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hello. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. we are following breaking news at this hour. cnn news has learned the obama administration is planning for the first time to officially send special operations forces into syria to help fight isis. >> to be clear, that is u.s. military personnel on the ground in syria. the administration, no doubt, will hesitate to call this boots on the ground but it's hard to see this as anything but that.
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we're covering these latest developments with barbara starr at the pentagon, joe johns at the white house. barbara, let's start with you. what details are you hearing from your sources. >> good morning, john and kate. multiple u.s. officials are now telling cnn that the white house is expected to make this announcement shortly. what by all accounts the president has decided is a small group of u.s. special operations forces, the most elite, the most highly trained will go into northern syria. this is an area controlled by the kurds, up near the turkish border. they are going to go there to support both kurds and the syrian arab fighters. there are thousands up there from all of these groups fighting isis. but they lack ammunition, equipment, logistics, the real ability to begin to execute a campaign, if you will, to push isis out and push isis further south. so what are the u.s. special operation forces going to do? they are going to help with that kind of planning and
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coordination, make sure they get ammunition drops, make sure they get the logistics, help them gather intelligence. the u.s. will also be gathering its own intelligence. this will give the u.s. eyes and ears on the ground for the first time in syria on a regular basis to begin to gather more information about what is happening on the ground. this will be dangerous, make no mistake. u.s. troops are not expected to go into direct combat, walk a patrol, come into close combat with isis fighters, but if necessary, we are told they can get the permission to accompany these local fighters into the field. they can go with them on raids, if they get permission and it comes to that. it will be -- it will be very significant, however, because once you have u.s. troops on the ground there, you have to have a way to get them out. if they run into trouble. how do you evacuate them? how do you helicopter them out?
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what do you have overhead to keep them safe? all of this leading to fundamental questions. once you open the door, how many troops will wind up going? how could this mission grow in the coming days and weeks. john, kate. >> as you lay out, barbara what you lay out shows what a significant announcement this really is. let's continue the conversation. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world as we continue covering this breaking news, this announcement coming from the white house. barbara, you were touching on -- you said special operation forces will be going in. do you have any idea? are you hearing yet how many? >> i think they're going to start with a relatively small number. perhaps a couple dozen. one of the things you want to do in the beginning is start with a very small footprint, if you will, because have you to build it up. you're going to have these guys paired up with fighters they know, they have vetted. they're not just dropping in. these will be people they trust, that they can work with. but you want to start small
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because you want to get a feel for what is happening. what is the security situation, what are the needs. and it could grow, then, from that. the smaller the number, clearly the safer you can keep them, but you have to have enough to be able to make a difference. i think it's likely we're seeing just the very beginning of this and decisions to be made, how much and do you want it to grow. >> barbara, stand by. i want to bring in joe johns at the white house right now. joe, we know that the president has been considering options, proposals, from the pentagon for some weeks. they have included the introduction of special forces into syria. we also have learned the white house will make this announcement today. any sense of what form this announcement will come in? do we expect to hear from the president himself on this? this is a major shift in u.s. policy. >> not clear we'll hear from the president himself, but i can tell you that just moments ago we got a statement on background
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from a senior administration official. i'll just read you some of the most operative language here. i'm reading through it myself. the president has authorized a small compliment and now we have a number of fewer than 50 of u.s. special operations forces to deploy to northern syria where they will help coordinate local ground forces and coalition efforts to counter isil. the president has also authorized a number of additional steps, including deploying a-10s and f-15s to ins insirlic air force base in disturbingy on the establishment of special operations force to further enhance our ability to target isil leaders and networks. and enhancing the u.s. koirnt, isil or isis military assistance to jordan and lebanon. that's a little more detail. i think the most important thing there is the number, the senior administration official saying fewer than 50 u.s. speshlg
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operations forces. that is the first number we've gotten on or off the record. yes, they have been laying the groundwork, as it were, to make some type of announcement, but right now it is not clear when the white house is actually going to come out and talk about this to reporters. john and kate. >> they'll be facing questions next time they come to cameras. joe, barb, thank you very much. while they work their sources, let's talk about these major developments with senior national international nick paton walsh. he's in southern turkey right now. also with us is senior military analyst, retired colonel rick francona who has a lot of experience in just this area. nick, you're in turkey. part of this announcement talks about deploying more a-10s and f-15s in turkey where u.s. operations have been working, have been flying out of for their operations in syria. what does this mean there?
