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deliberating targeted. there were 421 homicides in chicago so far this year. that is it for us tonight. thank you for joining us. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. night. "ac 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- good evening, thanks very much for joining us as we have been doing throughout the night, we begin this hour with breaking news and a terrifying thought, that isis succeeded in taking down a commercial airliner with a bomb. it is not a certainty at this hour but it is a growing belief inside the intelligence community that a bomb destroyed metrojet 9268 and it was an inside job done with the help from someone at the egyptian airport where the flight originated. now, the first inkling came this morning. it was a drum beat as british and american sources began talking about what they know, how they know it and why the threat may still be ongoing. we learned shortly before air time about security measures that british authorities are taking.
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tonight the latest evidence, the reaction in washington, london, st. petersburg, russia, where the airbus was heading with 234 people on board, including 25 children. we'll take a closer look at security in egypt at the airport in sham el-sheikh and here at home. we have correspondents everywhere, the story is breaking. barbara starr at the pentagon, phil black, and in sham el sheik. erin mclaughlin. barbara, what have you learned? >> reporter: good evening, anderson. it was midday when u.s. officials began talking about this. a u.s. official teling cnn and i want to quote directly, quote, there is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage of somewhere on the plane. they have had this feeling all week. they are beginning to assemble the intelligence, not a certainty but growing indications this is where their thinking is heading.
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they had been watching sinai for some time, watching militant activity growing there. the feeling they have now is that it is isis or an isis affiliate most likely behind it if indeed it proves to be a bomb on board the airplane and of course, this will change the world's calculation about what isis is capable of doing. >> so how are u.s. authorities saying they got this information? and did they have intelligence about a specific threat prior to the crash? >> right, okay. u.s. officials are telling cnn that, no, they didn't have a specific, credible, timely information about a threat before the crash, before this incident. but in watching this militant activity grow in sinai, it had caught their attention. and after the crash, the incident, they went back, they looked at it and began to develop more intelligence, more information. and they had been monitoring
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isis chatter, so to speak. we don't know if that cell phone conversation, online postings, isis well-known for using very secure chat rooms. the u.s. monitors isis communications secretly covertly as much as it can and it does appear that isis chatter about this, a claim of responsibility not a public claim, but some other sort of more covert claim in their chatter is at least a key part of what captured the u.s. attention. >> okay. so this idea that someone at the airport, to use the exact words i think you used was involved, what does that actually mean? someone who services the plane, who has access to the plane, not through the passenger screening? >> right, well that's what we don't know. a u.s. official tells me, you know, without offering a lot of intelligence detail, they believe it was essentially a conventional explosive, not plastic explosive, not something that could be so advanced it
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sneaks past airport detection because there is no metal in it. they think it was fairly conventional, either snuck on board in passenger luggage or by someone, as you say, service personnel who may have had contact with the aircraft, all eyes focused on that airport, anderson. >> barbara starr, appreciate it. want to get the latest from london where flights to and from sham el-sheikh have been canceled and a meeting of the government's emergency security committee and additionally, we learned a security delegation sent by london just arrived in sham el-sheikh. our phil black joins us now with more from there. the news this morning that the prime minister saying a bomb may have brought down the plane, is there any sense what may have led him to say that, come out publicly to say that, what kind of intelligence the british may have? >> reporter: anderson, they are not discussing intelligence in any detail. it's sourced, that sort of thing. they are not discussing that publicly but that information has been reviewed through meetings with the prime minister and other senior members of the government and they say some of it is recent and they say it has
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strengthened their concerns. they are saying there is a significant possibility that there was a bomb aboard that aircraft. they are not talking about details of the intelligence they make the point that to discuss this so openly, discuss their concerns so openly, something they wouldn't do lightly unless they had real reason for doing so. >> its interesting the information was not announced by egyptians, it was british and u.s. sources saying this. >> yeah, that's right. egyptians aren't happy. they say it is premature for the british government to be discussing it in this way because they say the official investigation led by egyptians hasn't concluded. but the response from the british government to that is the egyptian haven't seen all the intelligence that we have available to us. you can bet that this is going to be talked about tomorrow at the highest level because the egyptian president is coming here to downing street to meet with prime minister david cameron for a meeting already scheduled to take place. >> we talk about the british delegation that inspected sham
