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we're going to be discussing a lot of the issues you have brought up. i want to begin with concerns the voters have about each of the candidates here on this stage. secretary clinton, start with you. plenty of politicians evolve on issues. even some believe you change your feelings on ex-pedestrian yency. you supported his trade deal dozens of times. now suddenly last week you're against it. will you say anything to get elected? >> actually, i have been very consistent over the course of my entire life. i have always fought for the same values and principles. like most human beings, i do absorb new information. take the trade deal. i did say when i was secretary of state three years ago that i hoped it would be the gold standard. it was just finally negotiated last week. in looking at it, it didn't meet
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my standards, my standards for more new good jobs for americans. and i want to make sure that i can look into the eyes of any middle class american and say, this will help raise your wages and i concluded i could not. >> the question is really about political expediency. in july, you told the crowd, take a backseat to no one when it comes to progressive values. last month, you said you plead guilty to kind of moderate and center. do you change your political identity based on who you're talking to? >> no. i think like most people that i know, i have a range of views but they are rooted in my values and experience. i don't take a backseat to anyone when it comes to progressive experience and progressive commitment. when i left law school, my first job was with the children's defense fund. all the years since, i have been focused on how we're going to unstack the debt and make it
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possible for more people to have the experience i had, to be able to come from a grandfather who was a factory workers and now asking the people of america to elect me president. >> are you a progressive or a moderate? >> i'm a progressive, but i'm a progressive that likes to get things done. and i know how to find common ground and i know how to stand my ground and i approve that in every position i have. even dealing with republicans who never had a good word to say about me, honestly. but we found ways to work together on reforming foster care and adoption to children's health insurance program. so i have a long history of getting things done rooted in the same values i've always had. >> senator sanders, a poll says half the country would not put a socialist in the white house. you call yourself a democratic socialist. how can any kind of socialist wib in the united states?
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>> first we're going to explain what democratic socialism is. it is immoral and wrong that the top one-tenth of 1% in this country own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. that it is wrong today in a rigged economy that 57% of all new income is going to the top 1%. that when you look around the world you see every other major country providing health care to all people as a right except the united states. you see every other major country saying to moms that when you have a baby, we're not going to separate you from your newborn baby because we are going to have -- we are going to have medical and family paid leave like every other country on earth. those are some of the principles that i believe in and i think we should look to countries like denmark, like sweden, and norway and learn from what they have
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accomplished for their working people. [ cheers and applause ] >> denmark is a country that has a population of 5.6 million people. the question is really about electability here. that's what i'm trying to get at. the republican attack ad against you, it writes itself, you honeymooned in the soviet union and just this weekend you said you're not a capitalist. >> let's look at the facts. the facts that are very simple. republicans win when there is a low voter turnout and that is what happened last november. 63% of the american people didn't vote, anderson. 80% of young people didn't vote. we are bringing out huge turnouts and creating excitement all over this country. democrats, the white house on down, will win when there is excitement and a large voter
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turn out. >> you don't consider yourself a capitalist, though? >> do i consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little, no, i don't. i believe in a society where all people do well, not just a handful of billionaires. >> let me just be clear, is there anybody else on this stage who's not a capitalist? >> let me just follow up on that, anderson, because when i think about call tallism, i think about all the small businesses that were started because we have the student and the freedom in our country for people to do that. and i don't think we should confuse what we have to do every so often in america which is save capitalism from itself. and i think what senator sanders is saying certainly makes sense in the terms of the inquality we have. we are not denmark.
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i love denmark. we are the united states of america and it's our job to reign in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn't run amuck and cause inequities we're seeing in our system. we would be making a great mistake to turn our backs on what made the greatest middle class in the history of the world. >> everybody is in agreement that with rea great ent newer y'all nation. you can have all of the growth that you want and it doesn't mean anything if all of the new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. so what we need to do is support small and medium-sized businesses, the backbone of our economy, but we have to make sure that every family in this country gets a fair shake. >> i do want to quickly get everybody in.
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governor chafee, you've been everything but a socialist. you've obviously been a democrat for a little more than two years. why should democratic voters trust you won't change again. >> anderson, you're looking at a block of granite -- >> it seems like soft granite, though. >> on the issues. i have not changed on the issues. i was a liberal republican, then i was an independent, and now i'm a proud democrat, but i have not changed on the issues. and i open my record to scrutiny. whether it's on the environment, a woman's right to choose, fiscal responsibility, a version to foreign fen tanglements. time and time again, i have never changed. you're looking at a block of -- >> why change labels? >> the party left me. there's no doubt about that. there was no room for a liberal moderate republican in that party. i even had a primary for my
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reelection in 2006. i won it, but the money poured in to defeat me in rhode island. >> governor o'malley, you tout your record as baltimore's mayor. that city exploded in riots and violence in april. the current top prosecutor blames your policies for sowing the seeds of unrest. >> i believe she said there's a lot of policies that have led to this unrest. anderson, when i -- >> she actually, just for the record, she was asked which policies, she said zero tolerance. there's a number of old policies we're seeing the result of communities don't want to step forward and say who killed a 3-year-old, it's a direct result of these failed policies. >> one of the things that was not reported was an arrest that had fallen to a 38-year low in
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the year prior to freddie gray's tragic death. when i ran for mayor of baltimore, it was not because our city was doing well, it was because we had allowed ourselves to become the most violent and addicted city in america. we put our city on a path to reduce violent -- part one crime by more than any major city in america over the next ten years. i attended a lot of funerals. including one for a family of seven fire bombed in their sleep for picking up the phone in a poor african-american neighborhood and calling the police because of drug dealers on their corner. we've saved over a thousand lives in baltimore in the last 5 15 years of people working together. and a vast majority of them were young and poor and black. we saved lives and we gave our city a better future and
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improving policing community relations. >> in one year alone, 100,000 arrests were made in your city, a city of 640,000 people. the naacp sued you, the city, and the city actually settled saying a lot of those arrests were without proximate cause. >> that's true, they were settled. arrests peaked in 2003. but they declined every year after that as we restored peace in our poorer neighborhoods so that people could actually walk and not have to worry about their kids or their loved ones being victims of violent crime. look, none of this is easy. none of us has all the answers. together as the city, we saved a lot of lives. it was about leadership, principle and bringing people together. >> senator webb, in 2006, you called affirmative action state-sponsored racism. you said it discriminates against whites.
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given that nearly half the democratic party is non-white, aren't you out of step with where the democratic party now? >> the democratic party and the reason i decided to run as a democrat has been the party that gives people who otherwise have no voice in the quarters of power, a voice. that is not determined by race. i have always supported affirmative action for african-american. that's the way the program was originally designed because of the unique history in this country with slavery and the laws that followed. what i have discussed is the idea that when we create diversity programs that include everyone, quote, of color, other than white, struggling whites, like the families in the appalachian mountains, we're not being true to the democratic party principle of elevating the level of consciousness among our
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people about the hardships that a lot of people happen to be white have. >> let's move onto some of the most pressing issues facing our country right now. we're going to start with guns. the shooting in oregon earlier this month. it brought the issue of guns into the national conversation. over the last week, guns have been the most discussed political topic on facebook by 2-1. senator sanders, you voted against the brady bill. you also supported allowing riders to bring guns in checked bags on amtrak trains. you said that holding gun manufacturers legally responsible is a bad idea now you say you're reconsidering that. which is it? >> let's begin by understanding that bernie sanders has a d-minus voting record from the nra. let's also understand that back in 1988 when i first ran for the
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united states congress, i told the gun owners of the state of vermont and i told the people of the state of vermont, a state which has virtually no gun control, that i supported a ban on assault weapons. i have strongly supported background checks doing away with this terrible loophole. and i think we got to move aggressively at the federal level dealing with the strawman purchases. there are thousands of people in this country today who are suicidal, who are homicide l, but can't get the mental health care they need because they don't have insurance or they're too poor. i believe that everybody in this country with a mental crisis has got to get mental health help immediately. this was a large and complicated bill. for example, do i think that a gun shop in the state of vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody and that somebody goes
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out and does something crazy that that gun shop owner should be held responsible, i don't. on the other hand, where you have manufacturers and gun shops knowingly giving guns to criminals or aiding and abetting that, of course we should take action. >> secretary clinton, is bernie sanders stuff enough on guns? >> no. not at all. we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence. this has gone on too long. it's time the entire country stood up against the nra. [ cheers and applause ] the majority of our country supports background checks and even the majority of gun owners do. senator sanders did vote five times against the brady bill. since it was passed, more than 2 million prohibited purchases have been prevented. he also did vote as he said for this immunity provision. i voted against it. it was in the senate at the same time. it wasn't that complicated to
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me. it was pretty straightforward to me that he was going to give immunity to the only industry in america, everybody else has to be accountable, but not the gun manufacturers. and we need to stand up and say enough of that. we're not going to let it continue. >> senator sanders, you have to give a response. >> there's a senator from a rural state, what i can tell secretary clinton that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. i believe that there is a consensus in this country. a consensus that said we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with gun control loophole, that we have to address the issue of meblt health, we have to deal with the straw man purchasing
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issue. when we develop that c-- >> governor o'malley, you passed gun legislation, but you had a democratic controlled legislature how can you? >> i also had to overcome a lot of opposition in the leadership of my own party to get this done. it's fine to talk about all these things and i'm glad we're talking about these things, but i've actually done them. we've passed gun safety legislation, not by looking at the pollings. we actually did it. and anderson, here tonight in our audience are two people that make this issue very, very real. sandy and loni phillips are here from colorado. their daughter jessie was one of those who lost their lives in that awful mass shooting in aur err aurora. they went to court, where
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sometimes progress does happen when you file in court. you want to talk about a rigged game, senator? the game was rigged. a man had sold 4,000 rounds of military ammunition to this -- this person that killed their daughter, riddled her body with five bullets and he didn't even ask where it was going. they were slapped with $200,000 in court fees because of the way that the nra gets its way in our congress and we take a backseat. it's time to stand up and pass comprehensive gun safety legislation as a nation. >> senator sanders, i want you to be able to respond. >> i think the governor gave a very good example about the weaknesses in that law and i think we have to take another look at it. here is the point, governor. we can raise our voices, but i come from a rural state. and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states whether we like
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it or not. our job is to bring people together around strong common sense legislation. i think there is a vast majority in this country who want to do the right thick and i intend to lead the country in bringing -- >> senator -- >> senator, it was not about rural and urban. have you ever been to the anywhere shore? we were able to pass this and still respect the hunting traditions of people who live in our rural areas. we did it by leading with principle. not by pandering to the nra. >> voting record -- i don't think i am pandering. you have not been in the united states congress. when you -- check it out. if you think that we can simply go forward and pass something tomorrow without bringing people together, you are surely -- >> let me bring in somebody with a different viewpoint.
