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here tomorrow night. "ac 360" right now. >> we begin with breaking news. in a string of potential development in the crash of metrojet 9268 the latest from cairo. today egyptian authorities said their on the scene work was done and the stream of information continued. so did the contradictions. russian state media reporting that investigators found no signs of what they call explosive impact on the bodies recovered so far. and the american satellite that detected a heat flash when the plane went down. rene marsh joins us right now. >> we know today the u.s. embassy in cairo issued an
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advisory, warning all embassy employees not to visit the sinai peninsula right now pending the outcome of the investigation. the u.s. embassy is calling this a precautionary move but no indication of a status change for the troops in sinai right now. >> there is new information about the heat flash detected by that satellite. >> we know that a mid-air flash happened right before this plane essentially crashed. u.s. military sources are telling barbara starr that one of their satellites detected a heat flash while the plane was still in the air. this suggests a possible explosion caused by a bomb but it could be tied to a failed engine exploding or a structural
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or mechanical problem with the plane. the airline is quick to come out to say there was no mechanical failure and russian state media just today said there are no signs of explosive impact on the bodies of the victims. no -- essentially no blast-related trauma. but we should point out that does not necessarily rule anything out. just look at 1994. there was an airline flight philippine flight 434 with 273 people on board and a bomb on board that jetliner, one was killed and ten others injured and everyone else survived. >> we learned that security measures have not been tightened at the airport. egyptian authorities saying they see no indication this was an act of terrorism. and an affiliate of isis claimed
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responsibility. what to make of it all? how much do we know about this isis affiliate in sinai? >> while this isis affiliate has struck targets around egypt they have been confined to the northern part of sinai. they rose out of the arab spring in 2011 but not until the 2013 overthrow of mohammed morsi when a wave of violence started. they have killed hundreds of police and civilians. they have anti-tank missiles that have hit tanks and a boat in the mediterranean. and they have shoulder fired surface-to-air missiles. and we have seen them take down a helicopter. >> they might have been able to bring down this plane with that missile? >> there are two theories of how they could do it.
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the first is a surface-to-air missile which seems unlikely and we can put that aside at this point. they can only reach an elevation of about 14,000 feet and this plane was at over 30,000 feet. the other possible scenario is putting a bomb on board and all the evidence points to that being a possibility, not the reason but a possibility at this point. and if that did happen, that raises serious questions about security at egypt's airports. egyptian and russian authorities have downplayed any link to terror saying it is most-likely a mechanical issue. but we won't know what caused this plane to go down until the investigation is over and what we can learn from the black boxes. >> ian lee, i appreciate it. i want to bring in david soucie. he is a former investigator and
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general mark hurtling. this isis affiliate claims to have bring down the plane. the name of the group is -- sinai. they have been emerging within the last two years or so in the sinai peninsula. they have been troublesome to the egyptian government and the israelis. last july the israeli defense forces said this is the most prevalent group in the middle east. they certainly have some capability. we mentioned the attack on a boat within the sea nearby by a missile which is a russian-made missile and used it every two or three days, attacks on egyptian ground forces. they are a relevant group now. many people in the multiforce
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observer group we have 700 americans there have been reporting on this group for about two years now. >> and the u.s. officials are saying this heat flash detected by a u.s. military satellite was detected midair. if this is a massive mechanical failure, what could have happened? >> well, the only way -- the only example that we have in history is that when an aircraft came apart in flight and tore the fuel tank in half and that caused the fuel to burn and causing this eruption or flash. that could be what this is. that than a bomb on board.y it's a bomb on board would not have within too big to rupture the fuselage and cause this to happen. most of the passengers have no explosive residue on them meaning it was torn apart from a
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mechanical failure or a small bomb inside. >> u.s. officials are saying it is a catastrophic event in flight. you believe a bomb is a possibility? >> i do, anderson. and i harken back to pan am 03 over lockerbie. a bomb near the tail section of an aircraft, in this case all evidence would support that given the fact where the tail section was found in proximity to the rest of the wreckage. a bomb would not have to be a large device as a matter of fact. you wouldn't get this idea of explosive residue or burn marks on passengers as a result of an explosion. all you have to do is knock the tail off that aircraft. >> i have never flown out of that airport. in terms of security, how good
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is it? >> a long time ago it was not very good. i don't have recent experience there. but it's a tourist town. a lot of europeans go there, russians, western europeans travel there because of the great resort area it is. that's part of the problem, the egyptian government don't want people to think this is an unsafe area. >> it's a big diving spot. >> a great diving spot. it is not the best security in the world. and certainly in the middle east. but i can't vouch for it in the last two years or so. but i think they have had a lot of trouble and attacks by these groups. you would think the security would be increased. they have had gate jumpers there and attacks there. this is going to be a new focal point. >> and according to the flight data tracker, the plane slowed
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down suddenly and plunged 300 miles an hour. and the direction was wobbling from side to side. what does that tell you? >> that it was a break up in flight. there is no directional control of the aircraft. there is no control going left and right. it would be consistent with an inflight break up. >> does it surprise you that the air traffic control did not have any distress calls. >> if you harken back to previous events like this, like twa 800 which was a fuel tank explosion, there was no chance for the crew to get a radio call off. >> and interfax is reporting that based on the flight data recorder there were uncharacteristic sounds heard before the moment the flight disappeared. can you read into that? >> going back to twa 800 there
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was a brief noise which they analyzed in excruciating detail which they realized had to do with the explosion in that case. and in mh17, investigators there spent time using the acoustic information to isolate how that missile struck and where it struck. so that kind of information is very useful and those strange noises will be poured over with the right expertise and can tell a lot. >> miles, and david soucie, thank you. more parallels between this and twa 800 and the lessons that apply 20 years later. later donald trump unloads on the competition in ways you have to see to believe. and he takes a shot at us.
