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we couldn't trust any of them, and i finally ran out of ways to explain to the audience what was going on. >> the chaos factor just went through the roof. there's always chaos, now we've reached the abnormal. now we reach a land where we've never been. >> that is just a sampling of what is ahead next hour. bush versus gore, the endless election, starts now. >> the following is a cnn special report. bush versus gore. the modern race in history. >> i kind of see my life flashing. >> an election night like no other. bulletin, florida pulled back into the undecided column. >> this phrase in my head kept
repeating itself. too close to call. >> launching a war for the white house. >> the campaign chairman comes in and says to you -- >> you better get people scrambling for a recount. and that was the holy shit moment. >> we were going to hold florida unless they sent in federal troops. >> 36 days of political combat at the highest levels. the worst 36 days of my life. >> it was awful. >> in the end, the supreme court had the last word. >> if you were a screenwriter they would fire you for this story. >> could it happen again? >> there's no question it would happen again. >> bush v. gore, the endless election.
it's after 3:00 in the morning november 8, 2000, the war memorial in nashville, tennessee. vice president al gore is inside getting ready to publicly concede the presidential election to george w. bush. >> it was total chaos as we were trying to get into the war memorial, pouring rain, and the vice president and leishman's family and that whole group had gone in and the secret service and police, everyone was on it. >> and i got on the phone with bill daley, and he said what's up, mike? i said billy, we haven't lost this. thing is going to be an automatic recount. this is too close to call. >> saw my life flashing in front of me and kind of break out in a sweat thinking, oh, my god, what are we going to do here? >> that's when he contacted david morehouse. >> everything was ringing at once and vibrating. told him, grab the vice president, get him in a holding room with joe lieberman. don't let everybody go out. everybody freeze. >> michael feldman was trying to get ahold of me.
feldman said, you need to stop the vice president from conceding. >> he cannot go out on stage. you've got to bring him to hold. >> the vice president is walking really fast. takes me a little bit to catch up with him and i caught up with him and walking down a long hallway and end of the hallways some stairs lead to the outside where the stage is. i just stood in front of stairs and said, mr. vice president, we have to go to hold. he said, this better be good. >> before election day ever started, the 2000 vote was too close to call. >> our polling was showing that it was a dead heat, that it was basically within the margin of error. >> for news anchors election night is the super bowl. >> we're electing the most powerful person in the world. >> and this election looked like one for the record books. >> any journalist with a name, what you want is a great story and this is a great story. >> election night for any
presidential contest is not routine, no, it's not, because it's too important, too historic, but as the evening wore on it was clear this -- this one is different. this one is different. >> this is a cnn election 2000 special presentation. >> if you've ever long for the nights that you've heard about when people waited late to find out who their leader was, pull up a chair. this may be it. >> we started routinely with the polls closing, and we watched the clock. this is how our electoral map looks at 7:34 eastern time. governor bush far ahead of vice president gore. >> predictable results in the states first to close their polls. then earth-shattering news. >> all together, according to senator -- >> mike, excuse me one second, so sorry to interrupt you.
mike, you know i wouldn't do this if it weren't big. florida goes to al gore. now, folks, the equation changes. >> it happens like this. it's in the ear, florida for gore, boom. ladies and gentlemen, let's pause right here because this could be decisive, could be decisive in the election. >> 25 decisive electoral votes. votes that could deliver the presidency for al gore. at the governor's mansion in austin, there was pure anguish. >> there was this pause, it was very quiet and when i asked president bush 41 how he was doing and he said, not so good right now. >> what were you guys thinking about the network projections that the point? >> i think the feeling from the beginning, from our people who were crunching the numbers was that the networks were wrong. >> karen hughes wasn't the only one unconvinced. >> i don't believe that some of these states, that they have called, like florida, i just don't believe they got enough evidence to be able to call the state. >> that state is going to flip, i really feel that way.
>> i do remember saying to myself, well, i hope they are right with this. basically it was, listen, don't question the decision, the decision desk. florida belongs to gore. >> but i think, bill, and you're the maven on this one, that generally networks do not call unless they have a pretty high degree of assurance, correct? >> that is correct. we have a pretty high degree of assurance that pennsylvania and florida have gone for al gore. >> then, two minutes later, all hell breaks loose. >> stand by. stand by. cnn right now is moving our earlier declaration of florida back to the too close to call column. >> ah. >> beads of sweat start popping out on my forehead. >> 25 very big electoral votes in the home state of the governor's brother, jeb bush, are hanging in the balance. this no longer is a victory for vice president gore. we're moving it back.
