts to allegations of insider trading. it involves two major fantasy football sites, draftkings and fanduel. "the new york times" reports at draftkings employee won $350,000 placing bets at the rival site using data from his own company that was not available to the public.
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here to break it all down, cnn sports analyst and "usa today" sports columnist christine brennan and cnn sports anchor coy wire. we need to mention, we know that cnn's parent company has an investment in fanduel. let's get that out of the way. christine, your take on all of this? how big of a deal is it? >> michaela, i think it's a very big deal. this world of fantasy sports has been unregulated. it is the wild west. think of a multibillion dollar industry and there's been no regulation. what could go wrong? >> what could go possibly go wrong? >> now we're seeing, a lot of this is because the laws -- people are saying why? the laws were written, of course, before fantasy sports just took off. >> sure. >> this has been the last ten years, five, seven, ten years as a development. it's been the wild west. people have been doing whatever they want. that's not going to happen anymore. regulation is going to sl to come in. i think we'll see congressional hearings, the federal trade
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commission could get involved. that's how big a deal this is. >> that's a big bite right there. let's talk about how big this is, coy. let's bring up some stats. this is from "the new york times" fancy sports trade association. this is overall numbers. they're seeing something like 56 million people have some sort of an accounted player. this year alone, the average player spends $465 per year on fees. that would put the projected fees up to about $14 billion by 2020. we know these prizes can get up there, too. this isn't chump change. some individual prizes can get up to $2 million. and coy, what's complicated, is that it's all kind of tied in with the spores world, right? >> yes, you're exactly right, michaela. you're talking about 28 of the 32 nfl teams who have partnered with draftkings or fanduel and you're talking about the nba, the nhl, now the nfl players'
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association. they've inked a deal with draftkings. they'll be using their players in advertisements. you'll see them on social media, on digital, in print ads, on broadcasts. you're also going to see these teams, the 28 out of the 32 nfl teams, they're going to earn about estimated 6 million to $7 million per year from companies like draftkings and fanduel. you'll see their advertisements all over the stadiums. we'll see it. that number, that 56 million who play it, that's an estimate. when you talk about daily and weekly leagues, they're stateme estimating 75 million people will play fantasy football this year. that's over a quarter of the u.s. population. people investing big money. now allegations of not getting fair treatment. this is a big deal. >> you have the wild wild west of the interweb. we know how things go when you
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self-police there. you have all of this buy-in literally and money being made from the leagues themselves as coy is giving us the data there. it's a great way to keep fans engaged and feel sort of as if they're part of your league. it was a matter of time before this kind of went sideways, no? >> yes, you and coy are absolutely correct about that. for those who don't play this and don't get involved with this, who are watching saying what in the world? this is all about keeping fans engaged longer into games. so if there's a blowout in the nfl or major baseball, whatever, and a fan all of a sudden has a player in the fantasy league who is still playing, you can get a touchdown or a home run from that player, then all of a sudden you're going to watch that game or you're going to turn the channel and go back or check on the internet, on your iphone and there you go. that's why this is a big deal and why the teams want to be a part of it. this is set against the backdrop
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of the conversation of should we legalize gambling. the state of new jersey has been involved. the nba commissioner said why not legalize sports gambling and regulate the head out of it. it's a watershed moment. >> we might have insiders -- not insiders but people who play fantasy leagues here. this is not a game of chance. this is based on data. does it fall into the insider trading? lots of discussions we could have about this. coy, christine within always great to have your expertise on "new day." get in on the conversation. you may have an account. what do you think? tweet us using #newdaycnn or jump on to facebook and put your comments there. y chris? israel, why a new spike in violence and where is it going to lead? we have a former israeli ambassador joining us, next. diabetes, steady is exciting.
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welcome back to your "new day." there are certainly escalating tensions in israel after the military overnight destroyed the homes of two palestinians responsible for deadly attacks in jerusalem. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu who is also announcing a crackdown on palestinian protesters, all this comes after stabbing attacks that left two israelis dead and several wru wounded. let's discuss this with michael orrin, he joins us now, current member of the knesset. he's also the author of the book "allied." let's take a look at the immediate, ambassador. what is going on now? is it an extension of the back and forth? or do you think there's something different in the die nam thak we see in this moment? >> i would hope there's nothing different, chris. and good morning. there have been four israelis
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killed in the last couple days, including a couple within american citizen, shot in front of their four kids. it is just horrified the state of israel. and there's a sense of growing violence and last night there was a huge demonstration outside benjamin netanyahu's house, the prime minister's house, by the israeli right wing. people significantly to the right of him. israelis are demanding action against this. my own kids, i wouldn't call them right wingers, they've said to me, dad, we have to have a response to this. and the bulk of the palestinian population is not cooperating with us. they see what's happening in syria, they see what's happening in iraq. they don't want this. yes, they want a peace process. it would be very good if palestinian president mahmoud abbas joined the peace process. right now he refuses to negotiate with us. there's a simmering in the west bank. we hope it stays under a low flame. one way that israel will try to keep that flame low is by punishing those responsible for
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this terrorist and letting even the families around them know that there's a price to be paid for terror. >> when you say they see what's going on in syria and they don't want this, what do you think the palestinian perspective is on what they see happening in other places vis-a-vis what they want to happen in israel? >> two different separate issues. what they don't want to happen is they don't want hundreds of thousands of people killed like in syria. by the way, the palestinians are sunni muslims. they see that the shiites, iran, together with assad regime are killing sunnis. these are the people flooding europe are sunnis. the palestinians are sunnis. they don't want that. the shiites and the iranians conquer sunnis in iraq. they don't want that. on the other hand they'd like to have a peace process with israel, what they call a political horizon. some day we could all look forward to a two-state solution. i'm in knesset, i support the two-state solution. in order to get there, you have to have someone sit down at the table with you. last week, prime minister
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netanyahu was in the u.n. and extended his hand to mahmoud abbas again, let's sit down, try to work for a two-state solution. abbas's response unfortunately was to condemn us again, call us racism and try to delegitimatize us and possibly take us to court for sanctions. that's not how you goat to peace. >> you talk about defining the israeli/american relationship. it's wide and deep. you have people, institutions and politics, different levels. taking all of that as a kind of a look at the cohesiveness of it, right now, things have changed. it feels different. the relationship between the two at least on the leadership level, seems different. how would you define it right now? >> you did a good job. >> i read this book. "ally." >> i'll get it signed for you. >> thank you. >> we've had serious differences, differences over
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the peace process, maybe less so now. the iran nuclear issue was a big one, a very big one. what the administration saw as an historic achievement, israel saw as a grave danger. in my parliament, the knesset, we agree on nothing. it's not like congress. we're not that nice. it's rare, we had a national consensus this this deal was bad for israel. >> there is no division, no major facts that believe this deal is the good deal? >> no major factions, none whatsoever. everyone thought it was a bad deal. it's a problem. we have iran moved 1,500 soldiers into syria last week. we have golan heights, our border with syria, it's a border now with iran and iranian soldiers. russians are in there with anti-aircraft installing as. isis has no aircraft. we're the only ones with aircraft around there. we have problems. a lot of this is flowing from the iran agreement. iran is getting a green light. billions of dollars of sanctions
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released. hezboll hezbollah, terrorist organizations have 100,000 rockets pointed at our homes, more rockets than nato. it's not just the nuclear issue. it's the money, the rocket, the terror. iran is the world's largest state sponsor of terror. we've had the difference between prime minister netanyahu, president obama. the support for israel in this country is under an all-time high. i've come from three days in washington, both houses, both parties, everybody wants to move beyond this disagreement of iran and enable israel, this is an important question for us right now, enable israel to defend itself against new dangers, detore iran and maybe create a situation where golan heights will be free from israel. it's just iran and chaos.
