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radioactive materials to extremist groups. evan perez is joining us now, and tell us what we have learned about this. >> well, this is a moldovan police operation where they have arrested a number of smugglers trying to make money. and as you nknow in this region moldova has a huge problem with smuggling, and the area that is controlled by russia, there are smugglers who will sell pretty much anything, and they don't really care to whom they sell it to, and that includes the extremist groups and isis and that is the concern of the fbi which is why they have been working with the moldovan law enfor enforcement over the last couple of years to do the sting operations to try to get some of the smugglers out of the marketplace. >> if moldova is cooperating, evan, and catching the smugglers why is there not a tougher penalty, because many of them just end up right back in the
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smuggling business within a short period of time. >> yes, it is a persistent problem in moldova, wolf. it goes beyond the people they have been able to target in the sting operation, but other smugglers there who they don't have a good handle on, and you are right, some of the people have not enough time, but they are sting operation, and the materiels are not a huge amount. again, this is a situation where it is not believed that these people necessarily are working with terrorist, but they simply don't care to whom they sell their materiels to. >> thank you, evan, very much. joining us to talk about this disturbing development, and joining us from irvine, california, is our cnn intelligence security analyst bob bair and also our expert robbie gosch. how would this be dangerous if they were to get their hands on
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a dirty material? >> well, you could put something in a car, and put some cesium on it, and you could blow up a car in manhattan and close down the city for months. so this is a ongoing market, and we have been lucky that a bomb has never gotten through. >> and hold your thoughts, guys, because i want to go out to quickly oregon, and there is a news conference with the local law enforcement providing new details on the awful shooting incident at the community college last weekend, and let's l listen in. >> two troopers from the police department in roseburg arrived, and all four officers arrived at 10:44 a.m. and upon arrival the police officers heard a volley of shot, and the police officers
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witnessed the shooter in the doorway of snyder hall. and the two detectives were in plain clothes and not wearing bulletproof vests as they got out of their vehicle. the police officers ran towards the gunfire and attempted to gain a vantage point on the shooter. sergeant kayny and sergeant spinninga knew that there were 35 students in one of the classrooms and they few that if they shot, they would risk the chance of shooting innocent people. the sergeant and the detective saw the shooter in the doorway of snyder hall. they saw him in the entrance of snyder hall, and they witnessed muzzle flash. the shooter shot several rounds at the detectives. seconds later, both sergeant and detective felt they had a good target and they fired a total of three rounds at the shooter.
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two rounds went into the entrance hall, at the entrance hall of snyder hall near where the shooter was standing and one struck the shooter in the right side. once the shooter was wounded, he enter entered the classroom again, and he went to the front of the classroom, and he shot and killed himself. i want everyone to know of the selfless acts of these officers that they made in responding to this the scene. they had little regard for their own personal safety, and they saved many, many lives that day with that with their heroic acts. they used their training and discipline to determine the best time to take a shot at the shooter, and once the subject,
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and once the suspect engaged the police officers, he did not shoot another student. these men saved lives that day. >> i'd like to introduce chief burge with the roseburg police department. >> good morning. before i share profile information about sergeant kayny and detective spinga, i would like to express my safety gratitude for the officers involved, because without this event, many lives would have been in peril.
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the shooting at ucc showed what amazing character your police officers have, and how they are willing to risk their lives for their community. detective sergeant is a former u.s. marine. and he has been involved with the roseburg police department for many years, and he received the medal of heart and purple heart from the police officers association for a previous incident in which he was shot and wounded in the ankle. det detective todd spingath is a united states war veteran and been employed with the roseburg police department for six years. he is a recipient of the medal of valor for his actions in the same 2005 shooting incident.
