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bush hasn't released his numbers yet. when the numbers are released rival campaignins the governor will have raised in july quarter. they are most interested in how fast the bush campaign is spending that money. it they'll be quick to look how much the bush campaign reports in cash on hand heading into the end of the year crunch. that's it for "inside politics" thank you for sharing your sunday morning. "state of the union" starts right now. the benghazi committee politics. >> this has become an investigation. i don't know the reason. >> a former republican investigator speaks out against the committee in an exclusive tv interview. plus, gop house divided. >> i think i shocked them. >> majority leader kevin
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mccarthy dropped his bid for speaker leaving house republicans in disarray and all eyes on paul ryan. game on. democrats ready to take the stage in las vegas for the first debate to take on hillary clinton. >> i didn't have one opinion eight months ago and switch the opinion on the eve of debates. >> democratic presidential candidates martin o'malley joins us live. then, will he? vice president joe biden huddled with family and friends to talk about a presidential run but has he made his final decision already? >> final move i'll be demoted to secretary of state. that's a joke. >> democratic party chair debby wasserman schultz joins us live and the best political team on television will be here with insights from the campaign trail. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello i'm dana bash in washington and we have breaking news this morning about the house elect committee on
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benghazi. bradley was hired as an investigator to uncover the facts and determine what went wrong on the night terrorists killed four americans in libya. a lifelong republican, air force officer is speaking to jake tapper exclusively on television about what he alleges or improper motivations by some republicans on the committee. he said for the missions to find truth it actually was not that. it turned into a mission to smear the former secretary of state. >> it was a terrorist attack overseas that caught the nation off guard. september 11th, 2012 militants stormed the u.s. mission in libya benghazi killing four americans including ambassador chris stevenings. >> the house of representatives did this to find the facts. republicans determined to
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investigate established a new house elect committee to focus on how it all happened and what happened after. the select committee on bengh i benghazi. but this man said that committee's mission has changed and now focussed solely on how to put blame on former secretary of state hillary clinton, which trey gowdy denied. >> i'm scared. going up against powerful people in washington. i was fired for trying to conduct a investigation. >> he was an investigator on the committee for almost nine months before being fired. the air force reserve intelligence officer is planning a lawsuit against the committee. he was dismissed in part because of the time commitment required by his duty in the major in the air force reserve, but also for resisting pressure to focus his investigation on hillary clinton and her state department. >> this has become a partisan investigation. >> a conservative republican who
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even once interned for the conservative media research center. >> i would like to state that i'm going to vote for the republican nominee in 2016. i do not support hillary clinton for president. >> he believes the democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton has much to answer for. >> republicans are going to listen to you and think this is some liberal trying to get hillary clinton off the hook. liberal will hear you and say he's exonerating hillary clinton. this democratic national committee is all political and hillary has nothing to explain. what's your message to these partisans? >> i'm trying to be objective about this. hillary clinton has a lot of explaining to do. we, however, do not need to shift resources to hyper focus on hillary clinton. we didn't need to deemphasis in some cases drop the investigations on different agencies, different organizations, and different individuals. >> clinton, of course, faced intense questioning from congress on the state department in benghazi.
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>> as i said many times, i take responsibility. >> republicans have accused her state department of denying requests toward additional security at the u.s. mission before the attacks. and for being slow to acknowledge it was a terrorist attack. >> the fact is, we have four dead americans whether because a protest or guys out for a walk one night deciding to kill some americans. what difference, at this point, does it make? >> the committee called a string of clinton's former state department aids to testify. several investigations have details in many failures of the obama administration in protecting americans in libya and in their explanations after the fact. the democrats are now calling for the house committee to be disbanded after majority leader kevin mccarthy touted the committee's role in hurting the poll numbers. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right. we put together a ben gaz city special committee. what are her numbers today?
