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e. coli scare. three cases in oregon have been linked to a handful of the cases. thanks so much for being with me all day today. much more straight ahead in the newsroom. poppy harlow is next. hi, everyone. poppy harlow. thanks so much for joining me. we have a lot to get to this evening. first of all, crucial details on the deadly flight that took off from egypt headed for st. petersburg, russia, claiming the life of 224 people. tonight, a plane carrying the remains of 162 victims will land in russia. it's the first plane to bring home remains to the heartbroken families. also, look at this image of this little girl. this is 10-month-old dorena.
she's the youngest crash victim that we know of. her mother taking this photo just as they were about to leave for their vacation. the little girl, her mother and father were all killed. >> also tonight, in less than an hour, key leaders from republican presidential campaigns will huddle in washington. their candidates are outraged by the gop debate process. can they force the system to change and should they? also, my one on one conversation with one of the most powerful women on the planet. meg whitman speaks about her company as it splits into two and why she's backing new jersey governor chris christie in the race for the white house. a lot ahead. i'm poppy harlow. you're in the cnn newsroom. we begin with details about the horrible crash in egypt. so many questions remain as to how this could have happened. arwa damon has the latest for us this evening. >> reporter: poppy, a lot of
speculation at this stage. russian investigators and ministers have joined their egyptian counterparts on the ground trying to piece together whatever they can. the area that the wreckage is spread over is quite vast and that is causing the russian executive director of the interstate aviation committee to draw the conclusion that disintegration of the fuselage took place in the air. but he said it was too early to draw any conclusions. this comes amid much speculation that it was perhaps somehow brought down or that an explosion happened on board the plane. one of the isis affiliates in the sinai area claimed responsibility for that attack but it was quickly dismissed by russian and egyptian officials. militants in the area quite simply did not possess that kind of capability.
ee jim egyptians so far saying that it was some sort of malfunction but a lot of questions are being asked since the plane wasn't cleared for the flight and prior to disappearing off the radar there were no calls for help. no indications that it was about to crash. more than half of the bodies have been recovered at this stage, taken to six morgues in cairo. families of those who perished are waiting to bury their loved ones and begin the painful process of saying good-bye. >> i want to bring you some sound coming from the wife of one of the pilots of that plane just speaking out, talking about the plane's condition. let's listen. >> translator: our daughter had a telephone chat with him just before the flight. he complained before the flight that one could wish for better technical condition of the plane. >> let's go straight to les
abend. when you hear that, that this conversation happened between one of the pilots and their family member about the condition of the plane, i assume that's a conversation you've never had to have? >> no, it really hasn't. maybe in my early days. but, you know, let's just exercise a little caution here. it may have been lost in translation and we don't totally know what the nuance of what this wife received. i'd be cautious with that but it's a little disturbing, i do have to say. >> you wrote an op-ed on cnn.com today. you said, "the million dollar question is how did the airplane end up in an aerodynamic stall? was it a mechanical failure? was it a distraction event where an abnormality addressed by the
crew?" there is time to sort of rectify a stall like this at 30,000 feet? >> absolutely. i mean, we're trained in this situation. we just never get ourselves in that situation. but according to, once again, flight radar 24 data, there's an indication that this airplane just started to slow down very rapidly and then we've got information with reference to vertical speed that's very quick. in other words, in the downward motion or very rapid, i should say. if this was indeed an aerodynamic stall that the pilots induced mechanically, it's a recoverable situation. so it really disturbs me that this airplane ended up in the condition that it did. and we need to know the reasons.