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>> reporter: the a-10s are significant. their primary role is to target armor, that is tanks on the ground. that would provide, i imagine, the syrian and kurdish forces this small complement of special forces is supposed to be assisting pretty lethal fire pow power were they to be used against regime armor. isis have a lot of weaponry they have taken from the iraqi and syrian military as well. the f-15s adding to the complements of other coalition aircraft working out of turkey as well. that clearly shows the turkish are on board with this increase of american posturing, which would have to be the case, too. one thing strikes me about the timing of this announcement, slap in the middle of the sensitive talks in vienna, clearly showing the united states will not sit on their back heels and await a diplomatic outcome. russians made it quite clear, do not send troops into syria, the message to washington. this is washington's response. these special forces, small in
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number, i anticipate will mostly be working to the north of raqqa, to the farthest west part of the territories held by the kurds, why the ypg. kobani, we saw highly televised, public, fight for that. there were pictures posted online suggesting a very small number of u.s. special forces may have been there assisting, targeting. nothing confirmed by u.s. officials at all. this may not be completely brand-new to those special operators in questio. if they are heading south toward raqqa, revolutionary brigades of raqqa, the syrian arab group trying to fight to reclaim that city, announced they're declaring that area a military zone because they wanted to move in on it. most people didn't think they had the capacity or military capability to do that. this may be boosting that, too. i have to bear one thing in mind as well. to the far west of where isis have territory as well, nearer to the north of aleppo, there are also syrian moderate forces, too.
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potentially these could get assistance as well and pressure isis to its western front, around a town called marea as well. the biggest question is who precisely are they assisting who aren't the kurdish ypg forces? the phrase syrian arab coalition, that's used here a lot. we really don't know what groups there are. you have to remember, the u.s. tried for nearly every year, spent half a billion dollars to train rebelles, a proxy force. that failed. they got 55 together. they had to scrap the plan all together. here they're looking for different groups. perhaps ones cia vetted for a well-known program they had to arm moderate rebels. these aren't familiar faces. these may well be people who aren't 100% known to u.s. special operators and that could cause complexity on the ground. >> you bring up a number of good points. a reminder, the russians are running air operations inside syria. the russians have troops inside
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syria as well. so, keep that in mind as part of this discussion. kel nol francona, you have intimate knowledge of u.s. forward operations, special forces troops on the ground. these troops, less than 50, fewer than 50, we've been told, will be helping call in air strikes. they'll be providing intelligence on the ground that heretofore the united states has not had. how many can fewer than 50 really do? how much, i should say, can fewer than 50 really do? >> well, the numbers belie the capability. these are the best. you're probably going to put 50 u.s. army special forces in there. these guys are trained to do this mission. the special forces excel at this. they go in and work with foreign munitions personnel. they set up military units. they provide the communications, the intelligence, and the training and the coordination. they bring the communications and you brought in a key point. they will leverage the u.s. air power to a much greater effect than we've been able to do before. what we provided the kurds and the syrians on the ground are --
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gps units they can pass coordinates to the pilots. now what we'll have is the ability to have u.s. army eyes on these targets and actually control the air strikes. this could be much more effective if they're allowed to do that. now, barbara listed some of the restrictions they're going to have. so, it remains to be seen just how close they're going to be allowed to get to the actions. but i agree with your assessment, this is a major shift in u.s. policy. >> colonel francona, nick paton walsh, stand by. a lot more to discuss. how does this affect the relationship with russia? how will they deacon flikt these operations? stand by, gentlemen. we'll talk much more about this after a break. also, it just so happens cnn has had clarissa ward, our cnn international reporter, inside northern yan syria reporting from the front lines, talking to some of these forces that, perhaps, u.s. forces will now be working alongside. what do they say about the introduction of u.s. forces. do they want u.s. troops there? this is cnn special breaking coverage. continues right after this. (vo) what does the world run on?