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the breaking news, a warning to u.s. embassy employees in egypt stay out of the sinai. we have seen a terror group claim responsibility and thread authorities downplaying the possibility. there are hints of a mechanical failure and more questions than answers at this early stage. there are echoes of another disaster that cell vent two decades later. randy kaye has that story. >> july, 1996, twa flight 800 takes off from jfk airport. 12 minutes into the flight the plane explodes. >> we saw an ploegs up ahead of us somewhere about 16,000 feet
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or something like that. it just went down. >> you saw the two wings come off. and the fuel coming out of the wings. it was on fire. >> this pilot was on a different plane and he thought it was a bomb or inflight explosion. whatever it was killed off 230 on board. >> some said it was fireworks and some said a missile. >> the fbi and ntsb looked at every possibility. the black boxes were in good condition but offered little since both stopped recording. >> i spent hours and days looking at every piece of metal looking for the telltale signs of a missile and there were none. the fbi spared no expense to show it was a bomb and they couldn't prove it was a bomb.
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>> in the end, investigators determined that 800's center fuel tank exploded, causing the plane to break apart. the government said there was no proof of a criminal act. he expects the same type of conspiracy theories will result from the crash of metrojet's 9268. there is already talk of a missile and a bomb. a heat flash detected at the time of the crash suggests a catastrophic inflight event. that heat flash is similar to the red flash that people witnessed when twa crashed and that determined to be the plane already on fire at 8400 feet in the night sky. whatever brought the russian jet down caused the tail to break apart from the airplane. when that happened will be key to the investigation. so will the burn marks in the desert. the airplane hit the ground and
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didn't scatter, possibly preserving important clues. randy kaye, cnn, new york. >> and john joins us now. he is the first ever certified airframe and power plant mechanic to be on the national transportation safety board. few know more about how planes are put together and can come apart. how likely is it that this was a catastrophic mechanical failure rather than something more few neighb -- nefarious. >> it is unlikely it is a fuel tank explosion because of the effort to make sure that doesn't happen again. there was a tremendous amount of work and resources that went into making sure that we won't revisit that event again. there are other things that can happen to an airplane to cause them to come apart, some of them
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pretty easy. but the scenario that we have today doesn't fit any of the easy theories. something happened up there. it could have been a computer failure or inappropriate actions on the part of the pilots that stalled the airplane or a device on the airplane. it's not likely an engine that failed catastrophically and broke apart. it was something a little bit different than what we would normally see. >> there is a report that the victims' bodies show no signs of an explosive impact. does that rule out a bomb? >> no, it doesn't rule out a bomb. they have not looked at every body yet. i'm sure they will. if there was a small device in the cargo compartment that wasn't enough to blast the airplane apart but to fracture
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the fuselage and come apart based on the air loads which is what happened with twa, it doesn't have to be a big boom but just enough to start the failure of the structure and the airplane will self destruct. >> one part destructs and then it sort of a ripple effect? >> remember, the airplane in flight is under a tremendous amount of loads and that is meant to be transferred to strong parts of the airplane. so once you disrupt that flow of primary structure moving the stresses into an area you want it to go into, the stresses will go into the areas of the fuselage that can't handle the stress and it will self destruct. >> the same plane in 2001 suffered damage to the tail
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after it struck the runway but it was repaired. could have contributed to this crash? >> actually, the length of time can add to it. if the repair was made improper then the stress fractures could cause it to fail. but you know, based upon the pictures i have seen and that's not the best pictures and the best way to look at it, it doesn't appear that that pressure bulkhead failed. but if they had enough of a tail strike we may have weakened the structure somewhere else like the picture on the screen right here where the inspection is. if the structure was weakened there and had cracks in that area and they didn't materialize until later that could have been an effect. so you know, investigations are an exercise in time, patience, and following procedures. we have in the worldwide
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aviation community a set of procedures that have yielded good results for years and years and years. you're going to see 20 to 25 teams pouring over this airplane out in the desert, each doing their speciality, their thing. and separate from what the recorders and what everybody else says these folks are going to build a book of facts and those are going to lead to a n conclusion. thanks for being with us. and donald trump saying that we threw him softballs at the debate. keeping him honest next. well, because their technology is far superior. or because they have someone on the inside. is that right, gil? sir, i would never... he's with them! he's wearing a wire. take off his shirt! take off his shirt! oh! ah!