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el-sheikh airport. do we know more details on that? >> according to the british government, they have gone there and reported back. their assessment is security has been stepped up but in the words of the government here, there is still more work to do. so the government here having made the extraordinary step of sending in their own advisers to an airport in another country are now saying that that country isn't quite up to the job just yet but they will work together closely so that hopefully those flights can resume and british tourists can start returning home. but that's going to take a few days, anderson. >> joining us now, cnn richard quest and editor of the daily beast and co-author of isis and anthony may, retired explosives enforcement officer at the atf. richard, the fact that the u.k. came out publicly on this, does that surprise you? >> no, because they obviously had the intelligence from their own independent sources that the egyptians didn't have. the egyptians are going through
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an air accident investigation. and therefore, they are look at the wreckage. they are looking at the bodies. where i'm slightly concerned is that we're not hearing much from the egyptians. if we thought things were bad with malaysia, we haven't had press conferences. we haven't had news briefings. we haven't had updates pretty much, we've had lots of leaks and comments and lots of this and that but nobody from the egyptians -- and i think that what you really happening behind the scenes is that you've got egypt who is officially running the investigation. you've got the french who are probably doing a lot of the technical work and you've got the russians there watching over it to make sure that they get their side in, too. >> also, you have to look at what the damage this would do to egypt and to the tourism trade there. and that tourism trade has been battered over the years, not only by direct attacks by groups against tourists but over "t"
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overthrow of mubarak. >> and crucially, the success in many ways of egypt's tourism, in the mind they divorced sham el-sheikh from egypt. if you look back from arab spring through the coup and various uprisings, sham el-sheikh has remained stable. >> really? >> yeah, because the tourism, you fly to sham el-sheikh, not egypt. you don't go to cairo. most go to sham el sheik direct. if suddenly, sham el-sheikh actually has the cloud over it and perceived to be dangerous, you're looking at very serious trouble for the egyptian tourism industry. >> michael, if this in fact was a bomb and this was in fact, isis, this means that they vn breaking ball to do something that al qaeda has not. al qaeda has tried about four times to bring down an airliner since 9/11. >> you recall that the khorasan group that was part ofç the official al qaeda franchise, u.s. intelligence said these guys were trying to do this. >> using sophisticated means. >> with a t-shirt bomb, chemical agent that could ignite in
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fabric or clothing. look, i think that it's absolutely the case if this does turn out to be an isis attack, there was somebody on the inside. and that's not surprising, anderson. you have to look who populates the ranks. a lot come from state institutions and the iraqi government or defectors from the assad regime or military, it stands to reason someone in the egyptian transport ministry or indeed at the private commercial airliner might have weighed this in. and the fact that it's a conventional munition, so say u.s. intelligence sources and not something more sophisticated means that they had an open door to smuggle this into the plane. >> reporting officials are looking into the theory isis built the bomb with the pressure switch to go off at a certain altitude. i mean, is that a very complex bomb to make? how difficult is it? >> absolutely not, anderson. barometric pressure switch is really simple, when you think about it. in fact it has been around since
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world war the. the germans used it to sabotage aircraft at that period. a simple altim terrathat you can purchase can be utilized. you can go on the internet and buy manufactured barometric pressure switches or you can make your own out of common material. >> russian state media reports the victims' bodies they recovered showed no signs of impact but not even bomb residue has been found. that doesn't necessarily mean a bomb didn't go off? >> whether you find bomb residue or not is not a clear definitive issue that there was an explosive. for example, twa flight 800 early on in that investigation, we found trace residue of military grade explosives and as it turned out later on in that investigation, that aircraft was used to ferry troops back and forth from the first desert storm conflict. so finding residue is not a definitive effect, depending on you got to know the nature of
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the aircraft, who it hauled and giving the region of the world it's operating in, trace contamination is quite possible. so it's not definitive, although you can't rule it out. >> richard, i understand you spoke to the egyptian foreign minister or tourism. >> tourism minister. >> what did he say about the airport in sham el-sheikh. >> specifically asked him about the airport. he said it conformed to all international regulations. he recognized it was their principle airport for tourism. he said they constantly reviewed security and he said he had no reason to believe that there had been a breach. >> either, a, that's true, which is very worrying if it did conform to all international things and a bomb got through or not true and it's worrying nevertheless. >> both at the same time because if this does, let's just put an if there just in case. if this does prove to be a bomb, then all the planning, all the