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>> ambassador michael orren, thank you. the book is "ally." read it. we are following the news this morning. let's get to it. moscow steps up its military involvement in syria. >> u.s. intelligence reports suggesting that the russians are moving in ground troops. >> rebel groups opposed to the assad regime may be the real target. >> we can see water at least for a mile. >> nearly 20 inches of rain falling in just one day. >> the water tonights to rise and so does the death toll. >> this is not over. just because the rain stops does not mean that we are out of the woods. in iowa and new hampshire, the top two spots are still filled by candidates who have never held elected office. >> if i was dropping in the polls where i saw that i wasn't going to win, why would i continue? >> the donald trump joins us live on "new day." this is "new day" with chris
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cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to your "new day." in moments, we will speak live with republican front-runner donald trump. stick around for that. but first, we have breaking news to tell you about. russian air strikes reportedly hitting isis targets in palmyra near the ancient ruins of the city. >> this would seem to be the right thing to do if you want to fight against isis. there's been growing concerns there. russia is digging in with not just air but combat troops and heavy artillery are said to be on the move. where are they going? what is their goal? those are the questions. for analysis, answers and reporting, barbara starr live at the pentagon. what do we know. >> reporter: good morning, chris. the ancient city of palmyra, the world has watched in recent weeks as isis has destroyed the ruins there. this morning, syrian state tv
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reporting that russian jets are hitting just next door to this in the modern city, destroying a number of isis targets, not confirmed yet by the pentagon, if they are striking isis, that is a move by the russians we have not seen yet in this area. but at the same time, the nato secretary earle calling russia's incursion into turkish air space unacceptable. russian aircraft appear to be moving around a good deal. at the same time, this is getting more and more complicated, as you just mentioned. the pentagon saying that russian ground forces and heavy weapons also on the move. let's look at the map and show you where this is happening. russian artillery, russian rocket launchers moving from latika, the airfield where the russians moved in on the road between homs, idlib and latakia.
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this is the area where the russians have been concentrating, now moving in with artillery and ground launched rockets. the u.s. believes the russians are moving into this area with their heavy weapons to back up assad's forces in a coming ground assault, not that the russians may be doing it all on their own but clearly moving on the ground to back up assad. michaela? >> barbara, update us as you can. thank you. after five years of intense norngss, the u.s. and 11 other countries finally reach a historic deal, creating the world's largest free trade zone. the transpacific trade deal or tpp has its share of detractors. we go to the white house with more on president obama's legacy defining trade pack and now let the scrutiny begin. >> reporter: that's right, michaela. just reaching this deal for president obama is a big win but he does have to get it through congress in order to solidify this as part of his legacy.
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he certainly does face a tough battle ahead in congress. initial reaction was cautious at best. there's opposition on both sides of the aisle to this deal. and the votes are scheduled potentially for early next year. that's right around the time that we have the early nominating contest for the 2016 presidential race. so certainly this will inevitably be tangled into the politics of the presidential race. we're already starting to hear from some candidates, donald trump came out strongly against it, tweeting, quote, the incompetence of our current administration is beyond comprehension. tpp is a terrible deal. and bernie sanders, senator sanders, also agrees out with a statement to supporters saying, quote, wall street and big corporations just won a big victory to advance a disastrous trade deal. now it's on us to stop it from becoming law. now, the sales job for president obama will start immediately. today he will visit the department of agriculture, chris, to tell the economic benefits that he sees in this
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deal. >> all right. sunlen, there are a lot of issues on the table. let's bring in donald j. trump to get his take on the situation. can you hear me, mr. trump? >> i can, chris. good morning. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." in light of the latest situation of russia bombing, russia putting troops on the ground in support of assad, do you still feel you are in a position to wait and see what russia's intentions are on the ground? >> now they're supposedly hitting isis, which is a positive thing. my attitude is, we're backing rubbles. we have no idea who they are. as you know, we did it in iraq and we did it in other places, many other places. and frankly, every time we just get bogged down in the middle east and russia will be bogged down in the middle east. and the middle east is a disaster, it seems, for anybody that touches it. i would certainly like to see what's going on. i'd like to find out who these people are that we want to give billions of dollars to.
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we have no idea. sure, assad is a bad guy but you can have worse and maybe these people are worse. we have no idea. i spoke to a general the other day who is very well versed in the area, he said we have no idea who these people are we're backing. so we just, look, we have no leadership, bad leadership in washington. we have no idea what we're doing, frankly. >> is wait and see good leadership here? because you would effectively be subcontracting out the war against isis to russia? >> and saving tens of billions of dollars and letting them go after isis. they want to knock out isis also. they don't want them coming into russia. they have a bigger stake, in a sense, than we do, other than if we take 200,000 people who we have no idea who they are. which is the next move we're going to make with our brilliant leaders, our brilliant politicians. >> let's trust russia to take care of isis for us?
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>> we're not trusting russia. russia has to knock out isis because putin and everybody in russia, they don't want them, the leaders in russia, which is basically one, but does not want isis coming into russia. they don't want them crossing borders. they don't want them coming into russia. they will knock out isis whether they want them to or not. >> the concern is that they're backing up assad. >> we don't lead in any event, we don't lead. we spent $2 trillion in iraq and lost thousands of lives and wounded warriors and everything else. we spent 2 trillion there. we've spent a trillion dollars and now it's gone up rapidly in afghanistan. we have -- we just knocked out a hospital with a gang that couldn't shoot straight. we don't know what we're doing and frankly, watching -- you're not hurting yourself by watching and waiting and not necessarily backing people, chris, that we have no idea. you don't know who they are. if i asked you who are the people that we're fighting for and that we're backing in syria, we done the know. you don't know.
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you can't tell me. you probably don't even know a name. >> that's not 100% true. you are right. it is complex, which groups of rebels, john mccain had been wrestling with that very early on, who he took pictures with, who he didn't take pictures with. but here's the thing. they have spent time trying to refine the program. they are trying to get rebel group today's do what you're saying, which is fight their own battle for them so the united states doesn't have to do everything. certainly in a place like syria but the concern for your position would be, you're giving russia time to organize on the ground potentially in support of an assad regime that the u.s. wants to get rid of. that doesn't sound like time well spent, does it? >> if you didn't have -- if the assad regime was in place right now, you wouldn't have the migration of millions of people and all of the problems that that's causing and death, death all over the place. and look, there's nobody that's more into the military and nobody more militaristic than me.
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you have to know when to use it. i was the one, i said it strongly, you know this, it was reported by everybody, because unfortunately i get a disproportionate amount of publicity. in 2004 i said don't go into iraq, earlier in 2003, don't go into iraq. you're going to totally destabilize the middle east. when the terrorists knocked down the world trade center, put their families on airplanes, none of them went back to iraq. they went to a particular other location which i won't even mention. they did not go back to iraq. so you know, you had signals right there. i said don't go, don't knock out iraq because you're going to destabilize -- iraq held iran in check. now iraq is a mess and it's going to be, by the way, taking over by iran very shortly. i said that was going to happen. you know who else has iraq? isis has iraq. isis came out of the rubble of iraq and disenfranchised. they're tough. we have nothing but problems. every move we make is the wrong move. and i was the one that said stay
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out of iraq and if we stayed out of iraq, i mean, if you just look at some of the things -- if we wouldn't have done certain things you'd have not a great place, i don't want to live there. you wouldn't want to live there but you'd have a middle east better off today. >> maybe, maybe not. >> i don't think there's no maybe not. if saddam hussein were around, if we didn't destroy that -- knock the hell out of them so they are no longer -- they're nothing. they used to hold iran in check. they'd have wars forever. back and forth, ten feet left, ten feet right. >> there is a history. you don't know what would have happened is what i'm saying. >> i'm saying sit back, take it easy, relax, save your billions of dollars. let's build some bridges, let's fix roadways in our country. let's rebuild america. make america great again. let's rebuild our military. where, by the way, every time we
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give weapons and humvees and everything to our so-called allies over there, one bullet gets shot up in the air, we give all of this equipment and isis ends up picking it up. >> obviously what you have to do in leadership is balance your priorities. i understand your position on syria, you're taking a wait and see approach with the russians. what about in afghanistan, president obama just said not because of what just happened in kunduz with the hospital you referred to but the instability of the situation, vis-a-vis the taliban and other terrorist entities there, he believes that a force should stay there and fight. do you believe american boots should stay on the ground in afghanistan to stabilize the situation? >> i wouldn't totally disagree with it but at some point, are they going to be there for the next 200 years? at some point what's going on? it's going to be a long time. we made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place. we had brilliant thinkers that didn't know what the hell they were doing. it's a mess. it's a mess.
