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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news in the battle for the heart and the soul of the republican party. congressman paul ryan gets support from a key group of conservative lawmakers, but it falls short of what he demands to be the speaker of the house. is it enough? this is cnn tonight. i'm brooke baldwin in for don lemon. the trump juggernaut pulls into iowa. can you tell? >> if i become president, we're going to be saying merry christmas at every store. >> and hillary clinton gets a big old gift from joe biden. >> unfortunately i believe we're out of time, the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for the nomination.
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>> tomorrow, she goes into the lon's den when house republicans grill clinton about the benghazi attack and let's begin with our breaking news. in the battle to choose the next speaker of the house of representatives, to dana bash we go, our chief political correspondent. dana bash, you've been racing around capitol hill through the evening. the house freedom caucus just wrapped its meeting. i know paul ryan got their support but not their endorsement. tell me the difference. >> at this point, brooke, it is a difference without a distinction because the headline here tonight is that paul ryan does have the votes to be speaker of the house. and that was determined in a vote, the reason i'm standing here is because not that long ago it was pretty full. this room was full of those freedom caucus members. and they came out saying they did vote -- a super majority, meaning 70% of them voted yes, he should be the next speaker, but not the 80 that the rules of
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the caucus determine for an endorsement. listen to what one of the members said to me afterwards. do you support him? >> i do. >> do you think he should be speaker, do you think he should take this two-thirds majority and run with it? >> i do. i think we should undertake now to change the way the house does business. we met with him for an hour and a half today, i think he satisfied many of us that he was willing to change business as usual in washington, d.c. >> and, brooke, shortly after that, after they actually called paul ryan privately to tell them what they decided, he did release a statement via twitter. here is what he said. he said i'm grateful for the support of the super majority of the house freedom caucus. i look forward to hearing from the other two caucuses by the end of the week. but i believe this is a positive step towards a unified republican team. the translation there is that he appears to be moving forward with his bid to be speaker.
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you remember it was just last night, hard to believe, just last night, that ryan said that he would do this, reluctantly, doesn't want the job, but would do it if the three major caucuses within the house republican conference decided to endorse him. so this is one. the other two are not so hard. they're all but expected to do so, probably as early as tomorrow, which means that the reluctant speaker probably will end up being just that. >> but, i hear your translation on moving forward, but back to his demands. are they accepting those? the line on their statement, let me read this, this is key, while no consensus exists among members, we believe the issues can be resolved within our conference in due time. what is your translation on that? >> that he didn't meet all of their demands, but that they're kind of giving him a pass on some. and the demands that the -- that the freedom caucus that they were asking for, for lots of
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changes in the rules, which, you know, are kind of arcane, but that they mean in layman's terms is that they want more power. and they want to have a voice. and they want to have a seat at the table. and it clearly was after a meeting that paul ryan had with these about 40 or so members earlier this evening, before they met here, they came away feeling pretty confident that even though there weren't specific promises made necessarily, that he is somebody who is willing to listen and willing to move forward at least enough of them, feel that way, that ryan, you know, he set up this -- these conditions which in some ways he thought might be pretty tough for them to meet. looks like they met them. >> how about that? 24 hours later, dana bash, thank you so much. we'll talk a lot more about this with hugh hewitt in a matter of minutes. let's get to the republican front-runner donald trump running roughshod over his republican rivals. 32%, ben carson in second with
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22% and jeb bush is down in the single digits at 7%. trump wrapped up this rally this evening in burlington, iowa, sarah murray is there for us with the day in trump. all right. so what did trump say about the big news out of washington today, joe biden, not running. >> well, trump had plenty of news to offer up, some red meat for his conservative fans, but first he had to deal with the other side of the aisle. listen to what he said about biden's decision not to run. >> we had some news today that biden is not running. and i think he did the smart thing because frankly i don't know that he would have won. he wouldn't have gotten the nomination. i don't think he probably would have. and frankly i really want to run against hillary. i really do.
