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that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i am turning you over as of right now to one mr. wolf blitzer. he is right next door in "the situation room." thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. fire on the runway. a jet engine bursts into flames moments before taking off. panicked passengers forced to flee for their lives with more than a dozen injured. hear the frantic calls for help and how close was this to a full blown disaster? america in combat. for the first time the pentagon now concedes u.s. troops in iraq are fighting a ground war against isis forces contrary to president obama's assertions and just days after the first u.s. casualty in the fight against isis. is the u.s. once again locked in a war in iraq? vladimir putin's power play. russian warplanes buzzed an american aircraft carrier in the pacific while russian vessels
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lurk near vital data cables in the atlantic. and now russia is inserting itself in talks on syria while stepping up military support for the regime. is putin trying to become the dominant force in the middle east? trump's spin. donald trump claims victory in the latest republican presidential debate as all the candidates scrambled for a boost in the polls. but jeb bush now finds himself facing poor reviews for his performance. is his campaign now facing an existential crisis? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following two major breaking stories including the fire on a boeing 767 that was taxiing at the fort lauder international airport. some 100 passengers fleeing the flames evacuating down the plane's emergency slides. at least 15 people are injured including one with serious
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burns. and there's also breaking news out of the pentagon. top officials are now saying bluntly that u.s. troops are in combat with isis forces in iraq after previously characterizing the american role as an advise and assist mission. the defense secretary ash carter now says the u.s. commando killed just days ago in an operation to rescue isis hostages died in combat. we're covering all of this and much more this hour with our guests including republican congressman adam kinsinger, he's a veteran of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. and our correspondents and experts they are also standing by for all the day's important news. let's begin with that plane that caught fire at the ft. lauderdale airport. cnn's pamela brown is working the story for us. pamela, you're learning new information. >> that's right, wolf. we're learning that one of the 15 passengers injured during the incident sustained serious burn injuries. and new audio shows how the pilots of the burning plane reacted when they learned what was happening.
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>> engine's on fire! engine's on fire! >> reporter: smoke pours from a boeing 767 as frightened passengers scramble to the emergency evacuate slides. the dynamic airways flight was about to take off from fot. lauderdale airport to caracas, venezuela, at 12:45 this afternoon. >> roger 9002. >> do a 180 advise for instruction. >> reporter: the frightening scene happening moments after -- >> left engine was on fire. the plane was loaded with passengers. they were taxiing -- the planes behind me now were taxiing to the north runway to depart for caracas. >> reporter: moments before a pilot on another plane on the same runway noticed fuel was pouring from the engine. >> hey, dynamic out of the left engine looks like it's leaking i don't know if it's fuel, there's fluid leaking out of the left engi engine. >> reporter: after frighten
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passengered scurried down the chut chute, the ft. lauderdale airport was quickly shut down. stunned passengers on other planes filmed the scene unfolding. emergency crews sprayed the left wing with foam to extinguish the fire before investigators could move in to find out what happened and why. >> so something happened in answer to your question from the time that, you know, particular pilot did his walk around inspection to when they got to that point that we're looking at footage wise now. you know, a fuel leak is not something that you can readily determine from the cockpit. it's just not possible to see that until you have a fuel loss situation. >> reporter: dynamic airways started just five years ago in greensboro, north carolina, and only goes to two international destinations from the u.s., venezuela and guyana.
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its fleet consists only of boeing 767. the plane that caught fire was 29 years old. it was a similar scene in las vegas last month when a british airways plane's left engine caught fire on the runway. 13 of the 159 passengers were taken to the hospital mainly from going down the plane's slides. in total 101 passengers were on board this flight. the ntsb is sending a four-person crew to investigate what happened. and boeing has offered to help with this investigation, wolf. >> all right. pamela, thanks very much. i want to go on the phone now. the public information officer for broward county sheriff fire rescue mike jackles is joining us. broward county is where the ft. lauderdale international airport is located. what's the latest you're hearing how this plane caught fire? >> good evening, wolf. that's going to be part of the investigation that's just under way, but what i can tell you is we received a call at 12:34
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thursday afternoon. our units quickly responded. broward sheriff fire rescue provides the fire suppression service to ft. lauderdale hollywood international. we have our fire station located right on the airfield there. our first units were on scene within two minutes. the pilot advised that the plane was evacuated by 12 cnn.com/ -- 12 clb 37 and by 12:38 the fire was declared knocked down. so this was a very rapid, very quick response. this is something that we train for very common in aircraft rescue fire fighting wheel well fires, brake fires, engine fires and galley fires. these are things that our firefighters go through comprehensive extensive training on. >> we're reporting, mike, that at least 15 people were injured in this plane fire. wub with serious burns. do you have newer information? can you update us on the condition of those who were injured? >> yes, we actually have 15 people that were transported to
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broward health medical center in ft. lauderdale. that's the trauma center, which is about five to seven minutes from the airport. in all we actually evaluated approximately 22 or 24 people for injuries. so there were others that were injured. of the one that sustained serious burns, we don't know who that person is, i don't have that information. i can tell you there were two people that sustained serious but less serious injuries. and then the remainder of those transported what we call walking wounded they had bumps, bruises, contusions, things like that. and they were transported as well. >> and the injuries were the result of what? >> well, i don't have that yet, but what we are presuming at this point is injuries were sustained during the evacuation process and going down the chute. we see that very often. we don't know what the burn injuries were caused from, however it's conceivable that had that person gone out the
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chute on the left side of the plane where the left engine was on fire, again, this is speculation, they could have sustained burns that way. but we don't know, you know, exactly where those burns were sustained. but that will be determined with the due process of the investigation. >> the ft. lauderdale airport is obviously a very busy, very important airport. what's the status of the runways there? >> well, i'd have to defer to my counterpart the spokesman for the airport broward county aviation department. they handle the airport operations. obviously when the incident was ongoing we had our fire rescue resources committed to this incident. and the airport was shut down. and they have since announced that i believe they're reopening portions or more than that, but again, that's a question for broward county aviation. i really can't officially comment on that. i'm just relaying what they said at the last update that they provided to the media. >> one final question, mike,