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procedures, all the regulations mean for nothing. >> right. all the inconvenience that all of us go through every time taking off our shoes and taking out liquids. if there is a backdoor on to airplanes that somebody with a grudge or a gripe can access a plane and we've done reporting on this in the united states. we've seen cases in the united states. >> look in russia, there have been multiple instances in 2004 two separate planes were brought down by black widows, female suicide bombers and the reason that these women were able to get on board with explosive devices is they bribed their way through. corrupt border guard agents took some money and let them on. >> michael, good to have you on. anthony, appreciate it. coming up next, the surprising reaction to all of this in russia tonight. we'll talk to our nic robertson who is there. a closer look at airport vulnerability. if you fly, you need to know this. the frankly stunning developments in the death of a police officer hailed at the time as a slain hero, a model
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given the breaking news the growing responsibility that a bomb brought down metrojet 9268 and that isis got help bringing it down. the question is what is the reaction tonight in russia? one of many questions this is after all russia's single deadliest plane crash. russia does after all have attacks by mostly ocal islam make terrorists and russia significantly beefed up its presence in syria. nic robertson is in st. petersburg for us tonight. what's the latest from there, nic? >> well what's interesting is that president putin hasn't taken the lead on this story all along. we've spoken to the foreign ministry spokesperson to find out her reaction to latest statements about the likelihood, possibility of a bomb being on board the aircraft. she says look, the egyptians are
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leading the investigation, you have to go to them. we can't say, you know, we have to leave it to them to get on with the investigation but perhaps, most significantly here, you have the main aviation body here that says it is essentially illegal for russia to make a statement about the state of the investigation, why? because egypt is responsible the plane went down in egypt, they say and that egypt would have to give the russian government the authority to speak and reveal analysis that they are getting on the ground at the moment. russia is giving it self-wiggle room and a caveat to say hey, we can't talk about it. egypt has to talk about it first. the silence and refusal so far to knock it down, knock this whole thing down, i think it is very telling, anderson. >> it was interesting, the fact that it was, you know, the british prime minister talked about this publicly and this didn't come publicly from
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egypt, even though there are allegedly the ones leading this investigation into the crash. >> sure, i mean, the fact that david cameron's office said this while president el-sisi is in london, this would normally be a huge political embarrassment. you get the impression that the russians are saying hey, every to you equipment and get and egypt isn't getting ahead and putting out what others are now beginning to see. i think our understanding here from the people we talked to in russia is that if the united states, if britain knows this, russia knows this. egypt, the expectation is they really need to move on this, quite how that happens isn't clear. david cameron is clearly trying what he can.
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>> nic robertson, appreciate it. cnn safety analyst david soucie joins us now. able miles o'brien and former ntsb member john golia, john, if this was indeed a bomb on a commercial airliner does this mean a total reassessment of airport security not just in egypt but globally? >> of course it will. we'll look at our issues and there was just a report out in the last few days of problems with our own assessments at airports. so it's going to cause a total review both in the united states and around the world and indeed it should given what we know so far. >> miles, have you worried about this before? we've done reporting about vulnerabilities on u.s. airports not on the so-called front end where the passengers are going through but there are problems there as we have seen through the tsa inspections but on the back end, people with access to
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the aircraft. >> this is the real achilles heel at airports all over the world and in the u.s. and we've seen all kinds of warning signs about this. about a year ago you may recall, anderson, you were reporting about it, there was a gun running scheme involving baggage handlers. they were putting loaded guns on airplanes and moving them around the country. there are all kinds of warning signs that this is wide open, meanwhile, we go through security theater dumping out water bottles to get on the airplane. it's becoming a bit of a farce. we need to deal with this problem. >> it is incredible, david, that all the attention, all the billions that have been spent on airport security and it does seem like there is this gaping hole. >> well, there is a gaping hole, anderson, and if historically security is reactive, not proactive. so, for example, if somebody tries to blow up a shoe, what happens? within weeks we're taking our shoes off at the airport.
