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cycles. they are looking at each district, looking to surprise three or four of these house rebels if they can recruit top tier candidates by the filing deadlines. keep an eye on that one. that's it for "inside politics." "state of the union" starts right now. >> the buy as that exists in the american media. >> and the party that was payback. then the governator. he may be replacing trump on "the apprentice," but is raising cash for another candidate. who may surprise you. and a reluctant speaker embras his new role. >> we've been too timid for too long around here. >> why paul ryan finally took
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the job. >> he figured out god has another plan in mind for him. >> paul ryan and john boehner speak out. plus the best political team on television will be here with insights from the campaign trai trail. >> in for jake tapper, state of the union is hotly debated. wednesday's republican debate on cnbc is like a political bomb that keeps exploding. loud complaints led the national committee to suspend the gop debate with nbc, the parent company of cnbc. they're going to see if they can come up with a plan for themselves of what to do for the next debates. one republican, at least, has his own ideas. >> let me lay out a radical proposition. how about if we say from now on
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if you have never voted in a republican primary in your life, you don't get to moderate a republican primary debate. >> will continue to be on the stage. john kasich, governor of ohio. governor, thank you so much for joining me. let's start with what you heard from ted cruz there, the whole idea that in the future only republicans should moderate republican debates. >> i'm the governor of the largest state in america and i've had so many questions thrown to me over the course of my time. of course, i was also in washington a number of years. there was a lot of chaos. i'm not really focused on all this stuff. who should be -- look. here is what i do know.
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i know harry truman couldn't get elected president with explaining united states of america's health care plan in 30 seconds. i would prefer what you and i did, that is to ask me questions over a period of time where i could actually explain myself instead of having to go so quickly to take on complex issues. >> i hear you. >> it's too short. but it's what you deal with. sit around and criticize everybody. it's just not my style on this thing. i will criticize programs and plans that i think are goofy, which i did in the last debate, things like shipping 10 or 11 million people out of this country and some fantasy that we're going to get the mexican government to pay for the wall or abolishing medicare or medicaid or making a voluntary program. i don't want to attack people. but i am going to attack
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programs that i think hurt the republican party, hurt the conservative movement and don't put us in a position of where we could actually win an election and turn america around. >> i get all of that and i appreciate the fact that you want to have substantive questions and i enjoyed our time when we were in ohio -- i mean new hampshire. i want to talk specifically about the fact that the republican electorate is different from the way it had been in the past. the red state which is a very conservative blog came after you and said for all that people criticize swreb bush, kasich is far and away the candidate in this field who is just utterly clueless about the republican electorate as a whole, worst to the extent that kasich does understand republicans, he dislikes them. >> first of all, nobody has ever been elected from the republican
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party that can't win ohio. y really care about blogs. >> the reason i brought that up, the conservative electorate for the most part is in charge of picking the republican presidential nominee. >> yeah. >> some look at you and say he sounds sometimes more like a democrat than a republican and they don't think you're conservative enough. >> but, dana, i balanced budgets. i was the chief architect in washington. we create d jobs. families were better i came to ohio. we were $8 billion in the hole now. we're $2 billion in the black. we have lots of school choice. i cut taxes by more than any sitting governor in america, republican governor. you know, families are better. wages are growing faster than the national average. our credit is strong. what is there not to like? here is what my goal is. i want to not only cut taxes and create jobs for families but ship a lot of programs back home so that people will be empowered
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to begin to build our families and our communities, which is about the spirit of our country. now if that's not conservative, you tell me what is. this week, the bush campaign -- >> it's so silly. i have been a conservative my whole lifetime. >> i'm not questioning your conservative credentials. it's the people who have influence in the republican primary process. >> yeah, but i'm doing fine. look at my -- look what i'm doing in new hampshire. you've been up there with me. i'm doing well in mississippi, heading there this week in alabama. we're gaining a lot of places. you know what, though? this republican party has to make sure that people know that we care about them. i care about poor people, about people who live in the shadows, about those who were mentally ill or drug addicted. we've been on these things for five years. now states are beginning to say, my god, we've got a drug problem in our country. what do we do? our people are advising other
