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money for right now. >> wow, how long will the ious sit around? >> i don't know but a lot of people don't trust state government and a lot of people are going to indiana, wisconsin to get lottery tickets. >> thanks very much. that does it for us. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. >> donald trump on the campaign trail tonight speaking out as only he can. >> when i win, when i win, when i win we are going to make america great again, better than ever before. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon and that's not all. listen to donald trump on bloomberg tv. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time. >> jeb bush firing back calling
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trump pathetic and stunning news about lamar odom's condition. the ex nba star opens his eyes and says hi to his estranged wife khloe kardashian. >> this "ebony" magazine cover up in arms tonight but does it erase everything his show once stood for? we'll begin with donald trump tonight. his campaign rally just wrapped up in massachusetts. the 10 billion-dollar candidate not holding back. listen to what he says about stop of his rivals. >> bobby jindal. i mean, you look at, that's alfred e. newman. "mad magazine." i swear, he looks just like him. it's true. think about that, right? isn't that true? the guy has zero. he couldn't be elected dogcatcher. he's got zero.
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lindsey graham comes after me. nice guy and comes after me. a month ago, goes from five to zero so far everybody that's come after me has gone down, right? isn't that amazing? why do they keep going? there is something i don't understand. if i was one of them, i would crawl quietly out. i'd probably tweet i've decided to get out of the race. i wouldn't have a news conference. it's true. i tweet, i decided i'm going to get out of the race and then i'd sneak out to someplace with my wife and just go away. they have zero. zero and now they will go in the child stage. they call it the children's stage. that's for the debate. that's an incredible thing. >> he's on a roll there. joining me to talk about it is bob beckel and author of "i should be dead." also, larry director of the university of virginia center for politics and cnn presidential historian douglas
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brinkly is here, as well. hello, gentlemen, happy friday. donald trump on the attack again. this time it's about george bush and 9/11. listen to what he told bloomburg. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time. >> hold on, you can't blame george bush for that. >> he was president. don't blame him or don't blame him but he was president. the world trade center came down during his reign. >> bob, what is behind this comment, do you think? >> i don't know. listen, nothing about trump makes sense to me and defies political gravity i've seen but it's like when he attacked john mccain as not being a war hero. is it true that there was a lot of information that maybe bush should have known about but i mean, that's just crazy and why he's going after these guys, why are you wasting your time doing that? >> let's stick with bush now because jeb bush's response on
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twitter. here it is, bob. he says how pathetic for donald trump to critici president for 9/11. we were attacked and my brother kept us safe. how does this play out because a lot of people thought jeb bush's best moment is when he defended his brother's handling of that day? >> i think it's a mistake to go after bush on 9/11. look, it's a sad memory for a lot of people in this country, one not to be revisited and blamed on an american president. >> larry, donald trump is a political brawler. sitting on top of the polls because he's willing to throw punches. this will probably not hurt him, do you think? >> i doubt, i doubt it. nothing let the air out of his balloon so far. the word inappropriate is probably too mild. he's needling bush. he enjoys needling jeb bush and knows if he insults george w. bush he'll get at jeb bush. he also needs to remember while
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george w. bush is not popular with the general population and that's an understatement, especially with democrats and many independents, he is actually become popular again with republicans and after all, they are the ones who vote in iowa and new hampshire and republican contest. he'll probably want to move on and insult somebody else tomorrow. >> douglas, i want you to listen to this. this is ben carson reacting tonight. >> i think he said he was -- it happened on his watch but did he say that he was blaming him for it? >> you don't think he was? >> i didn't hear the statement but i would be surprised if he blamed him. that makes no sense. >> you don't think george bush has any responsibility for the attacks on 9/11? >> i think it's ridiculous to suggest he's responsible. >> what do you think of that, douglas? >> i think donald trump was totally wrong for starters to
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have said such a ridiculous thing. do we blame james madison for the burning of washington. do you blame fdr for personal harbor. very babyish but he was trying to do needle job and here you -- on getting jeb bush riled and interesting what you just played is that you're seeing ben carson, i think, coasting up to donald trump. if you have a trump carson ticket for example, they probably would be able to pull things off and i've noticed that trump starting to be kinder to ben carson and really own big public feud is about faith and that came and went. so, you know, they are in cahoots in someways together as the official outsiders. >> you think comments like that are deliberate and it's not just what comes up, comes out? >> well, i think for donald trump that's definitely deliberate because it starts discussion of how bad george w.