>> yeah. >> and that's why the investigation teams should be assembling all their data. >> les, what stood out to me today in the new reporting that we've received, the head of aviation in russia came out and said definitively this plane broke out apart in the air. it's about 20 years old, not that old for this kind of plane, had 56,000 flight miles -- hours logged. does it surprise you that they'd be able to determine that very quickly where it broke apart? >> it doesn't. what concerns me is that initially looked like this investigation was being organized very carefully under iko, international civilization standards. that does concern me. the fact that it broke up in flight, you know, there are some definitive clues that would indicate that. there are pieces over -- now i'm
seeing 20 kilometer square area. if the plane impacted the ground at a high rate of speed, it's going to display a lot of debris in a lot of different directions. i was at a crash site -- one of the major crash sites here in the u.s. that displayed a lot of material in all sorts of directions and that was at a fairly low altitude compared to this one. so, yeah, it does kind of make me curious a little bit. >> and again, we were just looking at these satellite images coming from the russian transport agency. obviously everyone, all of these agencies trying to get answers. les, thank you very much. much more on that as we get it. straight ahead to politics we go and the republican campaign is putting there's differences aside for the night determined to come together and take control of the future of how those debates play out. are their requests realistic?
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it is a presidential debate revolt hitting the republican presidential own party. not invited to the meeting? anyone from the rnc which many of the candidates have criticized for sanctionsing wednesday night's debate on cnbc. cnn has learned that ben carson's campaign will make this pitch tonight, two-hour debates where each candidate gets five minutes for opening and closing statements and with 14 candidates on the stage, that means more than half of the debate would be given to individual statements leaving three or four minutes for each candidate to actually debate. by the way, that is if you have no commercials.
joining me now, cnn political commentat commentator ryan lizza. you got interesting feedback from some of the campaigns who are going tonight and some who are not going. >> yeah. one thing i learned is that the carly fiorina campaign said they are not going, they are not sending anyone, which is interesting because debates have really been a friend to her, at least the first debate. the rubio campaign noted that debates have been great, according to rubio, which are undisputedly true for him for the last debate. he was one of the big winners. they, like everyone else, says they want the debates to be more substantive. the candidates didn't get a lot of time on the carson side of this. they want more opening and closing arguments, more time to talk directly into the camera and talk about what they want
unmediated by us in the media. >> but here's the thing, ryan. okay, isn't that what an ad is for? >> of course. >> isn't that what an advertisement is for? is it realistic to have a debate like carson outlined? >> i'm not an expert on how these debates are paid for or put on by the networks but they cost a lot of money and i'm not really sure, speaking for myself, of course, that you're going to find a media partner that wants to sponsor a debate that is strictly opening and closing statements. so i imagine the networks are going to push back pretty hard against that because they cost quite a bit of money. >> you tweeted that after the cnbc debate, "if you can't take ten minutes of being grilled by cnbc hosts, good luck with
putin." but you're serious because you're running for the highest office in the land and scrutiny is part of the deal. >> agree heed with chris christie. he went out there a couple of days and said stop whining about tough questions. that's part of the process, is being grilled by the media. now look, i understand where the candidates are coming from. i think they are going to find some real resistance from their media partners. even from the national view or from the hugh hewitts of the world, they want a more conservative part of these events, i don't thick you're going to find conservative events that's not going to fly. >> it's interesting because carson is also calling for, in
addition to these very modified debates, fewer debates. if you look back to 2012, there were 20 debates in the season and there are currently 11 debates scheduled. you would think he'd want to get his voice out there more. >> i'm surprised. there's a split between carson and trump's camp over what they want to get out of this meeting. the trump camp wants the opposite. the trump wants to be the lesser candidates not doing well in the polls excluded from these debates and wants fewer candidates on stage. i think trump believes if he has more time and more debates, it's better for him. i think overall these debates are good for the republicans. >> yeah. >> and they expose their candidates to huge audiences. the complaint is that the cnbc debate was too hostile for them so it was not putting the
candidates in a good light. but at the end of the day, the media, they need the media and they need the media to pay for these things so there is no way that the networks are going to say, yes. >> it's not exactly apples to apples, when i go in for a job interview, or anyone else goes in for a job interview, you don't exactly set the questions. 6,000 inmates are leaving jail this weekend. what challenge does this pose for the people and their communities as they come back in to civilian life? and where they are going to live. i'll speak to the former new york city police commissioner who once was an inmate himself. he lived through this firsthand. that's next.
