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watching. >> did they say -- >> "cnn all right, thank you, anderson. everyone in washington, d.c. this is "cnn tonight." welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. gop 1, cnbc 0. was the network the loser in tonight's big debate? here to talk about it, dana bash, gloria borjer and dylan byars. hello to all of you. dana bash, i've been watching you, you've been listening to all the spin. you're in the spin room and t k talking to many of the candidates. what are they saying to you? >> well, it depends on who it is. i think probably the most interesting conversation i had tonight was with jeb bush. he had a series of moments with
marco rubio that, you know, was kind of the time for jeb bush to shine and maybe knock marco rubio out of his lane, so to speak and it didn't seem to happen. jeb bush went after marco rubio pretty forcefully on the idea of him missing votes. and rubio turned it around pretty artfully. and that was certainly the sort of buzz on the internet and so forth. so when i asked jeb bush about that, i also asked in the context of what one of our friends anna novarro was saying on cnn, even she as a staunch bush supporter and a good friend of his was a little bleak tonight. listen to our conversation. >> what do you say to people not just anna but others who support you and love you an want you to be president, but are -- maybe not frustrated but are concerned you're not getting over the hump for the campaign part of it.
>> anna, hang in there, girl. it's a long haul, baby. we have a few debates to go. i'm outcampaigning everybody. i'm working hard, we're raising the resources. we have the best ground games in these early states and president cain, president clinton, when she got beaten by barack obama, giuliani and a whole list of people who were leading in october a year before the primaries. and we've i'm confident to in where we are. >> now, the other issue with jeb bush, john, has been all along that he certainly has a record to talk about. what he says is a conservative record in florida that despite his name he is an outsider. he's never worked in washington. but the problem has been that even his supporters say this, that his inability to really communicate that on a national level via television, which is kind of how you have to do it when you're running for the presidency. and his answer was, i'm not
running to be a performer. i'm running to be president. i think that was very telling. i told him i thought he seemed quite frustrated but he says no, he's just going to kind of keep on keeping on. i think that was certainly one of the moments that i think maybe we'll all be looking back on in the debate as a turning point perhaps for not just jeb bush but marco rubio. >> he said he's running to be president, not the entertainer in chief. i was actually surprised that he hey girled anna navorro. you also caught up with donald trump in the spin room. what did he have to say? >> there was a lot of talk about this debate, uh you know, republicans not being happy with it. jeb bush is a good example, that he didn't get as many questions as he had hoped, particularly substantive questions. because he was prepared to talk about fiscal issues, tax policy. that's what cnbc advertised the debate to be about.
but trump was kind of okay with the way things went. listen to what he said. >> how are you going to get back on top in iowa. . >> all right, that's cnn dana bash. the there she is, did you get him, dana? >> you know, i didn't. you're kind of putting me on the spot. >> that's okay. >> the answer is -- the answer is no. the answer is that he -- his boss' comments are going to speak for themselves tonight. i know we played them earlier and i'm sure you'll play them later this evening. one thing i want to say about donald trump, the questionwe just played there was about iowa and the fact that he's got to
get back on top. but i think that the reason why he said that he was so happy with the debate is because the name of the game for him and also for ben carson was to get out of this unscathed. and the fact is that he wasn't the center of attention. he wasn't a central theme of this debate like he has been in the past two and that's a good thing if you're donald trump trying to stay above it all right now. ? >> when he says his boss, he means his boss was critical of the debate. >> his boss is the republican -- exactly, the rnc chair, exactly. >> the questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the american
people don't trust the media. >> if anything comes out of this whole thing with some of the nasty questions. >> you just named a litany and i'm not going to list them oall. >> the democrats have the ultimate soup super pac. >> i'm wearing a trump tie tonight. get over that one. >> you don't want to hear the answer, zblon. >> you used your time on something else. senator paul -- >> you're not interested in an answer. >> you people write this stuff. >> you wrote a story on ate and you had to go back and check it? >> no, i did not. >> john, do you want me to answer or do you want to answer? even in new jersey what you're doing is called rude. >>.
