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with me here today. i will be here same time, same place tomorrow. i'm brooke baldwin. for now let's go to washington, d.c. and my colleague jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. thanks, brooke. will last night turn out to be the last debate for anyone on that stage? "the lead" starts right now. who nailed it? who face planted? the answers to both of those questions according to pundits say the guys from the state of florida, marco rubio riding high among the critics after a strong gop debate. could jeb bush be riding off into the sunset? on fire, terrifying video of a passenger jet spewing thick black smoke seconds before takeoff. the latest on the injured. just what went wrong. plus, guns blazing outside a bar. the exclusive first dramatic look at the surveillance vid of a bloody motorcycle gang
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shootout that left nine people dead and nearly 200 in jail. good afternoon everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. kicking off this thursday with our politics lead calling marco rubio's big night spiked the ball but the big questions can rubio turn what he's got into money into a top poll ranking into institutional support, into a real ground game in early states into an actual thriving and viable presidential campaign that is in gear even when he's not out there charming a cable tv news camera. right to cnn sunlen serfaty following the candidates in colorado. fascinating, all eyes on jeb bush and yet it was rubio who brought the jujitsu using the
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attack against him. >> that's right, jake. jeb bush really needed a big debate performance to breathe some life back into his campaign, so he attempted to take down marco rubio. it backfired on him and really turned the night into marco rubio's moment. tonig tonight. >> we can't afford to have another four years like the last eight years. >> reporter: his strong debate performance could be a breakout moment for his campaign. >> the democrats have the ultimate super pac called the mainstream media. >> reporter: but rubio trying to temper the hype. >> we feel good about it. the election wasn't decided last night. we'll have another debate in 14 days. that will replace some people's memory from that one. >> reporter: damage control after rubio had the debate their candidate needed. >> marco is obviously very talented debater. marco had some good zingers. in the debate over who do voters trust to do the job, marco's been in the senate for six years and hasn't done anything.
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>> reporter: other struggling candidates did what they could to break through. >> i want to tell you my great concern is that we are on the verge perhaps of picking someone who cannot do the job. >> we had $19 trillion in debt. we have people out of work. we have isis and al qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? >> reporter: despite being center stage the spotlight mostly avoid the the front runners. >> such a nice question, but thank you governor. >> you're welcome. >> both fading into the background at times providing an opening for another insurgent candidate, ted cruz, to stand out by taking on the moderators. >> how about talking about the substantive issues people care about. >> reporter: ben carson today also taking aim at cnbc. >> what it's turned into is a got ya. that's silly. >> reporter: and is trying to organize the other republican candidates to push for changes to their next big encounter in less than two weeks.
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>> debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what's behind them. >> reporter: so clearly ben carson today here in colorado really hoping to capitalize on this moment of all this unhappiness over the debate, maybe even show a little leadership also, but jake, he did refuse to say whether he would boycott the next debate or not if those changes are not made. >> sunlen in denver, dr. carson is officially the front runner he's within the margin of error. let's talk about the debate with armstrong williams. so dr. carson today calling for a debate format that does not include gotcha questions. what does that mean? >> well, you know, when you ask questions and told things about
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economics and then asked questions about gay marriage which has nothing to do with the economy, you have questions about fantasy football that has nothing to do with the economics of this country. you try to pit one candidate against the other. you know, those type of questions, jake. >> well, one of the big moments of course in the debate last night that dr. carson objected to had to do with questions about his relationship with a company that does supplements, nutritional supplements, was that a gotcha question? >> no. >> that was a fair question? >> absolutely. >> i want to get back to that in a second. i want to ask you more broadly, what did dr. carson want to do last night, and did he achieve it? >> well, dr. carson's the format doesn't necessarily play to his strength. so he's not going into the debate trying to be the winner and trying to dominate. that's not who he is. because he's not going to be disruptive to the rules. he's not going to ever overtalk the moderator and other hosts on the panel. >> it's not his nature --
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>> no, no. he abides by the rules. the rules says 30 seconds, he respects the rules. the rules say a minute, he respects them. he's not going to do what other candidates are willing to insert, ignore the rules and guidelines and becomes very disruptive. he will never do that. >> what do you think his appeal is beyond obviously his personal charm and life story? why do you think republican voters are responding to him so well? >> well, you may find this surprising, i think they feel that the media in some regards unfair to him no matter he's the front runner, he wasn't treated as a front runner last night at the debate. they tried to ignore him as much as they could because they wanted to highlight the other candidates to give them the momentum to try to close the gap between the two front runners and the rest of the candidates. people can see through that. and also dr. carson is given such a hard time for the gaffes that he's made. the media of his don't seem to care about the intent and he was well meaning. so people feel he's honest.
