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. >> new concerns this morning about russia. action inside syria troops on the ground the planes in the air, the united states is not the only country issuing dire warnings right now. word just coming in of new strikes overnight with are live with the latest. >> isis influence growing in
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afghanistan, according to a top u.s. commander who says the situation on the ground could mean big changes could u.s. troops be forced to stay there? a biden family meeting. could the questions finally be answered? will he enter the presidential race as soon as monday? >> has he answered the question? that's what i'm wondering. >> good morning, everyone, welcome to "early start." >> it is october 7th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. russia launching new airstrikes in syria against rebel held provinces come with the help of forces loyal to bashar al-assad. a human rights group says the clashes are the heaviest in the last month. this comes after the secretary general confirmed the latest incursion into turkey air sprais
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space. meantime, secretary of state john kerry is entertaining the notion of a no-fly zone protect civilians. joining us with the latest now from moscow, cnn's matthew chance. >> that's right. there is a lot of intensification of russia's airstrikes, targeting what they say isis positions, with what is suspected to be positions of other rebel groups in opposition to their syrian allie bashar al-assad. >> that is taking place. you mentioned the incursions by russian aircraft. there have been two such incursions protecting strong diplomats from turkey the nato, itself, says it is not acceptable, it does not believe these incursions are an accident, supposedly sent to provoke attack on americay in
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some way by these russian warplanes. at the same time, there has been an olive branch of sorts handed out by the russian defense ministry, they are prepared to do a deal with the pentagon over the atlantic states. this is discussed in military to military talks over the past several day, they're zee saying some final details to be worked out before a deal is done, christine. >> that's through chance, thank you. escalation in other conflict. a commander in afghanistan says u.s. levels to draw down troop levels there may have to be changed. isis and al qaeda are getting stronger in afghanistan. he says this has forced them to recommend changes to cut u.s. strength by 90%. campbell did not say what troop levels he is proposing.
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we stein rice of dice and pakistan operations. now we have strong partners and the chief executive ab dumb la. as a result of recommendations to adjust this new environment while addressing our core mission, train advise and assist, the afghan security force to rukt counterterrorism operations to protect the homeland. >> general campbell also added a influence that you could say altered an airstrike on doctors bout without borders in kunduz, earlier saying the strike came in as a response by afghan forces, campbell said it was a u.s. decision made within the u.s. chain of command. a decision from joe biden may be imminent. will he or won't he run for vice president. >> a source tells gloria bornlger there will be what is described as a family conversation at biden's home in delaware this weekend to discuss his possible candidacy.
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the source says this conversation could be conclusive. hillary clinton, meanwhile, going about her campaign as usual on a swing through iowa. cnn is in davenport with the latest. good morning from iowa. hillary clinton is beginning a second day of a campaign swing and she'll be campaigning in council bluff, iowa today. she is trying to project an image of certainty. of course, bernie sanders is surging, joe biden is waiting in the wings. she focusing at least publicly on republicans in the raise. we have learned she sent them signed personal autographing copies of the book. hard choices. she said this to iowa. >> there are so mr. of them they could have a book club and if they want to know how you put together a coalition that imposes international sanctions on a country like iran, that i can read about it. because that's what i did. >> of course, 18 as she tries to
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project strength among democrats saying she can take on republicans, it is that uncertainty in the democratic presidential race, democrats want to know if joe biden is going to get in this race. we are told by people who have been talking with them in recent days he is leaving the impression he is leaning towards running. but automatic caveats apply he has not reached a decision yet w. le not know, probably in the coming day, definitely in the next two weeks, i am told he will make this decision. okay, this race will go on leading up to that debate in las vegas. john, christine. >> jeff, thanks, so much. new developments on the republican side, donald trump in iowa this morning. he will speak about his new tax policy. jeb bush is in iowa, taking shots at marco oneio for spending days away from walk him rubio is a senator and then marco rubio is on the campaign
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trail. >> we should cut the pay of elected officials. i don't know about you, but the idea that somehow boating isn't important. what are they supposed to do? they should go to the committee hearings. they should vote. the idea somehow the private sector when you don't show up for work i get a pay cut. why should it exist in capitals and washington, d.c.? >> i call that barely veiled. it wasn't veiled at all. it was a direct shot at senator marco rubio, who missed the vote on tuesday this one on a defense policy bill. senator rubio is on a campaign spring swing right now in new hampshire. ben carson taking heat for comments he made about a school shooting in oregon. carson told fox news he would have gone after the gunman. not only would i not cooperate with them. i would not stand there and let