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her numbers are dropping. >> did he accidentally tell the truth about the committee? that in recent months focus has been on bringing hillary clinton's poll numbers down? >> i think it was a slip of the tongue. as i explained earlier his reasoning is wrong. i don't believe the investigation was set up to go after hillary. i think it shifted that way. >> the problems began in march of this year. he nee-- needed to take time ofo serve in the air force reserve. >> i'm obligated to serve in the air force reserve for 39 days this year. they want me to report for an exercise in march in two weeks. i'll be going on that exercise and in may they need me to report. >> what was the response of the committee staff director when you told them you had to go honor this obligation to the air force reserve? >> his response was one word and that word was "wow." lower case, no punctuation,
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nothing. honestly, i was horrified by it. i knew he was upset. >> in a statement to cnn the house committee said it denies all of his allegations. he was terminated in part because he manifested improper partiality in his investigative work. the committee went on to say that he, quote, continued to imagine a variety of outlandish never previously mentioned allegations since his departures. he dismisses the accusations and says the reasons were clear. they didn't want someone with air force reserve obligations and didn't want somebody to focussing attention away from the cia, pentagon, white house on or anywhere else except for hillary clinton and her state department. >> do you think that the result of the committee based on what you saw will be fair,
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comprehensive, thorough, professional, honest? >> no. it's not possible. the victim's families will not get the truth. and that's the most unfortunate thing about this. and i know this because the nine months of research i had done is now lost. i have no idea where it is. i know, i can give the victims families a pretty thorough explanations of why they were told this attack. >> i want to bring in two republican congressmen to talk about these strong allegations. and also the turmoil in the house trying to find a new republican speaker. but first we would like to say we did invite the chairman of the benghazi trey grow i dowdy respond but he declined. with us now are republican representative tom cole of oklahoma and republican representative raul labrador of idaho. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> congressman, i'll start with you. you saw jake tapper's piece. brad is a self-described
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republican. he would never vote for hillary clinton but the investigation is political. >> let's be clear what he said. he said the investigation current political according to his opinion. and when he was asked specifically if the investigation was political he said no. he said, in fact, that the investigation started properly. they were investigating what happened in benghazi, and he felt it had changed. so let's not mix this up. because -- >> regardless he's saying the reason why he was upset is because it turned political. >> yeah. >> no matter. he had a disagreement with the people who were doing the investigation. remember watergate. watergate started with an investigation about whether the richard nixon administration had anything to do with the break in at watergate. it ended up being -- >> you think -- >> i don't think -- well, that's what they've found out. they asked questions about what hillary clinton did. they asked her for the e-mails. she wouldn't deliver the e-mails and they didn't know where.
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they didn't know if there was a smoking gun. they turned their attention to that. in fact, the only reason there's any politics or we have an investigation is because the obama administration and hillary clinton decided a few months before an election that they were going to lie about what happened in benghazi. let's be leaclear about that. if they haven't told different stories we wouldn't have an investigation. >> let me read what the clinton campaign said. these are explosive allegations this republican whistle blower's account from inside the committee may provide proof to date that the taxpayer funded investigation has been a partisan sham from the start. you know, regardless it gives them some ammunition. >> it does. it's worth noting that until the last couple of weeks most of the attacks on the committee have come from the right because it was seen as being too judicious and not being partisan.
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frankly, this is one where you have to look at the committee chairman and look at what he's done and make a judgment. trey gowdy has personal integrity. the fact he's not here is a fact he's not trying to exploit this. he interviewed witnesses that nobody else has done and i think he's conducted himself well. he'll be under extra scrutiny going forward. at the end of the day, i have a lot of confidence in trey. >> let's talk about the story there is a big void in the leadership of the house. let's start with you, congressman cole. after kevin mccarthy and others dropped out you were pleading with paul ryan the ways and means chair the former vice presidential candidate to take the job. he doesn't want the job. do you think you'll be able to convince him? >> i hope we can. in the end i trust paul to make
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the right decision. he's got a lot of things to consider. he certainly shouldn't do it if he's not willing to embrace it. but i think this is coming to him as the logical consensus person. and having served on his committee, having known him and his family for many years, i just have enormous confidence it's the right man at the right moment. but again whether or not he chooses to do that is up to him. >> congressman, i know you and your fellow members of the house freedom caucus, you have endorsed former speaker of the house. you continue to do so if paul ryan decides to come in, can you see yourself and selves as a group backing paul ryan. >> paul ryan is a good friend. we have a close relationship. we have worked on a lot of issuingissu issues. we have endorsed daniel.