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bush foreign policy was overall. you know, it raises questions do you want another bush in the white house. you know, jeb's sign doesn't have bush at the end. trump sees that as a weakness on jeb bush's part and so he's looking to exploit it, looking to talk about it. there is a jerk factor with donald trump here. to beat up as you pointed out people with zero in the polls and to mock them and belittle them, i think in the end, trump is insulting american intelligence. >> bob, hillary clinton talked about donald trump today in an exclusive interview with our jake tapper. here it is. >> he has brought his oversized personality and his reality television experience to the highest level of american politics and seems to be getting a very positive response among a large part of the republican electret. so that's up to the republicans. they have to decide if that will
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be their nominee or not. i have called him out and some of the things he said which i thought were uncalled for, some insults and attacks that he's made on immigrants, women and it's just unacceptable what he let be said about the president. so i'm going to continue to criticize him for going beyond the bounds of what i think is appropriate for anybody running for president. >> bob, how do you think hillary clinton would handle donald trump in the general election and vice versa if they are the nominees? >> well, i think she's going to handle if, if in fact he's a nominee which i doubt but assume he is, i think she's going to do what she did at that debate last week which is to do a lot of substance, a lot of policy, a lot of knowledge. she is not out of her depth in any area of government or policy, and trump on foreign policy, trump is barely in the kid pool. i just think she'll beat him,
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she'll beat him up hard on what his positions are if you can figure out what they are and so far, trump has been able to avoid coming up with anything close to a policy except for on taxes and that one was not too terribly creative. >> larry, how do you think they would handle each other if they are indeed the nominee? >> well, hillary clinton or for that matter, the entiere hierarchy of the party hope donald trump is the nominee. if hillary clinton or another democrat loses to donald trump, it just means it was written in the stars in the heavens that no democrat could win in 2016. that's what it will take to elect donald trump. but unless it is an overwhelmingly republican year like say 1980 when ronald reagan beat president carter, i would think that clinton or vice president biden would probably defeat trump easily, not just defeat him but defeat him
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easily. >> doug, can we talk about joe biden because we have been waiting to see what's going to happen. will he get in this race? is it too late for him? my thing is, is this, when you hear people out in public very rarely do you hear people talking about joe biden. you hear people in washington d.c. is this a made up construct in washington where the general public does not have that much interest in a joe biden running for president? >> well, joe biden is beloved. he has a lot of fans and he could make a big difference if he gets in but his hourglass is running out. i think the fact that hillary clinton had such an astoundingly good last couple weeks, she was great on "saturday night live" and the kevin mccarthy gift of saying benghazi was about driving hillary clinton's poll numbers down and then her perfo vegas. he might. he's vice president and could
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get barack obama's e-mail list which he's co-owner of from running the last two campaigns and labor unions like him. he could get into iowa before the jackson jefferson day dinner there in iowa and i think by the end of october, he would have to get in if he's going to because you've got to get all the paperwork done for the state of georgia. so we will know for sure, don, about biden i would say in the next 10 to 14 days. >> everyone stick around. when we come right back, the conventional wisdom that says hillary clinton won this week's debate but there may be more to it. you'll be able to watch the whole debate tonight at 10:00 p.m. and coming up, we'll tell you what to look out for.
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new polls show the democratic race tightening up. have you guys been reading online and in the papers and everywhere, no, hillary won, no, bernie won, no, there is a conspiracy. bob beckel, right after the debate, so many people were quick to say hillary crushed it and social media blew up saying bernie won. who do you think won that debate? >> i don't think there is any question she did. i'm not surprised social media blew up. who is bernie's base? base is people who are the kind
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of people that would use social media, a lot of young people and so i'm not surprised that they would react that way but let's face it, in every kind of met tri -- metric about debates, if i were here i watched the debate dozens of times and i would take a tape of the debate, put it on a plane with her and watch it over and over and over again and realize that she can in fact come across a substantive likable and that was the challenge that night and she did it. >> look at the focus groups, look at the surveys, bernie comes out on top. what do the surveys really mean and how do we typically measure who won? >> well, you can do it in a number of ways, don. we had a couple of random sample surveys that really do at least within a certain margin of error represent the public view and they have rated hillary clinton
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the winner by a large margin and that was certainly my judgment, as well. as far as bernie sanders is concerned, you know, you can also judge him a winner in the sense that i think he pleased his supporters. he may not have broadened his base. i think that we didn't give him adequate credit for doing an extraordinary civil thing, which was turning to hillary clinton and basically neutralizing her biggest problem. the e-mail situation. so it was nice to see a candidate do something like that. we always say we want candidates to do that. and then when somebody does many of the pundits criticize sanders for it because he wasn't hitting her hard enough. so i say good for you, bernie, you did well, too. >> okay. douglas, what do you think? i understand you think this debate might end up being historic. what do you mean by that? >> i think it's very historic for hillary clinton.