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them shoot me. i may say, everybody, guy, attack him. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> that's what he would have said. >> donald trump says civilians with guns could have stopped the shooting in oregon. he supports the right to own assault weapons. he said quote the bad guys are going to have them anyway. >> democrats launch an effort to abolish the benghazi committee, arguing it was a political tool aimed solely at hurting hillary clinton. they failed along party lines. the effort comes a week after the republican expected to be the next house speaker gave the benghazi committee credit for politically damaging clinton and many say giving clinton a gift. 6,000 prison inmates will be released from prison and given harsh sentences. it follows the u.s. sentencing commission last year to lower
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maximum sentences the release is the largest in the bureau of prison history in the first of what could be tens of thousands of early releases. tragedy at a soldier training exercise, he was taken to the hospital on the kentucky army base. doctors could not save him. the shooting currently is under investigation. officials said they do not suspect foul play. the former president of the united nations general assembly is accused of taking over a million dollars in exchange for favors and fought reporting it to the irs. the u.s. attorney says ash sold himself in the u.n. for things such as rolex watches, custom suits and a private basketball court, something everything needs. they say he is shocked and deeply troubled by this news a good morning for stocks, a
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the atlantic with hurricane joaquin bearing down. more debris has been located as we learned a power failure may have left the ship helpless. verdicts right now hard at work. >> good morning. while the u.s. coast guard is focused on a search and rescue effort, trying to find survivors the ntsb has a different job. their job is to try to determine what happened, why it happened, and, if necessary to then incity zbat changes that would prevent a strategy di like this from ever happening again. at their briefing last night, they pointed out this vessel has on board something very similar to what we have all become knowledgeable of like a flight data recorder. only in this case they call it a data voice recorder. it describes everything on board the vessel in the last 12 hours leading up to whatever
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catastrophic event struck it. >> that information would be vital for the ntsb investigation. right now they do not have a lot to go on. but to find it, you pretty much have to find the ship. that's believed to be in very deep water. again like the flight data recorders, there is something called a pinger. the data recorder has one t. batteries have a time frame of 30 days i asked if they have been listening and have they heard anything? the answer so far is. john, christine. >> such a sat story. a everyone with no rain in the forecast nor the carolinas, the situation there still dangerous. i want to bring in our meteorologist. >> good morning, high pressure is back. that's the good news. we are getting dry conditions across parts of south carolina, columbia will drop off conditions, thunderstorms possible. generally beyond sales and marketing everything looks dry, an expansive area of dry
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pressure, we have cold temperatures in much of the northern tier of the country, the ice bongs of the u.s. international falls working their way north of minneapolis, st. cloud, seeing cold conditions. generally clear. temperatures warm up into the mid and upper 50s. a gorgeous perspective, if atlanta, we make it to 81 degrees, south carolina has had issues, southern california, the single driest location. half an inch came down. it doesn't sound like much. in columbia that occurred. that is 29% of their annual average, which is just shy of two inches. compare that to south carolina and substantially much more damage occurred across this region. about 26% of normal. still damage across parts of california. >> pedro, thank you for that. for the second day in a row, a health scare in the cockpit
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for a second straight day, reports of a midair scare for airline passengers. united airlines flight 1614 en route from houston to san francisco, making an emergency landing in albuquerque after the co-pilot passed out during the flight. now, he was able to walk off the plane, he was taken to a local hospital. this comes a day after an american airlines pilot, 57-year-old michael johnson died
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of an apparent heart attack while flying from phoenix to boston. that plane was diverted to syracuse. our thoughts go out to them afternoon. a pilot facing assault charges after assaulting a reporter. he asked him about resigning after putting his hand in curtis' face right there, you see he just strikes the reporter's cheek, drawing blood. you can't do that. newsome was arrested and could face up to a year in jail. a landmark cnn study goes inside the secret world of teens revealing they are largely addicted to social media. child development experts studied the social media habits of more than 200 8th graders, analyzing what teens say to each other on social media and why it matters so much to them.