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it is constantly reactive and like miles was saying, it needs to be more proactive. we need to look forward at things, not just reactive and that's this case. egypt is taking their part in just waiting to be reactive. i think that the prime minister making the move to do what he did is a proactive move and something needs to be done whether it's proven yet or not it was a bomb, he's being proactive about it and that's something that's rarely done in a security area in the aviation. >> john, i mean, the question of what kind of bomb this was, the size, all those details, one of the things i've been hearing a lot today is it doesn't have to be a huge bomb to bring down a plane when it's at that altitude which makes this all the more frightening. >> that's right. it doesn't have to be a large device. all you really want to do is break the structure of the airplane and the air loads on the airplane in flight will tear it apart. and i would guess from the wreckage that the bomb was in the tail section of the airplane and most likely in the belly, because we see the crown of the
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airplane, the upper piece where the fracture occurred was still in act. but we haven't seen the belly. it's most likely it was in the belly forward of the rear entrance doors and it stressed the fuselage right there and it disintegrated. >> john, you're saying once there is a hole or explosion, one part of the aircraft, because the entire aircraft is supposed to bear the load overall of all the pressures, once there is one opening, the rest of the airport -- or airplane essentially breaks apart? >> yes. so, you know, you have a tremendous amount of load on the tail. we'll use the tail for an example. that load has to be spread out amongst most of the fuselage in order to absorb that energy, the force that's on the tail. so it has to travel around the skin. because the outside of the airplane is the roadway, if you will, for the stresses. it's going to travel around that
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skin and get dispersed in the rest of the fuselage. so if you break it someplace, you'll change the path for the loads and then it's going to put additional load on an area not designed and that's how twa came apart, by the way. >> at some airports, airlines have the option of additional security screening at the gate. u.s. airlines do tat in pieces. how useful is that to augment general airport security and i guess if the problem is access to the aircraft from non-passengers, i guess that doesn't really matter, then. >> no, i agree with you, anderson. the additional layer you get randomly through the gate after you've gone through security in the first place does nothing to deal with the backdoor of the airport, where you have caterers, and airplane cleaners and mechanics coming in without any scrutiny whatsoever. the pilot who is flying your plane has to take his shoes off and do the whole routine and the
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back of the airport, they're just driving in. this is a clean vulnerability and it's quite obvious and no one wants to deal with it. >> miles appreciate it and john, david soucie, thank you so much. just ahead, a closer look at security of the airport in question. we'll go live to sharm el sheik. and ahead, just an incredible announcement, what many thought was an unsolved murder of an illinois police officer. the crime scene was staged by the officer himself who actually shot himself. this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her she's agreed to give it up. that's today? we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. after the deliveries, i was ok. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? for my pain, i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy open cap.
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. the breaking news tonight cannot be more sobering. a u.s. officials says
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intelligence suggest as bomb planted took down the russian passenger jet killing down everyone on board. u.s. intelligence suggests someone inside the airport in sharm el-sheikh may have played a role. our erin mclaughlin joins us in sharm el-sheikh. the news the british delegation went to sharm el-sheikh, inspected the airport, do we know much more about that? >> hi, anderson. well, we understand that assessment is complete. out of that assessment, british foreign secretary saying they took the decision to change travel advice to the area, passenger jets no longer flying from the united kingdom into sharm el-sheikh international airport. as for the british citizens currently here, well, secretary hammond said that british authorities a authorities are working with egyptian officials on additional security procedures, additional screenings that would make it safe for those british citizens to fly home. he also added that egyptian officials do not have the
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information about the plane that british officials have. now, egyptian paper reporting that the delegation visited various security points inside the airport taking pictures including pictures of the runway. reporting that they will compile all of that into a report to present to egyptian authorities. >> i mean, do we know, has there been a big change in the security profile at the airport? i mean, more importantly, sort of the back end access to aircraft by personnel there? >> yeah, well, i flew into sharm el-sheikh international airport yesterday. i didn't see any evidence of heightened security. it's a tiny little airport thought to be in a safe and secure area, only about 160 flights in and out of the airport on any given day, and that lack of security or heightened security, rather, that i saw was in line with what we were hearing yesterday from the egyptian interior.