>> oh, waiter. >> too close to call. >> one offered crow, please. >> and i could actually feel sweat as i realized that this was wrong. we had to correct it. >> and so did every other network, within minutes. >> nbc news is now taking florida out of vice president gore's column and putting it back in the too close to call column. >> bulletin, florida pulled back into the undecided column. computer and data problems. >> we pulled it back until we can examine the data and see where we are. >> this knock-down drag-out battle drags on into the night, and turn the lights down, the party just got wilder. >> we don't only have egg on our face, we have omelette all over our suits. >> the numbers start to go back and forth, you know. we couldn't trust any of them, and i finally ran out of ways to explain to the audience what was going on. >> the chaos factor just went through the roof. there's always chaos, now we've reached the abnormal.
now we reach a land where we've never been. >> basically the projections are made by exit polling data and also actual vote counts from model precincts. >> but those numbers were off and they were shared by all the networks. >> this model had worked in the past. it clearly not only did not work that night, but it sputtered and sputtered and sputtered. >> the models didn't work because florida was a mess. confusing ballots left voters unsure about whom they had actually voted for. local election officials misreported vote counts and exit poll samples were just not accurate. in your ear, are they trying to be calm even though they are freaking out? >> yes, they are trying to be calm, but that's a failure. >> i was trying to be as transparent as possible. this system is breaking down around me at that point.
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in the early morning hours on november 8th while thousands gather outside in nashville, joe lieberman and his wife hadasa are in their hotel room waiting to hear if he will be the nation's next vice president. >> somebody had sent an arrangement of flowers to our room. and in coming into the room she expressed herself, expletives deleted, and basically sort of knocked the flowers off the table. >> everyone is frustrated, and then shortly after 2:00 a.m. it gets worse. >> bush wins. florida goes bush. the presidency is bush. that's it. >> the home state of governor jeb bush is going to be a much happier thanksgiving for the bush family. >> abc news is now going to project that florida goes to
mr. bush. >> just stop and absorb that for a second. >> we've got the tv on. all of a sudden, whichever network we're watching, you know, i think it was cnn, and it was bernard shaw, i think, broke in and said -- >> george bush, governor of texas, will become the 43rd president of the united states. >> i actually get a chill when i say it right now and i said i've got to go to see al. >> what lieberman didn't know was that gore had already decided to concede. he placed the call. >> he just said, governor, you know, i'm -- i've put up a fight or whatever he said, i forget the exact words, concede, a very short call. i think governor bush just thanked him. there was no love lost between either one of these guys. they didn't like each other, period, and so it was probably a ten-second call at most. and that was it. >> at the time he conceded, jeb bush was still over there at his
computer and he's like i don't know what they are seeing, i don't know what numbers they are seeing, i still think it's too close. >> were you guys kind of surprised that jeb was surprised when vice president for called to concede. >> jeb bush was the governor of florida at the time, trying to deliver the state for his big brother. he wasn't the only one scratching his head at gore's concession. >> our numbers were going back and forth. >> at headquarters michael whouley, gore's own numbers wizard, kept doing the math with no idea that gore's motorcade was already on the way for his concession speech. how is it that you guys in the boiler room were not told they were going to concede? >> i don't know. i think they believed the network news. when tom brokaw and dan rather said that george bush had won, they thought it was game over. there was a furious scramble to find somebody in the motorcade. >> maybe a minute after we left the hotel, my white house pager went off.
it was a call from michael whouley. >> i think my words were, where are you guys? and he said, we're at war memorial, and i asked why. i was obviously incredulous, and he said, we're about to concede, and i said, for what? we haven't lost. >> something was fishy, and it smelled all the way to austin where team george w. bush nervously waited. >> jeb bush looking like his life is passing before his eyes, because he's the good brother whose state is going to let down his brother george, and george and laura bush looking pretty like kind of shellshocked a little bit. >> finally after 3:00 a.m. a second call to bush from gore who was still hunkered down backstage at the war memorial.