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>> now, trump has good reason to want to run against hillary. the latest polls and the fictional matchups between trump and hillary and trump and biden show he would have faced a much tougher fight up against joe biden. brooke? >> back to the red meat you alluded to. he talked about what he would want as far as military leadership style goes, what did he say? >> well, trump is pretty light on specifics when it comes to his plans for foreign policy, even for dealing with the military. one thing he has made clear, he plans to be tough. >> i watch the other night a general being interviewed. sad. he's leaving. he's retiring. what do you think of isis? oh, it is very tough. very tough. very tough. isis is very tough. 50,000 people, very, very tough. i said, boy, that's sad. even if it was tough, he shouldn't be saying that, besides that, what is the general doing on television being interviewed? why is the general being interviewed? i don't want my generals being
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interviewed. i want my generals kicking -- i don't want them being interviewed. >> and, brooke, that is exactly the kind of unscripted comment that people come to these trump events to see. a number of people who are in attendance tonight came out afterwards talking about that and saying that is just the kind of thing they expect to see from trump as president. it is part of the reason they like him, they believe he won't take crap from anyone. >> you hear the cheers. listen, today is day 100 of him being top on the polls. sara murray, thank you. back to the big story, breaking news. hugh hewitt is joining me now, host of radio's hugh hewitt show. hugh hewitt, great to have you on. we have lots to get through tonight. >> thank you, brooke. good to be here. >> you heard dana bash's translation of the paul ryan
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tweet, this is moving forward. this is my question to you. how can paul ryan with everything on capitol hill in such a disarray and they say, yeah, we like you, we'll support you, we won't necessarily go with your conditions and we don't endorse you officially, i mean, he's lost this first stand -- this drawing line in the sand, what position does that get him? >> members are trying to run away from it. people like mar lynn stetson who want to run for senate have been deeply damaged. when paul ryan's name goes up for speaker at the day the speaker -- the outgoing speaker calls the vote, he'll get between 235 and 240 republican votes out of 247. and this very small minority that held not only the house, but now the freedom caucus, has
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been so extreme in their demands that i think they killed the freedom caucus reputation. i would not be surprised to see more people like paul mcclintock who quit the freedom caucus last month fleeing from the freedom caucus. the 80% rule is just plain stupid. i wouldn't belong to any homeowners association that required an 80% vote to act, brooke. would you? >> i don't know. i don't know. i mean, no, of course not. but, you know, i don't know, i hear you saying the house freedom caucus is the loser, but i'm wondering what does paul ryan win. you talked to someone today about all of this. >> yes, i talk ed to mike pompeo. he was going to stand for speaker if paul ryan failed to collect the necessary supermajority support in the house republican conference. and representative pompeo, west point grad, harvard law grad, would have been a great speaker. he said he wanted ryan.
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i have not been able to find one anti-ryan person who would come on the air, nor i do think i want them on my radio show to tell you the truth. ryan will win overwhelmingly and probably the strongest speaker that the house had since going back to the 80s. that's because he's smart and can communicate and talk to people like you and everyone on cnn about the policy goals. and, for example, tomorrow when the hearing is held with mrs. clinton -- >> we'll get there, we'll get there. >> i think he'll be able to reinterpret whatever happens in a way that john boehner simply lacks the skill set to do. >> i know. i no he know in the opinion piet ef everyone agrees with you, you know that, you have laura ingraham calling that -- he's basically dispottic and taking issue with his demand for more family time. let me show you some of what was said on twitter.