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senator webb, you once had a a rating from the nra. you said gun violence goes down when more people carry guns. >> there are two fundamental issues involved in this discussion. the first is the issue of who should be kept from having guns and using firearms. and we have done not a good job on that. a lot of them are criminals and a lot of the people getting killed are members of gangs inside urban areas and a lot of them are mentally incapacitated. the shooting in virginia tech in '07, this individual had received medical tear for mental illness from three different professionals who were not allowed to share the information. so we do need background checks. we need to keep the people who should not have guns away from them. we have to respect the tradition in this country of people who
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want to defend themselves and their family from violence. people are going back and forth here for ten minutes. there are people in high levels in this government who have body guards, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. the average american does not have that and deserves the right to be able to protect mare family. >> governor chafee, what do you think about what senator webb just said? >> the reality is despite these trablgdies that happen time and time again, when legislators step up to pass common sense gun safety legislation, the gun lobby moves in and tells the people they're coming to take away your guns. and they're successful at it. in colorado and other states, the legislators then get defeated. so i would bring the gun lobby in and say we've got to change this. where can we find common ground.
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the leaders, come on, we've got to change this. we're not coming to take away your guns. we believe in the second amendment. >> anderson, when the nra wrote to -- when the nra wrote to the members in our state and told people with hunting traditions lies about what our comprehensive gun safety legislation is, i wrote right back to them and laid out what it actually did. that's why not only did we pass it, but the nra didn't dare to petition -- >> i want to move onto another issue in the headlines right now. secretary clinton, russia, they're challenging the u.s. and syria. they've lied about who they're bombing. you spearheaded the reset with russia. did you underestimate the russians and as president, what would your response to vladimir putin be right now in syria. >> first of all, we got a lot of business done with russians when
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medvedev was the president. we got an ability to bring important material to our soldiers in afghanistan. when putin came back in and said he was going to be president, that did change the relationship. we have to stand up to his bullying and specifically in syria, it is important and i applaud the administration because they are engaged in talks right now with the russians to make it clear that they've got to be part of the solution to try to end that bloody conflict and to provide safe zones so that people are not going to have to be flooding out of syria at the rate they are. i think it's important too that the united states make it very clear to putin that it's not acceptable for him to be in syria, creating more chaos, bombing people on behalf of assad. we can't do that if we don't take more of a leadership position. >> senator sanders, what would you do differently?
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>> when we talk about syria, you're talking about a quagmire in a quagmire. you're talking about groups of people trying to overthrow assad. other groups of people fighting isis. you're talking about people fighting isis using their guns to overthrow assad and vice versa. i'm the former chairman of the senate veterans committee. in that capacity, i learned a powerful lesson about the cost of war. i will do everything that i can to make sure that the united states does not get involved in another quagmire like we did iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country. we should be putting together a coalition of arab countries who should be leading the effort. we should be supportive. but i do not support american ground troops in syrian. >> i want to go to dana bash.
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>> governor chafee, you were the only republican in the senate to vote against the iraq war. you say secretary clinton should be disqualified from the presidency because she voted in favor of using force in iraq. she since said her vote is a mistake. why isn't that good enough? >> that's very significant. the worst decision in american history. i just heard from senator sanders. as we look ahead, if you're going to make those poor judgment calls, at critical time in our history. we just finished with the vietnam era, getting back into another quagmire. if you're looking ahead and looking at someone who made that poor decision in 2002, when there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction in iraq, that's an indication of how someone will perform in the future and that's what's important. >> secretary clinton, he's
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questioning your judgment. >> well, i recall very well being on a debate stage i think about 25 times with then senator obama debating this very issue. after the election, he asked me to become secretary of state. he valued my judgment. and i spent a lot of time with him, you know, in the situation room going over some very difficult issues. you know, i agree completely. we don't want american troops on the ground in syria. i never said that. what i said was we had to put together coalition, something that i worked on before i left the state department to do. yes, it should include arabs, people in the region. because what i worry about is what will happen with isis gaining more territory, having more reach, and frankly posing a threat to our friends and neighbors in the region and far beyond. so i think what you're talking about, the tough decision that president obama had to make
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about osama bin laden where i was one of his few advisors or putting together that coalition to impose sanctions on iran, i think i have a lot of -- >> senator sanders, i want to bring you in here. my question for you, as a congressman, you voted against the iraq war, you voted against the gulf war. you're just talking about syria. under what circumstances would a president sanders actually use force. >> let me just respond to something the secretary said. first of all, she is talking about, as i understand it, a no-fly zone in syria which i think is a very dangerous situation, could lead to real problems. second of all, i heard the same evidence from president bush and dick cheney and don roms feld about why we should over throw saddam hussein. i would urge people to go to bernie sanders.com and hear what i said in 2002. much of what i thought would
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happen about the destabilization did in fact happen. so i think the president is trying very hard to thread a tough needle here. that is to support those people against assad, against isis without getting us on the ground there and that's the direction -- >> senator sanders, you didn't answer the question. under what circumstances would you actually use force? >> obviously i vote the when president clinton said let's stop ethnic cleansing in kosovo, i voted for that. when our country is threatened or when our allies are threatened, i believe that we need coalitions to come together to address the major crises in this country. i do not support the united states getting involved in unilateral action. >> i'm going to bring you all in on this --
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>> secretary clinton voted to authorize military force in iraq. she wanted to arm syrian rebels. is she too quick to use military force? >> no president, no commander in chief should take the military option off the table. even if most of us would agree that it should be the last option. what disturbed people so much about -- and i would agree with senator sanders on this i know that plays well in leading us into eye iraq under false pretenses and telling us as a people that there were represents of mass destruction there was one of the worst wonders in modern american history. the reason people remain angry about it, people feel like a lot of our legislatures got. >> reporter:ed -- >> reporter:ed. people were talking and saying it will take us a couple years to rebuild democracy.
