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thanks very much for watching. i'll be back. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf blitzer, thank you so much. great to be with you on this friday. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. more on our breaking news in the war on isis. this major shift in policy will now see boots ob the ground for the first time in syria. we know a small contingent of special operations forces will be heading into kurdish-controlled territory in northern syria. these are the moderate rebels the u.s. has been arming and training. but just to be clear here, the rebels these troops will be helping are the same individuals who are not only fighting isis terrorists and not only that the russians who are helping
president bashar al assad. this announcement is a major turn around from the assurances president obama has been making since 2013, when president assad began barrel bombing his own people. a sign of just how desperate the situation there has truly become. >> i do not foresee a scenario in which boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground in syria would not only be good for america but also would be good for syria. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. i will not pursue an open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. >> with respect to the situation on the ground in syria, we will not be placing u.s. ground troops to try to control the areas that are part of the conflict inside of syria. >> the resolution we submitted
today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. >> joining me now is a lease labott. great to have you on here. it's a huge story today. tell me about what we're learning, where the americans are going and what precisely their role will be. >> well, we're talking about a small team now. it's about 50 special forces. this team of commanders will be going to the northeastern part of syria to be looking at helping kurdish and arab troops on the ground there battling isis. their stronghold is raqqa. that's where they will be expected to help the kurds and
these syrian arabs make a push. they will be in a train and assist role. they will not be a front lines role. but this does put u.s. troops in the battle l field on the ground. when the president makes these announcements he's not putting boots on the ground, he means he does not want u.s. troops on the front lines battling isis forces. but certain ly they will be coming under fire and could find themselves in a combat role. a dramatic turn around for this president, but the u.s. has really tried to combat isis from the skies and they have seen that the airstrikes are not making the kind of dent on the ground. these kurdish groups seem to be the most effective partners and now want to help them in their campaign against isis. >> clarissa, you were just in syria. i want to hone in on this area
of syria before isis militants were driven out of this area. you were there. give us a sense of what it's like. what kind of environment will the americans be walking into? >> we were just there for four days embedded with wpg fighters. they are the kurdish forces who have been the primary recipients of u.s. military u support and who will now be essentially hosting these special advisers. what was really interesting to us on the ground was the disconnect between what we were hearing in washington, which was these guys are our boys, they are going to make a push on raqqa and what we were seeing on the ground in syria, which was essentially a pretty rag tag bunch of fighters who were exhausted after months of heavy battles who were under equipped and poorly armed carrying light
weapons. some of them saying what they really need on the ground now especially if we're talking about making a push on an isis stronghold like raqqa are heavier weapons. and that's the question that i had listening to this shifting u.s. policy. what difference will this essentially several dozen advisers on the ground have if it's not accompanied by an up tick in the type of weaponry that we're seeing being supplied to these fighters. >> wow, talk about a reality check from what we're hearing to your point and from washington and you're seeing in syria. clarissa, you met a former u.s. veteran who is now fighting isis alongside the kurds. this is a piece of your interview with him. sglrp at a small training camp, we watched new recruits among them two americans. most did not want to show their faces. few had any military experience.
>> you meet a lot of people who think this is going to be the gaming experience, call of duty because they understand how to pull the trigger on a controller they know how to do it in real life. >> you were talking about a rag tag group of people with sneakers. when you hear ash carter talking about raqqa, the ypg wanted to do that for awhile. now with this it partnership with the americans, is that still in your eyes seen as pretty ambitious? >> what i would say is i don't want to despairage fighters because they have a lot of heart and are brave and have won some decisive victories against isis. i would say that's largely because of coalition and u.s. air support. they are incredibly brave. what i would question is to what extent do these fighters want to
take on a city like raqqa. raqqa is an isis stronghold and it is arab. it is not kurdish. that's why i think you're seeing the u.s. really insis tant in the language. this is a coalition. this is arab fighters and ypg fighters and it will be interesting to see what exactly is the u.s. doing to sweeten the deal for the kurds, but the kurds we spent time with are much more interested in establishing their own autonomous state than they are in making a push on an isis stronghold in arab territory like raqqa. >> lieutenant, i'm curious your perspective talking about these fighters who the u.s. will be assisting. how integral our role will be over there moving forward. >> thanks for having me. first thing, i do think it's a step in the right direction to be working locally like this. that's what isis does. isis works locally. they work from the bottom up. that's how we can have an effect as well. the other thing i want to point
out is special ops. they are advisers. that's a combat mission. to call it anything other than combat is a misnomer. >> say that again. advising is a combat mission. >> advising is a combat mission. to characterize it as anything else, when we have troops out there working by, with and through indigenous forces like the kurds and arabs is disingenuous. i can tell you these guys when they do this, it's a very vulnerable mission because they go out with them and advise them and they assist them in combat. and to characterize it as anything other than that i think is a disservice to what the guys are doing. and frankly, it sets the american people up for failure because what they are doing is a dangerous combat mission. it's necessary. we need to be doing it but we need to call it what it is. >> on that point, let me just toss to this piece of sound. this was jim acosta drilling down on that point moments ago
with the white house spokesperson. >> question about the americans on the ground. this president, this white house, the officials here at this white house repeatedly over and over again made it clear to the american people that there would be no combat role for u.s. troops fighting isis. that appears to be changing. not only is there this announcement you're talking about today, which you say they won't be involved in a combat role but you're not ruling out they may be involved in a combat operation, but on the iraq side, you have pentagon official this is week saying we're in combat. so it would be great if we could have a moment of clarity to acknowledge that, yes, this mission is changing. it is not what it was saud it was going to be. >> to say that would only confuse the situation. the mission that the commander-in-chief has given our military personnel in iraq and in're ya is a train, advise and
assist mission. we have gone to great lengths to make clear that that is in no way diminishes the amount of risk that our men and women in uniform will be facing. we have also been quite clear there actually have been situations where combat boots have been on the ground inside of syria. we have been candid about that. the president ordered a a mission involving personnel on the ground inside of syria to try to rescue american hostages taken by isil. that occurred more than a year ago. >> you can hear it right there. this type of work where you're working with surrogate forces it's dangerous work and necessary. it's what isis does. it's how they are so effective. they go local. it's a very effective way, less blood, less treasure to fight these guys. however, we need to be clear with the american people and with everyone that's watching this that this type of advisory work is combat.
