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they are doing the best they can and i know they have tried to be responsive to you and to the many other requests that have come their way. >> madam secretary, on behalf of us we want to thank you for your patience and for your willingness to come and you have been willing to come in the past, as i noted in my opening, and we appreciate it and with that, we will be adjourned. >> thank you. >> there you have it. good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. you see it wrapping up. former secretary of state longly awaited, testimony before the house committee on benghazi. proceedings began at 10:00 a.m. this morning and ended with fireworks between secretary clinton and trey gowdy. republican lawmakers all day on the attack but also on the defensive at times after two members of their own party i including the majority leader suggested. they certainly see this as a
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political exercise aimed a damaging the leading candidate. things turning more contentious as you may have seen toward the end right there. i want to go first to our non-partisan team, cnn political analyst david garrigan, gloria borger and also, senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. carl, you covered a lot of hillary clinton and you've seen a lot of hearings over the years. what do you make of this? >> i thought we got a great look at who president clinton would be, a competence and command over the scene she was being asked to testify under. she knew the issues. there was very impressive and you have to go back to joe mccarthy, to the house on american committee to find a process as abusive in a congressional hearing as this was.
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>> you think you go back to mccarthy here. >> i do. i think this was a reckless and outrageous hearing and the process is. that said, she has a problem with stone walling on the question of these e-mails and her server. the fbi is looking at it and that's probably the appropriate place but i think we got a real look at who hillary clinton would be as president. how she, her comportment, her composure, the terms of policy and familiarity with the issues down in the weeds. the fact she had been on the senate arms services committee and what she knows about the world and policy. i thought we got a look at somebody we never saw before. >> gloria, was there a smoking gun today. sydney bloomingthal. >> most of the american public has no idea who that was until today. he's an old friend of the clintons who e-mailed her about, you know, all kinds of foreign
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policy things including libya and, you know, she forwarded some of his e-mails and their point was, the republican point was look, he e-mailed you more than chris stevens. >> a more direct line to you than chris stevens. >> exactly. he knew your personal e-mail. chris stevens didn't know your personal e-mail and it was part of their larger, you know, their larger narrative here which was a, you own libya policy. which was bad. and they could make that case. but then they started going down this path of you were there in 2012 and didn't pay enough attention to security, which she answered. you were uncaring after event. you were concerned more about your p.r. and that nobody wanted to admit this was a terror attack because it didn't fit into the obama legacy narrative. these were all political points. we didn't learn anything new,
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anderson, except i think for hillary clinton's own moving narrative of what occurred that night at her end, and how frantic they were and as she described it as the fog of war and they didn't know who was dead and who was alive and she was moved and i think anybody watching that would be moved because you sort of felt like it was something that was spiraling out of control, that they were trying to get a handle on and i think that's the first time we've ever really heard that. >> as we continue to see former secretary clinton talking with members on her way out, also with her attorneys, david, first, anyone say this committee isn't divided along partisan lines, republicans, you know, clearly going after hillary clinton being as tough as they could and democrats being as gentle as they could here. did anything for you new come out of this? >> no, not a ton of information.