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before i let you go. how long did it take to put out the fire? >> we received the call at 12:34. and the fire was knocked down, it was out by 12:38. we had a response of two minutes. so we were on the scene within two minutes. so within two minutes our crash fire rescue trucks deployed foam and quickly put out that fire. >> it's a pretty unusual event to have a fire like that on the runway, isn't it? >> this is the first one that i can recall. however, i've been involved in training and our firefighters go through training extensively on aircraft fires whether it's engine fires, brake fires, wheel fires, galley fires, it's something that, you know, you have to be proficient in. and, you know, we have a complement of resources there along with technical rescue and hazardous materials teams. so we had a commendable response in a very short amount of time. >> mike, thanks very much for
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joining us. mike with the broward county fire and rescue squad. let's get some more now with our aviation analyst miles o'brien is joining us, the former managing director of the national transportation safety board joining us. miles, the pilot in the plane that was taxiing behind this 767 saw this fuel leaking, radioed in and then within a few minutes we saw what happened. how unusual is this? >> it's relatively unusual, but engines do fail. you know, what the sequence of events is is very important. that's what investigators will be looking at. did it begin with a fuel leak? and did that lead to the fire? or did the engine disintegrate in some fashion, sever the line causing a fuel leak or was it a leak of oil? if it was oil leaking that could cause the engine failing and thus the fire. it's a rapid sequence of events probably occurred with the engine being started. >> the pilot noticed something was wrong because he radioed in as well that they've got a fire, they've got some leaks, right? >> they might have seen
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something on their digital equipment inside the plane. i mean, this is an older 767 but they might have noticed something in terms of engine pressure. but there's no question that they'll look at maintenance, they'll look at whether the engi they're going to look at a variety of things. and the black boxes will help tell the story. >> you say it's an older plane, it's 29 years old this boeing 767, a pretty common plane out there. is that an old plane 29 years? >> well, it's getting amount in years. my understanding is that the engines were an older variant of the pratton whitney engines. >> so it hadn't been retro fitted? >> well, we don't know that. we'll have to look at maintenance records very quickly and look at the records of the engine extremely carefully. >> could there be a bigger problem with the older boeing 767s? >> well, you know, old -- got to be careful talking about old in aviation. if you do in fact follow the book to the letter of the law, planes can last an awful long
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time. they're limited by their number of cycles, how many times they talk off and land, the airframe itself. but the engine themselves go for refurbishment on a very strict schedule. if the airline is following those rules, old is kind of a term that is a little different than your old car. >> because sometimes they'll put in new engines, right? >> absolutely. engines get changed out, things get refurbished. to say a plane is 29 years old, there are probably very few things on it 29 years old except for the airframe itself. so these things get refurbished over time as a natural course. and so having said that though as time goes on an older plane will provide you with a lot more maintenance challenges. >> what do we know about dynamic airlines? i don't know anything about it, but do you know anything about it? it's safety record for example. >> well, this is their first incident. they've got five 767s apparently, and they fly rather unique routes. this one is the ft. lauderdale to caracas, venezuela route, which had been given up by a lot of the major carriers because of
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finance problems in caracas and venezuela. but we'll know more about it in the next couple of weeks. >> because it's only two routes from ft. lauderdale to guyana and ft. lauderdale to caracas. so it's pretty unusual. >> it's a small airline and this will be one of the key things when you talk about an airline that's been around for five years the faa and ntsb will be looking very closely at who's doing the work, how much is outsourced, how much of the maintenance are they doing, who's really controlling the operation of that aircraft? is a key question here. >> if you were doing this investigation what's the most important thing you're looking for right now? >> well, toipt make sure i've got access to the records on the maintenance of the engine and the aircraft. and then you also want to look at culture. you know, when you have only a five aircraft fleet, how much pressure is there to complete the flight? >> even if there might be a
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little problem. little problem turns out to be a big problem. >> and don't have backup aircraft. i think this is going to be an interesting investigation. thankfully no one was injured beyond the one or two that were badly burned. but this could have been a real disaster. >> yeah. could have been indeed. all right, guys, thanks very much. there's more breaking news we're following today here in "the situation room." the pentagon now saying u.s. troops are engaged in combat in iraq with isis forces. plus, donald trump claiming victory in the latest republican presidential debate speaking out about what he calls hatred between two of his rivals. why pause a spontaneous moment to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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following breaking news at the pentagon. top officials there now saying for the first time that u.s. troops are in fact engaged in combat in iraq against isis terrorists. until now they've characterized their role as advising and assisting iraqi troops with the death of a u.s. commando on a mission to rescue isis hostages has underscored the real nature of this new u.s. mission. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is joining us with more. i take it this represents a pretty significant change, barbara. >> well, wolf, i think there's some very interesting subtleties here for americans to realize. what you're seeing is military personnel, military officials in
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uniform acknowledging what is so obvious to them and that is that u.s. troops are in harm's way. we've seen the first american soldier killed in action. and of course it's combat. that is what they are saying. the politicians not so willing to embrace those words. and the real question now is how far will all of this really go. helicopter forces loyal to syrian president bashar al assad pounding a damascus suburb. bodies retrieved from mountains of rubble. in the north near the flashpoint city of aleppo syrian army units repelled an isis attack according to iranian state media. russia has focused many of its attacks here across western syria. part of its campaign to boost assad's forces. but the cia director insists the russians know there is no military solution. >> i do believe paradoxically
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they felt as though they had to strengthen assad before in fact he could be moved out. and despite what they say, i believe the russians do not see assad in syria's future. >> reporter: just as the pentagon is detailing new u.s. military options for defense secretary ash carter to send to the white house. it could eventually mean more u.s. boots on the ground closer to the front lines. >> we won't hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against isil or conducting such missions directly. whether by strikes from the air or direct action on the ground. >> reporter: from the u.s. military and admission that u.s. troops are already involved in more than just advising and assisting. >> of course it's combat. you know, our aviators are conducting combat air patrols and it's the name ofhe mission. combat air patrol, so of course it's combat. >> reporter: the pentagon is expected to increase more intelligence sharing and
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communications support especially for kurds in both northern iraq and northern syria. a key u.s. goal, help the kurds in northern syria isolate crucial areas around raqqa, isis' self-declared capital. so let's go back to this question, is it really combat? well, one of the options being discussed deep inside the pentagon is to put u.s. troops, advisers if you will, with smaller groups of syria kurdish forces, iraqi kurdish forces, that sort of thing. you put u.s. troops with smaller groups of forces on the ground, the smaller the units they're with, the closer they are to the front line, the closer to combat, wolf. >> all right, barbara, good explanati explanation. thanks very much. let's dig deeper right now. republican congressman adam kinsinger of illinois is joining us, veteran of the war in iraq and afghanistan. thanks for coming in. >> you bet. >> when the pentagon says today u.s. troops, soldier, airmen,