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log v las vegas will be part of her biography and rester recollected herself and look at the numbers on cnn broke records. anybody that watched hillary clinton were reminded what they liked about her. it was a remarkable performance and bernie sanders did well. she needed somebody to square off with and he's fundraising money on it right now. he's kind of given democratic socialism a new uplift in american society. but i think it's about if hillary clinton becomes the first woman president in the united states people will look back at that debate in las vegas and say that's when the hemorrhaging of her campaign stopped. >> you think she won. listen, i want you guys to respond to this. this is from donald trump responding to jeb bush. all right? on twitter. he said at jeb bush at the debate you said your brother kept us safe. i wanted to be nice and did not mention the wtc came down during his watch.
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9/11. bob beckel? >> i don't -- you know, i'll tell you, i consider myself somewhat of an expert on presidential politics but i do not understand that. as larry pointed out, george w. bush is popular again with republicans. i mean, you look at his numbers, favorable, unfavorable in iowa is quite high and the i were donald trump, i could think of a lot more people to attack than george bush and to keep it going from my standpoint makes absolutely no sense but again, nothing trump does makes any sense to me. maybe he knows something i don't know. >> larry, how does this help him? he has personal animosity for jeb bush but how does this help donald trump? >> i'm with bob. to me, it makes no great sense although it's his m.o. it's donald trump's m.o. to double down on anything he says that's really controversial
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especially the statements that backfire because his base, which is about a quarter of the republican electret, at least as currently measured by surveys, his base loves it. they love it that he will flaunt conventional manners and circumstances and do exactly what he wants and say exactly what he wants. >> is this going to make a difference? do you think we'll continue to see it back and forth between jeb bush and donald trump over 9/11? >> for maybe for a few more days and then there will be another trump people have to deal with. if i were jeb bush i would be livid to politicalize this in this way. it helps donald trump in this sense he's unhinged and people enjoy that and he's trying to say the obama years weren't just bad, bush years, too, and that way even though he says he's not
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a populist. >> donald trump has not gone up in the polls. he's gone slightly down. his base is his base and that's all he's got and if he can't hold on to that, then he's in real trouble but right now, that 25% represents a small sliver of the american electret. >> gentlemen, thank you. have a great weekend. >> thank you. you can see jake tapper's full interview on cnn state of the union sunday at 9:00 a.m. and again at noon eastern time. good news on the lamar odom front. some encouraging signs tonight about his condition. is he defying the odds? we'll have the latest, next. good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves and your first thought is to investigate the company. you are type e*. shorten the distance between intuition and action.
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tonight what may be a breakthrough for lamar odom with his estranged wife khloe kardashian by his side at a las vegas hospital, signs are he may be turning a corner.
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randi, what do you know about his condition. >> reporter: don, we got good news late today with a source pretty close to the situation here, and this source is now telling cnn that lamar odom is conscious. that's actually the first time that we've heard he is conscious in terms of any conformation about that. we also know from this source that he said hi to khloe kardashian his estranged wife who is at his bedside ever since this incident happened and he collapsed at that ranch and we also know, don, that he is still in guarded condition from this source. >> guarded condition but do we know about the ventilator? is he still on a ventilator, randi? >> reporter: we got something from kris jenner, his mother-in-law that spoke to "access hollywood" about the ventilator and other things. she said he gave a thumbs up to those around his bedside which is again, the first time we heard anything like that. he's off the ventilator. he is using a breathing mask right now. she also told "access hollywood"
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that he's no longer in a coma but that he is still in critical condition and don, there is very serious damage to his vital organs so it's still obviously a very critical situation and they are just watching and waiting to see what happens and where his condition goes from here. >> very different news than we heard yesterday, randi and the day before. thank you very much. appreciate your reporting from the hospital. i want to bring in associate professor of medicine. good evening to both of you. you have additional reporting about lamar. what are your sources telling you? >> yeah, you know, it's very good information that randi was reporting. that's the same information we had tonight on "entertainment tonight" and we were reporting that khloe is still by his bedside and been there all day, every day for three days and wearing the same clothes she had on when she came to the hospital in the very first day.