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i'll tell you, anderson, i'm sure there are conservatives that will be chaired by the hearings and will think she's basically gotten a free pass on ben gz see and good for republicans to press in but i think a great number of other americans and i'm in this group will find that these hearings were very, very disturbing. i cannot remember a secretary of state to go back to carl's point, i can't remember a secretary of state in modern times ever grilled and badgered the way she was tonight for 11 hours she's been up there in these hearings and an unprecedented grilling. i hope we never see one like this again. >> you think it was unfair? >> i'm not sure unfairness. i just thought there was sort of a brutal quality about it. and to take everything and she said in the worst possible light to try to accuse her of not caring, the fact she went home
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somehow the night of the benghazi attack -- >> david, let me just hold that thought because i know dana has one of the committee members, congressman schiff, dana. >> reporter: thanks, congressman, you sort of made the joke which luckily turned into a joke about being here still for the 3:00 a.m. phone call she was going to get. it was a long hearing. there was a lot discussed. i know your role was to talk a lot about how it was political since you are on the democratic side. but there were a few things that came up and came through with the hours and hours of hearing. did you learn anything new? >> i mean, this is the thing, we really didn't learn anything that the other investigations hadn't covered for all the talk about the 50 witnesses we interviewed and all the e-mails that we saw, it was really nothing that my colleagues would point to that was new or shed different light on the events that happened or altered any conclusions of these other
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reports, so i have to say i don't think we've shown much of any progress and for all the time and money put into it, that's very disappointing. >> now, one of your colleagues on the republican side, congresswoman brooks was questioning the secretary about her communication with chris stevens, the ambassador that died in this horrible tragedy and it was surprising that she didn't seem to remember any communication with him. it had to have surprised you. >> well, you know, i don't think they had e-mail communication -- >> but not just e-mail, any communication. >> i don't know. i don't want to speak for the secretary, i don't recall if she had talked with him or not talked with him but she did make it very clear in terms of the issue we're concerned about here, that he never did communicate directly with her on security and he knew a way to reach her but i think it's quite apararant that the ambassador felt that that was not the
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appropriate level to make the decisions about security, that the office of the diplomatic security was the right venue for that. i think that's who he interacted with and i think it's quite telling that's exactly who he thought he ought to reach out to on that issue. >> the fact there were so many requests for security, i mean, maybe she's not responsible for security, maybe she is. as somebody that's a remember of this select committee, that has to bother you. >> it does. that's something the accountability review board looked into extensively. they were critical of the state department and how the security office handled that request and requests should have been met and weren't. so i certainly agree, it is concerning a great deal but that's not new ground. we've known that for years now. we've known those mistakes were made and serious mistakes. >> thank you very much,
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congressman, appreciate it. anderson, back to you. want to join back with our pan panel. david, you were talking about badgering the aggressive questioning of the secretary. i want to play one exchange and have you talk about it and also, jeff, as well. >> can you answer today what were the search terms? >> the search terms were everything you could imagine that might be related to anything but went through every single e-mail. >> that's not answering the question. search terms means terms, what terms did you use -- >> i did not -- >> what date did you start, what was the end date and e-mails in between there we'll look at. >> congressman, i asked my attorneys to oversee the process. i did not look over their shoulder. i did not dictate how they would do it. i did not ask what they were doing. >> you don't know?
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you don't know which ones the state department got and we might get? >> the state department had between 90 and 95% of those work related. they were on the system. >> trey gowdy is speaking. let's listen in. >> i don't draw conclusions until the end and there are more witnesses to talk to. from my standpoint, we keep going on until we're able to interview all the witnesses that we think have access to relevant information and access the documents. i told you in my opening count how many times you hear my colleagues to the left ask the executive branch to produce documents. i counted zero. so the six of us, seven of us would be much closer to writing that final report if we could get just a little bit of help in gra gaining access to the document. >> mr. gowdy, what did you find the most relevant piece of
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information? >> i have a very different interpretation of the phrase personal review than the arb did. i think personal review means exactly what it says, personal review. we had a lot of q and a this morning about specific security instances and specific requests and her response was i have people in processes in place for that. that's fine. that's a fair answer. but you also need to be prepared to answer why you have people and processes in place for security but people and processes were not in place for diesel fuel, gasoline, fish or the drivel of sydney bloomingthal. >> what new things did you learn today? >> i think some of jimmy jordan's questioning. when you say knew today, we knew some of that already. we knew some of the e-mails. in terms of her testimony? >> uh-huh. >> i don't know she testified
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that much differently today than the previous time. >> trey gowdy making comments what he heard tonight. we'll take a short break. when we come back, we'll try and do the impossible, bring you the most important moments, the best moments or the worst molts depending on your perspective perhaps boiled down to a few minutes. also ahead, more from the panel and thoughts of a victim's six sister, and what she heard and today's testimony as our special 360 coverage continues. ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. ♪
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we've been watching history unfold, hour after hour of testimony, nine hours in all. stakes could not have been higher and in case you didn't have nine free hours today. here are some of the most important moments from this big day. >> we are going to write that final definitive accounting of what happened and we would like to do it with your help but make no mistake we are going to do it nonetheless. >> last weekend the chairman told republican colleagues to shut up and stop talking about the select committee. what i want to know the this, and this is a key question, why tell the republicans to shut up when they are telling the truth?