there are boots on the ground. our men and women are at risk when doing this. it's just the way it goes. it's a combat role. >> thank you all so much. we have more on this. but i want to move on to breaking news in the world of politics. the rnc suspending its next debate with nbc. this is just happened amid-all the criticism over the cnbc debate a few nights ago. also for the first time we are seeing the interrogation of the former university of virginia lacrosse player just after he killed his ex-girlfriend. hear how he acts when investigators tell him she's dead. and chilling new video showing the shootout between biker clubs in waco, texas. the moments that sparked the chaos. you're watching cnn. what if one piece of kale
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you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. he's come under scrutiny for skipping votes in the senate to campaign for president. but marco rubio showed up for work on capitol hill to vote against the budget deal. he did cancel a campaign event in iowa to do so. at wednesday night's debate jeb bush slammed rubio for his voting attendance record in the senate and the florida sun sentinel called for the senator to resign over missed votes. let's go to sioux city, iowa, where he is supposed to have an event later today. is that still on? >> it is, rubio will have an event later today, a happy hour event at a restaurant along this river here. but this was to have been his second event of the day. now it will be his first. the earlier event in council bluffs was postponed. the rubio campaign saying he wanted to go and cast his vote
against the budget deal that 3:00 a.m. vote that took place this morning on the senate floor. but certainly the timing of this is interesting. this it intense scrutiny on rubio in building by the day really scrutinizing his record and poor attendance in the the senate. he has repeatedly defended himself and said he will show up to his day job when his vote makes a difference. if it determines the outcome. so it certainly is interesting to note. he did the no need to go back and vote, but he's making a point to show he's showing up for his day job. >> thank you very much in iowa. breaking news on the political front. the fallout from the cnbc debate has spread to the network's mothership to nbc. the republican national committee says they are suspending its partnership with nbc and will not allow nbc to air the republican debate as scheduled on february 26th.
the rnc says the event will still happen and the national review will still be a part of the initially planned. a letter to the chairman of nbc news states why the rnc is pulling out. let me quote part of that. cnbc billed the debate as one that would focus on the key issues. that was not the case. before the debate, the candidates were promised an opening question on economic or financial matters. that was not the case. candidates were promised that speaking time would be carefully monitored to ensure fairness. that was not the case. questions were inaccurate or down right offensive. joining me now i have national review contributing editor jim garrity. so great to have both of you joining me. jim, just first to you, your organization had been partnering with nbc. do you have any inside scoop as far as how this will move
forward since they don't want nbc to host the debate? >> nobody is mad at us. we're doing fine. telemundo is also supposed to be co-sponsor of the event. they are unmentioned in the letter. i am sure right now chuck todd is saying why is everybody mad for what someone at cnbc did. he said this is a pending suspension. nbc could bend over backwards and said we're going to be fair and not candidates if this is a comic book version of the campaign or tell marco rubio he's a young man in a hurry or anything that seemed off putting. they were snide questions. >> what's going on here? >> i think you have not seen complaints from the cnn debates. you have not seen a complaint except for donald trump at the fox debate, who was asked something that megyn kelly would have asked any of the people on the stage had they said the things he said about women and
whether or not that was presidential. he took great story to distract from a weak debate performance. these guys know no matter what question asked, they can say whatever they want. they can make an opening statement. chris christie does it every time. he ignores the question and looks right into the camera. what krbs nbc has done and now nbc is paying for it is sound almost con temsous in their questioning so that the entire thing can turn into a republican bash the media session. so the candidates definitely turned it to their advantage and really made the cnbc moderators look like they had been unfair. it turned out in the days to follow that some of the things that the people like trump in terms of the mark zuckerberg question that trump was telling an untruth and she asked a correct and factual question but didn't have the backup material ready to counter punch back and respond to him. when you say, like jim
mentioned, the comic book version, it seems obnoxious. so the questions going forward have to be fair. what happens with the candidates, though, is totally out of control most of the time beyond the moderator's control in terms of time. >> but you can reign them in. i have to tip my hat to tapper for doing an excellent job. i will read the response. this is a disappointing development. however, along with our broadcast partners, we will work in good faith to resolve the matter with the republican party. this was the point i was making yesterday about how the candidates are irked with the rnc. shouldn't the rnc shoulder some of the blame? do you think this is a little, how do i say this, cya? >>. the candidates were upset. they tonight change the rules for this. if you get asked a tough question and have 90 seconds, the first debate felt like every
couple seconds you were hearing thank you, senator. at least let them finish the sentence. the cross talk is difficult and bothersome. so do you really need to split it 11 people on the late night debate and 4 on the first one? there are questions about how to have a better debate. >> on that note, you led me to this. ted cruz is saying now he's letting every republican debate should be moderated by republicans because they are the ones voting in the primary. so first of all, i would argue that our moderators here at cnn are journalists and fair. you have no idea where jake tapper and anderson fall politically. but maybe to jim's point, you have candidates and criticizing moderators for pitting the candidates against one another when they are doing that themselves day in and day out on
the campaign trail. >> not only that, they do it on the debate stage. so the journalists who moderate these events are perfectly capable of asking fair questions and should always be hard. you shouldn't -- fox news is not a debate that republicans could go into counting on softballs. they should always be asked tough questions. they are running for the job of commander-in-chief. they often jump in on each other and fight with each other even if it is a softball because they want the time and want to stand out and have a big moment to contrast with someone else on stage. it's a tough situation to actually jump at all on the rnc. i don't think think can set up debate where is they are only asked questions by republican primary voters themselves. the rnc has tried to do what it can to limit this from becoming too much of a zoo, but they can't tell chuck todd which questions to ask. >> speaking of tough questions, ben carson says this is what he
wants in a debate. >> it's supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what's behind them and what their thinking process is, what their philosophy is and what it's turned into is a gotcha. that's silly. >> here's the deal. the definition of a debate, and i quote, a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something or, quote, a contention by words or arguments. i got to wonder, this is a smart man, a pediatric neurosurgeon. does he know the definition of debate? >> elsewhere he lamented about the gotcha question and i think he's completely fair to ask about his past business associations. that's a fair question. having said that, i think you can second guess a lot of those
questions. i don't know if a lot of primary voters were clambering to know do you think the federal government should regulate fantasy football. >> and chris christie had a zinger for that. >> if you ask a dumb question, the candidates are going to sneer at you and make fun of your question. that could end up being a not so great moment for a moderator. >> thank you both so much. great discussion. coming up next, we have new video that shows exactly what happened during the deadly shootout between rival biker clubs at a waco, texas, restaurant the moments shots rang out. dozens of bikers diving for cover. servers and restaurant staff running for their lives. we have it all for you, coming up.