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it's not about them it's about the what. what are we going to do to get 247 republicans together on the same page. what we going do so every member of the conference feels like they they're actually valuable and doing the things they need to do. >> and, congressman cole, congressman labrador has been openly frustrated. even a lot of animosity toward your friends and the leadership. john boehner is a good friend of yours. so is kevin mccarthy. do you think their points and their sort of concern is valid. >> yeah, i do. i think there's a lot of concern and we're willing to relook at those. we should. i actually think this process, as chaotic as it looks from the outside, it's difficult is a pretty healthy one. right now -- >> you're saying the chaos is
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healthy? >> i actually do. i think a lot of things are being aired that probably needed to be aired. i'm proud of the speaker for the actions he took. you know, he saw the need for new leadership. i'm proud of mccarthy to say i'm the one. we'll work it out. in the meantime, john boehner remains speaker while the process goes underway, and if my friend paul ryan decides to run, i think ultimately he'll win. if not, it's not like we're going to be without the speaker. the longer it goes on, the longer john boehner -- it's something he doesn't want. but, you know, that's just the irony of it. >> it's more than just about this moment and this speaker. it's about the larger discussion of the republican party. i've heard others say they're concerned about what this could mean for the republican chances in 2016. that this looks like republicans are in so much disarray it could hurt your chances. and to get all the things you want, whether repealing obamacare or defunding planned
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parenthood you'll need a republican in the white house. >> that's the key. we want to make sure we're together as a conference. we should be fighting the democrats not the republicans. tom and i get along very well. we disagree many times. but we get along. we're friends. i think i'm friends with many of the people on the other side. we need to get to a point we figure out how to make the house work. allow every member to participate. how we allow the process to work. we have to make sure we understand there are at lot of other people who can also bring the conference together. all the focus is on paul. i know, if he wants to do the job. we have other people in the conference i think could bring the conference together because they have -- that's why we supported daniel webster. people don't understand we had a candidate in the race who was closer to us philosophically jason chaffetz. his conservative voting record
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is different than mine. he ran the house of representatives in florida that brought people together. i think paul can do it. i don't know if you agree. i think rob would be great. he was speaker of the house in utah. there's people like that can help us come together. >> it's nice to see you getting along so well and hopefully your factions will get along. >> our agreements tend to be tactical not illogical. >> but tactics matter. >> they do. >> thank you congressman labrador and congressman cole. coming up -- >> trying to circle around this year it's inevitable. martin o'malley can't wait to be on stage with hillary clinton. what will he say when he's standing next to her on tuesday night? he'll join us live next.