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>> i'm here. despite all the previous investigations and all the talk about partisan agendas, i'm here to honor those we lost and to do what i can to aid those who serve us still. >> i get asked constantly, why has no one been held accountable? how come not a single person lost a single paycheck connected to the fact we had the first ambassador killed since 1979? how come no one has been held accountability to date? >> the personnel rules and the laws that govern those decisions were followed very carefully. >> yes, ma'am, i'm not asking what the arb did, i'm asking what you did. >> i followed the law congressman -- >> so -- >> that was my responsibility. >> libya was supposed to be, this great success story for the obama white house and the clinton state department and now you have a terrorist attack in libya and it's just 56 days before an election. you can live with the protest
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about a video, that won't hurt you but a terrorist attack will so you can't be square with the american people. >> i thought more about what happened than all of you put together. i've lost more sleep than all of you put together. i have been racking my brain about what more could have been done or should have been done. >> madam secretary, he had unfettered access to you. and he used that access at least on one occasion to ask you to intervene on behalf of a business venture. do you recall that? >> you know, mr. chairman, if you don't have any friends who say unkind things privately, i congratulate you but from my perspective -- >> i'd like to think i'd correct them. >> i move that we put into the record the entire transcript of sydney bloomingthal. let's do the transcript so the
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world can see it. >> why don't you want -- >> i'd like to have all of them released. >> the survivors, want this released? >> let me tell you something -- >> right now -- >> sydney bloomingthal and ms. mills -- >> if you want to ask for some fact witnesses. >> you said from the beginning we want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. why don't we put the entire transcript out there and let the world see it? do you have to hide? >> no one recommended closing but you had two ambassadors that made several, several requests and here is basically what happened to their requests. they were torn up. >> even with several breaks a test of endurance for everybody. donna brazil a democratic strategist and amanda carpenter is ted cruz's former direct tore, contributing editor and
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co-chair of the prohillary clinton supper pact. did anything new come out of today? did you think? >> after watching the long hearing, i think there is three big take aways for republicans, i don't think anyone has a clear idea what hillary clinton's policy was in libya and why it was so important that we did have an ambassador there in a dangerous situation. second thing is that although hillary clinton does take responsibility for the security situation there, it's really unclear what she did or did not do when it comes to the security request other than say she didn't receive them. there is a mismatch of information and lastly, there is still questions about the changing narrative. there is two pieces of information that came to light in the committee today, the first she sent an e-mail to her daughter saying clearly within hours to the attack it was an al qaeda-like attack and called the libyan prime minister and said this had nothing to do with the film. there is a mismatch between what she said in private and public. those are three things i think will have long lasting impact as
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we go forward and get the final report from this committee. >> paul, to amanda's points, are those significant for you? >> no, what's -- we need to have a debate about foreign policy. that's not what this was. this was an attempt to harass hillary to hurt her politically. we went into this hearing saying at 72% of americans think this is partisan. 75% of independents. does anybody believe that a fair-minded independent set aside democrats like me and republicans like amanda, that any fair-minded looked at this and said that is a legitimate? not at all. >> you think hillary clinton comes out stronger? >> absolutely. at first i thought because kevin mccarthy admitted this was a political thing and then this staff guy who said this but no, this and in fact, let me speak to my friend hillary because i can't talk to her in person. hillary, go home, have a nice vodka martin knee, have a good
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night sleep. you don't have to appear again until january 20th, 2017 until you're sworn in as president. >> before i go to donna because she is a democrat. do you think hillary clinton comes out of this stronger in any way? >> she performed well under the conditions. this was a long hearing. donald trump should never complain about a three-hour debate ever again. but -- >> i actually had that thought, again. >> they complain about a three-hour debate. this was nine to 11 hours. >> implications to the 2016 election which will be a referendum. hillary clinton doubled down on the fact she is willing to send diplomats into very dangerous places without any clear explanation what we're trying to accomplish. i have a lot of questions about that policy and that will play out for someone campaigning to be commander in chief as we go forward. >> donna, how do you see what happened today? >> first of all, to the grieving families and their friends, i am sure that they are watching