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i am very proud of how sergeant kayny and how todd spingath and the public service and safety organizations responded an conducted themselves in this ordeal. i like many other people in the commu community consider them to be heroes. they knew that they could be injured or killed during this confrontation as they ran towards the sound of gunfire. i have spoken with both officer, and i can tell you that they do not want to be heralded as heroes. they feel that they are only first responders who got there first and did a job they were trained and entrusted to do. finally, the sergeant and the detective ask that the focus of your attention be on the victims and families of this tragedy and
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not on them. they ask for privacy and the opportunity to settle back into their routine to providing public safety service to the community and its citizens. thank you. >> questions? >> yes. so how long is the exchange of gun fire between the gunman and the officers, and what type of guns were involved both from the gunmen and the officers, and finally, if you could help us to understand where this is exactly happening. did it include going inside of the classroom and emerge to confront the officers or more specifically within the hallway? >> jim, you want to answer that? >> sure. the officers were shooting 40 caliber handguns, and i believe that the suspect was shooting a 9 mill meimeter handgun, and th shooter had emerged from snyder
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hall, and so he was actually outside of the classroom, but somewhat in the doorway. the police officers were coming toward sniyder hall from the parking lot. so they are running toward, running toward snyder hall, and the suspect is outside is of snyder hall, and that is where, as officers as said that they were hearing the volley of shots, and as they are getting out of the car, the shots are actually being shot toward them and that is when the exchange of fire happened with the suspect. there you have it, dramatic information about the final moments before that horrible massacre in oregon ended. description of the two police aoff sers and both heroes as thy confronted the killer in this particular case who eventually was shot, but he went into another room and committed
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suicide and shot himself. a dramatic moment indeed. we will stay on top of the story. there is other breaking news that we are follow, and we are getting word into cnn with a dangerous encounter of russian and united states fighter aircraft over syria. we will share more details right after this.
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precise long range missiles, and this video from the russian defense ministry shows the missiles launched, and they say that 26 missiles hit 11 targets, and they are also building up the troops on the ground. secretary of defense ash carter says that the u.s. would not be cooperating with these tactics. >> we are not prepared to cooperate in a strategy which is, we have explained, it is flawed, tragically flawed on the russians' part. that is why i said that the united states is not cooperating with russia in that regard. >> let's bring in our cnn international correspondent arwa damon in istanbul, and our retired military analyst retired lieutenant colonel rick
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francona, and bobby ghosh, you are there in syria, and what can you tell us about what is happening there on the ground, arwa? >> well, a number of fast-moving developments, wolf, because not only the naval strikes from russia launching from the caspian fee according to the defense ministry 26 long range missiles hitting 11 target, and this is in addition to other strikes that took place throughout the day in the provinces of itlib and also in aleppo, and a lot of the ativists and the rebel leaders are saying that the ae yas targeted are not isis strongholds, but anti-assad regime fighting position, and vital areas that according to the sunni rights forces that the it led to the clashes that they have not seen in months. you have one of the more moderate rebel groups that is supported by the cia say issing
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that the weapons depot in aleppo was also struck as well. meanwhile, the turkish prime minister is saying that the vast majority of the strikes are not targeting isis, and in fact, he said that only two of russia's 57 air raids struck isis positions. all of this, wolf, lending itself to a very messy situation on the ground and in the skies. with one that is not going to be potentially changing the dynamics of what is happening in syria, swaying the balance in favor of the assad regime, but it is one that is causing more deaths, and as a byproduct of that, more people are e fleeing for their lives and more refugees, wolf. >> horrendous situation by all accounts. retired colonel francona, this report of russian aircraft getting very close to american aircraft, isn't there some way