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they're in combat, but they say the mission really hasn't changed. this sounds like a new phase in this operation against isis. >> it does. it seems like -- it's funny to say we're in combat. it's almost like reiterating that the sky is blue. i mean, we know that when we bomb people that's combat. even on an advise and consent role in a combat environment that's combat. and we saw what happened with the special operations mission. obviously that's very directly combat. the good thing to come out of this is the fact that i think this -- the pentagon admitting this, the civilian leadership admitting this, liberates the president to have more options. i feel like he had had his own red line of saying we're not going to put boots on the ground, we're not going to engage in active combat, and now he can finally do what i think is going to be necessary to push isis back and that may include some ground combat. >> you would support ground combat, boots on the ground as it's called? >> yeah, but we need to be careful. people automatically think of 150,000 troops, 200,000 troops. i think you can have small units, direct action units like
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we saw with the special operators that can take out targets, capture targets, get information. that's undoubtedly combat. and undoubtedly boots on the ground. but it doesn't mean we're calling for an occupation of iraq again. >> but it's going to result in more u.s. casualties. >> it will. these men and women every day they raise their right hand to defend the country. and i've done that too and we all know this very well may cost us our life, and we hope not. but to defend the homeland and to defend america from these terrible elements that are growing in the middle east and at a rapid pace, unfortunately american soldiers have to be put in harm's way. >> it's not just more blood but a lot more treasure also. the pentagon has just announced in the past 434 days since operation inherent resolve it's called this war against isis has started u.s. taxpayers have spent, already spent $4.75 billion, with a b, billion dollars in this war against isis at a cost of about $11 million a day. people hear those numbers almost
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$5 billion they say couldn't that money be better spent here in the united states? or shouldn't it be used simply to reduce the national debt? >> well, i'd love to be able to use it for that. and if we had a situation where isis didn't exist and we weren't threatened overseas by these growing oer ining organizations growing faster than we can get a handle on, it would be great to use that to handle the deficit or build roads and bridges. the problem is the number one job of the american government is to make sure americans are safe. we have to use all means to include that. i'm glad my brothers and sisters that are flying these fighter jets in the middle east are able to have laser guided weapons that can protect civilians as best they can. and they can fly high enough that frankly they're not in harm's way from being shot at. that's what technology is and sometimes that costs some money. >> but the thought was over the past decade the u.s. would train and assist the iraqi military to do this. and they've simply not done it. >> right. absolutely right. >> why invest more money if they're not going to step up to the plate? >> because i don't think we have any other option. unfortunately this is a problem, a cancer that's going to grow so
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big that if we don't have partners on the ground as flawed as they are, we're going to have to see large amounts of western troops in there. and that's where we don't want to go. the iraqis were performing pretty well until we left in 2011. and then we saw the military fall apart. so hopefully we can rebuild that but i don't think we have any other option, wolf. >> it's a disaster right now. adam kinzinger, thank you for joining us. >> you bet. >> congressman from illinois. coming up, following the investigation into the frightening airline fire and also new fallout as crews work to recover the antimissile blimp that got loose ended up knocking out power to thousands of people. we'll tell you what happened.
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performance could be a breakout moment for his campaign. >> the democrats have the ultimate super pac, it's called the mainstream media. >> reporter: but rubio today trying to temper the hype. as we did with the other two debates. the election wasn't decided last night. we'll have another debate in 14 days and replace in people's memory this one. >> reporter: this after jeb bush's performance again underwhelmed after an attempt to zing rubio backfired. >> i mean, literally, the senate what is it like a french workweek? you get three days where you have to show up? you can campaign, or just resign and let someone else take the job. >> you know how many votes john mccain missed when he was carrying out that furious you're modeling under. jeb, i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason why you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. >> reporter: which bush did his best today to try to clean up. >> that's what leadership is about. it's about fixing problems. it's about solving problems. it's about bringing people together rather than tearing them apart.
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it's not about the big personalities on the stage. it's not about performance. it's about leadership. >> reporter: other struggling candidates did what they could to breakthrough. >> i want to tell you my great concern is that we are on the verge perhaps of picking someone who cannot do this job. >> we have $19 trillion in debt. we have people out of work. we have isis and al qaeda attacking us. and we're talking about fantasy football? please stop. >> reporter: and despite being center stage, the spotlight mostly avoided the front runners, donald trump and ben carson seem to play it safe. >> such a nasty question. but, thank you, governor. >> reporter: both fading into the background at times providing an opening for another insurgent candidate, ted cruz, to stand out by taking on the moderators. >> how about talking about the substantive issues people care about? >> reporter: ben carson today also taking aim at cnbc. >> what it's turned into is a gotcha. that's silly.
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>> reporter: and is trying to organize the other republican candidates to push for changes to their next big encounter in less than two weeks. >> debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what's behind them. >> reporter: so clearly ben carson here in colorado really trying to capitalize over all this unhappiness among the candidates with last night's debate trying to show a little leadership too. but he would not answer today whether he intends to boycott the next and upcoming debate if those changes are not made, wolf. >> sunlen serfaty for us. sunlen, thanks very much. i want to bring in ana navarro, cnn politics executive editor mark preston, and joining us from new hampshire cnn senior correspondent brianna keilar. guys, standby for a moment. we're getting some new information on this race for the white house. i want to digest it. we'll assess what's going on right after a quick break.
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we're looking at the latest developments the political aftershocks from the republican debate. donald trump is campaigning in nevada today in front of a large very enthusiastic crowd. he proclaimed himself among the winners last night. our political reporter sara murray is joining us from the trump campaign. right now sparks, nevada, what did he say, what did he do today? >> reporter: well, trump just wrapped up a campaign rally here
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in nevada. and surprise, surprise he declared himself the winner of the debate last night. now, he also waited on that testy exchange between marco rubio and jeb bush. take a listen. >> so who saw the debate last night? [ cheers and applause ] and great book. and who won the debate? [ cheers and applause ] yeah, we did well. everybody -- i mean, i think there were a few people that really did well last night. remember what i said about jeb, and remember what i said about rubio? okay. everyone said, oh, no, you're wrong, mr. trump. i get no credit for this stuff. i said they don't like each other. you know, i said it. and people forget last night the heat came out. and i even said, i told you -- i announced that last night. i told you. a lot of anger, a lot of hatred between those two.