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at this point, you probably have to because that thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave. just as i said that iraq was going to collapse after we leave. >> you're saying you have to leave troops? >> chris, we shouldn't have gone into iraq. and then we shouldn't have taken our remaining soldiers out. okay? look, eventually it was going to collapse. we're in the middle of civil wars. we're in the middle of tribal strife. there's so many different things going on there, we have no idea. we're backing people in syria. we have no idea who they are. we'll give them billions of dollars to fight assad. they might very well, chris, be worse than assad. we done the know that. they may very well be worse than assad. >> i hear you on that point. if afghanistan you're saying you're with the president, for now you leave the troops there and see what the time horizon is. >> leave the troops there, begrudgingly. i'm not happy about it but yes. >> moving into the domestic situation, the oregon shooting, you know the cries that come out every time there's a school
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shooting. your answer has been thus far, you can't make it stop. there are always going to be some of these no matter what you do. do you think that's the best answer you can give? >> the fact is this is a mental health problem. in this country we've closed for economic reasons as you know, you see it in new york and you see it in many other places where they closed institutions, mental institutions for economic reasons. and it's happening all over the united states, that you know, economies is doing badly, cities are trying to save money. the first thing they close are mental institutions if you can believe it. we have a problem of mental health. this is not the -- the gun didn't shoot. the person shot the gun. frankly, you'll have people, even if you had great mentality health facilities, nobody knew -- when his mother heard about it and when other people in the area heard about it, some of them said i could see that with him. others were very surprised. it's going to be -- it's a very tough situation. and when you go down to -- it
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may not be politically correct but things slip through the cracks. if you go into the future thousands of years, you're going to have crazy things happen and people slip through the cracks. it's a horrible thing to see. one of the things that, you know, you really should focus on is keeping the names down. i really believe the reason we have more of it than other countries and we do, is the copycat. >> that's the easiest part to control, how much attention you give the the shooers. >> you try to give as little sa tension as possible. the sheriff was right not mentioning his name. give as little attention as possible. it is a real problem and it's a major mental health problem we have and other places have. it's interesting, in chicago, in various other places where they have the toughest gun laws anywhere in the world, they have shootings at a level that nobody has even been able to fathom. >> well, the statistics -- i
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want to make two points, ask you about two things. one, what you just said, it really doesn't work that way. it's not as simple as, if you have tough gun law, you have more crime. the opposite is likely to occur. chicago is a complicated area, you're talking about poverty, areas that are neglected, areas that are underpoliced. that's one thing. when you're talking about mass shootings and point to mental health, you say they fall through the cracks, the goal, therefore, is fill in the cracks. >> absolutely. i agree 100%. >> how do you fill in the cracks? >> no matter how well you fill them in, at some point, some wacky, crazy guy with a high iq but who's totally nuts is going to get through that crack. i mean, it's going to happen. it's happened in different forms. i mean, not just this kind of thing. crazy things have happened from the beginning, from the beginning. you go thousands of years into the future, no matter how good
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people -- things will happen. >> done the you think we can get better? >> can i tell you what? you can absolutely make it better and you can fill in the cracks. >> how? >> every once in a while, somebody will get through. >> what do you do, start interviewing people before they get a gun? the way other places do? do you talk to them, call their family, see if they're stable? would you put that type of onus on the process of getting a weapon? >> we have right now in 1998 a lot of legislation was passed. we have good legislation but unfortunately, it's not really working because a lot of people are not utilizing it, including the federal government. the federal government has done a bad job of policing it. we do have existing legislation, which should be very effective and it's not. you know that. >> why is it not? >> they report all the time. it hasn't been effective because the government is not doing a good job in policing it. >> you also have some of the loophole problems, right?
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you have background checks but you don't have them on person-to-person sales in every place. states have to do it for themselves like they dp in new york. you have the gun show loophole that hillary clinton is coming out against. that tries to blunt that in some online sales. these are things going fought back against. are you in favor of closing the loopholes? mpl the one thing i say that's very important, i'm a big second amendment person. if you had somebody in that room or a couple of people in that room who were on the side of good, not evil, and they had guns, you would have stopped the kind of damage that took place. and the cops did a great job, the police did a fantastic job because they got there so quickly. amazing. but you still had lives lost and people badly, badly, really badly hurt. but the police did a fantastic job. if people would have been in that room and had a gun, you would have had a tremendous -- if they knew how to use it, you would have had a whole different
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outcome. >> it's a big if. look at the statistics. you don't know what happens. >> somebody was in that room that knew how to use a gun. by the way, most of the gun holders that do it legally, most of the gun holers know how to use them. if somebody were in that room that had experience with a gun, they would have been able to fight back. they would have shot him maybe before he -- >> maybe. >> before he hurt and killed so many people. >> maybe. maybe they would have shot somebody else. having a weapon when confronted by someone with a weapon can go either way. >> chris, he's in the room. >> i understand the hypothetical. >> there are people that had absolutely no weapon. they're sitting there with their hands up, he had them lined up, stand up and he shoots them. >> it's a terrible situation. >> especially if they said they were christians. he would shoot them in the head. these people are standing there waiting to be slaughter. >> you would rather have a chance to fight back. >> if somebody in the room had a
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gun, at least they'd have a fighting chance. >> that leads to the next question. get rid of gun-free schools, have armed security in schools. is that the answer? >> this was a gun-free school. this was a gun-free area they call it. and frankly, that wasn't working so well. that hasn't worked. how about military bases? how about the five soldiers that were killed? they were actually heroes, experts, a couple of them were expert marksmen, highly decorated soldiers. >> do you change those rules? >> they had a gun-free zone at a base, a military base. >> do you change those rules? >> a guy came in and shot those five db turns out to be six probably, five or six really great, highly decorated soldiers. they were sitting there and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. >> do you change those rules? >> for a military base to have a
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gun-free zone, we've had a couple instances where that took place, it's ridiculous. if they would have had a gun, this guy wouldn't have had a chance. especially with these guys. instead, they're all dead. >> i'm going to take that to mean you would allow military installations to -- people have carry as opposed to -- >> yes, absolutely. military institutions. >> you're open to the idea -- >> lack, these people would be alive. they probably wouldn't have gotten any of them. >> i understand your point. >> they would have been alive. they're sitting there, they had no chance. these are highly decorated military people. these were not just regular people. these were highly decorated, very talented and skilled with weapons. >> i understand your point on that. the schools are more of a complicated situation. there, too, you're saying guns may have made a difference. that's something you'd think about in terms of allowing access. that will be a big part -- >> when the two prisoners escaped in new york that your brother knew well about, that was not an easy task for him
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when they got out, a number of people up in upstate new york are seeing one instance where a husband and wife, he was a very big second amendment person. she was totally against it. when those prisoners got out, it took them -- i think law enforcement did a great job in getting them, frankly, when they -- they were free for a while. all of a sudden she became the biggest advocate because they were sitting in their house in that same very close little area, they were sitting there and they had the protection of having the guns. >> of course the fear -- >> all of a sudden she became a big proponent of the second amendment because they needed protection. >> of course the fear drives that desire to have it. a lot of gun owners respond the same way. i've been in a situation like that. i know what it's like to be afraid that you don't think you have something to defend yourself when somebody else may. the question is what policies do you put in place? do they feed that fear or feed a different interest. let me does you something. do you believe the second amendment, as you call second amendment interest, feeds into
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allowing to have assault weapons? >> the problem is once you stop, once you -- another problem is, the bad guys will have them, chris. you can say, okay, we're not going to have them. you know who will not have the assault weapons? the law-abiding people don't have them. it's like the whole thing with the magazines. you can't put more than seven bullets in a magazine. now they'll have you can't put more than two bullets in a magazine. >> you're open to the assault weapons, too. >> the bad guys, the law says i'm only going to put seven bullets in a magazine. >> you're saying that you're okay with assault weapons as well? >> you have to be because the bad guys will have them anyway. the answer is yes. you know, a lot of that stuff is used for recreational purposes. they use it for recreational purposes. you're not going to have problems with law-abiding people. what happens when the bad guys have the assault weapons and you
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don't? >> that's certainly what feeds the desire to have more guns in society. you have your finger right on that. >> it's one of those things. you have to believe in the second amendment. there's no choice. >> you can believe in it -- >> remember the school. if somebody in that room had a gun, you would not have had -- if they knew how to use it, which i assume the answer would be yes. >> that is not as easy an answer as you make it sound. >> if somebody was in that room, on the military base that had a gun, you would not have had the catastrophic results you had. >> that could be true. it could not be true. certainly you could be in favor of the second amendment and be in favor of reasonable regulations. most gun owners are. let's move on to domestic politics here. you were at the top of all the polls there's a contraction, carly fiorina, carson, depending on the poll, people are catching you. it's making people start to speculate about when you'll get out of the race, which i find unusual. usually a front-runner isn't
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discussed in terms of when they'll get out. i read somewhere where you said if i fell behind badly, i'd get out. >> not even a thought. it's a phony deal that was perpetrated on the public. i was asked a simple question by chuck todd at "meet the press." and people, i gave a very honorable and honest answer. sure, if i was doing terribly like some of these people i wouldn't stay in. who would stay in? but i'm not. i'm leading every single poll. one poll came out yesterday or the other day, i'm at 35% nationally. 35%. i was -- i'm 20 points ahead of everybody else. why would i get out? they asked me a question, instead of saying like these politicians, i watch these guys at 0% and 1% and they ask the same question, will you think about getting out? i'll never get out. you know they'll be out in the next two weeks. they say that because that's a politician. >> i understand where your take is on them. >> no, i'm not getting out.