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this, you know, this today and for that reason, secretary clinton showed up because she wants everyone to understand what happened. her description of the events leading up to it that night and what happened afterwards i think will hold well in the coming days and months. so the families know there was an attempt to try to get help and i think that's important. i thought personally, she was stoic. she was stately. clearly more sophisticated than some of the people, you know, questioning her but overall, i think she came to the committee to try to answer those questions to ensure the american people that we have in place now more protection, more assets for those who are serving our country and to the extent it was a political charade. the republican haves a narrative
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and we know that narrative. we hear it every day. yes, we talked about it because we're democrats and care about fellow citizens but that narrative didn't fit today and i think there needs to basically do sole transparency work on their own release. sydney bloomingthal's e-mails, i want to read them. i've read all hers. i want to read his. it has to be about the four americans. let's continue to do what is best for them and their families and the politics you know what, amanda, she can hold her own. what i saw today was a stately steely stoic sophisticated individual who is well prepared to be the next president of the united states after she wins the primary because i'm neutral. >> okay. paul, i mean, sydney bloomingthal, a lot of people maybe heard of him for the first time. a long-time friend of the
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clintons. david axle rod said rare sydney should be elevated to epic heights in benghazi conspiracy theory. were you surprised how much republicans brought up her friendship with them? >> a long-time journalist asked me to plug his book about abraham lincoln, sid, there is your book. they should release the tra transcript of his interview. some of it has to be classified. i respect that. i do respect that. because we're talking about national security but fundamentally, very rarely held vie pretty sessions and they did their work in the light of day and i think everyone that cares
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ought to call to release certainly sid blumenthal to release without endangering national secrets. >> at the end of day of watching this, i don't know where sydney blumenthal's e-mails the annoying e-mails like jokes but in this case very serious but kind of unwelcomed or just tolerated e-mails or was he playing some sort of a role? my sense was he didn't have any official role. what do you make of it? >> apparently, hillary clinton did find them important enough to forward on for other people to review. the point that the republicans are trying to make is sidney blumenthal whatever character he may be was able to get more in the clinton's circle where other people with legitimate security request were put through a bureaucratic process and did not have direct access to her. did they maybe spend too much
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time on it? i could concede that. legitimate point and gets to the idea clinton relies on a close inner circle and other people and she's within the department she wasn't willing to listen to. that's damaging. >> we don't know that. over 200 diplomats, we heard that today and many had access, the truth is, i think, sidney blumenthal, he is somebody that she talks to. look, she's capable of having friends. she's capable of hearing from outside people and i know anderson, i have to tell you this, i'm annoying to. i send e-mails to people that don't want my advice -- >> i would happily get an e-mail from you any day, donna brazil. >> i already stated you're my boo and i don't want to mess up any -- >> i thought i was. >> hey, hey. >> it does get to the idea she was accepting any e-mails and the second key take away is she
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accepts responsibility but at the sail time she doesn't want to be in charge of making those security decisions. that's the mismatch, either she was in charge or wasn't and had a direct role in making the decision to send diplomats and make them safe or not. she can't have it both ways. >> we got to hear from general petraeus and more individuals. maybe the committee can get to the bottom of their transcripts and work because we still have answers but they don't want to talk to everybody. just want to get to hillary. that's what today looked like. >> i think they will interview david petraeus at some point. >> good. up next, donna mentioned this a moment ago, reaction from someone for whom these hearings are deeply personal. the sister of a cia contractor. hear reaction from today's hearing when we continue. bring us your aching
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before politics surrounding benghazi, the fact is the killings and all that followed is deeply personal. four people lost their lives, four families feel their absence. secretary clinton made that clear in her opening statements. >> the terrorist attacks at our diplomatic compound and later at the cia post in benghazi libya on september 11th, 2012, took the lives of four brave