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>> reporter: now, trump actually had pretty complimentary words for most of the republicans who were on the debate stage with him yesterday. he was not so nice when it came to talking about president barack obama. he said he actually believes the president hates israel. and, you know, maybe it was just coming off the debate in colorado where pot is legal, but some of the folks in the audience today asked him to weigh in on his views on marijuana policy. he made a little bit of news here today saying he believes medical marijuana should be legal and saying it should be up to the states to decide whether they want to legalize recreational marijuana, wolf. >> thanks very much for that, sara murray in nevada. let's bring back our experts ana navarro, mark preston and brianna keilar. ana, you support jeb bush. you've raised money for him. you're a friend of marco rubio's, but last night you said you were disappointed in jeb bush's performance. how does he recover? can he recover? >> first of all absolutely he can recover. we are still in a race that's very much up in the air. and the fundamentals of jeb's
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campaign are strong. you know, he's got great ground game, he's pulling out great policy proposals almost on a weekly basis. his campaign stump retail events are very good. the debates are the one weak link. so he can turn it around by having a great debate in the next 12 days. you know, the next debate is in 12 days. he's got everything going for him. and more importantly than that he's got the heart, the will, the backbone to do it. and he wants to do it. this idea of whether jeb's heart is in it or not is -- he's full in. >> had three debates to show the passion, desire, capability. take a look at the huge numbers 25 million in the debate, 24 million, 15 million last night. that's a lot of people watching. three missed opportunities for him. >> three missed opportunities. and i think it was perplexing not only for supporters such as ana navarro who wants jeb bush to win the nomination, but i do think all across the country
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republicans who see bush as the strongest nominee heading into november are wondering why didn't he bring the fire. he's been told for weeks now to bring the fire. we've been told by his campaign he was going to bring the fire. and then last night if he had any fire it was certainly doused out. i agree his campaign is not over. he has the money, he has the organization, he has the background. he needs the fire. >> he needs the fire. he needs to get those people excited. brianna, you've been following him today in new hampshire. what is the campaign doing to try to combat this escalating narrative that he may be doomed? >> reporter: they're emphasizing a lot of what you just heard ana talk about, the ground game of the campaign is very strong, that he has the heart. that's something that jeb bush himself said today here in portsmouth. but talking to republicans today, wolf, who back him what they say is really in jeb bush's favor is the money that his campaign is in a situation despite recent cuts that other candidates would be envious of. that the super pac backing him
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has raked in $100 million. that they have ad buys already set up for early winter. and talking to some folks they say, you know what, obviously this isn't ideal. he isn't popping right now in late october. but there are many debates and also it's more important for him to really pop in january ahead of these important dates in february, the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary, wolf. >> brianna, the republican front runners, ben carson and donald trump, they attract huge crowds when they go out and speak. what kind of crowd did jeb bush have today? >> reporter: this one was,ly tell you sort of small, i would say in the realm of about 100 or so people. there were a number of reporters, of cameras here, certainly kind of rivaling a large fraction of the supporters who were here in portsmouth. it was during the day, i'll certainly tell you that, wolf, jeb bush as we speak actually getting ready for another event in new london.
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we're waiting to see what the turnout is there. >> not exactly a huge crowd. gets thousands people ben carson thousands of people bernie sanders and hillary clinton they get a lot of people kwho show up 100 people on a day after a big debate that's sort of pitiful. >> i don't know, look, it's the way it's always been done. it's a typical new hampshire event. donald trump shows up and does one event every so often. jeb bush does five events in one day in different towns. what jeb needs to do, wolf, is he needs to get past this mental block he has where he thinks that performing and entertaining somehow takes away his authenticity and takes away from the presidential nature of the job he's seeking. it doesn't. it is part of the job. i've seen this man project strength and inspiration as governor. he needs to get back to the jeb bush i knew as governor and he needs to show us that guy on the stage. >> a lot of people said ted cruz the senator from texas did well
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last night and will get a bounce out of this, what do you think? >> he will. look, in the last hour i got off the phone with his chairman and said what did you make of last night's debate, how do you bounce out of iowa? iowa is the state -- little knowledge ted cruz has to win or come in second, the belief now in the cruz campaign is as they've been talking about but certainly solidified last night they believe they can get the evangelical social conservatives, the libertarian wing and fiscal wing to come together. now, we've seen that ben carson is really doing well out in iowa. they think they can take that away from ben carson, and rand paul. >> fallout just beginning from that debate. another one coming up very soon. >> he has those libertarians. >> all right. guys, thanks very much. coming up, there are new questions and new fallout as the crews work to recover that military antimissile blimp that broke loose and drifted away knocking out power to thousands of people.
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a recover team spent in pennsylvania where a run away blimp came down after breaking loose not that far away from washington d.c. in maryland, flying all the way to northeast pennsylvania. it's dangling cables knocking down power lines. brian todd is here with more on the accident and the fallout. >> u.s. military officials are investigating how the massive blimp became untethered. critics are calling a symbol of an inpractical surveillance.
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>> tonight, cnn learned in an attempt to deflate the balloon left tangled in dense patches of forest, pennsylvania state police fired shotguns at it, an embarrassing ending for what some are suggesting is a defense department boondoggle. >> when they were shooting, i didn't want to watch it. it was sad, like smoothing your dog. >> reporter: officials at norad aren't saying what caused the aircraft that stretches nearly the length of a football field to become unteeth thered before thumping down in northeastern pennsylvania. the aircraft was half of a pair of unmanned blimps carrying sophisticated radar, blimps designed to work in tandem. >> the first is designed to do broad area surveillance and look for threats at 340 miles. the secondary row stat is
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designed to hone in on a potential threat and target and queue it for another weapon system like a fighter jet or a even the patriot missile defense system and in both the aero stats, the radar is contain in a pod underneath right here. >> reporter: norad officials say it was the second targeting blimp. the two aero stats are designed to detect cruise missiles and projectiles but tonight critics are calling the crashed white blimp a white elephant. a 2012 pentagon report sited the low system reliability, and an l.a. times investigation published last month said the program was slow to role out, inefficient and expensive costing taxpayers $2.7 billion. the times report says the blimps can't distinguish friendly aircraft from threatening ones. still, some independent analyst defend the program. >> that system has been excruciatingly tested at white
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sands, against simulated targets, real targets and does the job it was designed to do. >> reporter: back in april it missed its chance to prove that when a florida man piloted a gyji gyrocopter. >> that was game day for this particular device and it was in the locker room. >> reporter: officials say the blimp separated. we pretssed the manufacturer to respond and they referred us to norad. they say they are one year into a three-year test period and have not yet determined the effectiveness. >> is the u.s. government or anybody going to reimburse the folks in pennsylvania for the power outages? >> they set up a claims process where individuals, local organizations can contact their local military base to see if
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happening now, breaking news, fire before take off. a commercial jet's engine erupts in flames and passengers are forced to evacuate and more than a dozen injured. i'll ask the ntsb chief what went wrong. winging it, a blunt new assessment about russia's growing aggression. the national intelligence director talking exclusively to cnn about vladimir putin's volatile moves and broader strategy. trump claims victory, he's touting debate victories and jeb bush is forced to deny his campaign is on death's door. did the presidential race change overnight? school room brawls, two stuns new videos raise serious questions about the role police officers play in cracking down on unruly students. should they be in the schools at all? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're "the situation room".