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i'm not going anywhere, chris. i'm leading every poll. i'm leading every state. i'm not going anywhere. >> good to hear. >> let me answer it differently. i gave an honest answer. if for some reason i had no chance and i collapse and they take that as an, oh, maybe there's weakness in trump in terms of the answer. there's no weakness. i'm not going anywhere. i'm leading every poll. i'm going to win and i'm going to make our country great again. i'm not in this to have self-glorification. i've had plenty of that. i don't need that. i'm in it to make our country great again. right now i'm winning by big numbers. in some cases by really big numbers. >> there is contraction we th, . >> if you look at some of the polls that came out two, three days ago, the nbc poll -- >> put up some of the polls. >> the nbc poll was 29%, the oan polls i was at 35%.
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that came out two days ago. >> the numbers are coming down a little bit, others are moving up. >> there's contraction in your mine, chris. everybody says in the meantime -- >> there's contraction in math. it's math. it's not my mind. 29 to 24. that's math, not my mind. >> why aren't you quoting the polls where there's 20 points. >> i'm showing the new hampshire and iowa one. my question is, you hear people saying you should get out -- >> i don't hear that, chris. i don't hear that. he asked the question. >> you do hear it. romney's guy went on and said i think he'll get out before iowa. >> if i thought i wasn't going to win, i'm not a masochist. i told him that. i'm not a masochist. they end up saying trump, look, he might -- it's so disgusting. i tell you what, the media is so dishonest and so disgusting. >> i'm trying to ask you honest questions. >> i'm giving you an answer. let me make it a little different. i'm not getting out. i'm going to win. okay? i gave a very honest answer but
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the press takes an answer like that and they make it like oh, there's a big story, they make headlines out of it. it's ridiculous. >> let's move on. >> the question is would you get out? the answer is i'm going all the way and we're going to win. it's a simpler answer and people can't play around with that. i watch these politicians. you know they're getting out in the next two weeks. they say i'm never getting out. they're not telling the truth. >> i take your answer on that. you're not getting out. >> i am not getting out. okay. very simple. >> you sent marco rubio the gag gift with the water and all that. interestingly, guys out his camp are saying, yes, he can send us all the water he wants. would was tired in that debate, 37 minutes, donald trump wasn't just outplayed, he was tired. he's 69, he's old. he's not in shape for this. that's the response coming out of the camp. >> they didn't ask me any questions. every poll, drudge, "time" magazine, slate, everybody
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single poll had me winning that debate. every single poll that was done, other than pundits, nobody said i lost it. every poll. when you talk about the 39 minutes, i didn't say anything. you know awhy i didn't say anything? they didn't ask me any questions because the first two hours, all they did was ask me questions and they felt stupid, cnn felt stupid and probably guilty and i agreed with them, because every question was about me or -- >> people were weighing in. >> wait a minute. >> people were weighing in. seems like you could have weighed in, you just didn't. >> how can i speak -- how can i speak, okay? and how can i answer questions when they done the ask me any questions. >> you have no problem speaking when not asked a question. >> that's not right. i was asked many questions and then in the last 38 minutes they didn't ask me any questions. so a lightweight like this rubio, who's a total lightweight, believe me, he's weak on immigration. he has such problems. >> he's coming up in the polls.
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a lot of people think he has promise. he says you're the old generation. >> he's lightweight, weak on immigration. take a look at his past. he has $12 in the bank. he borrows, works with his car dealer in florida. give me a break. rubio is not the guy going to be negotiating with the kind of people you have to negotiate with to turn this country around. just so you understand, very simple, he attacked me first, i didn't attack him. he says in the last 28 minutes, i usually use 28. now he says 38. i would have been glad to answer questions. >> mr. trump, good to have you hear answering questions. i'm in the unique position of telling you you have to go. this interview must end. donald j. trump, thank you very much for joining us on "new day." >> thank you. >> we just heard from donald trump. reaction to what the republican front-runner told chris in that interview will be here on "new day."