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it was scribed as a wild west shootout. hundreds of bikers brawling in this parking lot in waco, texas, at this restaurant. it happened this past may. the video obtained by cnn shows the chaos inside this place. dozens of bikers drawing their guns, running for cover. frightened customers and waitresses running in different directions. nine people died that day. cnn learned police say gunfire started after one biker's foot was allegedly run over by a rival bike club member. ed lavandera walks us through the details. >> reporter: the showdown was like the gunfight at the o.k. corral. that's how a seasowitness descr the massacre. you don't have to hear gunfire to feel the chaos the moment melee was unleashed. the videos take you inside the rrtd in waco, texas, where nine bikers were killed and the
parking lot was turned into a raging war zone. cnn has obtained more than 2,000 pages of documents, crime scene photos, many too graphic to show and surveillance video gaving us the most detailed accounts of what ub fold ed. some of the evidence that a texas grand jury is using to possibly indict the 177 bikers arrested and charge with organized criminal activity. restaurant surveillance cameras show the patio area filled with members of the club waiting for an early afternoon biker meeting to start. they had already been there for more than an hour. the crew rolls in as police and s.w.a.t. teams anticipating violence are watching from a distance. john wilson is president of the biker club chapter in waco. he's sitting on the patio when the club arrives. >> the lead guy on that
deliberately steered into one of our prospects and hit him. he wasn't going real fast, but he ran into him with a motorcycle. enough to knock him down. >> the man wilson is talking about is clifford pierce. he refused our interview request and has not been charged, but in a police report, an investigator wrote pierce say he did not get his foot run over, but may not have gotten out of the way fast enough. it did not matter. they ran into one of their guys and the fight was on. who fired first isn't clear. one witness told police a shot was fired into the ground. and in dozens of police interview, the rival biker clubs point the finger at each other or claim they didn't see anything. clifford pierce said he hit the dirt and was shot. a bullet hits his spine leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. >> at that time, it was pretty horrific. there were guys getting hit and
falling. i realized that i needed to get away from where i was. i looked to the guy to my left, a good friend of mine and i told him we got to get off the sidewalk or we're going to die here. >> reporter: mayhem ensues. a biker running across the patio fires a gunshot caught on camera toward the fight scene in the parking lot. he then stashes the gun. a number of bikers take cover, some slide handguns across the ground to each other. restaurant patrons and twin peak waitresses are stunned and trapped. the scene plays out in gor ri detail, you can see a group of bikers pummelling one man outside the patio area. crime scene photos show a biker's body left dead in that exact spot. this biker runs towards the camera with a bloody face. another ground pulls a wounded man into the patio and appear to revive him. he's then carried away.
several defense attorneys show the videos show the bikers were innocent bystanders. >> the way they handled it with the mass incarceration of people with million dollar bonds flies in the face of justice and flies in the face of fairness. it's ridiculous. >> after it was all over, the scene was chaos. dozens of bikers had run inside the restaurant to hide in bathrooms and the twin peaks kitchen. police s.w.a.t. teams move in. they are escorted out with their hands up. weapons litter the crime scene. knives, brass knuckles and more than 150 firearms everywhere. some even hidden in toilets. it's been more than five months since the twin peaks brawl and all of the bikers are out of jail out on bond. they were charged with engaging in organized criminal activity but not one has indicted and no one has been charged with murder. in fact, it's still not clear
who killed whom. one police report says three officers fired into. the crowd and one officer wrote he heard suppressed fire from what i believe to be s.w.a.t. officers with suppressed rifles. several defense attorneys say it's likely some bikers were hit by police bullets, but as far as we know, ballistics reports have still not been completed to determine that conclusively. police and prosecutors have refused to answer questions about the investigation citing a gag order, but police have defended their actions since the beginning. >> this is a criminal element that came in here yesterday and killed people. they are not here to drink beer and eat barbecue. they came with violence in mind. >> reporter: these images of the brawl tell the story of unbriend led pandemonium. >> all these bikers started shooting. >> reporter: it was a wild west style shootout in broad daylight. ed lavandera, cnn, waco, texas. >> ed lavandera, thank you so much. coming up next, breaking news involving the war on isis. for the first time the u.s. will
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the president has insisted for years and years that he will not put american boots on the ground in syria. but here is what we now know. close to 50 special ops will be sent to kurdish territory to help moderate rebels battling isis. u.s. troops sent to syria are not expected to serve on the front lines. they are entering a very hot combat zone and can engage the ene enemy if they come under fire. joining me now former navy seal chad williams. he's been involved with iraqi security forces. he's also the author of "seal of god." chad, here we are, one week later. we were chatting a week ago today talking about the possibility of this happening, a possible shift in strategy. it's official today. your response. >> i think that it's a great call. the head of our enemy, the snake of the head is in syria.