>> the phone rang again, and i heard governor bush in this very incredulous voice saying, you're retracting your concession? and, you know, i mean, there's no precedent for anything like that. >> and then at another point toward the end of the conversation, he said, i don't care what your little brother said. the networks are all saying now it's too close to call, and, therefore, i've got to withdraw my concession. >> i mean, hell, his brother was the governor. he was like, my brother -- al was like, hey. i'll never forget his facial expression. >> so he hung up the phone and cheers and somebody says, wow, you called jeb bush his little brother, so al says i didn't call him his little brother. he called him his little brother. >> as the bush team squirmed in austin, it fell to gore campaign chairman bill daley to deliver an unprecedented message, that
gore had withdrawn his concession. it was 4:00 a.m. >> gore said to me, you do it. i said i'm not going to do it. forget about it. i'm not going to go out there at tv at 2:30. he said, no, you do it. my god, i've got to go out there to a billion people worldwide watching this in the middle of the night in the u.s. to try to figure out who is the president of the united states. >> this race is simply too close to call, and until the recount is concluded and results of florida becomes official, our campaign continues. [ cheers and applause ] >> george bush! george bush. up next, taking the fights to the street of florida. >> i wasn't a big fan of al gore's, and the prospect of evening the score was an enticing prospect to me. >> bush/cheney. bush/cheney. bush/cheney! bush/cheney. bush/cheney! it's back t-mobile's most popular family plan.
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>> the one thing that keeps every operative, every campaign going is the knowledge that it's over on election day. you know that this thing has an end. >> but the election of 2000 didn't end. it just moved to florida where 25 electoral votes would determine the presidency. >> we were going to take lieberman's plane, and ron klain was going to lead the charge and a bunch of lawyers got briefed on the whole thing and they were going to go off to florida that night in the middle the night. >> i remember telling my wife as i left early that morning to get on the plane, that i would be home by friday, i was pretty sure i'd be home by friday. >> good idea. >> yeah. >> in austin, team bush needed a leader, a heavy hitter. the choice was obvious. >> we have asked former united states secretary of state james baker to travel to florida on our behalf. >> he said, well, joe, how long
do you think we ought to pack for, and i said, oh, two or three days. we're going to the sunshine state. by 2:00 that afternoon i was on an airplane to florida with joe allbaugh. >> we get in a plane, a very small plane, fly off to tallahassee and he says, okay, brief me. after about 45 minutes he leans back in the seat, and he says, we're headed to the supreme court. i was absolutely blown away. >> supreme court. >> the supreme court of the united states. i said, you're kidding me, and without batting an eye, taking a breath, he said, it's the only way this can end. >> punching heavyweight for the democrats was former secretary of state warren christopher. >> we're proceeding in accordance with the constitution of laws and we'll continue to do so. >> both statesmen, both
diplomats, but hardly alike. >> you never met anybody who had more respect, but he was an old-fashioned by the book lawyer. jim baker was that plus, a down in the pit political hand-to-hand combat fighter. >> look, when i heard jim baker was going to be involved for the other side, i said this is a guy that comes armed on both sides. i mean, he carries two holsters and has other hidden weapons. >> baker and christopher had only one face-to-face meeting at the governor's inn in tallahassee where it became very clear they were fighting different wars. >> secretary christopher laid out a number of ideas about how the uncertainty in florida might be resolved and secretary baker listened politely but simply said i have really no idea what you're talking about. there's no dispute here.
governor bush won the election. secretary of state katherine harris is going to certify that, and the only thing we're here to discuss is the terms and conditions under which vice president gore is going to concede. >> there was never any thought or suggestion that we could come to a conclusion and somebody had to win and somebody had to lose. >> i heard you just came in and were sort of like we won. like we're preserving that. >> of course i did because that's what i believed and by the way that's what happened. >> baker knew to win he needed to get out of florida's courts. >> if we didn't find a way to get into the federal courts, we were dead meat. >> because the florida supreme court was dominated by democrats, baker had to make his case to conservatives who wanted to leave it at the state level. >> do you want to be ideologically pure, or do you want to win? >> they said, we want to win. >> and i said then don't be criticizing our going to federal
court because if we stay with the florida supreme court, we're going to lose. there was no doubt about it, and if you look at their opinions and the way they screwed us with those opinions, we would have lost. >> the gore team says the game was rigged against them. after all, republicans controlled the statehouse and george bush's brother jeb was the governor. >> we thought it would be close. never in my wildest dreams did i ever imagine it would be this close. >> if you own the system, which the governor at the time bush owned, you generally will win. they didn't do anything criminal or anything inappropriate, but as i said if the democrats had controlled the governorship and basically control the state, no doubt in my mind those calls would have been made for the democrat. >> jeb was sort of the wizard -- >> right. >> -- behind the curtain. >> he's governor of the state.