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they were saying that they did not take the decision to increase security at the time. they said that they were also not questioning employees at the airport because they said that they had no indication that the plane came down as a result of terrorism. now, we heard today from the egyptian foreign minister, tell cnn that they are going to be heightening security not just at sharm el-sheikh international airport but at airports across egypt and not because of any conclusions out of the investigation but to assuage people's fears. >> it's incredible if they are not interviewing personnel at the airport that have access to the aircraft. that's a frightening thing. appreciate your reporting. we'll continue to check in with you. i want to bring in cnn military analyst general mark hurtling. he has flown in and out of the airport at sharm el-sheikh. the idea egyptian authorities aren't interviewing and reviewing the personnel working in that airport, i would think time is kind of of the essence here. >> it certainly is, anderson. and this is troubling but it
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adds to all the other comments that have been made about this flight since the very beginning. russians saying it was not pilot error or mechanical error making assumptions. the security not only in the airport where the passengers are but as you said, where the baggage handlers are and transporters are, where the cargo beds go into. those should be places to check but having been in sharm el-sheikh a few years ago and talking to some individuals who have been there recently as part of the multinational observer mission. inside the airport you'll see a lot of armed guards like most countries, either soldiers or members of the customs and border patrol, but a lot of standing around as well. this is not a u.s. airport and it's not something where you can be assured of security throughout the facility. >> right. it seems like more window dressing than anything else. what's amazing to me, though, is sharm el-sheikh, which is
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obviously such an important tourist destination for egypt, tourism is ooikly important and they've had more than a decade of incidents against tourists over the years by various groups. i remember, there was a group at an archaeological site that was attacked years and years ago. there have been one thing after another and obviously, the revolutionary that took place, the arab spring. so the idea that they wouldn't make security at sharm el-sheikh airport and throughout sharm el-sheikh and other tourists spots as priority is kind of amazing to me. >> it is. and as you know, it's a club med. a lot of people go there for diving and snorkeling and a major tourist attraction. it is sinai. it is not egypt. when you are talking about sinai. i push back on the production that this is isis. there are been attacks by sinai attempting to bring down the egyptian government and if you can stop the tourist trade, which this seems to have
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contributed to, you're going to help bring down the egyptian government and mr. el-sisi. >> general hertling, i appreciate your being on. thank you, sir. we'll look at other attempts to bring down planes and if we've learned anything from the failed efforts. you're sick.hen tough symptoms need alka-seltzer plus cold & cough it's four cold symptom fighters put you back in control. stay unstoppable. alka-seltzer plus.