[ booing ] >> see, they know. >> that is absolutely not true. you know that that is not right. >> all right, so dylan, this is a common conservative tactic, but that was just the tip of the iceberg. >> yeah, that was the tip of the iceberg. right, so attacking the media is a tried and true conservative tactic. it's red meat for the conservative base but look, this took it to a whole new level. cnbc and the mainstream media generally just got to hand it to itself. we vntd seen anything like this, this cycle. it's certainly called to mind some of the more robust media attacks of the 2012 cycle, but look, there's a cardinal rule about moderating a political debate. you do not make the story about you. and coming out of this debate, what everyone is talking about, at least from where i'm sitting, even more than how rubio or bush or trump or carter did, it's how badly cnbc did.
i think that's the unanimous view of journalists and political strategists and certainly of the republican national committee. and i don't know if dan even needs to track down john spicer because his boss rance preibus lambasted c cnbc for their performance. >> we've got that. let's listen to it. >> i'm proud of our candidates for standing up to a pretty hostile environment. i was very disappointed in the moderators. i'm disappointed in cnbc. i thought maybe they was bring forward a pretty fair forum here tonight, but i think it was one gotcha question, one personal low flow after another. it's almost as if they tried to take the worst element, i think, of what moderators and what the media should bring to the table and all i can tell you is that while i'm proud of our candidates for pretty much
sticking together, i'm very disappointed in the moderators and i'm very disappointed with cnbc. >> gror yeah borger, have you ever seen the rnc react like that after a debate? >> no, but if i was reic reice preibus i would be okay with all of this. the debate had the effect of uniting all the republicans against the media, which is something that works really, really well with the base. that's one of the reasons why donald trump didn't come out and blast the debate, even though he called some of the questions nasty during the debate. he didn't have to. it was already -- all the other candidates were doing it. rei in fce priebus was doing it. he was smart enough to know once it was over, he dependent need to carry the lead on that because other people were doing it. and soo if you're a republican and you're looking for who you
want to vote for in the primary, it gaye all of these candidates an opportunity to have a mutual enemy. and i think it worked for all the candidates, in particular, i think it worked for ted cruz. it started with marco rubio, who took on the media. and then cruz carried the torch and the others followed and i think it gave cruz a terrific debate tonight. >> david, let's talk about the people up there on the stage more specifically, aside from bashing the media as a whole and cnbc in particular, who stood out to you. was it ted cruz? marco rubio, chris christie? >> all three of the guys you just mentioned had very good nights. the standout is marco rubio. i don't think we can sort of overstate how important this night was for marco rubio. i think it could be a potential dynamic shift in the race in that establishment wing where it's really been a battle
between jeb bush and marco rubio. delivering a body blow to him at a very precarious time in his campaign. and rubio comes out shining. you could just see the establishment that's been worried about jeb bush just starting to gravitate towards rubio. >> do you think this is going to be the new tactic, take on the media? it started with dobd trump. it started to work where he said people are taking him out of context. he started going after the media and then ben carson started to do it. do you think that's gong to be the tactic? tonight, everyone at the debate, the entire campaign started with donald trump. do you think that's going to be the go-to tactic? >> i don't think there's any question. look, americans' trust in the media is reaching all-time lows. certainly conservative swrus on the media are not positive. it's something we'll see more of, but again, it has a shelf
strong. i have mark tannehill as my quarterback. he was 18-19 last week. so i'm doing great. but we're not gambling. and i think this has become something that need to be looked at in terms of regulation. effectively, it's day trading without any regulation at all. >> we were talking about -- >> let me say this. we have a government involved in fantasy football? wait a second, we have $19 trillion in debt. we have people out of work, we have isis and al qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? >> how about this? how about we get the government to do what we're supposed to be doing. secure our border, protect our people and support american values and american families. enough on fantasy football. let people play, who cares. >> it seems like christie saw this coming and he was like here's my opportunity.
it was a fun moment for jeb bush. >> first of all, it was a light moment for jeb bush and that was good for him. i thought it was a great moment for chris christie who said kidding me, right? we have serious problems. and again as a republican who doesn't want to jor regulate, why do we need to do that? it was a way for him to distinguish himself from jeb bush. the problem that chris christie has, and it's kind of puzzling is that he has had some great sort of moments in these deba debates. he just doesn't get enough time and he can't build on it once he's off the debate stage. i think it's very frustrating for his cam pane. it's very frustrating for chris christie because he can sort of shine at times like this, which i would argue he did tonight. but the problem is building on it in a state like new hampshire where he's got an awful lot of competition. >> all right, stay with me everyone.