we need to go over there and put a foot to that head. i guarantee you none of our guys in the special operations community are walking around with their tail between their legs. they are hungry to get over there. i'm sure they are saying, thank you, sir, may i have another. they are hoping chains will be cut and they can be sent over there to advise and assist and put a heel to the head o of that snake in syria. >> our special forces their mighty men are ready to roll. let me ask you about the language. there was a back and forth between our correspondent and a spokesperson. the notion of advise and assist versus combat. to you is there a difference? >> it is a combat role, but it's not going to be american forces on the very front in the spotlight. we're going to be working a little more in the shadows we're there in case these guys get into a situation where we need a little bit of backup. we're there to assist them. that's the assistance part of these advise and assist
operations. primarily it's going to be led by resistance fighters and we're there to advise them and teach them how to take the fight to the enemy against a fierce enemy. isis is evil. the beheadings and burning of the pilot and so many others baring these children. so they are going over there for a righteous cause. >> how mighty are the kurds who we will be partnering with to defeat isis? i have heard them described different ways. >> i have worked with them before. these are the kinds of guys that will not back down. i'm glad we have them. they are not the types that will abandon their post. so i'm happy. they are there to give their master a good run as well. >> i was talking about green burr ray earlier in the week. we need to go and leave a light footprint. the last thing the united states
needs to do is get entangled over committed into what he called already a sququagmire. how do we pull that off? >> that's what the special operations community is all about. it's about being strategic and crippling the enemy. going after individuals and taking out strongholds. that's definitely our area of expertise. this isn't going to be a large ground force. we're going to take them out in particular ways. >> how? without divulging what you know. >> without getting into security, taking some of these guys that are high value individuals and you want to go for the head of the snake. so that's there in syria. so if we could cut the snake's head a you have, it will be crippling the enemy going after these individuals and taking out some of their strongholds. >> chad williams, thank you so much. and thank you for your service. up next, we have chilling new video showing the interrogation of the former uva
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it was recorded shortly after she was found unresponsive in her apartment. police detained him on what he thought were assault allegations and then we see the moment he learns she's dead. >> what happened next? >> we had an accident. she was hitting her head against the wall. i said, stop. i looked at her. we need to talk about this. i was holding her arms. she should have been probably. >> you killed her. >> she's dead? >> i think you knew that already. >> no, no, no, i didn't know. >> why didn't you know? >> she's not dead. she's not dead.
she's not dead. no way she's dead. there's no way. >> 22-year-old. >> jean casarez covered the whole trial. number the courtroom. with these tapes, the reaction, this was from several years ago. why is this being released now? >> this is the first time i'm watching it right now. the judge sealed that videotape along with the other evidence. even the gallery couldn't see it and sealed it until the last appeal and that just ended because they appealed to the supreme court. this is a different george than the public has been led to believe we ever knew existed. he voluntarily went to the police department on that morning. this was shortly after he was last with her.
a source close to the family says he was extremely intoxicated because -- >> during this interrogation? >> yes, both of them were just about to graduate. they were on again, off again. that morning he started drinking with his father on the golf course and kept drinking throughout the day. when they got to the apartment, she was very intoxicated too. you saw on that tape right there he says that yardly began to bang her head on the wall also, but he admits putting her hands around her neck. she was found face down in her pillow. the big question was did george leave her there or did she put herself face down in the pillow. but she was a beautiful girl. they have a foundation for domestic violence. george says and you heard he never meant to kill her. but he was convicted of second-degree murder, 23-year sentence and he is in a virginia prison. >> awful for both families. jean casarez, thank you so much. just ahead, more on our
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>> super computers is about the hardware we use to calculate the numbers and processing the data. artificial intelligence is more about what is the algorithms and software we need to process the data. with titan, the advantage we have is we can run multiple designs in parallel to try to find the right design that works best. >> is is this the kind of computer we should be scared of? >> i love science fiction movies and seen the ones with computers taking over the world. we are a long ways from anything like that happening. let's get to it. this is cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. we start hour two with more breaking news. a bigger role for the united states against the most brutal terrorists on earth. this is a major reversal in policy. we'll see u.s. boots on the ground inside of syria for the first time to be precise u.s. special operations forces.