>> yeah. >> and there was chaos as a result of an election in his state, and he was going to come back and try to get control of this thing. >> between a rock and a hard spot. obviously he wants his brother to win, but he can show no favoritism in his role as governor of the state, and we weren't asking him. i don't believe that he pulled any levers. >> or maybe he didn't have to. maybe it was just understood. >> no major law firm in florida would work for al gore. >> even democratic? >> even democratic-oriented law firms because everyone was afraid of antagonizing the bush family, antagonizing the governor and losing important state business. >> did you have any evidence that they had been called by the governor? >> no evidence that anyone said anything to anybody. stuff didn't have to be said, right? it was just all obvious. it turned out that the name of the governor of the state of florida is the same name as the
person we were running against. and nothing had to be said, and i'm not saying that governor bush did anything wrong. i don't believe he did. i want to be clear about that, but it wasn't a fair process, it wasn't a neutral process. it was a process that was rigged against us. >> what was rigged? >> kind of everything. we can start with the fact that the person who was in charge of making sure, of directing the counties to do what florida law required, a recanvas and retabulation of every vote in the county was george bush's chair in florida, katherine harris. up next, the war that wouldn't end. >> i hereby declare governor george w. bush the winner of florida. >> we were going to fight tooth and nail, house to house, hand in hand. and we were going to hold florida unless they sent in federal troops. >> let us in!
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process working. >> destined for infamy. >> am i going to enjoy watching that tennessee robot cry when he hears the results? yes. does that make me partisan? i don't think so. republican florida secretary of state in charge of the recount, and she was also the state campaign co-chair for george w. bush. >> what we asked her for was that she would be an honest broker. >> and what was her response? >> oh, thank you. >> but you walked out of there and you're like -- >> forget this. you know. >> of course she was trying to win for george bush. that's what she was doing, but she was using her power as secretary of state. as the state's election administration official to try to produce that result, and that was wrong. >> my sense is she was trying to
do the best job she could. she had been thrust into this sort of involuntarily. it was a great big role. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> there was nobody she could call up and say i've got a presidential recount here, what do i do as secretary of state? >> she was very nervous. she was quite young and my recollection is this mac stipanovich was her adviser and he was a solid person. >> a well-respected tallahassee lobbyist with ties to jeb bush and a long history in republican politics, mac stipanovich became katherine harris' brain. >> i explained to her, you don't have any friends. let's assume we're not going to have any friends when this is over and we'll be loathed by the media for the rest of our lives and through the lives of our grandchildren. that's note what's important here today. we're going to elect a president of the united states. forget all the rest of that
stuff. >> as americans watched the partisans duke it out daily on live tv, behind the scenes mac was plotting the republican path to victory. >> i called senior staff together and i said, we're not going to break any laws, but i want you to forget about the intent of the laws. we'll bring this election in for a landing and fight them house to house and hand to hand, and we would hold florida unless they sent in federal troops. >> he knew exactly what he had to do, stop recounting votes and preserve bush's election night lead no matter how small. >> we actually believe the result was right. i said george bush has won this election, and it is our job to make it so, and we're going to rapidly as possible close off any option, any path that could be followed, that produces any result other than that one. people are going to watch us and
be appalled, oh, my gosh, these corrupt bastards, you stole the election. no, we won the elections. >> no you, you didn't, said the democrats, citing a long list of complaints. in broward county, hanging and dimpled chads that left voter intent unclear. in duval, confusing instructions to voters. and in palm beach, the now notorious butterfly ballot. how would you describe what happened to al gore in florida? >> he got screwed by a bad ballot in palm beach that the democratic leadership in that county signed off on. >> the butterfly ballot had punch holes for al gore and ultra conservative pat buchanan located dangerously close to each other, just asking for mistakes.
>> i can tell you that the people came out of the voting booth in the hundreds knowing, realizing that they had punched pat buchanan's number thinking it was al gore. >> had the butterfly ballot not happened al gore would have been president of the united states, no doubt in my mind, period. >> a big glitch that after election day left gore scrambling to fix the unfixable. >> they had a real argument to make about that ballot but only before the election. they didn't have it afterwards. the democrats signed on it. the republicans signed off on it and it was designed by a democratic elections director in palm beach county. >> he had very few options to fundamentally change the outcome after that. >> so how and how hard to fight? questions that would dog and divide the democrats. >> when you're in a fight the first person who stops fighting always loses.
