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eastern here. fareed zakaria special report "long road to hell, america in iraq" that's 9:00 pacific here on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be back tomorrow. in the meantime let's go to washington. "the lead" starts now. thanks, brooke. donald trump says he knows what it means to struggle. "the lead" starts right now. he's just a kid who started out with almost nothing, except for that million-dollar loan from dad. donald trump sharing his riches to even more riches story you have this morning and taking shots at the man he's now trailing in iowa, dr. ben carson. a real life spy thriller, according to a new report a christian charity delivering humanitarian supplies deep inside north korea was actually a spy ring run out of the pentagon. and the bibles they carried were just part of the plan. plus, pick your poison. you got your morning bacon, your ballpark hot dog, salami on your
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hogie. the heartbreaking report that these processed meats could be as much of a cancer risk as smoking. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. our politics lead. three polls all of them finding that dronald trump is losing in at least one key state. breaking this afternoon a monmouth university poll out of iowa showing dr. ben carson on top trumping trump by 14 points. two other polls already showed trump trailing. that has the businessman taking aim at carson on issues such as immigration, on his energy level, even raising questions about carson's faith. cnn political reporter sara murray is here. sara, my interview with trump that aired yesterday he went at carson full boor. did he keep it up today? >> we are starting to see how trump reacts when he's under there and he's not holding back on carson or really any of his republican rivals. with less than 100 days until
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the iowa caucuses, the jostling in the gop ranks is taking on a sharper edge. >> carson is lower energy than bush. i don't get it. >> reporter: a new monmouth university poll gives dr. ben carson a double-digit lead in iowa, drawing 32% support compared to 18% for donald trump. >> i'm just going to have to work a little bit harder in iowa. i was very surprised to see the numbers. you know, i had a lead and it sort of flip-flopped a little bit with ben carson. and i like ben, but he cannot do with trade like i do with trade. he can't do with a lot of things like i do. >> reporter: carson, the newly minted iowa front-runner revealing his rougher edges saying when he was a teenager -- >> i would go after people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats and hammers. and of course many people know the story when i was 14 and i tried to stab someone. you know, fortunately, you know, my life has been changed and i'm a very different person now. >> reporter: but it's the softer carson that's winning over
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evangelicals. now trump is taking aim at carson's religion. >> i'm presbyterian. boy, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist i don't know about. i just don't know about. >> reporter: meanwhile, jeb bush who just cut payroll costs by 40% across the board -- >> blah, blah, blah, blah. you know what they're saying out there. that's my answer. blah, blah, blah. watch it. >> reporter: no longer able to hide his frustration with the state of the race. >> i got a lot of really cool things that i could do other than sit around being miserable listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> reporter: today, bush is rallying donors at a texas retreat as he tries to reassure them the race will soon break his way. but trump continues to hammer him, mocking bush for turning to his family members for help. >> so he's meeting now with mom
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and dad. no, it's true. he needs counsel. and he was very angry over the week. he said, you know, if this is going to be this nasty, let them have trump as their president. it's going to be nasty. hey, putin is a nastier guy than me. >> reporter: as the billionaire businessman downplays how his own family helped him get ahead. >> it has not been easy for me. i started off in brooklyn. my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars, i came into manhattan and i had to pay him back and i had to pay him back with interest. >> reporter: now, the bush donor who is were at this retreat tell me they still think his moment will come and his numbers will start moving up, but the shift in dynamics in this race mean a number of candidates including bush are going to be looking for a breakout moment on that debate stage on wednesday. jake. >> all right, sara, thanks so much. on the democratic side senator bernie sanders is brushing back hillary clinton accusing the national democratic front runner
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of not only being on the wrong side of history but trying to rewrite history. let's bring in cnn senior political correspondent brianna keilar. brianna, sanders is walking something of a tight rope going after clinton on issues, but she's taking it to a different level. she's been insinuating that he's sexist. >> that's right. so hillary clinton on friday in an interview with msnbc's rachel maddow basically revised history on the defensive marriage act signed into law in 1996. she said it was or there was some evidence that it would help to stop a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. well, bernie sanders called her on this. there are gay marriage advocates backing him up, but clinton sharpen red her elbows too. something sanders said in the first democratic debate was sexist and surprise, surprise sanders popped up today on a popular daytime womens tv show. bernie sanders making a play for the womens vote on "the view"
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today. >> if you are a mom and you have a baby, you have the right to stay home with paid family and medical leave for at least three months. >> reporter: after a busy weekend on the campaign trail. >> i've never been the warmup act for katy perry before. >> reporter: at a campaign rally in iowa, hillary clinton got a little help from her husband and pop star katy perry trying to inject a little excitement into her campaign. >> it's time to wake up, america. we can do better. >> reporter: democratic candidates made the rounds at the state party's annual jefferson jackson dinner this weekend. bernie sanders sharpening his differences with clinton on trade, the iraq war and her support for the anti-same-sex marriage law signed by her husband. >> i will not abandon any segment of american society latino, poor or working class. - just because it is politically expedient at a given time. >> reporter: clinton unveiled a