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states about what to do. that is conservatism to give people chance to live out their god-given potential. because some people say they don't like my tone or i question abolishing medicare or medicaid that that's not conservative? listen. i have a plan to improve medicare and medicaid. i've done it in ohio. to say that we're going to deport 10 or 11 million people and divide families, that's just nutty. that's just not going to happen. and it will cost us in the fall because it will not stand. when the light shines. we have to rebuild families and communities and balance our budgets. >> governor, to get the nomination you're going to have to at least in the short term do better than, obviously, all of the candidates but in the short term do better than jeb bush and marco rubio, who tend to sort of fight in your lane in the republican primary process. marco rubio has been criticized
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by jeb bush, especially in the last debate for missing lots of votes in the senate. marco rubio says, you know, it's okay. you served in congress. who's right about that? okay. we're having some technical problems. we'll get the answer from governor kasich about that as soon as we can. we'll figure out what our grem ly gremlins are and -- oh, he is back. live television, it's fun, right? i'm not sure how much you heard of what i was asking you. on the whole question of marco rubio losing or missing votes, being absent from the senate. you were in congress. do you think that that is a problem? >> oh, i don't know. i mean, there are too many big issues to talk about, about whether you miss a few votes in the senate. what i'm more concerned about is what are we going to do to get the economy moving and get power out of washington. i don't consider that to be, you
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know, something i'm going to focus on at this point for the simple reason that there's too there that have the potential to turn voters off, who don't understand what conservatism and the republican party is all about. i'll give you an example, dana. we have a plan from one of the people who is leading the field that would increase the national debt by $10 trillion. now when you present that to people and say we're going to put our children $10 trillion more in the hole, who is going to vote for that? that's not conservatism. conservatism is cutting taxes and cutting government all at the same time to give us a balanced budget. >> governor, we have to go. bfore we do, i just want to say that you must feel a little bit like the cheshire cat and having that kind of grin in the fact that the former governor of california took donald trump's job on "the apprentice" but he is out there, campaigning for you. or at least raising money for you. real quick.
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>> well, here -- he's great. look, here is the thing. i try not to speak for arnold. if i do, i may be terminated. you'll have to get it from him. i love him. he's a buddy of mine. see you, dana. sorry for all the trouble. it's halloween, right? >> maybe we do have gremlins. i think that's a very good point. >> i don't know what the heck happened. >> when we come back, meet the man for whom flex time means sleeping at his desk. new house speaker paul ryan reveals his new unusual living arrangement. did you know that good nutrition is critical for brain health? brain food, hmmm. ensure has b vitamins that help support brain health - now that's smart nutrition. ensure's complete balanced nutrition has 26 vitamins and minerals and 9 grams of protein. ensure. take life in. while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets.
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm dana bash in for jake tapper. it was out with the old, in with the new on capitol hill this week as john boehner handed over the gavel to a man 20 years his junior, paul ryan. is a fresh face enough to unite a deeply divided republican party? i want to start with talking about big ideas. you speak about the fact that that's what you want to achieve, big ideas, which you're kind of known for, for medicare and medica medicaid. the tax code. immigration reform you talked
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about in the past. this is not a place where you can get big ideas done. how do you change that? >> i completely disagree with that. >> when was the last big idea? >> this is the people's house. >> right. >> where people come to serve your country. if you don't like the way the country is headed you have an obligation to the people who sent you here to change it. >> that's true historically. how does that happen? >> i cannot pick up where john left off. that is why, in discussing this with my house republican colleagues, we all concluded jointly that this has to be done differently. that's why we're wiping the slate clean. it's a new day. we're going to go offense on ideas, to be a proposition party, alternative party. that's where big ideas come from. we've been too timid for too long around here. that is because we have not given people a sense of what we can do differently, how we can fix these problems, where we would go if we give them the chance. that is what we have to do. >> how are you going to control the 40 or so members of that
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so-called freedom caucus in a way that john boehner couldn't? >> i think members didn't really have the opportunity to express their own views on the floor. i think the legislative process has been too tightly controlled and has to be reopened up. i want members of congress representing their constituents, having the ability in the process to advance ideas. i think that frustration is frustration that i shared actually as a house republican before becoming speaker. i think that's what our members want to see us do more of. and i think that's why i'm in this position. >> do you think this means the end of the road for any hope of being president? >> oh, i don't know -- hope of being president? >> meaning when you're speaker of the house, it's just a lot harder to -- >> that's okay with me. that doesn't really bother me. if i really wanted to be president i would have run in this cycle for the presidency. i had a chance, an opportunity to do so and chose not to do that. i'm perfectly happy and content with this decision. >> let's just look forward right now. there are people who want to