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want to welcome our viewers around the world. cnn's special breaking news coverage. the united states will be sending for the first time officially, sending special forces into syria to fight isis. in the ongoing fight against isis. this as the u.s. expands its role against isis. kurdish fighters on the front lines in isis -- in the front lines against isis in syria already. they're already battling the terror group, trying to reclaim much of its lost territory. >> these kurdish forces have already pushed isis out of the city of hasaka and may be preparing another move forward. our international correspondent clarissa ward was up close, on the front lines with these groups and got a real sense of what they're up against, what their goals are in northern syria. watch this report. >> reporter: these men are at the core of america's latest
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strategy to defeat isis. manning positions along a vast and desolate front line with isis entrenched in villages just through the haze. they're fighters with the ypg, a force of roughly 30,000 syrian kurds which backed by coalition air power has dealt decisive blows to islamic state militants across northern sir gentleman. commander is in charge of this front line position in the city of has hasaka. >> translator: they tried to attack us again ten days ago. we were prepared so they don't reach their target. >> reporter: but they keep trying. isis has control of the next village along, which is just over a mile in that direction, but the men at this base tell us that isis fighters often go at night to that building just over there so that they can launch attacks on these positions.
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the u.s. hopes the ypg will soon move from defense to offense, taking the fight to isis's stronghold in raqqa, but makeshift bases across the front lines, the fighters we saw were lightly armed, poorly equipped and exhausted by months of fighting. and senior commander knows the battles ahead will be even tougher. can you take raqqa without heavier weapons from the coalition? >> translator: the weapons we have are not high-quality. for this campaign we'll need new, heavy weapons. >> reporter: the most important weapon they do have but don't want to talk about is this device, which helps the ypg get exact coordinates for enemy positions. those coordinates are sent to a joint u.s. kurdish operations room, and minutes later fighter jets come screaming in. he told us he was given a week of training before using the
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device. who trained you how to use this? >> translator: believe me, i can't say. when you finish the training, it's a secret, but they weren't speaking kurdish. >> reporter: a mystery, as is so much of the unfolding u.s. strategy in this critical corner of syria. clarissa ward, cnn, hasakah, syria. >> back with us cnn military analyst, rick francona. colonel, thanks for being with us. one thing clarissa told us about this report, which she was speaking to forces on the ground inside syria, they really didn't want u.s. troops alongside them. how sure can the u.s. be that these troops, whether they be these kurdish fighters or some so-called friendly arab groups, that they can be trusted? >> that's always the big question. we've had agency -- cia officers making these contacts. there's a lot of
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behind-the-scenes negotiations going on with the kurds. now, the kurds in iraq are also talking to the kurds in syria, so we're using that as a conduit to find out who we can work with. now, the kurds don't want american fighting forces right with them, but they do want the capabilities these special forces troops can bring. it's a synergistic effect. i think they're going to welcome what the air power -- the increased capability of the air power will be. as you saw that report with clarissa, they were holding up a gps device. that requires offset targeting, which is really not that accurate. when you get u.s. special forces there with the real targeting -- target-designated equipment, it can be much more effective. it remains to be seen just exactly what they'll be allowed to do. >> that's a key question something the white house and pentagon need to answer. but i guess we do need to hear the specifics of the arrangement of what they're allowed to do, but regardless, does it now mean with this announcement, colonel, that the u.s. has forces that
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are now in combat in syria? >> yeah. i'm sure the white house is going to parse those words in a specific way. but you're going to have 50 people inside syria. you're also going to have to be able to support them. now, they're going to need some sort of emergency air lift they need to get out of there. they're going to need increased support. now, where's that going to come from? obviously turkey. >> don't forget, of course, joshua wheeler killed, u.s. special forces killed in an operation inside iraq a little more than a week ago. you can see the risk these special forces will be taking with this new deployment, with this dramatic development in the -- >> and the white house knows. >> indeed. colonel, thanks for being with us. we'll get back to our special coverage in a moment. first, jeb bush admits, i screwed up this week. he's talking to supporters, reassuring them things are okay.