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they feel he's sincere. he's trustworthy. and they're willing to give him a pass because he doesn't have the oratory skills of a carly fiorina. he will never have that. it's impossible. he's a surgeon, he's soft spoken, people who know their pediatricians that's exactly what they want. and just because you're the loudest person in the room doesn't mean you're going to provide the best leadership. and the american people are willing to say, hey, you don't have to be the best on the debate stage, but when you're in my neighborhood, when you're in my church, when you're at my affair you connect with me. and they believe that he's sincere in what he says and they believe he can make a difference. >> donald trump obviously feeling the heat from the challenge from dr. carson. and even mentioned dr. carson's religion even saying seventh day adventist, i don't know what to make of that. what do you make of that? do you take trump on his word merely saying he doesn't know anything about it? what do you think? >> you know, we actually really respect and like mr. trump. we think he adds so much value to this debate in terms of
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issues that would not be discussed. i myself have criticized mr. trump when we thought he was being a bully. but mr. trump showed his best trump last night. we thought he was very respectful for dr. carson. he did not seem to show the insecurity and vulnerabilities of being -- of leading from behind. and so we were surprised. but it was very encouraging for the team carson. >> i want to settle this whole thing about manatec because it came up last night and i want some clarification. the question has to do with specifically this company that makes nutritional supplements. and it's a firm that is now under scrutiny by state and federal officials for allegedly lying about the efficacy of the benefits of the products. here's what dr. carson said when he was asked about it. >> that's easy to answer. i didn't have involvement with them. that is total proppropaganda. and this is what happens in our society. i did a couple speeches for
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them. i do speeches for other people. they were paid speeches. it is absolutely absurd to say that i have any kind of a relationship with them. do i take the product? yes. i think it's a good product. >> so here is a clip from a promotional video. >> it attracted me to the point that i actually began using some of those kind of products. i still use them to this very day. the wonderful thing about a company like manatec is they recognize that when god made us he gave us the right fuel. >> he said he wasn't paid for that but that certainly believes to be a relationship. >> all is not what it appears to be. what is good about this is that i actually negotiated the contract. >> okay. >> as his business manager. and dr. carson was asked to go
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to arizona. and there's an e-mail chain. and i may mess up some of the details. to be a part. they wanted to tape something for pbs. but they were not sure it was going to be nationally distributed until dr. carson actually did the event in arizona. the script they sent us that dr. carson was supposedly going to read from, when he actually got there to arizona he called and said i'm not going to say this. i'm not comfortable with this. i don't believe in this. and it created such disarray, i believe the man's name mr. taylor, he's not going to read the script, he doesn't want to disappoint the thousands of people, he's going to say what he wants to say and once he leaves this relationship is over. because part of the deal is when we were negotiating if it went well and pbs decided to continue this, there were three parts. so dr. carson was never involved in the details.
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something myself and our details involved in. carson realized details, not us, he said i'm not comfortable with this. >> it does seem to suggest there was some relationship at some point. >> obviously when the washington speakers bureau to go and give a speech, sometimes you may not always know the details because there are some things unnegotiated like the script. the script we received was quite different. he said i don't believe this. i'm not going to do it. that was showing his integrity. and when that was over he made it clear to me you need to get me out of this, i'm not going to do this again and it was over. >> armstrong williams, thank you so much for your time. thank you for helping clear that up. coming up, jeb bush in new hampshire today after what people say was a whiff on a shot at marco rubio laboring through another debate. he's insisting his campaign is doing fine. should he go all in, should he fold? more next.