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defund planned parenthood. you have a budget deal in place next year, predecessor john boehner. you still have to fund the government by december 11th or it will shut down. will you -- >> this is what i'm saying about the opposition party. being an effective opposition party is being honest with people upfront about what it is that you can and cannot achieve. >> are you going to tell everybody, sorry, guys, we can't defund planned parenthood? >> i think we need to be clear what we can and cannot achieve and not set restraints given the constitution. we also have to push issues where we can push issues and speak truth to power. we have a president that isn't willing to listen, that won't sign a lot of our bills into law. we have a senate that has a very difficult process when it comes to getting bills voted on. we have to operate within those constraint. >> what will you say to your caucus about putting a writing of defunding planned parenthood. >> i don't believe planned parenthood should get a single
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red cent from the taxpayer but i believe we have to do our oversight. we're just starting at a committee to investigate planned parenthood. that's important. special committee on planned parenthood should be in the driver's seat of overseeing this proce process. >> but what will you do -- >> let me get you there, deigna. hang on a second. are we going to let congress work its will and have amendments come to the process and have regular order where we're going to have conference committees? yes. by not controlling the process, by letting it go forward, i don't know what the outcome is going to be. >> you told members of the freedom caucus that you were not going to touch immigration reform, something that you worked really hard on. you went out and campaigned with one of those liberal democrats in congress, talking about it. do you see any future for actually getting that done? why did you make that promise if you want to do big ideas? >> this president tried to write the law himself. this president went beyond his separation of powers to try to write the law. presidents don't write laws.
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congress writes laws. this president tried to go around congress to unilaterally write immigration law. you cannot trust this president on this issue. why would we want to pass legislation on a very divisive issue with a president that we can't trust? >> you said one of the reasons you didn't want to take this job is because of the work/family balance. i got more response on twitter, face book from friends and family all over the country saying, you know, wow, this is interesting that he's talking about this. but what's he going to do about it? >> i don't think that sticking up for being a person with balance in your life, for wanting to spend your weekends in your home, with your family -- which i work with constituents and my family throughout the weekends. i don't think that means, therefore, you should sign up for -- >> and i completely get that. but i think it's more of the fact that women, in particular, heard you talking like this and said, wow, he gets it.
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maybe he can do something about it. i hear you're saying unfunded mandate. there are proposals out there to make it work in a way that it's not unfunded. >> flex time. we have had pretty good legislation on flex time. that's a bill that i think is a great idea. so, marco martha roby has proposed. >> next generation, you understand how hard it is. most families, many families have two parents working to bring the government policies and laws up-to-date with modern america. >> that's why i would recommend taking a look at the roby flex time bill. >> your office is also your apartment, your bed, your -- the place that you will iv. >> everybody brings this up. >> you're the speaker now. you're really still going to sleep in your office? >> i'm just a normal guy. >> but normal guys don't sleep in their offices. >> i live in wisconsin and
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commute back and forth every week. i just work here. i don't live here. i get up early in the morning, work out. i work until about 11:30 at night, i go to bed and do the same thing the next day. it actually makes me more east of esht. i can get more work done by sleeping on a could the in my office. i've done it at least a decade and i'm going to keep doing it. >> thank you so much. appreciate it, mr. speaker. >> thanks, dana. so who twisted paul ryan's arm enough to get him to take the new job? the man he replaced, john boehner, who said he enlisted a higher power to make it happen. his secret weapon, next. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm dana bash. there were, as you could
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imagine, tears as john boehner left the house. i sat down with him on his last day as speaker of the house. >> let's talk about paul ryan. he said over and over again that he didn't want this job. you successfully got him to agree to run. how did that happen? >> i laid some catholic guilt on him. >> how does that work? >> faes not about what you want to do. god wants you to do and god told me. i pulled it all out. paul was the right guy. he knew he didn't want to do it, kept telling me he didn't want to do it. it was obvious to me that he was the right person for the job. and i had to do everything i could to convince him. >> now you know full well that
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doing this job might make it hard to go on to other office because you get messy. >> i think he got over that. >> do you think it's possible for him to become president? >> i think he would have liked to have become president but think he has figured out that god has another plan in mind for him, to be speaker of the house. >> what is the one thing with all your experience here, the good, the bad and the ugly, for him to want to keep in mind? >> be open, transparent and be decisive. people have no place else to go. and when you are the speaker and you're the leader, you have to make decisions and then you have to live with the consequences. tough part of the job. >> the budget deal that you struck just this week calls for an increase of $80 billion in federal spending over two years and exchange of variety for cuts. ted cruz said it's a complete and utter surrender.