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i thought, has this world gone man. contrary to john quincy adams advice, searching the world for monsters to destroy, when we use political might to take at the expense of democratic principles -- >> don't you want -- does she want to use military force too rapidly? >> i believe as president i would not be so quick to pull for a military tool. i believe that a no-fly zone in syria at this time, actually, secretary, would be a mistake. you have to enforce no-fly zones. with the russian air force in the air, it could lead to an escalation that we would deeply regret. i think ultimately, you want to talk about blunders, i think assad's invasion of sear e syria will be seen as a blunder. >> well, first of all -- >> can i get in this discussion
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at some point? >> yes. >> thank you. i've been standing over here for ten minutes. >> well, i am in the middle here. lots of things coming from all directions. i have to say i was very pleased when governor o'malley endorsed me for president in 2008. i enjoyed his strong support in that campaign and i consider him obviously a friend. there's a lot of loose talk going on here. we are already flying in syria just as we are flying in iraq. the president has made a very tough decision. what i believe and why have have advocated that the know-fly zone which would be in a coalition be put on the table, i'm trying to figure out who leverage we have to get russia to the table. diplomacy is not about getting to the perfect solution. it's about how you balance the risk. >> thank you. >> i think we have an
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opportunity here and i know that inside the administration this is being hotly debated to get that leverage to try to get the russians -- >> thank you. >> -- to have to deal with eastbound in the region to begin to move -- >> thank you, secretary. senator webb, you said you would never have used military force in libya and the attack in benghazi was inevitable. should secretary clinton have seen that attack coming? >> let's start with why russia is in syria right now. there are three strategic failings that have allowed this to occur. the first was the invasion of iraq which destabilized iraq and impowered iran. the second was the arab spring that allowed terrorists movements to move in there. the third was the recent deal allowing iran to move forward and eventually acquire a nuclear
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weapon which send bad signals, bad body language into the region about iran becoming a stronger piece in the formula in that part of the world. i say this as someone who spent five years in the pentagon, whose son fought in iraq, i fought in vietnam. if you want a place where we need to be in terms of our national strategy, the greatest strategic threat we have right now is resolving our relationship with china. and we need to do this because of their aggression in the region. >> senator. >> -- because of the way they dreet their own people. i've been waiting for ten minutes. >> you're over your time. >> you've let a lot of people go over their time. >> you agreed to the debate rules. >> to the government of china, you do not own the south china sea. you do not have the right to conduct cyber warfare against tens of millions of american
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citizens. we will do something about that. >> senator sanders, i want you to be able to respond. >> pardon me? >> i'd like you to get in on this. >> i think mr. putin is going to regret what he is going i think that when he gets into that -- >> doesn't seem to be the type of guy to regret a lot. >> i think he is already regretting what he did in crimea. i think what he is trying to do now is save some face. i think when russians get killed in syria and when he gets bogged down, i think the russian people are going to give him a message that maybe they should come home, maybe they should start working with the united states to rectify the situation. >> governor webb has said he
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would never have used military force in libya and that the attack on the u.s. kons late in benghazi was inevitable. >> let's remember what was going on. we had a murderous dictator who had american blood on his hands as i'm sure you remember, threatening to massacre large numbers of the libyan people. we had our closest allies in europe burning up the phone lines begging us to help them try to prevent when they saw as a mass genocide in their words and we had the arabs standing by our side saying, we want you to help us deal with gadhafi. our response, which i think was smart power at its best is that the united states will not lead this we will provide essential unique capabilities that we have, but the europeans and the arabs had to be first over the line. we did not put one single american soldier on the ground
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in libya. and i'll -- >> american citizens did lose their lives in benghazi. >> i'll get to that. but i think it's important since i understand senator webb's very strong feelings about this to explain where we were then and to point out that i think president obama made the right decision at the time. and the libyan people had a free election, the first time since 1951. and you know what, they voted for moderates. they voted with the hope of democracy because of the arab spring, because of of a lot of things. there were turmoil to be followed. but also you believe the united states should not send diplomats to anyplace that is dangerous, which i do not, then when we send them forth, there is always the potential for danger and risk. >> governor o'malley -- >> anderson -- >> we'll go to webb. >> to be learned from benghazi. those lessons are that we need to do a much better job as a
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nation of having human intelligence on the ground so that we know who the emerging next generation leaders are that are coming up to replace a dictator when his time on this planet ends. i believe that's what chris stevens was trying to do. we have failed as a country to invest in the human intelligence that would allow us to make better decisions in libya and syria today. it's a huge national security failing. >> senator webb. >> thank you -- >> this was not about benghazi per se. to me it is the inevidefvitabilf something like benghazi occurring in the way that we intervened in libya. we had no treaties at risk, there was no threat of attack. there is plenty of time for a president to come to the congress and request authority to use military force in that situation. i called for it on the senate floor again and again. i called for it in senate
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hearings. it is not a wise thing to do. try to get to the tripoli airport today. you can't do it. >> secretary webb, you served in vietnam, you're a marine. once a marine, always a marine. you're a decorated war hero. you became secretary of the navy. during the vietnam war, the man standing next to you, senator sanders applied for a status as a con che yen shus objector. >> everybody makes their decisions at the time there is conscription. as long as they go through the legal process, i respect that. it would be for the voters to decide whether senator sanders or anyone else should be president. i will say this. coming from a military family with my brother a marine, my son was a marine in iraq, i served a a marine, i am very comfortable that i am the most qualified
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person standing up here today to be your commander in chief. >> tell an american soldier watching right now tonight in afghanistan why you can be commander in chief? >> let me applaud my good friend jim webb for his service to his country in so many ways. jim and i, under jims leadership, passed the most significant veterans education bill in recent history. we followed suit with few years later passing under my leadership the most significant veterans health care legislation in the modern history of this country. [ applause ] when i was a young man, i'm not a young man today. when i was a young man, i strongly opposed the war in vietnam. not the brave men that fought in that war, but the policy that got us in that war.
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that was my view then. i supported the war in afghanistan. i supported president clinton's effort to deal with ethnic cleansing a kosovo. i support air strikes in syria. i happen to believe from the bottom of my heart that war should be the last resort that we have got to exercise diplomacy. but, yes, i am prepared to take this country into war if that is necessary. >> 30 seconds for each of you. governor chafee, who or what is the greatest national security threat to the united states? >> i have to answer one thing about the iran deal. i'm a strong proponent. he said that because of the iran deal, that enabled russia to come in. that's not true, senator webb. i respect your foreign policy chops. russia is aligned with iran and with assad and the shias in syria. that iran deal did not -- >> senator i got to give you 30
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seconds to respond. >> i believe that the signal that we sent to the region when the iran nuclear deal was concluded was that we are accepting iran's greater position in this very important balance of power among our greatest ally israel, and the sunnis represented by the saudi regime and iran. it was a position of weakness and encouraged the acts we've seen. >> what is the greatest national security threat to the united states? >> it's certainly the chaos in the middle east. there's no doubt about it. >> governor o'malley? >> i believe nuclear iran remains the greatest threat, climate change of course makes cascading threats even worse. >> secretary clinton? >> i think it has to be continued threat from the spread of nuclear weapons, nuclear material that can fall into the wrong hands. i know the terrorists are constantly seeking it.
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that's why we have to stay vigilant but also united to prevent that. >> senator sanders. >> the scientific community is telling us if we do not transform our energy system away from fossil fuel, the planet we're going to be leaving our kids and grandchildren may well not be habitable. >> senator webb? >> our relation with china. our greatest day to day threat is cyber warfare against this country. our greatest military operational threat is resolving these situations in the middle east. >> do these candidates see eye to eye on an issue driving a big wedge between republicans. that is next. we'll be right back.
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welcome back. we are live in nevada in las vegas at the wynn resort for the first democratic presidential debate. the questions continue. we begin with secretary clinton. secretary clinton, you are going to be testifying before congress next week about your e-mails. for the last eight months, you haven't been able to put this behind you. dismissed it, what does that say about your ability to handle more challenging crises? >> i've taken responsibility for it, i did say it was a mistake. what i did was allowed by the state department but it wasn't the best choice. i have been as transparent as i know to be, turning over 55,000 pages of my e-mails, asking that they be made public. and you're right, i am going to be testifying. i've been asking to testify for some time. and to do it in public. which was not originally agreed to. but let's just take a minute
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here and point out that this committee is basically an arm of the republican national committee. it is a partisan vehicle as admitted by the house republican majority leader, mr. mccarthy to drive down my poll numbers. big surprise. that's what they have attempted to do. i am still standing. i am happy to be part of this debate. and i intend to keep talking about the issues that matter to the american people. you know, i believe strongly that we need to be talking about what people talk to me about. like how are we going to make college affordable, pay do you know student debt, get health care for everybody. >> secretary clinton, with all due respect, it's a little hard, isn't it hard to call this just a partisan issue. there's an fbi investigation and president obama himself two days ago said this is a legitimate issue. >> well, i never said it wasn't legitimate. i said that i have answered all the questions and i will be
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doing so again before this committee. but i think it would be really unfair not to look at the entire picture. this committee has spent $4.5 million of taxpayer money and they said that they were trying to figure out what we could do better to protect our diplomats so that something like benghazi wouldn't happen again. there were already seven committee reports about what to do. so i think it's pretty clear what their obvious goal is. >> thank you. >> i'll be there. i'll answer their questions. but tonight i want to talk not about my e-mails but about what the american people want for the next president of the united states. >> let me say something. i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too. me too. [ applause ]
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>> the middle class, anderson, let me say something about the media as well. i go around the country, talk to a whole lot of people. middle class in this country is collapsing. we have 27 million people living in poverty. we have massive wealth and inequality. our trade policies have cost us millions of decent jobs. the american people want to know whether we're going to have a democracy. enough of the e-mails. let's talk about the real issues facing america. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you, bernie. thank you. [ applause ] >> anderson -- [ applause ] >> it's obviously very popular in this crowd and it's -- hold on. i know that plays well in this room. governor chafee, on the campaign trail you said this was a huge issue.
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are you willing to say that to her face? >> absolutely, we have to repair american credibility after we told the world that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and he didn't. there's an issue of credibility out there. any time someone is running to be our leader, a world leader, which the american president is, credibility is an issue. we have repair work to be done. i think we need someone who has the best in ethical standards as our next president. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. [ cheers and applause ] >> it's popular in the room but a lot of people want to know these answers. >> you expressed concern, governor o'malley, do you still feel the way tonight? >> i believe now that we're
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finally having a debate, we don't have to concern ourselves with the e-mail scandal. instead we can talk about affordable college. making college debt-free. and all the issues. i see chair of the dnc here. look how glad we are to be talking about the issues that matter most to people around the kitchen table. we need wages to go up, college more affordable and make america 100% clean, electric by 2050. >> i want to talk about issues of race. i go to don lemon. >> this question is about something on the campaign trail. >> my question for the candidates is do black lives matter or do all lives matter? >> the question from arthur in des moines, do black lives matter or do all lives matter? let's put that question to senator sanders. >> black lives matter.