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also, the fact that he is conscious, we did have that, as well, but we also are reporting that he is still sedated so he's actually going in and out of sleep, but the signs are really good right now and i have to tell you, don, after you had your interview last night with metta world peace, i ran into him and he was very, very hopeful and said he was getting good information leading to these type of things happening. a lot of good news. >> there is also some -- what did he say, information to what he said to khloe when he woke up? >> the information we heard and reporting he woke up and said morning, hi, baby. and then he kind of didn't say much else. the doctors did ask him how he was doing and feeling and gave that thumbs up sign to them. >> his, lamar's ex and mother of his children said the truth is god is good, all the time. continued prayers for my children and their father, thank you for the support and the well
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wishes. remarkable moment for the people who love him, michelle. >> listen, there was a lot of prayers going out for lamar and, you know, whether or not you believe in the power of prayer, the people that do believe this maybe indeed made a difference but also there is everyone whose continuously said lamar odom is a fighter. maybe he simply fought his way back. let's hope if this is good news and if there is a road to recovery that there is a major life lesson. >> well, let's get more information on that. expert information. yesterday things were not looking good and now today, you know, we get this incredible news. how typical is it to come out of a coma given the factors that put him in the hospital in the first place? >> there are several potential causes for a coma. actually drug overdose is one cause that people tend to come out of a little bit more easily than some of the other causes, for example traumatic brain injury. we do see people recover from comas, sometimes takes a week, couple weeks, but coming out of
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it after a few days is very encouraging in the fact that he apparently spoke, is able to speak is definitely good news. however, we're certainly not out of the woods and if we're talking about organ failure, it's a waiting game to find out how fully he will recover and what kind of functioning he will have long-term. >> why is it in comparison to traumatic brain injury, for drugs it's easier to come out of a coma. >> the way drugs affect your brain, it may slow down your respirati respiration, breathing, oxygen delivery to the brain where traumatic brain injury, you're damaging the blown with a traumatic blow. that could be more difficult to recover from. when the drugs are out of your system, if you haven't lost that much time in terms of oxygen reaching your brain, you can make a full recovery. >> we know it took him extra time to get to the hospital because reportedly he could not fit in the medical helicopter they originally sent. the fact that he is an athlete,
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doctor, that could prove helpful. >> absolutely. we talk in medicine about good and bad, the state you're in before you get sick affects how you recover from an insult or injury and the fact he was in great shape as an athlete i'm sure is playing a role in how quickly he recovers. >> michelle, do we know who is in that hospital? khloe is there and metta was here last night and hasn't gone to the hospital. he said his friend was across the street at a hotel is not allowed. who is still there? >> it's basically just been limited to family and pretty much khloe. his ex-girlfriend, his children were there and so they are visiting, as well, as well as his aunt and possibly his father. we know kris jenner, kim kardashian, coukourtney, kylie
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kendall were there. they are going back to las vegas to be with khloe. there are people around him at all times and i think they always just want that presence. one of the things khloe said she was talking to him in his coma because she believed he could hear her and she believed maybe that could be something jarring to bring him out hearing her voice. >> i'll tell you about that family, they certainly stood by him throughout this and more. >> they do. >> they have a very good sense of family. >> they stick together. >> yes, they do. >> doctor, i want to ask about reports he suffered a stroke or heart attack, too, because you said you have to see how much long-term damage is possibly there. >> that's right. i mean, if we're also talking about a heart attack, so that's damage to the heart muscle, a stroke which is damage to the brain, the recovery is going to be much more complicated, and we don't know if he'll fully recover all the functioning of the heart and the brain. the fact that he's talk sg a good sign but in terms of
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walking and resuming his normal life, his normal activities, if there is a heart attack or stroke involved, it may not be fully back. >> at this point, there is no way to say how long he's going to be in the hospital considering we don't know yet. >> we don't know. they are saying critical condition, which means it's still very much a touch and go situation and if his organs are failing, that's still quite dangerous. really too soon to say how long he'll be there. >> okay. thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, is the "cosby show" legacy shattered? the controversial magazine cover that has a lot of people up in arms tonight. we'll discuss.