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welcome back to "new day." moments ago chris spoke with gop presidential candidate donald trump. i see you're hydrating after that. >> i wasn't really talking. >> let's bring in cnn's chief national correspondent john king to help us break it down. hi, john. >> good morning. >> so tell us what jumped outality you from chris's great interview. >> number one at the end, we get to the horse race part of it, how emphatic it was. he told chuck todd something he actually said before. he said it before,fy tank, i'm get out. because that's getting so much traction right now, donald trump clearly wanted to make the point i'm not going anywhere. he is down a bit in the poll. chris rightly calling it contraction. he's still the leader we'll tested this. the next republican debate is
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three weeks from now. once that debate is over, we're inside 100 days until the iowa caucuses. let's see what happens after the next debate when we get to the horse race questions. we'll see if it's a relevant question, whether he continues to go down in the polls or rebounds. chris pressed him on gun control. he was emphatic there. he does not believe in banning asaul weapons. that's a shift for donald trump from about 15 years or so when he was thinking about running in 2000 as the reform party candidate he did back at salt weapons ban. you can say people change their minds. people certainly do. all of us have changed our minds or you could say he was running as an independent, now he's running as a republican. the first three states are big gun rights states like iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. that's forrette voters too decide. >> he seems straight line on it. he believes the bad guys don't go through background checks to get their guns. minimize that, maximize the ability to protect yourself against shows who would want to harm you with weapons that is a
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very controversial notion, john, talk about the idea of whether or not having a gun makes it better when you're in a situation where there is a gun. >> this is a debate that's divided the political parties. it divides sometimes when you have conversations with law enforcement groups and the like. there's no question, the national rifle association and hillary clinton is trying to wage a political battle against the national rifle association has said give teachers guns. put more guns out there. as donald trump said the good people can rise up against evil in those situations. there are other people who say what a horrible decision that would be. you'd have more guns in a crowded theater or classroom. more innocence could be shot and killed. this is a debate you see across our owe site in politics right now. there is no middle ground on this one. one point on that, though, if you listen to what mr. trump said, he does make the point that resources for mental health are in decline in this country. that's wrong in his view. that's an area wherey you strip
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away some of the heated rhetoric, you have people on the left and the right, if you could get them into a room, might be able to reach agreement on mental health resources. the nra will tell the conservatives don't go into that room because they'll bring up gun controls. the left will tell them, don't go into that room because they wouldn't give you what you want. if you could get people to say, let's try on this one issue, you might be able to get a consensus on mental health. >> did he go far enough on that? you pressed him about school shootings and mass shootings. people will slip through the cracks, quote, this has happened for thousands of years. is that the kind of leadership, john, people are looking for on this issue? we keep hearing that level of resignation from some candidates. you know, stuff happens. there's nothing we can do about it. >> it's a position that puts him in sync with many voters in this country, especially the voters he is most desirable, meaning
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conservative republican primary voters. if you travel the country, this is an issue, that is no offense to anybody. if you're in manhattan or chicago or san francisco, this is a very different conversation than if you're in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, or across texas. our good friend paul begala comes in here from time to time. he's a hunter. he would say, as chris said, you can be for the second amendment and be for reasonable regulation. "a," people who live in urban areas or people who are strongly for gun control need to respect the 99.9999% of americans who own guns and are law abiding citizens. my dad was a jail guard. he taught us at a young age how to use guns. the problem with this issue, people have become so polarized. the right says obama will knock at your doors and take away your guns. the left says these people are crazies, they want more guns on the street. nobody will have the conversation that might get you some low-hanging fruit of middle ground that conversation we
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haven't tried for a long time. >> isn't that the role of the leader? and of a politician to try to bring those -- a solution. people are look for solutions. >> you're trying to galvanize a base. >> i do think it's interesting when he brings up the mental health part. the challenge is, if you could get a michael bloomberg and donald trump into the same room, they wouldn't agree on hardly anything when it comes to guns. you have to take it one step at a time. our political system doesn't support that right now. >> there you go, john. on that note of conciliation, let's leave it there, john. thanks so much. the first democratic debate where this is sure to come up, hosted by cnn and facebook, one week away, be sure to watch one week from tonight, october 13th at 8:30 eastern right here on cnn. do you have a question that you'd like asked of the candidates during the democratic debate? head on over to cnn's facebook
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russian air strikes hitting targets near the ancient ruins near palmyra. what are they really doing there? that's the big question. let's talk to a man who has great perspective on this, tony blair, the former british prime minister and the founder of the tony blair faith foundation. that word, faith, key. we'll talk about its role in all of this. the latest news, what russia is doing there. what do you believe is the right level of skepticism of the motives of the russians? >> i think the motives of the russians are absolutely clear, to protect their interest. that means protecting the regime of assad. this is action designed to do that. and this is all about what happens after the conflict ends. when it ends, if it ends. and the purpose of what the russians are doing is to increase leverage to make sure they get the outcome they want. therefore, what's very important
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for us, because there is no future for syria if assad stays in place, is to signal our intent and to increase our leverage to make sure the outcome of those negotiations is one which can stabilize the country and give us some prospect of the country being brought back together. >> now that russia is bombing sites, what is the u.s. and british leverage? >> our leverage really depends on what we intend to do. look, if you go back several years, it's been clear right from the very beginning, if we want to say in the outcome of what is happening in syria, we have to be prepared to commit. personally, the british parliament played a significant and, in my view, adverse, part in this two years ago when we didn't take action on the use of chemical weapons in syria. for several reasons that i understand, it was more difficult to signal that we were prepared to i havea stake in
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the outcome. we can give greater weapons to the opposition we support. people look at syria and say why should we support anyone there? aren't they all as bad as each other? the answer is that there is a majority of the country that probably does want a stable and religiously tolerant outcome to this. but they're caught between these twin evils, essentially, a regime that's barrel bombing and starving and beating its population into submission and then isis and some of these other extremist groups who are trying to take as much territory as they can in order to establish some sort of caliphate there. what is important is that we arm those groups that are actually fighting on the side we wish to come out on top on this. we can do things like create enclaves where the syrian opposition can congregate and where we can arm and train people. we can make it clear to the russians that we're not prepared to tolerate a situation where they are bombing effectively,
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people that we are supporting. because a lot of the air strikes they've been doing so far have not been air strikes aimed at isis. they are air strikes that are specifically. we in europe by the way, we can see what we got at stake in this. we've now got hundreds of thousands of refugees in syria coming to europe. we have a refugee crisis, we frankly done the really know how to handle. turkey has 2 million refugees, syrian refugees, inside its country at the moment. the surrounding countries are being destabilized. action is difficult but inaction is also a problem. >> the humanitarian, struggle of trying to deal with the refugees fleeing that war-torn country. it brings many he to the work that your foundation is doing, the faith foundation. the idea of preventing radical extremism, right, it's sort of this elusive thing that so many
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nations are struggling with. and especially when you think about all the refugees fleeing countries. there is concern that among those refugees could be a person that will have those feelings foment within them when they struggle to adapt to their new environment. how do you counteract that? >> absolutely. you've got hundreds of thousands of hrefugees, potentially millions coming into wrure into. there will be people's who ideology we don't know. we can't be sure at this point in time. that's why you have to deal with the source of the problem which is the conflict in syria and the whole purpose of what we do in our foundation is to say religious extremism is a major part of this issue. and you can't really deal with it unless you deal with the issue of religion in its own terms. >> it means that you accept this
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perversion of islam is the source of the problems in the middle east. you have to have a concerted effort to attack the religious basis of this extremism and you've got to go to the education systems of countries in the region and elsewhere. because it's not just in the middle east by the way. it's in africa, million of people displaced in africa at the moment, central asia, the far east. this is a huge problem. you have to go to the education systems in those countries and we have to use our negotiating power and might with these countries to say you have to reform the education systems educating millions of young people day in and day out to the view of the world that is narrow-minded. >> you put out a new report this morning, "inside the jihadi mind." you have regulations on regular people on how to deal with it as well as governments. political leaders must not shy away from identifying ideology and warped understanding of theology as a cause of modern terrorism.
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the king of jordan, and british prime minister david cameron have led the way. you don't mention president obama in there. do you think he's handling this right? >> no. i think he held the conference the other day on violent extremism that david cameron was speaking at. the point i'm making is, there's no point in tackling the violence unless you tackle the ideology of extremism behind the violence. one of the things we do, we say if you survey people in majority muslim countries, many of them at least, you will find large proportions of those populations share a lot of the basic thinking. they don't share the violence. a lot of them would criticize the violence. for example, three-quarters of people in many of those countries believe that it's their job to stand up for an islamic society against what the united states is trying to do. so you've got these broad
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ideological strands that lie behind a lot of the extremism. if you take, for example, some of the organizes in the middle east, some of the clerics putting out the most extreme stuff, they'll have twitter followings that go into millions of people. these people are saying things about jewish people, even those within their own religion that are different that we would regard as completely unacceptable and it's that -- it's those waters of extremism in which the violent extremists can swim. >> what is your advice to what's going on in our presidential election? >> the smile on his face already. >> this issue has -- weighed in several different ways. what is your advice to the american electorate as they're assessing where to be vis-a-vis is it justice slam or is it islamic extremism and whether the idea of whether a muslim could be president of the united states. these are all debatable issues in this country right now. what's your advice. >> first of all, i have enough problems in british politics
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without offering you advice about american politics. i think the important thing is to realize, the majority of people within islam do not support either the violence or the ideology. what we are talking about, however, is a radical islamist way of thinking that results in extremism by small numbers of people but that thinking is shared by larger numbers of people and you've got to attack both. the violence and the extremism. the thinking behind it. and in the end, you know, people look at the middle east. i know this having gone through this in government. they say, well, who are the good guys? who do we back in this? here is some good news in amongst all this turmoil. there are -- there is a majority of people within islam who actually do support rule-based economies and open religiously tolerant societies much we've g got to support them in a long process of transition, where
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they throw out old dictatorships. what comes next? that's the question. a battle between those that have an islamist view and those who want to live like us. >> former prime minister tony blair, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you very much. an update on south carolina, dams breaking there, submerging entire communities. thousands are without power. many without clean drinking water. we'll speak with the mayor of one of the hardest hit cities to ask how the citizens of his community are coping. and if there is relief in sight. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. find a certified financial planner professional who's thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan.org.