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martin o'malley. he's joining me live. thank you so much for coming in. i want to start with what we reported this morning jake tapper's interview with bradley poliska the former investigator on the benghazi kyi. how do you think it plays out? do you think this proves what hillary clinton has said that this is simply a partisan exercise? >> i think it's certainly underscores that much of the benghazi committee is a larger exercise. i think we're missing the most important lesson being we have not, as a nation, made the investment in human intelligence on the ground in these countries that are so unstable and on the verge of nation state failure so we can understand who the new leaders are that are emergie leaders are that are emergimerg. i believe that's when ambassador stephens was trying to do. but he didn't have the tools and we have not invested as a nation in the intelligence human intelligence on the ground intelligence necessary to identify the next generation of
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leaders. >> and what this, i guess what the whistle blower is saying the committee turned too much on the focus of the e-mails. you said the e-mail issue is an issue for hillary clinton. does it need to be investigated? >> i think there are a couple of -- they may well be connected, but i think they're two separate issues. i don't believe -- i don't believe that the manufacturered s -- manufactured aspect is what they reported to be. whether or not the secretary violated rules, regulations, and laws and having a private server is up to her campaign and the lawyers to answer. that's an fbi investigate that will take a different course. >> let's talk about the debate coming up on tuesday. you are way behind in the early states in single digits in postpoposmost polls. before the campaign, you were the guy that everybody thought
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and hillary clinton thought they were going to have to worry about. it turned to bernie sanders. how are you turning it back to you? >> as long as we are engaged in this, those who are candidates and those who follow the candidates, it seems the campaign has been going on for a long time. the vast majority of americans searching for a new leader moving us out of the divided and self-defeating times of gridlock and inaction. the race is just beginning for the democratic party. by this time eight years ago we had nine debates. now we're having our first debate on tuesday. >> how will you use that to kind of show america, show democratic primary voters that you are the alternative to hillary clinton? >> i'm going lay out the vision and not only the vision for the better future we want for our kids where wajts are going up, where opportunities are expanding but also 15 years of executive experience which i alone have on that stage of accomplishing progressive things. it's not about the words. it's about the action.
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things we did in maryland to pull together new consensus after new consensus to pass a living wage, to pass comprehensive gun safety legislation, dream act, about the doing not about the saying. >> let's talk about the issues you would have to deal with if you were the chief executive of the country. a no-fly zone. hillary clinton is with senator mccain supporting a new fly zone. bernie sanders is president obama. >> secretary clinton is quick for the military intervention. i believe a no-fly zone right now is not advisable. this is why. no-fly zones sound attractive, but no-fly zones also have to be enforced. and given the fact that the russian air force is in the air space over syria, this could lead to an escalation of cold war proportion because of an accident and i don't think that's in the best interest of the united states. there are many fights in this
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world. not every fight is our fight. we have to stay engage there had. we have to push back against isis. we have to push up the diplomatic pressure to get russia the focus on isis. i don't believe the no-fly zone is possible. >> hillary clinton laid out a gun proposal this week she said among other things that there should be executive actions -- if she were president she would act in a way that congress hasn't been able to. is that far enough? >> when i was governor of maryland after the slaughter of the innocent in newtown, connecticut we passed comprehensive gun safety legislation. i put forward a plan for what our nation needs to do, and one piece of that, which i put forward, i think, two months ago, is we need to use our procurement, our buying powers with federal government to insist on the highest standard for manufacturers for safety technology. the microstamping of the bullets when they're fired so they can be traced back to the gun. serial numbers that can be
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effaced. that's part of four things we need to do. background checks with fingerprints and licensing is something we did in maryland. banning assault weapons, something we did in maryland, and a ban on taking the hand cuffs off our own law enforcement agencies. we bury more americans from gun deaths than any developed nation on the planet. it's about leadership. not about making speeches. stare down the nra and get it done. it's something i've done. >> you mentioned leadership hillary clinton has shifted left on several policy issues over the past couple of weeks and months. the biggest was the past week on pretty big trade deal she once called the gold standard. >> it was probably an architect. >> she seems to be moving in your direction politically. what do you think of that? >> we're already affecting the debate. we've got them where we want them. >> what do you think it says
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about her and her chances and her sort of viability? >> let me tell you for my part i was against the transpacific partnership eight months ago because i believe it's bad for the country. thomas jefferson once said in matters of fashion one should swim with the current. but on matters of principle, one should stand like a rock. i believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into these bad trade deals that offshore american jobs and american profits. we need to build up our own industries in the united states. yes, engage in trade but not at the expense of keeping our eye on the ball. when you do the trade deal it opens up the flood gates and chase cheap labor abroad and use the trade deals to evade environmental protections and standards for workers. it doesn't help the united states here at home. i'm opposed to it.