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there might be something wrong in the presidential race when you have to say this, your campaign is not on life support. but that is what jeb bush had to say while he was in new hampshire yesterday. >> his campaign unveiled a new slogan inside that said, jeb can fix it. was he talking about america or his campaign? if it is his campaign, at least one influential establishment thinker thinks it's okay. peggy noonan writes in the "wall street journal," it's hard to
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see how this can work. by hard, i mean for me, impossible. let's talk about this with cnn political reporter malik ka henderson. a lot of bad signs coming from bush world today. >> bad signs. he was on a conference call yesterday with his donors trying to ease their fears, sparked by their lackluster debate. saying he can do better, he will do better. that new slogan, as you said, has a double entendra. we'll see him in florida. he's going to ramp up in new hampshire as well. they'll be pouring a lot of money in that state. meanwhile, they're trying to go after marco rubio as well. i think that's a theme we saw him hit yesterday and they think marco rubio, who's on the rise in some ways if not in donor but
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certainly in buzz, so that's going to be an interesting twist for this campaign. >> nia-malika henderson laying out the troubles ahead. thanks. >> thank you. >> joining us now, ron brownstein, cnn political analyst as well as brad woodhouse, former communications director for democrat. ron, you followed a lot of campaigns. can bush turn it around? >> i think he can but to me, the overriding factor, a guy who has not run for office since 2002. who has not had a hard election since 1998. since day one, he has shown that. he has been out of step with the party from the beginning. part of the challenge he's got,
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in his bracket of the center right establishment, there is a good choice emerging for a lot of republicans in marco rubio. you also have kasich. different from john mccain, one example they would point to, when rudy giuliani flamed out in 2007, there was nobody else for voters to go to in that lane. now there it-s. >> john mccain was running on something and jeb bush is trying to figure out -- >> he is running almost to be the nominee of a different party than exists today. he has struggled from day one to adapt who he is. jeb will fix it. a reformer with results, which was his brother's slogan in 2000. but he's always -- it's been difficult for him right from the beginning to be in step with where the party has gone. i think he's struggled to adapt. rubio has had problems, too. he has to renounce his
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immigration position. i think jeb has been especially a man out of time. >> you talk about rubio having his own issues. jeb bush's campaign seems to want to help that along and suggest what some of those issues should be. brad, now that bush campaign is digging up dirt that rubio, liberals normally dig this up, what is coming at him, especially from other candidates. >> bush is in desperate mode. i think his campaign is in a death spiral. it may not be quite that bad. he has a super pac chockful of money that could keep him on life support -- >> what about rubio, brad? i think the problem rubio has is the problem the party has. that is about 50% of the volt right now is going to trump and to carson. there's an out and out rejections of the establishment of the republican party of
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normal elected politicians. people that have been part of washington or part of the bush clan. and i think there's a bigger issue here is are they going to be able to live with a carson as the nominee of the republican party? or a trump as a nominee of the republican party? i'm not saying that's going to happen but there's a long way for rubio to go over bush, to go over carson, to go over trump and get into the lead. >> but marco rubio today canceled an event in iowa to go to a vote, go to a senate vote. he had just been criticized for skipping senate votes. are we perhaps seeing the reaction against some of the criticism against him? remember, the bush campaign has this powerpoint memo with the headline "marco is a risky bet." we're looking at that right now. >> he also went back for what was a very important vote, the budget vote, that ted cruz was at that, that rand paul filibustered for a whole 18 minutes. obviously he's going to respond to concerns but this is one thing that was so critical of
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the debate we just saw. if you're going to punch somebody, which bush did, you have to not only connect, you have to be prepared for the counter-punch, which is what rubio did so well. he's obviously going gang busters on the campaign right now. that's one thing his campaign needs to be prepared for. i saw brad holding a shovel as well. there are a lot of problems that can come up throughout the campaign. marco is doing really strong right now. he's somebody that whether you talk about establishment or people who just want to win in november can look at. >> >> flee months to iowa. wonder how much more can change till then. >> i wonder how much can change in the next two weeks. >> jeb bush would say, i hope a lot. great to see you guys. thank you so much. if you like politics, you'll love this cnn report. bush versus gore, the endless election. gloria borger bringing you a special report airing monday night at 9:00 right here on cnn. much more of our breaking
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news coverage out of washington. president obama getting ready to send special forces for the first time into syria. this is a major development, a major change in the battle against isis. we have breaking news coverage right after this. you totalled your brand new car.
