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tv   At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan  CNN  October 29, 2015 8:00am-9:01am PDT

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>> my dear colleagues of the 114th congress of the united states, today, as every day, we come to this floor, strength and inspired by the support of our colleagues, the trust of our constituents and the love of our families. my special thanks to my husband paul, our five children, nine grandchildren and entire pelosi families for their support. my deep gratitude to the people of san francisco for the continued honor they give me to represent them here. and my heartfelt thanks to my democratic colleagues for extending to me the honor of being nominated to be speaker of house. thank you, my colleagues. [ applause ] today we bid farewell to a speaker who has served his constituents and this congress with honor for 25 years. speaker john boehner.
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[ applause ] in his story we are reminded of the enduring exceptional promise of america. this hard-working son of an ohio bartender and owner, who grew up to be the speaker of the house of representatives. john boehner talked about the american dream. john boehner, you are the personification of the american dream. as you all know, speaker boehner was a formidable spokesman for
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the republican agenda. my republican colleagues, i'm sure you know, and i can attest to the fact that he was always true and loyal to the members of his caucus in any negotiations we ever had. although we had our differences, and often, i always respected his dedication to this house and his commitment to his values. thank you, john, for your leadership and courage as speaker. your graciousness as speaker extended and was reflected in your staff under the leadership of mike summers, whom we all respect. thank you to john boehner's staff. and i know i speak for everyone here, democrats and republicans, when i thank you for making the
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visit of his holiness pope francis such a beautiful and meaningful experience for all of us. [ applause ] today we extend our thanks and congratulations to debbie, your daughters lindsey and tricia and the entire boehner family, now including grandson alister. let's hear it for the family of john boehner. [ applause ] on behalf of house democrats and personally, i wish you and your family all of god's blessings in the glorious years ahead. last month, we witnessed
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something truly special when pope francis made history addressing a joint session of congress. standing right here, pope francis called on us to seek hope, peace and dialogue for all people. and reminded us of our duty to find a way forward for everyone. a good political leader, his holiness said, is one who with the interest of all in mind, seizes the moment in a spirit of openness and pragmatism. with the interest in mind of all. pope francis echoed the principle of our founders, that placed at the heart of our democracy the saying, from any one. the founders could never have imagined how vast our country would become, how diverse and many we would be, as gender
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identities, beliefs and priorities, but they knew we had to be one. every day in this house, and across the country, we pledge allegiance to one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [ applause ] >> this is the beauty of america, that for all of our honest differences, perspectives and priorities, aired and argued so passionately on this floor, we are committed to being one nation. despite our differences, in fact, respecting them, i look forward to a clear debate in this marketplace of ideas, the people's house of representatives. and so, my fellow colleagues, we have a responsibility to act upon our shared faith and the greatness of our country. we have a responsibility to be worthy of the sacrifices of our
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troops, our veterans and our military families. we have responsibility to make real the promise of the american dream for all. there is important work before the congress. we must do more to promote growth, decrease the deficit, create good-paying jobs and increase the paychecks of america's working families. today, in this house, page is turned. a new chapter has begun. today the gavel passes to a proud son of wisconsin. the first speaker from wisconsin. paul ryan has had the full breadth of experience on capitol hill from young staffer to tortilla coast waiter. should i say that again? tortilla coast waiter, to congressman, to being a sincere and proud advocate for his point of view as chairman of the budget committee, as a respected
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leader and chairman of the ways and means committee, and in a minute, he will be the speaker of the house of representatives. [ applause ] on behalf -- mr. speaker, on behalf of house democrats, i extend the hand of friendship to you. congratulations to you, paul, to janna, your children, liza, charlie, sam. your mother is here. how proud she must be. the entire ryan family, whom we all know means so much to you. mr. speaker, god bless you and your family, and god bless the united states of america. [ applause ] >> thank you. [ applause ]