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new line of attack on this comment sanders made during the democratic debate while talking guns. >> but all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. >> reporter: her response in iowa. >> i've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. well, i haven't been shouting, but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it's shouting. >> reporter: sanders reacted yesterday on cnn's "state of the union". >> i am very proud of my record on womens issues. i certainly do not have a problem with women speaking out. and i think what the secretary is doing there is taking words and misapplying them. >> reporter: and clinton tried to revive her initial campaign slogan that she's a fighter with a new ad as she positions herself as a fighter who can win. >> i'm going to do everything i can to make sure every woman in every job gets paid the same as
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the men who are doing that job. >> reporter: hillary clinton this week is going on a two-day swing to new hampshire where she's trying to shore up certainly the support there in a state where bernie sanders is challenging her. and then she heads south. she's going to atlanta. she's going to south carolina, jake, where she will be courting the african-american vote. it's so important in south carolina. and it's really key to this fire wall against bernie sanders that her campaign is setting up. >> last polls in south carolina she's dominating. >> definitely. >> -- the african-american vote. >> yes. he is doing poorly compared to her but she is making sure she definitely hangs onto that lead. >> brianna keilar, thanks so much. let's talk about this with cnn political commentator and editor with the weekly standard bill crystal. thanks so both of you for being here. let's talk about this incineration from secretary clinton that bernie sanders when he says stop -- we need to stop the shouting about gun violence that he is talking about her and
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that he can't handle women speaking it sounds like shouting. he'd obviously laughed it off in the interview i did with him yesterday. he didn't really want to engage it, but it's a pretty strong insinuation. when i've talked to women about it, they react positively to her message on this. >> well, as a woman, i think we've all felt that way in one shape, way or another. whether it's in the boardroom or the campaign strategy room. when you speak sometimes it's being taken as you're too aggressive or too strong. and it doesn't look well on a woman. and that's just crazy. >> first of all, you don't have to yell. no, but in all honestly do you think when he said we need to stop the shouting do you think he was talking about her, though? >> in all honesty i think he was referring to the entire stage. everyone was speaking over each other. i give him the benefit of the doubt absolutely. but i think hillary hit a nerve with women on that because i think we've all experienced it.
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>> this is a real gender gap because i have to say my reaction is he wasn't talking about her, why is she accusing him of being sexist? and every woman i talk to reacts the same way patti does. why are you offended about this one thing as opposed to the one fact we can't go anywhere without being accused of shouting. >> yeah, well, there's a lot of sexism in the democratic party. it's terrible, barack obama, joe biden, chief of staff, i sympathize. they've never had a woman on the ticket -- oh, i guess 30 years ago. so i sympathize with hillary clinton. i'm deeply moved by her angst. no, she invented something there. there was a cute point. she's playing identity politics. that's what the democratic party is all about. >> if you think this is identity politics, bill, you ain't seen nothing yet. wait if she gets the nomination. >> i agree. i think it's unfortunate because we could have a good debate this year, and on the republican side we're having an extremely dignified serious debate on the
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issue confronting issues the country has to deal with. >> i want to ask you a quick question on this sanders-clinton debate about the defense of marriage act. who's right about that? was hillary clinton accurate when she said -- because i'm sure you recall this. >> i do. >> was that signed by democrats, by bill clinton as a way of fending off a constitutional amendment? or was this more of a way of giving in on an issue where the public was against same-sex at the time. >> the latter obviously. there was no chance a constitutional amendment was going to pass congress or three-quarters of the states. >> so why say it? why would secretary clinton say that as opposed to do what her husband did was say i was wrong and now i have a different view? >> i don't think it's fair to judge her on what her husband did 20 years ago. i think she's for same-sex marriage today. i think she has evolved on the issue as many politicians have, as many american people have. so i just think this is a nonissue for her at this point. >> you heard donald trump bring up ben carson's faith, seventh
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day adventist, he said he's presbyterian -- >> presbyterian, i think. >> down the middle. >> that's down the middle. >> when he was asked about this why are you raising this, he goes i'm not questioning. i said i don't know about it. i don't know anything about it. what is he doing there? >> i think some ill-informed adviser of donaldtrump said, hey, the seventh day adventist are an odd sect and put off when they discover ben carson worships at a seventh day adventist church. i don't think they're going to be put off. the seventh day adventist been part of billy graham crusades and so forth. i think it says something about trump which we've seen already, he really is understaprincipled. i mean, ben carson is a man of faith. and he's not raised that issue against others really. i mean -- >> well -- >> yeah. >> he brought up muslims.