right now across the country, more than 6,500 prison inmates are walking out of jail. they are being released. it's more than ever before at one time. the federal bureau of prisons is granting all of those early releases for two reasons. one, it will reduce prison overcrowding and provide relief to inmates given stiff punishments in drug cases. this is the first wave of what officials say could be tens of
thousands of early releases. jean casarez reports. >> reporter: nationwide, texas receive the most inmates followed by florida and iowa. cocaine convictions account for almost 50% of the inmates to be released, followed by methamphetamine, marijuana and heroin. >> a lot of people think the crime is going to go up with all of these inmates coming out. >> i doubt it but don't know. if it does, it will be because of the conditions on the ground in our communities are so dire we have so much poverty and hopelessness and so much homelessness. >> reporter: new york police commissioner bill bratton agrees. >> the patrol bureau cannot hire more patrol officers so who is going to watch these people when they go out on patrol? >> reporter: it isn't the first time. in 2007, changes in sentencing guidelines resulted in reducing sentences for over 16,000 federal drug offenders. a five-year study by the u.s.
sentencing commission to inmates who served their entire sentence before the guidelines were in place. the study found that both groups reoffended at similar rates. so who benefits from a sentence reduction? the prisoner or the bureau of prisons? judge jack weinstein is a sitting federal judge in new york who has had to make sentence reduction decisions. top priority, he says, is safety of the community. >> and the first question that the judge asks himself is, if i release this person now or shorten the sentence, will he be in greater danger to the community? and the statistics say very clearly, no. >> with me is the former commissioner of the nypd. he's also co-founder of the american coalition for criminal justice reform and, for an
interesting perspective on this, he served time in prison for tax fraud. so you have an inside look, literally, at this. thanks for being with me. >> thanks. >> talk to me about the greatest challenge when these inmates walk out the door. many of them without the connections you had and much of society has. when they walk out the door and try to get back on their feet, what's the biggest challenge? >> well, the biggest challenge is going to be getting a job, getting housing, getting over the cloud of being a convicted felon and you don't get over that because technically -- i mean, that lasts with you for eternity, until the day you die. so 70, 80% of them will never be reconstituted into society as a full-fledged citizen. and that hurts. it's going to hurt them tremendously. but first and foremost, they have to stay out of trouble, as
bill tratton mentioned, there's not enough probation officers to monitor these guys. are they going to hire more? we don't know. but at the end of the day, there are enormous challenges that they are going to face, especially the guys that have been there the longest. we've sucked all of the societal values out of them. we've institutionalized them. we've trained them how to be better criminals and now we let them go home. >> what's interesting, when you look at the statistics, what they found is that 76% of inmates that walk out the door say that getting work is either very difficult or nearly impossible. but there is that line for employers. what they should know about a potential future employee's past and what is too much that it is prohibitive of them getting any kind of work. where is that balance? >> well, you know what, poppy, the reality is there's this
thing around the country so that you don't have to tell an employer going into a new job perspective. with google, they are all going to face the same challenge no matter how disciplined they are, no matter how respectful they are, they have that conviction and without diminishing that conviction or restoring their constitutional and civil rights, they've got problems and this number is only going to grow over time. we're looking at 6,000 number. this number could go up to 10, 20,000 men and women that are going to be reduced in sentencing. >> bernard, you have an inside look at this. you ran rikers island for six years. >> look at the site and read about it, read what we should be doing for criminal justice reforms in this country. i think every american should know what the system is like and
what the realities are. >> i appreciate you being with me. thank you. come back. >> thank you, ma'am. coming up next, my conversation with one of the most powerful women in business today. hp chief meg whitman talks to me on the eve of her company splitting into two. what is the future of the two new tech giants? also, does she see a bubble forming in silicon valley? innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b. get healthier gums in 2 weeks guaranteed. innovation and you. philips sonicare save when you buy the most loved rechargeable toothbrush brand in america. don't just watch the game, open up a can of football with a crisp, refreshing bud light.