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turkey. want to bring in bob bair, former cia official. he joins us now. the ground in syria right now, the battle on the ground there is somewhere where the united states has had poor intelligence up until now. can this make a difference? >> i think it's a hail mary pass. syria is a mess on the other hand, these special forces are going to the kurdish area to support the so-called ypg party, makeshift militia. a very dangerous area. you run the risk, it looks like we're supporting a kurdish state in iraq. there are no good solutions but the best fighters are the kurds and that's what we're left with. >> we want to read you a little bit that we are just getting in.
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we're just getting an e-mail. spokesn for the syrian kurdish fighting force, they welcome -- they welcome assistance from the united states decision to deploy special operations to the kurdish run area. they also say they need more assistance, including more adequate weapons to fight isis. they welcome the inclusion of u.s. special forces in syria, but they say -- essentially saying that's not enough. they need more, bob. >> exactly. that's what special forces are going to do, find out what they need. they'll send them weapons, ammunition, provide air support. again, i go back to the political problems and the ypg is not exactly a welcome party. in fact, the turks last week were bombing them. whose side are we on in this whole conflict? it's difficult for me to follow even though i lived for years and years in that part of the world. >> the issue, bob, is there are more than two sides right now in syria.
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there's the assad regime backed by the russians, backed by iran, backed by hezbollah. can the united states be certain right now that the assistance the united states is giving are going to groups fighting isis and not fighting assad? >> not at all. once you send weapons to syria, theblgd end up in the islamic state. it's a mess there. weapons measure chants, sides change from day to day. we don't understand the syrian opposition, the syrian fighters at all. we certainly don't understand the kurdish forces. we can't even understand whalt battle is up in the north. we'll be a lot better off in terms of intelligence having forces there. but on the other hand, it's extremely dangerous and the question is, are we getting drawn into the syrian quagmire? >> what do you think of the timing of this announcement, coming at the same time diplomatic talks are happening in vienna about what to do about the crisis in syria? >> well, i think this goes along
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with the meetings in vienna, with iran and russia, in that we're supporting, in effect, bashar al assad regime because it's also fighting the islamic state. whether this is what the russians want or not, i don't know. again, this is our only option in that part of the world, the kurds. they are a good fighting force. but for a long-term solution, it won't work. >> it's great to have you. thank you so much. we'll continue covering and following this breaking news coming out of washington and coming out of sir kra. ahead for us, murder at twin paectionz. dramatic new video showing the shootout between biker clubs in waco, texas. see when the first shots ring out and what happened once the police showed up. did you know that good nutrition is critical for brain health? brain food, hmmm. ensure has b vitamins that help support brain health - now that's smart nutrition.
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we have exclusive video, dramatic video of the shootout between rival biker clubs in waco, texas. this a shootout that left nine people dead. >> the gun fight between the biker groups happened back in the spring, but we are just now seeing really how this chaos unfolded. after it was all over, new police reports obtained by cnn as well. they paint a truly gruesome scene. ed lavendera with these exclusive details. >> reporter: the showdown was like the gun fight at the ok corral. that's how a witness describes the massacre to investigators. you don't have to hear the eruption of gunfire to feel the
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chaos the moment biker gangs unleech the melee. nine bikers were killed and th parking lot was turned into a raging war zone. >> oh, my god. this is crazy. >> reporter: cnn has obtained more than 2,000 pages of documents, crime scene photos, many too graphic to show and surveillance video, giving us the most detailed accounts of what unfolded last may. some of the very evidence a texas grand jury is using to possibly indict the 177 bikers arrested and charged with organized criminal activity. restaurant surveillance cameras show the patio area filled with members of the club, waiting for an early afternoon biker meeting to start. they had already been there for more than an hour. the bandito crew rolls in as police and s.w.a.t. teams, anticipating violence, are watching from a distance. the president of the biker club
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is sitting on the patio when they arrive. >> the lead guy on that, you know, i looked out. i was watching. he deliberately steered into one of our prospects and hit him. you know, i mean, he wasn't going real fast but he deliberately ran into him with a motorcycle, enough to knock him down. >> reporter: the man wilson is talking about is clifford pierce. he refused our interview request and has not been charged. in a police report, an investigator wrote, pierce said he did not get his foot run over but may not have gotten out of the way fast enough. it didn't matter. the cossocks believed a bandito ran into one of their guys and the fight was on. one told police a bandito fired first. in dozens of police interviews, the rival biker clubs point the finger at each other, or claim they didn't see anything. clifford pierce says he hit the dirt and was shot. a bullet hits his spine, leaving