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to not have any accident so that a u.s. and russian plane does not inadvertently go down? >> absolutely. in is what the secretary of defense was talking to his russian counter part about. they were supposed to have set up a deconfliction regime so that the two air forces don't get in each other's way, but that is obviously not in effect yet. be but any time you have this small of aircraft operating in this small of environment, this is boubd to happen. and we have to get a handle on, this and the russisians need to fly where they are supposed to be and we should ni where we are posed to b and until we have communication up there, and we will have these problems. and it is not like they can talk to each oer theshgs and different strategies and command and control commands. so this has to be handled at a higher level. >> and bobby ghosh, russian critics are suggesting what is happening in syria is almost a repeat of what they did in
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ukraine and crimea slowly and surely taking over. is that what we are seeing right now? >> well, the biggest advantage here is that syria has an entire army and regime of the country on their side. so they have bashar al assad's army and remind yourself that it is the biggest army in the arab world on their side, so they can send in assad's tanks while the russians provide cover. they are not interested in territory as they were in ukraine. but they are interested in protecting assad and they have fosts that the u.s. and the allies lack. the complaint that we have been hearing for years is that we don't have partners on the ground that becan rely on and no heavy weaponry and the russians have all of those things, and that is a huge advantage. >> and bobby ghosh, as long as the objective is to prop up the regime of bashar al assad, the view of the rest of the u.n. is
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to to see that regime go away, and what is the language? >> well, it is clear. no direct cooperation over isis, and any conversation that has taken place as colonel francona has said about is to make sure that the planes don't interfere with each other. the air forces don't get in each other this's way, and that is the disappointing, because if you have two of the largest military powers this the world, the united states and russia operating in the same sector, supposedly, both of them to some degree of the other taking aim at eisis, it is a shame that thy wouldn't cooperate on at least that piece. but the fact is unavoidable, russia's larger ambitions are very, very different from that of the united states. they want assad to stay at all costs, and the u.s. wants assad to go as well as isis. >> and bashar al assad not only has russian support, and hezbollah support, and iranian support, and he has support as
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you pointed out and a huge mi military as well. thank you. >> and coming up, the deadly bombinging in afghanistan with do doctors against borders demanding a war crimes investigation. what would that investigation involve? what might it mean for the u.s. military. we are live to kabul. and also, ahead, we have brand new poll numbers in three battleground states, and good news for the frontrunners and bad news for the three states native sons, and one of bernie sanders' senior advisers tadd devine is standing by to join us. today, jason is here to volunteer to help those in need. when a twinge of back pain surprises him. morning starts in high spirits but there's a growing pain in his lower back.
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2001, and that is the day that the u.s. began the assault in the u.s. war against the taliban and al qaeda and exactly 14 years late tor to the day, tens billions of u.s. tlar dlas have been spent and thousands of lives lost, and the war against the taliban and al qaeda in afghanistan continues, and the longest war in u.s. history. and case in point, the fight against the taliban in kunduz city right now as u.s. forces assisted the afghani s s in the battle last week, the u.s. air strikes destroyed a hospital operated by doctors without borders and today, the medical aid agency asked president obama to consent to the an international investigation into the bombing. they want a humanitarian fact finding commission created by the geneva convention in 1991, but it has never been used. >> give n the inconsistencies o
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the afghan and the u.s. accounts of what happened in the recent days, we cannot rely on the u.s. and afghan sources solely. a a . >> nic robertson is there in kabul, and can you tell us why they want this additional investigation, because nato has launched an investigation and the u.s. has an investigation, and yet there is doctors without borders is launching a n investigation, and afghanistan is launching a n investigation, and so why this fourth one? >> they want to know when they go into the conflict zone, they have gone in with all of the eyes open, and talked to all of the parties on the ground, the afghans and the u.s. and taliban and whoever, to know what the rules of engagement are, so as