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and the reason those words matter is the african-american community knows that on any given day some innocent person like sandra blank can get into a car and then three days later she can end up dead in jail, or their kids are going to get shot. we need to combat institutional racism from top to bottom, and we need major, major reforms in a broken criminal justice system in which we have more people in jail than china. and i intend to tackle that issue to make sure that our people have education and jobs rather than jail cells. >> governor o'malley, the question from arthur was do black lives matter or do all lives matter? >> anderson, the point that the black lives matter movement is making is a very, very
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legitimate and serious point and that is that as a nation we have undervalued the lives of black lives, people of color. when i ran for mayor of baltimore, we had -- we were burying over 350 young men every year, mostly young and poor and black. i said to our legislature that if we were burying white young poor men in these numbers, we would be marching in the streets and there would be a different reaction. black lives matter and we have a lot of work to do to reform our criminal justice system and reform race relations. >> secretary clinton, what would you do for race relations that president obama hasn't? >> i think president obama has been a great moral leader on these issues and has laid out an agenda that the republicans have returned. what we need to be doing is not
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only reform criminal justice, i have talked about that at some length, including things like body cameras, but we also need to be following the recommendations of the commission that president obama empanelled on policing. there is an agenda there that we need to be following up on. similarly, we need to tackle mass incarceration. and this may be the only bipartisan issue in the congress this year. we actually have people on both sides of the aisle who have reached the same conclusion that we cannot keep imprisoning more people than anybody else in the world. but i believe that the debate and discussion has to go further, anderson, because we've got to do more about the lives of these children. that's why i started off by saying we need to be committed to making it possible for every child to live up to his or her god given potential. that is really hard to do if you don't have early childhood education, if you don't have schools that are able to meet the needs of the people or good housing.
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there's a long list. we need a new new deal for communities of color. >> senator webb? >> i hope i get that kind of time here. as a president of the united states, every life in this country matters. at the same time i believe i can say to you i have had a long history of working with the situation with african-americans. we're talking about criminal justice reform. i risked my political life raising the issue of criminal justice reform. when i ran for the senate in virginia in '06, i had democratic consultants telling me i was committing political suicide. we led that issue in the congress. we started a national debate on it. it wasn't until then the republicans started joining in. i represented an african-american marine who was convicted for six years, three years into this he took his life.
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i cleared his name and i put the african-american soldier on the mall and made that recommendation and fought for it. so if you want someone who can stand up in front of you right now and say i have done the hard job, i have taken the risks, i am your person. >> senator sanders, let's talk about income inequality. wages and income are flat. you argued the gap between rich and poor is wider than any time since the 1920s. we've had a democratic president for seven years. what are you going to do that president obama couldn't? >> first of all, let's remember where we were when bush left office, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. i know my republican friends seem to have amnesia on this issue. the world financial system was on the verge of collapse. that's where we were. are we better off today than we were then? absolutely. but the truth is for the last 40 years the great middle class of this country has been disappearing. and in my view what we need to do is create millions of jobs by
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rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, pay equity for women workers and our disastrous trade policies, which have cost us millions of jobs and make every public college and university in this country tuition free. [ applause ] >> i need to jump in. >> i'll let you jump in in a moment. everybody will get in on this in a moment. secretary clinton, how would you address this issue? if all candor you and your husband are part of 1%. how can you credibly represent the views of the middle class? >> both bill and i have been very blessed. neither of us came from wealthy families and we've worked really hard our entire lives and i want to make sure every single person in this country has the same opportunities that he and i have had, to make the most of their god-given potential and to have the chances that they should have in america for a good education, good job training and then good jobs.
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i have a five-point economic plan because this inequality challenge we face, we have faced it at other points. it's absolutely right. it hasn't been this bad since the 1920s. but if you look at the republicans versus the democrats when it comes to economic policy, there is no comparison. >> thank you. >> the economy does better when you have a democrat in the white house and that's why we need to have a democrat in the white house in january 2017. >> governor o'malley. >> anderson, i want to associate myself with many of the items that the senator from vermont mentioned and i did them in our state. we raised the minimum wage. passed a living wage, went four years without a penny for college tuition. but there's another piece that the senator left out tonight and that is that we need to separate the casino speculative megabank
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gambling, we have to ensure our money from the commercial bank, reinstating glass-steagall. secretary clinton mentioned my support eight years ago. i was proud to support you eight years ago. but something happened in between. that is a wall street crash that wiped out millions of jobs and savings for families and we are still just as vulnerable paul volcker says today. we need to reinstate glass-steagall. that's a huge difference on this stage among us as candidates. >> for viewers at home, glass-steagall is the depressionry banking laws repealed in 1999, prevented commercial banks from engaging in investment banking. senator sanders wants to break up the big banks. you don't. you say continue to monitor them. why is your plan better? >> well, my plan is more comprehensive and frankly it's tougher. of course we have to deal with the problem that the banks are still too big to fail. we can never let the
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middle-class failures bail out the speculative behavior that we saw. but we have to worry about aig, a big insurance company, lehman brothers, an investment bank. there's this whole area of shadow banking. that's where the experts tell me the next potential problem could come from. i'm with senator sanders and governor o'malley. in putting a lot of attention onto the banks. the plan that i put forward would empower regulators to break up big banks if we thought they posed a risk. but i want to make sure we're going to cover everybody, not what caused a problem last time but what could cause it next time. >> secretary clinton just said her policy is tougher than yours. >> well, that's not true. >> why? >> let us be clear that the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street where fraud is a business model helped to destroy this economy and the lives of millions of people.
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check the record. in the 1990s, and all due respect, in the 1990s when i had the republican leadership and wall street spending billions of dollars in lobbying, when the clinton administration, when alan greenspan said what a great idea it would be to allow these huge banks to merge, bernie sanders fought them and helped lead the opposition to deregulation. today it is my view that when you have the three largest banks in america are much bigger than they were when we bailed them out for being too big to fail, we have got to break them up! >> secretary clinton, you have to respond. he brought you up. >> you know, i respect the pass -- passion and intensity. i went to wall street in december of 2007 before the big crash that we had and i basically said cut it out. quit foreclosing on homes, quit engaging in these kinds of speculative behaviors.
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i took on the bush administration for the same thing. so i have thought deeply and long about what we're going to do to do exactly what i think both the senator and governor want, which is to rein in and stop this risk. my plan would have the potential of actually sending the executives to jail. nobody went to jail after $100 billion in fines were paid. and would give regulators the authority to go after the big banks. i will say it tonight, if only you look at the big banks, you may be missing the forest for the trees. we've got to look at all the other financial institutions. >> give me a second. in my view, secretary clinton, you do not -- congress does not regulate wall street. wall street regulates congress and we have got to break off these banks, going to them and
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saying please do the right thing is kind of naive. >> i think dodd frank was a very good start. i think we have to implement it, we have to prevent the republicans from ripping it apart, we have to save the consumer financial protection board, which is finally beginning to act to protect consumers. we have work to do, you'll get no argument from me. but i know if we don't come in with a very tough and comprehensive approach like the plan i'm recommending, we're going to be behind instead of ahead in the next crisis to be. >> governor o'malley? >> the big banks, once we repealed glass-steagall, the banks were controlling 15% of our gdp, they're now 65% of our gdp. right before this debate secretary clinton's campaign put out a lot of reversals on positions of keystone and many things but one of them we still have a great difference, secretary, is you are not for glass-steagall, you are not for putting a fire wall behind the speculative, risky shadow bank behavior.
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i am. the people of our country need a president on their side ready to protect the economy from the recklessness on wall street. we have to fulfill our promise. >> senator clinton, i have to let you respond. >> well, you know, everybody on this stage has changed a position or two. we've been around a cumulative quite some period of time. you know, we know that if you are learning, you're going to change your position. i never took a position on keystone until i took a position on keystone but i have been on the forefront of dealing with climate change starting in 2009 when president obama and i crashed a meeting with the chinese and got them to sign up to the first international agreement to combat climate change that they'd ever joined. so i'm not taking a back seat to anybody on my values, my principles and the results that i get. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, in 2008 congressional leaders were told
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without the 2008 bailout the u.s. was possibly days away for -- from a complete meltdown. despite that, you voted against it. as president would you stand by your principal? >> i remember that very well. i remember it like it was yesterday. hank paulson, bernanke came in and say, guys, the economy is going to collapse because wall street is going under and is going to take the economy with them. you know what i said to hank paulson? i said, hank, your guys, your millionaire and billionaire friends caused this problem, how about your millionaire and billionaire fans paying for the bailout, not working families in this country. so, no, i would not have let the economy collapse. but it was wrong to ask the middle class to bail out wall street. by the way, i want wall street now to help kids in this country go to college free with a wall street speculation tax. >> we'll talk about that in a minute.