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pierce paralyzed from the waist down. >> at that time it was -- it was pretty horrific. there were guys getting hit and falling and i realized that i needed to get away from where i was. i looked to the guy to my right -- my left, a good friend of mine, and i told him, i said, we have to get off the sidewalk or we're going to die here, you know. >> reporter: mayhem ensues. a biker runsing across the patio fires a gunshot, caught on camera, toward the fight scene in the parking lot. he then stashes the gun. a number of cossock bikers take cover. some slide handguns across the ground to each other. restaurant patrons and twin peak the way re waitresses are stunned and trapped. the scene plays out in gory detail. you can see a group of pikers pummeling one man outside the patio area. crime scene photos show a biker body dead in that exact spot. this biker runs toward the
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camera with a bloody face. another group pulls a wounded man into the patio and they appear to try to be reviving him. he's then carried away. several defense attorneys tell cnn the videos show most of the bikers there that day were innocent bystanders. >> y'all going to put us in jail? >> yeah, everybody's going to jail. >> the way they handled it with the mass incarceration of people with million dollar bonds flies in the face of justice and flies in in the face of fairness. ridiculous. >> and when it was over, dozens of bikers had run inside of the restaurant to hide in the bathroom and the twin peaks kitchen, and the police s.w.a.t. teams rounded up the crowd and they are escorted with their hands up, and knives, brass knuckles, and more than 150 firearms everywhere. some hidden in toilets. it has been more than five months since the twin peaks' brawl and they are all out on
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bond and charged with engaging in organized activity and not one of them has been indicted by a grand jury yet, and no one has been charged with murder. in fact, it is not clear who killed whom. one police report says that three officers fired into the crowd, and one officer wrote that he heard suppressed fire from what i believed to be swat officers with the rifles, but the attorneys say that some bikers were hit by police bullets, but as far as we know, ballistics reports have not been completed to determine that k completely. and police and prosecutors have refused to comment citing a gag order, but they have defended their actions. >> this is a criminal element, and they came here not to eat barbeque, but to have a brawl. and this video proves it. >> the bikers started to the shoot, and they put us in a
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freeze freezer. >> reporter: it was a wild west shootout in broad daylight. ed lavandera in waco, texas. >> for more on this, we are joined by billy queen, and he is a retired feshgs t -- atf agent, and spent many years undercover. and we were told it is chaotic, but when you see this video, it is really, really startling. what surprised you? >> well, i don't know that anything really surprised me. it was quite obviously that all of the bikers that showed up there knew what was going to happen or at least what the possibilities were. they showed up the with that armament they knew there was go going the be violence that was possible, and that was going to occur. and so, it is no big surprise to me. i mean, i lived that life for more than two years, and it is just a life of violence. just came down to that day to
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everybody seeing it in the country. >> interesting. they were there looking for the no arrests, and no charges have been charged in this. nobody charged with murder and nine people dead. why is that? do you think it is going to be difficult or impossible to get anyone to talk here, and drop the dime on anyone else? >> well, i -- there's a lot of video there, and there is more video that is out there, too, and so i don't think that just pause it is going to be be necessary fi for -- necessary for individuals to talk to make charges in the case, but they will have their program together when they do make the charges. it is like somebody already mentioned, they are waiting for the ballistics tests to come in, and other laboratory tests to come in, and the police are going to have themselves together when they make those charges. and it is going to take a while longer. >> and you spent time with this gang if not fallout with police,
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and what do you think that the fallout is going to be or has been within these biker clubs? >> well, there is a possibility that there may be fallout within the biker's club. as far as fallout with the police, i doubt it is going to occur at all. >> you saw guns in the toilets, and you saw the knives there, and surprised at all by the level of the arsenal that they showed up with? >> no, absolutely not. not at all. when i rode with the mongrels, and we taught that we were going to have problems we showed up armed to the gill. not at all. and besides the firearms, the hammers and the knives and everything that you would bring to a maelee like that. >> billy, appreciate your insight on this, and watching the dramatic video here of what happened in waco. >> and we will continue our breaking news out of washington,
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