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americans. ambassador chris stevens, sean smith, glen doherty and tyrone woods. i'm here to honor the service of those four men. the courage of the diplomatic security agency and the cia officers who risk their lives that night. and the work their colleagues do every single day all over the world. >> kate is glen doherty's sister. she joins us with her impressions of the hearing. kate, i know you watched secretary clinton's testimony. what did you think? for you did he put any lingering questions you and your family have to rest? >> overall, i thought she did a fairly good job answering some of the questions. you know, as expected, a lot of the real answers that we're
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looking for were kind of brushed off or not answered in the detail that we would like but in general, it was what i expected it to be. >> when the attack first happened, i mean, it was initially linked to protest happening over an anti muslim movie and secretary clinton was pressed on what she knew when. >> at 10:08 on the night of the attack you released this statement, some have sought to justify the behavior to inflammatory material posted on the internet. here is what you said. at 11:00 that night, one hour after you told the american people it was a video, you said two officers were killed in benghazi by an al qaeda-like group. the next day within 24 hours you had a conversation with the egyptian prime minister, you told him this. we know the attack in libya had nothing to do with the film.
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it was a planned attack, not a protest. >> you obviously met with secretary clinton a few days after the attack. what did she tell you then about your brother's death? >> i did. i met her when we were at andrews air force base and, you know, she spoke to my family about how sad we should feel for the libyan people because they are uneducated and breeds fear which breeds fviolence and lead to protest. i felt how selfish of me. i've never felt about the libyan people and been consumed with my own grief and loss and concern and when i think back now to that day and what she knew, you know, it shows me a lot about her character that she would choose in that moment to basically perpetuate what she knew was untrue. >> it seems an odd thing to
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bring up in that moment, which is a moment of obviously extreme grief to you and your family. seems like something she didn't necessarily need to go down that road. >> yeah, it was very strange and, you know, i thought about it and i never spoke about it for a long time, but, you know, eight days later was glen's funeral and at funeral the priest mentioned in his eulogy how sad religion was involved in his death. this is eight days after the attack that story is still out there and, you know, i would say that's a big difference. you don't get a second eulogy. that makes a big difference to me. >> you obviously are very proud of your brother glen, loved him deeply. what do you want people to know about him? >> glen mostly, you know, he would do anything for his friends. he kept in touch with people
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from all walks off life, which i'm in awe of and ultimately i believe that's what led him onto the roof early in the morning of september 12th. you know, his love for his brothers and, you know, he would just lay down his life for his friends and unfortunately, he did. >> i know in the wake of his killing you have become an advocate for families like yours who lost a loved one works as a contractor for the united states. what are you hoping to change for contractors? >> contractors are required to purchase an insurance policy before they go overseas and there is an out of date law in the books that holds an exception so they are in essence buying a false bill of goods and the cia agreed to retroactively change this policy, which is an amazing thing and will help so many families in order to fund the new policy, four committees
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within the senate and house need to approve it. three of those committees have. we are waiting on the senate intelligence committee -- >> that's the final one. >> and look forward to speaking to them. that's the final one and, you know, it's just the right thing to do. >> well, kate, we'll continue to follow that, as well. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. just ahead tonight, one of secretary clinton's toughest questioners, jim jordan when our special "360" coverage continues.
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congressman jim jordan of ohio used some a lotted time to grill hillary clinton about whether the state department intentionally misled the public that an anti islam video played a role in the attack. >> thanks much. thank you for joining me. i want to start with something your chairman said right here a few minutes ago. trey gowdy, the question was did you-all learn anything new and the answer was i don't know that she testified that much differently today than the previous times she testified. so -- >> she gave a lot of the same answers but the american people learned something new. >> which is what? >> she told egyptian prime minister, no, no, no, this is a video inspired protest. one thing public, one thing private. she told her family it was a terrorist attack.