it is now. hewlett-packard, as you know, is splitting into two different businesses. the first is hp inc and hewlett-packard enterprise which is the cloud software and service businesses once really focused at the enterprise and solution selling to help customers take their legacy i.t. system and move it to the next generation and the other is fantastic printers and pcs, ultimately 3-d printing. really just completely different businesses. >> if we're sitting here one year from the split, what do you hope that hp, the two hps, what do you hope they look like, meg? >> well, i hope they continue to look like really strong companies servicing the customers' needs brilliantly and that we are at the top of everybody's list when they are
trying to think through on the hewlett-packard enterprise side, you know, what their future i.t. needs ought to look like. i hope we're the first people they think of and i hope they continue to lead in personal systems and printing and on the hewlett-packard enterprise side, we need to grow. when you've got a challenge, who do you call? >> obviously you noted that splitting the companies is a risky moving. i sat down with a hedge fund manager and i want to play for you what he told me he thinks about the split. >> it epitomizes everything that is wrong with hewlett-packard. they are not improving their products, not getting the best people and in silicon valley, if you're not growing, you're dying. i think any tech company that's losing revenues to the tune of 5 or 10% a year is ultimately doomed. >> what do you say to him, meg,
and to those who don't see what you see in splitting the companies? >> so i would say, listen, we have two very interesting markets aby splitting these companies, we're going to be nimble, faster and with more innovation. if you look at what we have done over the past four years, we are reignited the engine, everything from flash storage to infrastructure to a machine and immersive computing. we have ignited the innovation engine and delevered the company significantly and we are poised now i think to take advantage of the new two markets. and obviously our objective is to prove the naysayers wrong and deliver for customers. >> each customer is unique and it's the only fortune 500 company, you have a female lead director. i'm interesting, though, meg, you've got less than 10% of the tech ceos that are women.
who is it incumbent on to change that? >> i think it's incumbent on all of us, honestly, not only as business people but citizens. in my view, we have to start with k through 12 education for girls around technology and science and engineering and math and encourage them to stick with it through junior high and high school and college. >> i wonder if you think quotas are an answer like we've seen in europe for some countries. sort of what the answer is because we've been hearing this for a long time, you have toed and indicate girls. you have to keep them in stem. and the results at the top keep being the same. >> i don't think quotas are the answer but you do have to require a diverse slate of candidates. if you're hiring a general counsel for a new company, you've got to say, listen, i want to see women, men, some african-americans, latinos. i just want to make sure i see everybody that is out there. and what i've learned over many years is to find the best talent you have to go get them,
convince them to come and you have to be very proactive about it. >> you joined ebay in '98, before the last sort of tech bust. and a lot of people talk about are we in a bubble now? where might the bust come? i'm interested in your read on tech. anything frothy that you see? >> it's an incredibly exciting time. i've never seen anything quite like this. it is a renaissance. that said, there are certain sectors trading at very high multiples. you still have companies that have no profits and trading at extraordinary valuations and are very, very young companies. they have not actually proven themselves. i'm worried that there are certain sectors that are boa bordering on being too frothy. i just tend to be a little conservative on these things. since i lived through that time
frame when i see, you know, prerevenue companies or very small revenue companies with no profit and valued in extraordinary ways, i think, gosh, they may be a little out ahead of themselves. >> when we sat down in june you told me you were worried about the economy and then this growth reading comes in, the u.s. economy growing at 1.5%. what's your read right now? >> well, i have to say, it feels a little better to me than it did in june. >> good. >> i would not say i'm incredibly bullish but you can see tech spending build up and confidence in the ceos that i meet. there's confidence in the u.s. economy. we had a very deep recession. it took a long time to start to come out of it but i do feel like there's momentum here. it may be fragile momentum but it does feel better than when we talked in june so i'm optimistic. >> we also spoke about the more than 80,000 job cuts announced
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with hp's ceo meg whitman. she's a pro choice, pro-gay republican who has chosen her favorite for the race for the white house. >> let's talk politics. you made a run for california governor not long ago. you are republican. you are baking chris christie right now. >> i am. >> interesting, what do you make about the state of your party right now? >> well, there's a lot going on and a lot of candidates out there. and, you know, i think the good news is, there's a lot of debate about the issues but, frankly, i think it will be helpful when we get down to a more narrow number of candidates so each candidate gets a time to speak more and talk more about the issues. >> you're betting on some one who isn't polling in the top right now, chris christie. but you like him. you're backing him now. why? >> well, i decided that it made sense to get in early and support someone that i had a lot of confidence in who i thought