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jeb supporter. how do you think he did? >> good evening, good morning. i think tonight in this debate, the governor did an effective job at presenting ideas. i think what we need to notice as we go through this campaign is governor bush has been very thoughtful, very deliberative about putting real ideas in the mark place, change the fra jektry of what we see nationally. and when you have 11 people on the stage, sometimes it's very difficult to get that message out in an effective way. he's going to continue doing that on a day to day basis on the campaign trail. >> a lot of people thought he needed to take on donald trump tonight, but instead he took on marco rubio. listen to this. >> i'm a constituent of the senator and i helped him and i expected he would do constituent service which means he shows up to work. he got endorsed by the sun sentinel because he was the most talented guy in the field. ehe's a gifted politician. but marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year
term and you should be showing up to work. literally, what sit like a french work week, you're given three days where you have to show up? you can campaign or resign and let someone else take the zwrob. >> the only reason you're doing it now is we're running for the same position and someone convinced you attacking me is going to help you. my campaign is going to be about the future of america. it's not going to be about attacking anyone else on this stage. i will continue to have tremendous admiration and respect for governor bush. i'm not running against governor bush, i'm not running against anyone on the stage. i'm running for president. there's no way we can elect hillary clinton. >> there was a presentation where marco rubio was called the gop obama. then you have this sort of interaction tonight. is marco rubio a bigger threat to jeb's chances than trump or carson?
>> i don't think the campaign looks at it that way. we have to understand the ideas matter and getting the ideas passed matters. when you look at that stage and the record of each of the vinls on that stage, jeb bush, more so than anybody on the stage has governed more conservatively than anybody else and has got things done. this country today, we have way too many issues being decided in washington, d.c. part of the reason'm working with president bush is he needs to understand there needs to be a structural reset and how we do business in this country is consistent with the constitutional frame work. when you look at banking, dodd-frank literally has transformed how we access capital, how we borrow money to buy homes and access credit lines for business. when you look at the health care context, the affordable care act has changed how he affect access. the only thing standing in the way of the renaissance across this country government in
washington, d.c. the government understands that, understands that we need to reset t how we do business, the uh poer of the states. it's consistent with both federal law and the constitution. and he's speaking to it in a very thoughtful way. >> let's get back to what happened on stage and at the debate tonight. his performance. dana bash caught up with him in the spin room and asked him about his frustration. take a look. >> you see him quite frustrated. >> not frustrated. i wish i had got to answer questions on things that are on the minds of people, you know, entitlement challenges, the debt. i got fantasy sfoobl. >> he said originally that he wanted to campaign with joy in his heart, but with all respect to the candidates, he doesn't seem like he is feeling that way these days. he does seem frustrated. >> i think if you see the governor on the campaign trail, the interaction that he has with
voters in the town hall settings, the informal dialogue with those voter, the unscripted moments that that presents, he's speaking from the heart. he's speaking from conviction. he's speaking from the ideas that he has on how to transform this country and how to set the trajectory in a different way. that's who he really is. what's really disappointed when you watch these debates. and tonight was particularly acute. i was in the audience. there was booing that took place as we went to break with respect to the inquiz tor yal type of attitude that the moderators represented. it's almost like it's political entertainment. we have very serious issues as a country we need to deal with. we need to make sure we have serious ideas on how we fix a multitude of things. and the governor is doing that rather consistently. i think this type of format at times doesn't feed that because of the political entertainment that drives it.