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have been for a long time. >> speaking that have quickly, any predebate raituals you engage? special ties or socks? more sleep, i hope. we've been going at it pretty hard. i've spent a lot of time in iowa. we're gaining traction every day. endorsed by 13 county chairs in iowa and continue to go to new hampshire. the great news about the presidential process is in the early stages it's an intimate one on one exercise and every individual matters. >> i'm sorry to tell you, i don't think it's going to be intimate on tuesday night but we're looking forward to. >> so am i. i hope we have more. >> i'm sure you do. governor, i know you do. thank you very much. speaking of that will luck be a lady tuesday night? the other democratic gamble on stage. debby wasserman schultz joins me next.
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paytonpayton. the las vegas strip has a new show tuesday night when cnn hosts the first democratic presidential debate. breaking this morning we're releasing the lek turn line up. based on the latest polling data. you see it from left to right. now the one name not on the list vice president joe biden. that's because he's keeping us waiting for him to decide whether or not he is running for president. joining me now is chairwoman of the democratic national committee debby wasserman schultz. thank you so much for joining me, congresswoman. before we get to joe biden, i want to start with benghazi and what we saw this morning brad pobliska saying he thinks the investigation has become partisan. but hillary clinton has a lot to explain.
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the committee insists that the powerpoint presentation he developed during the investigation was actually highly political. that he's accusing them of they're accusing each other of the same thing. can he be trusted? what do you think? >> well, i mean, i think we don't even have to go to the whistle blower lawsuit to have seen that the true intentions of the creation of the ben gghazi committee was revealed by kevin mccarthy. he said it was a committee created and bragged about how it brought hillary clinton's numbers down. i mean, so number one they basically admitted on national television that the purpose of this select committee was political. was politically motivated for the partisan witch hunt. now we have a major in the
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united states air force who worwork -- worked for the democratic national committee belie-- comm was fired because he wouldn't go along with the which hunt that the select committee has been moving toward and engaged in. now you have an admission by the people who created the committee and the employee. who said he doesn't think hillary clinton should be president. that, to me, is pretty significant credibility. >> let's turn to joe biden. there were reports hads ca s ca office on the nuts and bolts of get i getting -- will joe biden run? >> my staff at the dnc is responsible for giving briefings
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to announce candidates to candidates that are thinking about running. that's something we do routinely all the time. but the vice president, as i said many times, has been going through with his family a gut wrenching remorse that no family should have to go through. we know he has been carefully considering whether he wants to run for president of the united states. and, of course, in the democratic primary we would all have room and welcome the sitting vice president. >> very diplomatic. let's turn to somebody we know is running. bernie sanders is a self-identified socialist. if he's your party's nominee would the socialist label hurt the democratic party's chances of winning the white house in 2016? >> dana, this election is going to be decided based on what the voters believe e is the best choice in their candidate for
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president who is going to help make sure their lives can get better. any one of our candidates on that stage on tuesday night, we're excited and looking forward to cnn putting on the debate with us, any one of those candidates is in dramatic contrast to any of the republican circus candidates that circus performers on the other side. they're talking about equal pay for equal work and making sure that we can create more jobs and making sure that we can create a pathway for legal status and citizenship for immigrants in this country and the republicans are saying let's kick more immigrants out of the country, let's take away health care from women and all americans. that's the way the american people will make the choice. >> do you believe bernie sanders can beat any republican? >> i believe that any one of our candidates will stand in stark contrast when it comes to the priorities of the american people and how they're going to make the decisions on who they vote for for president to any of the republican candidates. the republicans have been trying
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to out right wing one another. between the 15 republican candidates that are left, all of whom are trying to out trump donald trump by saying, yeah, let's kick immigrants out of this country. let's take away health care from women. let's increase taxes, end medicare as we know it. any candidates on our side of the aisle talking about job creation, make sure we can expand access to health care the corner stone by helping people get a good education and having a secure retirement. any one of our candidates will be chosen and elected as president of united states of america. >> martin o'malley was here saying as he says all the time. he wants more debate. there are currently six on the books. any movement there? >> we're excited about the first debate coming up on tuesday. we have six debates throughout our cycle along with a number of candidate forums.