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>> tell me why this matters when you're trying to get to the bottom of what happened that night. tell me, explain why that matters so much. >> it matters in a much more fundamental sense than that. the american people expect to give it to them square. they expect the truth from their government. we can handle the truth. they expect government officials to give it to them straight and she obviously didn't do that. she gave it straight to people in private like her family. she gave it straight to the egyptian prime minister but not to the american people. >> you've been in this hearing all day so i'm not sure you've been briefed on the buzz but some republicans are saying this actually ended up being political but not in the republican's favor but in that it made her look good. her look capable. her look presidential. >> i leave that to other people. >> does that concern you? you are republican. >> what concerns me is getting to the truth and accomplishing the goal of the committee.
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i don't think my questions were partisan. so that was my question. i also ask her about this. i said look, if you're the most transparent in history as you claim, why won't you allow a w neutral third party like a retired judge to examine these 60,000 some e-mails, 30,000 are private you're not going to get to see, let a federal judge. the fbi has the server. they may find something on there and if they do let a federal judge say does some of that belong to our committee getting to the truth. >> getting to the truth. what is next for your committee? are you about to wrap things up sometime soon? >> we got several more people to interview? >> who is that? who will that be? >> you have to talk to the chairman. we interviewed 50 people. we got 5,000 e-mails today. the ambassador. none of the committee seen that. we get 5,000 pages in the last
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week. it would be nice. it's frustrating we have to keep saying this but it's frustrating. it would be nice if the democrats and administration would help us instead of dragging their feet and get us the information and get us the truth to write the report and give the american people truth and closures and particularly the families of the four individuals that gave their lives. >> appreciate your time. anderson, back to you. >> i want to bring back the non-partisan panel and also joining us, kr,cnn foreign affa corresponde correspondent. what do you make of what you heard from congressman jordan? >> there is a lot, anderson, about this video obviously and protest and i want to go back to the statement that secretary clinton made the day after the benghazi attacks. she said some have sought to justify this vicious behavior referring to the benghazi attack that she condemns as a response
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to inflammatory material posted on the internet. she doesn't say it was born out of a protest. she just says that some have sought -- it's a very carefully worded statement and she talked throughout the hearing of, you know, the fog of war and information coming in. she was also sending a message, i think, as she said throughout the day to countries around the world, particularly the middle east. if you remember the coverage back to that day in addition to reeling from the attack on the benghazi facility, the u.s. was also fending off violent protests in cairo, in yemen, tunisia, some of which damaged some of the embassies, so what the secretary was saying, if you were justifying your attacks, as a result of this video, she is sending a message to not only the people around the world but countries that the u.s. needed their help. so there is a lot of focus on that video, a lot of focus on the fact that clinton said to her family, she said, sent an
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e-mail to chelsea clinton, i believe, saying that it was a terrorist attack, talk -- >> she said it was an al qaeda like group. >> al qaeda like group. remember, there was a claim on facebook by a member of an al qaeda linked group who claimed the attack the very next day they retracted that attack, anderson. >> jeff, i mean, legally speaking we haven't heard from you, is there anything new to this? is there anything to this or in your opinion, is this politics? >> this is politics and i'm glad dana talked to representative jordan because i think he was clearly the worst, the most unprofessional, the most misleading, the most really demeaning to the congress in terms of his questioning. you know, really actively misleading about the evidence that was present and i thought, you know, the questioning at first was actually about something important. it was about the policy in libya. it was about whether the protection was adequate but
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towards the end when representative jordan really went after hillary clinton, it turned into this really repulsive spectacle that i think will really show very poorly for the congress and i don't know if it's going to help hillary clinton or not, but the idea of congressional investigations which has a pretty noble history in the united states has really been demeaned by the second half of the testimony today. >> i want you-all to stick around. we'll hear more ahead. we got to take a short break. hillary clinton was not expecting an easy time today. this wasn't her first time in front of a kpcommittee like thi. we'll look closer how she stood up to it, as you saw her arriving home a minute ago. the cold truth is... [coughing]