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>> this is the speaker's house. this is the speaker's -- this is the people's house. this is the people's gavel. in the people's name, it is my privilege to hand this gavel to the speaker of the house, congressman and honorable paul ryan. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you, nancy. appreciate it. [ applause ]
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>> thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you, madame leader. before i begin, i would like to thank all of my family and friends who flew in from wisconsin and from all over for being here today. in the gallery i have my mom, betty, my sister janet, my brothers stan and tobin, and more cousins than i can count on a few hands. [ applause ]
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most important, i want to recognize my wife janna and our children, liza, charlie and sam. [ applause ] >> i also want to thank speaker boehner. for almost five years he led this house. for nearly 25 years he served it. not many people can match his accomplishments. the offices he held, the laws he passed. but what really sets john apart is he's a man of character, a
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true class act. he is without a question the gentleman from ohio. so, please join me in saying one last time, thank you, speaker boehner. [ applause ] now i know how he felt. it's not until you hold this gavel, stand in this spot, look out and see all 435 members of this house, as if all america is
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sitting right in front of you. it's not till then that you feel it. the weight of responsibility, the gravity of the moment. you know, as i stand here, i can't help but think of something harry truman once said. the day after franklin roosevelt died, truman became president and he told a group of reporters, if you ever pray, pray for me now. when they told me yesterday what had happened, i felt like the moon, the stars and all the planets had fallen on me. we should all feel that way. a lot is on our shoulders. so, if you ever pray, let's pray for each other. republicans, for democrats, and democrats for republicans. [ applause ]
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and i don't mean pray for a conversion. pray for a deeper understanding because when you're up here, you see it so clearly. wherever you come from, whatever you believe, we are all in the same boat. i never thought i'd be speaker. but early in my life, i wanted to serve this house. i thought this place was exhilarating, because here you can make a difference. if you had a good idea, if you worked hard, you could make it happen. you could improve people's lives. to me, the house of representatives represents what's best of america. the boundless opportunity to do
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go good. but let's be frank. the house is broken. we're not solving problems. we're adding to them. and i am not interested in laying blame. we are not settling scores. we are wiping the slate clean. [ applause ] neither the members nor the people are satisfied with how things are going. we need to make some changes. starting with how the house does business. we need to let every member contribute. not once they've earned their stripes, but now. i come at this job as a two-time
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committee chair. the committees should retake the lead in drafting all major legislation. [ applause ] if you know the issue, you should write the bill. let's open up the process. let people participate. and they might change their mind. a neglected minority will gum up the works. a respected minority will work in good faith. instead of trying to stop the majority, they might fry to become the majority. in other words, we need to return to regular order. [ applause ]
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now, i know this sounds like process. it's actually a matter of principle. we are the body closest to the people. every two years we face the voters and sometimes face the music. but we do not echo the people. we represent the people. we are supposed to study up and do the homework that they cannot do. so, when we do not follow regular order, when we rush to pass bills that a lot of us don't understand, we are not doing our job. only a fully functioning house can truly represent the people. and if there were ever a time for us to step up, this would be that time. america does not feel strong anymore because the working people of america do not feel strong anymore.
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i'm talking about the people who mind the store and grow the food and walk the beat and pay the taxes and raise the family. they do not sit in this house. they do not have fancy titles. but they are the people who make this country work and this house should work for them. [ applause ] here's the problem. they're working hard, they're paying a lot, they're trying to do right by their families, and they're going nowhere fast. they never get a raise. they never get a break. the bills keep piling up and the taxes and the debt. they're working harder than ever before to get ahead. and yet they're falling further behind. they feel robbed.