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if in fact, isis brought down metrojet flight 9268 it would be a success in a string of failures and close calls. more on the effort to bring down planes by randi kaye. >> reporter: december 22nd, 2001, just two months after the 9/11 attacks, american airlines flight 63 with 197 passengers and crew suddenly in trouble. passenger richard reid was attempting to detonate a plastic explosive called petn he concealed inside his shoes. passengers pounced and the flight headed from paris to miami was safely escorted by fighter jets to boston's logan airport. reid is a british citizen who converted to islam. he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. >> richard reid is an al qaeda
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trained islamic extremist while on a martyrdom mission, engaged in acts of international terrorism that were motivated by his hate of the united states. >> reporter: nearly five years later in august of 2006, 24 men were arrested by british authorities. charged with plotting to blow up as many as 10 flights over the atlantic simultaneously. their weapon of choice, explosive liquid smuggled on board in soda bottles. after that, liquids were limited to no more than 3.4 ounces on board aircraft. and by then, passengers were facing tighter security. shoes removed, laptops taken out, box cutters and lighters forbidden but terrorists were getting more creative. christmas day, 2009, another failed attempt using the deadly explosive petn. northwest airlines flight 253 was going to amsterdam to
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detroit when a passenger tried to set off explosives sewn into his underwear. the so-called underwear bomber was sentenced to life in prison. turns out he'd been in contact with anwar alawlaki. a year later in 2010, a suspect tries again to use petn as a bomb. on two cargo planes bound for chicago. the devices were disguised as ink cartridges. discovered after a tip. this bomb expert recreated what may have happened. the prime suspect was a saudi bomb maker believed to be a member of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. >> there's no doubt about this. this is an ingenious way of doing it. if that had been part of an airplane's fuselage, heaven help
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the airplane. >> reporter: whoever built that bomb likely thought it would pass through an x-ray machine with the petn disguised as printer toner powder. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> want to dig deeper on this with our terrorism analyst and paul chook -- cruickshank. paul, i mean, we've talked a lot about groups and saw it there trying to use sophisticated methods, the ink jet cartridge. they say that's a relatively easy thing to make. and a relatively crude device. >> a very conventional device, meat and potatoes. the crucial factor here may be that they recruited an insider at the airport. and if you can do that, that's the holy grail for terrorist groups. because then you can insinuate the bomb on to a passenger aircraft. there have to be considerable concern that there could be other insiders at other
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airports. they haven't apprehended the potential insider who may have got this bomb on to that jet. >> bob, i mean, again, a bomb with the barometric pressure switch, are they easy to make? it's a worrying thing for those of us that don't know much about explosives. >> anderson, it's very easy, this technology is old but it's reliable. it's worked on several attacks in the '70s. the bombs went off. you know, the detonators can be smuggled on. that's always the hardest part with the underwear bomber from amsterdam. it's lucky that that thing didn't go off. the detonator was absorbed as sweat and that's why it didn't detonate. so we've been very lucky up until now. it's the technology, i don't think we've really been able to defeat. i mean, you know, it's not just smuggling -- an employee of the airport smuggling on to an airplane, anybody that can walk near an airplane can put
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something on a wing and the rest of it. but more than that are x-ray machines cannot detect a very sophisticated device with or without a barometric switch. i mean, they can be hidden. the explosives can be made into sculptures and ghazed over. it can look like anything. or toner cartridge. this is what has us scared. it's not just sharm el-sheikh. our security in this country, tsa can be beaten. >> and bob, you're saying the actual detonator, the switch itself wouldn't show up in an x-ray or just wouldn't be identifiable? >> it wouldn't be identifiable. i mean, you could hide it. they are very small. you can hide it in an iphone and a plastic detonator in the iphone as well. and people can guns on airplanes and they are not seen by tsa. they are doing the best they can but just the technology and airplanes are so vulnerable to a
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small amount of explosive, this is what really scares people. >> i mean, it is amazing, paul, we've been doing reporting, that case of baggage handlers smuggling weapons on to planes in the united states in the atlanta airport. that was an incredible warning sign right there. >> you're absolutely right. there was also a case of an american isis fighter killed in the summer of 2014 inside syria who had been working at minneapolis/st. paul airport as a cleaner and who had access to very sensitive sites a it that airport. there is also concern about the potential of insiders working for terrorist groups at airports right here. >> paul, appreciate you being on and bob bear. a jaw dropping revolution about a police officer hailed as a hero at his funeral. the story today is much different. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.
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authorities in illinois dropped a bombshell. they said the murder of lieutenant gliniewicz is not a unsolved murder and was not a murder to begin with. it is believed he killed himself. he was hailed at a hero. thousands of police officers attended his funeral. today everything people thought
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they knew was turned on its head. here's rosa flores with the latest. >> this extensive investigation concluded with an overwhelming amount of evidence that gliniewicz' death was a carefully staged suicide. >> reporter: the shocking announcement that lieutenant joe gliniewicz not only killed himself but staged an elaborate crime scene put to rest a two-month long investigation. it started with gliniewicz radioing to dispatch saying he was in pursuit of two white males and a black male. >> on scene taking the officer's side arm. >> reporter: then radio silence. and his lifeless body found. that's when hundreds local state and federal law enforcement officers scoured the area, vowing to find and bring his killer to justice. investigators say lieutenant gliniewicz' plan included planting evidence here at the crime scene to stage a homicide.