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. election day 2015, exactly a year until election day 2016 and we are getting a new picture of what it would look like if we were counting the vote right now. there is a poll which shows that a head to head match-up between hillary clinton and ben carson would be a tie if the election were held today which it was not. we have a long way to go. it got us thinking of the state of the last presidential race one year out. obama was unchallenged. but on the republican side, herman cain was leading. mitt romney was second. this time around it was carson, trump, rubio, cruz and jeb bush. donald trump was promoting his new book and trashing opponents
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and making claims about the cnn debate. this is what he said about my moderating the day after. he tweeted, anderson cooper did an excellent job of hosting the debate last night. tough, firm, but fair. >> hillary clinton was given all softballs not asked one tough question. >> keeping him honest, he is right. we did not ask one tough question but a lot more than that. here are a few examples. >> were against same-sex marriage and now for it. you supported his trade deal dozens of times and called it the gold standard and now you are against it. you are going to be testifying before congress about your e-mails. you haven't been able to put this issue behind you. you joked about it and called it a mistake. what does it that say about your
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ability to handle crises as president. how can you represent the views of middle class. did you underestimate the russians and as president what would your response to put been in syria. who would you do for african-americans in the cu country? >> as for his rivals, this is what donald trump said about them. >> jeb, he lacks the quality that you need. i think that marco is highly overrated. ben carson does not have that energy. marco doesn't show up to the united states senate. what jeb bush was saying at the last debate, he didn't say it well. bernie sanders lost his whole campaign. marco rubio's personal finances are discredited. all you have to do is look at
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his credit card. he is a disaster with his credit cards. he certainly lives above his means. my jeb impression? i don't want to do that. i don't like showing a person sleeping at a podium. >> joining me is jeffrey lord and van jones. jeffrey, criticizing the debate moderators, whether me or someone else, going after fellow candidates, is the reality just that? that those sorts of comments are red meat for the base own they serve him well or is there concern in the campaign because he is trailing in two polls? y i think it's the first. i believe that he is giving voice to the base of the republican party believes to its core in general -- debate moderators, the media, you know,
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all of that -- >> isn't it hypocritical for the day after the debate he says, you know, tough questions, fair, good job and a week later once it's the fashionable thing to attack the moderators given the disastrous cnbc debate he has a different opinion. that seems odd to me. >> or self serving or narcissistic. >> you are trying to get me fired. >> no. >> i mean, i'm on record -- >> luckily you're not on the trump payroll. >> that's right. i'm not on the trump payroll. but you're fired is coming over my phone right now. i thought you did a good job. rush limbaugh thought you were doing a good job. >> i think it is interesting he changed opinion a week later after the fact.