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15% reported receiving inappropriate photos, 94% of parents said they didn't realize the amount of fighting that occurs on social media. >> so interesting. kids do dumb, destructive things t. problem with social media is it's such an efficient tool. >> kid, it's an age when there is an obsession with yourself and you are learning about a selfish ob swegs yourself and when you give kids a tool on social media, they really can be so cruel. >> it is harder for parents to monitor. interesting study, worth looking at for all parents out there. the new york state attorney general launched an investigation of two media football sites, draftkings and fanduel, comes after allegations of cheating, basically insider trading by employees. attorney general is looking into whether they gained an unfair advantage known as daily fantasy football by exploiting non-public information. he asked the site for details on
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how to prevent fraud. >> big business. a lot of people are concerned about that. >> if you can't believe in fantasy, what can you believe in? all right, kansas city, here they come the houston astros headed to the american league series t. yankees did not score a single run. not even one run only their home field. a houston ace was fan frisking tastic. the astros had two dingers. the only one they needed was a home run the first pitch, carlos go medicine added a homer city astros. game one of that series is thursday. it actually it was a bit of a victory for the yankees. they had fans in the stadium for months? what about the red sox? >> we wish we resisted as badly
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as last night. i would love the right to be embarrassed? it's a good point. >> 24 minutes, 25 minutes past the hour. russian forces, new strikes overnight decidedly increasing their presence in syria civil war. could the trio of russia, the u.s. and turkey be doing more harm than good in the battle against isis the latest details next.
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happening now, russia launching new strikes overnight against rebels in syria. the strikes coupled with bashar al-assad forces adding chaos to
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a grim sig. we are live in moscow. isis surging in afghanistan a. top u.s. commander says the situation could mean changes for american troop levels there. how long will they now stay? we are live in kabul. with the clock ticking, joe biden apparently on the verge of his big decision a. family meeting planned in delaware this weekend. will it help sway him to jump into the 2016 race? we have brand-new information, moments away. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> about 29 minutes past the hour. breaking overnight, russia launching new airstrikes in syria, hitting targets in the western part of that countries. this appears to be a coordinated assault in conjunction with force loyal to bashar al-assad a. human rights group said the clashes are the heaviest in the last month. the comes after nato incurred a second incursion into turkish
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airspace, turkey, a nato member, has long ties to russia, is warning it risks quote losing a friend. secretary of state john kerry now apparently entertaining the notion of a no-fly zone in civilians caught in a civil war. this is interesting. it goes against a lot of what president obama has said about that idea in the last several months and years. joining us now with the latest from moscow. cnn's plath through chance t. russians not letting up one bit on their air assault and perhaps more in syria. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, john, it seems like they're actually intensifying their air campaign against various targets inside syria. they say they're focusing on islamic state. but clearly on the ground, the reports are very different. it seems to be rebel groups opposed to bashar al-assad's, russia's long time allie. some of those groups supported bety west, by the united states t. main attacks at the moment appears to be taking place in
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the west of the country. they're coordinated in nature along with the syrian army and other elements as well, including hezbollah fighters and elements of the iranian armed forces as well. so this kind of grand coalition to which the russians are playing, few will, the air force in this situation so that is the situation on the ground. they're hitting these rebel groups hard with in a hope i suppose of not just bolstering the regime of bashar al-assad, but also regaining some of the territory for the syrian president has lost over recent years. >> meanwhile, matthew the russians are indicating they're opened to the idea of some kind of coordinated air operation with the united states in syria? >> yeah. i mean, this is an initiative that the pentagon has been proposing, that the russians sit down with them and coordinate closely air attacks against isis positions. the united states, of course, heads a coalition of about 60 countries, which have been for about 18 months now have been
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dropping bombs on isis in a sort of coordinated way t. russians exact mix, started picking their own targets. it raises the ability of unwanted confrontation through the russians and military and coalition members as well. they want to coordinate t. first time today the russians are saying, look, we can accept this proposal. we've got to work out some technical details first, though, then we are ready to go. >> possible diplomatic break this morning. matthew chance in moscow, thank you so much. escalation in another conflict with high stakes, a top commander says the u.s. plans to draw down troop levels there that may have to be changed. general john campbell telling the senate armed services committee isis and al qaeda are getting stronger in average. campbell did not say what troop levels he is proposing.