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they feel cheated by their birthright, of their birthright. they're not asking for any favors. they just want a fair chance. and they are losing faith that they will ever get it. then they look at washington, and all they see is chaos. what a relief to them it would be if we finally got our acts together. what a weight off of their shoulders. how reassuring it would be if we actually fixed the tax code, put patients in charge of their health care, grew our economy, strengthened our military, lifted people out of poverty and paid down our debt. [ applause ]
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at this point nothing could be more inspiring than a job well done. nothing could stir the heart more than real, concrete results. the cynics will scoff. they'll say it's not possible. you better believe we're going to try. we will not duck the tough issues. we will take them head on. we are going to do all we can do so that working people get their strength back and people not working get their lives back. no more favors for the few. opportunity for all. that is our motto. [ applause ]
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you know, i often -- i often talk about a need for a vision. i'm not sure i ever really said what i meant. we saw problems here, yes. we create a lot of them, too. but at bottom, we vindicate a way of life. we show by our work that free people can govern themselves. they can solve their own problems. they can make their own decisions. they can deliberate, collaborate and get the job done. we show that self-government is not only more efficient and more effective, it's more fulfilling. in fact, we show it as that struggle, that hard work, that very achievement itself that makes us free. that is what we do here. and we will not always agree. not all of us, not all of the time. but we should not hide our disagreements. we should embrace them.
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we have nothing to fear from honest differences, honestly stated. [ applause ] if you have ideas, let's hear them. i believe that a greater clarity between us can lead to greater charity among us. and there's every reason to have hope. when the first speaker took the gavel, he looked out at a room of 30 people, representing a nation of 3 million. today, as i look out at each and every one of you, we represent a nation of 300 million. so when i hear people say, america doesn't have it, we're done, we're spent, i don't believe it. i believe with every fiber of my being that we can renew the american idea.
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now, our task, our task is to make us all believe. my friends, you have done me a great honor. the people of this country, they have done all of us a great honor. now let's prove ourselves worthy of it. let's seize the moment. let's rise to the occasion. and when we are done, let us say that we left the people, all the people, more united, happy and free. thank you. [ applause ]
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i am now ready to take the oath of office. i ask that the dean of the house of representatives, the honorable john conyers jr. of michigan to perform the oath of office. >> if the gentleman from wisconsin would please raise his right hand. do you, sir, solemnly swear or affirm that you will support and
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defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter, so help you god? >> i do. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you. thank you. [ applause ] thank you. thank you. thank you. for what purpose does the
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gentleman from california, mr. mccarthy, seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i offer a privilege resolution and ask for its immediate resolution. >> the clerk will report the resolution. the clerk will first number the resolution. >> house resolution 503 resolved that the clerk be instructed to inform the president of the united states that the house of representatives has elected paul d. ryan, a representative from the state of wisconsin, speaker of the house of representatives. >> without objection the resolution is agreed to and the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. for what purpose does the gentleman from california, mr. mccarthy, seek recognition? >> well, mr. speaker, i offer a privilege resolution and ask for its immediate consideration. >> the clerk will report the resolution. >> house resolution 504,
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resolved, that a message be sent to the senate to inform that body that paul d. ryan, a representative from the state of wisconsin, has been elected speaker of the house of representatives. >> without objection, the resolution is agreed to and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. [ applause ] >> before the house of communication. >> the honorable the clerk house of representatives, madame, as a result of my elections today as speaker, this letter is to
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inform you that i resign as chairman of the committee on ways and means, and from further service on that committee. i also resign as chairman and a member of the joint committee on taxation. signed sincerely, paul d. ryan. >> without objection the resignation is accepted. the chair would take this occasion to note the speaker's announced policies with respect to particular aspects of the legislative placed in the record on january 6, 2015, will continue in effect for the remainder of the 114th congress. the chair announces that the speaker has delivered to the clerk a letter dated october 29, 2015, listing members in the order in which each shall act as speaker pro tem under clause 83-b. >> paul ryan of wisconsin is now the 54th speaker of the house, elected with 236 votes, 9
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republican votes against him. addressing the people's house. he said a lot is on our shoulders. let's pray for each other, he says, let's be frank, the house is broken but, he says, he's beginning by wiping the slate clean. >> you have to love the formalities of the house of representatives and how this all happened today. and it was a strange road getting to this point for paul ryan. let's discuss this. let's bring in senior political reporter manu raju, senior washington correspondent, jeff zeleny, and a.b. stoddard, editor for "the hill" newspaper. manu, let's start with you. i covered john boehner on the hill alongside you for a long time, and now seeing this handing over of the gavel, it's a very big moment, not just for paul ryan, but for the entire congress. >> reporter: it really is. it's a generational shift. of course, he's a 45-year-old congressman. he has served in congress for 19 years, but this will be a brand
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new approach for the leadership. he's saying this will be a new day for congress. what i was really struck by was the inside and outside messaging that he was really delivering. he was speaking to two audiences. one, those house republicans in the conference who have been concerned about the approach. what they believe has been a top-down approach from legislating, cutting deals behind the scenes, not including them more in the process. he said that's going to change. they're going to fire up the committee process, bring more people in. we're not going to see that anymore. then he was talking more about the messaging, lifting people out of poverty, fixing the tax code, having big ideas, reforming washington. so, ooet he's really speaking to the public at large and also members of congress, his own conference. particularly people who have been skeptical of his party leadership. i should caution, a lot of this stuff is much easier said than done. you guys know full well how difficult it is to legislate. sure, you can get legislation passed in the house but then it stalls in senate where you need 60 votes to do just about anything. that means bipartisan support.
