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. >> a deadly shootout in waco, texas. cnn has the dramatic video. when the bullets started flying between two rival biker gangs. six months on and still no one has been charged with murder. >> jed man walking. is this the end for jeb bush and his run for the white house? and terror on the tarmac. the engine of a commercial jet catches fire. emergency chutes deploy. dozens evacuate. all moment just before takeoff. hello, everybody. great to have you with us. . i'm john vause. "newsroom l.a." starts right now.
inside a restaurant in a suburban mall, this is the moment a shooting erupts. when it was all over, nine people were dead, almost 200 arrested. the video now as well as never before released details from the police report and why some degrees attorneys say this might actually help prove their clients are innocent. and we should warn you, some viewers will find these graphic images disturbing. >> the showdown was like the gun fight at the o.k. corral. that's how a witness describes the biker massacre to investigators. you don't have to hear the eruption of gun fire to hear the chaos the moment that rival motorcycle clubs unleash a deadly melee. these videos take you inside the twin peaks restaurant in waco,
texas, where nine bikers were killed and the parking lot was turned into a raging war zone. cnn has obtained more than 2,000 pages of document, crime scene photos, many too graphic to show, and surveillance video giving us the most detailed accounts of what unfolded last may. some of the very evidence that a texas grand jury is using to possibly indict the 177 bikers arrested and charged with organized criminal activity. restaurant surveillance cameras show the patio area filled with members of the club waiting for an early afternoon biker meeting to start. they had already been there for more than an hour. the bandito crew rolls in as police and s.w.a.t. team, anticipating violence, are watching from a distance. john wilson is president of the kosax biker club chapter in wake owe. >> i looked out, i was watching.
and he deliberately stared into one of our prospects and hit him. you know, i mean, he wasn't going real fast but he deliberately ran into him with a motorcycle, enough to knock him down. >> the man wilson is talking about is clifford pierce. he refused our interview request haen as not been charged. but in a police department, an investigator wrote pierce said he did not get his foot run over but may not have gotten away fast enough. it didn't matter. the cossack believed the bandit toes ran into one of their goes and the fight was on. one witness said a banditos fired first into the ground. another said a cossack fired first. the rival biker clubs point the finger at each other or claim they didn't see anything. clifford pierce said he hit the dirt and was shot. a bullet hits his spine, leaving pierce paralyzed from the waist down. >> at that time, it was pretty
horrific. there were guys getting hit and falling. i realized that i needed to have get away from where i was. and i looked at a guy to my right -- my left, a good friend of mine. and i told him, we've got to get off the sidewalk or we're going to die here. >> mayhem ensues. a biker running across the patio fires a gunshot caught on camera toward the fight scene in the parking lot. he then stashes the gun. a number of cossack bikers take cover. some slide handgun ace cross the ground to each other. restaurant patrons and twin peak waitresses are stunned and trapped. the scene plays nout gorry detail. you can see a group of bikers pummelling one man just outside the patio area. crime scene photos later show a biker's body left dead in that exact spot. this biker runs towards the camera with a bloody face. another group pulls a wounded man into the patio and they appear to be trying to revive
him. he's then carried away. several defense attorneys tell cnn the video showed most of the bikers there that day were innocent bystanders. >> are you all going to put us in jail? >> yeah, everybody is going to jail. >> the way they handled it with just a mass incarceration of people with million dollar bonds flies in the face of justice and flies in the face of fairness. it's ridiculous. >> reporter: after it was all over, the scene was chaos. dozens of bikers had run inside the restaurant to hide in bathrooms and the twin peaks kitchen. police s.w.a.t. teams move in to round up the crowd. they're escorted out with their hands up. weapons litter the crime scene. knives, brass knuckles and more than 150 firearms everywhere. some even hidden in toilets. it's been more than five month since the twin peaks brawl and all of the bikers are out of jail, out on bond. they were all charged with engaging in organized criminal activity, but not one of them has been indicted by a grand jury yet, and no one has been
charged with murder. in fact, it's still not clear who killed whom. one police report says at least three officers fired into the crowd. and one officer wrote he heard suppressed fire from what i believed to be s.w.a.t. officers with suppressed rifle ps it's likely some bikers were hit by police bullets but as far as we know, ballistics reports have still not been completed to determine that conclusively. police and prosecutors have refused to answer questions, citing a gag order, but waco police have defeated their actions since the beginning. >> this is a criminal element that came to kill people. they came with violence in mind and were ready for it. >> reporter: these images of the brawl tell stories of unbridled pandemoni pandemonium. it was a wild west style shootout in broad daylight.