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>> which he was criticized for and semiapologized for. well, whatever. >> i want to ask you about one quick question about jeb bush because obviously there's a big huddle. there was this devastating quote in "the washington post" over the weekend where a bush fundraiser told "the washington post" it feels very much like a death spiral and breaks my heart. i don't know anyone who wants to reinvest now. i wouldn't be shocked in 60 days from now if he wasn't in the race. that's from a bush fundraiser. >> yeah. every front runner goes through this near death experience. hillary went through it this summer as you certainly went through it in '07 and '08, right? she didn't survive in '07 and '08. seems like she survived and thrived from it this time around this summer. and so now the test is here for bush. can he survive this? can he turn it around? i don't know if he can. he seems to stumble quite a bit. and trump has really thrown him for a loop. he doesn't know how to deal with it. >> quick thoughts? >> no runners gone down to single digits in the polls and survived. i do think wednesday night's debate is very important.
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people always say this debate is really decisive. i think for jeb bush he needs to show spark and fire and dominate to some degree wednesday night's deba debate. what is the case for jeb bush -- >> bill kristol, patti, thank you both. donald trump says the world would be better off if dictators saddam hussein and moammar gadhafi were still in power. you can tell that to my next guest who was one of the soldiers who took down osama bin laden. that story next. can a business have a mind?
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. look at this incredibly dramatic video. a rare glimpse inside the delta force raid last week freeing hostages from the grasp of isis. [ gunfire ]
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>> you can hear the crackle of gunfire of course as hostages, some barefoot, are rushed to safety. this is the raid when american soldier master sergeant joshua wheeler was killed, the first u.s. combat death in the fight against isis. it's illustrating to many the meaninglessness of the pledge to not have american boots on the ground fighting isis when the u.s. is in the thick of the fight in other ways including special forces operations. on "state of the union" yesterday donald trump told me isis only is what it is because the u.s. toppled saddam hussein's regime. take a listen. >> look at libya. look at iraq. iraq used to be no terrorists. he would kill the terrorists immediately. now it's the harvard of terrorism. iraq. if you look at iraq from years ago, i'm not saying he was a nice guy. he was a horrible guy, but it was a lot better than it is right now. right now iraq is a training ground for terrorists. right now libya nobody even knows libya. frankly there is no iraq and no
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libya. it's all broken up. they have no control. nobody knows what's going on. >> the world would be better off with saddam hussein? >> 100%. >> and gadhafi in power? >> 100%. >> what about human rights abuse sns. >> you don't think they're happening now? they're worse now than they ever were. people getting their heads chopped off. right now they're far worse than they were ever under saddam hussein or gadhafi. look what happened. libya's a catastrophe. look at our ambassador as an example, okay. libya's a disaster. iraq is a disaster. syria's a disaster. the whole middle east. and it all blew up around hillary clinton and around -- >> republican congressman steve russell served in iraq. he's retired lieutenant colonel part of the team that tracked down saddam hussein. congressman, i know you feel very strongly about this. donald trump, is he wrong? >> he's wrong. regardless of what people think about the iraq war, human rights advocates worldwide believed that the one silver lining that came out of the war was the
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demise of saddam hussein. >> so the world would not be better off in your view. >> absolutely. 350,000 kurds and arab shias murdered. >> by saddam hussein. >> by saddam specifically. entire villages gassed. he attacked every neighboring country except syria. the marsh arabs went from a population of 250,000 down to 30,000. he killed 20,000 of his own sunni arab political opponents, murdered his own son-in-law. i mean, are we kidding? this just demonstrates a complete lack of the facts and a complete lack of understanding of foreign policy. >> with all due respect, you are alone in expressing outrage about this among republican -- i mean as opposed to republican presidential candidates. they're not out there criticizing donald trump on this. and he is your front runner. >> well, i approach it as a soldier who happened to be involved with his demise. and it is absolutely absurd to think that the world would be a
