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spooky. come on in. >> this is lou. >> elvis is in the building. >> some morning shows go all out for halloween. we just make the crew do something that could take under an. >> what is that? just a face that is an eye? you know it is an improvement. to be honest. >> time now for carol costello. >> ooh carol. scary mask. >> -- she refuses to be seen on camera. >> ah. >> but she looked interesting. >> i'm going to her office now. >> have a great day. newsroom starts now. happening now in the newsroom, an american executive in prison in iran this morning. why? his family doesn't even know. and his arrest as america negotiates with iran about what to do in syria.
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also jeb bush trying to smile through headlines about a weak debate performance, low energy and dipping poll numbers. >> it is not on life support. we have the most money. we have the greatest organization. we're doing fine. >> this morning a leaked memo gives us an insider look at his plan of attack. and knives, guns, blood and fear. new saurveins video of a biker brawl that left nine dead, 177 arrested, 480 weapons found and still no one has been charged with murder. let's talk, live in the cnn news ram.charged with murder. let's talk, live in the cnn news ram. thank you for joining me. breaking news right now. an american businessman is reportedly being held behind bars in iran. here is what we know. according to reports he was taken into custody while visiting his family in teheran.
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it is believed the man, who holds dual citizenship in both countries was detained by security forces. he's now believed to be in prison there. the big question, why was he detained? all of this escalating tension played out on the world stage. for the first time iran meets with american diplomats to discuss the worsening crisis in syria. the goal as secretary of state kerry says, "chart a course out of hell." we're covering this as cnn only can. let's begin with cnn international correspondent in vienna where the peace talks are playing out. tell us about the latest developments surrounding this american businessman. >> reporter: absolutely, carol. some major developments and it is certainly something playing
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out here in vienna as well. in fact there was a meeting last night between secretary of state cree akerry and the iranian foreign minister. they put out a statement saying one of the things they talked about was the continued detention of american citizens in iran. of course it is a big issue. now about this new case for this american executive, there isn't very much information that we're getting from the iranians, which on the one hand has to do with the fact that on friday all their judiciary and public o offices are closed. but also what we've seen in the past is they generally give out very little information about cases like this one. they don't have press releases. they don't even say if this person has been charged what he might have been charged with. very difficult to get information. from the reporting so far, seems as though he was detained about two weeks ago and also his passport was confiscated prior to his detention. there is some sources within iran saying this could be
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something playing out with the hard liners in iran who were very much skeptical about the nuclear agreement between the iranians and the u.s. and trying to play hardball with the moderates. but it is certainly something being talked about here in convenevienna as these parties come to an agreement. of course the big stumbling block is the future of president bashar al assad. what happens to him? iranians, who are taking part for the first time in this format are saying they could live with some six month transition but they do feel bashar al assad should be part of that. the americans saying assad has to go. that is the big stumbling block here. no one really believes there is going to be some resolution at the meeting here but senior
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diplomats say if this meeting doesn't completely collapse, if they decide to keep talking, that in itself will already be progress, carol. >> reporting live this morning. those peace talks as the civil war in syria worsens and the death toll rises. earlier today more than fifty people were killed after government strikes hit a market in the city of duma. 200 others were wounded. these pictures show the aftermath of that marketplace. the street filled with debris. peace talks in vienna are a world away, though they come at the critical time. >> this is a human catastrophe unfolding before our eyes in the 21st century. my friends, the challenge we face in syria today is nothing less than to chart a course out of hell. >> that hell perhaps worsened by russia's escalating military intervention in syria.
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cnn's national security correspondent sat down for an interview with the director of national intelligence to talk about that it. james clapper. what did he say? >> this is a guy who's been in intelligence for decades and one of the most difficult things he has to do is to judge the intention of foreign leaders and he say that is particularly difficult with putin because he says he has such a tight circle of advisors advising him or challenging him on these decisions. he called it a the decisional bubble. but he's a guy in intelligence for a long time. he's got a lot of skill in measuring up people. he said in his terms that vladomir putin he finds opportunistic, impulsive. a great example he says is in syria where he says putin being opportunistic there and really doesn't have a long-term plan. here is how he put it. >> we're expected to know that a
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decision has been made by a foreign head of state before he makes it. putin's case in point. i think he's very impulsive. very opportunistic. i -- it is a debate but i personally question whether he has a long-term strategy. and i think his intervention into syria is another manifestation of that. those things are hard to predict when there is a very, very -- in this his case a very very small cloister of people around him. unlike our president, he is not subjected to a steady stream of bad news. that is not a good thing for his intelligence services to do. so he's very much i think in a sort of a decisional bubble. and he makes these decisions on pretty much on his own. >> do you think he has a plan for syria? >> what his long term plan is? i'm not sure he has one. i think he's kind of winging
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this day to day. >> kind of winging this day to day. it certainly doesn't bode well for the progress in those peace talks when you have that added military intervention. i will say, carol i asked about u.s. intelligence, whether he, whether the president was surprised by russian military action in syria. he said no. he said they saw it coming. he said they informed the president. they were aware in advance. >> thank you. the risk of a government shut down has been reduced after the senate aproovd a two year deal on the budget. 64-35, lawmakers backed the package which will suspend the debt limit through march 2017 and also increase federal spending for domestic and defense programs more than 80 billion dollars over the next two years. the bill now goes to president obama. and in a statement this morning the president said in part this agreement is a reminder that washington can still choose to help rather than hinder
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america's progress. and i look forward to signing it into law. among the senators voting no on the budget deal, marco rubio, the florida lawmaker who's come under heavy scrutiny for skipping votes while running for president heading to iowa today. but not before running to washington to make his voice heard on a deal he called flawed. even though rubio is not the top choice for caucus goers he has now climbed into double digits. and marco rubio will be the only in iowa today. for more on that i want to bring in sarah murray. >> reporter: today rubio's campaign is is stressing it was an important vote. he wanted to be there to vote no on the debt ceiling increase. but like he said. plenty of other candidates in iowa today.