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golden parachute will cement his legacy but is a slap in the face to conservatives. >> that's just total nonsense. this is real entitlement reform in this agreement. we've got a big group of members who need more money for our national defense. and all the increases in spending are offset with spending reductions elsewhere in the government. >> to get this agreement done, you had secret talks with the president. that must not have been easy to do with the president of the united states. you've had some troubled negotiations in the past. >> we have. but we have a good relationship. at the end of the day it's about doing the best we can, considering those things, on behalf of the american people. so, we had a lot of conversations. some were better than others. the one yesterday was a lot better than the one last week. >> what was the one last week? >> oh, it was just one of those conversations that just had to happen. >> you made pretty clear that, in your heart of hearts, you
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wanted to get immigration reform done. that has to be a regret that that didn't happen. >> well, it is. because reforming our immigration system, securing our borders would be good for america. unfortunately the president kept poisoning the well, poisoning the well to the point where it was impossible to put it on the floor of the house. >> why was it the president and not the right flank of your own caucus? >> probably some blame there as well but we could have dealt with that. >> what's going to be the best thing about being a civilian? >> i get to walk up to starbucks and back by myself. i get to walk to pete's diner and back by myself. >> meaning without your security? >> exactly. i can't wait. i can't wait. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about was something that i was sort of shocked about. you do yoga? >> yeah. >> i have known you for a long time and am having trouble with this image.
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>> i started july of last year. i was in a yoga class with paul ryan and some others. >> really? >> yeah, for a little while. >> does it center you also, or is it more about stretching? >> it's more about stretching. >> i get that. >> i'm not trying to be a yogi here. i just do some yoga. >> your office released a series of photos. i'm not sure if you saw them, from your time as speaker. and there's one that really, to me, looked like the quintessential boehner scene. it's this. >> yeah. that looks like me. >> looking at the view? >> looking at the view and pondering a little bit. listen, it's been a great -- >> do you miss that most, do you think? >> i'll miss the people around here most. we get to do important things, put our fingerprints on the direction of the country, fingerprints on history. at the end of the day it's the
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people you meet who make those jobs so rewarding. >> mr. speaker, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> good luck with everything. >> thank you. and coming up, jeb bush's secret strategy memo exposed. what it reveals about the campaign's plans to take down marco rubio. withof my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis... ordinary objects often seemed... intimidating. doing something simple... meant enduring a lot of pain. if ra is changing your view of everyday things orencia may help. orencia works differently by targeting a source of ra early in the inflammation process. for many, orencia provides long-term relief of ra symptoms. it's helped new ra patients and those not helped enough by other treatments. do not take orencia with another biologic medicine for ra due to an increased risk of serious infection. serious side effects can occur including fatal infections. cases of lymphoma and lung cancer have been reported. tell your doctor if you're prone to
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with the now republican strategist, ben ginsberg, who will facilitate at that meeting.
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thank you all for being here. appreciate it, especially morning after halloween. ben i have to start with you. later today you're going to be in the super secret place and you're going to be talking to all the campaigns and trying to help them figure out how to deal with their -- the fact that they're upset about this debate. what are you going to tell them? >> i'm going to tell them you need to figure out what to do. there have been problems with the first three debates. but it's their meeting, their agenda and their debates. >> because it's a little bit inside baseball but it's really boil boiled over, historically, at least the past couple of election cycles, the campaigns have all kind of come together and helped to organize who gets the debates. this year the republican national committee took over. >> yes. >> are you going to recommend that the candidates take it back? >> i will not be in the position of making recommendations but rather listening to the
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campaigns. i was lucky enough to be in the three or four last cycles. there are lessons to be learned. >> for example? >> as you mentioned in past cycles it was the campaigns themselves who talked to the sponsors. to news media organizations, you've lost some leverage. that loss of leverage is something that i -- the campaigns want to talk about, we'll talk about. >> congresswoman, as the only other republican here, you heard -- every reporter is supposed to show their voter registration? most reporters are not affiliated with a political party. >> they were correct in sending the letter to cnbc.