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better place. he ranks as one of the worst dictators of the 20th century in terms of human loss. he also had joseph stalin as his model. are we to say, gosh, musolini at least he let the trains run on time. what an absurd notion. >> there is this school of thought, really the devil you know is better than the one you don't and the u.s. would be better off with strong men in the middle east. vice president cheney was very upset when president obama in cheney's view turned his back on mubarak for the same reason. >> you saw el sisi and the egyptian army, which we've had a very good relationship with, they stepped up and made sure that the constitution of egypt was upheld. >> it's not a perfect metaphor, i agree. >> but nevertheless what we see with iraq had we had the political will, let's not forget the men and women in uniform with great sacrifice and great
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bloodshed did turn the place around. and america abandoned its commitment to iraq which also contributed some of that. >> trump has suggested that watching the chaos unfold in syria and allowing russia to meddle there so long as they also kill isis terrorists in the process that that might be the best course of action for the u.s. what do you think? >> there's a lot of missed opportunity with syria. one, we shouldn't be surprised that the russians have an interest in syria. it shouldn't have taken us a year and a half to figure out they have a naval base at tartus and they have a mixed marriage russian-syrian population much similar to we've been based around the world we get very integrated with communities. so russia has an interest there. there's a lot of misreading of the entire syrian situation. >> i want you to take a listen to former british prime minister tony blair who apologized for the false intelligence that prompted the iraq invasion. take a listen. >> i can say that i apologize
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for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong because even though he had used chemical weapons extensively against his own people, against others, the program in the form that we thought it was did not exist in the way that we thought. but i find it hard to apologize for removing saddam, i think even from today in 2015 it is better that he's not there than that he is there. >> do you think president bush needs to apologize? >> absolutely not. nor does anyone that faces down evil and fights tyranny. look, the minute the united states begins to say we're not going to call for the removal of absolute tyrants and barbarians, we're talking half a million dead, one million ancillary hundreds of thousands of kurds that were forced into asylum and fleeing the country. all you have to do is look at saddam's track record. the minute that the united states loses that good will to
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take objective, looks and says it's better that tyrants remain in power and kill by the half-million, we've lost our way. >> congressman, thank you so much for coming in. we really appreciate it. this programming note, can we return to the chaos left behind in the middle east? can there be another american war in iraq? cnn will take a look at these tough questions as only cnn can. tonight, a special report long road to hell, america in iraq. that's at 9:00 p.m. eastern. just minutes ago she stood before a judge accused of intentionally plowing her car into a crowd killing four people and now this woman's lawyer is suggesting that she is mentally ill and there have been warning signs for years. plus, a faith-based charity that's reportedly a covert spy operation in many ways meant to infiltrate north korea and even the employees of the charity did not know. that story ahead. you tuck here... you tuck there. if you're a toe tucker... because of toenail fungus, ask your doctor now about prescription kerydin. used daily, kerydin drops may kill the fungus at the site of infection
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welcome back to "the lead." today's national lead, bond is now set at $1 million for a woman accused of intentionally plowing her car into a crowd killing four people. a mental health evaluation could offer some answers into how this homecoming horror story happened this past saturday in stillwater, oklahoma. cell phone video shows the car careened through a line of oklahoma state university fans lined up for a parade. those killed include marvin stone and his wife bonnie, nakita and nash lucas. today, the driver appeared in court on murder charges. her lawyer insists alcohol was not a factor and that there have been warning signs about her mental state. cnn's nick valencia joins us
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live outside the courthouse. nick, what have you learned in court today? >> reporter: jake, she said very little during her first appearance since being accused of using her car to mow down people at that parade on saturday morning here in stillwater, oklahoma. she just said yes when asked if she could hear what the court was saying. bond set at $1 million. judge also permitting a motion filed by her defense attorney for her to get a psychological evaluation to be determined at a later date. she's also accused of driving under the influence, a charge that her attorney adamantly denies. he says there's absolutely no way she was drunk or on drugs while she's accused of crashing her car into this very packed crowd. we did learn a little bit more about her mental health history though. an issue according to her attorney that played a big role in what happened here on saturday. according to her attorney she spent several years ago spent some time in a mental health facility. he believes that was more of a role in what happened saturday than her being under the influence or impaired in any way. >> nick, you spoke with her