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we'll really see how he's able to get stuff done. one thing that's been good for him, though, is the big budget deal is clearing congress as early as this week. it frees his hand to do a lot of things. he'll still have to address some of the spending issues in december. but for now, he's soaking up this moment. he's going to have a celebratory lunch with his family and also a big party at the library of congress tonight. and then the real hard work of legislating begins soon thereafter. >> jeff zeleny, big picture right now. what does this mean for the business of the people? paul ryan is -- this white house has acknowledged it can work with. does this mean there might be more agreement going forward? >> reporter: john, i think at this point in time it's hard to imagine much agreement going forward on any big issues because of the period of time we're in and this president's term. we're entering the final term of president obama's time in the white house. we're in the middle of a hard-fought presidential campaign. but what i'm struck by is how
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big paul ryan seems. he's an ideas man. he's been called the intellectual core of this republican party. in a presidential race that has often seemed small and bickering and back and forth, paul ryan, i think, elevates this republican party. certainly makes a new generation of leadership. and the republican party is ahead of the democratic party in terms of presenting a new cast of leaders here to take the country forward here. but i think any big deals, any big possibilities will probably come with the next president, whoever that may be. that's why this is so interesting that this is happening at this moment here. paul ryan, of course, is familiar to so many people because he was -- he was mitt romney's running mate in 2012. that gave him a bit of stature that few house speakers have here. so, i think the degree to which he can use that, and he can sort of guide this republican party, is something that we definitely have to watch here. but i think in his speech, he's very much a -- i'm trying to be
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a leader here but one thing he said i was struck by, i'm not interested in laying blame. we're here to settle scores. some people are interested in that. his first challenge is to lead this republican party into a new era. if anyone can do it, perhaps he can. it's definitely a big challenge. >> i wrote down that exact same line. he said after that, jeff, we are wiping the slate clean. as manu said, maybe a little easier said than done, but he has many challenges before him. a.b., two people i was thinking about during paul ryan's first speech as speaker. what is john boehner thinking? and then also seeing him sit there in the house gallery, what is kevin mccarthy thinking? >> well, let's start with john boehner. john boehner had paul ryan as a college student at miami university in ohio, interning on his congressional campaign. these two have known each other a long time. john boehner is enormously fond and protective of paul ryan.