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for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. staying with our politics lead, last night jeb bush came in dead last, at least if you're judging the candidates on how many minutes they spoke. many bush supporters pulled up to their tvs last night looking for proof of life. and based on what we're hearing today some of them didn't see it. cnn senior political correspondent brianna keilar is in portsmouth. bush's campaign manager was seen confronting a cnbc administrator pushing for jeb bush to get more time. >> reporter: that's right. that frustration you saw there, jake, we also saw a little bit of that from jeb bush on the campaign trail today. he said he wished there had been more substantive questions. i think we also saw a humbled
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jeb bush because he said to the crowd here in portsmouth, new hampshire, it was an acknowledgment that he didn't perform really well on the debate stage last night. even as you have republicans who long wanted jeb bush to be their nominee they're now doubting him. jeb bush says he can stay in this perhaps most importantly the heart to see this through. jeb bush is back on the trail today trying to connect with new hampshire voters. >> it's about fixing problems. it's about solving problems. it's about bringing people together rather than tearing them apart. it's not about the big personalities on the stage. it's not about performance. it's about leadership. and the leader today in this country needs to be a unifier. >> reporter: this after critics including many republicans are panning his third debate performance. >> i'm running with heart. i'm not a performer. if they're looking for an entertainer in chief, i'm probably not the guy. >> reporter: bush struggled to
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make a mark and gave marco rubio a huge opening. >> but marco, when you signed up this was a six-year term and you should be showing up to work. i mean, literally the senate is it like a french workweek? you get three days where you have to show up? you can campaign. or resign and let someone else take the job. >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone else has convinced you it's going to help you. >> reporter: a stunning exchange. >> the most principled centered leader i know marco rubio. >> reporter: but five years and a presidential campaign later. >> his record of attendance was low prior to his announcement of his campaign. and i just think that's wrong. >> reporter: bush, the once presumed front runner who's raised $25 million for his campaign and is backed by a super pac that's hauled in more than $100 million has had to cut payroll costs by 40%. and has dropped sharply in the polls. >> it's not on life support. we have the most money.
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we have the greatest organization. we're doing fine. >> reporter: now political observers are widely concluding that bush's presidential prospects are doomed even as he tries to project confidence he can make a comeback. >> there are two types of politicians. there are the talkers and there are the doers. i wish i could talk as well as some of the people on the stage. the big personalities on the stage. but i'm a doer. >> reporter: now, talking to republicans who back jeb bush they say this is why you can't write him off. he has campaign -- or he has money in reserves unlike any other campaign between his campaign and also between the super pac that's backing him they've raked in $800 million. but certainly i think there's an acknowledgment, jake, that money isn't really enough and ultimately he's going to have to have this breakthrough moment something that really pushes him ahead of the pack so even those supporting him say he needs to make that happen but don't count him out yet. >> brianna keilar, thanks so much. here now to break down the
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winners and losers of last night's republican debate, cnn political commentators amanda carpenter and ana navarro. jeb bush said about leadership, not debate performance. he said there are talkers and there are doers. let's be honest, communication is a big part of the job. rallying the country to your side, rallying congress to do what you want. it seems a little empty to dismiss debates as just performance. >> i agree with you. i think he needs to stop doing that. i think he needs to acknowledge that performance is part of the job description, embrace it and figure out how to tackle it. the jeb bush i know and i've known him for over 25 years was an incredibly strong and inspiring governor. that's the guy i want to show up on that debate stage. so this idea that, you know, performing that entertaining is somehow selling out on your principles and convictions and not being authentic is just false. it is part of the job description. particularly in 2015.