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they go in without weapons to help people in injured in the conflict, they know they will be safe. they understand the rules of enga engagement, and they abide by it, and what they want to know is what the independent investigation to do is to what happened? has somebody changed their interpretation of the rules of engagement, and take the facts and put them on the table, and if they have changed the way they have changed the terms of engagement, then we, the doctors without borders, may have to say, we can't do this, the because it is not safe. what the problem is that concerns the doctors without borders is that they have got hospitals in many different conflict zones in the world. in syria, right now, if tomorrow russia were to hit a doctors without borders hospital in air strike in syria, and russia were to say, well, we will investigate it ourselves, and what concerns the doctors without borders is that in other conflict, bad actors can act without immunity, and hit a
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hospital, and say, we will look into it ourself, and so this is a hugely important and symbolic and fundamentally thing that has to happen, they believe to make sure that it cannot happen in the future, and that they can go willingly as they do with experienced doctors the go willingly into harm's way to help innocent people in these conflict zones so they can make the decision of the future. so it is really fundamental for them, wolf. >> nic, we are getting word from the white house, and the white house press secretary josh earnest is saying that president obama has personally called the president of doctors without borders to express deepest condolences to the doctors without borders and to apologize to the staff and patients for the killing of those patients, the staff, and during this bombing. pretty extraordinary moment right now, and the white house saying that the president has personally called the doctors
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without borders to apologize and express kon odoe lenses, and nic, this is taking place on the exact 14th anniversary, and today is the 14th year exactly to the day when the u.s. launched those air strikes from the "u.s.s. enterprise" and the war started on 9/11, but the u.s. started the war against the taliban and al qaeda, and is anybody paying attention to the fact that this is the 14th anniversary of the start of the war? >> you know, wolf, it has gone by and large by the vast majority of the people here completely unnoticed. i remember that we had a team in kandahar when those strikes were coming in, and the first around kandahar airport, and we were getting some of the first reports in that it was happening. it was a huge momentous occasion, and such an important beginning to driving out the taliban, and driving out al qaeda, and for people here, they have lived with 14 years of what
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they have seen as another foreign forces in the country. but the afghans that i spoke to yesterday still believes that the government needs the help now of the u.s. forces, because despite the fact that over a period of time there the taliban was pushed out, and al qaeda was pushed back, and they are back, and back in serious number, and people here recognize that the army, and the government is not up to the job to defending them, and they need help. but the date of 14 years on, i think it is really larged passed the afghans by, wolf. >> thank you, nic robertson at the afghan capital for us. and coming up, bernie sanders is attracting huge crowds, but they are not translating to huge poll numbers in the key battleground states. we will talk campaign strategy with one of the sanders' senior campaign advisers tadd devine, standing by live.
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the first demt kr t kraocrd presidential debate here on cnn just six days away here for the democratic debate. clinton is at 43% of florida ahead of vice president joe biden and bernie sanders who are both at 19%. and in ohio, clinton is at 20% co compared to the 19 p% for biden and sanders. and in ohio, it is 40%, and 21% for bide even and 19% for sa
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sanders. and in pennsylvania, it is 36% for clinton, and 25% for biden and 19% for biden. and so, as she would point out, she is doing well in ohio, and in the three battleground states of florida, ohio and pennsylvania, how does bernie sanders overcome that? >> well, by doing well at the front end of the campaign. it starts in ohio and goes to florida and pennsylvania. and so, we need the resources to file the campaign, and when we filed the third quarter campaign, we have almost as much cash on hand as hillary clinton. >> yes. >> and the cash on hand numbers are close to hers, so we will have a chance to run full-fledged campaign. >> and he has generated huge crowds out there, and the arguments of the critics say it
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is curious, and he is not taken all that seriously, but they find him interesting, and intriguing. what do you say to that? >> we will say, come to one of his events, and see if bernie is serious or not. people want to talk about issues that are mattering to them, and bernie sanders better than anybody that the middle-class is destroyed by the an economic system rigged to send all of the wealth to the top. >> and now, is the democratic caucuses take to away help for him? >> well, when you look at the polls there, and with the vice president out, hillary clinton's numbers go up, and when he is in, the numbers go down. >> and what i am hearing you is that bernie sanders wants him in? >> no, joe biden gets in, he is someone who can win the nomination of the party, and the challenge is greater in many way