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you have said neither party has the guts to take on wall street. is the system rigged? >> there is a reality that i think we all need to recognize with respect to the power of the financial sector. let me go back a minute and say that on this tarp program, i introduced a piece of legislation calling for a windfall profits tax on the executives of any of these companies that got more than $5 million, that it was time for them once they got their compensation and their bonus to split the rest of the money they made with the nurses and the truck drivers and the soldiers who bailed them out. with respect to the financial sector, i know my time has run out but in speaking of changing positions and the position on how this debate has occurred is kind of frustrating because unless somebody mentions my name i can't get into the discussion. >> you agreed to the rules and you're wasting time. if you would, finish your answer. >> i'm trying to set a mark here so maybe we can get into a
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little more later on. this hasn't been equal time. but if you want to look at what's happened, if you look at the facts in terms of how we're going to deal with this, since that crash, in the last ten years the amount of the world's capital economy that wall street manages has gone from 44% to 55%. that means the wall street money managers are not risking themselves the same way the american people are when they're going to get their compensation. they're managing money from all over the world. we have to take that into consideration when we regulate it. >> senator chafee, you voted for the very bill in 1999 that made banks bigger. >> i had just arrived in office. my dad -- >> are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for? >> i just arrived the senate. it was my very first vote and it was -- >> with all due respect, what
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does that say about you that you're casting a vote that you weren't really sure about? >> i think you're being rough, i had just arrived, my dad had just died, i just arrived at the city and it was 90-5. let me talk about income inequality. we've had a lot of talk about it but no one is saying how we're going to fix it. and it all started with the bush tax cuts that favored the wealthy. 0.6% of americans are at the top echelon. that's less than 1% but they generate 30% of the revenue. and they're doing fine. so there's still a lot more money to be had from this top echelon. i'm saying let's have another tier and put that back into the tax bracket and that will generate $42 billion. then we can help the middle class and hard-working americans. >> cnn visited college campuses along with facebook and not surprisingly college affordability was the most
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pressing issue. senator sanders, you mentioned you have plan to make college free for everyone. secretary clinton criticized that saying she's not in favor of making a college free for donald trump's kids. do you think taxpayers should pick up the tab for wealthy children? >> donald trump and his billionaire friends under my policies are going to pay a hell of a lot more in taxes today -- taxes in the future than they're paying today. but in terms of education, this is what i think. this is the year 2015. a college degree today, dana, is the equivalent of what a high school degree was 50 years ago. and what we said 50 years ago and a hundred years ago is that every kid in this country should be able to get a high school education regardless of the income of their family. i think we have to say that is true for everybody going to college. i think we don't need a
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complicated system which the secretary is talking about the income goes down, income goes down, if you're poor you have to work, so forth and so on. i pay for my program through a tax on wall street speculation, which will not only make public colleges and universities tuition free, it will substantially lower interest rates on college debt, a major crisis in this country. >> secretary clinton, it's not just college tuition that senator sanders is talking about expanding social security and giving all americans medicare. what's wrong with that? >> well, let me address college affordability because i have a plan that i think will really zero in on what the problems are. first, all the 40 million americans who currently have student debt will be able to refinance their debt to a low interest rate. that will save thousands of dollars for people who are now struggling under this cumbersome, burdensome college debt.
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as a young student in nevada said to me the hardest thing about going to college should not be paying for it. then we have to make it more affordable. how do we make it more affordable? my plan would enable anyone to go to a public college or university tuition free. you would not have to borrow money for tuition. but i do believe, and maybe it's because i worked when i went through college, i worked when i went through law school, i think it's important for everybody to have some part of getting this accomplished. that's why i call it a compact. i would like students to work ten hours a week in order to make it possible for them to afford their education and i want colleges to get their costs down. they're outrageously high in what they're charging. >> the question was not just about tuition, though. it was about senator sanders' plan to expand social security, to make medicare available to all americans. is that something that you would support? and if not, why not? >> well, i fully support social security and the most important
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fight we're going to have is defending it against continuing republican efforts to privatize it. >> do you want to expand it? >> i want to enhance the benefits for the poorest recipients of social security. we have a lot of women on social security, particularly widowed and single women who didn't make a lot of money during their careers and they are impoverished and they need more help from the social security system. and i will focus -- i will focus on helping those people who need the most. of course i'm going to defend social security, make for ways to make sure it's solvent in the future. we also need to talk about health care. we agree on the goals but disagree on the means. >> some republicans and democrats were talking about cutting social security and benefits for disabled veterans. i founded a caucus called the
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defending social security caucus. my view is that when you have millions of seniors in this country trying to get by, and i don't know how they do on $11,000, $12,000, $13,000 a year, you don't cut social security, you expand it. and the way you expand it is by lifting the caps on taxable incomes so you do away with the absurdity of a millionaire paying the same amount into the system as somebody making 118,000. you do that until social security is solvent until -- >> i want to bring it over to carlos lopez. we're obviously in nevada. the highest number of undocumented immigrants. carlos? >> gracias, anderson. in 2013 you voted for reform. but in 2007 when the bush white house was on board, you voted against it. why should latino voters trust you now when you left them at
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the alter at the moment when reform was very close? >> i didn't leave anybody at the altar. i voted against that piece of legislation because it had guesswork or provisions in it which the southern poverty law center talked about being semi-slavery. guest workers are are coming in, working under terrible conditions but if they stand up for their rights, they're thrown out of the country. i was not the only progressive to vote against that legislation for that reason. tom harkin, a good friend of secretary clinton's and mine. one of the leading labor advocates also voted against that. >> tom harkin isn't running for president. you are. >> i know that. my view right now, when you have 11 million undocumented people in this country, we need comprehensive immigration
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reform. whoa need a path toward citizenship. we need to take people out of the shadows. >> secretary clinton, governor o'malley wants to open up obama care to millions of undocumented immigrants and their children, including almost 90,000 people right here in nevada. do you? >> first of all, i want to make sure every child gets health care, that's why i helped to create the children's health insurance program and i want to support states that are expanding health care and including undocumented children and others. i want to open up the opportunity for immigrants to be able to buy in to the exchanges under the affordable care act. i think to go beyond that, as i understand what governor o'malley has recommended so that they would get the same subsidies, i think that raises so many issues, it would be very difficult to administer. it needs to be part of comprehensive immigration reform when we get to it. >> i think what you've heard up here is some of the old thinking about immigration reform and the gridlock.
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we need to understand that our country is made stronger by the approval of new american immigrants. i have put out a policy for comprehensive immigration reform. that is why i would go further than president obama has on daca and dapa. we are a nation of immigrants. we are made stronger by immigrants. do you think for a second that simply because somebody standing in a broken queue on naturalization they aren't going to go to the hospital and that isn't going to fall on our insurance rates? i'm for a generous, compassionate america, we need comprehensive immigration reform. it will make wages go up in america. >> do you support the undocumented immigrants getting obamacare? >> i wouldn't have a problem with that. let me start by saying my wife is an immigrant. she was a refugee. her family escaped from vietnam on a boat, her entire family, after the communists took over when hundreds of thousands of them were out there and
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thousands were dying. she went to two refugee camps, she never spoke english but she ended up going to cornell and going to law school. that's not only the american dream, that's the value we have with a good immigration system in place. no country is a country without defining its borders. i introduced an amendment in the '07 immigration bill giving a pathway to citizenship to those people who had come here and put down their roots and met a series of standards. we lost but i introduced that in '07. we need a comprehensive reform and we need to be able to define our borders. >> secretary clinton? >> i want to follow up because i think underneath juan carlos' important questions, there is such a difference between everything you're hearing here on this stage and what we hear from the republicans who have demonized hard-working immigrants, who have insulted them.
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may, met with a group of dreamers. i wish everyone in america could meet with these young people to hear their stories, know their incredible talent and determination. that's why i would go further than even the executive orders that president obama has signed when i'm president. >> two of your rivals, governor o'malley and senator sanders want to provide in-state college tuition to undocumented immigrants. where do you stand on that? >> i would encourage states to do the same thing. >> you believe undocumented immigrants should get in-state college tuition? >> if their states agree, then we want more states to do the same. >> and we actually did this in my state of maryland. [ applause ] and a lot of the xenophobes, like some that we've heard, like donald trump, that carnival barker in the republican party
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tried to mischaracterize it as free tuition for illegal immigrants. but we took our case to the people when it was petitioned to referendum and we won with 58% of the vote. the more our children learn, the more they will earn and that's true of children who have yet to be naturalized but will become children. >> you served as two years of the chairman while veterans died while awaiting health care. you and senator mccain ultimately addressed the issue. why did it take 18 inspector general reports and a cnn investigation and others before you and your colleagues took action? >> well, i was chairman for two years. and when i was chairman, we did take action. what we did is pass a $15 billion piece of legislation, which brought in many, many new doctors and nurses into the v.a. so that veterans in this country could get the health care when they needed it and not be on long waiting lines.
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and the other part of that legislation said that if a veteran is living more than 40 miles away from a v.a. facility, that veteran could get health care from a community health center or the private sector. as a result of that legislation, we went further than any time in recent history in improving health care to the men and women of this country who put their lives on the line to defend us. >> governor chafee, you and hillary clinton both voted for the patriot act which created the nsa surveillance program, you emphasized civil liberties and privacy. are those two in opposition? >> no, that was another 99-1 vote. we did what we needed to tap phones as long as you had a warrant. as long as you're getting a warrant, you should be able to get surveillance. but you need a warrant.
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in the patriot act, sense 215 started to get broadened too far. i would be in favor of addressing and reforming section 215 of the patriot act. >> secretary clinton do you regret your vote on the patriot act? >> no, i don't. i think that it was necessary to make sure that we were able after 9/11 to put in place the security that we needed, and it is true that it did require that there be a process. what happened, however, is that the bush administration began to chip away at that process and i began to speak out about their use of warrantless surveillance and the other behavior that they engaged in. we always have to keep the balance of civil liberties, privacy and security. it's not easy in a democracy but we have to keep it in mind. >> senator sanders, you're the only one on this stage who voted against the patriot act. and the reauthorization. if elected, would you shut down the nsa surveillance program?