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>> this is the thing. >> go ahead jeffrey. >> you know, i just think just in general this belief goes back to agnew in the 1970s. this is gospel in the movement. it doesn't take much for any candidate for donald trump or any candidate to say something like this because they believe it in their core. he has expressed these feelings a year ago. i think this touches on a nerve here. >> the fact that trump is complaining that democrats got softball questions and the republican debate was unfair. i want to play what president obama said about that last night. >> have you noticed that every one of these candidates say obama is weak. putin is kicking sand in his
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face. when i talk to putin, he's going to straighten out. just looking at him. he's going to be -- >> then it turns out they can't handle a bunch of cnbc moderators at a debate. >> clearly big applause line for the president. >> but it's true. i mean, it makes no sense at all. these guys are trying to be crying -- and they have been - crying now for a week. i mean, my kids don't cry this much about a boo-boo or an ouchy. these guys are crying and crying. and the reality is, if you look at, you were throwing heat. you were throwing hardballs, you went after jim webb and said how can you be in the democratic party and called it racism and
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they did something remarkable, they answered your questions and moved on. so the idea that the democrats are weak and can't take a punch and the republicans are these tough guys, they are collapsing all over the place. and the hypocrisy. one more thing about donald trump. mr. authenticity. he tells it like it is. and he changes what the truth is about reality every 13 seconds. i don't believe it at all. >> jeffrey, now your turn. >> i haven't seen anyone whine more about fox news than president obama. if ever someone spent his presidency, particularly when he began he was going after fox personalities. he goes on and on about this there was a meeting with he and roger ailes to get fox news off his back. he is whiney about this.
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i find this amusing because he is describing himself with fox news. >> van, final thought and we have to go. >> any time a news agency names itself after a furry predatory mammal, i think the name speaks for itself. >> it was william fox a century ago. >> van jones and jeffrey lord thank you. >> donald trump will be on cnn tomorrow morning on "new day" starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern. the governor's mansion changing hands in kentucky. cnn projecting that matt bevin will win that race. outgoing governor that took federal money to expand medicaid coverage and matt bevin promises to reverse that. a dying child's wish and her parent's decision to honor it.
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is a 5-year-old old enough to choose heaven over the hospital? can she truly understand what it means?
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our next story is about the most wrenching decision a parent can face.
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imagine your child is sick and doctors cannot cure her and she told you she wanted to go to heaven. would you honor her wish? what if she was just 5 years old? >> what princess are you today? cinderella? juliana snow has a disease that is slowly taking her life. she can't walk or breathe on her own or use her hands to play with glitter. >> there is no such thing as too much. >> no such thing as too much. >> the next time she gets a cold or any infection her body will be too weak to fight it off. >> what do the doctors tell you is likely to happen if she were to get another cold. >> she will most likely die. >> juliana's doctors presented her parents with two devastating option, juliana could die at home in her pink princess room
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made comfortable surrounded by family or she could go to the hospital, where treatment likely couldn't save her or even if it did she would likely have a terrible quality of life. >> everyone told us there is no right answer. >> so they answered juliana something no parent could fathom. they asked what she wanted to do, go to the hospital or go to heaven? >> you blogged about it? >> yes. >> take a look. >> if you get sick again do you want to go to the hospital or stay home? not the hospital. even if that means you will go to heaven if you stay home. yes. and you know that you will go by yourself first? don't worry, god will take care of me. and if you go to the hospital it may help you get better so you can spend more time with us. hospital may let you have more
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time with mommy and daddy. i understand. >> juliana said she hated the hospital. >> you stick a tube on a suction machine and stick it up the nose and down into the throat and you start suctioning. if given the choice of me or one of the respiratory techs she asks for me to do it. >> was that hard to do? >> yeah. >> could you watch her go through that again? would it save her life to do it again? >> i don't think so. >> michelle and steve say when the time comes they'll honor their daughter's wishes to die at home and go to heaven over go to the hospital. >> some parents wouldn't have consulted a child so young. you asked your daughter at the age of 4, what do you think? >> juliana had to go through
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hundreds of rounds of suctioning. she knows what that was. she was awake for every single one. she knows what that is. she has a right and has a say. >> the doctors say she is a wise 5-year-old and they support her parents' decision to carry out her wishes. for now she is enjoying her life with her parents, her big brother, alex. >>. ♪ can't hold it back any more ♪ let it go let it go >> and her princesses. elsa and anna are cousins? >> they are sisters. >> it's anna. i'm sorry. >> she forgives you. >> what are your realistic hopes for her for the rest of the time she does have left? >> be comfortable and happy and feel loved. >> what's gotten you through it?