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let's get to the breaking news. federal investigators are heading to florida right now to determine why the engine of a commercial airliner erupted in flames as the plane was heading to the runway. the fire and billowing smoke causing fear and gridlock at the fort lauderdale international airport. passengers and crew members escaped down the emergency slide. tonight, at least 15 people are injured including a child. also breaking, america's top spy says russian president vladimir putin is winging it. his words, winging it as he steps up, aggressive moves around the globe. the director of national intelligence talking exclusively to cnn hours after the u.s. navy launched four fighter jets to intercept russian jets flying near a u.s. aircraft carrier in the pacific. we have correspondentcorresponds and news makers standing by.
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first, let's go to pamela brown. pamela, we're told one person was seriously burned in that plane fire. what else are you learning? >> that's right, wolf. we're learning 15 passengers were brought to the hospital following that incident. one with serious burns, two with less and others had walking injuries officials say and audio shows how the pilots in the burning plane reacted when they learned what was happening. >> engine on fire. >> smoke pours from a boeing 767 as frightened passengers scramble to the emergency evacuation slide. the flight was about to take off from fort lauderdale airport to venezuela at 12:45 this afternoon. >> emergency, call the fire truck. >> roger 9002. >> we're going to do a 180 here and exit instructions. >> his left engine was on fire. the plane was loaded with
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passengers. they were taxiing to the north runway to deport. >> moments before the fire, a pilot on another plane on the same runway noticed fuel was pouring from the engine. >> hey, dynamic out of the left engine looks like it's leaking a lot of i don't know if it's fuel, it's fluid leaking out of the left engine. >> after frightened passengers went out the plane chute, some were taken away on stretchers and wheelchairs and some walked away. the airplane was quickly shut down. stunned passengers on other planes filmed the scene unfolding. emergency crews sprayed the left wing with foam to extinguish the fire before investigators could move in to find out what happened and why. >> you know, a fuel leak is not something that you can readily determine from the cockpit. it's just not possible to see that until you have a fuel loss
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situation. >> dynamic airways started just five years ago in greensboro, north carolina and only goes to two international decembstinati from the u.s. the fleet consists only of boeing 767s. the plane that caught fire was 29 years old. it was a similar scene in las vegas last month when a british airways planes caught fire on the runway. 13 of the 159 passengers were taken to the hospital, mainly from going down the plane slides. in total, 101 passengers were on board this flight. the ntsb is sending a four-person crew to investigate what happened and boeing offered to help with the investigation. >> the fort lauderdale airport was closed for most of the day causing dozens of delays and cancellations. we have someone on the scene at the airplane, has one of the runways opened up yet?
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>> reporter: north -- remains -- >> unfortunately. hold on, alena, hold on for a moment. we weren't hearing you from the beginning, so start again. i asked you if one of the runways has reopened. >> reporter: yeah, one of the runways has reopened. the south runway reopened just before 3:30 this afternoon. the north runway here remains shut down and the plane, this dynamic airlines plane involved in the incident, look behind me is still sitting there in the same place where this all unfolded. we've seen planes taxiing around that plane as activity here has started to pick up at the airport. it's unclear how long this plane will sit there but hours after the fire, authorities here at the airport were still on stand by because the plane was still hot from the fire and they were concerned that it might start up
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again. now, as pamela mentioned, 15 people were taken to the hospital. the passengers who were not hurt were transfered to a different terminal here at the airport where many of them were reunited with her families and they were very, very happy and thankful to be alive, wolf. >> all right, alina, thanks for much. we'll stay in touch and get more from the airport. let's bring in the former head of the ntsb, the national transportation safety board joining us, president of the national safety counsel. joining us on the phone, debra, thanks very much for joining us. the ntsb sending a team to investigate. tell us what they will be looking for in the short term. >> caller: well, one of the first things they will take a look at is if they see anything that needs to be looked at fleet wide. they have boeing, pratt, whitney and the faa coming with them. something that needs to be addressed to get that information out quickly and get
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those inspections done across the fleet. look closely at any maintenance or work that might have been done recently on that aircraft. >> at least 17 passengers we're now told have been hospitalized with injuries, some more serious than others. do we know anything about the extent of the injuries or specifically how they were sustained in going down the chute, smoke inhalation, what was going on? >>. >> caller: there is challenge when you do an evacuation airline have aircraft that has been tested, they have to demonstrate and evacuate an airplane in 90 seconds with 50% of the exits blocked so it's really critical to get those passengers off the plane but you know in that regard to get off the plane a lot of things can happen. people can get hurt coming down the slides, getting off the slides, falling on each other. they will be looking at that. they look how the evacuation
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worked and what injuries were sustained, where those passengers were when injuries occurred and those pictures show a lot of smoke out there so we'll have to wait and see what they find. >> what can you tell us about the safety record of this airline, a lot of people are not familiar with the dynamic international airlines. >> caller: you know, wolf, i'm not familiar with this airline's safety record but i know that is something the faa will be taking a look at, they are responsible for regulating this aircraft and this airline is a new airline, so you can bet they will be under close scrutiny now after this event. >> on the slides that were opened, we noticed that passengers were allowed to get off the plane on the left side where the fuel spill was happening. it sounds counter intuitive, was it a mistake? >> caller: you know, generally you're having folks assess in particular the crew trained, flight attendants manning the
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doors in general you won't open a door into the fire or into that fuel, but i will say that some of the challenges for folks that can't see things and if this fire developed and smoke developed, circumstances may have changed. you want to get the passengers off on the side that's the safest but perhaps they couldn't see what they couldn't see at the time before it developed, but the good news is, the evacuation worked. you had good crew resource management with other pilots conveying information about the leaking fluids coming out of the engine and so all of this is really important. this is a success. no one was killed. >> you're absolutely right. it could have been a lot worse. debra hersman, former ntsb chair. thanks very much. let's bring in our aviation analyst miles o'bryan and the former ntsb managing director peter goals. do 767s have a good safety record, aad safety record?