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americans who workweekends away from family military first responders, construction, restaurant, retail workers, nurses, salesman, this is what's wrong with washington, you work four days a week and want a medal for it. hugh hewitt, what do you make of it? >> i just reject that. i think paul ryan works harder than anyone i know in the republican party. he spends the hours and days to think through solutions. when he ran for president, he began in warren, owe ohio. he's one of the smartest, hardest working republicans up there. anyone can say what they want on twitter. i'm a big free speech person. when it comes down to that, when the vote is held, ryan has 235 out 2of 247 votes. it will make people appear more marginal than they perhaps wanted to appear and folks like me more mainstream conservative. i've been a conservative since working for ronald reagan in 1984. i don't apologize for my
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credentials. mainstream conservatism suppor s s paul ryan. >> hillary clinton had a couple of big obstacles this week. one, got out of the way this afternoon, joe biden no longer running -- or saying he will not run for president. she is facing this big benghazi hearing tomorrow. she's in the hot seat. i know you have been anxiously awaiting this day. tell me why. >> well, i want a couple of points made to the american people. one, a document or e-mail does not have to be marked classified to be classified. i hope we'll elicit that admission tomorrow. anyone who had a secret clearance knows that it is not what it is marked, it is what it says. i also hope to elicit from her the admission or to have trey gowdy or mike pompeo or susan brooks elicit from her the admission that the accountability review board and all the previous investigations of the benghazi massacre were flawed because she held back, she concealed, she secreted, she
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deceived those committees as to important information that was on her secret server. i don't expect dramatics tomorrow or fireworks, i expect patient prosecutorial questioning that establish for the american people that the secretary -- former secretary of state has been lying to them. that's why her trustworthy number is below 50%. >> you're right, absolutely, on that number, but let's talk about another number. the monmouth university poll, 52% of americans believe this committee is more interested in going after clinton, add to that i talked to a good hillary clinton friend today on my show, senator barbara boxer, you know, she's calling this, this committee hearing a witch-hunt, mccarthy and other republicans who say this is absolutely politically motivated. here is senator boxer. >> for goodness sakes, it lasted longer than watergate this investigation of benghazi. iran/contra, hurricane katrina
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and the warren commission which looked into the assassination of jfk, this has been ridiculous. they are in a difficult spot. because if they go after her, everyone is going to say, we thought that was the case. and if they're so soft and they don't really ask anything much, people are going to say why have you spent more than $4 million of taxpayer money. i agree with my leadership, i think the republican national committee ought to pay taxpayers back. >> how would you respond to the senator there? >> give had her a cable channel. senator boxer does more for the republican credibility every time she comes on the republicans do for themselves. the reason that the committee has taken so long is if the e-mail server and the documents were hidden by a secretary of state clinton and her aides for so long. the cover-up was successful until very recently. and so the response of senator boxer is it has taken longer than watergate because nixon turned over his tapes, secretary clinton did not turn over her server and tried to destroy it
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and it had to be reconstructed. senator boxer is a good reliable liberal democrat who will say whatever she's asked to say in her waning months in congress. but tomorrow i think we'll get these two admissions down. a document doesn't have to be marked classified to be classified. it is a felony to store classified material improperly. and a felony for sid blumen all that to reveal the secret names of secret agents. hopefully she will change her tactics tomorrow, not attempt to make this a partisan occasion, not attempt to throw blame around, but just answer the questions. she told the families of the victims of benghazi that they -- their loved ones were killed because of a video. she's got to renounce that, set the record straight and tell the truth. it is hard for her, it is new for her, we'll see if she can do
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it tomorrow. >> well, whatever your opinion, we'll all be watching. she's doing it publicly. hugh hewitt, thank you. thank you so much. >> thank you, brooke. much more on hillary clinton's benghazi testimony tomorrow. could it hurt her campaign? answers from political experts. donald trump charms his supporters while stumping tonight in iowa. >> i speak from the brain. but i speak from the heart. it is both. it has got to be both. got to be both. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want- without having to ask anyone. who better to be the boss of you...
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back with breaking news, the house freedom caucus votes to support congressman paul ryan if he runs for speaker. joining me now, ron lizza for the new yorker.