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you can't party like it's 1999. there's social media. there's blogs. there's vines. there's snapchat. there's all sorts of things which make debate performances that much more significant. and they're being watched. even that debate from hell last night, you know, badly moderated was watched by 14 million people, which is a huge number. >> yeah. at one point -- >> i'm not going to the moderation of it, but amanda, what do you think about the bush campaign at this point? you've worked for ted cruz in the past, do you think it's over for him? personally i think it's very premature, he's got a lot of money in the bank. he's still a very accomplished governor. >> at this point maybe it's because halloween is coming i feel like we're witnessing the walking jeb. look at what brianna said in the prepackage we were talking about where she says everyone acknowledges he has the most money, the most consultants, the most infrastructure, but somehow they are not translating all that manpower into a good candidate. and it may be because jeb i
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think he's getting bad advice. whoever told him to go on that stage and attack marco rubio, it was almost a prewritten plan you must do this. and he did it and executed so poorly. he had bad line. so at some point jeb needs to take control of his campaign and figure out what his message is and what he's going to be about. >> let me answer your question about whether i think jeb is in a death spiral and the answer is flat no. not only does he have the best team on the ground, not only is he rolling out policy, he also has the heart. he's one of the most fiercely competitive people i know. which is why it is incomprehensible to me that people ask me does he have the heart. how is it that this man who i know to be a fierce competitor to have his heart in this full fledge is something not communicating that. and they have got 12 days, jake, before the next debate. >> fox business. >> they have got to tackle it. and he's got to slay this dragon dead. >> amanda, ted cruz for whom you used to work, other pundits say
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he had a strong night as well especially his rant against the media. i guess the big question for ted cruz, can he turn this appeal to the republican base broader? what's his ticket to appealing to suburban moms? >> sure. >> how does he do that? >> i mean, look at the hostility towards washington right now goes across all party lines. there's nobody that has taken on the washington machine, they call it the washington cartel, as much in the last two years as senator ted cruz. i think he speaks to all people, republican, democrat, libertarian, progressive, whatever who are fed up with the way washington does business. but more than that aside from anger at washington there's a whole side to him as a person, as a dad as someone who's gone through adversity, a self-made man that people haven't had the chance to hear because he's been so embroiled this these policy battles. once he starts to, you know, unveil that side of him, people are going to be very surprised at the softer side of ted cruz.
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>> he needs to figure out how to speak to people like me. i've met him several times. frankly the only thing i like about him is that he smokes cuban cigars. but i see him as an obstructionist. i see him as somebody who's not gotten anything done in the senate other than promote his own persona as an obstructionist in the party. so if he is going to grow the tent he's got to figure out how to deal with folks like ana navarro who see him that way. >> one other question i know it's packed with liberals but the "new york times" editorial board calling on new jersey governor chris christie saying, quote, new jersey is in trouble and the governor is off programming a presidential on -- i know it's the "new york times" editorial board but do they have a point? >> i think a lot of candidates need to drop out. starting with every person in the undercard debate. we've gone through zempl people who can't break above 1% in the polling it's time to bid their candidacy adieu. >> really? in october?
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>> i give a lot of credit to retrospect to governors walker and perry who dropped out when they really could have stayed in the race for a lolt longer for the good of the party because they realize -- >> but walker and perry had something to lose. one had just finished being governor and the other one was a sitting governor. chris christie has something to lose because his numbers in new jersey are plummeting. some of the other guys in this under card debate all they need is a plane ticket and sweater vest to show up. >> don't knock sweater vests. thanks so much. >> i'm from miami. i don't own any. in our national lead, fire and smoke pouring out of a passenger plane seconds before takeoff. several injuries reported. why didn't the pilots know something was wrong? plus, bikers running and ducking, some pulling guns, returning fire during a shootout at a popular bar. that video coming up. if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic... this is humira.