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okay, everyone, sit down and watch this. i have been waiting all day. couldn't wait to have this conversation. some people are pretty upset tonight about the cover of november's "ebony" magazine. it features a shattered image of the cast of "the cosby show." did it ruin the legacy of the
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family? joining me is editor in chief of "ebony magazine." welcome. let's talk. >> let's talk. >> people are mad. they are mad at this cover because they believe that "ebony magazine" is supposed to show glowing images of african americans. >> some people, you mean black people because it's personal to us and this is what we knew. you know, i mentioned earlier that i haven't slept in two days simply because the anxiety around bringing a topic this sensitive to black america would keep one up. the fact remains we got to have the conversation. >> that's the point of it, isn't it? >> that's the entire point and someone asked me why are you being so fearless and how is "ebony" being so fearless? >> what is the conversation we must have, as you said? >> first of all, we must ask the big, loaded questions, can we,
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should we separate the man from the fiction, the fictional character who we all loved, needed and some respects worshipped the idea behind the notion behind. >> film and theater critic, this is lisa kennedy in the article says cliff is huxtable is not the same guy and adds maybe we need to look for our artists, complexity. i think the more we read the success of shows for what they say about us at a particular moment in time and not confuse their stars for their characters even when they want us to like cosby, the smarter will be as humans. if we can separate the man from the character. i think that's a very good point. >> it's a good point and i think it's one -- >> a lot of people can't separate. >> some people can't. some argue we shouldn't.
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this is a conversation we had internally in the offices about not just bill cosby. there is r kelly, miles davis, it's historic and current. it's the modern conversation because there are flawed characters that make up popular culture and people we engage with at multiple levels all the time and they representative that we are very, very sensitive about depictions and invite everyone to engage with the article because the commentary -- >> listen, i found the article engaging. i did not agree with all of the article. >> i hope you don't. >> here is the thing, the reason we're talking about this is because the cosby family, right, that family, that was what many african americans aspire to to have this in tact family. >> and still do. >> and still do. there is nothing wrong with that and there are many families, i grew up in neighborhoods with families like that, went to
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southern university. >> my parents have been married for 50 years, my husband's parents married for 50 years. >> when i found in the article is it's sort of like that was not believable. that's not part of the african american culture is having a family that's like the huxtables. i know many. that's what i got when it talked about to grieve with regan and made daniel patrick, the report on the negro scene seemed like they were in agreement. there are many african americans like the huxtables and there had before. >> there have been and still are and will be. the larger question that will detail our writer was posing was one about black respectability politics and how well that serves us. does it serve us at all to buy into this notion that perfection as we -- >> explain respectability. if you -- respectability means if you act right or act a certain way you won't be discriminated against. >> right, somehow your blackness
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will no longer feel like the burden it sometimes tends to feel like in the united states of america. >> right. >> if you perform at a certain level, if you look a certain way, if your name is not shaniqua and if your son's jeans are not hanging from his behind, perhaps you're a better type of black person. >> sometimes people get it confused, self-respect to respectability politics because you can respect yourself and don't give a damn what white people think. >> black people are very respectable people -- >> go ahead, girl. >> this notion of us being kings and queens is no joke and very real and very authentic for black people. we have a certain amount of pride which is not necessarily attached to the white lens, however, so much of what we do if we're honest is quite frankly and i think we're at a cross roads. we have seen many years, the most recent years of police brutality against black people.
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we have seen crisis situations that african americans have had to face, unique to them that we simply shouldn't be faced with in modern times. so we no longer can afford notions of perfection and -- that are so burden to us we are willing to hide i'm pmperfectio >> there is nothing wrong with aspiring to have the kind of family that -- >> oh, no. >> but there is nothing wrong with the product of a single mother, we can hold those two thoughts at the same time. >> yes, that's what i said. we can chew gum and dribble the ball at the same time, how about that? we can celebrate a family that looks like the cosby, the construct and we can celebrate a black single mother and we can celebrate two gay dads and we can celebrate the breath of black life in america. this is not our only example of
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perfection. >> i have to say if -- keep doing this because i think this is what we need. i often do things provocative because the whole point is to get people to talk about it and discuss it. >> in a healthy way. >> not that you're making a judgment, you're saying here, take a look at this. what do you think of it? >> our cover lines are very basic. we meant not to lead in any way. you come to this with what you have and you come away from it with what you get. >> it's fantastic. >> fantastic. >> whether you agree or disagree, keep doing it. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> take care. coming up, the legacy of "the cosby show" tainted forever or will we ever be able to appreciate it for what it is?