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he added a nuance that altered his explanation for an airstrike at a doctors without borders hospital in kunduz after earlier saying it came if response to a request by afghan sources. campbell said, quote, dafs u.s. made decision made in the u.s. chain of command. cnn's nic robertson is live in kabul with the latest. interesting, this change of tone, this change of explanation for how this airstrike happened in the first place. >> yeah, he described it as a mistake rather than the day before he described what happened at the hospital is an accident. it originally said it was u.s. forces calling it an airstrike because u.s. forces were directly targeted by the taliban. now saying and he did say this the day before as well, it was afghan forces who requested the help. i think what he was trying to do here was to clear up any sort of
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impression that the united states would try to push the blame on the afghan forces, what he was saying very clearly here, they asked us for help. the taliban were firing at them. we're responsible. it was us who called in the fire power. we are responsible for that. we just heard in the last few minutes from doctors without borders, they say what they want here is not a criminal investigation. they say all they want to understand about the hospital is they say this is very important across all of afghanistan is what are the rules of engagement? have they changed? they say the hospital they abide by the rules of engagement laid down by the afghan military, so they're doing what everyone tells them to do. their location was known. they say let's put all the facts on the table of what happened here. us, doctors without borders can decide, okay, these are the facts. now, obviously, as doctors without borders we need to change. somebody has changed on somebody
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else's side here, an understanding of how they can work. they say at the moment without that, they want the facts put on the table by an independent investigation so that everyone can examine it. that's why they say they are pushing, calming it a war crime not from a criminal point of view, very simply, so they can understand how it's safe for their people to operate in the future. >> all right. nic robertson this morning in kabul. thanks, nick. breaking overnight, a decision for joe biden could be imminent. will he run for president. it might be a valid question, he running already. a source tells gloria bornlger there will be a family conversation at the biden home this weekend to discuss the possible candidacy. the source says this one could be conclusive. while that's going on, hillary clinton is on a campaign swing through iowa taking on republican criticism of her record, she is doing it with a humerus touch. she told a crowd she sent all
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the republican candidates a copy of her book "hard choices" to enlighten them about her time i think as secretary of state. >> and then i thought, you know, maybe they just don't know so i have now sent each of them a copy of my book "hard choices" about what we did during those four years. so you know there are so many of them, they could have a book club. if they want to know how you put together a coalition that imposes international sanctions on a country like iran, they can read about it. because that's what i did. >> bernie sanders is in ug what. i don't think he got a copy of the book. he is set to speak at the caucus institute presidential candidate forum. donald trump is in iowa there morning set to speak about his newly released tax policy. jeb bush is campaign income iowa. he is now taking thinly veiled
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thoughts at his proet just senator moreco rubio, he missed another key vote on tuesday. this on a defense policy bill. she on a campaign swing through new hampshire. for more on that, let's bring in chief political correspondent dana bash. >> john, christine, when i interviewed jeb bush last week in nampb, he started to see marco oneio as a threat. now bush has a regular attack line for missing votes in the senate. he uses it in town halls from new hampshire to this one last night in iowa. >> we should cut the pay of elected officials that don't show up to work. i don't know about you, but this idea, this idea that somehow voting isn't important, what are they supposed to do? they should go to the committee hearings. they should vote. >> bush doesn't mention rubio by name when he says things like members of congress or it's clear who he is talking about.