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and i want them to be able to enjoy all the things that i was able to enjoy. together, we're building a better california. welcome back to "the lead." the national lead now, new information coming in about a terrifying scene in south florida. a passenger plane with 101 people on board catching fire moments before takeoff for venezuela. thick black smoke billowing from dynamic international airways flight 405. 15 people were hurt. one with serious burns. passengers had to evacuate the aircraft on emergency chutes. let's bring in cnn's pamela brown. pamela, you have the audiotape of your flight crew and the passengers realizing what's happening. >> let me tell you this is not something you want to see and you're on a plane and it's ready to take off. we're learning at this hour out of the 101 passengers on board 15 were taken to the hospital
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and at least one as jake pointed out had a serious burn injury. two had less serious injuries we're told and the rest were walking injuries. this all happened very fast. the fire broke out in the left engine just before the plane took off from ft. lauderdale, florida to caracas, venezuela. moments after pilots on another plane on the same runway alerted the dynamic airways flight that fuel was leaking from the eng e engine. smoke poured from the boeing 767 as we see in this video. frightened passengers scrambled to the emergency evacuation slides. and take a listen to the flight crew audio as the pilots realize what's happening. >> hey, dynamic, looks like it's leaking a lot of i don't know if it's fuel fluid leaking out of that left engine. do you copy? >> yes, sir. we copy. we'll probably need to go back. >> okay. contact ramp on 118.7 let them know you need to go back to the
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gate. >> okay. let them know -- >> engine's on fire! engine's on fire! >> the airport shut down for several hours. we have learned it is now reopened and at least one runway is being used at this stage. and right now, jake, officials are trying to figure out exactly what happened. you may recall a similar situation happened in las vegas last month when the left engine of a british airways flight caught fire. >> thank god that other pilot saw what was going on with the plane. can i ask you this? dynamic international airways? i've never heard of that. what is this? >> i haven't either. i think a lot of us scratching our heads today try to figure out what this airline is all about. we've learned it's a passenger carrier. it's five years old based in greensboro, north carolina. it only flies from new york and florida to guyana and venezuela and consistents of boeing 767s. and we've learned the plane that caught fire in that video is 29 years old. i should point out, jake, the
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welcome back to "the lead." last night the republican candidates had another opportunity to shine or fizzle in some cases. on the national stage. but hillary clinton also had a voice. and it was her npr voice. the clinton campaign unleashing four new tv ads in iowa and new hampshire, all softly narrated by clinton. all timed to counter the republican debate all focusing big time on working women and equal pay. let's talk about these spots with the former campaign ad man himself senior political analyst and former president obama adviser david axelrod. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> let's take this one ad from clinton campaign last night. pay attention to mrs. clinton's tone in particular.
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>> it took alexis four years to earn her college degree. but it will take her 25 years to pay off her student loans. join the fight to make college affordable. >> so that's a different kind of voice from hillary clinton than we're used to hearing, axe. i called it the npr voice, but certainly it's not what we see when she's giving speeches or even on the stump. what's the reasoning behind that? >> well, i think they wanted to identify her with this woman and make the woman the center of the spot. i would not use her as a voiceover. i would never use her reading a script. i don't think she's very good at it. i'd use her unscripted as we've seen in some other ads from town hall meetings. but the concept of the spot is good. this was an economic debate and they ran a couple of ads this one being about student loans that go right to the central concern that a lot of american families have. and they sort of softly
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identified her meaning the candidate with the woman who's dealing with these burdens. and so, you know, i think it was well conceived. but i think her voice may be actually a distraction rather than a help here. >> here's another similar ad, this one focusing on teacher pay. >> the top 25 hedge fund managers make more than all the kindergarten teachers in america combined. join the fight. >> it seems obvious, axe, that hillary clinton's target audience here is women, more than half the voting base. is there a specific woman that this is targeted at? >> well, i think this is your basic working class woman who is struggling to pay -- in most households women are the ones who are actually handling the bills and paying the bills. this issue of pay is one that men feel as well as women even on behalf of women. so it's a really good economic
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issue. and that stat she read i'm sure is one that resonates very strongly with people because it's a value statement. we rely on our kindergarten teachers to do their best for our young children and we value them so much less than the high fliers at the top of the economic ladder. and so it's more than just a policy statement. it's a value statement. >> is there a risk though in clinton making such a big play for the womans vote this time as opposed to 2007 and 2008 when she ran that she might make male voters feel like, well, she doesn't want my vote? >> see, i think that that is a potential. and i've seen at times some of her statements go right up to the edge of that. but in this particular case i think that there are a lot of men whose wives are breadwinners in the family and who they rely onto help support the family. and they're as angry as women are about flat wages and the inability to pay the bills.