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ask your doctor if opdivo is right for you. bristol-myers squibb thanks the patients and physicians who participated in the opdivo clinical trial. bill cosby's image as american dad has been shattered but does the down fall erase everything his show once stood for? cnn contributor and former member of the south carolina house of representative and back with me is nashel, look at this, y'all, do i have to go and renew my subscription to "ebony"
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magazine? >> you shouldn't have let it lapse. >> i did. i moved around a lot and -- >> well -- >> listen, we were kind of talking about this in the break. we were definitely talking about this in the break and i think "ebo "ebony" magazine put themself back and i say bravo and applaud them for this cover and starting this conversation because this is a conversation that number one black america needs to have with itself and that we need to have and i'm not saying that i agree with the cover, that i even agree with -- >> you don't have to. >> because i don't agree with everything but i think this is exactly what we need to be doing right now, having this conversation because we've all been afraid to. >> what do you think of this cover? >> first of all, everyone growing up, you would go in your grandmother's house or mother's house and listen to the mississippi mass choir and on the table was an "ebony" magazine and the center piece for black discussion.
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i'm glad we're back at this point, one point walter scott's only voice down in north charleston, south carolina. i'm glad they are having this conversation because to be frank, it's hard to push a democratic party where and a republican party where they haven't talked about issues that affect minority issues for a long period of time. if we're not willing to talk about that ourselves. i'm glad that ebony magazine is putting it out at the forefront. >> well, i think the timing is perfect, don. what's going to happen is legally lots is blowing up with bill cosby. we know he was deposed recently. and we're hearing by december, close to christmastime, the contents of that deposition may come out. there are other lawsuits that are pending across the issue. so this is an issue that's not going anywhere. so people have to get ready to deal with what may be pretty
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ugly facts about bill cosby and the character they love so much. >> malcolm jamal warner was reunited with his former cosby co-star on the show. here it is. >> when we've had images that perpetuate the negative stereotype of people of color, we've always had the cosby show to hold up against that. and the fact that we no longer have that kind of leaves us not in a great place in terms of having the wide scope of the images of people of color. keisha said an interesting thing. her perspective is the legacy cannot be taken away because all of the good that that show has done cannot be taken away. the generation of people of color who have chosen to go to college because they watched
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that show -- >> let's move on. >> -- you can't take that away. >> anna navarro led that conversation, asked him about that cover. what's your take on that? >> oh, gosh. so much. first of all, don't interrupt that man. >> i know. >> it was a great conversation. don't do that. second of all. we didn't play what ramon symone said. she was trying to minimalize it as this was just a fictional show and we had writers and this wasn't real. for a lot of people of color, it was a reality that we all wanted because we were coming out of the era of the '70s and television and movies. this is what we had in 1984 as a positive stereotype -- >> it wasn't what many people wanted. it was what many people had.
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one of the reasons i'm doing what i'm doing now -- there were no people on television who looked like my family. it was, you know, j.j. and whatever. which is fine. those families were real and they existed. it looked like the people in my neighborhood, the kinds of homes they had, the kinds of events they went to. they went to hbcu colleges. all had degrees and they worked as professors and doctors and engineers. >> but that's not. >> i was happy to see that on television. i know that's not all of black america. >> even now people still grasp those images. i mean even rest in peace uncle phil, you're the only father i ever knew. this is very real whether or not it's uncle phil or bill cosby. i also want to highlight one other thing.
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>> go ahead. >> while we're talking about the value of women dealing with bill cosby, it must be said that this discussion is being led by powerful women. the writer is a powerful woman. this is an amazing discussion we're having and i'm glad we're having. >> claire huxtable was a powerful woman on the show as well. go ahead. >> and don, you're right -- >> i just want to say -- >> -- with that too. >> to the extent that conversation is going to be had, it should be by a black magazine led by black women and by someone we trust in the black community. i disagree about the importance of the cosby show for this generation. my teenage kids could care less about the cosbys, don't know who the cosbys are. and i have to give them a history lesson. the rap culture. as much as we hold the cosbys true to our heart -- >> i may have overreached, i'll
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give you that. >> did you say i was right about something? >> no, she didn't. >> stop the presses and recall ripley's. i think you do make a good point. there were so many families who may have been working class, middle class families who were saying finally we are getting to see ourselves mirrored. >> i got to run. >> families like my own who said i want that out of life. >> thank you. have a great weekend. we'll be right back. >> thank you, don. it's here! the most advanced iphone yet. get the new iphone 6s at t-mobile. the network that's double it's lte coverage in the past year. our new extented range lte™ signal now reaches twice as far as before.
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