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chris christie, carly fiorina, rick santorum and all are jockeying, to improve performance a of the debate. >> bush reaching out to reassure skiddish donors. >> look we got eight more debates. i'm going to do v to do what other candidates do, which is rudely interrupt, not answer the questions that are asked. and hopefully the debate moderators will ask substantive questions as well. it's going fine. >> who saw the debate last night? >> donald trump declaring victory. >> and who won the debate? >> once again touting online surveys deeming him the winner. >> we won every online poll. drudge, time magazine, every week. >> while on twitter attacking his critics, calling politico losers after the news outlet
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declared his debate performance, quote, downright demure. but some candidates are calling for changes to upcoming debates. >> debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates. and what it's turned into is a gotcha. several republican presidential campaigns will meet on sunday in washington in hopes of gaining more control over the debate process. >> the people of new jersey determined i'm successful. elected me twice. >> this in the "new york times" calling for governor chris christie to drop out. telling him go home and focus on troubles in new jersey rather than his vanity project presidential run. >> if "new york times" hates me that means i'm really getting someplace. >> and jeb bush looking to regroup.
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part of it is going after rubio but another part quieting the donors. the campaign says the discipline matters so they're looking to avoid dust ups like that in the future. >> still to come in the newsroom. passengers are sent scrambling off their flight after their plane burst into flames and the whole thing is caught on camera. we've got a live update on those injured. ♪ while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far. the next wave of the internet requires the next wave of security.
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confirming floyd ray cook is dead. the 62-year-old is a convicted rapist and robber. also indicted this summer for tracking amphetamine. he allegedly shot on the police officer on saturday and then another altercation also shooting at the police officer before taking off on foot. eventually made his way to a home and asked a couple for a ride believe it or not. they fortunately recognized him and immediately called police. as we're looking at picture of the cory valencia, he was wearing a bullet proof vest. so he is okay. and then just after midnight cook was spotted off highway 61. he reportedly had a handgun and fired. and they returned fire eventually taking him down. officials say that while they are glad this ordeal is over this isn't exactly the way they wanted this to end. >> ultimately we hate that this
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ended regardless of who he was and what his history was. he hate that it ended this way. that is not what we want, ever. so i think it's important to know that. but i would say that -- that there is a feeling of relief that it is over, that the community is safer now. just because we found him. >> now we showed you a picture earlier just a few moments ago of a man and woman. those are actually two accomplices of his. both face serious charges. they also had their own altercation with police. eventually both of them got caught. you could imagine a lot of relief in that community today carol. >> absolutely. in leisuss than an hour fro
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now officials to speak about a plane fire. another plane behind the plane noticed a fuel leak. moments later the plane was on fire forcing those on board to escape. alina machida from fort lauderdale airport. we're having technical difficulties with her live shot. but she did prepare a taped story. >> terrifying video capturing flames and smoke shooting out of flight 405 just before takeoff. pangs forced to escape down evacuation chutes. >> i turned around, saw the lights, saw flames. ran to the front of the aircraft. >> we saw the
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people started freaking out. >> screams and people crying and i didn't know how to react. >> now ntsb trying to determine why the left engine began leaking fuel just before takeoff bursting into thes flames. a pilot trailing flight 405 was the first to spot trouble. >> out of left engine looks like it is leaking a lot of, i don't know if it's fuel but it is fluid of the left engine. >> moments later. >> engines on fire. >> emergency responders arriving within minutes dousing the engine with foam and extinguishing the fire. passengers on the plane nearby capturing the chaos. 17 people injured in the melee were hospitalized. including one child and a trauma patient. >> most are musculoskeletal. ankles, knees, elbows. >> abrasions. a fracture. but in general everybody was very nervous and shaken up.
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>> the incident closing fort lauderdale hollywood international airport for hours. leading to 219 flight delays and 43 canceled flights. >> that is alina machado reporting. at the top of the next hour airport officials will holds a news conference. we'll take you live when it starts. still to come. bloody and horrific don't even begin to describe it. inside a chilling biker gang shoot out that left nine dead.
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gop campaigns plotting a challenge against the republican national committee. they blame the rnc for cnbc's much criticized debate.
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the rnc works with the network to come up with rules. ben carson is in. >> we'll be reaching out to all the campaigns. everybody that was on that stage. and specific things we're looking for are first of all moderators who are interested in actually getting the facts and not "gotcha" questions. and we're looking for an opportunity to actually be able so explain what your program is, what your philosophy for leadership is. >> while the republican candidates have called out cnbc, they have also called out fox. who can forget donald trump's criticism towards megyn kelly. >> the questions to me were not nice. i didn't think they were appropriate. and i thought megyn -- i think megyn behaved very badly personally. >> what about the question about women? >> i thought it was an unfair question. they didn't ask though quse of y
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else. >> word is representatives will meet sunday in washington to rest control over debate formats from the republican national committee. bill carter is the cnn contributor and reporter for the "new york times." good morning. >> good morning. >> in your mind who should control how to debates are structured? the campaigns? the rnc? the networks. >> i don't see how it can be the campaigns? the campaign will only want their hand picked moderators. and i don't think anyone would two along with that. to me it has to be the national committee and the networks together deciding how they are going to hajd it. i think there is a justifiable complaint about this debate. it was unprofessional. a lot of the questions did seem frivolous. but you can't now say the candidates are going to take over the debate format. it just won't work.
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you know, what we'll ask whatever yes questions you want us to. >> who would think that's valuable to anybody? >> not many people. but although ted cruz thought only republican moderators should ask republican debate questions. >> there is that conservative media. they can appear on that if they don't want to reach a wider audience. but they want to reach a wider audience so you can't just have your own people asking questions. >> there was a fox debate too. and. >> in the fox debate the moderators took it very seriously and asked for pointed questions and really didn't let up on anybody. they asked serious challenging questions. they are supposed to be challenged. it is not oh let's give your position paper.
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we want to press you on things that maybe have come out in the press. maybe you have said something we need to question. maybe there is something in your plan that doesn't work out. we have to ask those things. >> you envision a day when candidates will get tired of these gotcha questions and say, you know, what we're just not going to participate? >> well think about this what else is happening. there are o candidates who weren't on the main stage. and they weren't on the main stage. they would love to be asked a gotcha question as long as it was in prime time. so the opportunity to do well is going to draw people into the debates. do you think mark rubio is disappointed he showed up for this debate? i think he felt he did himself a lot of good. so the candidates do see an opportunity but they all want to work the referees. like any contest. >> thanks for your insight. >> great to be with you carol.