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angela rye, republican political consultant john breabender. great to have all of you on. bob cusack, my first question out of the gate, is paul ryan going to be the next speaker of the house? >> yes, brooke. he is. this is a big night for him. he didn't get the formal endorsement, the 80% you were talking about earlier with hugh hewitt. but he got enough support. super majority. paul ryan is not going to be elected unanimously, but really there is no other choice for the house republicans. as a party, the house gop or the house democrats or any really party with senate or house you have to be unified. the house republicans are not unified. paul ryan can do it. but it will be a tall task. he will be your next speaker. >> ryan lizza, between paul ryan and house freedom caucus, he believes the house freedom caucus would be the losers. do you agree? >> yeah, look, paul ryan stared them down and he won. he did not get the formal endorsement of the freedom
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caucus, true, but have you ever seen a leader in a position like paul ryan, his entire party begging him to become speaker of the house. he, for effect, or because he really is reluctant playing this reluctant game, making them sort of beg him. going before the freedom caucus and saying you do x, y and z or you don't get me. john boehner couldn't do that. >> he didn't get what he wanted. he didn't get the furl ll endorsement, true. this is the most sort of -- this is a pretty tough group. they don't want to do anything that the establishment wants and he got two-thirds of them. i agree with you, this is a loss for them and a win for paul ryan. he's going to -- he's going to get that gavel in a -- he's going to go into the speaker's chair with us with the wind at his back. >> angela, something that paul ryan said last night, this is part of when he was announcing he would run for speaker of the
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house. >> i cannot and i will not give up my family time. i may not be on the road as often as previous speakers, but i pledge to tri and make up for it with more time communicating our vision, our message. what i told members is if you can agree to these requests, and if i can truly be a unifying figure, then i will gladly serve. >> how realistic is that, angela? >> it is not realistic. one of the primary roles of the speaker of the house is to go into member districts and help them fund-raise. i don't know how he expects them to do that and he's demonstrating already how hypocritical he is. paul ryan has a record of not supporting paid family leave, but yet he wants the country to get behind him there or the key protesters in politics, the freedom caucus, who already have demonstrated that they're going to draw a hard-line in the sand with him already tonight as well. so this is going to be really interesting for him to go in
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with demand that are not met and for him to get the support of the american people, it is really interesting how this unfolds. >> john, let's talk trump. this is something donald trump said this evening in iowa. >> i guarantee, if i become president, we're going to be saying merry christmas at every store. we're not going to be doing every store. every store. the happy holiday, you can leave that over in the corn, happy holiday, everybody. enjoy it. i'm saying merry christmas to whoever wants to hear it. >> christmas, i mean, no accident, this is in iowa eye audience, a man who knows his audience. your reaction? >> every day it seems like he's running for cheerleader of the united states rather than president of the united states. what the popularity of donald trump really has less to do with donald trump than it is the people who are supporting him. they feel very disenfran cchisd
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they're very unhappy with washington. everything sort of crazy we think donald trump does signals to them that he is a different type of candidate and maybe can believe him when he says he's going to go change things. but i will tell you, he's very good at offering sort of these little themes, but he doesn't do very much in offering real substance and i think in the long-term, we're going to find out if there is any there. >> that was one theme. here is another theme. >> you know what i love? a poll came out the other day that i'm winning 25%. think of this. as a republican. as a republican. it is unheard of. usually it is 7%, 5%, 4%, 9%, 25%. you know what i say african-american. they say if you get 25% african-american, the election is over. you're going to win the election. no, it's true. it's true.
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>> is that right, angela? >> i don't think that's right. i also don't think he's going to get 25% of the african-american vote. donald trump is having a hell of a time because he can decide which party he's going to be allegiance to each day. he sounds like an independent some days, some days he sounds look a democrat. i don't think that he's anywhere close to getting 25% of the african-american vote and he certainly is going to have a tough time if he continues to -- the type of racist rhetoric he's been known for so far, both on immigration policy and something that has not been talked about yet, that full page ad he took out about the central park five calling them killers. that's going to get a lot of play if he were to make it tie general election. african-americans will not stand for that. >> bob, can you weigh in on that? >> i think democrats are relishing the chance to go after donald trump and democratic
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national committee has gone after trump and also gone after jeb bush a lot and marco rubio. you have to look at it donald trump is approaching 100 days on top of the polls. that is unbelievable. and if jeb bush had done that, we would all be saying this race is over, jeb bush will get the nomination. >> we're not, are we? >> no. >> we're not. angela laughs. stay with -- >> three-quarters of the republicans are supporting someone else besides donald trump so, you know, we know trump has 25%, but 75% are not supporting had him. >> there are a million people in that race. >> all right, all of you. stay with me. we're going to move off trump. want to talk about the big day tomorrow for hillary clinton, her public testimony in front of the house benghazi committee. will it hurt her or have republicans overplay their hand. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple. real simple.