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it was over the top. people just want answers to questions, they want to see how these candidates react with one another and how they respond under pressure. i think that they just need to realize the media is not going to be with them. they need to get over it and move on. >> you're shaking your head. >> the media is not with anybody. >> oh, come on. >> the media is neutral. >> no, no, no. >> it's a conservative tactic to accuse the media in being liberal in hopes that they will overcompensate and being conservativ conservative. >> can i just say you are a supporter of hillary clinton. i'm guessing hillary clinton would not say that the media are conservative the way that she is. i think it's interesting that people want to be leaders of the
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free world, say they can take on putin and these various leaders around the world and are really concerned about the political aflgss of the debate moderators. >> i want to move on to the actual contest and not talk about the media the whole time. it's been a tough week for jeb bush. marco rubio, i think even he admits now, got the better of him in the debate this past week. on friday we learned that a very prominent billionaire who can raise a lot of money went and backed marco rubio. i spoke with bush after the cnbc debate. here is what he said. >> ana navarro just said she's feeling glum because of the performance that you had. how do you win them back? >> i'm running for the president of the united states, running with heart. i'm not a performer. if they're looking for entertainer in chief i'm probably not the guy.
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>> ben, i'm going to throw it to you. is jeb bush toast? >> no, he's not. central part of the debates to get to your policies is to be able to master the performance arts of the debates. governor bush needs to do that. aside from that, there's another chance. we not ought get too wrapped up in precisely what happens here. >> beyond the debate in terms of the campaign, he was supposed to be the front-runner, was supposed to be the juggernaut and he's not. >> timing. >> exceeding expectations in iowa and new hampshire. they've done a good job of setting the expectations game. >> he's not talking about anything that animates the american people, failed on immigration reform, backed off on so many critical things. he's not a problem solver. it's showing and he's losing. >> people have natural constituencies and issues they
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are known for. in addition to kind of being the guy in the middle on all of that, it is about timing. the nominee will be an outsider, not an establishment. >> it won't be marco rubio? >> i don't think he is an establishment kind of guy. he has fought through the senate. ted cruz has fought through the senate. c carson and trump are outsiders. >> he came in on 2010. >> on the tea party wave. >> what the american people want, big idea. >> appealing to that right wing base. i think he's not a mainstream republican at all. >> i just want to say that i have heard from a lot of democrats privately who say they are most concerned about marco rubio in a head-to-head with hillary clinton for lots of reasons but mostly just generational. it's barack obama all over agai
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again. >> i think that could play both ways. yearning for authentic candidates, this is a challenge for marco rubio. he had a position where he was a leader on immigration reform, working across the aisle. thinking it was going to help him probably win an election. republican base moved very far right and he took the 180-degree position from where he was. >> i think he's very authentic. >> she has taken the detour from where she was. >> people like authenticity. not a flip flopper. >> marco rubio is not a flip flopper. >> sure he is. >> you have to do this incrementally. >> do you think he will get the nomination with his immigration -- >> i think he could get the nomination just as it could be trump, carson or cruz. >> despite his position on
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immigration? >> because he has said, look, you need to do this in a thoughtful way and you need to -- he is where the house has been for ten years. secure the border first. work through these issues. >> i'm going to ask you guys to hold your thoughts. we have a lot more to talk about on the democratic side. we'll talk about that with regard to hillary clinton. she was interrupted on stage by protesters from black lives matter. what did she say to them? the answer is next. ♪ while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far. the next wave of the internet requires the next wave of security. we're ready. are you? big day?