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and good morning, i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. it was one of the deadliest days in u.s. biker history. nine people dead. more than 100 arrested after a shootout between rival clubs at a waco texas strip mall. months later though no charges in the deaths and few details are actually known thanks to a gag order on police and prosecutors. but new video obtained by cnn is shedding light on the chaos as it unfolded. we want to warn you some of the images you are about to see are graphic. >> the showdown was like the gunfight at the o.k. corral. that is how a witness describes the biker massacre to investigators. you don't have to hear the eruption of gunfire to feel the chaos the moment rival motorcycle clubs unleash a deadly melee. these videos take you inside the twin peaks restaurant in waco texas where nine bikers were killed and the parking lot was
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turned into a raging war zone. cnn has obtained more than 2,000 pages of document, crime scene photo, many too graphic to show. and surveillance photo giving the most detailed accounts of what unfolded last may. the very evidence a texas grand jury is using to indict the 170 bikers arrested and charged. videos show the area filled with members of the club waiting for a meeting to start. they had already been there for more than an hour. the bandito club rolls in as police anticipating watching from a distance. >> the lead guy on that -- you know, i looked out. i was watching and he deliberately steered into one of our prospects and hit him.
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deliberately ran into him. enough to knock him down. >> in a police report an investigator said pierce said he did not get his foot run over but may not have gotten out of way fast enough. it didn't matter. the banditos believed one man was in trouble and it was over. >> in dozens of police interviews the rival biker clubs point the finger at each other or claim they didn't see anything. >> clifford pierce says he hit the dirt and was shot. a bullet hits his spine, leaving pierce paralyzed from the waste down. >> at that time it was pretty horrific. there are guys getting hit and falling. and i realized that i needed to
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get away from where i was. and i looked to the guy to my right -- my left. a good friend of mine. and i told him. i said we got to get off the sidewalk or we're going to die here, you know. >> mayhem ensues. a biker running across the patio fires a gunshot caught on camera towards the fight scene in the parking lot. he then stashes the gun. a number of cossack bikers take cover. some slide handguns across the ground to each other. restaurant staff and waitresses are stunned and trapped. the scene plays out in gory detail. you can see a group of bikers pummelling one man outside the patio area. and crime scene photos later show a body in that exact spot. another group pulls a wounded man into the patio and they appear to be trying to revive him. he's then carried away. most of the bikers there that
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day were innocent bystanders. >> y'all going to put us in jail? >> yeah everybody's going to jail. >> the way they handled it with just the mass incarceration of people with million dollar bonds flies in the face of justice and flies in the face of fairness. it is ridiculous. >> after it was all over the scene was chaos. dozens of bikers had run inside the restaurant to hide in bathrooms. in the twin peaks kitchen. s.w.a.t. teams move in. naive, brass knuckles and more than 150 firearms everywhere. some even hidden in toilets. >> it's been more than five months since the brawl and all of the bikers are out of jail out on bond. they were all charged with engaging in organized criminal activity but not one has been indicted by a grand jury yet and no one has been charged with murder. in fact it is still not clear who killed whom.
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>> one police report says at least three officers fired into the crowd and one officer wrote he heard suppressed fire from what i believe to be s.w.a.t. officers with suppress rifles. ballistics reports have not been completed to determine conclusively. police and prosecutors have refused to answer questions about the investigation siting a gag order but waco police have defended their actions since the beginning. >> this is a criminal element that came here to kill people. they are not here to drink beer and eat barbecue. they came with violence in mind and we're ready for it. >> all these bikers starting shooting. they put us in a freeze. >> it was a wild west style shoot out in broad daylight. >> just incredible. ed lavandera joins now.
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i know autopsies have been done. is that telling investigators anything about who shot who? >> in the forms we look at it showed that four out of the nine killed that day at the twin peaks restaurant were killed according to the autopsy forums by a single gunshot. obviously in circles they are convinced that that is kind of evidence that police were involved in those -- that part of the shooting. many defense attorneys have told us the same thing but at this point we just don't know. the ballistics information we don't have. we're not sure if it's been completed or if that is something prosecutors and investigators have at this point. and it is something that the grand jury is seeing. we simply don't know that part of it. and obviously the ballistics aspect here is going to be the most crucial part of that investigation in determining who killed whom. still to come in the newsroom, a polish priest fired for being gay slams the vatican
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a gay priest fired from the vatican is speaking out, condemning what he calls the catholic church's violence towards homosexuals. he made the shocking decision to come out earlier this month as bishoping with gathering at the vatican for a month long meeting. the same day he sent a letter to pope francis accusing the church of making life hell for gay people. saying if they don't respect the nature of homosexual people, i refuse such salvation. i refuse it on behalf of god.
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delia, has there been any response from the vatican to this letter? >> reporter: the vatican has said they have no comment on the letter other than what he already said when he came out at the beginning of this month. and at that time they called his actions very serious and irresponsible. particularly because as you mention for the vatican the timing was aimed to exert undue pressure on this gather iing to discuss among other things the church's approach to gays and lesbians. the monsignor did give an interview. lest take a listen to some of what he said. >> translator: the problem is what the church has done with our normal homosexuality. when they slander it label it something inhuman or even more, presenting ausz enemies of family, enemies of the church.
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presenting us as not human beings or people who are inferior. >> and carol, we've said that there has been no official response yet to the monsignor's letter. but i wouldn't rule out once the dust settles and knowing this pope that there might not be some kind of a personal meeting because clearly this is one of his priests who has felt distressed and excludeds and pope francis has wanted to reach out that those in that situation. so perhaps a personal meeting down the line between the pope and the monsignor. carol? still to come, russia's growing military foothold in syria. does putin have a long-term plan or is he just winging it? grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us.
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he's just winging it. that's how the director of national intelligence describes russian president vladomimir p n putin's strategy in syria. in an exclusive interview with cnn east chief national security score respondent jim sciutto, james clapper describes putin as opportunistic and impulsive. >> i think he's very impulsive, opportunistic. it is a debate but i personally question whether has a long-term strategy. and his think his manifestation into se-- going into the syria a manifestation. i think he's kind of winging this day to day.