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>> faith. >> i can be certain that god listens to you and me. >> faith that she will be in a better place when her time comes and we can go join her some day and this will pass away. >> what do you want people to remember about juliana? >> her heart. she is just so much love. so much love. >> so sad. elizabeth joins us now. juliana talks about what she thinks heaven will be like. >> her mother says that what they discussed is that in heaven she won't be in a wheelchair and she will be able to run around outside and play and eat, none of which she can do right now. >> and her doctors are supportive of their decision? >> they are. all are supportive of the
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choice. the nurse in the intensive care unit who was with her said there is no cure for her and i want her living and dying in her princess room at home surrounded by her family, not by the cold technology of the hospital. and her doctor told me, for her there is no light at tend of the tunnel, she doesn't have a lot of time left to live. i have faith in her mother and father and they have her best wishes at heart. >> thank you. a really difficult report. you can join her at the story is heart wrenching and raises profound questions. we want to talk about it with the founding director of the decision of medical ethics and the director of the medical ethics department at the children's hospital in
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philadelphia. art, an ethical dilemma and horrible situation. what do you think about asking the child? >> the child is a hero and the family is courageous. my heart goes out to them. you have to listen to the child. i have no issue with allowing her to go in her own room but i get nervous when i hear them say i will let her decide. you have to listen careful. sometimes kids are getting a bone marrow transplant and the kid says i don't want this at 4 or 5 and we don't say okay you're going to make the call. we let the parents push forward if they think it is best. they are making the decision and listen hard to her. but at the end of the day, the parents have to do this, not 5-years-old. >> chris, you are a
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pediatrician, and you have asked dying kids at your hospital whether they want to live or die and taken that into consideration. why for you is that so important? >> well, i think that this is a story, fundamentally, a family united with deep compassion and love and kindness and courage that is remarkable, embracing their daughter and her journey with this severe illness and trying to figure out with her, as art is saying, what are her preferences and how does she want to live? not just a story about dying. it's about how do you live with serious illness which is what we are trying to figure out as we take care of children, what do they care most about? >> you don't believe that the parents should rely solely on
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the opinion of their child? >> i don't think that's the story. i think the blog was written to wake us up to the reality that children often have a clear sense of what their preferences are and what they are afraid of and hoping for. and i can't express my deep enough admiration for what this family has done and enabling that child to talk about what her hopes are and what she is afraid of and the suctioning et cetera and bringing that into the decision-making process. the doctors and nurses are in agreement, the family is in agreement, the girl is in agreement. this is a remarkable case of doing what we hope, bring the child in and bring everybody in and figure out the best way to love this girl. >> not just the strength of the girl but the strength of the parents to turn to her. they could have very easily said, you know, we're going to
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exhaust every medical possibility and even in the face of overwhelming odds -- >> we want you to stay with us. >> instead, this is the most difficult decision they can possibly make. but is it similar to a dnr on an elderly patient? is there some sort of -- >> that's a great question. and i think they are different. the 85-year-old you have a sense of their values and what they would want. they are autonomous. they have self determination. may be hard to hear them. maybe they didn't pick someone to speak for them. but buried in there somewhere when you have an elderly person who cannot communicate well, you know what their life is like. as a 5-year-old, they have limited concepts. understand heaven in a fairy tale sort of way and we have
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limits on time yesterday as opposed to a month ago. we want to listen to the child but i don't want people saying at 5 and 4 in the health care system we have to let kids make these decisions. i don't want anybody to think this wasn't a team decision, a family decision. >> it seems like it was. thank you so much and thank you for all you do. incredible work. we have more breaking information about the plane crash in the sinai peninsula coming up. this is claira.
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an uber driver who tried to throw him out of the car because the executive was too drunk to give directions. the driver used pepper spray to fight him off. the passenger has been charged with assault. >> randy, thank you very much. breaking news on metrojet 9268, rush 24 is reporting on the spread of the debris field. the tail ended up five kilometers or three miles from the wreckage. the tail did not have signs of burning from a fire. that is according to rush that 24. as we think about that and the 224 souls lost when it went down in the sinai desert, there were 25 children aboard that flight lives cut short as they were just beginning. >> the youngest victim was only 10 months old. this is her with her hands
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pressed up against the window watching the planes take off. her mother posted this image a few hours before they boarded their plane for egypt along with a photo of their passports and tickets. a proud mom, she shared many pictures on social media. this caption says my princess. she would have turned 1 on the day after christmas. anton posted this picture on october 24th with the words farewell russia underneath. he celebrated his 10th birthday last week. she was on board the flight with alaina who just turned 5. diana was in egypt with her parents. she was only 4. olga and yuri brought their
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daughter to egypt to enjoy time in the sun. in this picture the words egypt 2015 are written in the sand. one of the last photos is of yuri holding the girl before boarding the plane. she was just 3 years old. the picture was posted before they took off with the caption we're going home. that does it for this edition of "ac 360." cough it's four cold symptom fighters put you back in control. stay unstoppable. alka-seltzer plus. ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight.
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