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do we know about the boeing 767? >> they are perfectly fine aircraft. they are a workhorse on the european runs. they are a workhorse on the south american runs. they were a wide body range from 3,000 to 6,000 miles, just under 300 passengers you can get into them. they are a nice plane and they have a long successful life. >> from my days covering the pentagon, i remember when the u.s. navy had an aircraft that had a problem or the air force had an aircraft that had a problem, they would ground them for a day or two, all of those same models to make sure there was nothing bigger. they don't do this with commercial airliners, do they? >> let's remember boeing makes the airframe but pratt whitney makes the engine. the problem happened in and around the engine, clearly, whether it was a fragmentation of the compressor or some component of the jet engine, we don't know if that's where it
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began or if it began with a fuel spill. we're talking about something around the engine and does not reflect on the boeing 767 which is a safe workhorse. >> the reputation is a very good reputation but it was 29 years old, this particular 767, this boeing 767 that sounds like it's an old plane. >> if regular maintenance was done, they tear the planes down on what they call major checks, the c check and d check. this plane, there is probably very few parts of the plane that are 29 years old, except fperhas the actual frame. they redo it from the ground up. the plane could be a new plane. >> we're relying on dynamic. this airline that's relatively knew and only flies to ghana and venezuela. >> it's trust but verifiable. the faa and ntsb will look carefully at the records and there will be a level of
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scrutiny particularly since it's relatively speaking, unknown quantity in the aviation industry to see how they are running the business. is there heavy reliance on outsourcing or mining the store as they should be? >> peter, the goal of the ntsb investigation to learn what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again but that will take, what, six months, a year? how long will that take? >> this investigation will probably take a year but there will be preliminary reports to give us a real picture of what happened. >> you think we'll know? >> we will. we'll get an early indication where the failure began at least and then there will be layer upon layer after that. the culture of the airline, the safety culture, the maintenance outsourcing practices if at all. those things take time and those are also very important as knowing why that particular piece of metal might have failed. >> guys, thanks very much. whenever there is an aviation issue, we call on the two of you.
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appreciate it. does vladimir putin have a plan. one of the top security officials speaking exclusively to cnn about the russian president's aggressive moves around the world and we'll have the latest on the violent arrest of a high school student caught on video. the officer has been fired. why did the two teenage girls still facing criminal charges?
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intelligence inside a decision bubble, a small circle not very many people challenging him. he's impulsive and when i asked if he has a plan, vladimir putin has plan in syria, he said in his words he is winging it. here is how he described that. >> we're expected to know that a decision has been made by a foreign head of state before he makes it. putin is case in point. i think he's very impulsive, very opportunistic. it's a debate but i personally question whether he has song long-term strategy or whether he is, you know, being very opportunistic on a day to day basis and i think his intervention into syria is another manifestation of that. >> the director of intelligence, clapper has a similar view of putin's plans in ukraine. he has a short term plan and being more reactive but i also
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asked him this, i said was he, was the u.s. intelligence committee surprised by russian military action in syria? he said no. they warned the president and they had seen these signs for sometime. he says they saw it coming. >> the whole notion of the u.s. intelligence committee based on my reporting of it over the years and i'm sure yours, as well, jim, there are different views. there is not always one particular view that's a consensus. there are minority opinions and majority. the director of national intelligence, clapper in this particular case has to come up with the best assessment. how much of a debate is there in the intelligence community about what putin is up to? >> enormous debate. you know this better than i that intelligence is somehow perfect, that it could be clear. it can't be. you have enormous resources. no one has more than the u.s. from satellites to intercepted communications, to human intelligence on the ground and
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drones et cetera but that gives you a partial picture and every day they have to make judgments like this and as you say within that intelligence committee. one person will have one view and the other will have the other and that comes across in those assessments and it's particularly difficult with vladimir putin. very tight group that really often the only person who knows what he's going to do is vladimir putin himself. that makes it extremely difficult for them to predict the next move. >> fascinating material. i know you'll release more of this exclusive interview. appreciate it. we'll continue to follow this story. jim sciutto doing excellent work. there is new international talks on the war in syria have -- will begin hours from now with iran participating for the first time as secretary of state john kerry says the meeting offers the best hope to char chart a course in his words out of hell.
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what we can expect from this important meeting. what are you learning? >> wolf, officials say secretary kerry wants to put together frame work or road map for what a political transition for assad free government would look like and what would it look like? we're talking about maybe some kind of talks on a political counsel, transitional body that would eventually take over some of assad's powers and listen, the time frame is very uncertain, but if this transitional body can take over some of those duties for assad, then there would be elections, but there's certainly no agreement. kerry just wants agreement on even the broad strokes and even at this initial session friday, officials say it's very slim. they say this will be the beginning of a long and painful process. >> the u.s. officials i've been speaking to over the past few days say they see no evidence either iran or russia will back away from their support for bashar al-assad's work. >> that's the sticking part is assad's future.
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you have 19 countries that will be at this conference. you have saudi arabia that says at the end of process, you want to guarantee assad will be out and we'll worry about the time frame later. the iranians refuse to believe he should leave. so everyone agrees there needs to be some political way out of this. when you get into the time frame it's uncertain and sierrans themselves, power brokers of the middle east getting together to talk about the future. the opposition is not invited. the u.s. says they are not ready and needs to be more organize ni newsed and will be part of the plan but the syrians say there is a real disconnect between the meeting and what is going on on the ground. >> a lot of sunni arabs are not happy. they are going to the meeting in vienna but very reluctantly. thank you for that. let's go to the region now. our senior international correspondent clarisa ward is joining us reporting from there from syria talking to rebel
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forces. what do they think about these international peace talks that are about to begin in vienna? >> reporter: elyce said it there when she talked about the disconnect. the disconnect these rebel forces see between the people who are going into vienna to attend talks and the people fighting and dying on the ground in syria, they feel very strongly their needs and their concerns are not being represented and i actually reached out to a few different leaders of various rebel groups on the ground to get a sense of what their perspective is and i wanted to share some comments. one the leaders of the one of the major islamist groups on the ground said a meeting to discuss the future of a country without the people of that country is very indicative. clearly, being somewhat caustic with that comment and i spoke to someone from al qaeda's affiliate on the ground in syria. he called the talks pointless
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and said they can talk all they want, but it wouldn't change anything that we're doing here and of course, the main issue of contention when you're talking about these various different rebel groups running the gamit they feel strongly bar bashar bust go so any type of diplomatic gathering or talks where his departure is not on the table seems to be legitimate. >> are they suggesting what the secretary of state of the united states is about to do is a blunder, bring in other powers like russia and iran that support bashar al-assad into the talks? are they angry at the u.s.? >> reporter: i think they feel from conversations i've had with them, they feel very let down by the u.s., but there's a sense, as well, at this stage they are almost used to it. their expect taations are so lo
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rather than shifting the focus to russia and iran, they would like to have a seat at the table. you can't put the blame here on the international community. the reality is that the syrian opposition is very fragmented and very disorganized and in someways have been their own worst enemy in that sense. >> clarisa ward, as i say to you every day, be careful over there and we'll stay in close touch. jeb bush still promising to make a major come back but did his latest debate performance doom his campaign? we're getting new reaction and a brawl breaks out in a school lunchroom. a principal was thrown to the ground. what was the police officer doing during the melee?