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and you have to imagine in his clean out the barn kitchen sink bill that's under fire from conservatives this week, you know, he did it clearly to protect paul ryan, to give him a good start and a soft landing so he could be in a position as a new speaker, a reluctant speaker, to move on to bigger ideas, tax reform, entitlement reform and sort of a renewal of the house culture without being held to these cliffs, these emergencies, where conservatives seek leverage and then shutdown. i think kevin mccarty had a very strange episode. it seemed like a last-minute rush to the speakership, but he had actually been planning it a long time. people thought boehner would leave at the end of this cycle. so, kevin mccarthy was going to inherent that job. this is a total upheaval, but i think kevin mccarthy is probably happy to be leader, happy paul
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ryan is a very good friend, who he has enormous respect for, is in the job and there might be some stability in the house without, like i said, all these emergency legislative must-pass moments that create so much chaos. >> stand by. let's go back to manu raju because i believe he has with him the house majority leader right now, kevin mccarthy. >> reporter: yes, do i. i'm here with mr. mccarthy. thank you for joining us. you've been a friend with paul ryan for such a long time. he really spoke about the things that he wants to do, but you've been around congress for a long time. what do you think some of his biggest challenges are going to be going forward here as he tries to legislate? >> well, it's always to move the body but this is the unique position paul's in. this is a policy guy that has changed the direction of america when it comes to how we deal with the deficit and others, taxes. i think this puts him in a very key place that this house is going to become the power. this would start moving policy that's going to become law but it's going to be a thinking idea
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that every voice is heard. i'm excited about today. i think you're going to look back at this fundamental change, a generational and cultural change for the house. >> reporter: you know full well you can pass legislation here, but then it goes to the senate and sits there because they need 60 votes to two just about anything. what advice would you give paul ryan and how to deal with the folks on the senate? >> that's the difference with paul. paul is not just a member of congress. paul is who america knows, he's thoughtful. he looks for solutions. he doesn't just think, how do i move it out of committee? how do i transfer and change america at the same time. so, i think paul moving legislation is a little different. i think you'll be able to move and have the power within the senate and across the country. my best advice is get out to the country, talk about the ideas, win the idea before you win the vote. >> of course, a group of 30 or 40 members of that house freedom caucus who actually opposed you when you were thinking about running for speaker and were also one reason why john boehner has decided to draw -- decided to resign.
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how much of a threat is that group to speaker ryan now going forward? >> you know what, if you noticed, a lot of them voted for paul. paul is a uniter. and i think you're going to find his ideas will unite people and will unite this country. and i think he's the right man at the right time. and it's a good day today for america and for all america. >> one last question. do you regret not running for speaker? do you wish it was you right there right now? >> no. i never came here to be speaker. i will always put this country before myself. and i think the decision i made was the best decision, you saw today. we're much more united because of that. i'm proud of the decision i made. >> reporter: thank you, mr. mccarthy. appreciate it. back to you, guys. >> manu raju, jeff zeleny, a.b. stoddard, thanks. one more word about john boehner, the now gone speaker, nancy pelosi noted he was a man who served the country, served his district honorably for 25 years. nancy pelosi recognizes that had in this country it's important
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to honor the service of people. >> a man who served in that institution for 25 years. and a man that you can see, he often gets a -- made fun of a little bit for it, but a man with a tender, loving heart. you saw it on display today. he had one line i think really endures. real change takes time. yes, freedom makes things but patience makes things real.- a wonderful, parting message from the outgoing speaker, john boehner. coming up next, there was a debate last night. wow, was there drama there. we'll talk to winners, the losers, some of the big moments, some of the small moments and where jeb bush stands this morning. also ahead for us, plus there is -- there was one key target last night and it was probably the one that brought all the candidates together. their anger toward the moderators and the media. the rnc chairman even piling on, a former top rnc official is joining us next to discuss.