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm brooke baldwin in tonight for don lemon. hillary clinton's testimony tomorrow could be critical to her campaign. back with me again, ryan lizza, angela rye, john breabender. you heard hugh hewitt at the top
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of the show, tough on her. i want to respond to that and what do you think she has to do tomorrow. >> well, let me start with what she has to do tomorrow. hillary clinton has to be very strong and sure in her answers and clear in her responses. she also cannot by any -- under any circumstances come across as defensive. we saw that in press conference and the nation frankly reacted. she has to come across as being apologetic about what happened and being clear that she cannot own that situation. as for what mr. hewitt said, first of all, having also been someone that had -- is now active, but i had a top secret security clearance, what he said was actually not true. you can have something in your in box that is not classified and it would be classified later. that does not make it top secret information. that means it was later classified. hillary clinton has been tlecle throughout that's what happened. any agency can later determine
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there is something that is now worth preserving for national security interests. i want to clarify just that one point. >> i'm glad you did. i never had a top secret security clearance so i don't know about that. that said, here is another question, we'll be watching her testimony tomorrow. can she have a moment like this? take a look. >> the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night decided to kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. >> that was january of 2013. bob cusack, you think hillary clinton will do well tomorrow. tell me why. >> well, because she has testified before the house and the senate on this. and she has been very defensive at various press conferences and interview s on the e-mail. she did shift amid bad poll numbers. hillary clinton did well in the debate. she knows she's going to be
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attacked. she knows republicans, a couple of them at least, will try to touch her buttons. she has to be calm. she has to be clear. she has to acknowledge that she didn't handle this e-mail issue in the best way. but at the same time, this issue is not going to go away. fbi is investigating it. but there is no doubt about it, republicans have to watch about overreach and i think they have to have some news tomorrow. that's got to be the headline for them. >> something to come out of this, some significant nugget. on the overreach point, john, as a republican, you say you are afraid republicans might have overplayed their hand here. tell me why. tell me why it has become overly politicized. >> i don't think they should overplay their hands. i think there are facts here that are very, very important. understand this, hillary clinton is better than anybody in this country at playing the victim. frankly there were actual victims in benghazi, they were heroic americans who were killed because we didn't react the right way. their families and frankly all
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of america deserves answers on why we didn't respond, why hillary clinton and her staff put out this phony story that it was due to a video that caused this. i think it is important as republicans, we don't try to get too much rhetoric in the way and instead concentrate on getting facts and answers that america never got. >> angela, i've been watching you with the face and shaking your head, but let me go to you, ryan. has america been waiting for answers? how much is it about that? how much is it about politics? what is your read? >> look, we do know that two republicans have on the record said that a lot of it was about politics. at least the change in emphasis from just figuring out what happened on september 12th in benghazi to what i view as a little bit of an obsession about the e-mail issue which frankly so far is nothing in those e-mail has gotten us any closer to the truth in benghazi. this has been pretty well investigated. we know the state department should have had more security on
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the ground in the run-up to this event happening. i'm not so sure -- i think what is happening is that there are some republicans up there who really believe that hillary clinton had some kind of devious role in this whole thing and they're out to get her. i think that's pretty clear. and frankly from my perspective, it is taken away from the bigger issue of what happened in libya. and it -- >> you're not first person to say that, my friend. >> it has gotten oat bahal the administration off the hook. we bombed the country and left it in chaos and that policy failure has been sidestepped over this obsession about trying to tag hillary clinton with somehow having, you know, been responsible for these americans dying. i think that's one of the tragedies here is we lost sight of that. >> ryan lizza, angela rye, john breabender, bob cusack, thank you very much. it is important. coming up. the kennedys are the closest
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joe biden and ted kennedy were close throughout their decades on capitol hill and both ran for president and patrick served in the house for 16 years. patrick kennedy, author of "a common struggle" joins me now. good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you for spending time with us. you know joe biden well. you saw the news like the rest of us today from the rose garden. were you disappointed? >> i love joe biden. i think he's given so much to this country and as he said he still has more to give. i'm happy for joe biden. >> how? why? >> because i mean what a great life and the fact that he's still charging along, happy warrior, you know, everybody loves joe. and there is good reason for it