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>> interesting. in the meantime the crisis worsens and the death toll rises in syria. secretary of state kerry holds peace talks in vienna. and for the first time iran will be at the table along with a dozen other arab and european countries. joining me now to talk about all of this, cnn military analyst. welcome. >> good morning. >> vladimir putin is just winging it in syria, so one day he decided wow, what could make the united states mad, i think i'll start fighting in syria? is that what clapper is talking snbt. >> i'm not sure it is. if it is i would disagree. i think putin has a very valid strategy which is taking russia from interest strategic defensive into the strategic offensive. we've seen him not only do what he's doing in syria, threaten the use of nuclear weapons, become reininvolved in what's called frozen conflicts in
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europe. moldova and ukraine. a i think he's really going on the strategic for individual plans and the repercussion of those, i don't think he's completely thought that through and i think that's what mr. clapper is talking about. >> there are these peace talks going on in vienna. the united states is involved, russia is involved and iran is involved. they're talking about syria, right? the one person not present is bashar al assad, so i would suppose those leaders are talking about, do we get rid of ba sad? how do we get rid of assad. although russia doesn't want to do that. >> i think you're potentially right. that is going to be one of the primary topics of conversation, of what to do with assad. you've just named three countries that have very
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different approaches as to what to do with him. iran wants mr. assad in as a surrogate of opening up a shia regime throughout the middle east. russia wants stability so they can continue to use their naval and air bases. and the united states wants them out so we can kind of stop this outflow of refugees and the massive slaughter that has gone on in this country for several years. so, it will all center on providing better governance for the syrian people. each one of those countries has a different approach of how to do that. >> so, is there some sort of compromise? because there's an idea being floated on russian tv that, you know, maybe they'll change the constitution and bashar al assad will get to run again and the people will vote for him and it will be a different world in syria if that happens. >> well, hopefully that's what diplomacy is all about, is trying to determine some type of compromise to eliminate the warring factions that are going on in that particular country. but the compromise is going to be tough because the three countries see it -- the three
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countries, russia, iran and the united states and europe, let's throw them in, they all see this ending very differently. some with assad in power. some with a power-sharing agreement and some get him out thereof and let's start anew. the problem s who takes over with him? that's one of the issues we've seen in the middle east when we depose brutal dictators, who takes their place? can you generate security while that transfer of power is occurring? >> i think many americans are painfully aware of that. thanks much. checking other top stories. the former prep school student accused of sexually assaulting a classmate has been sentenced to one year in jail. owen is also ordered to register as a sex offender. prosecutors say he assaulted the victim as part of a tradition at the elite new hampshire school. the school has denied that claim. the last british citizen
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held at guantanamo bay is back in the uk. this is his plane arriving a short time ago. he allegedly confessed to being an aide to osama bin laden but no charges were filed against him and he was cleared for release back in 2007. perhaps that's why he's smiling. a case of bubonic plague confirmed in oregon. a teenage girl fell ill after a hunting trip and thinks she got it from a flea. no one else is believed to have been infected. still to come in the "newsroom," the royals ruling the world series so far. is it time for mets fans to panic?
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sports fans get ready. you have lots of big games ahead of you. first the world series returns to new york tonight, then college football teams spend the weekend chasing the playoff berth. coy live at auburn university, where i wish i was. good morning. >> good morning. i am very fortunate to be here. look, ole miss looking for revenge of that loss last year. here on the plains of auburn, looking forward to another big week of college football. the 21st ranked ole miss taking on auburn in a rivalry that dates back to 1928. this is the last weekend to make a first impression on the college football playoff committee. they're going to unveil their first rankings of the season on tuesday, and they're going to have a tough job because there are 12 undefeated teams still standing. that's right. 12 total. we're about two-thirds of the
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season already. who's going to be in that coveted top four spot to make the playoffs? it's a big question a lot of people have and a lot of teams look unstoppable. speaking of unstoppable, how about tom brady and the patriots. they beat dolphins like a drum last night. unbeaten for the season. brady threw for 346 yards and 4 touchdowns. he has never lost on a thursday game. can you believe that? for the season he has 20 touchdowns. just one interception. that is absurd. last time the patriots started the season 7-0, that was in 2007. that's the year they went 16-0 in the regular season, but remember, they lost in the super bowl. now, tonight let's flip the script and talk about baseball. it's the world series. it shifts to new york. game three, pretty much a must win for the mets. the royals with a 2-0 lead. no team has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit. take a listen. >> we got our fan base behind us now.
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that brings out a lot of energy in our guys. we're down but we're not out. we fought back so many times this year that this is just another challenge that we have to meet and, so far we've met them all. >>. >> now, first pitch is just after 8:00 eastern tonight. the mets have -- and royals have ventura starting off. i will save some chicken wings. i will save some shrimp corn dogs we have working here from auburn university. i wish you were here, too. >> heck with that. just save me some beer. coy wire reporting live. the next hour of "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom" -- an american executive in prison in iran this morning. why? his family doesn't even know. and his arrest coming as america negotiates with iran about what to do in syria.
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and an american army veteran fighting isis on the front lines in syria. his path to the battlefield -- the internet. >> how did you get guidance as to how to get here, who to link up with? >> well, google. and knives, guns, blood and fear. new surveillance video of a biker brawl that left nine dead, 177 arrested, 480 weapons found and still no one has been charged with murder. let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." gment. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we're waiting for the start of a news conference from ft. lauderdale. officials at the airport there will update us on that dynamic airways fire disaster. as soon as this news conference begins, we'll take you to ft. lauderdale live. in the world of politics, the jeb bush campaign is scrambling to calm the fears of
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donors and keep supporters from jumping ship. according to "u.s. news & world report," bush's team recently distributed a presentation summarizing an optimistic view of the race. the slides show the candidate's internal polling and his argument against senator rubio. mark preston joins us with more on this presentation. good morning. >> good morning. jeb bush's campaign clearly sees marco rubio as a threat in this race for the republican presidential nomination. we learned a meeting of bush donors, the campaign was training its sights on rubio, describing him as the gop obama. what's new, plans how they plan to undermine the presidential's bid. a slide show was presented to the donors and it is biting. let's take a quick look at it. it is headlined, marco is a risky bet, followed by several bullet points, including saying rubio has no accomplishments. it highlights his ties to a
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scandal tarred former congressman as well as a wealthy gop donor. it concludes by saying, those who have looked into marco's background in the past have been concerned about what they have found. now, carol,dy speak to a rubio adviser a short time ago. he said that many jeb donors who are considering switching to marco have told us they're turned off by jeb's personal attacks on marco. >> mark preston, many thanks. i have to take our viewers to ft. lauderdale, to the airport. the news conference has begun. i believe among the speakers, ft. lauderdale spokesman greg myers. let's listen. >> talking with the people that worked on the aircraft, talking with the flight crews, there might even be interviews with passengers later on today or something along that line. so, things are moving forward. the aircraft, as greg just said, is on the northwest corner of
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the airport. we're going to try to get access for you a little later on this morning, that you can get closer-up pictures of the aircraft. but the ntsb is initially working with it. they haven't released us yet to do that. [ inaudible ] >> you're not going to be able to pick anything up with those things going by. so, their review will take a length of time. there will not be any release of what the cause is or anything athat line. and besides that, we can answer any questions you may have on the incident yesterday. >> reporter: have they said how long they expect this investigation to last? >> no. and the ntsb will not say. they just keep moving on it.