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welcome back. that was hillary clinton disrupted from a group of protesters black lives matter. we'll start with you, congressman. black lives matter movement has gained such potency in the democratic primary process. their conversations with bernie sanders really do seem -- the guy that you endorsed -- really do seem to have made a difference in his policies. what do you think about their tactics like this, doing what they did? >> you know, when some white pastors wrote martin luther king when he was in the birmingham jail and said we like your goals but we don't like your tactics, he wrote back at them a document that's known as the letter for birmingham. >> sure. >> in which he said to them of course you don't like my tactics. of course it would be nice if this were so pristine and all
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comfortable but change happens in a disruptive way. i talked to these young people last night on the telephone. one of them is from minnesota. her name is chirante. >> these people who were at the clinton rally? >> absolutely. they're not against hillary or bernie sanders, but they expect that these folks are going to listen to them. but it's hard to break into the conversation. and it's hard to get beyond platitudes. they want a plan. they want meaningful change. when they saw that young woman get flipped that that chair, when they saw sandra bland get pulled out of the car, they feel that. they just don't feel that they can afford to play by the traditional, nicy nice rules. they have to be heard. >> and they are making a difference. >> they are making a difference. >> with their tactics. they are being heard. >> i think the conversation has to be all lives matter whether it's black lives or infant lives or --
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>> i don't think you understand. >> look what happened with cms putting out the medicare rule on friday afternoon that they couldn't get it in the bill in 2009. now they're going to pay physicians for counseling elderly on end of life. >> when you say all lives matter, you are ignoring centuries of an institutionalized american racism. you cannot ignore the fact that in your own state -- i mean, it was >> all lives matter. >> of course they do. the black lives matter movement is saying black lives matter also. black lives matter too. >> i think the problem with this it's like going to a rally saying all cancers matter. it's like you're ignoring the reality that african-americans are disproportionately, african-americans have been affected by police brutality. we have to address that problem.
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>> you think the democratic candidates are getting it now? >> yes. she'll rolling out policies and she'll continue to do that. what i find distressing is this an issue just for democrats. both democrats and republicans to talk to the whole >> should the black vote just be left to democrats? >> i think marsha is right. i think this is about all lives matter in the context of all lives matter, black lives matter too and so the republican candidates will end up discussing that in the context of the debate. if it becomes highly politicized, in other words this is a democratic movement to beat up on republicans and the effectiveness and the change that you want will fade away. >> right now they're beating up on them. >> i think we should go to all presidential candidates. >> i think it's important that people protest, raise these
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issues. the level of consciousness. there are now republicans of good will who are talking about criminal justice reform. that's great thing. the koch brothers are recognizing it. >> crime is a problem, yes. when you look at all lives matter we need to talk about how we protect life and recognize the sanctity of life. >> thank you for coming in. after the break was the 2000 presidential election rigged? candid new interviews 15 years later with the insiders led the florida recount. brain food, hmmm. ensure has b vitamins that help support brain health - now that's smart nutrition. ensure's complete balanced nutrition has 26 vitamins and minerals and 9 grams of protein. ensure. take life in.
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have it inside the smoke fill roo rooms and the supreme court. a well respected tallahassee lobbyist with ties to jeb bush and a long history in republican politics, max became kathryn harris' brain. >> we're going to be loathed by the media for the rest of our lives. that's not what's important here today.
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>> reporter: as americans watch the partisans duke it out on tv, behind the scenes max was plotted the republican path to victory. >> i said we're not going to break any laws. we were going to fight them tooth and nail, house to house, hand to hand. we were going to hold florida unless they sent in federal troops. >> reporter: rehe knew exactly what he had to do, stop recounting votes and preserve bush's election night lead no matter how small. >> we believed the result wrs right. i said george bush won this election and it's our job to make it so. we're going to close off any option, any path that could be followed that produces any result other than that one.
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people will be appalled. they stole the election. no, we won the election. >> i mean, wow. gloria joins me now. it's amazing the way you pulled that out of him. >> in every one we interviewed it kind of helps to have 15 years. we live in the spin zone. when you have that kind of a distance, you talk to democrats about what happened during recount, they were astonishingly candid with me about the mistakes that they believe they made during the recount. republicans, including james baker who ran the whole recount strategy talked about their clear message, clear game plan. why they won and what they thought team gore did wrong. with a little bit of reflection and a lot of time people are honest. that's something we're not used
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to. >> i bet you the democrats are saying is there a statue of limitations. >> the democrats say one of them said, we bought a knife to a gunfight. >> thank you so much. can't wait to see it. you can watch the full story tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. do not my it. i'm dana bash in washington. gps starts right now. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all you have in the united states and around the world. we have an important show for you today starting with syria. for years president obama has been insistent, emphatic. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in sir. >> now up to 50 special force troop will go. why the change in policy? i'll


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