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looking forward to working with cnn on tuesday. there are so many people who are focussed on making sure we can look at the fact that when we had a conservative republican president losing 750 jobs a month. we went through 67 straight months of job growth in the private sector. people are no longer losing their homes. that's the contrast we'll talk about. >> congresswoman, we're looking forward to it as well. thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. and coming up he was charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. the latest on bowe bergdahl and why he may not face jail time.
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las vegas will sparkle tuesday night as democratic presidential runners try to outshine each other. the best political team on television is here to talk about that. democratic strategies donna brazil, former house republican leader, democratic strategies penny lee. let's get to the breaking news we had on cnn this morning. i'll start with you. you were virginia's top cop. based on what you're hearing about not just how the investigation is going but the whistle blower saying it turned too political.
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>> first of all, in washington so there's the presumption that everything is political. the problem with that line of argument, of course, has been boosted by the democrats in their interest to do that is americans have real questions about why four americans died, why warnings weren't acted on more forcefully or at all. and what were the there's substantive questions that haven't been answered. >> let me stop you. we've had eight investigative hearings. the state department has spent $14 million responding to congressional requests. we know the defense department has spent an insurmountable men and women hours. if they were checked in getting to the truth, they would have
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brought witnesses throughout the year to talk to intelligence, to talk to defense. this has been a partisan witch hunt. when ever they talk to democrats -- this is not a democratic -- what are they investigating now? why -- >> let's zero in. >> where are the public hearings? $4.6 million of the taxpayers money. >> you would say, gosh, this is all a show. >> i was on the hill. you talk about the department of defense. we still don't know what assets were within reach of helping the people. >> why hasn't mr. gawdy called mr. gates to testify. he wants to take downhill ri clinton and that's been proven. >> all of us lose the sight of
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one important fact that doesn't go away and that's barack obama federal bur bureau of investigation is investigating whether it's been committed. >> here we go. >> the fbi is -- look, i don't mind defending hillary clinton. they are looking to see if nip of these e-mails that will be released to the public are classified. they are making sure the server was protected. >> before she was four when she was in the state department. listen to a couple of sound bites to explain.
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>> the so called tpp will lower barriers, raise standards and drive long term growth across the region. now looking back on it, it doesn't have the results we thought it would have. as of today i'm not in favor of what i have learned about it. >> you concerned this makes her looks politically -- >> those statement, many of what was in her books was done in 2012. we're now in 2015. the trade agreement has changed. there were deadlines -- there were final negotiations that still hadded to go through. mrs. clinton has always stated she will evaluate trade agreements on the surface and meet a certain standard. she was against fast track authority on other certain trade agreements. she has shown a consistency in which he will evaluate the trade agreements on a one-on-one basis. now that she's an independent candidate, she's not in the
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obama administration, she's evaluated in its full entirety negotiated stance that it is. >> this just the same thing. she's trying to get left of the self-identified socialist. >> it's really interesting is the question is no one is asking is bernie sanders jumping to the left now that he's more supportive of the gun control. >> it's not left. >> i love the energy we have for a sunday morning. hold that thought. we have to take a break. we'll come back and talk a bit more about all of this and also tuesday night's debate. will it be game changer?
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welcome back. we have our final question for the panel. pen penny, what are you looking for in the debate? >> i'm looking for a lot more substance. we have a front-runner who is not calling opponents idiot. >> class of ideas. not a class of personalities. can't wait to get to vegas today. >> who will be the next speaker? >> anybody who tells you that is running a fool's errand. we need a strategy to fight but to fight and win and come
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together. >> the next speaker will be someone who stops trying to purr s pursue conservatives. >> thanks to all of you. join us on tuesday night live from las vegas. i'll be joining anderson cooper on the stage. i'm dana bash in washington. this is gps, global public square. welcome to you in the united states and all around the world. it's been a busy week and we'll put it all in perspective. syria, what exactly is putin's end game? israel, what is

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