could lead this country and i believe his record of being able to work across the aisles and get things done in new jersey was going to be an important criteria for the next president. i know him very well and thought very highly of him. to the extent i can make a small difference in his campaign and help him achieve the nomination, then it makes sense to get in early as opposed to sit on the sidelines. >> so when we spoke in june, i asked you about carly fiorina, the former ceo of hp and said, "she has a lot of strengths" and pointed to her business experience. why didn't you choose to back carly fiorina? >> because while i think business strengths are important, i also think having worked in government is an important part of the criteria. i think it's very difficult for your first role in politics to be president of the united states. and so i think interesting experience in either the senate or as the governor of a state i think is really important. it's just hard to be dropped
down into washington, d.c., never having been in politics before. so i wanted to have someone who had had some experience in politics. >> although, it's interesting because looking at the polls and how the voters are responding right now, it seems that they want nothing to do with anyone who's been in washington. i'd like you to listen to this clip from the debate this week, what carly fiorina said pointing to her business experience. >> one of the things that i think people don't always understand is how accountable a ceo actually is. so you know, i have to report results every 90 days in excruciating detail. i had to answer every single question about every single result and projection in public until there were no more questions and if i misrepresented those results or those projections in any way, i was held criminally liable. imagine, imagine if a politician were held to that standard of account. >> do you agree, meg, that that experience prepares someone for
the white house? >> so listen, i think business experience actually is nice to have. you know, if you can find someone who had business experience plus the political experience, i think that's a great option. i will say that governors are held responsible for what happens in their state. maybe not the way that we are in business but there is an accountability. and there's also accountability about elections. you know, listen, you can get voted out. while there may not be a day-to-day accountability or like our earnings reports, you have to get re-elected. if people don't like what you've done and don't think you've delivered what you would do, you won't win your next election. there's an accountability in politics and a different kind of accountability so i think literally having some experience in politics for the highest office in the land is an important criteria. i think it's an important one. >> topping most of the national polls right now for the gop is donald trump.
if he is the nominee, meg, will you back him? >> so, i have to wait and see how this works out. i'm watching the process just like you and all of the other voters because i have a day job called splitting hewlett-packard into two companies. it's been a little busy out there. let's see how this plays out. when we end up at the end of the nominating process, let's have another conversation. >> we'd like to do that. let's have you on. we'll mark that day down. but, you're a republican. i know you're someone who is going to vote. right now you're not telling me that if donald trump is the nominee, you'll back him. what are your questions about him? >> yeah, i'm not really telling you anything about him, poppy. let's just watch how the process goes. we're going to get to know the candidates a lot better over the next three or four months and get to know the democrats more over the next three to four months or five months. let's see how this all shakes out and we'll see where we are.
>> do you have any interest in jumping into politics again one day? >> probably not elected politics. i ran a campaign and fortunately i was able to come back to a great company like hewlett-packard and help in the turnaround of an american and global technology icon. >> my thanks to meg whitman for joining me on the eve of the company's major split. straight ahead, it was the election that would not end. you remember it. the race for the white house between george w. bush and al gore. ahead of cnn's monday night special, we look back at the decision and the drama. d iphone. get the new iphone 6s at t-mobile. the network that's doubled its lte coverage in the past year. our new extended range lte signal now reaches twice as far as before. and is four times better in buildings. get our lowest price on iphone 6s with trade-in.
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the other thing we all didn't know is just how crazy it was going to get. gloria borger sat down with the key players who still vividly remember every detail of the 2000 election and that recount. >> poppy, as political reporters, we live our lives in a world of spin, as you know. and so it was refreshing for me to talk about the closest election in modern political history with the players who lived through it. and hear the democrats talk about their mistakes and republicans talk about their strategy. one candid person is not a household name, that's max st steponovich who guided katherine harris through all of it. listen to what he told us. >> reporter: at the governor's mansion in austin, it was the morning after. >> how many hours of sleep did you get last night? >> about two. how about you? >> about 3 1/2, actually.