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so i'd be less concerned about it in the context of these ads. i don't think they'll have a lot of recoil in that way. >> jeb bush by almost all accounts did not have a great night last night. his super pac is running an edge as toughness conservative governor in florida. take a look. >> jeb bush was a very strong governor. probably the strongest governor in the history of the state of florida. he was a young guy. and i think there were some folks in legislature that thought they might be able to run over him. >> he has a case to make here if you were advising him or his super pac, what would you tell him to do? >> the ad is in a way a microcosm of his problem. if you turn the sound off and watch this full ad, what you see are a lot of older people talking about him. and black and white photos as if this was ancient history. and it was a decade ago. and a number of the people who speak are lobbyists and they're talking about how he brought change to tallahassee, but the
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word lobbyist is such a negative symbol for people. look, he's got the best ad man i believe in the republican party, mike murphy making these ads. i don't think the problem so much as the story itself is dated and his orientation is a little dated and he's looking a little dated on the campaign trail. >> all right. david axelrod, thank you so much. always good to have you on. >> all right, jake. thanks a lot. good to be here. john kerry on a mission right now to try and end what he calls hell in syria. and for the first time iran is at the table. what do rebels desperately trying to stop isis think of that? reaction right from the front lines next. plus, he's the former prep school student found guilty of sexually assaulting an underage classmate, a case that uncovered stories of a sick and demented campus tradition. just moments ago he learned his fate. we have that story coming up as well. across america, people...
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welcome back to "the lead." the world lead now, secretary of state john kerry taking part in talks right now in vienna trying to chart a course out of hell as he puts it, for syria and its people, trying to end the long barbaric civil war there. and there will be a new player at the table this time, iran.
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a very active supporter of the assad regime, cnn senior international correspondent c clarissa ward joining us from irbil. what is the reaction of syrian rebels on the ground about these talks? >> reporter: well, jake, it's really interesting because it's the same reaction i've heard from rebel fighters on the ground with previous diplomatic efforts with geneva one and geneva two. and ultimately they feel very strongly that there is a complete disconnect between the people who are descending on vienna today staying in five-star hotels, wearing nice suits, and the people who are fighting and dying on the ground in syria. they perceive there to be fundamental disconnect there. they say that their needs are not being represented. and i actually reached out to a couple of them on the ground ahead of this show to get a sense. and i wanted to read you a couple of the comments that they gave me.
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one fighter with al qaeda's affiliate in syria said that the talks are essentially pointless. they can talk all they want, but it won't change anything we're doing here. i spoke to another more moderate group, the leader of one of those groups. he said a meeting to discuss the featu future of a country without the people of that country is very indicative. so clearly what you're seeing there is evidence that they feel there's a disconnect that their needs are not being represented. and that's really because of one principle issue here, jake, which is the fact that the future of bashar al assad will not be on the table for these talks. and all these various rebel groups on the ground in syria while they may disagree about many things, one thing they are unanimous about is the fact they feel very strongly that bashar al assad must go. and just one more thing that i would add, we've seen since the russians really got more involved in syria there's been a huge uptick, an acceleration in the flow of weapons going to all of these different rebel groups from their various international
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backers. as long as those weapons keep flowing, all sides in this conflict really feel that they can gain a tactical advantage on the battlefield. and that of course does not give them any incentive to come to the negotiating table. >> and a tactical advantage in the fight against isis or against assad? obviously some of these groups are fighting both. >> reporter: well, many of these groups as you point out are fighting both. but the primary enemy in the eyes of most of the rebel groups on the ground is still the regime of bashar al assad with the exception of the kurds who are very much focused on isis. obviously it's a very complex picture, but the one overriding theme i would say from the people i have talked to is there's very little confidence in these talks. >> clarissa ward, thank you so much. as always, stay safe. china has announced that it is ending its one-child policy. it's now a two-child policy. and much like the decision to enforce the one-child policy in the first place, the decision to
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just in this afternoon, brand new surveillance video of that horrific biker shootout in waco, texas. it's our national lead today. you can see bikers reacting to the chaos. some crouching and crawling as others draw their weapons. nine were killed and nearly 200