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they have to follow and they have to be as thorough as possible going through all the records, going through all the information, going throughout black box on the aircraft, checking all the communications of what happened, how it happened, talking with the control tower, talking with the pilots. of course, the mechanics and so forth that worked on it before. >> reporter: are they saying if they're looking specifically like at the fuel line leak or -- [ inaudible ] >> the question is are they saying they're looking at a fuel line leak or anything along that line. i don't have that answer. they are very, very thorough in what necessity look at and they look at the entire operating systems of the entire aircraft. >>. >> from the aircraft perspective because i realize you can't speak on behalf of the ntsb, how much fuel leaked on your runway yesterday? >> we estimate it was -- yeah.
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there was no leakage on the runway perform it was on the taxiway. we're in the process of repairing the taxiway. there's an estimate of about 45 to 50 gallons right now. >> on the taxiway? >> on the taxiway, yes. >> that's what was covered with foam yesterday? >> yes. >> what is involved in cleaning that up? >> well, what happens is that none of the materials, none of the jet fuel, went into the storm system. can you get -- are you getting this? okay. it was contained by booms that we placed on it and it was soaked up by materials on mats that we have. >> do you have the tail number? >> i don't have it with me, no.
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>> what we're doing now is that clean-up is being accomplished. and there was damage to the asphalt from the jet fuel, the asphalt will be milled and replaced today. we hope to open it either later on today or tomorrow morning on that portion of the taxiway. [ inaudible ] >> reporter: one lone supplier of fuel to the aircraft or is it like a gas station on every corner, there's multiple suppliers of fuel? >> there's a central fuel system in the entire airport and it's done through a hydrant system. there's not one supplier. it's done through a consortium. [ inaudible ] >> i can't hear you. >> reporter: fire work into the cabin? >> no. did the fire ever enter the cabin? no, it did not enter the cabin. >> reporter: can you comment on -- [ inaudible ]
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>> reporter: can you commented on the crew's performance? >> no, i cannot. >> guy, let me speak up for a second. mr. george is here to talk to you about the airport operations. what the airport has done and going to do. we cannot talk about the investigation. we can't talk about what happened on the plane. and that's all going to come from investigators. he's here to provide you information about what the airport does, how we are going to continue operations, what impact we may have had and how we're going to work with federal authorities. if we can focus in that area, it will help everybody out. >> reporter: i just want to clarify. my first question was about the airport. mr. george said there was a fire on the plane. that goes against what -- >> i said there was no fire in the cockpit. in the airplane itself there was -- there was fire on the left wing and the number one engine. >> shutting down the loerng
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runway, how much of an issue was that getting planes back on schedule? >> doug will talk about the operations. go ahead. >> repeat the question first. >> the question was relative to what impact did it have on north runway closed versus the south runway open. at that time it really didn't have an operational impact to us. as we get later in the day, we have the larger aircraft, which require the north runway, but essentially it really had no impact. also since we're in our off-season right now relative to air traffic, from a congestion standpoint, we were able to handle the capacity on the south runway during that period of time. >> reporter: how many flights were diverted? did everything get straightened out? >> the number of flights diverted was in the range of 20, 25 flights diverted. >> reporter: inbound? >> yes, inbounds. [ inaudible ] >> there will -- the question was, was there an impact or is there going to be an impact on the operations of the airport with the repair of the taxiway. the answer is no.
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>> reporter: no? >> no. we will have to reroute some aircraft, but we'll be able to continue on operating -- >> we're going to break away from this news conference. the ft. lauderdale airport, not quite up to full operation. but they are repairing the asphalt where that plane caught fire. as you know, the engine of that boeing 767 caught fire yesterday, carrying 101 people on board, 17 people taken to the hospital, including a child and a trauma patient. two of the 17 have been treated and discharged as of last night. we'll keep you posted. in other news this morning, right now an american business man is reportedly behind bars in iran. here's what we know. according to reports, he was taken into custody while visiting family in tehran. it's believed the american iranian executive holds duel citizenship between both countries and was detained by iranian security forces. he is the fourth american to be
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in prison there and is reportedly being held in the same prison as the american journalist jason rezion. the big question, why is another american being detained. all this escalating tension being played out on the world stage. that's happening in vienna. joining me now from capitol hill to talk about all of this, the chairman of the house armed services committee, republican congressman william thornberry. welcome, sir. >> thank you. >> can you tell us any more about this iranian american being held in iran? >> i don't know the supposed justifications of holding him. what i do know is iran has a history of holding hostages and trying to use them for its geopolitical benefit. and we know that in the negotiations over the iranian nuclear deal, even though the
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administration said they tried to free the existing hostages, they're still held in captivity. this does not look to be on a good trend. >> some analysts say these americans are being detained because of the nuclear deal, because this are faxctions withn iran that think this agreement has led to some sort of american spy ring and america is sending these iranian americans to spy for the united states. >> well, it may be true that there are different factions inside iran that are trying to get one leg up over another and that they are using hostages as leverage to try to improve their position. but, again, what we know from the historical record is that holding hostages and trying to leverage them is part of standard operating procedure in iran. and so as we go into these negotiations over syria, the big -- the big issue is, do we
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go in from a position of strength. we have had an administration policy that has not worked very well. we have an iranian deal that a lot of people think leave things lacking. just last week, the president vetoed our defense bill that supports our own military. so, if you're iran, why not take another hostage because it doesn't look like the united states is willing to stand up to you. >> what should the united states do to free these four americans being held hostage in iran? >> well, the key thing is, we've got to enter into this and other negotiations from a position of strength. not try to give the iranians greater respectability on the stage while they're holding hostages as political leverage. for example, just after the u.n. approved the iranian nuclear deal, iran launched a missile that clearly violated its commitments to the u.n. and the administration did nothing. so, you've got to push back against this. >> how should -- how should the administration have -- how should the administration have
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pushed back in that case? >> there should have been an immediate meeting of the u.n. security council, immediate sanctions on iran because they clearly violated what they promised to do as far as missiles go. if they can get away with violating one agreement, why not get away with the rest. why not get away with holding hostages. all of this behavior is linked. and until there is a strong push back from our administration and until our administration signals it's willing to defend our interests in syria and elsewhere, iranians and the russians and the chinese are going to continue to get away with what they can get away with. >> well, my final questions about these talks going on in vienna right now, included in those talks are the united states, iran and russia. iran was invited to the table. should iran have been invited to the table in vienna? >> i don't think is really --