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boyfriend. what did he have to say? >> reporter: i did. i was asking him about his girlfriend. i asked if this is the girl that he knew, he described her as a christian, somebody who doesn't take drugs or alcohol. he was quick to point out he also is sober, doesn't take drugs or alcohol and says this is completely out of her character and not the person he knows. we also heard from her father that says -- or her daughter i should say somebody that is an upstanding citizen, a soft spoken person who would give anyone a big hug if they saw her. that's not the person described by her attorney. he described her as withdrawn today, somebody that was making very limited eye contact. of course we weren't able to see her. she appeared by tv monitor. and it seems that monitor was deliberately turned away from the courtroom gallery, but described by her attorney as being withdrawn and lacking any sort of emotion, jake. >> nick, thank you so much. it could be the plot of any spy novel, smuggling espionage equipment with the help of bibles and ski jackets.
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welcome back to "the lead." our buried lead now. a shocking new report alleges that for the most part of the last decade a multimillion dollar pentagon plan for spying on north korea consistented of essentially secretly hijacking american charity groups there using unwitting volunteers to gather information on the ground. it sounds like a tv spy series, but according to the intercept it's the real plot uncovered by a months-long investigation. the pentagon using a christian nonprofit called humanitarian international services group and its president as a cover for espionage. sources told the intercept that the group which has since closed
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allegedly ship contraband bibles and then the pentagon arrainged for the group to smuggle in radio beacons and other spying equipment. government funding enabled the charity to grow and with it the pentagon's knowledge presumably of kim jong-un's super secret regime. the intercepts matthew coal who broke this story joins me along with bob behr who is quoted in the story. first of all, does quoting this story put anyone at risk? >> we don't think so, jake. first of all, the program ended about three years ago. so whatever assets they had put into place have at least gone stale. secondly, we went to the pentagon about two weeks before we published today to give them an opportunity to let us know whether there was anything that was harmful or dangerous. and they had no comment. so i think the real question is whether or not programs like these that use ngos, people who do legitimate humanitarian work are really whether it's a good
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policy for the u.s. government to use them as cover for espionage because of the risks that do come if it ever gets out. >> let's talk about that. what more can you tell us about these shipments into north korea? you reported that the president of the group never told these volunteers what was going on. within the company knew.s to who we know it's possible there were a few other executives that knew but as far as we can tell and from our sources most of the workers of hsig had no idea. they acted as a cutout and pentagon would task them to get things into north korea and would use the network that they had of other missionaries, other aid workers who could get into north korea at some regularity to move things unwitting of the fact that they were doing it for the pentagon. and in some cases moving equipment without knowing what it was that they might have been moving. >> bob, as a former cia operative, doesn't this raise red flags to you?
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i mean, this really theoretically could put innocent humanitarian workers at real peril. >> absolutely, jake. i mean, you have to look at abbottabad we were trying to collect dna. and, you know, vaccination programs completely went under there. and pakistanis turned on them. and this puts at risk all christian missionary groups across the world working in hostile areas. they're going to be called spies. they're going to be looking at this north korea thing, yeah, puts them at risk absolutely. >> matthew, this program was secret with very little oversight throughout both the bush and obama administrations. why was it able to continue as long as it did? >> well, first of all, the nature of the way it was classified meant it was very limited in terms of who outside of the people in the pentagon knew. we know it was briefed to the appropriations and the armed services committee. we know it was probably briefed to the intel committees, but in those briefings it's only the chair and ranking members. no staff is allowed in.