those are the ones who will be heading to kurdish-controlled territory in northern syria to help the rebels as they battle isis. but the specific mission of these u.s. troops is the stage murky at best. we just heard an exchange between the white house press secretary and jim acosta about whether this constitutes a combat mission. >> the question that the american people have, which is this president, this white house, the officials here at this white house repeatedly over and over again made it clear there would be no combat role for u.s. troops fighting isis. that appears to be changing. not only is there this announcement that you're talking about today which you say they won't be involved in a combat role, but you're not ruling out they may be involved in an operation. but on the iraq side, you have pentagon officials this week saying we're in combat. so it would be great if we could
have a moment of clarity to acknowledge, that yes, this mission is changing. it's not what it was said it was going to be at the onset of this. >> to say that would only confuse the situation. the fact of the matter is the mission that the commander-in-chief has given our personnel in iraq and now in syria is a train, advise and assist mission. we have gone to great lengths to make clear that that is in no way diminishes the amount of risk that our men and women will be facing. we have also been clear there have been situations where boots have been on the ground inside of syria. we have been candid about that. the president ordered a mission putting boots on the ground inside of syria to try to rescue american hostages. that occurred more than a year ago. >> that happened just a little bit ago. also to be clear, the rebels, these american troops will be helping are the same people who will not only be fighting isis
terrorists but also fighting regime forces and their ally the heavily armed russians. all of this a major turn around from the assurances we have heard thus far from president obama really ever since 2013. >> i do not forsee a scenario in which boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground in syria would not only be good for america but also would be good for syria. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. i will not pursue an open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. >> with respect to the situation on the ground in syria, we will not be placing u.s. ground troops to try to control the areas that are part of the conflict. >> the resolution we submitted today does not call for the
deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. >> join iing me now our senior international correspondent. so nick, let me go to you first. who exactly is going? where will they be going in syria? what kind of environment will these american special forces be walking into? >> reporter: under 50 special forces we understand, but it will most likely be around the area we think around kobani. the mission is aiming towards raqqa. that's where there are some syrian arab coalition forces along with a lot of kurds as well doing the majority of fighting there. who they are going to assist is still a little fuzzy. we do know there are a number of comparatively moderate groups
who make that up, but they are not particularly big and powerful and not really that often in the fight. so there will be a lot of extra equipment and backing up with airstrikes for these moderates if the special forces get traction to be able to work this out properly. but that doesn't translate into a sudden force overnight. much of it will be done by the kurds. that's kbi indicated for the turkish who are suspicious. it wasn't what america has been wanting to do which is create a moderate sunni force in northern syria to take on isis and then see what happens when they fight the regime later on. >> so you laid out what's at play for these americans. clarissa, you were embedded for days. not only did you talk to fighters, you spoke with isis militants. and they told you essentially u.s. troops, bring it on. they want americans on the ground.
why? >> it's a conversation i have been having with various isis militants who i u speak to for awhile now. it's always struck me as quite curious that they have said they would welcome u.s. troops on the ground. i think first of all, you have to see this as bluster and bravo do above anything else and propaganda. but beyond that i do think they have a sense that a visible presence of u.s. troops on the ground in syria would be very polarizing and perhaps they are hoping that they can capitalize on that, that perhaps it will push some other islamist groups that have been fighting against isis into the the arms of isis. but at this stage, we're not really talking about a visible presence on the ground. we're talking about a few dozen advisers who will be training, who will be assisting and what's interesting on that front is that the fighters we spent time with on the ground told us what they really need in order to
push into isis strongholds like raqqa is more weaponry, heavier weaponry, and there's still a big question mark as to whether this enhanced u.s. role will also come in the form of heavier u.s. weapons. >> thank you both so much. christopher hill, let me bring you in, former ambassador to iraq and dean at the university of denver. mr. ambassador, thank you so much for coming back. welcome back. >> pleasure. >> you just heard my conversation. you know the news. your reaction to this? >> well, first of all, it's obviously a very big step, especially in light of the clips that you had having our president saying he won't put boot. s on the ground because these are boots on the ground. now without parsing it too much, i would say the difference in
numbers is a difference in substance. we're talking only about 50 people. these are not battle formations. so it's not quite the same as sending several units in there. and i think the president is being very clear that the united states will not be doing the fighting. that said, i think these u.s. individuals, if i can say, can be very helpful in terms of helping to shape the battlefield and perhaps in a moment where we think it might be right to start pushing isis back again, so i don't think it's bad strategy. the problem is the president is going to have to explaining how he said he will never do this and now he's doing this. as for what's going on on the ground, i would encourage people to understand what's going on in syria is on the one hand a battle with isis, but it really hasn't been a damascus versus isis u. damascus has its hands full in
the other parts of syria. what this is is a battle out in the desert involving kurds, involving some sunni arabs to be sure. especially involving isis. this is not part in parcel of what we have come to understand as a syrian sectarian civil war. i think the big news in that regard is what has been going on in ve yes na. >> let me go back to your first point. we had a navy seal on who said this is advise and assist, but this is a combat role. we saw what happened in northern iraq with rescuing the hostages. we heard saying it was an advise and assist. they breached the compound. that was a combat role. so this would be combat. i just want to hear that from you. >> i certainly agree with that. the point being that if you're going to be successfully advised
and assist you essentially have to go along with these indigenous forces on the ground. i don't think it's really a proposition to stay back and come back after a day and say how did it go. i think you're absolutely right. americans will be in harms way. >> if we're just talking several dozen, and these are the mightiest of the mighty, the americans we'll be sending over, but we know as we heard from secretary of receives ak carter, raqqa is one of the goals. if you have several dozen advisers and kurds, can you really take this isis stronghold? >> well, i think they don't have what they need to take at this point. but i suspect that part of a mission of the u.s. operators will be it to try to encourage much better cooperation between the kurds and the sunni arabs in place. so i think you might see a real
effort to try to get these forces because there are a lot of indigenous force there is. get them to work together, get them to plan together and get them to attack isis together. so i think the idea is that by having these 50 americans, they will be kind of a force multiplier with respect to the indigenous forces. it's a high risk business, but we really cannot see what is going on the ground by being in the air. we have to have some people on the ground and so i think that's the inspiration behind it. >> ambassador, thank you. thank you so much. coming up next, breaking in the world of politics. the rnc officially suspending its next debate with nbc amid-the criticism over the cnbc debate a couple nights ago. hear why. and we have nbc responding as well. plus did taking the speakership kill paul ryan's chances of ever running for
president? his surprising answer just in with an interview with dana bash. and mets fans, you remember this guy? the new yorker who parachuted into shay stadium during the world series. ahead of tonight's game three, the first tonight in new york, he'll join me live. wait until you hear what he remembers about that night. don't miss this. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch.