ed lavendera, cnn, waco, texas. >> does this video now in any way explain why now six months later no one has been charged with murdering even though nine people were killed? >> yes an no. we have to put this in context. there's grand jury hearing. a grand jury in texas justice is 12 people who are em panelled and 99 of the 12 have to vote in favor in order to return an indictme indictment. the prosecutor is there presenting the evidence. and as we can tell in this tape, there's a lot of evidence to be parsed. >> a lot of ballistics, a lot of witnesses. all that kind of stuff. >> and all the videotapes and the reports. and ultimately, what the grand jurors have to decide is not
just, well, did these 177 guys do bad? but who exactly did what. it has to be specific evidence towards an individual. >> so we're now down to our second grand jury there in waco. what is going on? why does this process seem to be taking a long time. is it unusual six months on you don't have murder charges? >> well, it's tough to say. because we don't have insight into what's going on inside that grand jury room. but here's the interesting thing about grand juries is the prosecutor, since there is no defense attorney there, the prosecutor is supposed to be seeking justice. and they have an obligation to present not just evidence towards guilt of particular people, but also if there's any exculpatory evidence. they're duty bound to bring that evidence before the grand jury as well. so that could be part of the delay. but here, we've got 177 people who were swept up in the arrest event that day. and there's nine dead bodies. so when we're talking about the murder charges, obviously, many
of those folks are not going to be defendants in a murder charge. and that's really part of the problem here. >> and all those 177 as we heard from ed lavendera, they're all being released from jail. and they're say they were effectively part of this massive sweep, and their attorneys are say, just because they were there at the scene doesn't necessarily make them guilty. they were just simply bystanders. now the county is liable, at least according to their attorneys, for millions of dollars. >> well, i don't know about that. ultimately that's something that will have to get sorted out with the evidence, but i think the point is valid, that when you make these huge sweeps and you' got 177 people reand you're concerned about nine different murder counts, there's potential for a lot of dolphins to get caught in the tuna net. there's a lot of expressions about the grand jury system in america and a lot of notions that, in fact, it may be broken. but there's an old saying that the grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asked them to.
which makes people skach their head and say why are we here all these months later with no indictments. but ultimately it's up to those 12 people to decide there's enough evidence to allow the case to go forward. the grand jury is really part of a safety valve to make sure that people don't languish away on false charges. >> okay. while they're taking their time, obviously you say there's a lot for them to get through. but clearly six months on, a lot of questions being asked as to why this hasn't moved forward. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. we move on now to the late nest the u.s. presidential race and there is unhappiness among the republican candidates. aides say some campaigns will be meeting in washington on sunday to try to take some control over the debates from the republican national committee. the rnc has not been invited to that meeting. many of the candidates are seething at the host network's cnbc anticipate the moderators and their questions.
>> they're supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what's behind them. and what their thinking process is, what their philosophy is, and what it's turned into is a gotcha. and that's not helpful for anybody. >> maybe the moderator should show they vote (. because why should we have these people that hate everything they stand for and they're i mean -- i won't mention his name, but the questions were so nasty. >> now, despite the tension, it was a good night in boulder, colorado, for ma marco rubio, the florida senator proved to be a favorite, especially with his takedown of his one-time mentor and now apparently one-time friend jeb bush. texas senator ted cruz scored big by attacking the immediate aye and t -- media and the moderators.
donald trump and ben carson were relatively quiet. 14 million viewers turned into this debate. that was a record for cnbc. and they tuned in to see jeb bush have a really bad night. the day after debate night, the campaign is in damage control. >> it's not on life support. we have the most money, we have the greatest organization. we're doing fine. >> jeb bush is back on the trail trying to convince voters his campaign is not on life support. >> it's not about the big personalties on the stage. it's not about performance pit's about leader ship. >> now some political observers are concluding that bush's presidential prospects are doomed, even though he tries to project confidence that he can make a comeback. >> there are two kinds of politicians. there are the talkers and there are the doers. i wish i could talk as well as some of the people on the stage, the big personalities on the stage. but i'm a doer.