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>> "new day" with chris cuomo, allsyn cammarata and michaela pereira. >> time is running out to find survivors from the missing containership. it is believed have sunk after taking a direct hit from hurricane joaquin. >> the coast guard says the ship suffered a loss of propulsion leaving it helpless. 34 people were on board at the time. 28 of them americans. >> reporter: the hope is still there, so the search continues. we know the coast guard was out there through the night. they have so far recovered an empty lifeboat, deflated life raft, life saving rings and preserver and the body of one person on board.
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but they continue to look for more survivors. >> overnight, a separate search. a u.s. coast guard member seen carrying this relovrd life ring back to land the ship now likely on approximate the floor f caribbean sea. after hurricane joaquin zeroed in on their location. >> if the vessel did sink and they were able to abandon ship, they were abandoning into the category 4 hurricane. >> empty lifeboat, human remains. many are now wondering why would the ship set sail with a hurricane brewing, with the winds and the waves. >> that is what i don't like. i don't think they they should shipped them out. that makes no sense to me at all. >> slip's owners telling the
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associated press the captain had planned to bypass the storm but with was unable to because of the mechanical failure. >> can i assure you that there is no schedule that is more important to keep that would in anyway danger the lives of our crew members or employees. >> officials concluding el faro sank near the bahamas in about 15,000 feet of water. families cling to the hope that their loved once are out there. >> may still be alive and that's why we're out there. >> ench everyone's energy is focused on finding the 32 others. the big questions to ask, what caused the ship to sink and lose propulsion? and they are spending that go team down there to jacksonville to conduct interviews and look at willing logs and also hope
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they will find the ship's data recorder. >> the families need some answers. thanks. to south carolina, nine damns breached, submerging entire neighborhoods. 13 deaths so far. and the worst may still be cto come. nick valencia live in one of the hardest hit areas. >> reporter: welcome news from an area that's just been pounded by historic rain, the sun is out. water levels are receding and that is the good news. yesterday at this times it was about chest high. here you can see just about ankle deep. but the threat from the public is far from over. officials in south carolina waking up to lingering fears that more catastrophic flooding and new damn breeches could be on the way. >> from the river standpoint we haven't hit the worst yet. >> fine damns failing, buckling
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under the pressure of historic rains. some areas seeing more than 20 inches. the deluge to blame for more than a dozen deaths in the carolin carolinas. >> just because the rain stops doesn't mean ore wut of the woods. >> claiming the life of a man driving with a female passenger, the vehicle careening through barricades. she survived, pulled from the overturned wreckage amid rushing car. and here a chilling rescue of a different kind. from a nearby cemetery. >> somebody's family out there. we got to respect the dead. >> this man risking his own life venturing into waist deep water. in the hard hit area of downtown columbia, the river peeking to its highest in decades. now at least six nearby states sending emergency workers into the south carolina for added flood relief.
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so far 1300 national guard members are on duty. crews and blackhawk helicopters leading statewide rescue efforts. >> sad because people have lost their businesses. they have lost homes. and it affected everybody across the border. did not discriminate. >> asking president obama to declare south carolina a major disaster area ordering frail aid. >> with the better weather, officials can get a better sense of the catastrophic damage that has his columbia and beyond. the cost of this clean up estimated in the hundreds of millions. >> the image of the man trying to save the casket is so telling of what people are dealing with down there. we have heard and over and over again that it has stopped raining. but officials keep warning everybody now is not the time to let your guard down. it is not even necessarily the time to leave your home.
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as we just heard from nick, 13 people have been killed across the carolinas, mostly in traffic accidents. we want to bring in now the mayor of columbia, south carolina, steven benjamin. we're happy to see that it looks sunny behind you. but why are you not out of woods? >> i tell you, the sun is out. our motto here is that we're famously hot. columbia, south carolina. we haven't seen the sun in several days. hopefully this is a sign of things to come. but yeah we are close to being out of the woods. of course two major damn breaks yesterday. we still expect the waters to start coming down from the upstate, downhill to the midlands. a number of people displaced. spent a good bit of time at the shelter last flight. the high school just down the street from here. it's been hard warming to see people working together and taking care of each other. we got a long way to go.
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>> we'll get there. >> we were just looking at all the dams that have been breached. do you fear there might be more today. >> there are still dams threatened. our first responders are wrapping up a meeting right now. we'll have up to date information i make sure we'll share with cnn and everyone else. but there are some issues that are very real and we're going to keep the public informed. thank you for your around the clock coverage of this issue. in times like this whether it is on traditional media or on the internet it is so important that people have up to date information. and you have been essential in making sure your constituent, wravr they happen to be have the information. >> nick was just reporting that 13 people across the carolinas last their lives in this storm. 11 in your state of south
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carolina. were most of these people washed away in cars? >> it's been a mixture. but we did have at least two fatalities here, folks who were washed way in their vehicles. it's tragic. we've had to go of course to some extraordinary measures, imposing a curfew for the last two nights. we're going reassessed it today and take it day by day. but the challenges you see in the daytime and are almost invisible at night. trying to keep people off the roads and making sure resident cr rescuers have the time to do what they need to. we had families lose everything they had. working two jobs, going to school as well. it's tragic. going around the entire country and indeed around the world telling people about what makes this a special place to live.
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and we're seeing that in the kindness and charity and coming together of this entire community right now. >> but understand that 550 roads and bridges have been closed. some of them subsumed by water. do you feel that the state closed the roads soon enough as the storm was a approaching? >> it is important to say. i think that the leadership that's been provided by our governor, by our general who runs our national guard, local law enforcement across the board, great support from the federal government. it's been excellent. nothing is going to ever go perfectly but everyone's been working together very well. and we're very proud of that. this is a 1,000 year event. how do you prepare for it? i'm not sure you can fully prepare for it. what you can do is respond to it. and we made the priority of saving lives our number one priority. and then making sure that people
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have some basic quality of life. shelter, food, clean water to drink. everyone's come together to make sure that's happened. once we're done with that, we'll have a chance to do a full assessment. once the water abates we'll look at infrastructure and make sure the roads are safe. but everyone's been working together. the good block e cleez yastis talks about time and plays for everything. the time right now is to work together to preserve human life. nothing else. >> mayor benjamin, appreciate your time and best of luck as you continue the hard work down there. >> thank you. >> so a big part of what is going to make the difference in south carolina is leadership. that takes us to the big leadership conference, the race for trump. trump just on. we pressed him on issues facing the country and world. he's definitely digging in his heels in the fight against isis
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saying the u.s. should let russia take the lead. and also donald trump pushing back hard on the prediction that he'd be out of the race come early next year. that came from a romney consultant. and he also talked a lot about gun control. take a look. >> i'm a very big second amendment person. and if you had somebody in that room or a couple of people in that room who were on the side of good, not evil and they had guns you would have stopped the kind of damage that took place. and the cops did a great job because they got there so quickly. amazing but you still had lives lost. but the police did a fantastic job. but if people would have been in that room and if they would have had a gun, you would have had a tremendously -- if they knew how to use it. you would have had a whole different outcome. >> it is a big if when you look at the statistics. it is a big if because you don't
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know what happens. >> somebody in the room that knew how to use the gun and was trained and most of the gun holders that tight legally. most of know how to use them. they would have shot him maybe before he hurt and killed so people. >> maybe they would have shot somebody else. and you look at the research on this, having a weapon when confronted by someone with a weapon can go either way. >> he's in the room --ient peop innocent people. he had them lined up. stands up and shoots them. especially when they said they were christians. and these people were just standing there waiting to be slaughtered. >> you would rather have a chance to fight back, absolutely. >> if somebody had a gun in the room at least they would have had a fighting chang chance. >> i read somewhere that you said if i fell behind badly, i'd get out.