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the commander saying there was a trail of evidence, first pepper spray and then a few feet away, a baton, then eyeglasses, then a shell casing, all leading investigators to believe signs of struggle. the community that mourned for him and worried for his family, today had a simple question. why? it turns out investigators were zeroing in on gliniewicz for what they now say were criminal acts, spanning seven years. including laundering thousands from the fox state police explorers, a mentorship program for teens and using it for travel, adult websites, mortgage expenses, among other things. >> gliniewicz committed the ultimate betrayal. >> reporter: the paper trail and extensive, and so was the coverup. gliniewicz deleted thousands of messages like this one from back in june. quote, the 1600 undocumented, it was cash from boot camp so there is no check trail to follow.
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>> our investigation strongly indicates criminal activity on the part of at least two other individuals. >> reporter: investigators won't reveal who those individuals are. in an interview with the program crime watch daily last month, gliniewicz' widow strongly denied her husband could have taken his own life. >> i whole heartily believe he was murdered. >> reporter: and to say otherwise? >> it's disrespectful, hurtful, irresponsible. >> she's not the only one in disbelief. some in this community still hail him a hero. >> you can look at his face and you know that he was an honest man, he was clean. >> apparently not. rosa, the gliniewicz family, i know they received financial assistance from certain groups after his death. now i understand some of those groups are asking for their money back. >> reporter: anderson, there was an outpouring of support both emotionally and financially
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after lieutenant gliniewicz died and now cnn has learned that at least one of those organizes who gave the widow $15,000 is asking for their money back. as for the family, we reached out and from their family attorney we've heard that the family is asking for privacy. >> all right. rosa flores, appreciate it. thanks very much. this is the kind of plot twist usually seen in movies. it's fair to say the community of fox lake did not see this coming. what about lieutenant gliniewicz' brothers and sisters in blue? earlier i spoke to the chief of police, commander of the lake county major crimes task force. chief, when did you first suspect something was off about this case? >> well, approximately two weeks ago we started receiving materials that we had subpoenaed and evidence we submitted to the lab in quantico through the fbi. 6500 text messages deleted we believe shortly before this
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staged incident. 32,000 e-mails that we pulled off of a computer, along with sophisticated ballistic testing that we had run through our regional crime lab here. once we got those text messages, and bank records that we subpoenaed, then the story started evolving internally with these criminal activities that he was participating in. >> was there a creeping sense early on that the pieces just didn't add up? >> what we do is we don't take anything off the table. we examine every possibility, every scenario. up until we started looking at the ballistics and running those sophisticated tests combined with the bank records and text messages and an analysis of the crime scene with the assistance of the behavioral analysis unit, we determined succinctly and
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were confident that this was a staged suicide. >> for you personally as the chief, what is this like when you discovered the real story here? >> as a police officer, there were a number of feelings that went through my head once we uncovered this. first, there was shock. some sadness, and then just anger. the ultimate betrayal of the badge. >> you said you're still investigating two more people involved with this case. is there anything more you can say about who they are, what role the may have played? >> our portion of this case has been concluded. any other criminal activity that we generally uncover in these cases, we hand off all that information to the appropriate authorities and in this case that would be the lake county state's attorneys' office, the sheriff's office and the fbi. >> do you think, main, him saying that there were three suspects and he gave a vague general description but matched
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three people in the area caught on surveillance cameras who as you said had good alibis. do you think he just happened to see them when he was driving to the location and do you think he picked that location specifically? >> that's a great question or a great series of questions. those individuals, again, from the videotape, he could have easily passed that morning in route to that location and just instantly said, these are three individuals i'm going to use in this scenario. the location that this act was committed in, he was extremely familiar with. he actually ran practice scenarios with the explorer unit at that exact location. tactical drills, crime scene staging, so he was extremely familiar with that general area. >> just an incredible turn of events and i know this has been obviously around the clock for you, chief, appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. thank you.
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