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>> absolutely, of course. well, i would shut down what exists right now is that virtually every telephone call in this country ends up in a file at the nsa. that is unacceptable to me. but it's not just government surveillance. i think the government is involved in our e-mails, is involved in our web sites, corporate america is doing it as well. if we are a free country, we have the right to be free. yes, we have to defend ourselves against terrorism, but there are ways to do that without impinging on our constitutional rights and our privacy rights. >> governor chafee, edward snowden, is he a traitor or hero? >> no, i would bring him home. the courts have ruled that what he did was -- >> no jail time? >> the american government was acting illegal. that's what the federal courts have said. snowden showed the federal government was acting illegally. >> senator clinton.
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hero or traitor? >> he broke the laws of the united states. he could have been a whistleblower, raised all the issues that he has raised and i think there would have been a positive response to that. >> should he do jail time? >> in addition, he stole very important information that has unfortunately fallen into a lot of the wrong hands. so i don't think he should be brought home without facing the music. >> governor o'malley, snowden. >> snowden put a lot of lives at risk and broke the law. whistle blowers do not run to russia and try to get protection from putin. if he really believes that, he should be back here. >> i think snowden played an important role in educating the american people in the degree to which our constitutional rights
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are being undermined. >> is he a hero? >> i think what he did in educating us should be taken into consideration. >> senator webb? >> i would leave his ultimate judgment to the legal system. i believe we have a serious problem in terms of the personal collection of private information in this country. i introduced two amendments saying we understand the realities of how you have to collect this broad information in the internet age but after a person period of time you need to destroy the personal information that you have if criminal justice proceedings have not been brought against them. we have a vast data bank of information that is ripe for people with bad intentions to be able to use and they need to be destroyed. >> another question for each of you. governor chafee, name the one
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way your administration would not be a third term of president obama. >> certainly ending the wars. we've got to stop these wars. we have to have a new dynamic, a new paradigm. we just spent half a billion dollars arming and training the rebel soldiers in syria, they quickly joined the other side. >> president obama is requesting -- >> i'd like to finish my answer. also, we just bombed a hospital. we've had drone strikes that have hit weddings. we need a new paradigm in the middle east. >> governor o'malley, how would you be different from president obama's administration. >> i would follow through on the promise to protect the main street economy from recklessness on wall street, separate out the too big to jail and too big to fail banks, put in place a
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modern glass-steagall that creates a fire wall so this wreckage of economy can never happen again. >> secretary clinton, how would you not be a third term of president obama? >> well, i think that's pretty obvious. i think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had up until this point, including president obama. >> is there a policy difference? >> well, there's a lot that i would like to do to build on the successes of president obama, but also as i'm laying out, to go beyond. and that's in my economic plans, how i would deal with the prescription drug companies, how i would deal with college, how i would deal with a full range of issues that i've been talking about throughout this campaign to go further. >> senator sanders. >> i have a lot of respect for president obama. i have worked with him time and time again on many, many issues, but here's where i do disagree. i believe that the power of corporate america, the power of wall street, the power of the drug companies, the power of the
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corporate media is so great that the only way we really transform america and do the things that the middle class and working class desperately need is through a political revolution when millions of people begin to come together and stand up and say our government is going to work for all of us, not just a handful of billionaires. >> senator webb, how would you not be a third term for obama? [ applause ] >> i got a great deal of admiration and affection for senator sanders, but, bernie, i don't think the revolution is going to come and i don't think the congress is going to pay for a lot of this stuff. if there would be a major difference between my administration and the obama administration, it would be in the use of executive authority. i came up as a committee council into congress, used to put dozens of bills through the house floor every year as a committee counsel on the veteran's committee.
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i have a very strong feeling about how our system about how our system works and how we need to lead and energize the congressional process instead of allowing these divisions to continue to paralyze what we're doing. i would work with both parties in the congress and work through them. >> senator sanders, he cited you. you don't hear a lot of democratic candidates talking about revolution. what do you mean? >> what i mean is that we need to have one of the larger voter turnouts in the world, not one of the lowest. we need to raise public consciousness. we need the american people to know what's going on in washington in a way that today they do not know. and when people come together in a way that does not exist now and are prepared to take on the big money interest, then we could bring the kind of change we need. >> anderson, i have talked about a revolution. what we need is a green energy revolution. we need to move america to a 100% clean electric grid by 2050 and create 5 million jobs along the way. >> we'll talk more about environmental change and climate issues coming up. tried marijuana, as have ve
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the outsider in politics. why should democrats embrace an insider like yourself? >> i can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president, but i'm not just running because i would be the first woman president. i'm running because i have a lifetime of experience in getting results and fighting for people, fighting for kids, for women, for families, fighting to even the odds and i know what it takes to get things done. i know how to find common ground and i know how to stand my ground and i think we're going to need both of those in washington to get anything that we're talking about up here accomplished. so i'm very happy that i have both the commitment of a lifetime and the experience of a lifetime to bring together to offer the american people. >> governor o'malley, do you want to tell secretary clinton why she shouldn't get the crown? >> actually, we had this conversation and i will share with you that i've traveled all around the country, anderson and there's two phrases i keep
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hearing again and again and again. they're the phrases "new leadership" and "getting things done." we cannot be this dissatisfied with our gridlock national politics and an economy where 70% of us are earning the same or less than we were 12 years ago and think that a resort to old names is going to move us forward. i respect what secretary clinton and her husband have done for our country but i think we need new leadership to move forward. >> i would not ask anyone to vote for me because of my last name. i would ask them to look at what i've accomplished in the senate and as secretary of state of state. and then draw your own conclusion. i am not campaigning because my last name is clinton. i'm campaigning because i think i have the right combination of what this country needs and i could take the fight to the republicans because we cannot afford for a republican to
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succeed president obama as president of the united states. >> i think there is profound frustration all across this country with establishment politics. i am the only candidate that is not a billionaire who has raised substantial amounts of money and i do not have a super pac. i did not raise money from millionaires and billionaires. tonight, there are 4,000 house parties, 100,000 people in this country watching this debate tonight who want real change in this country. >> a lot of questions, we have about climate change. i want to go to don lemon. >> governor o'malley, this is from anna from tempe arizona. >> as a young person i'm very concerned about climate change and how it will fact my future. as presidential candidate what will you do to address climate
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change? >> please tell anna how you would protect the environment better than the other candidates on the stage. >> anna, i have put together a plan to move us forward to a 100% clean electric grid by 2050. our nation must solve this one. i put forward the plan that would extend the investor tax credits for solar and for wind. you go across iowa, you see 30% of their energy now comes from wind. we're here in las vegas, one of the most sustainable cities in america doing important things in terms of green building architecture and design. we can get there as a nation but it's going to require presidential leadership. as president, i intend to sign my very first order in office, moving up to 100% clean electric
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grid by 2050. we can do it. >> senator webb, you're pro coal, pro offshore drilling, pro keystone pipeline. are you out of step with the democratic party? >> the question really is how are we going to solve energy problems here and in the global environment if you really want to address climate change? when i was in the senate, i was an all of the above energy voter. we introduced legislation to bring in alternate energy as well as nuclear power. i'm a strong proponent of nuclear power. it is safe, it is clean. and really, we are not going to solve climate change simply with the laws here. we've done a good job in this country since 1970. if you look at china and india, they're the greatest polluters in the world. 15 out of the 20 most polluted cities in the world are in one of those two countries. we need to solve this in a
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global way. it's a global problem and i have been very strong on doing that. the agreements, the so-called agreements we have had with china are illusory in terms of the immediate requirements of the chinese government itself. let's solve this problem in an international way and then we really will have a way to address climate change. >> senator sanders, are you tougher on climate change than secretary clinton? >> i will tell you this, and pope francis made this point, we -- this is a moral issue. the signtists are telling us that we need to move extremely boldly. along with senator boxer, we introduced the first piece of climate legislation which called for a tax on carbon. nothing is going to happen unless we are prepared to deal with campaign finance reform because the fossil fuel industry is funding the republican party, which denies the reality of
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climate change and certainly is not prepared to go forward aggressively. this is a moral issue. we have got to be extremely aggressive working with china, ind india, russia, t future of the planet is at stake. >> senator clinton, i want you to respond. >> that's exactly what i've been doing. when we met in copenhagen in 2009 and literally president obama and i were hunting for the chinese, going throughout this huge convention center because we knew we had to get them to agree to something because there will be no effective efforts against climate change unless china and india join with the rest of the world. they told us they'd left for the airport. we found out they were having a secret meeting. we marched up, we broke in and said we've been looking all over for you, let's sit down and come up with what we need to do and we did come up with the first
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international agreement china has signed. thanks to president obama's leadership, it has gone much further. the first bilateral agreement president obama made with the chinese was significant. it needs to go further. there will be an international meeting at the end of this year. we must get verifiable commitments to fight climate change from every country there. >> dana bash. >> secretary clinton, you now support mandated paid family leave. carly fiorina, the first female ceo of a fortune 50 company says it will force small businesses to quote, high fewer people and create fewer jobs. what do you say to carly fiorina and a small business owner who says i like this idea, but i just can't afford that. >> i'm surprised he said that. california's had a paid program -- >> on the federal level. >> she's from a state that is as big as many countries in the world.