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are you thinking about when you would get out of this race? >> not even a thought. not even 1% of a thought. look, it is a phony deal that was perpetrated on the public. i was asked a simple question but chuck todd at meet the press. and people i gave a very honorable and honest answer. i said sure, if i was doing terribliry, like some of these people i wouldn't stay in. but i'm leading every poll. one poll came out yesterday or the other day i'm at 35% nationally. 35%. i'm 20 points ahead of everybody else. why would i get out? so they ask me a question. and instead of saying like these politicians, i watch these guys down at zero and 1%. and they ask the same question. what do you think about getting -- oh i'll flenever get out. and you know they are going to be out in the next two weeks. but they say. >> they understand that is your take on them. >> i'm not going anywhere, chris. i'm leading every pole. i'm leading every state.
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i'm not going anywhere. i gave a very honest answer. i said, look, if some reason i had no chance and i collapsed and they take that as an oh maybe there is a little weakness in trump in terms of the answer. there is the answer. i'm not going anywhere. i'm leading every poll and i'm going win and i'm going to make our country great again. i'm not in this to have self galorification. i've had plenty of that. i don't need that. i'm in it to make the country great again. and right now i'm winning by really big numbers and i have -- i'm not getting out. >> you send rubio the gag gifts. guys out of his camp, he can send all the water he wants. who was tired in that debate? 37 minutes donald trump just wasn't outplayed in terms of substance. he was tired. he's 69, he's old.
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he's not in shape this. that is the response out of the camp. >> a lightweight like rubio. >> he's coming up in the polls. >> -- [ inaudible ] he's a lightweight. he's weak on immigration. take a look at his past. he's got 12 dollars in the bank. he borrows, he works with his car dealer in florida. give me a break. rubio is not the guy that is going to be negotiating with the kind of people you have to negotiate with to turn this country around. >> donald trump. discuss. >> a new e are that politics. he talks about counterpunching the $12 in the bank. the way he refers to the other people that potentially, you know, also are trying to be president. it is a new era, matt. >> absolutely. next he'll be prank calling him. he sent him the gag gift of water. and didn't he send a picture of a young marco rubio and said
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like "young rube" i think he labor dayed labeled it. >> i think this is old school politicking on a ham-fisted level. which works. because for donald trump it place his authenticity of not wanting to play the games people usual play. but here is the reality. there is contraction. he does have fiorina and carson and others, rubio certainly one of them moving up. he have to do moo more over time. because he has a built in big negative and he knows that. it will be interesting to see how he responds going forward because that will determine how long he stays? >> we do want to get to breaking news for you. because russian air strikes reportedly hitting isis targets in the syrian city of palmyra. amid growing concern about u.s. official's and moscow's
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maneuvers in syria with combat troops and heavy artillery said on on the the move. >> reporter: good morning. look at the video. this is the ancient city of palmyra where isis has a stronghold. they have already destroyed much of these historic ruins. next in the moderate city russian aircraft have begun air strikes against isis elements here. the u.s. not able to confirm the air strikes yet. it would be a big move however if the russians are moving into this area of syria. real isis strongholds, the group they claim they have been going after. let's look at the map in western syria. u.s. officials are saying hear in western syria russian ground weapon, ground troops to operate these weapons are on the move. that artillery and rocket launchers that were out the air show in la dwrak are out on the
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a week to go until the first big democratic debate. hillary clinton is highlighting differences with the bernie sanders on gun control. and doubling down on the attack against the benghazi committee in a new ad out this morning. joining us to success her strategy, ohio dmakt democrat, surrogate for the clinton campaign. congressman tim ryan. whereas the deal with this new ad? the strategy? >> to reveal the truth reel. we see what was going on. we knew what was going on. but to actually have someone in house leadership, to say the truth, they were using this money, 4.5 million dollars, 16 months to bring down her numbers is pretty revealing and i think provide answer opening for her. >> the spin is you were saying is statement from the majority leader was about it being a
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political device. and he and many other republicans are saying no. it is that what came out of these investigations tarnished the ability of clinton to be trusted. and that is what brought her numbers down. are you spinning this. >> well that is what you would say. i think if you watch it was quite clear. he was trying to prove his bone feeds to hannity and the tea party members and the house of representatives why he would be -- embody the hate and anger for hillary clinton some of them do. and his example was look at what we did. we started this committee. and i think if you listen to the clip he revealed whether the republicans are trying to do and that is bring her down. because they don't want to run against her. >> some would suggest it is exactly who they want to run against. don't you have to be a little careful when you are saying it's purely political and so much tired in desire for
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accountability and answers in a situation that remains cloudy for many. >> clearly this was a tragedy not. question. but $4.5 million, 16 months? it's still going on. no end in sight. constant leaks and a lack of real professionalism which signals this is about damaging hillary, not about getting to the truth. and this chi committee's been together and around a lot longer than other committees. >> what do you think about the leaks? >> i i tlit think it's unprofessional. when you have a committee that is supposed to be a serious discussion and evaluation of a tragedy that happened in a country leaking out information that is constantly going to be spun through the media, through fox news and others to try to damage hillary, it is clear it is a tactic for them. >> and the idea that the democrats are going to do the same? is that the two wrongs make a right. >> what doe you mean?
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>> you are hearing from the democratic side, maybe we'll start leaking too then is that the way to play the game. >> there is an element of the pettiness in current politics. i don't think everything can defend. but the reality is they are using taxpayer money. this is not the republican national committee. this is your tax dollars going to do this investigation, to damage someone that is not in government right now that is in a political contest. i think that's, you know, out of bounds. >> what happens if in this first debate bernie sanders comes out and just blows her away. seems to have better answers, has the momentum coming out. what will it make you think about the best thing you can do for your party. >> i just don't think it's going to happen. >> hashtag feel the burn. >> i don't feel the burn. i work with bernie. i have. >> tens of thousands are coming to watch him. >> well he's a great guy. but the reality of it is hillary clinton is prepared. just take the last two or three
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stories you have run here talking about syria with tony blair. talking about infrastructure in south carolina. look where she is now, she's up 20 nationally in the primary. >> polls are tightening though. >> up 21 in iowa last poll i saw. up 31 in south carolina. 37 in florida. she has strong leads. strong with progressives. strong with women obviously. >> she's up five now over sanders in the latest poll here. there is some contraction. to what do you account? >> we knew it was going to tighten. when you have the united states house of representatives spending $4.5 million the dirty you up and damage you, you are going to have contraction. the reality is if you look at all of those polls and the last three i just cited she has a strong lead in all of them. >> how much val do you think hillary clinton show put into
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the campaign trail, val being the bartender she played on saturday night live. >> she's funny, relaxed, sentimental, warm and to see it come out with val was pretty cool. >> congressman. appreciate the look into the strategy of the campaign. we look forward to talking the to you again. >> thanks chris. >> so like we've been talking. this is the way you measure, the way you test, what you work off of. debate, the first democratic one, hosted by cnn and facebook. please watch. 8:30 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. do you have a question? of course you do. head over to cnn's facebook page or record a short video or use instagram #demdebate. >> i worry that you had to audit that last part. >> you should see the videos i get, mick. >> okay. >> all men. old men. >> i feel like it is prudent to move on.
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>> donald trump exercising attacks on the rubio. calling him a lightweight who only has $12 in the bank. what is up with his beef with rubio? we're going to bring in our experts.