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arrested in the shoot outlast may. now cnn has obtained exclusive video, 2,000 pages of documents and crime scene video from weapons to guns to brass knuckles littering the parking lot of a twin peaks restaurant. let's get right to cnn's ed lavandera in waco, texas. grand jury really getting some shocking, shocking evidence here. [ technical difficulties ] >> reporter: this was the scene inside the twin peaks restaurant in may just before the violent shootout that killed nine people and ended up in the mass arrests of 177 bikers. a fight and shootout erupts just off camera between a group of motorcycle clubs called the bandidos and cosax. members of the club sitting on
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this patio duck for cover. some grab firearms and other weapons. one biker is seen on the surveillance video running through the patio and firing a shot toward the parking lot. dozens of bikers rush inside the building, hide in bathrooms and the restaurant kitchen. john wilson is the president of the waco, texas area chapter of the kos exmotorcycle club. >> the whole incident probably didn't last more than 90 seconds. it seemed like an hour when you're laying there and people are getting shot around you and bullets whizzing by. >> reporter: in dozens of police interviews blame rivals for starting the deadly melee. after it was all over crime scene photos capture the nightmarish scene. bodies left in the parking lot by toppled motorcycles, hundreds of weapons all over the place. handguns even left hidden in the restaurant toilets. cnn has obtained more than 2,000 pages of documents, crime scene photos, many too graphic to
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show. and surveillance video giving us the most detailed accounts of what unfolded last may. waco police and prosecutors have consistently defended the mass arrests of the 177 bikers that day all charged with organized criminal activity. >> i think you can see by the number of weapons that we have recovered from here today they didn't come here to eat and have a good time with their family. they came here for a reason. we think part of that reason was a criminal activity. >> reporter: but many of the bikers and their attorneys say investigators and prosecutors overreacted by carrying out mass arrests. some say these videos show the vast majority are innocent of the criminal charges. >> they just did a roundup and arrested everybody before they determined who was involved. >> reporter: these are just some of the videos investigators are using to piece together what happened that day five months ago. a shootout that one witness said looked like the gunfight at the o.k. corral. and now there are still 177 people here in texas waiting to
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see jake what this grand jury will do and determine their fate. so that still very much up in the air, jake. >> are there any other videos out there? >> reporter: we understand that there are. that there are actual videos that show a much clearer picture of the scuffle and the fight that ensued, that that video exists. however, that has not been made public yet because police and prosecutors cite the gag order here in this case, jake. >> ed lavandera for us in waco, texas. thank you so much. also in national news today, a 20-year-old convicted in a sexual assault case at a prestigious new england prep school just learned his fate. a judge sentencing owen la bri to one year behind bars plus probation. he could have received up to 11 years in prison. back in august a jury found labrie guilty of sexually assaulting an underage classmate at st. paul school in new hampshire last year. the case highlighted claims, allegations of a disturbing sexual culture on that campus.
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prosecutors arguing that labrie participated in a so-called senior salute where young men competed to have sex with younger classmates. the victims' parents spoke in court today saying this case has hurt their entire family. labrie's family and friends wrote statements hoping to save him from spending any time behind bars. saying his ruined reputation and lost scholarship to harvard was punishment enough. as part of his conviction he must also register as a sex offender. he can appeal his status after 15 years. also in politics today, a tearful john boehner today passing the torch to a new generation of republican leadership after more than a week of scrambling to find a new leader. congressman paul ryan of wisconsin was elected speaker of the house today. he promised a no-nonsense new beginning in the house, a clean slate he said. ryan is the first general xor to ever hold the job. he is now second in line to the presidency behind vice president joe biden. be sure to follow me on facebook and on twitter.
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that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i am turning you over as of right now to one mr. wolf blitzer. he is right next door in "the situation room." thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. fire on the runway. a jet engine bursts into flames moments before taking off. panicked passengers forced to flee for their lives with more than a dozen injured. hear the frantic calls for help and how close was this to a full blown disaster? america in combat. for the first time the pentagon now concedes u.s. troops in iraq are fighting a ground war against isis forces contrary to president obama's assertions and just days after the first u.s. casualty in the fight against isis. is the u.s. once again locked in a war in iraq? vladimir putin's power play. russian warplanes buzzed an american aircraft carrier in the