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ways if he comes in. >> and take us inside of bernie sanders' mind as he is preparing for the first democratic presidential debate six days away in las vegas, and how is he preparing? >> well, last friday, i was in new hampshire to talk to bernie about what he would like and he said access to certain experts to talk about certain issues, and when we got to nevada we would talk about questions and answers, and that type of thing. >> dress rehearsals? >> no, he is not interest ed in preparing that way, and what he is interested in is issues and talk about them, and use the debate to tell the american people about his plans and what he wants the do as president. >> and so far, relatively cautious in going after hillary clinton, and that the about to change? >> no, bernie will never go after people, and he does not go after negative ads and he does
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not run negative politics. when he was first running in the house of representatives, he was attacked by the republican opponent, and he chose to respond by talking to people. >> and one of the biggest differences of bernie sanders and hillary clinton, the answer is? >> where he is leading america. his path is different, because it is going to be focusing on restoring the middle-class with a set of policies that are different than hers. >> thank you so much, tad levine for joining us. and hillary clinton is vowing to take action on the gun control if she is president. this is what she said after president obama expressed outrage over what a gunman did in killing nine people in oregon. >> how do you keep from being sad and tired? >> i think by being angry and determined. [ applause ] you have to have emotional energy here, and i totally,
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totally get where the president is coming from, because it is just the worst feeling. you are president of the united states and people are being massacred inside of your own country, and you can see the hold that the nra has over members of congress. my view on this is that we have to keep getting up and fighting back. earlier this week, hillary clinton's campaign unveiled gun control measured at background checks for all gun buyers. >> we are days a wway from the first democratic presidential debate next tuesday, for your chance to see all of the democratic candidates debate the issues. and that is only here on cnn. and up next, vice president biden is claiming that the
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of the 33 people on board, no survivors have been found, and the coast guard only recovering some debris, and pieces of metal and a life ramp. other news, vice president joe biden is slamming the republicans for what he calls the beating they are giving the latino voters. he made the remarks at a latino voting event, and he talked about an early gathering that he hosted during national hispanic month. >> i stood up, and said, welcome, and i looked out, and i could see sadness in everybody's face. people walked in like, literally, down. because of the beating, the beating that the hispanics are taking at the hands of the republican caucus, and i mean, the republican presidential race, and people are depressed, and the message for you guys, is that these guys don't speak for
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america. the american people are so much better, and so far beyond, and so, so, so much different than these guys who are appealing to everything from homophobia to the notion of like a know-nothing party. >> and the senior white house correspondent jim acosta is joining us. it seemed like an impromptu speech, and give us the background. >> this is the latino presidential action committee were flagged by the vice president's office that joe biden would like to come to their fund-raiser, and they said, sure, come over to the event. and so he gave them some impassioned comments, and he is talking about what happened when he hosted a hispanic heritage event at just last month, and how he saw the latinos coming
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into the event holding their heads and hanging their heads, because of the feelings they have after comments made by donald trump this year, and when he described the mexican immigrants as rapists, and bringing crime into the united states. the vice president was trying to connect with the crowd last night in saying that those remarks dot no reflect where americans are right now. wolf, i thought it was very much vice president joe biden sounding like a presidential candidate courting the hispanic lobbying group. and when we come back, we will break down the numbers to t the white house. donald trump is in the lead, but he also comes to the defense of one of his rivals. that is after this. d these gees. but it's not who you think. squawk!