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because he's been so nice to so many people, he's gracious. he's partisan, but people like him. >> you just got me to my next question, which is he is partisan, but he, you know, does reach over the aisle just as your own father, known as a liberal lion, known for being able to work with the other party. yet joe biden keeps bringing up this iteration of a quote about republicans shouldn't be your enemies, a swipe at what hillary clinton said at her own debate. this is joe biden earlier today. >> i don't believe, like some do, that it is naive to talk to republicans. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemies. they are opposition. they're not our enemies. and for the sake of the country, we have to work together. >> why does he keep saying that? why do you think that comment, that hillary clinton made last week in las vegas, got under his skin? >> i think that our whole
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democracy depends on our ability to be civil to one another. and ultimately we all lose if we demonize one another. we're all americans. we're all -- want the best for this country. yes, we have the different political philosophies. but if we have to go at each other, we make ourselves weaker as a society, our democracy, all those who dedicated their lives and gave their lives to this country made the ultimate sacrifice, they gave it for democracy, so that ey could savs from having the kind of regimes that is one party regimes that you see in other parts of the world where they deny political expression. and they demonize one another. we don't have that. we have great political fighting. but we can't let it devolve. and -- >> he wants to remind everyone of that. >> he wants to remind. he's joe. he's been around. he's seen it. and i think he knows, like my dad did, that he has profound
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respect for the institution, both of the senate and now as an executive branch of the whole system of democracy. he sees it being turned upside down. look at the freedom caucus, deciding who the next speaker is. what happened to majority rules? you know, that ought to be the governing principle in a democracy. >> talking to people tonight, they do see the house freedom caucus as the losing party of their winners and losers. i think people hear your point. let me move on and talk about a moment today, president obama was in west virginia. and he announced some new steps to tackle prescription drug abuse, heroin use, addiction is something you have struggled with, you are nearly five years sober. >> 4 1/2. >> 4 1/2. what do you think is the root cause of all this? >> i think the root cause, first of all, if this were cancer or hiv, i don't think it would have taken the president have taken him so long to address t i think the politics would have said, hey, this is a public health
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epidemic. more people are dying of this than car accidents. suicide is twice the rate of homicide. maybe we should do something about it. i mean, then he does an event in west virginia and it is tragically stepped on by the vice president's announcement. even still, it was not front and center the way we need the president to make this issue front and center. two, this is a medical issue, needs to be treated like all other medical issues. and the president has the authority to tell insurance companies they're obligated under the law to treat this like any other chronic illness. and, by the way, he didn't do that. what he offered were some nice things, but what i'm more concerned about is what he didn't say. and that is we ought to enforce the mental health parody, because until insurance companies pay for screening, and until they pay for treatment, and until they're invested in this, they're never going to bother to make sure you're mentally healthy, like they
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would make sure that you're not going to get cancer or you're not going to get diabetes. all the other things they work on to protect us. >> this is important. i don't want this to go below the fold. you're incredibly passionate about this and i hear what you're saying about the president. i want to play one clip from what he said earlier today that caught my attention. >> i thought about mal wia and sasha. they're wonderful girls but they're teenagers. they do some things. and i remember me being a teenager. and i have written about this. i did some stuff. and i've been very honest about it. and so what i think about is there but for the grace of god. >> watching you watch this. you hear the laughter, there is lighter moments and incredibly serious, but his point being this can happen to anyone. >> well, it is a brain illness. some of us are more predisposed
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because of family history. and also environment. so if you have trauma in your life, as many people who are coming from different backgrounds, who have a parent who is been violent to another parent, domestic violence, or a parent without alcoholism or addiction, or mental illness, believe me, the children are higher risk. we know that from the studies called adverse childhood studies. then people have genetic risk too. you compare it like with any other illness, you have genetic and environment to trigger. same with illness and addiction. what we need is to treat these as medical issues. it is that simple. it needs to be integrated health. meaning the rest of the physician community needs to be do doing a checkup from the neck up for their patient. >> congressman kennedy, your new book is "a common struggle". thank you. we'll be right back.