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suspending its partnership with nbc and will not let them air the debate on february 26th. a letter to the chairman states why the rnc is pulling out. let me quote part of this letter. the cnbc network is one of your media properties and its handling of the debate was conducted in bad faith. we understand that nbc does not exercise full editorial control over cnbc's approach, but the network is in arm of your organization and need to ensure there's not a repeat performance. joining me now is political commentator michael smerconish. also with me is media correspondent brian stelter. hot off the phone. what is the deal with nbc? >> they say they haven't heard back from nbc. the ball is in nbc's court. this is an attempt by the republican national committee to take back control.
candidates are upset. campaigns are jut accept about how it went with cnbc. some of the blame has been on the republican party as a whole. so we see an attempt to take back control, take control away from nbc and have a conversation in the days or weeks to come and see if they can work it out. i believe they will work it out. others are not so sure. the republican party is saying we want to have a debate that day, whether nbc is there or not. >> the politics are brilliant for the gop. nobody wants to defend the media. the media ranks even lower than the congress. and from a political perspective, not an entertainment perspective, there are too many debates. the rnc tried to reign in. there were more debates in the last cycle that got out of control and tried to reign this in. they are probably looking at democrats and saying they have the right idea with a total of five or six. we never should have signed up with ten to begin with. >> we'd like to have more
debates. not just for television reasons, but also we'll get more answers to more questions or more avoiding answers to questions. at least we'll have a chance to test these candidates and probe the candidates. that's not what they want. they want to deliver their talking points and take their shots at each other and get off the stage. >> this weekend there was a meeting of the minds. >> among the campaigns getting together and initially the idea was that the rnc wouldn't be involved in that because the candidates are trying to reign in this process. they know they don't fair well when it's an extended timetable. >> some might not go to the meeting because the committee is trying to take things under control and call off this nbc debate. there's a lot of turmoil behind the scenes because of debate debate did not go well. >> i would not have asked questions the way the panel u.s.s asked some of those questions, but anybody
interested in this issue should take the time to google the transcripts of all of the debates and see if there's a discernible difference. the fox debate. first question to donald trump, are you part of the war on women? to scott walker, would you really let a mother die rather than have an abortion? if you had a son or daughter who was gay, how would you explain your opposition to same-sex marriage? >> it sounds tougher. it's like we're shocked to find there's gambling at rick's cafe, because of the way cnbc posed the questions. the cartoonish question, not something i would have said, but not too different from the way fox's debate went. >> these candidates are savvy and don't always answer the questions. >> you saw this yesterday morning with carly fiorina when allison was asking what i thought was an entirely appropriate question about planned parenthood.
and now the device is to say i can't believe you're asking me that. that's a media biassed question, which is a great defleck tor of legitimacy. >> does it show the outsiders have quite a bit of power? >> it does. because of donald trump, millions of viewers are watching these debates. as a result, the threatfrom a donald trump or a ben carson or ted cruz not to come to a future debate, has more power than ever. >> what are they seeing when we wash? we watch car wrecks as well. the imprint for the gop brand thuz far is not one that helps when the dust settles and independents have to determine the outcome. >> you're thinking about this time next year. >> thinking ahead. >> three steps. >> while i have you, can we stop talking about the debate for a second. i want to get to this chris christie sound. i thought he had a strong outing the other night. he's excellent at debates. but we know "the new york times" wants him to drop out.
there was an opinion piece calling on him to do that and he responded. take a look. >> i got welcomed home by the "new york times." they are in my gavel every day. now six years of governor. you can imagine how pleasant it is. and today they pick to tell me that i need to drop out of the race for president. so here's the thing. i now know i am definitely going to be the next president of the united states. >> so should he? >> when he woke up this morning and someone said to him, or last
night when it broke, governor, "the new york times" is calling for your dismissal from the race. i'm sure he was ecstatic in the context of what we have just discussed. nothing could be better. >> because we're talking about him. >> for the times to be calling for it, i know you used to be there, but it plays so well to the republican base that "the new york times" wants me out. >> it definitely does. just remember when these candidates, republican or democrat, are talking about the media, when they are talking about us, it's like wearing body armor. it deflects. think about what they are not talking about. >> substance. >> substance. >> michael smerconish, thank you so much. make sure you watch this guy at 9:00 a.m. on saturdays. there you go. time now to introduce you to another one of this year's top 10 cnn heros.
ten years ago maggie left her hometown in new jersey on a backpacking trip and stumbled on to a new life in nepal. she intended to help just one child, but today her foundation supports a home for 50 children in need in a school that educates hundreds more. >> i always said i would stop after 25. then the cap between 30. then the cap between 40. and that kid comes in that you just can't say no to that it's life or death. >> that is just a piece of her story. we urge you to watch it. go to cnnheroes.com. while you are there, read about our heroes, all 10 of our heroes for 2015. we want you to vote on your favorite. coming up, dana bash, one-on-one with the new speaker of the house paul ryan. . how this new role could impact his political ambitions in the future. >> do you think this is theened
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paul ryan is serving his first full day as a speaker of the house replacing john boehner and already talks are turning to his possible white house ambitions. speaker ryan just sat down with cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash. dana joins me now. congrats on the interview. what did e he tell you? >> it was actually interesting because i spoke not only to paul ryan, the now speaker, but john boehner, the outgoing speaker.