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well, here's the key reason it matters. because iran and russia are trying to show that they will stand by their allies, like assad, and they are trying to cause doubts that the u.s. will stand by our allies, like the saudis and israelis. so, the fact that we invited the iranians into these talks is -- creatings further doubts about how we are to be a reliable friend and ally and cause dissension within the community of nations that support the united states. i think that's the effect of it. >> so we shouldn't have invited iran to the table sna sn. >> well, i think it's final to talk with them if you come in with a position of strength, but we're not going into it with a position of strength. again, the objective of the russians and iranians is to cause more dissension between us and the saudis, us and israelis, us and the egyptians and probably these talks will only
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one of the most talked about moments in wednesday's debate when jeb bush tangled with marco rubio over the senator's voting record, or lack thereafter. rubio effectively deflected charges of not performing his duties during that exchange, and now rubio is raising money on the fact he doesn't have time to vote in the senate because it's vital he becomes president. but rubio is not the only candidate taking heat. "the new york times" says it's time for governor chris christie to go home because new jersey is
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suffering. christie firing back on fox news. >> the people of new jersey have determined i'm successful. they elected me twice. "the new york times" can say what they want. i take a deep bow. if "the new york times" hates me, that means i'm really getting someplace. >> but seriously, should christie bow out because new jersey needs him? with me now is a contributing editor at the american prospect. you also wrote an article for "the washington post" this summer i found very interesting. good morning. thanks for being here. >> good morning. >> so, that article that i mentioned, you wrote that article this past summer. and you said the only way that candidates for president could run was if they shafted their own states. is that really true? >> well, it depends on what your job is. the problem is much more acute when you're governor than senator. marco rubio has a point to a certain degree in that there's not a whole lot of legislating actually going on in congress these days. now, that's because of the particular relationship between
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the republican majority and president obama, but except for these occasional crises when they have to come in and pass a budget, it's not like they're working on complex legislation. and rubio himself did for a little while, in the beginning of his term, but he kind of abandoned that. and so it's hard to argue that the people of florida are being, you know, ill-served by the fact he's not there casting votes because congress just doesn't do much these days. when you're talking about a governor, on the other hand, it's a very different kind of situation because the governor is -- that's an executive office and there's a lot of decisions and day-to-day management that has to be done. it's much easier to make the argument, when you run for president, which is really a full-time job in and of itself, that it's going to be much more serious if the governor is absent than a senator. >> by all accounts, new jersey is hurting. i mean, chris christie's approval rating in new jersey, i think they're abysmal, something like 30%. his state has suffered more than one credit downrating. one-third of new jersey
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residents are still hurting from hurricane sandy. maybe i'd want to escape the state, too. >> well, you can ask what exactly is the nature of the problem and would it be solved in chris christie was in the office more often. you know, maybe the problem is neglect on the part of the governor, but maybe it's that, you know, they're going to be doing the same things on his behalf as they would if he were there. but maybe there are different policies one might like to see. the question s how much of a difference does it make if he's just not around? that's something that's a little hard to tell from the outside, whether things would really be different if he was in the office every day versus checking in on the phone a few times with his staff. >> "the new york times" also points out chris christie is among the highest paid governors in the nation. he makes somewhere around $172,000 a year. it cites that some governors who run for president offer to cut their salaries or some governors whose states are in trouble
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financially offer to cut their salaries. should christie do that? >> i think that's a little symbolic posturing. when you think that salary verse what a governor has to do and the number of employees under his or her command, politicians don't make all that much money. and it's easy to complain about that. well, they make a perfectly good live, but, you know, saying, oh, you know, they should cut their salary, you know, that's just symbolic and it doesn't really have a whole lot of meaning. >> paul waldman, thanks for your insight. appreciate it. staying on capitol hill, outgoing speaker john boehner is speaking with dana bash about his successor paul ryan. boehner talks about what this new position means for ryan, including a future presidential run. >> now, you know full well doing this job might make it hard
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going on to other offices, namely the white house, because you get pretty messy. >> i think you got over that. >> do you think it's still possible for him to be president? >> i'm not sure -- i think he would have liked to have been president, but i think he's figured out that god has another plan in mind for him and that's to be speaker of the house. >> i mean, do you think it's at all possible in this modern time to go from speaker to president? >> i don't know. >> i'm guessing you're not going to try? >> never. i've never been afflicted with this disease. >> be sure to watch the rest of dana bash's interview with john boehner and also her one-on-one with incoming house speaker paul ryan. it all airs on "state of the union" with jake tapper this sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern this sunday. itmonday night at 9:00, bus versus gore, the endless election. still to come in the "newsroom," a former army veteran now fighting on the front lines in syria against
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. a human rights group inside syria says the bashar al assad government has fired rockets on its own people today. the group says at least 40 people were killed in the attack in the suburb of the capital. 100 more were wounded. it's often attacked by government forces because of rebel groups who are based there. most of the united states' efforts to defeat isis are from above. coalition jets conducting air strikes but there are, in fact, americans on the ground fighting alongside the kurds on the front lines. cnn senior international correspondent clarissa ward has the story of one iraqi war
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veteran who returned to the fight in syria as a volunteer. >> reporter: randy roberts has spent much of the last seven months on the front lines. the former u.s. army specialist who deployed twice to iraq was studying graphic design in the u.s. when he decided to join the fight against isis. >> i felt like i could, given my past military experience and that i had been to this region before, that i could contribute and i could actually help the cause. >> how did you get guidance as to how to get here, who to link up with? >> well, google. >> reporter: google? >> it's the -- >> reporter: that's how you planned your trip to come and fight isis? >> believe it or not, yes. i simply looked up westerners who had come over here before me. >> reporter: roberts is more than 100 westerners who have
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come to syria and iraq to fight with kurdish forces. ♪ >> reporter: the internet is full of slickly produced ypg propaganda videos featuring american volunteers. there's even a website selling isis hunting kits and offering pack lists on what to bring. at a small training camp in northern syria, we watched some new recruits. among them, two americans. most did not want to show their faces. unlike roberts, few had any military experience. >>. >> i also meet -- >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we do have important breaking news to share with you right now. president obama is due to announce that at any time today, it involves american troops and it involves syria. so, let's get details now from our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. tell us what you know. >> good morning, carol.