>> many republicans are panning his third debate performance. >> i'm not a performer. if they're looking for an entertainer in chief, i'm probably not the guy. >> bush, the once presumed fr t front-runner who raised $25 million for his campaign and backed by a super pac that hauled in more than $100 million has had to cut payroll costs by 40% and has dropped sharply in the polls. wednesday, bush struggled to make a mark and gave marco rubio a huge opening. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. and you should be showing up to work. literally, the senate, what is it? like a french work week. you get three days where you have to show up. you can campaign, or just resign and let someone else take the job. >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is we're running for the same position and someone convinced you this attack would help you. >> it must have stung more coming from a man that mentored
rubio and helped him get to the senate. >> as bush stressed he has the organization, the money and the heart to continue with his campaign, those republicans who are backing him really stress the money aspect of that, saying that he's in an enviable position between the funds that his campaign has and the $100 million that the super pac backing him has raked in. brianna keilar, cnn, portsmouth, new hampshire. >> fire ball on the runway. the engine of a boeing 757 burst into flames. we look at what may have gone wrong. also, china announces an end to one of the world's biggest attempts at social engineering. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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just moments before takeoff, this boeing 6767 with more than 100 people onboard catches fire. smoke billowing from one of the engines. 17 people including a child were hurt in a scramble to get off the plane. randi kaye has more on what may have gone wrong. >> reporter: a pilot with a keen eye notices the first sign of
trouble, fuel leaking from the plane taxiing in front of him. dynamic airways flight 405. he radios it in. >> dynamic out of the left engine, looks like it's leaking a lot of -- i don't know, if it's fuel. it's fluid leaking out of the left engine. >> air traffic controllers contact flight 405. >> zdynamic do you copy? >> yes, sir, we copy. we probably need to go back to the ramp. >> reporter: but before they could -- >> engine is on fire, engine is on fire. >> our units deployed. within two minutes our first units were on scene. >> there, they find a boeing 767 on fire, right on the runway at fort lauderdale hollywood international airport. thick black smoke spewing out of the jet's left side and into the sunny florida sky. all of it forcing an evacuation of the 101 passengers and crew. the jet's emergency slides are
deployed. within minutes, everyone is out. some lucky enough to simply walk away. others were taken on stretchers and in wheelchairs. more than a dozen were taken to the hospital. one with serious burns. meantime, fire crews doused the plane with water. and special white foam to knock the fire down. it covers the tarmac but leaves the plane burned out left engine on full display. the plane was taxiing out for takeoff on its way from florida to caracas venezuela when the engine suddenly caught fire. passengers on other airplanes nearby captured the terrifying scenes. posting pictures and video on twitter, many writing simply, plane on fire. both runways were closed, the airport shut down until late afternoon when the north runway is reopened. at least 111 flights delayed,
nearly 50 cancelled. and we're learning more about dynamic airways. it only started about five years ago. it has two international destinations from the united states. one from venezuela, where this plane was going and the other to g guiana. we tried calling the airline for some comments on what happened here. they would not comment at all. reporting from fort lauderdale hollywood international airport, i'm randi kaye, back to you. >> thank you. we go to china now where for decades the communist government has restricted most families to just one child. but now couples will be allowed two children. officials say it's because of an aging population in the next 15 years. it's estimated chinese aged over 60 will number more than 400 million. china's population right now is more than 1.3 billion. and we go live to hong kong.