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fireworks at the third republican presidential debate. who stood out and who didn't. let's talk with the former democratic governor of michigan who is a support or hillary clinton. we saw him in the background earlier when dana bash who was doing her report from the floor. kevin do you first. the fist question tonight was what is your weakness? who was weak tonight, that's my first question to you. >> i think jeb bush clearly needed a breakout performance tonight to reverse the traje trajectory he's been on for the last two weeks and i don't think he got that. the rubio folks right now, when you talk to them, they feel very strongly that that moment worked in marco rubio's favor and it didn't work for jeb bush. so i think he tended not to have a great night. i think there were a lot of folks, too.
look at the two front-runners. they didn't really have any breakout moments either. they didn't command or really drive the tone and tem bow in this debate the way they have in past debates. for them, i don't think it hurt them, but they clearly didn't have the great moment of past debates. of. >> the democrats have the ultimate super pac. it's called the mainstream media. last week, hillary clinton went before a committee. she admitted, she sent e-mails to her families saying hey, this attack in benghazi was caused by
benghazi-like elements. she spent over a week telling families of the victims that it was because of a video. yet the mainstream media was saying it was when she got exposed as a liar. it was the week she got exposed -- but she has her super pac helping her out, the american mainstream media. >> hillary clinton, definitely the other person up on the stage tonight. governor, what's your response? >> they attacked her clearly. she was mentioned 16 or 18 times. but here's what was interesting to me. they attacked hillary clinton, they attacked the moderators, they attacked the mainstream media. they were fighting, fighting fighting, but i don't feel like the american people were fought for. they talked about cutting the benefits for social security and medicare and medicaid. they talked about the tax cuts, but that's cutting the estate taxes or the investment income
tax which, of course, is the capital gains tax, benefitting the wealthy. i feel like the average joe didn't feel they were being fought for and i think that's a problem for them. >> this is what hillary clinton tweeted at the end of the debate tonight. the picture of her at the end of the benghazi hearing last week. just sort of making a face and brushing off her shoulder. >> there's no doubt that people felt she did a good is because she sat there for 11 hours and came out looking presidential and came out looking strong and looking like she could take this battle on, she could take the battle on on behalf of everyday citizens. >> what did you make of that tweet?
>> i didn't see the tweet. but hillary clinton still has a problem with the trust issue with many voters. but she also has this problem with relatability. folks don't really relate to her. she hasn't driven a car in 25 years. i don't think she really understands the problems of people in everyday america. and i think one of the things that the candidates did very well, particularly marco rubio, hukabee and john kasich. they spoke to a lot of voter anxieties about the economy. they spoke to their vision about how they want to take the economy in a different direction that's different from the last eight years that we've seen under president obama and how they wouldn't have basically a third term with hillary clinton in office. so that was one of the biggest that worked in the favor for republicans tonight. >> all right. thank you very much and also governor grant holmess. ken carson is rising in the
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i'm the only person in either campaign that's self-funding. i'm the only one that's cut the size of government. i'm the one on the stage and frankly both stages that has actually gone to washington. >> i'm the only guy on the stage -- everyone has an only guy, i'm the only guy this, the only guy that. i'm the only guy that has consistently fought the clinton machine. >> i'm the only guy that's going to be moderating this next panel. they tried to distinguish themselves from each other. at this debate tonight. i want to bring in the author of "i should be dead -- my life surviving politic, tv and addiction." ryan liza, washington correspondent for the new yorker. van jones, former obama administration official and karla bernstein author of "a woman in charge -- the life of hillary rodham clinton." and that's all the time we have
for this particular panel. i just want to go around the horn here to see who you guys think won this debate. >> i think rubio won, cnbc lost and i'm the only guy that went fishing for eight hours and didn't catch a fish. >> bob? >> i think bob beckle is right, which is just stunning me for a second. rubio did win, had the best overall performance. i think the best moment went to ted cruz when he went after the media, turned the whole momentum of the discussion around. >> it sounds like you've been in a smoky room. >> amanda, what about you? >> i'm going to say the tea party won this debate because everyone is now talking about a cruz versus rubio matchup in the primary, two candidates who were brought to the senate with tea party support. >> van jones? >> yeah, you know, i've been saying rubio is going to break out. i think he did it tonight. but i have to say ted cruz was rightingly good tonight. it wasn't just that one moment