it was the last thing e he did before he left the building. and one thing that bain r told me was that the way he convinced ryan to run for speaker, because as we know he was reluctant, was to lay on the catholic guilt. he told him it was god's will to do that. and so when i talked to paul ryan today, i asked him about that. also whether this means it might not be president because it's very difficult to go from congress to the white house. but speaker of the house is a whole different ball game. listen to what he said. >> do you think this means the end of the road for any hope of being president? meaning when you're speaker of the house, it's a lot harder. >> that's okay with me. if i really wanted to be president, i would have run for this cycle. i had the opportunity to do so. i chose not to do that. i'm perfectly happy and content
with this decision. >> so there was just to sort of get the context, a lot of talk about paul ryan at the beginning of this presidential cycle whether he should jump in as he made the decision not to. but the idea and the thought was that he was kind of thinking ahead that he would stay in congress, stay as the ways and means chairman which is the tax writing committee and come up with broad tax reform. he's a young guy. he's 45. and maybe leave and ultimately run for president. but he's pretty much conceding that that's not in the cards for him anymore. which is kind of proof that you never know what's going to happen in politics. >> that whole life curveball, catholic guilt thing, you know. dana bash, thank you so much. we can't wait to watch more of the interview. do not miss dana bash hosting "state of the union" sunday morning here on cnn. coming up, guess who i get
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now you can. welcome to call bull, the best way to take your anger and all the hot air they spew during the debates. >> so what you saw there, this is the start of this interactive breakdown of the half truths lobbied on stage. with me now is the man himself, morgan spurlock. so awesome to see you. we never talk politics. i lovehat you took this on. the republicans getting to the democrats next. you fact checked every single candidate. can you tell me this took a lot of effort. why did you want to do this? >> the last debate we said there's got to be a great way to continue talking about the debate and bring some accountability to what people were talking about. we teamed up with these brilliant guys and with my company and said let's just break down the debate and tell
people what the truths are and what isn't true and give people to call bs. >> so you did this with every candidate from carson and his connections to the business, chris christie on crime rates. this is trump on his so-called self-funded campaign. roll it. >> i am the only person in either campaign that is self-funding. i'm putting up 100% of my own money. i will be putting up -- so far less than anybody and have the best results. wouldn't that be nice. >> nope, that's [ bleep ]. by no stretch of the imagination is his campaign 10% self-funded. unless the unsolicited donors have been absorbed into trump's body. in this quarter alone, almost $3.9 million have been raised by these undonalds. but hey, if you put your name on everything, maybe you think they are a part of your person too.
>> she wants some trump. we had her on the show recently. he's 100% correct at all times. a lot of people have had a tough time fact checking him because he makes a lot of claims. did you have a tough time? >> i think that luckily we had a team of people that we were chasing down facts. we didn't have as hard a time as you think. there was a lot of bs to choose from. >> it wasn't all bs. you called no bull on marco rubio and his claim that john kerry and barack obama missed 60% of votes while running for president. overall, who would you say was the least bs? >> i would say during this debate that rubio was the least bs. he had the most to prove and he's the one that stood up and came out like a champ. ben carson was probably the greatest bs slinger of that
debate. >> candidates come out and are confident and you found the malark malarkey. you'll be doing this next for the democrats. >> the next one is republican debate and four days later is the democratic. >> what do you anticipate with your bs meter? >> it's politics. there's bound to be a lot. it's going to be great. >> morgan spurlock, thank you for coming in. so nice to see you. watch the next season. congratulations, january here on cnn. coming up, are you a baseball guy? >> i am. >> world series tonight in new york city. the last time the mets won was the 1986. we will dip into the archives. we'll talk to a guy who pulled off the most notorious stunt in the history of new york city in baseball. you hear the chanting? royals not liking you guys at all. we're going to talk to this guy,
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i'i've been an elementary school teacher for 16 years. it is really difficult to afford living here in san francisco. i went into foster care my freshman year of high school. i think there was like 9 people living in a 3-bedroom house. claudia: 40% of the mission rock housing will be for low- and middle-income families. there will even be housing for people like micaela who are coming out of the foster-care system. micaela: after i left the foster-care system, i realized that i just couldn't do it on my own. not knowing where you guys are gonna go that night and just stay, like, it sucked not knowing that. mission rock -- it's completely different from anywhere that i've lived. it looks so much prettier. the atmosphere -- it just gives off possibilities.
like, i have a chance. i can print out like six different ways to get to work. i would be proud to have someone like micaela be my neighbor. i would love to have somebody like claudia be my neighbor. claudia: i feel like it's part of what san francisco should be. want to show you live pictures of atlanta. and hillary clinton is speaking to a crowd. this is something she mentioned about really working with the african-american community. that's precisely what she's talking about. a little bit of the context here, there are some black lives matter protesters there in this space and they are chanting and trying to interrupt her. at the same time, the other room is chanting hillary. we're watching and waiting for her to answer some of the questions in the crowd.
speaking at this we'll obviously closely monitor that. that's what's happening in atlanta. >> in the meantime, what's happening here in new york, baseball fans you can feel it walking around the city. world series resumes tonight. it's game three, but it's game one in new york city. the mets are coming home. they are down 2-0. no doubt they will need their die hard fans to cheer them on to a victory. and that is precisely what one daredevil fan did back in 1986. look at this picture. the world series, you had new york versus boston. game 6, a packed stadium. here comes party crasher 37-year-old mike searrgio on a parachute sky diving into the field during the first inning. the banner on the parachute read let's go mets. his stunt caught on national television. stunt also landed him in jail for 21 days.