and a sociologist joins us. thank you for being with us. china has been relaxing the laws for year when it comes to the one child policy. has this decision now to scrap it all together come as a surprise? >> well, no. i mean, people have been talking for many, many years about the importance of abolishing the one-child policy. this policy has been in place for about 35 years. but it was that this announcement suddenly came last night i think surprised quite a few people, including myself. although government officials had been talking about it for years, they just suddenly announced it without warning. and it is a really historic move. >> yeah, it's all about the economy, really, which coincidentally way back in 1979 when the policy was introduced
in the first place, it was also all about the economy. >> well, i don't think it is all about the economy. it's certainly about maintaining china's long-term growth. but in order to maintain that economic growth, china has to have a growing population. it has to have a growing work force, gt right kinds of people in the work force. the aging of the population, the shrinking of the workforce, falling birthrates. those are really severe challenges for china. >> and there is a lot of debate about whether this pop laying has work pd .experts say the population would have declined anyway and the one-child policy was simply cruel and unnecessary. >> yes. well, i certainly believe so. you see that fertility rates
have fallen in a lot of other countries that didn't have such draconian population planning policies like forcing women to have abortions, which happened routinely, especially in the 1980s. you know, sex-selective abortion as parents wanted to have a coveted boy instead of a girl. so yes, it's been extremely controversial. it's caused a lot of harm to the population. >> and this shortage of girls, which is a direct result of this one-child policy. families wanted a boy to keep the family going. they found a boy to be the best way to support the family. girls are seen as a liability. but now there's a huge ratio of more men to women and that's going to be a problem for a very long time in china. >> certainly. i mean, the official news agency in china just said that there are 30 million more men than
women in china now. and that means that 30 million men will not be able to find brides. and this is a real -- this has been identified as the communist party as a severe threat to social stability. and so that certainly is one of the reasons why the chinese government has decided to just completely abolish the one child policy now. >> yeah, with numbers like that, it makes it hard to get a date for the prom. thanks for being with us. if if you want to see the immediate impact of beijing's announcement, shares in mead johnson nutrition which makes baby formula in china jumped by 1%. why so many will be let go at the same time. also still to come, apple wants
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>> welcome back, everybody. i'm john vause with the headlines this hour. in the u.s., the number of presidential campaigns say they're frustrated with the way recent debates have been going. they say they'll meet sunday in washington to try to take more control from the republican national committee. the rnc has not been invited to that meeting. some candidates slammed cnbc' moderators for asking what they considered to be gotcha questions. in fort lauderdale, florida, a commercial padgett caught fire
with about 100 people onboard. officials say 17 people were injured including a child. the dynamic international air y airways flight burst into flames as the plane taxied for takeoff. an investigation is under way. cnn has obtained exclusive surveillance video of a deadly biker brawl in waco, texas. almost 200 people were arrested. it's been more than five months now and so far no one has been charged in connection to those deaths. in new hampshire, a judge sentenced a graduate of an elite prep school to one year in jail for sexually assaulting an underaged classmate. lawyers for 19-year-old owen le breem is appealing that decision. he was convicted in august for luring a then 15-year-old girl into a sexual encounter last year. in the next few days in the u.s., they will start to address what is the highest
incarceration rate in the world with 1.5 million inmates, almost a quarter of the world's entire prison population is right here in to the united states. about 6,000 prisoners are now slated for early release starting friday. possibly the biggest one-time release ever of federal prisoner ps. it's part of a plan to reduce overcrowding but also provide some relief of drug offenders on the receiving end of what's now considered to be overly harsh sentences. prison cells are often filled with nonviolent criminals and sometimes those who are innocent, like ryan banks who joins me in los angeles. he was wrongly accused, charged and convicted of rape and finally exonerated. i wanted to talk about your time actually in prison. with your experience with the criminal justice system, how many people are locked up, not just who are innocent like yourself but people who shouldn't be there because their crimes are petty but because
there are tough laws on the books somewhere. >> i can't give you an exact number of how many people are wrongfully convicted or currently in prison now for crimes they didn't commit. what i can say is there is a percentage, 95 to 97% of all people who have been charged with a criminal case, it ends in some form of a plea bargain. it never even goes to trial. we watch that last moment in law and order where they're in a trial setting, that's only 3% to 5% of all cases in the united states. that doesn't mean people are guilty. that means some people are being exhausted into deals, feared into deals or forced into some sort of a plea bargain. i think plea bargain is one of the bigger issues that we should be discussing as well as the systematic problem that continues to keep that revolving door of men and women in and out of prison. >> what are youl thoughts now on the 6,000 inmates who are about to be released. we should note that this is a
federal prison that they're being released from, not the state prisons. >> yes. it's an interesting move. you know, i think california has the most people incarcerated in one single space than anywhere in the entire world. and all of that takes place in our prisons. not in our federal prisons but in our state prisons. i've had a firsthand encounter of being there myself as a wrongfully convicted man. being in prison, being in dorms, being in jim naz y comes where thereby three-tiered bunk beds inside of a gym. you ask yourself, are all these people committing these crimes? and if so, what kind of rehabilitation are we providing them? i think the question is not -- one of the bigger thing, and i will say this, i think we need to eliminate the stigma being created around our prisons and with our people who fill those prisons. we've built this safety net
around our communities where if we see someone with bars in front of them or handcuffs on their arms or behind a police inside of a car, we automatically assume those people are guilty. we assume they're supposed to be there. since we think they're supposed to be there, we don't ask where they're going, how long they're going there and for what reason. we just think we're safe. >> someone once said, people are sent to prison as punishment, not for punishment. . but in your case, you were exonerated. you were accused, charged and sentenced for rape. and you actually served five years probation, missed out on a career playing for the nfl. so how did you clear your name? >> you know what, though the grace of god. that's the only way i can say it. there was no special law. there was no special guideline that got me out other than this woman who made the false accusations coming forward and admitted she lied about everything. but not everyone is that lucky.