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tonight, jeb bush is denying that his campaign is on life support, but some of his supporters very worried that his presidential hopes died before their eyes overnight during the latest republican presidential debate. many viewers gave bush's performance a big thumbs down. our senior political correspondent brianna keilar is joining us where bush had an event today. he's promising he can bounce back. what's the latest, brianna? >> reporter: he was certainly clearly frustrated i think you could see today. he wished more substantive questions had been asked at the
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debate but he also was humbled telling the crowd he understood he hadn't performed very well but even as some republicans who have long wanted bush to be the republican nominee are doubting him. he has the money, organization and most importantly the heart to see this campaign through. jeb bush is back on the trail today trying to connect with new hampshire voters. >> it's about fixing problems, solving problems, bringing peel together rather than tearing them apart. it's not about the big personalities on the stage. it's not about performance. it's about leadership. and the leader today in this country needs to be a unifier. >> reporter: this after critics including many republicans are panning his third debate performance. >> i'll running with heart. i'm not a performer. if they are looking for entertainer in chief, i'm probably not the guy. >> reporter: bush struggled to make a mark and gave marco rubio a huge opening. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term
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and you should be showing up to work. literally the senate, is it like a french workweek, yo u get three days to show up. you can campaign or resign and let someone else take the job. >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccann's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is we're running for the same position and someone convinced you attacking me would help you. >> reporter: coming from a man that bush elected. >> the most principled center leader i know marco rubio. >> reporter: but five years and a presidential campaign later. >> his attendance was low prior to the announcement of a campaign and i just think that's wrong. >> reporter: bush, the once presumed front run there raised $25 million for his campaign and backed by a super pact that hauled in more than $100 million had to cut payroll by 40% and dropped shortly by the polls. >> it's not on life support. we have the most money and greatest organization. we're doing fine. >> reporter: some observers are
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including bush's presidential prospects are doomed as he tries to project confidence. >> there are two types of politicians, there are the talkers and the doers. i wish i could talk as well as some of the people on the stage, the big personalities on the stage, but i'm a doer. >> reporter: the jeb bush campaign is really banking on his organization in the early states. bush is going to begin another event here very shortly in new london, new hampshire, not too far from where we are now, a couple hours away, wolf, but he's also got a book coming out monday called reply all about his prolific e-mailing while he was the governor of florida, trying to show that he would really talk to anybody and that's something that i think his campaign is hoping will help him connect with voters in a way that perhaps his debate performance did not. >> we'll see if he can recover from that and i'm sure he's going to work hard to try.
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thanks for that report. as you might expect, donald trump is declaring himself a big winner after last night's debate and making tough new accusations against president obama. our political reporter sarah murray is joining us live from nevada where trump has been campaigning today. what is he saying, sarah? >> reporter: no surprise donald trump does think he won the debate although many others think it was a standout night for marco rubio and ted cruz and trump was actually very complementary toward the other gentlemen and women on stage with him. he talked about solid debate performances from rubio and complimented mike huckabee but had much harsher words for president obama. check out what he said about obama's handling of israel. >> so many friends in israel don't know what happened. they have a president who they actually think obama hates is ra israel. i think he does. this pact is so bad for israel, so dangerous.
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we will save, i think israel, honestly, i think israel is in a massive amount of trouble because of the agreement. >> and you can see there the crowd is pretty responsive to what trump said. he decided to train his fire on the democrats today rather than fellow republicans. >> thank you, sarah. let's talk about the political race with brianna keilar and jeff zellany, iran, you heard trump said he believes obama hates israel. he was very passionate on that. does that resonate with that republican base out there? >> you know, it's interesting. the e van g-- evangelical is proisraeli in a specific way around the vision of what an israeli foreign policy and defense policy should look like.
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look, there is a lot of division in the american jewish community and president obama, i think, has been, has conflicted with prime minister netanyahu quite a bit as did president bill clinton. there is a gap in world view between kind of a israeli closer to the perspective in the u.s. and democratic president. it resonates with portions of the republican base but in kind of the broader jewish electret, there is probably much more of a divide than the past toward an ideal government. >> it doesn't seem to suggest trump is toning it down at all when he declares like that obama hates israel. >> he's not toning it down. donald trump has known what he's doing from comments on immigration and other things. this inflames the base and gives headlines that takes away from other questions we might want to ask about his policies, his specific things on this. i don't think he'll be toning it down but i think we're seeing
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all the republicans are starting to turn their fire towards the democrats. this is not an example of him taking on jeb bush or john kasich. they are going after barack obama and hillary clinton to ramally this base. >> brianna, you've been with jeb bush on the campaign trail today all day he says his campaign isn't on life support. what do the folks around him, including some of his close supporters say? >> reporter: it's interesting, wolf, because the campaign is really emphasizing they have the organization, that he has the heart and also, yes, he does have the money but when you talk to republicans backing a jesh bush run they say it comes down to the money, that there is just lot of it for him in the campaign and the super pact backing him, the super pack backing him raised $100 million. so there is certainly adds ths t by that super pact. they are ready to go it seems for a real winter push, i think into january and talking to
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republican whose support jeb bush they say yes, this ideal no he's not popping in october and november but more debates ahead and it's most important he pops in january ahead of the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary, wolf. >> brianna keeler, thanks very much. we'll continue to watch this race for the white house. just ahead, the sheriff who fired a deputy over this violent arrest of a student talks to cnn about the fallout, are other deputies assigned to the school making changes? plus another new video, a principal thrown to the ground during a fight is raising new questions about school resource officers or deputy sheriffs. rou. suddenly, you're a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip which instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right
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we're following the criminal and civil rights investigation into the violent and controversial classroom arrest of an african american teenager by a white sheriff's deputy. miguel, you just spoke to the sheriff about this case. what did he say? >> reporter: he said look, it has caused a real difficult time in the community here. the sheriff's office is here at a preplanned community event. i was able to speak to him here. parents, he's heard from all side the on this and i spoke to
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parents in the crowd tonight, mostly african american parents said it's unfortunate it came to the firing of ben fields for that video, mostly white parents saying the sheriff should have done a lot more to protect his deputies. the sros themselves, the school resource officers, the hsheriff says they may not like the decision but understand it and will continue doing their jobs. >> none whatsoever. we're going to do our job. we've already expressed that. i want them to do their job. no changes whatsoever and learn from this mistake of their fellow sro. use this as a learning opportunity, and we're going to go forward and keep doing or job. you're not going to see them slow down. you're not seeing them slow down tonight. >> reporter: i want to point out the reason is in that blue apron is because he was serving ice cream and refused to take it off. he wanted to prove he is serving the community here. he did want to make a serious point about that, as well, because they do these sorts of