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a very significant development. the white house expected to announce later today multiple officials are telling cnn that a small number of u.s. special operations forces will be headed to northern syria. this will put the first u.s. boots on the ground on a regular basis in syria. they've done a couple raids in the past. this is very different. what we are talking about is a decision by the president and defense secretary ash cart that's true they want to proceed with putting these special operations forces in the kurdish-controlled areas of northern syria. this is up against the turkish border. this is an area where the kurdish forces, some syrian arab militias and thousands of other additional forces have been fighting isis. clarissa ward has been up there. she has seen some of this firsthand in recent days. these troops have been short of ammunition, having difficulty
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getting logistics, the trucks, the supplies they need, planning their missions, making a concerted, as the military says, campaign effort to go against isis. so now some u.s. special operations forces are expected to go there in the coming days and help with those tasks. get these forces, these syrian arabs, these kurdish forces, get them more able to start moving and pushing against isis to the south. the obvious question many americans are going to have when the white house announces this, are u.s. troops now in combat in northern syria? make no mistake, this is a combat zone. this is a very hot war there. pentagon officials will tell you, not at the moment. they do not expect them to go into front line combat. however, i think that's why we need to walk through all of this, however they have the right, the americans, to defend themselves and if there is a specific mission that they are
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going to go forward, go closer to that front line with the syrian kurds, the syrian arabs, they will get permission. they'll have to get permission. and they will do that. such as the raid we saw some ten days ago in northern syria when delta force accompanied kurdish commandos into the field to liberate an isis prison. so, it is dangerous work but it is something they have decided, we're told, they want to proceed with. the white house will announce. this is part of what had been in the works for days. part of an overall effort to develop a number of options for the president in both syria and iraq to really try to accelerate the war against isis. key goal right now is back in syria, raqqa, you can find it on the map very easily, raqqah, syria, the self-declared capital of isis. this is the goal for the u.s. and for those rebel groups in
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the north, to try to cut off the access, isis's access to raqqah, especially on the northern side, cut off the access, isolate isis and try and push them out of there. risky business. the map pretty much tells you the whole story about what this effort is. this is not where the russians have necessarily been fighting. the russians are mainly to the west. the tusrks are to the north. they're not going to be happy to this because they very much see some of these groups along the border as their enemy. the battlefield just took another step in getting more complex and more dangerous for american troops. carol? >> barbara, stay right there. i want to take our viewers to the white house now to check in with joe johns. will president obama come out and talk about this later? >> reporter: not clear. we have asked that question. we do expect to hear from someone here at the white house, even the press secretary, josh earnest. but i do want to tell you,
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carol, that the white house has already sort of laid the groundwork for this as recently as yesterday in the briefing here at the white house josh earnest talking generally, while not confirming that there was going to be something like this going on still saying for one thing, as barbara has already mentioned, u.s. military pilots have been flying in the skies over syria now for more than a year. also pointing out there have been previous situations where the president ordered u.s. military personnel to conduct operations on the ground, including the rescue of american citizens held hostage inside syria. so, broadly speaking, the white house started laying the groundwork for this notion of a small number of troops on the ground in syria. and we certainly expect to hear more from the white house today, carol. >> stand by. joe johns, lieutenant general mark hurtling is on the phone
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right now. there are so many questions surrounding this. number one, how will russia react to this news? >> i don't think russia will react all that significantly, carol, but this is something, you know, as we talked about over the last year plus, the campaign plan for syria, when a lot of people have said, we're not doing enough. it's just a bombing campaign. have you to set the conditions for these kinds of things. and i think the placement of special -- of special forces or special operating forces to advise and assist syrian rebels, in this case the ypg, the kurds, is appropriate at this time. it's something that even general dempsey, when he was the chairman, said we might do given the circumstances and the changing conditions of the battlefield. a year ago we didn't have that many contacts in syria. that were the opposition forces. over the last year, those have been created. we made contacts on the ground through various intelligent sources and now we have the
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capability to contribute more. and i think just a little bit of effort by special forces and assisting these kurdish fighters is a good thing. >> let me ask you this about raqqa, because isis has been there for quite some time. it's an established city for them. they set up a government. i'm sure they set up protective forces around that city. what is it going to take to go in and defeat isis in raqqa, its de facto capital? >> that's part of the campaign planning. i think the kurds are ready to fight on the ground, the ypg kurds are ready to fight on the ground but they need assistance in terms of their maneuver or campaign planning. how do you go into raqqa? raqqa is an established caliphate right now, but it's teetering on the brink of collapse. isis does not have a strong power over the rest of the people in this city. they have imposed their will through violence. if you can counter that will, i
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think you'll see some uprising from the local citizens that don't want isis there either. you know, when you talk about these kind of societies and what isis is trying to impose, the majority of people that live in the area that they control, the vast majority, and i don't want to put a percentage over it, but it's much greater than 60% or 70%, do not want to be controlled by these thugs. they have just imposed their violence and they've caused that to happen. so, if there's something that counters that, and that's what the ypg, syrian kurds are attempting to do, with some help from the americans, i think you'll see a much greater influence on destroying and defeating isis, which is the president's strategy. >> >> barbara starr has new information. we'll get to that after a quick break.