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it has not had the ill effects that the republicans are always saying it will have. this is typical republican scare tactics. we can design a system and pay for it that does not put the burden on small businesses. i remember as a mother i had a baby wake up who was sick and i was supposed to be in court. i was practicing law. i know what it's like. i think we need to recognize the incredible challenges that so many parents face, particularly working moms. i see my good friend in the front row, she's been a champion of this. we need a consensus of this through the campaign, which is why i'm talking about it everywhere i go and join the rest of the advanced world in having it. >> secretary clinton, even many who agree with you might say this is very hard to do, especially in today's day and age. there are so many people who say, really, another government program? is that what you're suggesting and at the expense of taxpayer money?
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>> when people say that, it always the republicans or sympathizers who say you can't have paid leave, you can't provide health care. they don't mind having big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose and take down planned parenthood. they're fine with big government when it comes to that. i'm sick of that. we can do these things. we should not be paralyzed by the republicans and their constant refrain big government this and that except for what they want to impose on the american people. i know we can afford it because we're going to make the wealthy pay for it. that is the way to get it done. >> senator sanders. >> dana, here's the point, every other major country on earth, even the smaller ones, say when a mother has a baby, the mother should stay home for the baby.
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we are the only major country that is an embarrassment that we do not provide paid medical leave. second of all, the secretary is right. republicans tell us we can't do anything except give tax breaks to billionaires and cut social security, medicare and medicaid. that's not what the american people want. >> governor o'malley. >> anderson, in our state we actually expanded family leave and i have to agree with secretary clinton and senator sanders. the genius of our nation is that we find ways in every generation to include more of our people more fully in the economic life of our country and we need to do that for our families and especially so that women aren't penalized in having to drop out of the workforce. my wife katie is here with our four kids and, man, that was a juggle when we had little kids and keeping jobs and moving forward. we would be a stronger nation economically if we had paid family leave. >> the issue now in this state is recreational marijuana.
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i want to go to juan carlos lopez. >> senator sanders, here in nevada there will be a measure to legalize marijuana on the 2016 ballot. you said you smoked marijuana twice, it didn't quite work for you. if you were a nevada resident, how would you vote? >> i suspect i would vote yes. and i would vote yes because i am seeing in this country too many lives being destroyed for non-violent offenses. we have a criminal justice system that lets ceos on wall street walk away and yet we are imprisoning or giving jail sentences to young people who are smoking marijuana. i think we have to think through this war on drugs, which has done an enormous amount of damage. we need to rethink our criminal justice system and we've got a lot of work to do in that area. >> secretary clinton, you told christiane amanpour you didn't
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smoke pot when you were young and you're not going to now. you told her let's wait and see how it pla out in colorado and washington. are you ready to take a position tonight? >> no. i think we have the opportunity through the states that are pursuing recreational marijuana to find out a lot more than we know today. i do support the use of medical marijuana, and i think even there we need to do a lot more research so that we know exactly how we're going to help people, for whom medical marijuana provides relief. so i think we're just at the beginning but i agree completely with the idea that we have got to stop imprisoning people who use marijuana. therefore, we need more state, cities and the federal government to begin to address this so that we don't have this terrible result that senator
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sanders was talking about where we have a huge population in our prisons for non-violent, low-level offenses that are primarily due to marijuana. >> president obama has had a difficult time getting republicans to compromise on just about every agenda. how will you approach this going forward and will it be any different? senator. >> the republican party since i've been in the senate and since president obama has been in office has played a terrible, terrible role of being total obstructionist. every effort that he has made that some of us have made, they have said no, no, no. now, in my view the only way we can take on the right wing republicans, who by the way i hope will not continue to control the senate and the house when one of us is elected
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president, but the only way we can get things done is by having millions of people coming together. if we want free tuition at public colleges and universities, millions of young people are going to have to demand it and give the republicans an offer they can't refuse. if we want to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, workers are going to have to come together and look the republicans in the eye and say we know what's going on, if you vote against us, you are out of a job. >> we're going to hear from all the candidates coming up. we're going to take a short break. more from the candidates in a moment. when you're not confident your company's data is secure,
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[ laughter ] >> i guess the coal lobby. i've worked hard for climate change and i want to work with the coal lobby. in my time in the senate, i tried to bring them to the table. i'm proud to be a dodge for the coal lobby. >> governor o'malley? >> the national rifle association. >> secretary clinton? >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. [ cheers and applause ] >> senator sanders? >> as someone who has taken on probably every special interest that there is in washington, i would lump wall street and the pharmaceutical industry at the top of my list of people who do not like me. >> senator webb?
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>> i would have to say the enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me but he's not around right now to talk to. >> all right. time for closing statements. each of you will have 90 seconds. governor chafee, let's begin with you. >> thank you anderson, cnn and facebook for sponsoring this debate. america has many challenges, ending the perpetual wars, addressing climate change, income inequality, funding education, funding infrastructure, funding health care, helping black americans, helping native americans, we have many challenges. who is best able to confront these challenges? i've served in government at many levels. i know what it's like to solve problems at the local level because i did it as mayor. i know who to get legislation passed through congress because i did it as a senator and i did it as governor of rhode island. what i'm most proud of, in 30
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years of public service, i have had no scandals. i have high ethical standards. what i'm most proud of is my judgment. particularly in the iraq war vote. there was a lot of pressure in the iraq vote. i did my homework. i did not believe that the evidence was there that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and we live now with the consequences. so that kind of judgment is what we want in a president going forward, and i'm running for president to end the wars. i want to be the peacemaker. i am a proven peacemaker. please go to chafee 2016 to learn more about me. thank you. >> governor chafee, thank you very much. senator webb, your final statement for 90 seconds. >> thank you. ladies and gentlemen, it's been a pleasure to be with you tonight. you've heard a lot of promises up here, a lot of rhetoric. they all seem to happen from campaigns and once they're over people start from scratch again and try to get things done. if you look at my record in and
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out of government, i've always been willing to take on a complicated, sometimes unpopular issues and work them through to find a solution. we did it in criminal justice reform. we did it in other ways. we needed a national political strategy for our economy, our social policy and social justice and, by the way, for how you run and manage the most complex bureaucracy in the world, which is the federal government. i know how to lead. i did it in vietnam. i did it in the pentagon. i did it in the senate. if you will help me overcome this cavalcade of financial irregularities and monies that is poisoning our political process, i am ready to do that for you in the white house.
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>> senator webb, thank you very much. governor o'malley, 90 seconds. >> anderson, thank you. i am very, very grateful to have been able to be on this stage with this distinguished group of candidates tonight. and what you heard tonight, anderson, was a very -- and all of you watching at home, was a very, very different debate from the sort of debate that you heard from the two presidential republican debates. [ applause ] on this stage you didn't hear anyone denigrate women, you didn't hear anyone make racist comments about new american immigrants, you didn't hear anyone speak ill of anyone -- another american because of their religious belief. what you heard was an honest debate of what will move us forward, to lead to a clean electric grid by 2050, and take the actions that we have always taken as americans so that we can actually attack
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injustice in our country, employ more of our people, educate our children at higher and better levels. and include more of our people in the economic and social life in our country. i truly believe we are standing on the threshold on a new era of american progress. unless you become discouraged about our gridlock in congress, talk to our young people under 30. you'll never find among them people that want to bash immigrants or people that want to deny rights to gay couples. that tells me we are moving to a more connected, generous and compassionate place and we need to speak to the goodness within our country. [ cheers and applause ] >> governor o'malley, thank you very much. >> governor o'malley, thank you very much. senator sanders, final closing thoughts, 90 seconds. >> this is a great country, but we have many, many serious problems. we should not be the country that has the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major company and more wealth and income inequality than any other
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country. we should not be the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care of our people as a right of citizenship and should not be the only major country that does not provide medical and family and parental leave to all of our families. at the end of our day here is a truth that very few candidates will say is that nobody up here, certainly no republican, can address the major crises facing our country unless millions of people begin to stand up to the billionaire class that has so much power over our economy and our political life. jim webb is right. money is pouring in to this campaign through super pacs. we are doing it the old fashioned way, 650,000 individual contributions. and if people want to help us out, berniesanders.com. we are averaging 30 bucks apiece.
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we would appreciate your help. [ cheers and applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> thank you very much, anderson. and thanks to all the viewers who tuned in tonight. i think what you did see is that in this debate, we tried to deal with some of the very tough issues facing our country. that's in stark contrast to the republicans, who are currently running for president. what you have to ask yourself is who amongst us has the vision for actually making the changes that are going to improve the lives of the american people, who has the tenacity and the ability and the proven track record of getting that done. now, i revere my late mother and she gave me a lot of good advice, but one of the best
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pieces of advice she gave me was, you know, the issue is not whether or not you get knocked down, it's whether you get back up. america's been knocked down. that great recession 9 million people lost their jobs, 5 million lost their homes, $13 trillion in wealth disappeared. and although we've made progress, we're standing but not running the way america needs to. my mission as president will be to raise incomes for hard working middle-class families and make sure we get back to the basic bargains i was raised with. if you work hard and do your part, you should be able to get ahead and stay ahead. please join me in this campaign. please come and make it clear that america's best days are still ahead. thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] >> well that, does it for this
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>> one of our roles here has always been to take away excess money from people who don't know what to do with it, or who can't think of a better idea how to spend their money. in the old days of doing that, we just throw it on a table. put that into a context of throwing away a bottle of 7-up in a club, that's slightly more honest about it. >> you're talking crass commercialism? >> in the very best sense of the word, this is it. >> is this the cultural center of the country? >> i don't know. whatever that place is, they all leave and come here. ♪ i took a walk through this beautiful world ♪ ♪ felt the cool rain on my shoulder ♪ ♪ found something good in this beautiful world ♪
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♪ i felt the rain getting colder ♪ ♪ sha la la la ♪ sha la la la la ♪ sha la la la la la la >> i can go to the desert, but i am not going to get there by accident. but that's part of the whole experience of the desert. it ain't friendly, it ain't nice, it ain't good, you know.