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want to show you a special picture tonight. live look at the empire state building in new york, illuminated in blue to honor a new york police officer who was shot and killed in the line of
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duty last evening. and with that, we have breaking news tonight in another tragic shooting, a man is in custody in connection with the new mexico road rage incident in which a 4-year-old little girl was shot and killed. joining me, harry halk and neil franklin. thank you for being with me. when you start to hear about this road rage incident, i mean, i'm almost speechless. 4-year-old girl is in the back of her family's truck, 7-year-old brother sitting next to her, she is hit in the head. she dies. harry, i know police are describing this as classic road rage incident. >> right. >> i don't know what to say. it is horrendous. >> there is nothing to say here, brooke. i worked the homicide similar like that a couple of years ago. and a lot of times these road rage incidents would happens is somebody gets so outraged about somebody being cut off, we have
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gone through this, i've gone through this before, i had people cut me off, and a lot of times, even criminals that don't d this, the case i worked on, a guy just coming home from shooting at the range, who had never gotten involved in any kind of criminal activity, cut off, got so mad, he killed the other driver. this might have been what happened here. i don't know. but i'm very glad here that we finally got a person of interest in custody. >> right. take a deep breath. don't pull out a gun. neil, we heard from the police chief, said this. >> yeah. and, again, we are begging for the community's help. this should have never happened. this is a complete disrespect of human life. and we're starting to see this throughout our nation and this is something that should not be happening. >> neil, you've been in law enforcement a long time. have you ever heard of something like this. >> unfortunately, brooke, i
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have. i work for the state police here in maryland for 23 years. and that seems to be where we have a lot of the road rage on our interstate highways. and if we can just get people to take a breath for a moment, you know, unfortunately, you know, people make mistakes, they accidentally cut people off, and if -- on both parts, the person cutting someone off, when you realize it, just acknowledge it, you know, give an indication you're sorry, that you apologize, and the person who gets cut off, just take a breath, just take a breath. it is not worth it. unfortunately here we are again with another unfortunate tragedy. >> we'll stay on it again, person of interest, not yet suspect, person of interest in custody. harry, let me pivot to the story, the story we talked about, shooting in florida by a plain clothes officer, unmarked patrol car. we're learning more about the officer involved in the shooting. officer newman raja. he failed to disclose in his job
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application he had been reprimanded in a previous police job for failing to turn over morphine he had recovered from a suspect. would that have disqualified him from this job? >> it depends on the incident. i can tell you now, back in the early '80s, i first became a new york city police officer, we didn't make a lot of drug arrests in harlem because we weren't allowed to. we were told not to. we caught people with drugs, we threw the drugs in the sewer. did this happen? is this what this police officer did? maybe, maybe not. but it has no significance at all in this shooting. >> okay. and, neil, finally to you, you know, this new york police officer, let me name him, who was shot and killed in the line of duty, randolph holder, knowing that, shot by a fugitive drug offender, this was a bad guy. is this in a sense why police are suspect. of people they come across, especially in the case of florida, in the middle of the
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night? >> of course. first, let me begin with giving my condolences to officer holder's family, to the men and women of the nypd. i was with some comrades here in washington, d.c. earlier today and, yes, unfortunately this is part of the job, the inherent danger of the job that we have in law enforcement. and, yes, it does unfortunately contribute to how we, the police, do see people from time to time, especially when you engage yourself into a foot chase. you don't know what to expect on that chase and unfortunately, like in this incident here, we lose the life of another fellow officer in blue. and it going to be a tough one for the nypd and his family to get through unfortunately. >> brooke, what is really important here. >> quickly. >> with all the rhetoric, anti-police rhetoric, officer holder still went after this armed suspect and gave his life for the people in that neighborhood. let's not forget that.
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