where he had a breakout. i think he was strong overall. ted cruz is coming on now. >> i'm the only one that's going to tell you who lost because i agree with everyone on rubio winning. so i thought that rand paul and mike huckabee were basically nonentities at the debite. and everyone is talking about whether jeb is on a death watch. you have to wonder if either one of those has a case for moving on. >> and last, but certainly not least, mr. bernstein. >> i think it was a bad, bad night for jeb bush. i think it was a bad night for trump and for carson. they didn't deliver the way they were expected to. more than anything, msnbc -- i'm sorry, cnbc was really reprehensible, but we got a real look at the republican party for the first time. and their anti-government message is really picking up steam. and the democrats got to pay attention to it. they're right about the
mainstream media. we in the mean stream media need to read the right wing press more. i look at it. it's a very different universe than we talk about. and there's a lot of people out there that adhere to it. >> we know ben carson is leading in iowa right now, but did he prove a grasp on the complexities of issues like the economy? >> absolutely not. he had a prime time opportunity when he was asked about his economic flan and he was very vague on the specifics saying well, it might be 10% or 15%, somewhere in there. it was a really bad exchange for cnbc as well. becky quick said i've done the math on it, it doesn't work. she didn't really back it up. ben carson says i know it does work. it was a failure on both ends, but it will have a longer term impact for ben carson. this gets into the larger narrative about him, he's very intelligent when it. co-s to medicine but that doesn't translate into politics. >> donald trump was asked about
guns. let's listen. >> would you feel more comfortable if your employees brought guns to work? >> yes, i might feel more comfortable. i have a permit which is very unusual in new york, a permit to carry. and i do carry on occasion. sometimes a lot. but i like to be unpredictable so that people don't know exactly. by the way, unlike our country where we're totally predictable and the enemy, whether it's isis or anybody else, they know exactly what we're doing because we have the wrong leadership. >> that was one of the more interesting exchanges for me and how he pivoted to terror and foreign policy. >> was he his most predictable self? or do you think he deserves to be the front runner? >> he used that line about having a concealed carry permit and having that being unyao
usual in new york. i know a lot of people into guns and i never heard them say i carry a lot. i didn't know exactly what that meant. the nor you watch him, the more you realize he's a typical politician in the sense that he does have a few set piece lines that he resurge tates again and again. you heard me say this on your show many times, donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. and the only thing, you know, this story of how donald trump ends up not being the republican nominee hasn't been written out, but i think we got a little closer to seeing how it might happen with ted cruz, who had a very strong performance tonight. ted cruz has been like drafting. you sit behind the front-runner and you come out ahead around a curve. that's what he's been doing with donald trump. and he's sort of poised to pick up that trump support when trump
inevitably collapses. and i think he started to see the contours of what a lot of people have been talking about. marco rubio perhaps taking over the jeb establishment plane. you start to see glimmers of that coming to be. >> you don't think donald trump is going to be the republican. but dengs you mentioned marco rubio, he said that he won. so let's take a look. >> senator rubio, you yourself have said you've had issues. you have a lack of bookkeeping still skils. you intermingled campaign money with personal money. just last year you liquid dated a $68,000 retirement fund. that cost you thousands of dollars in taxes and penalties. in terms of all of that, it raises the question of whether you have the maturity and the wisdom to lead this $17 trillion
economy. what do you say? >> you just listed a litany of discredited attacks from democrats and my personal opponents. i'm not going to waste 60 seconds detailing them all. here's truth. i didn't inherit money. my dad was a bartender and my mother was a maid. they worked hard to give us a better life. i had to borrow money to go to school. >> so again, you said that he won. he immediately pivoted, you know, to his personal story. was this a winning moment for you? >> absolutely was a winning moment for marco rubio. i think h eshowed that he was able to be both firm but also relatable and likable. that question, by the way, was preposterous. it was among the more preposterous and offensive candidates that any faced all night. and there were a whole bunch to choose from, by the way. >> why is that? when he comes to dealing with finances? >> he liquid dated a retirement account that cost him a few thousand dollars? that's the kind of thing a lot of people do when they're making financial decisions for a
household. this is normal stuff we're talking about. it' not like he's running up huge gambing debts in vegas and leaving his family destitute. people have seen the super fancy speedboat he bought. until they saw the photo and they said yeah, that's a nice fishing boat. it gave him an opportunity to talk about his personal story, which is very compelling. he's not riding on anybody's coat tails. he's not part of a political dynasty. he's an individual who threw his skill, which we all realize is considerable in politics, rhetorical skills are exceptional, really only matched by ted cruz on that stage. his skills are what -- that brought him to this point. he's completely self-made. his story is really the american story. it's inspiring. and i think that's what we saw. i think that will resonate with people. i hope he gets something in a bump 234 the polls, just sort of as a reward for doing so well. but i don't know. ben carson and trump didn't do a great job. but i think their numbers are going to hang pretty close to where they were. >> i'm going to try to get all the candidates in here. i want to talk about governor