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more on our breaking news. the obama administration is expected to announce deployment of a small number of u.s. special operation forces in syria. it means there will be american boots on the ground in that war-ravaged nation. let's go back to the pentagon to barbara starr for more information. >> hi, carol. these special operation forces are going to be stepping into a real quilt, if you will. a very complex situation of tribal politics, ethnic politics, ethnic elements up there in northern syria. they're not expected to work solely with the ypg, the kurdish elements, but to work with some 5,000 vetted, in other words, people that they know, members of something called the syrian arab coalition.
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about 5,000 arab fighters that are up in that area also fighting isis. that word vetted is what you're going to hear a lot about. the u.s. troops are not just walking in. they are going to work with groups and people they have run through their so-called security checks. people they know, people they say they can trust, they can go into the field with, as they did in that raid with the kurdish commandos in iraq several days ago. so, that's the first thing. it's going to be with people that they know and trust. it is going to be not just advising them on how to carry out missions, their raids, moving forward. clearly what special operations forces do when they're on the ground, they gather intelligence. they talk to the people. they figure out what's going on. this should help the u.s. have a more clear, more direct idea of what exactly is happening on the
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ground. look for intelligence sharing. as that ground action moves forward, moves further south to try at least to push isis out. again, if you look at the map, this is along the border. they want to push towards raqqa with this arab coalition, with the kurds. as that happens, the other u.s. special operations effort will be to continue to air drop ammunition and get splooiz supplies to these fighters. they need constant replenishment. this is only going to work if they have the ammunition, the weapons, the trucks, to keep moving forward. you will see some of that make no mistake, even with u.s. boots on the ground, even a small number, there will have to be an effort, a comprehensive effort, to make sure the americans can be kept safe. if they get into trouble?escued- will they have access to medical care. can you get americans out of there if they get into trouble.
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so expect to see more intelligence gathering, more air strikes, the action, the military action should step up once this begins to happen. carol? >>. >> let's head to the region to southern turkey and nick paton walsh. you heard barbara talking about the operations on the ground. will the rebel groups be able to fight effectively against isis? >> the key question is, who exactly are they going to be training advising? advising and assisting. the ypg, the kurdish group who have been fighting in kobani, we've seen that on our screens recently and along the border of turkey, where i'm standing here, further west toward isis-held areas, they can't work exclus e exclusively with them. that will leave a bad taste in the mouth of many syrians because there are many fears amongst the syrians in the north of that country when the kurds,
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the ypg, they tend to hold on for themselves. a long-term strategy of just using ypg, you could run into problems down the line. from barbara's reporting be, it sounds like the syrian arab coalition, which are small, aloof, and small group in the east of the country where the kurds are, and also to the west of isis-held areas as well, in fact, directly south from where i'm standing, that's probably where they're going to be directing their energies. there's a problem there. she was talking about the vetting of these fight rz. vetting has been complicated. recently there's something called the new syrian force. that was a lengthy half billion dollar effort by the united states to put together a 1500, perhaps stronger, size of syrian moderate rebels who they vetted. they got as. many as 54 together, then the program collapsed, aminuted testimony on the hill, they had four or five left in the field. the group they're heading towards now, the 5,000 or so,
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these aren't exclusively vetted. there's been a parallel program run by the cia, many reports suggests, finding some groups they're comfortable with and supplying them weapons. it's probably these rebels they have to work alongside and they're not entirely vetted. this will be a fluid operation on the ground. often with faces they don't recognize. >> nick paton walsh reporting live from southern turkey. we'll have much more on this decision by the obama administration to send boots on the ground to syria. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief.
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the obama administration is expected to announce at any time that it has decided to deploy a small number of u.s. special operations forces in syria. that means boots on the ground. these forces will be gathering intelligence to help rebel groups on the ground defeat isis. i want to bring in lieutenant general mark hertling to help us understand all of this. this probably sounds frightening to a lot of americans because americans will be very close to isis fighters within syria, especially to its stronghold raqqa. >> carol, these special forces soldiers are trained to do this. this is their main mission in life, is to advise and assist other government's armies. they're doing that. now, whether or not it's a known force that's already together, like the ypg kurds or various elements of the syrian army depends, but there's been a lot of coordination going on behind the scene over the last year. this is not something we just drop forces in and say, hey, try
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and make the best of it. you can bet that there has been an awful lot of coordination, cooperation, development of personalities and engagements going on for several months before this decision is made. >> i want to draw your attention, general, to another map we have. if we could put that map up. the gray area at the top of your screen, that area is controlled by isis. and i suppose those special operation forces are also going to be helping the kurds fight as well as these rebel groups, these syrian rebel groups. and in green up at the top, that's along the border with turkey, that's where most of the kurdish forces are. so, where exactly will these special operation forces be, do you suppose, general? >> well, they're going to be where they can be. where the cooperation has already been developed with the various brigades of syrian arab forces, but also potentially with the kurds. and, carol, i can't say exactly.
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i'm not on the ground. i don't know which units have the cooperation right now. again, this is also based on the cooperation that has developed over the last several months. i would suggest that they are going to be with the kurds, contributing to their security within what they consider their tribal lands. the kurds don't go much further out of their tribal areas or their boundaries. then have you to link up with the arab syrian forces as well. there's a lot of competitiveness between the various tribes and between the arabs and the kurds. so, this -- you said the word patch work. this is truly a patch work of operations. and one of the things special forces can do is coordinate between americans who are advising the different units to try and bring complimentary effects in one location. that's what's going to happen. >> quickly now, because i'm running out of time, when you say a small number of special operation troops, how many do you suppose they're talking
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about? >> well, that depends. again, it depends on the unit. you might have them at the brigade level, one or two. you may have a couple at the battalion level, one or two. but you also have to consider these guys are very well trained, not only in fighting but in medical care and evacuation and in planning operations. there has to be support for these individuals on the ground, medevac, in case one gets hurt, in resupply operations. they have a lot of that that they can do as well as calling in air. these guys can provide support along with indigenous forces a very, very powerful force. >> i have to leave it there. i'll be right back.
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hello. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. we are following breaking news at this hour. cnn news has learned the obama administration is planning for the first time to officially send special operations forces into syria to help fight isis. >> to be clear, that is u.s. military personnel on the ground in syria. the administration, no doubt, will hesitate to call this boots on the ground but it's hard to see this as anything but that.

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