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as days of uncertainty turned into weeks, the bitterness spread, even outside the vice president's house. >> get out of cheney's house. >> they were there praying and chanting, get out of cheney's house, so they were trying to build the image that we were the ones who were not following the law. >> behind the gates the gore family strained to project normalcy, and as his team
huddled inside it soon became clear that not everyone was in a take-no-prisoners mood. >> somebody came over to me and said, senator, you're a young man with a great future, and so is al gore, and i just urge you to look at the decisions that we have to make in that light. >> don't be a sore loser. >> yeah, and i was shocked, i must say, by that reaction. >> image was key during the recount, and each man stayed true to form. >> bush differed from gore significantly pause what bush did was to pass the responsibility and authority to me. >> they were going through the charade of having the transition and cheney was out there meeting with people and probably picking the cabinet. >> gore, meanwhile, maced every detail of the fight.
and the gore campaign you had gore at naval observatory. >> he was more of a micromanager. >> machines can sometimes misread or fail to detect the way ballots are cast. >> one of the biggest choices gore had to make, which votes to recount. the final decision, just 4 out of florida's 67 counties. why those four? why not just a statewide recount. >> those were four counties where we had concrete evidence of errors, inaccuracies, and mistakes on election day. secondly, the clock was ticking, and were knew that the time we had to get these things counted was limited. >> one more thing about the counties the democrats chose, they were heavily democratic. >> i think the biggest mistake they made during the whole thing was to ask for a recount in four democratic counties. that gave us the high ground.
they had a good slogan. count every involvement how can that be fair just to ask for a recount in your county? >> our legal strategy was predicated on four counties believing that if we went back and counted those four counties we would make up the difference. >> was that a mistake? >> very much a mistake. >> the florida courts let the recount continue for three crazy weeks as the tension became surreal. >> the gore campaign refused to accept the vote count on election day. >> the delays have been largely the product of lawsuits filed by republicans or erroneous legal opinions from the secretary of state. >> when the clock ran out on november 26th, secretary of state katherine harris grandly announced the results. >> we needed the nation to see that as far as we were concerned it was over, george bush had won, move on, and so it was important that there be some drama. >> and there was plenty of drama.
>> in accordance with the laws of the state of florida, i hereby declare governor george w. bush the winner of florida's 25 electoral votes for the president of the united states. >> good evening. >> the margin, 537 votes. >> secretary cheney and i are honored and humbled to have won the state of florida which gives us the needed electoral votes to win the election. >> and lieberman fired back. >> this evening the secretary of state of florida has decided to certify what by any reasonable standard is an incomplete and inaccurate count of the votes cast in the state of florida. part of why i went out clearly was to say to the public, this ain't over yet, you know. it ain't over till it's over. >> gore got more. >> and it wasn't over, just halftime.
>> the democrats went to the friendly state supreme court and won big. >> the circuit court shall order a manual recount of all undervotes. >> not only did the court deny bush's victory in florida, but it also ordered a new statewide recount of disputed ballots. >> good morning. >> advantage, gore. >> did you believe at that point at all that you might win? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> why? >> because we had more votes. we just needed to get them counted. >> vice president's residence on friday night was a party. everybody was thrilled about the victory in the florida supreme court because we felt that it was the preface to a victory overall because it would give us the recount we wanted. >> but there was no joy in bushville. >> excruciating, just excruciating. i just remember thinking it just
seemed unfair and arbitrary. >> it was like being on a treadmill. i mean, we never knew from day to day whether we were going to win or whether we were going to lose. we'd lose a case one day and win one the next day. >> as baker had predicted from day one, he would have to look to another court for the final outcome he wanted. >> we felt that we had sound constitutional arguments in our favor. >> i think it was probably the biggest disappointment that i've had in my lifetime in terms of what the supreme court has done. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.
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movie geeks. sports freaks. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. the election that should have been ended the same day it began is still dragging on one month later. >> 31 days into this, we've learned that anything is possible. >> like groundhog day. >> i just remember thinking, this is never going to end. >> after the florida supreme court allowed the recount to continue, the democrats could smell success.
but republicans pushed past the florida supreme court to an even higher authority. >> the u.s. supreme court has agreed to put a stay on the recount in florida. >> on december 9th in a stunning decision, the united states supreme court ruled 5-4 to stop the count. >> i'm eating lunch in a sports bar when television flashed on the screen that the united states supreme court had issued an order stopping the vote count. my first reaction was that had to be a mistake. >> can't be true. >> was true. >> advantage, bush. and so the final showdown was set between two super lawyers. democrat david boyce for gore who was desperate to restart the counting. >> citizen's right to vote. >> it certainly felt momentous. we knew the stakes were very high. >> and republican ted olson who went to work immediately to keep the count frozen.