for example, there's a california 12. they're fighting for 12 wrongfully convicted men and women who have exhausted all efforts towards their exoneration. they' gone through the chain of chain of command in the court system and now they're begging for clemency from the government. >> however crowd d crowded are the prison systems and filled with impeachment who just should not be there. how awful is it? >> it's pretty awful. i met some of the most interesting people behind bars. during my time there. some of the smartest, most kindest, wisest people. i've met behind bars, even the officers. there is a balance, but the bigger issue, i saw a meem that made me laugh, the meme was a crowd of people standing there. there was a mannen othe podium, he asked the question, who wants change. everyone raised their hands. and he says who wants to change and only a few people raised their hands.
so we can sit here and talk about all the people that need to be fixed but until we make the change as a nation, as a society, none of us will change. >> there's a real problem with essentially a prison industry in this country. brian, thank you for coming in. wish you all the best of luck. i know you're working with the nfl now. your career is on track. and, you know, ten hellish years. but things have improved. >> uh poer of choice. >> we'll take a short break. they're talking in vienna to try to end the daily hell in syria. and there's a new player at the table that may make a difference. >> also meet red an american volunteer fighting isis in syria. do you know the secret to a happy home in these modern times?
u.s., russia, saudi arabia and other nations trying to find a solution to this crisis. western powers are pushing for a way forward without president bashar al assad, but russia and iran are his biggest supporterers and so far have showed no hints that they ear ready to abandon syria's dictator. according to the united nations, the death toll from syria's civil war stands at 250,000. new video out of syria shows chaos after multiple air strike at a town in aleppa province. witnesses blame the strikes on russian airplanes. if con nirmed, the air strikes would be the further south russian jets have struck since the campaign began a month ago. moscow denies its bombings have resulted in any civilian casualties. russian president vladimir putin is, quote, winging it in syria. the director of national intelligence james clapper spoke exclusively to cnn's jim schuto. >> we're expected to know that a
decision has been made by a foreign head of state before he makes it. putin's case in point. i think he's very impulsive, very opportunistic. it's a debate, but i personally question whether he has some long-term strategy or whether he is, you know, being very opportunistic on a day to day basis. and i think his intervention into syria is another manifestation of that. >> clacher also says the u.s. intelligence community was not surprised when russia started to launch air strikes in syria a month ago. the pentagon says u.s. forces are involved in isis fighters in iraq. ashton carter says the commander killed just days ago in an operation to rescue hostages died in combat. carter added the american public can expect to see more raids on the ground against isis.
at american army veteran is back on the battlefield. he's joined kurdish forces to fight isis. and he spoke about why he's willing to risk his life on the frontlines. >> randy roberts has spent much of the last seven months on frontlines. the former u.s. army specialist was studying graphic design in the u.s. when he decided to join the fight against isis. >> i felt i could, given my past military experience and i've been to this region before, that i could contribute. and i could actually help the cause. >> how did you get guidance as to how to get here, who to link up with? >> well, google. >> goog snl that's how you planned your trip to come and fight isis? >> believe it or not, yes.
i simply looked up werners who had come over here before me. >> roberts is one of more than 100 werners who have come to syria and iraq to fight with kurdish forces. the internet is full of slickly produced ypg propaganda videos featuring american volunteers. there's even a website selling isis hunting kits and offering packing lists on what to bring. at a small training camp in northern syria, we watched some new recruits. among them, two americans. most did not want to show their faces, unlike robert, few had any military experience. >> and you also meet a lot of people who think this is going to be the gaming experience, call of duty. they think because they understand how to pull the trigger on a controller that they know how to do it in real life. >> always elbows in and tight to
your body. >> roberts believes the most valuable gift he can offer kurdish fighters and his fellow volunteers is training. >> so when you need to reload, take a knee behind cover, mag out, up, stock in here. >> while some kurdish fighters welcome western volunteers as a morale boost, others have dismissed their presence as a nuisance. >> do you think you have helped? >> i believe, yes, i have. >> but some people would say this isn't your war, this isn't your business. >> it's better to stand up and do something if you think you can help than just sit back and watch because hey, it's on the other side of the world, not my problem. >> certainly the risks are real. one american, keith broomfield, died fighting along kurdish fighters this past summer in syria. and roberts has seen himself how tenacious an enemy isis can be. >> outside of the mines placed to keep us from advancing on these villages.