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a dramatic shakeup in the race for the white house this morning. with most everyone waiting to see in last night's debate, the front-runners, donald trump, ben carson facing off, there were two other breakout stars, the junior senator from florida and the junior senator from texas. >> if the headlines are any indication, there was kind of a clear not so winner. the key moment came about 20 minutes in when jeb bush jumped in to attack marco rubio for missing senate votes. so, let's talk about this. joining us now live from boulder, mike sheelz, former chief of staff for republican nancy committee, nan hayworth, co-chairman for carly for america, impacts heart is a donald trump supporter. mike, i want to start with you in boulder because it was in boulder where that moment
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occurred i'm talking about. where jeb went in to question marco rubio's record, voting attendance. i do not believe the exchange ended the way he hoped it would. let's listen. >> you can campaign or just resign and let someone else take the job. there are a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck in florida as well that are looking for a senator that will fight for them each and every day. >> do you know how many votes john mccain missed? i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. >> a lot of people see here, mike, is a candidate not achieving what he needed to achieve on the stage. jeb bush and, perhaps, marco rubio perhaps surging ahead. >> first of all, before we talk about the debate, i would be remiss to speak a little bit as someone who worked in the house republican infrastructure for
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the last ten years, what an honor it's been to work for john boehner. you talked about house protocol. it's not protocol to have the previous speaker walk off the floor the way john boehner did. that was a gesture he was making to his colleagues and to paul ryan to say, it's someone else's sterm and i'm leaving now. that's an amazing statement of what a leader john boehner was. sort of mixed emotions for all of us who know boehner and know paul ryan and are excited about having our party's best spokesman, who didn't run for the job, but was asked by his colleagues to serve in that position. hi to mention that, first of all, because it's a mixed emotion day for all of us that work around house republicans. in terms of the debate last night, a lot of people had off-nights. the two front-runners were low key and the two people that had off-nights, so maybe they're sort of glad they're talking about something else is the moderators from cnbc. they had a disastrous night. they were talking over each other, arguing with each on other, going after the candidates on the stage. it's really fortunate to see that because the rnc put
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together a really good debate structure. they didn't have the debate on msnbc. they purposely put it on cnbc. they put rick ssantaelli, the g father of the tea party who is talking to candidates about real tax policy, instead it devolved into this got-ya kind of debate. some candidates didn't have a good night. the talking points the next day is how horrible a night the cnbc had in hosting the debate. >> that's one thing that unified the folks on the stage. you heard mike say the two front-runners, they were low key last night. here's one moment a lot of people were talking about. back and forth between john kasich and donald trump. listen. >> this stuff is fantasy. just like getting rid of medicare and medicaid. >> you said yesterday -- >> come on. that's just not -- you don't scare senior citizens with that. it's not responsible. >> folks, we got to wake up. we cannot elect somebody that
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doesn't know how to do the job. you have to pick somebody who has experience, somebody that has the know-how, the discipline. >> this is the man that was a managing general partner at lehman brothers when it went down the tubes and almost took every one of us with him. he was so nice. he was such a nice guy. and he said, oh, i'm never going to attack. but then his poll numbers tanked. he's got -- that's why he's on the end. and he got nasty. and he got nasty. so, you know what, you can have him. >> today and after the debate, trump not being talked about as commanding the stage as we've seen him in the past. does that concern you? >> no. you know, we were talking about this before. i -- the evolution of this campaign has been trump came out very bombastic, very confrontational, which served the purpose to get him on the charts and it got him to the top. now we're seeing he's kind of reeling it back. he's becoming a little more mellow, a little more
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experienced with handling the media, handling -- you know, the speeches he gives are incredibly powerful. you know, whether or not he's the best debater out there, i think marco rubio is fantastic, but donald trump, i think, is a visionary, he's a negotiator. he is -- you know, he is getting things done. you know, he is more of a leader. you know, if you look at -- you know, if you want to look at nuance, you see kasich there who seemed really kind of rattled. donald trump was pretty laid back. so, i think that's kind of a shift. i don't think it's a bad thing. i just think we're seeing an evolution. >> you heard mike bring up the media and the moderators there. that ended up being the dominant theme on the stage with everyone on stage attacking everyone sitting just off stage asking the questions. ted cruz may have had his standout moment of the campaign when he did that. >> the questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the american people don't trust the media. [ applause ]
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this is not a cage match. and you look at the questions. donald trump, are you a comic book villain? ben carson, can you do math? john kasich, will i insult two people over here. rub rubio, why don't you resign? jeb bush, why have your numbers fallen? how about talking about the substantive issues people care about? >> that was the complaint right there. danny diaz, spoke more than anyone last night. not because she was asked the most questions, because she sort of seized -- >> she's assertive, she's authority tative. >> so are these people complaining about nothing? >> no, not at all. what the field pointed out, what carly took the most advantage of is that the questions were distinctly slanted towards trying to somehow embarrass
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these candidates and what our republican field showed is they were more than up to the challenge. substantive policies to talk about and real abilities. which is why i was so glad they talked about how she successfully wrangled bureaucracies as a leader. she knows how to account for budgeting. she knows how to do the things that everybody's been talking about for so many years and yet hasn't gotten done. and that was a key point that carly made last night. i think it was very well taken. she is actually someone who has done this, can do this and will do this as a leader. >> we'll see where the polls stand. again, there's ten days until the next one so not a lot of time to recover and prepare. great to see you all. thank you, all, so, so much. come up after a poorly reviewed debate performance, how bad are jeb bush's troubles today? a question for all underperforming candidates is when do you decide to bow out?