>> i found, literally, a broom closet on the floor beneath where everybody was working, where i can close the door and think and write. >> after just 36 hours to prep, olson and boyce climbed the marble steps, each assembling into a legal stratosphere no one could have scripted. >> the time pressure is here. the fact that the presidency of the united states was at stake, the fact that this was a political battle, a media battle, and a legal battle all taking place, the perfect storm, all taking place in a very short period of time. >> for 90 minutes, the two men went at it. >> we'll hear argument now on number 00949, george w. bush and richard cheney versus albert gore. >> for team bush, olson argued that the florida court had change the rules in the middle of the game by allowing a statewise recount. >> if one reads it the way the florida supreme court did, that
the entire process is tilted on its head, you can't have rules that say they must be -- ballots must be counted this way before the election and count them differently after the election. >> for team gore, david boyce countered the high court had no business intervening in the first place. >> that is something that has to be decided in the initial instance by the florida supreme court usurping florida law. >> the real issue is which court ought to be making that decision? historically, it was always the state scattered showers. historically, the united states supreme court had never intervened in a presidential election. >> but this time, it would. >> they have reached a decision and word is eminent. don't leave cnn. >> for the judgment of the supreme court of florida is reversed. >> by a 5-4 vote, the supreme court decided the recount would
not continue. it was over and bush had won. news that would soon reach republican headquarters in tallahassee. >> we got a heads up call about ten minutes beforehand that said the opinion is coming. watch your fax machine. >> fax machine? >> fax machine. >> i got a call from austin from governor bush. and i answered the call and said congratulations, mr. president elect. >> we gathered everybody together. >> to the next president of the united states. >> everybody fought really hard. they had done an incredible job with an incredible setting. and precisely the outcome we had hoped for. >> you're still emotional. >> i'm still emotional, sure. it was just moments of pure -- of pure joy. >> or devastation if you worked for al gore. >> i got on the phone with vice president gore and started to
read him parts of it. we got to the part where the court essentially ordered that the recount wouldn't go forward, and that was -- you know, the moment when it was really over. >> what did he say? >> i said a series of four letter words. and i'm not going to repeat it here because my mom watches cnn. >> 15 years later, democrats are still second-guessing. nick baldich had been on the ground in florida for al gore. >> if you work in an election like that and it ends up getting decided by one vote, you constantly have to say to yourself, what could i have done? >> should democrats have been more aggressive? >> i think the republicans came to a gun fight with a gun and we came with a knife. >> did gore's initial concession set him up as a sore loser? >> do you regret telling gore to
concede in the first place? >> yeah, i do. at the point that we recommended that it was over, there was no other option as long as florida was with bush. >> should democrats have made more use of president bill clinton who was kept on the sidelines by the gore campaign? >> we did not utilize him to his full effect, no question. >> anybody else goes through the did you use bill clinton? that's all bull. >> al gore had won the national popular vote by more than half a million. but he lost the two most important votes, the one in the electoral college and the one at the supreme court. case closed. but even know, the dispute lives on because nobody can prove for sure how voters intended to vote. >> i think more people went to the polls intending to vote for al gore for president than george bush in florida, yes.
>> i thought george bush won. >> even republican operative mac stiponopich agrees. >> i believe people who went to the polls that day and voted elected george bush. i believe that people who went to the polls that day and intended to vote probably elected al gore. >> most elections are screwed up. the presidency of the united states is rarely at risk based upon that. >> i, george walker bush, do solemnly swear -- >> on january 20th, george w. bush was sworn in as the 43rd president of the united states. and the 2000 election entered the record books as the closest and most controversial race in modern political history. >> so to this day, you think you won? >> i think it was fundamentally a tie. i think if we had kept counting, it would have been very interesting. >> and maybe you would have won?
>> we'll never know. this is "cnn newsroom" live from los angeles. ahead this hour, no deal. donald trump breaks from his fellow republican presidential candidates to negotiate his own terms to the future debates directly with the tv networks. heat put new light on what brought down a russian airliner. a new clue from a u.s. spy satellite into a deadly crash in egypt's desert. plus, ninja cops. california department is whipping out nunchakus instead of batons to fight the bad guys. hello. welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. great to have you with us. i'm john vause. "newsroom l.a." begins now.