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they're not allowed to take notes. the rest is held by the white house. and so the question is, you know, the indication that we got of how it was briefed as well was that they had an ngo had access into what they called a denied area and that was something they needed. they were very blind in north korea. it wasn't out of nowhere that they came up with the idea to try to get in. they were desperate. i don't think there was any real mention of the religious association of both the organization that was being used and then the unwitting people in north korea who were being used further down the line. >> bob, u.s. clergy and journalists and peace corps volunteers are protected from missions like this. there's a ban on operatives portraying themselves as those groups, but charitable groups are still fair game for spying? >> exactly. executive order 12333 you continue get clergy, can't do peace corps, absolutely right. but ngos are fair game. but i think, jake, these real
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thing is these operations never work. i've been involved in these going back to the '70s and they just don't work. collecting what we call trash and ash. and at the end of the day if you don't really have controlled assets in north korea, they're not going to work. so i think we put these missionaries at risk for no possible gain. and i think cole's story is very good in saying how desperate we are to get intelligence in north korea. we just don't have in. this story tells us a lot of things about where we stand with that country. >> and, bob, it seems like it would be terrifying the idea of how many programs out there like this might exist. and there's just this very minimal if any oversight as matt describes in his piece. >> absolutely. what's the failures of the committees on the hill. i mean, they don't really look at these things. they come in and get cursory briefings. they don't really understand them. and the people on the hill don't understand intelligence. don't understand these things
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don't work. and this is why we're talking about it in the press. because american intelligence has failed us repeatedly in operations like this. and we as americans need to know about this. especially when we're putting other americans at risk and they're not witting. >> matthew cole broke this story, thank you so much for talking to us. >> thank you. >> bob, thanks so much for joining. appreciate it. screams of joy, he's alive. after fishermen found this toddler floating in the ocean. miraculous rescue next. plus, experts warning that bacon can kill you. is any amount safe to eat? when it comes to helping you reach your financial goals,t taking small, manageable steps can be an effective... and enjoyable approach... compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing! sfx: pants ripping how you doing eddie? almost there. small steps. at axa, we'll help you take the next steps, with more confidence.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the world lead now, dramatic video highlights the often deadly voyage thousands of syrian refugees are making trying to escape their war torn homeland. the video shows the rescue of an 18-month-old boy, a fisherman passing by spotted the toddler and others in the cold water strapped into life jackets. turkish media reports they were initially in a refugee boat that capsized. keep in mind please as you watch the video that this boy does survive. he does survive.
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[ speaking in a foreign language ] >> the man cleared the water from the boy's lungs, wrapped him in a blanket and we can now report he is with his mother in turkey. and according to her he has recovered. he is of course one of the lucky ones. more than 3,000 other refugees have drowned or disappeared trying to escape to europe according to the international organization for migration. also in the world lead today, a weekend sightseeing trip is now a desperate recovery search. one person missing after a tour boat capsized off of canada's west coast. five others were killed when the whale watching boat sank yesterday afternoon off the coast of british columbia's vancouver island. and with no storms in the area it is unclear what made that boat take on water. cnn's stephanie elam just arrived not far from the search
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scene. stephanie, what do we know about the underwater search operation? >> reporter: well, we know, jake, that they've been looking for this missing person day and night. we understand that there have been five people that lost their lives. four of them being male. and their ages ranging from 18 to 76. now, there's one person out there and they continue to search day and night in these waters trying to find that individual who is still out there. and when you take a look at how scary it was, there's some amateur video that we have that we can show you of this ship actually sinking. according to some locals here it may be a case of just the weather not being rough as far as the storm but the waves being rough. and that may have been enough to toss this boat and toss everyone into the water here. so they continue to search, but it's not like it's right here off the doc where we are here. it's about eight nautical miles into the water here off the coast here on the western side here of this island which is
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vancouver island off the coast of the mainland of british columbia, jake. >> stephanie, the same boating company was involved in another deadly accident. what are you learning about that case? >> reporter: right. that was in 1998. and there were four people on the boat. the operator of the boat and three tourists, they went out to see marine life. and the way it has been explained is that there was a swell, a large swell that came up and tossed the boat into the water so quickly that there wasn't chance to get a mayday signal out. after that happened two of the people died including the operator. and two were rescued. at that point -- at this point though there's no reason to compare the two incidents other than to say there's been a tragic accident that has happened more than once with this same company, jake. >> all right. stephanie elam, thank you so much. also in world headlines, a sense of panic in afghanistan after a powerful 7.5 earthquake today. dead with hundreds more hurt.ed- the quake rattled northeastern