but let me add the mets won the series. the last time they took home a championship. he did it to show fan support. he's shaking his head. i don't know if he believes he did it back in the day. they won the title. they won the series. obviously, you were a hero. >> i just made a jump. and actually i did it to support the guys. it was so much fun doing it. the wednesday before i made the jump in boston, i released a bunch of balloons out of the bleachers and had a little sign. when i saw that, said watch this it. >> it was because of boston and the balloons. >> i said, watch this. and one of my great joys with this whole thing is after i made the jump a new york sports writer wrote in boston they send
balloons. in new york we send human sacrifices. >> i heard that about you. >> so you do this, this is a no-no, by the way. so they won. had they not, you would have been kicked out of the city forever. >> i would have been living in canada on a farm. it wouldn't work out. >> you land, what happened to you? you're dragging your parachute. you get into trouble. you go to court. i understand the d.a. was really tough on you. what did the judge say? >> the judge, the local judge said that he was at the game last night. he was at the game last night. >> when you parachuted in. >> they take me from the stadium to the presint there where my brother was a policeofficer there. we had like a signing fest going on. they put me in the sergeant's office. i watched the game end and the next morning they took me to the
courthouse and the judge said to the d.a. i was more concerned with the planes flying over, not mr. sergio. let him go. they gave me 500 hours of community service in the central park zoo. and i'm from new york. i had had never seen a sheep. >> 21 days. >> that's the federal. federal was not having fun. >> you did your time. so are you going tonight? are you going? >> actually, i have this personal thing that i want to go desperately to the games, but i want the mets to just say it's okay for me to come there. i don't want to just walk in and be a little side show and distract from the guys. this really is about the mets winning another world series, which is phenomenal. my heart longs for it. i want to be cautious about what i do at this point. i don't want it to look like i'm going in there for whatever reason. but if they invite me, i would love to go. but i can watch them on tv.
they are so the spirit of the '86 team. they are just -- >> you can feel it walking around the city. kansas city did pretty well recently. >> they are coming back, two down on the road. >> can you imagine how the stadium is going to feel tonight? you were going to your grave without giving up the name of the pilot of the plane. >> 29 years later, unless the pilot if there was a pilot says to me it's okay, i'll take it with me. >> thank you. pleasure. great pictures. what a memory for a lifetime. coming up, we have more on our breaking news. the u.s. troops about to send ground special forces to syria. what does that mean? where are they going? but first, anthony bourdain joins me next and we'll ask about one of his biggest regrets from his world travels. do not miss this. type 2 diabetes doesn't care who you are.
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this, as i'm sure people are watching, eating their lunch, doing this as well. that was the least of it, by the way. i was sitting in on stephen colbert, the "late show" and they played, detailed. >> yeah. >> drilling of your chest. we'll spare you if you're eating your turkey sandwich right now. let me start with, why? >> look, i have tattoos, one more not making me prettier, younger, relevant or anything else. a possession of a very old car. got a lot of dents in it. one more dent isn't really going to matter, but i prorms epromis people. visit the former head-hunters living in ten years ago invited me to come back for their rice harvest festival and tattooing, a very important part of the culture. i said, i'll come back and want a hand-tapped tattoo. >> hand-tapped. >> old school -- how they do all of theirs. how bad can it be?
the chest, skin, muscle? how many nerves can be there. had a lot of tattoos, never really hurt. answer, it hurt a lot. two hours of hammering away. they were not in the best shape, because it's three solid days of karaoke and drinking rice whiskey. they were a little unsteady, and i just kept looking up at the camera crew hanging on. i figure, i could take another ten seconds before i start weeping and crying. at one point, had they started to fill in the dark part. dude, they're still working on the outline. you got another hour to go. i'm -- >> but it's done. >> it's done. >> it's done. >> yeah. >> tattoos aside. >> uh-huh. >> what was borneo like? >> borneo is really an amazing place. this particular ethnic group are fascinating. they believe in something called, i hope i get this, jalabai think it is. basically, a ritual of leaving
your tribe to go out and gather experience. so all the young people are encouraged to leave, go elsewhere, learn things, get tattoos around the world, and return, and share that information. which i think is a, a laudable ambition i can relate to. malaysia, of which borneo a part, some of the best food in the world. i have a particular love and affection for their -- their sort of soups and noodles and spicy china-straight-style dishes. a very happy place for me. a country i spent a lot of time, have some friends. have some emotional connections. so this was a return to a place i really care about. >> okay. awesome. and now too, from wild and crazy places like borneo to ca charleston, south carolina. awesome shrimp and grits, made many different ways. love charleston so much.
one of your biggest takeaways was the waffle house? >> i've been to borneo twice, and yet i've never in all of my life been to this magical, ex-zoellick wonderland, the waffle house! >> 2:00 in the afternoon. 2:00 in the morning. fun all the same. >> apparently no matter how badly behaved you are, they're still nice to you, smothered and covered, baby. >> i ate everything on the menu. i did it right. i went late at night, and i went with a great chef friend. charleston is, amazing as the waffle house is, charleston is not just an awesome place with a lot of great restaurants and a lot of great food, but it's a really important place in americ american -- in many places the spearpoint of new direction in american cuisine. >> great live music, history, palmetto trees, beautiful. anthony bourdain, thank you so much. appreciate it. new respect with the tattoo thing. new respect. make sure you watch his show this sunday, 9:00 here on cnn.
"parts unknown" do not miss it. that does it for me on this friday arn. i'm brk brooke baldwin have a wonderful weekend, don't move. sitting in for jake tapper today on "the lead." >> thank you, brooke baldwin. books on the ground. "the lead" starts right now, and breaking news, a major reversal. is the u.s. on the verge on sending troop on the ground in syria. >> and republicans fed up after the cnbc free for all tell the peacock network they are done. plus, after flames erupt on a commercial jet, firsthand report of the terror from inside the plane raising troubling, new questions about what really happened. welcome to "the lead." i'm jim sciutto in today for jake tapper. breaking news a