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events and worked with the community so far along over the years and decades that he's been sheriff for 20 years now, he said they were able to sort of absorb this terrible video that they saw, they were able to absorb this and not have this sort of protest and anger that we have seen in other places in the country. so his advice to other departments out there is be as engaged in the community as possible. >> which is very, have had good advise. thanks very much. let's dig deeper with don lemon, also joining us the former federal prosecutor and legal analyst sunny hostin and jeffrey toobin and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes is with us. his officers are not afraid to go out and do their jobs. they are doing their jobs even though some of them might be concerned they go ahead and get videotaped doing something controversial that could be the end of their career. >> i think the problem in this case, wolf, it seems to
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demonstrate a lack of training or understanding how to deal with a situation. if you have an unruly person in a crowd, classroom, on the street, at a sporting event. you're taught to try to separate the person causing the trouble from the crowd because they will be showing off for the crowd. so in this case, i think he should have asked that administrator and teacher, asked the other students to step out in the hallway and have a talk with this student and find out what's going on and see if it could be deescalated peacefully and have the girl come out of the class peacefully without having to be wrestled out of the chair and wrestled across the room. >> she's a 16-year-old teenager. >> i know, it seems to be mishandled. >> certainly was. jeffrey, the naacp president cornell william brooks told me yet here "the situation room" that the charges against both of these teenage girls who were arrested in that classroom, he believes they should be dropped. what do you think? >> well, just as a general matter, arresting teenagers is
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generally a terrible thing to do when you put teenagers in the criminal justice system, you in effect sentence them to a life of a more difficult, more difficulty getting a job. that's just the general point. as for the specific case, you know, i don't want to sit here in new york city and say what an incident that i didn't see that took place in south carolina, i don't know whether that -- an arrest is justified under those circumstances but i think people should be aware in general that arresting teenagers unless it's a really, really serious offense is something that really society should try to avoid. >> that's good advice, indeed. don, i want to show you and our viewers other video. this is a sacramento principal tossed aside by a student during a fight this week as a school resource officer, that police officer simply stood by. do schools need to rethink how they are using these officers?
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>> they do and even if you speak to the sheriff down in richland county in south carolina, he'll tell you he doesn't believe that the, that his resource officers or his police officers or deputies should be in the classroom as far as disciplining students. they are there to protect students, but when you have this sort of fight in the middle of school, what do you do? because the ad minute stray tors and the teachers are certainly not going to jump in. the principal is not going to jump in to separate. they probably have to end up calling a police officer. i don't know the solution but no one should be tossing anyone around but certainly schools have changed. when i was a kid, i never saw anything like this in any school that i've ever been in and i went to both public and private schools. i think better training is probably the best way to go but when you have someone in school with a uniform, you know, it does sometimes look like the kids are occupied in someway. i don't know what the solution is, wolf. >> sunny, what's your take? >> i mean, i think when you look
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at the violence that we're looking at in this particular video, that is i think the time that a school resource officer would be involved. i don't think a school resource officer should arrest, you know, the south carolina, the young girl that we saw and we've that we've been talking about for a couple of days. i do think the charges should be dismissed. i mean, if that was a very different situation but i think if you're going to have these sort of school safety officers or resource officers there to not enforce necessarily school rules but deal with assaults and crimes like this, this is the prime place for them to be involved. >> because theoretically, they were there at some of the schools, as you know, don, and everyone else because of gang warfare going on in some of the schools. that was presumably why they were initially brought in. i want to show you, don, another video. this is an oklahoma city police
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officer, watch this, working as a school resource officer at a local high school. he's accused of hitting this 16-year-old student twice in the face. the officer has been charged with one count of assault and battery. this is the second assault on a student we've seen on tape in one week. are these school resource officers, don, supposed to keep these students safe? what is going on here? >> they are supposed to keep the students safe. they are not there and shouldn't be there as far as disciplining students. that's left up to the parents. that should be up to the school to decide what the discipline should be and certainly not a physical discipline. when i was in school, teachers could physically discipline us. the nuns could spank us and make us get on our knees and put us in the corner. you can't do that anymore. he said -- now, this is according to him -- that the student took an aggressive
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stance. he's a 25-year veteran. that still does not warrant what happened. >> hold on very quickly. >> you know, i think we need to not put too much faith in these videos. there are no punches on that video. that's a staggered series of still photographs. it may be that he hit him but the video, whatever it is, the collection of still photographs doesn't show that. we need to recognize that individual testimony and all of that matters, too. >> thanks, guys. don will be much more with much more on all of this at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight later on tonight on his program "cnn tonight". a new house speaker takes power and the old one sheds some tears. (vo) what does the world run on?
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history made on capitol hill today as 45-year-old representative paul ryan of wisconsin became the youngest speaker of the house since right after the civil war in the late 1960s. nancy pelosi received 236 votes from the republican majority and elected to congress back in 1998. today, the speaker, ryan promised he won't pass the hard issues facing the country. >> the cynics will scoff. they will say it's not possible. you better believe we're going to try. we will not duck the tough
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issues. we will take them head on. >> there are several ovations as lawmakers said good-bye to former speaker john boehner leaving congress as. >> i would describe my life as a chase for the american dream. it began at the bottom of the hill off the main drag in redding, ohio, a shiny city in its own right. the hill had turns and even a few tears. nothing wrong with that. if you falter, and you will, you can just pick yourself up and dust yourself off because hope always springs eternal. and if you just do the right things for the right reasons, good things will happen this
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could really happen to you. god bless you and god bless our great country. >> senior political reporter manu raja is live on capitol hill. where do we go from here? >> reporter: today is a day of celebration, celebrating 25 years on capitol hill for john boehner and celebrating paul ryan coming into speakership. after today he'll have to make big decisions about funding the house and senate this week but the problem is going to be actually figuring out the program by program funding levels. in addition, highway funding. another big issue that paul ryan will have to deal with. the question will be whether or not he can deal with the same problems that boehner had a very hard time dealing with as speaker for five years. wolf? >> manu, thank you very much. a personal note, a speck thank you to philadelphia for the
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opportunity to meet with some of the aspiring young journalists at temple school of media and communication and to be honored with the luke cline award. it's also heartening to spend time with the next line of producers and reporters who will bring you the news. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. jeb bush rescue late today, will it work. a boeing 767 explodes. more than 100 on board. an eyewitness is "outfront." a wild shootout leaving nine dead in a suburban american strip mall. an exclusive report. let's go "outfront." ♪ >> good evening, i'm erin burnett and i'm "outfront" tonight.

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