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rubio has missed more votes than any other senator running for president this year, including a procedural votette yesterday, he's hardly alone, ted cruz has missed almost as many as rubbio. it really is an age old challenge for any senator running for president. it was for john kerry, for john mccain an even barack obama. how do you go out on the campaign trail and stay in walk and do your day job at the same time? for example in a two month period in the fall of 2007, barack obama, a professional senator, missed 80% of the senate soets. so rubio says he tries to not miss high profile votes. -se also not running for re-election in the senate. rubio sources say presidential primary voters don't air that much about whether he shows up for work in washington. >> thank you, dana bash for that, it will be interesting to see if he keeps up that line
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aattack. overnight, democrats launch an effort to get rid of the house benghazi committee, arguing the committee is a partisan political tool aimed to hurt hillary clinton. the investigation failed along party lines and the rules committee. the effort comes a week after the republican expected to be the next house speaker, kevin mccarthy, gave the benghazi committee credit for politically damaging clinton. in south carolina the rain has finally stopped after two weeks. many rivers and streams are still rising from the record volume of water that has member merged hundreds of roads and bridges. 11 dams now have failed t. death toll also rising. 17 people have lost their lives in south and north carolina. south carolina governor nikki haley warning residents about the hidden dangers within the deep flood waters. the state highway patrol shared this picture when two cars went around road blockss, for more than 400,000 thoem people,
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donations are pouring in. the coast guard is engaged in anth active search for that survivorship that sank in the atlantic where hurricane joaquin buried down. more debris locate has been located. the nts is investigating how it sank. they say it was equipped with a voyage flight recorder. >> 6,000 federal inmates will be released prison to provide relief from some drug cases, it follows the u.s. conditionsing commission. the release is the largest in the bureau of prison history in the first of what could be tens of thousands of early releases. time for an "early start" on your money, good morning for stocks, europe pine and asian stocks are higher. yesterday the s&p 500 snapped a
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five-day winning streak. investors looking more cautious. that resent turmoil in stocks is over. a megabeer merger getting new life this morning. anheuser-busch inbev made a bit. the deal worth $104 billion. you can find that clang in your couch, right? if it goes through, it would be the biggest merger in beer history, bud miller who would own half of the world's top 40 beers. >> crazy. the situation between israelis and palestinians nearing a tipping point. new clashes on the street as concerns continue to mount. we are live in jerusalem next. i, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®.
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. breaking news this morning, vie renz in the old city part of jerusalem. police say a woman stabbed a 35-year-old jewish man. they say he was lightly wound and managed to shoot his attacker. this as tensions remain high in the holy city of the west bank. though the first time in a week the moss compound has reopened for muslim worshipers of all ages. we have been following this buildup this tension, this spiraling in the middle east. erin. >> reporter: that's right, christine, we are carrying on another stabbing inside the old city of jerusalem.
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according to israeli police, a 35-year-old israeli man was stabbed in the back by a palestinian woman. police say the man was armed. he opened fire on the woman. she's in the hospital currently in serious condition. tensions surrounding the nearby holy site known to juice as a temple mount have been high. there have been restrictions in place on the site barring muslim men under the age of 50 from praying there. restrictions that were listed around 2:00 p.m. yesterday as palestinian president mahmoud abbas publicly announced he wanted the situation to decase late n. east jerusalem the west bank as well as for the first ja jafafa. near tel aviv. the question is are people listening to him in we understand there are media reports overnight of palestinian and israeli security officials
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meeting. we are working to get more information on that. >> excellent reporting. thank you for that. a reporter in alabama attacked by a city official. why did he do it and what consequences could he now face? a bizarre moment caught on camera. that's next.