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donald trump leads the race for the republican presidential nomination in three key battleground states according to a new poll just out. in florida trump is at 28% followed by ben carson at 15%, marco rubio is third at 14% followed by jeb bush at 12%. the rest of the field in single digits. trump is at 23% in iowa followed by carson in 18%. john kasich is at 13%. and in pennsylvania the top three are trump at 23%, carson at 17%, rubio at 12%. let's bring in our senior political reporter knee area malik ask a henderson and gloria borger. not necessarily all that encouraging in florida and ohio for the native sons if trump is doing so much better. >> look, the outsiders, just like they are in the national polls, right? they're doing really well. i think what's really discouraging here is the results for jeb bush. if you look at the polling,
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these are three states by the way that if mitt romney had won in 2012 he would have been president of the united states. so these are three important swing states. if you look at jeb bush's numbers, in florida he's behind marco rubio. now, that's within the margin of error but still behind marco rubio. but in ohio bush is at 4%. that is not good for him. rubio is at 7% and in pennsylvania bush is at 4% also which ties him with none other than mike huckabee. so if you've invested $100 million in that campaign and you're looking at these battleground numbers you're saying there is something your candidate is not doing that he should be doing. >> i looked at pennsylvania by the way. the former pennsylvania senator rick santorum is at 2%. >> right. >> in his home state. trump is leading in all three states. all of those people, nia, were suggesting trump is beginning to slide slide slide. at least in these polls he's still doing well. >> and if you're somebody like bush, your argument all along
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has been you're the most electable guy. that you could win states not only like florida your home state but states like pennsylvania and ohio. for somebody like kasich in ohio he is the sitting governor. the fact he's not doing better there, very, very troubling. i think one of the things about this, these states whose primaries won't be for a while. we have early contests, iowa and new hampshire. so those rt states they're obviously focusing on. but if you're bush and donors are already sort of quaking in their boots about what he's looking like so far, rubio or kasich, this is trouble. >> it's important to note in florida and ohio, which are both in march, not that far away, they're both winner take all. >> right. exactly. >> so if the results were what they are now, you don't divide up the delegates. trump would get all the delegates. >> and the bush campaign is focusing on that and they believe -- i was talking to a senior bush adviser yesterday. i said, what's your stri strategy? you're not doing too well. he said, everybody needs to sober up. in other words, go have fun with
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trump and carson right now. but in the end you're going to sober up and you're going to end up with the guy who's got some substance. and they believe it's a long haul, a delegate battle. but with these numbers in winner-talk-all states like florida, it is a real problem for them if it sticks. >> a lot of delegates in ohio and florida. >> very quickly because dr. ben carson is under some criticism for suggesting that maybe the folks in oregon should have been more ra certificative, more aggressive in going after the gunman. he was asked to clarify earlier this morning and he said this. >> we're living in a culture now where you have a group of people who just sit there. they don't try to listen to what you're saying. they're just trying to find a defect so that they can cause more division. >> this morning he said, i think people know exactly what i'm saying. they know exactly what the media is trying to do. and i think they're smarter than that and they're not going to be manipulated. but it's caused a little bit of
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buzz out there. >> well, i think it has, and with good reason because he seemed to be blaming the victims. >> right. >> yesterday. and he's now turning his statement around, which was unfortunate, to blame the media for misreporting the meaning of what he said. he's a presidential candidate. sorry. >> i think he called a silly reporter for misinterpreting. that's sort of his strategy, blame political correctness. the thing is, if you're running for president, you have to have some compassion. you can't imagine a sitting president after a tragedy saying what they would have done. it sounds like maybe you would think you're sitting in a barbershop or locker room or saying what you would do. but this strategy is odd. >> florida area donald trump twe to dr. carson's defense, ben carson was speaking in general terms as so what he would do if confronted with a gunman, not criticizing the victims.
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not fair. >> so nice of donald trump to do that because the other week he was saying, ben carson is a nice guy but not much. >> he's an okay doctor. >> right. donald trump changes his mind every week on candidates depending on where they are in the polls, and carson at least in the polls we've been looking at is number two. >> he's number two in all three of those states. >> but he's not close. >> but he's doing better with the exception of -- >> he says some off-color things we thought he would get in trouble, but he's been raising money on a lot of things he says that we feel might be out of bounds and other people feel like that. but so far -- >> trump's voters are probably also carson's voters to a great degree. he doesn't really want to alienate them particularlily because he thinks he can get them. >> he's a brilliant neurosurgeon at johns hopkins not just an okay doctor. >> dr. ben carson will be my guest tomorrow at this time.
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he'll be joining us live. that's it for me. thanks very much. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room" for our international viewers. "amanpour" is coming up next. for our north america viewers "newsroom" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. hello. i'm pamela brown in for brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news. we are just learning from the family of one of the crew members that the coast guard plans to call off its search for that cargo ship that went missing last week with 33 crew members aboard. as it sailed into hurricane joaquin. here with me now with the latest on this is alexander field. alexander, what have you learned? >> the families have been hopeful there would be some piece of good news given the massive search effort that's been under way for days now. martin savidge is on the ground with family members. they have come out in a briefing saying