mike hukabee now, asked about donald trump. here it is. >> governor huckabee, you've written about the valhuge dividn values across the country. the leading republican candidate, when you look at the average of national polls right now is donald trump. when you look at him, do you see someone with the moral authority to unite the country? >> you know, there's a few questions i got, the last one i need is to give him more time. i love donald trump. he's a good man. i'm wearing a trump tie tonight. get over that one. is it made in mexico? i don't know. >> is it made in china or mexico. i have no idea. >> that's such a nasty question. but thank you, governor. >> let me tell you, donald trump
would be a better president every day of the week and twice on sunday rather than hillary. i spent a lifetime in politics fighting the clinton machine. you want to talk about what we're going to be up against next year. >> what do you think? >> i think it was certainly humorous exchange, but i don't think it meant anything. look, donald trump and ben carson it's ground hog day. the closer you get to voting the more people are going to want them to be able to at least explain their position. but this is a donor debate tonight. i've been around presidential politics and donors start to get nervous right now. jeb bush's donors are nervous. they don't come out here tonight feeling very good about it. and the bush rubio thing, whoever emerges from florida between the two of them, whoever wins that state is going to go on and on to super tuesday. the other one is going to be out. he may not be out officially, but they're going to be out because they cannot afford to have two people from one state, that big a state running on
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...keep you warm inside. marie callender's. >> back now with my super panel. john kasich tried to make the case for experience in moderation. here it is. >> you have to pick somebody who has experience, somebody that has the know-how, the discipline. this is a man who was a managing general partner at lehman brother whence it went down the tubes and almost tookern with us, including ben and myself. i was there and watched what happened. lehman brothers started it all. he was on the board and he was a managing general partner. and just thirdly. he was so nice, he was such a nice guy. he said oh, i'm never going to attack. but then his poll numbers tanked. that's why he's on the end and he got nasty. he got nasty.
>> was that enough to get voters to look at him as a moderate alternative? >> a, i don't think so. it's so sad. first of all, he's the only person on the stage who spoke remotely intelligently and compassionately about immigration, just by the way. it turns out that you've got a big voting bloc out there republicans need to repair some damage with. he's the only one even trying. i think he winds up being somebody who they look at as possibly a vp once they finish fighting this thing out. but he really has -- he does not have a constituency in his party. and let's not forget, he is very, very conservative. as much as i love this, how this guy winds up being called a moderate, when you look at his ror, it just shows how far the republican party has gone over the edge into the right wing crazy stuff. but unfortunately a guy as accomplished as him has no place
in the party, except possibly a vp to repair some damage by this party with latinos and others. i've heard also, too, as well that carly fiorina, this is. otentially a vice presidential run for her. she needed to prove tonight that early surge wasn't just a fluke. how do you think she did? >> i think she did well because she embraced the same issues in almost the same ways as bernie sanders did. she sounded off a warning about the wealthy, the connected, the banks, controlling america. her answer is it's leading us to socialism. but at the same time, something profound is happening when the republican party and several of its candidates, like fiorina, like cruz embrace a truly radical notion about we are
burdened by plutocracy in this country. it's a problem for hillary clinton. and if one of the people is a republican nominee, it could be very difficult with this message that they're fomeanting right now. >> chris christie wasn't taking any smack from anybody. you talked about the environment and a number of things. did he prove himself even in his -- i don't want to see anger, but with his stern demeanor? >> he's got a schtick in the debate where is he does this outrage thing. he sort of gets up there and says why are we talking about this? the real issue is, whatever is on chris christie's mind. and tonight, it was about -- what was it about? gamble snlging. >> fantasy football. >> it's pretty good.
i think he will get another look. he's got a little more of a moderate record in nm nj than where the republican electorate is right now, but we're pretty far away from the voting. i still think that with a few exceptions, the number of these candidates are going to go through a cycle or two of interest. and he's probably due at some point before the voting starts. >> i have to take a break. we're going to have more right after this break. thank you. the cold truth is...