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breaking news. cnn has learned the united states intercepted two russian military planes that flew near the "uss ronald reagan" aircraft carrier in the pacific ocean. the u.s. navy says it launched four armed fighter jets but described this as standard operating procedure for just the escort planes flying near naval vessels. we'll have more on this coming up. back on this and what it means for today. after last night, the question a lot of people are ask right now, should any of these republican presidential candidates be calling it quits? >> this is the dilemma our next
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guest knows all too well. tim pawlenty ran for president, dropped out just after the ames straw poll. governor, thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> so the reviews, not kind to former governor jeb bush today. people thought he might have been lackluster, may not have seized the moment, perhaps wilted in his exchange with rubio. after the debate, our dana bash, he sort of complained about the debate, the questions he got, and he didn't seem at all happy. let's listen. >> -- for president of the united states. i'm running with heart. i'm not a performer. if they're looking for an entertainer in chief, i'm probably not the guy. they're looking for someone who has a proven record of results, 32 years in the business sector and 8 years in the most reform oriented conservative probably in the last 30 years in the country, i'm their guy. >> he says i'm not a performer. is that enough of an explanation there? isn't that the same thing as saying if only the voters saw how great i really am, i'd be
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doing better? >> well, in the modern day world of campaigning, you have to be from a party perspective pure enough to get the philosophical test passed so people support you in terms of your philosophy. you also have to be capable to do the job. jeb certainly can do those two things. let's face it, part of leadership is to inspire. in these media/news/political world, you have to be inspiring. he has to up his game. the debate last night and even before, the response has been that wasn't sufficiently inspiring, and that's part of leadership. >> take us behind the scenes. being in that crowded field, being on that stage. afterwards when you have these lackluster performances, and i'm not necessarily pointing the finger only at jeb bush, but some of the other underperforming candidates who are low in the polls. when does the conversation begin? what is that conversation like when you decide it's time to bow out? >> well, before the dawn of superpacs, and people running for reasons other than winning,
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you dropped out when you ran out of money. i dropped out of my race because i was going into debt and i didn't want to be in debt particularly as a conservative. i dropped out because we ran out of money. there's a bunch these candidates that are running such low everhead campaigns that with a minivan, a college, you know, a handful of college kids and some mcdonald's, you can keep your campaign alive for a long time if you have a small budget. it doesn't take much money to keep it going. with a superpac, they can keep you alive too. for those candidates, many of them, they probably know they're not going to win. they either like campaigning or have some other message or objective in mind. they don't want to seem to want to go away. one commentator referred to them as zombie candidates. >> in short, jeb bush has got money. can he turn it around in time? >> well, he's a meritorious candidate, but he's underperformed so far. he's not going to have to quit, obviously, he has the money to play out his hand, but he's going to have to up his game or the marketplace is going to move away from him. >> and doesn't have a lot of time. next debate, just ten days away.
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governor, good to see you. thank you. thank all so much for joining us "at this hour." >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. >> hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin this hour with the race for the white house. do you remember those establishment republicans who have been spinning their wheels for months now while relative political neophytes just burned up all of the polls? the neophytes are still there. the next round of polls is still a day or two away. but two or three candidates with actual political experience may just be getting second looks today. after their third presidential debate last night in boulder, colorado. here it is, boiled down to three minutes flat.

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