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for a second straight day a midair scare for airline passengers. united airlines flight 1614 en route from houston to san francisco made an mortgages landing in albuquerque after the co-pilot passed out during the flight. he was able to walk off the plane. he was taken to a local hospital this comes a day after an american airlines pilot 57-year-old michael johnson died as an apparent heart attack flying from phoenix to boston that. plane was diverted to syracuse, very sad. a city official in alabama facing assault charges after striking a local television reporter. the incident was captured on video. it shows reporter ken curtis asking city commissioner amos newsome if he would resign in the face of voter fraud allegations linked to his election. after putting his hand in his face, he strikes the reporter on his cheek drawing blood, newsome was arrested. he could face up to a year in
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jail. we go into the secret world of teenagers, feeling they are largely addicted. child development experts study social habits of more than 20 200 th graders, why it matters so much to them 15% reported they did not realize the amount of fighting that occurs on social media. the new york state attorney general launched an investigation of two football sites, draftkings and fan tule. it comes after allegations of cheating. akin to insider trading by employees playing at each other's side. they are look nook whether they gained daily advantage by exploiting access to non-public information. he has ask asked the site for details on how they prevent fraud. while you were sleeping, the new york yankees were, too. the houston astros, they will go
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to the american league divisional series. they shut out the new york yankees 3-zip. at the yankee's home field, yankee stadium. it was a wild card game. their ace pitched six innings. tanaka gave up two dingers, which is more than the astros needed to defeat the offense. game one of the astro, kansas city royals series is thursday in kansas city. >> and the red sox? >> sitting at home comfortably. which they wish they did last night as well. >> matchup for a family emergency. like the red sox, i'm explain the proposal in washington, d.c. next.
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is. all right. welcome back. i'm christine romance, let's get an "early start" on your morning him oil rose overnight. u.s. stock futures looking
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higher this morning. one stock not following for that positive trend. ium brands, it's the parents company of ckfc, pizza hut is plunging. it's likely not to meet its earnings goals. washington, d.c. could soon have the most generous paid leave policy in the country t. d.c. city council is considering a proposal tra would give up to 16 weeks of paid time for employees with new children, significant family problems or medical issues. who could be covering? anywith under that lives or works in d.c. half their weekly wages above that amount. no more than 3,000. business, of course, have come out against the bill t. u.s. by the way the only developed country that doesn't mandate any kind of paid leave. it can soon be easier to shoe your credit card companies, student loan issuers with make them sign an arbitration clause, you sign these clauses, they
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require users to settle any legal dispute out of court and you waive your right to file a class action lawsuit. now the consumer financial protect bureau is bank companies from getting a free pass to avoid court. >> hmm, interesting. >> something else businesses hate, by the way. >> early start continues right no now. >> happening now, concern mounting about russia's actions if syria, troops oak, word just coming of new strikes overnight. we are live in moscow with the latest. >> isis influence, growing if afghanistan. this is according to a top u.s. commander who says the situation yogi could mean changes in u.s. troop levels. could troops now be staying much longer than previously thought? the questions surrounding joe biden could be answered within
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days of a biden family meeting? the vice president could finally decide whether to enter the 2016 race. we have new developments. good morning, welcome to "early start" christine romans. >> it is wednesday, october 7th. 5:00 a.m. in the east. breaking overnight, russia has launched new airstrikes, hitting targets in the western part of that country. this appears to be a coordinated assault in conjunction with bashar al-assad. all this is according to a human rights group. who says the clashes are the heaviest they have seen there in the last month. this himselfco after nato's secretary general confirmed a second incursion by russian fighter jets into turkish airspace, turkey, a member of nato, also had a close relationship with russia now. they risk losing a friend. secretary of state john kerry is entertaining the motion of a no-fly zone in syria now to protect civilians caught in the civil war. this is interesting, the last several months, not to mention years, president obama seemed to

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