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you're out here, you know, a half a mile, doesn't matter if you're a half a mile out or 20 miles out, there's no reason to walk a mile further. you're already in infinite desolation. sin city was true, it was real. part of moving out here, you were never going to see the family again. i'm moving to vegas and i ain't coming to see you and you ain't coming to see me. that's the character of the city. it really was the pit of america. it wasn't somebody came out here and make a million bucks, it was i'm going to come out here and survive and you all ain't going
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♪ >> it's the good stuff. it's jameis & black. >> on to each tavern, where those who have to live it, see it, the things that men do day after day, night after night, in a town where people are encouraged to do their worst. where they can drink the stain away. >> this is the side of vegas i like. >> yeah, because people here are like, really cynical. >> really? >> they have a dim world view, even more dim than me. >> that's hard. >> you know what this whole show is about? you know there's a theme. >> no. >> this is about people who live here. you know, when all the meatheads come and go, they're still here. these people have seen every variety of horrifying human
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behavior. the whole business model is come to vegas and behave really, really badly. >> i think it's encouraged people. they're expected to do that. kind of makes my skin crawl. >> really? >> not here, i'm comfortable here. >> is this an easy town to make a living? >> depends what you do. 25 years tending a bar here, you see some shit. >> she's third generation. >> are you an optimist or pessimist? >> i'd say roughly half of them. >> half are going? >> half are going. >> there are probably more knuckleheads in the vegas strip than anywhere in america. >> i'm not hanging with those people.
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there will be a few high end meals during our trip here. we will be sampling the other side. >> but there's a price. >> there's always a price with you. ♪ ♪ >> there are places in vegas where the available rooms are not listed on any website. places reserved for the whales, the high rollers, the 10 million a night gamblers who arrive by private plane.
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>> bobby flay probably lives like this all the time. >> it could go dark, couldn't it? it could get very dark here. i honestly never would have thought it would come to this. >> well, i was dunking fries 14 years ago. >> you've made some steps up. >> you make me feel better about all of this luxury looking back at all that? >> yeah, you deserve this. >> you're right. entering my golden years era. they don't show this in the viagra commercials. always running down the beach with a tennis racket, never sitting here. go out and kill some young people. [ laughter ] to victory, victory in our time. you always try to comfort yourself in situations like this, thinking, i'm sure people
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who are really wealthy, they're probably miserable. they don't know the ups and downs of happiness, the contrast, the passion that i have. we don't know, do we? like they think every day is wonderful. >> lovely. >> foie gras. >> thank you. >> delicious. >> perfect, perfect. ♪ ♪ >> the habian villa at caesars palace, the little pad they give you if your credit line runs into the eight figures. how did i get it? i told the casino that wolf blitzer was coming, that he was expected any minute. i suggested that wolf might be hungry. fortunately he doesn't watch a lot of television and i plan to live large until they figure out
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that wolf ain't coming. i'll deal with the fall-out later. but for now, we live. >> gentleman, this dish is caviar. everything is in layers. bottom of the layers, a caviar vinaigrette, with cream of caviar, then a puree of caviar, and we shall finish the dish with more caviar. >> ah, beautiful. look at that. >> it's rare that i say it's too beautiful to eat. >> i was just thinking that. speaking of fantastically luxurious -- >> this is a specialty, the artichoke soup with fresh black truffle and shavings of parmesan cheese. >> oh, man. that's truffle.
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>> a combination of pheasant, duck, deer, foie gras, cabbage, and white mushrooms. >> wow, look at this. that is beautiful. do you feel guilty eating this well? >> i do. >> i'm feeling guilty now, but it will pass. >> i'll follow you then. >> ever seen anything like this? >> i don't think i've ever seen anything like this anywhere. >> yeah, me either. >> and the thing is, you can see the main pool in front of my window. >> i was thinking about inviting them all up to our crib for a party. >> don't you dare do that. >> no. >> don't they deserve a good time? i don't know. maybe not. >> not gonna happen. >> we're heading back to guilt. do you feel enlightened and inspired by this? >> what are you asking? what are you getting at here? you're trying to get at
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something. >> trying to make sure that i'm down with the people. >> this guilt keeps coming back. you keep bringing up the guilt. >> you're right. i feel guilty. >> then don't use the showers. what are you doing here if you feel so guilty about it? >> i feel guilty about not feeling guilty about it. >> that's more to the point. now you're being honest with yourself. >> right. ♪ ♪
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>> so i come out here because it's the land of opportunity. that's really great. but if you're not here, why else are you here? good old wreck your life scenario, that's always
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popular, but if you change your mind about wrecking your life, now what do i do? there's a lot less self-reflection about why people are here than there is about most other places. what a lost opportunity that is. >> sinatra and the mob are gone, but there remains a sentimental attachment to the way things used to be. there were rules then, a way that things were done. and when they weren't done, there was always the desert and a hole in the ground. also, there were lounges and rug joints and places where a man could get a proper plate of italian american meatballs and spaghetti. thankfully, there still are such places. places like this, the bootlegger. it's a family operation. mama maria's family has been running it for 41 years. you got your veal parm, your fettucine alfredo, steaks and shrimps, the iceberg wedge with the blue cheese, which believe
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me, you want. >> good evening, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the bootlegger. >> thank you very much. this is charlie schafer my esteemed father. my name and lauren schafer and we're your entertainment for the evening. ♪ i've got the blues ♪ i feel so lonely ♪ i get the world ♪ if only to make him understand ♪ ♪ oh that surely would be grand ♪ >> the bootlegger has a reputation for being a locals joint, and it is. but there's a lot of out-of-towners too, sentimental fools like me, who if they don't miss frank sinatra, miss louie
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prima. >> when i was 19, i got my first show on the strip, and it was a small casino, which is not there anymore now, it's been imploded for something newer, bigger, and better. ♪ baby won't you please come home ♪ >> what i do, anyway, it's part jazz, part nostalgia. obviously i do it with a heavy dose of nostalgia, because i'm creating the whole look, not just singing the old songs, which is what makes it fun for me. ♪ ♪ when you left you broke my heart ♪ >> pick one, dean martin or frank sinatra, you get to see one of them live in a small room like this. >> frank sinatra. >> going with dino.
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>> i like deano as a person better because i've never heard anybody say anything bad about him. >> whereas sinatra you'd have a hard time hearing something good. there does seem to be a soundtrack to old vegas. >> a soundtrack. >> does that help? >> knowing me or the other entertainers? >> a section for the class. >> the expectation that while i'm here, i should hear some standards. >> i don't know if there's a certain place that people say we're sentimental about las vegas, because there are very few hotels now that were there in the old days. they've all been imploded. >> they recreated ancient rome on the amalfi coast. you'd think someone would want to recreate that. i'd go there. >> i'd work there. ♪ oh baby won't you please come on home ♪ ♪ baby won't you please come
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home ♪ >> thank you very much. ♪ ♪ >> you used to be able to go see louie prima, 3:00 a.m., have breakfast and go out and watch a bomb explode in the distance. >> that sounds like a good time. >> i would like to live here. >> was it better before, is it better now? different? >> it's better to talk about before.
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people loved having their mob stories and there's that weird romance of bad people. >> yeah. >> i don't think it actually was better. i think it was really good if you were sinatra. >> penn jillette, another cog in the entertainment machine, though at a somewhat more elevated level. of the live acts left in vegas, his might be the biggest draw. i suggested this place because raku, off the strip is where every chef i know, who knows this town said i should go. it's known as one of the best places to eat in vegas, casual, but pricey. pricey because the ingredients, many from around the world. sea urchin from santa barbara, not too far, but good, tuna from spain, the fresh river crab from japan. >> that was good, right? >> yeah, delicious. >> i didn't know oysters came
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that big. >> the saki sashimi, saki belly, juicy deep fried chicken and fish collar where all the best, tastiest, moistest, meatiest bits hide their favorites. penn has been living here and performing here for over 20 years. he knows. >> the thing about magic is, you cannot see it electronically. many people come to vegas are people that see one or two live shows a year, and if you see one or two live shows, you might as well see something that you can only see live, that you can never, ever see a magician but live. >> these days, live performers are being squeezed out in favor of edm, electronic dance music. it's a deejay's world. where once they used to say cocaine was god's way of telling
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you you had too much money, now maybe edm is. >> we get invited to all the openings of the new clubs, but i don't understand it. and i'm embarrassed i don't understand it. >> are we just old? >> i think that might be it. >> or are we non-douchey? >> if you want it to spin the latter, i'm afraid it might be the former. >> it used to be a whole spectrum of intertapeners were vegas. >> danny gans was huge here, wayne newton. they were gods. but what's the big money draw now? this. ♪ come ye lords and princedoms of douchedom, hear my clarion call. anointeth thyself with gel and heavenly body paint, let there be high-fiving from the hugging of many bros, for this is the kingdom and power, now frolic and maketh this to rain.

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