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this, congressman. >> it is factually not true. >> and she is telling you from mr. blumenthal. >> and if you look at the. mails -- >> the president deserves the lion share of the credit. >> why is the white house going to get the credit? >> well, i was asked a lot of things going on. >> and joining us is gloria borger and carl bernstein and david bgergen and does she come out this better? >> yes, and a very good thespian as well. and we were talking about hillary clinton and the failure of the campaign and whether she could finish almost. she is now in the catbird seat. she has appeared presidential. we have a look at her as she would be as president, steely, competent, informed and not giving in an h inch and in all things tonight, trying to rise
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above the cultural wars. i never thought that i would see it, but benghazi is a center piece of the cultural wars and the republicans were crazy to take it up that way, because it is a complex event, a nd we wil see why ooh it is complexk and she rose above and showed the complexity and they kept trying to oversimplify it and make it an article of faith that she had been the terrible person and the worst thing they could have done. >> and david gergen, it is like a rorschach test, because people can see into it depending what side of the aisle they are on or what they think of hillary clinton? >> is very true, anderson, and it is too early to kor nate her as president. she is going through a trial by fire and coming out of both the debate and today extremely well i think with the american public, because she has been composed and in command of the facts, and she kept her emotions
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under very, very cool control. and so, you know, as you look at the republican contest and in contrast with the donald trump who is loading the republican pac and you will see hillary clinton as the alternative, i think that she is benefiting from this, but it too early to say, because the election is not settled at all, and still a number of big issues to come. >> and i think that one of the reas reasons that hillary clinton looks so good in addition to the good performance today is that the congressional committee looks so lousy. it was completely partisan and the democrats supporting her gently at every opportunity, and not really asking a lot of tough questions, which -- >> not asking any tough questions. >> which a lot of the democrats have raised about the security issues and libyan policy for example, and the republicans just going at her in every which way without seeming to have a plan or a design to actually
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extract real information that would be useful to the public trying to make up its mind. so, as i look at the whole thing in totality as we watched all of the hours today, you know, on cnn, i would have to say that if you went into it, and you didn't like hillary clinton and you were thinking that you wouldn't believe her, you probably feel the same way coming out. and, you know, those who, those who like her probably think that she did a good job, which she did, but the republican intention was not to turn hillary clinton into mother teresa, right? but in the end, they ended up doing her a great service today just by the comparison to their partisansh partisanship. >> and jeff, legally in terms of what is ahead for hillary clinton on this issue, and there is still the fbi investigation which is probably the biggest concern for her, and now moving forward as opposed to what this committee says. >> at least in theory that is the worst problem.
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i don't even understand what criminal expose sure she has at all? i mean, i really don't think that the fbi has any grounds to invs. gate her, and it is worth pointing out that they have never said that they are investigating her. they are sort of investigating the whole security situation involving these e-mails. so, you know, look, i don't thu that she has any legal problems. politically, this is probably going to be a close election, and lot of democrats and a lot of republicans, and as usual, the election will probably be a close one, but as a legal matter, i don't see any of this going much anywhere at all, especially after today with which did seem to be a pretty convincing clinton victory over her seven pursuers on the republican side. >> and david, do you agree with jeff on that, that legally she is, you know, not facing that much from some of the fbi or
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other? >> yes, i usually do follow e jeff's opinions on the legal issue, and di do on this one. and other issues may arise and the clintons have unfortunate history of just when they are vi victorious, something else comes up to bite them, and so we will have to see how it emerges, and she came out legally and politically a much stronger po suggs. >> thank everybody on the panel tonight, and there is still much more ahead on this very big day. we will be back in a moment. and milking it. start every day with the power of protein and milk life. and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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is over today, and we will cover more of "360" tonight with looking back of the more nine or ten hours or really 11 from 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., and cnn with brooke baldwin starts right now. anderson, thank you so much. i 'm brooke baldwin sitting in for my friend don lemon. the house hearing from benghazi that started this morning fin finally wrapping up in washington, d.c. and 11 hours of questions and answers. and if you were expecting fireworks from hillary clinton's appearance, you were probably not disappointed. we have a lot the go through after all of these hours. dana bash is going to join us withwe

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