they also have little trenches that they hide in. so then they pop-up and machine gun fire. >> has it ever crossed your mind that you could get killed? >> yeah. yeah. >> that's a price you would be willing to pay? >> yes. if i got to the end of my life and i hadn't come -- and i looked back on this and i had chose not to come out, then it would have bothered me. like it would have bother m.d. efor the rest of my life. >> for randy roberts, being here is a moral duty. clarissa ward, cnn, northern syria. >> when we come back, apple tv says it's about to get a whole lot better. details after the break. >>'ll, it's the latest move towards a wireless war. o, many cold medicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp.
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homes for sale in your neighborhood. there's apps to look up recipes and what to cook for dinner. there's lots of companies in this space that are making their own versions of these devices. amazon and google and roku and others. but apple is so big, has such immense scale that every move it makes is closely studied by the television world and by the tech world. and you can tell they're becoming more ambitious about tv with all the new features in this new box. i spoke with a senior vice president of the company about what is new about it. >> you say the future of tv is apps. what does that mean as a practical matter. >> if you think about when we started this with phones, it let things be created that we couldn't think of. and in tv that hasn't been available. tv has been a closed environment. we've been able to get the channels that were coming in. you had to get them through a single cable and satellite provider and they was the ecosystem. and now it allows people like espn and cnn to create
incredible apps that cannot just be viewing cnn live but, for example, can make it interactive. somebody is watching this interview and the app could do things like -- people can give it a thumb's up or a thumb's down. you're on air live. if you're getting feedback from customer, they might bf asking for more information or driving into a different way. >> so you might do a longer segment if people are really reacting strongly to what the guest is saying? >> that's right. >> and there's no way to do that today, but the technology is there. this is the first time that it's going to be available on a tv. >> is this a supplement to my set top box that i have for my cable company. or do you envision apple tv as a replacement? >> right now, it probably is an add-on for most people. because if you want to watch things like watch espn or the abc or cnn channel, you have to authenticate using your cable of satellite prescription.
>> apple is known as being a closed system. isn't it too difficult to bring my cable subscription and authenticate with the user name and password. >> those are things we will always continue to make better and innovate and continue to make better. but we made it very easy, again, having all the channels available to you. and in some cases you sub krieb by an apple button. you just have a button and you subscri subscribe. >> for most people, you keep your set top box. is the end goal to get rid of it? >> this is a much better experience for consuming content. whether you're consuming a channel like espn today on your cable and satellite subscription, it's much better >> do you think apple tv needs exclusive programming in order to thrive? does it need to be apps or shows that i really can't find anywhere else?
we try to let developers do what they can't do nib anywhere el. we're going to keep adding features and functions. and it's great because it's software. so we update it just like we do with your phone. >> there have been rumors that apple is going to get into licensing, financing tv shows. can you clear it up for us, is that true? owe owe we love working with our partners. we're great with technology and they're great at creating content. we think that's a great partnership to have. >> right now, apple tv is a supplement, a compliment to your existing set top box at home. most people still have a set top box and that's the main way people consume tv. apple is getting more and more serious about this television space. maybe one day they want you to
throw away that set top box and go ahead and subscribe to cnn or the cable universe directly through apple tv. there's also a rumor that they may make their own shows like "house of cards" or "orange is the new black." when i asked him about that, he kind of side stepped the question, said that apple is happy working with other partners that actually make the programming. but thing thing is clear, apple is trying to revolutionize tv. it's taking a series of steps in that direction with there new box. but it's not all the way there yet. and if we know one thing about apple and its biggest competitors, it's that they have an enormous amount of power to shape and then reshape the way we all watch tv or listen to music or make phone calls. there's definitely more change on the horizon. back to you. >> thank you for that. some are calling it the next
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