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afghanistan early this morning. people could feel it hundreds of miles away in the neighboring countries of pakistan, india . d 12 girls died in stampede being crushed while trying to evacuate their school. poor infrastructure is making the search for survivors difficult. tremors have been shaking the region all day. the epicenter is located in a rural area in the middle of the mountains where not a lot of people live. the united nations is putting relief teams on standby ready to respond to requests. wolf blitzer is now here with a preview of "the situation room." wolf, russia continuing to interject their warplanes into the syrian conflict and you're going to have general wesley clark onto talk. >> the former nato supreme commander also representative adam smith, he's the ranking dmktd on the house armed services committee. you saw him last week also on the benghazi committee. very forceful, very tough on a lot of these issues. here's what's happening right now. russia's obviously deeply involved in syria. the u.s. now last week secretary of state kerry met with the russians, met with the turks,
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met with the saudis. but now apparently there's an effort under way to get another country involved in these talks to try to resolve what's going on in syria namely iran. iran has a lot of influence in syria as well. the question is is the u.s. now going to bring iran into these negotiations to deal with the future of syria? iran a major supporter of bashar al assad like the russians are. and will the saudis for example who have their own animosity with the iranians go along with this? this is a very, very delicate issue right now. very sensitive issue. will iran be involved. we'll talk about this with wesley clark, adam smith and do some of our own reporting on what's going on. it's a big deal though. >> former president jimmy carter had a rather arch op-ed in the "new york times" today saying that they wanted -- they had a proposal to try to bring peace to the region, but the obama administration would not bend on demanding assad step down. looking forward to the segment. coming up, experts say hot dogs, bacon, red meat processed might pose as big a cancer risk
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welcome back to "the lead." our national lead now, bacon it goes with everything. whether wrapped,in fused, sprinkled on top or served straight up, americans pig out on the meat more and more. but now those buzz kills that the world health organization have released a new warning bacon, hot dogs and sausages they say can cause cancer. the public health group is putting processed meat in the same category as smoking and asbestos based on how certain they are about the link with cancer. i want to bring in cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen to break this down for us. elizabeth, explain this new warning. >> jake, the world health
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organization has been very plain and very clear about this that these meats are carcinogens. let's take a look at the numbers. what they say is that if you eat a hot dog a day or some other similar size portion of processed meat, you are increasing your risk of colon cancer by 18%. now, that's not nearly as much as say smoking would, but still it's 18%. and they say when you look worldwide processed meat is responsible for 34,000 cancer deaths worldwide per year. now, when it comes to regular meat like let's say a steak, they say that's probably a carcinogen. they say there's limited evidence. they're not as sure as they are with processed meat, but probably a carcinogen. >> i assume the meat industry is not too pleased with this announcement. >> they are not too pleased at all. they put out a very strongly worded statement. i'm going to read you a part of it. they say, cancer is a complex disease. no single food has ever been proven to cause or cure cancer. the available scientific evidence simply does not support
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a causal relationship between red aor processed meat and any type of cancer. >> obviously people are not going to stop eating bacon or hot dogs or processed meats. is there an amount that's safe to eat? >> there really isn't an amount. the world health organization didn't set a safe amount. they just said, hey, member countries see if you want to make some guidelines for your citizens. so what we can do is think about risk. if you want to take that risk, if you want to increase your risk of colon cancer by 18% by having a hot dog a day, that's your choice. you can do that. i want to say, jake, i was talking once to some doctors at harvard who've been doing this exact kind of research. and they said when they looked at the evidence they decided not to eat processed meats hardly at all. one doctor said i might go to a ball game with my kids once a year in the summer, then i'll have a hot dog. but he said other than that i just avoid it. >> yikes. elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. be sure to follow me on facebook and twitte
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twitter @jaketapper. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. please don't have any bacon or sausage this evening -- i'm just joking. turn you over now to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, in the fight stunning new video commandos battling isis on the ground in iraq as the pentagon hints at more ground combat. and as u.s. releases more images of an air strike against isis, does the iraqi government want russia to join in the bombing? death charges, russia's accused of constructing links carrying internet traffic and financial transactions. russia says it's not true. meantime, breaking tonight, halfway around the world the u.s. is about to challenge china the high seas. i'll speak with the former nato supreme allied commander general wesley clark. death and destruction, a huge 7.5 magnitude earthquake kills