>> the one thing that keeps every operative, every campaign going is the knowledge that it's over on election day. you know that this thing has an end. >> reporter: but the election of 2000 didn't end. it just moved to florida. where 25 elect oral votes would determine the presidency. >> we were going to take lieberman's plane and ron klain was going to lead the charge, and we had a bunch of lawyers get briefed on the whole thing, and they were going to go off to florida that night in the middle of the night. >> i remember telling my wife as i left early that morning to get on the plane that i'd be home by friday. i was pretty sure i'd be home by friday. >> reporter: good idea. >> yeah. sthoets ♪ >> reporter: in austin, team bush needed a leader, a heavy hitter. the choice was obvious. >> we have asked former united states secretary of state james baker to travel to florida on our behalf.
>> he said, well, joe, how long do you think we ought to pack for? and i said, oh, two or three days. we're going to the sunshine state. >> by 2:00 that afternoon, i was on an airplane to florida with joe albaugh. >> he has one bag, and we get on the plane, a very small plane, fly off to tallahassee. and he says, okay, brief me. after about 45 minutes, he leans back in the seat, and he says, we're headed to the supreme court. i was absolutely blown away. >> reporter: supreme court. >> supreme court of the united states. i said, you're kidding me. and without batting an eye, taking a breath, he said it's the only way this can end. >> not everyone felt the same way, obviously. and so for 36 days, it was hand-to-hand combat, and the
warriors remember every single minute of it, poppy. >> fascinating report, gloria. thank you very much. you can relive all the drama in a cnn special report "bush versus gore: the endless election," tomorrow night 9:00 eastern only right here on cnn. take a look at this. it is a special "impact your world" focused on women. and we spoke with a former wnba player who is using her jersey to raise awareness about mental illness in this country. ♪ >> once dubbed the female michael jordan, she dominated women's basketball. on the court, she had the focus of a champion. >> out in transition. >> reporter: but off, holdsclaw spent decades in what she calls a mental prison. >> i was feeling like these extreme, like, highs and lows. when you're a star of a team, you tend to sweep things under the rug. >> reporter: the national alliance on mental illness says one in five americans live with a mental disorder, but most
don't seek treatment. >> ultimately sweeping things under the rug, you explode. >> the lady's name is holdsclaw. >> reporter: she took a baseball bat to her ex-girlfriend's suv and shot out one of the windows. after a decade of being misdiagnosed, she found out she was then bipolar. holdsclaw is now an advocate for mental health. >> i realized once i opened my mouth and i struggled with this, i realized a lot of people are going through the same thing. i have the same size feet as a 12-year-old. imagine these feet. >> reporter: she started a foundation and a program called mental lly driven. >> i use basketball as a decoy. i bring them in, get them talking about their feelings and emotions. we expect for heart disease. we need a champion for mental health awareness because it's affecting a lot of people and taking a lot of lives.
deep may help confirm its final resting place. u.s. navy search team this weekend believes it has found the ship's wreckage. the ship and its 33-member crew disappeared october 1st near the bahamas. six deaths in texas being blamed on severe weather. flash floods hit texas this weekend. major highways in dallas and houston had to be closed. fire officials conducted more than 130 water rescues just in the houston area. and chipotle has temporarily closed dozens of restaurants in washington and oregon after an e. coli scare. 19 cases in washington and 3 cases in oregon have been linked to a handful of chipotle locations. investigators have not figured out the source of this potential contamination. we'll keep you posted on that. the next hour of "newsroom" begins right now. as russia mourns the victims of the metrojet crash, investigators ask if an accident 14 years ago could have played a
role in this tragedy. also, gop presidential candidates are not happy with how the debates have played out thus far, and they are venting their frustration, this hour meeting in washington. they want radical changes. also, as the u.s. sends troops on the ground in syria, cities liberated from isis are learning the scars of the group's reign of terror could linger for a very long time. it is sunday evening, 6:00 eastern. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm poppy harlow in new york. this hour, crucial details on that deadly russian airline crash that claimed the lives of 224 people. in a couple of hours, a plane carrying the remains of 162 of the victims will land in russia. it is the first plane to bring back those remains to their homeland and to their heartbroken families. and take a look at this image of a little girl.