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here we go with the five things for your new day, the focus of the search for the missing containership shifting to find survivors. video of the coast guard taking off for the search this morning. the ntsb is investigating. t >> at least dine dams breeches in south carolina. several more monted. the historic flooding has taken 13 lives. and ground troops on the move in syria. this amaid reports that russian air strikes hit isis targets near palmyra. in the deadly doctors without borders hospital bombing
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in kunduz in afghanistan. afghan forces called for americans to carry out the strike because they were under taliban fire. president obama will head to oregon friday to meet with survivors from the tragedy and family members. nine were killed, nine others injured in last week's shooting. donald j trump made it very clear to us here on "new day," he is going nowhere. forget anything else about what he said about when he might get out or why. not going to happen. what he said in our interview and what it means for you as the voter ahead.
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there is no weakness. i'm not going anywhere. i'm leading every poll and i'm going win and i'm going to make our country great again. i'm not in this to have self glorification. i've had plenty of that. >> that was trump debunking any rumors of an exit from the race. let's get reaction from anna navarro. a good friend of the mar cue ro rubio and the rubio supporter. and the jeffrey lord is here who is a trump supporter. rumors of the trump's demise are greatly exaggerated. he says hoot he's not going
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anywhere. >> i don't think he's going anywhere for any time soon until his numbers go down. if and when that happens then maybe. until there is no reason for him do that. i thi--. i think you are going to see trump make a play in florida. i think he's enjoying. this he has a great time with it. his numbers are up. it is good for his brand. and i don't think there is enough self glorification when it comes to donald trump. i don't think he's reached his limit yet. >> exactly. >> he's enjoying this so much allsyn that he tweeted to chris almost within microseconds of going off the air a poll that showed him at 25%. so i think he really is enjoying this and he is definitely not going anywhere. >> i don't think he's enjoying that question though. because he is crushing me on twitter right now. >> he has gone off about the interview with chris.
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he says -- well he's retweeting this one. trump shuts down cuomo. i am not getting out. cuomo tries sleazy tricks. >> and that is from my mother. >> ethic fail. unprofessional. and that was from andrew. >> there is one thing i think is really fascinating here. and that is how he has been able to use twitter to great effect here throughout this campaign. i really do think, you know, this is the future here for a lot of candidates. for all the candidates. but he really has become the pioneer over this. and he's really good at it. >> what happened? i asked him something based off what he said. i said it was unusual for a front runner to be questioned this way. he said i'm not getting out. we talked about the contraction in the polls, which is fact, as you well know. for him to give an analysis of why it is. >> a little bit. but let's not be drastic. we're not down at rand paul
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levels. >> be why does that make me unprofessional and terrible? >> well i think he likes to do his thing and i think he likes to yank your chain chris when you yank his. there is nothing unusual about this. as i say the one new factor here is the twitter feed, which he uses to great effect. but anna is right. he's tihiring all these people different states. h he's doing well. a cleolleague in iowa said he's really got a ground operation in iowa. he's definitely not going anywhere. >> the reason it makes you unprofessional and terrible. it is not you. it is him. it works for his narrative. feeding this donald trump persona we've all come to know from the show. the billionaire jerk who says what he wants is what keeps him alive. this is a guy not spending any
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money on paid media. he's got fabricate it through koefrs. >> he said in the interview he doesn't like that he gets so much attention from the media by the way. >> that's not true. he's on it constantly. if he chris cuomo is a guy with great big blue eyes and big biceps, nobody going to retreat. >> he said a pathetic interviewer as usual. >> don't enjoy it so much by the way. if i retweet something you own what you're retweeting. i know people say retweet is not endorsement. unless you undermine the premise of what you retreat. you are just owning it and putting in someone else's month. come on, you know what he's doing. >> this is like being on cnn or some other network and being
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responsible for everything the network airs. that is just not sew. >> i think if something happen offense don lemon's show i can say go talk to crazy don. but if i retweet i'm giving ownership of it. >> this is going to last for days. >> we do have the another story to cover. >> i really think we should get you to read the mean tweets. maybe in italian. >> great idea. >> i'm glad you are all enjoying this. >> we do have to talk with what's going on in joe biden. there is a story in politico this morning that suggest it was joe biden himself who leaked the information about what his son bo biden wanted on his death bed that he wanted his father to run for president. >> i'm not surprised. i know joe biden and when i read that story, i thought boy, this
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sounds like. joe biden. >> so that means he wants to run. can i extrapolate. >> or he thought it was poignant and important for people to know. >> and he leaked i i thought not only as the politician but as a father in mourning. and must have been cathartic for a guy who emotes and shares and talks about his feelings and pains to talk about those last conversations with bo and what was on his mind. but absolutely he's thinking about it and i think we're going hear very very soon from him. >> final word jeffrey? >> that's well said. joe biden is a fabulous politici politician. but he's a normal guy. suffered serious tragedy and the things may merge a bit and this is his way of getting things out in the open. and this is what he his son wanted him to do so he's saying it. >> i'm going ig on record and
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saying run joe run. i think he'd be a great candidate and make it interesting. >> thanks so much. i've got to get back to reading a a all the mean tweets. [ laughter ] >> they all love it. >> all right we're going talk baseball playoffs right after the break. cal ripken, jr. and ron darling join us. n quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. (cafeteria noise) ♪ ♪ (flourish spray noise)
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the baseball playoffs are about to begin. this is such a treat to give us a peek into the post league
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season. cal ripken, jr. and ron darling. i'm in legendary status sitting beside the two of you. how you doing? >> pretty good. i'd much lather be playing than talking about it. >> i guess there is that. the greatest job on earth. but you wish you were playing. i'm sure you feel the same yea. >> being broad broadcaster it's the closest way you can get next to the game you love. you grew up plach playing it and now you have to watch it. >> not a lot is locked in but one thing for sure the cards. they have had a great season. your thoughts right there. >> the cardinals are just an example of a great organization. no matter what seems to happen. when they have injuries they seem to fill that void and we learn of a new player coming in. mike methini is a relatively new manager, gaining experience all the time but a very good one.
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and he's doing a fantastic job. so they have to be considered the front runners, best record in baseball. >> we know there are lots of speculation and prediction about whew will get that wild card spot between the pirates and cubs. >> i think it's pretty much determined they will both make the playoffs. the only thing that hasn't been determined is which will host the game. so those two teams have the best record in the national league. and you would think they would have an opportunity besides just a one-game sunday death playoff. but that is the way the wild card system is and i like it. >> the cubs have a new pitcher, jon lester. >> they spent a lot of money on the left hander in lester who's been really good this year. but jake arrieta has been even better. they probably signed the most important free agent last year, joe maddon, the manager.
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he's turned this cubby franchise who were -- i don't know. they were in a state of flux of are we ever going to win this thing? are we ever getting in the post season? and they are this year. >> what do you think is going to take for your team to make it big this year. >> i think they have to get their pitching in line. they are as deep with young pitching as any organization in all of baseball. they have to decide if they are going to push those guys in october during the postseason. so they have a lot of ports that could produce a long run. we were talk about the kansas city royals last year. and the mets could be that team this year. >> i'm from out west. i have to ask about the dodgers. they have a fierce duo in kershaw and greinke. do you think they have what it takes? >> it's interesting for the dodgers. if kershaw and greinke with are
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what they have been all season long it is going to be very hard to beat them. the problem is every time the dodgers have gone against the cardinals kershaw has struggled. but kershaw and greinke, if they are in the playoffs, i think they make it through. >> talk about the recent passing of a legend on the field and off. your thoughts on the great the legend yogi berra. the character he was. >> when i think of yoga, i just smile. that is the feeling you get first. it is sad we've lost him. but in many ways you just feel all happy and you remember the times that you were with him and you remember the happiness he brought. he was a special man. >> he really was. >> outside of a great baseball player, hefrs a special man. >> a special man who made a lifetime's work of baseball. >> he's a slice of americana. and very few reach that status. this guy might be like that too. >> i think i'm in the presence
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of greatnesses. this has been a treat for me to sit here and talk baseball with two of the game's best. thanks very much for indulging just little ole me. >> the exclusive tv home of the 2015 national league post season. chris back to you. >> all right. that was good stuff. and now we have some more coming up. stick with us for the "good stuff"
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