crash of a russian passenger plane in egypt and disputed claims today that a terrorist bomb is to blame. britain's prime minister david cameron couches it by saying a bomb is the most likely cause. let's go to the white house right now. the press secretary josh earnest giving us the latest information from there. >> however, we can't rule anything out. including the possibility of terrorist involvement. obviously, you heard the announcement from the british government about steps they were taking to ensure the safety of the british traveling public and currently the obama administration is reviewing a number of different steps that we can take to enhance security for commercial flights bound for the united states from certain foreign airports. that's an ongoing process. when we develop those additional measures, we work closely with industry and our international partners to make sure they are properly and effectively implemented. i don't have anything new to
announce. once a decision on those steps has been made, it will be announced by the department of homeland security. >> when you say you can't rule anything out is that just a statement of, you know, we just don't know yet or does the u.s. have specific intelligence to suggest it might, if fact, have been an act of terror? >> josh, i can't get into the intelligence, but -- and it is accurate to say that the united states has not made our own determination about the cause of the incident. but based on what we know and based on, in part at least, on what's been publicly reported, in terms of claims of responsibility, we can't rule anything out. including the possibility of terrorist involvement. >> now that we all have the texts to look at and enjoy at our bedside. >> yes, yes. >> can you give us an update on the time line that the white house envisions -- >> all right, so there you have the latest from the white house. not ruling anything out. suggesting, yes, it's quite
possible this could have been a terrorist bomb that killed all those people, 224 people on board that russian airliner. we're going to keep monitoring the white house press secretary, see if he sees anything else. in the meantime, you should know that russian and egyptian authorities are disputing the bomb claims. then say there's simply no evidence to prove it at least not yet. they also say it could take many months before we know what actually brought down the plane, once again, killing all 224 people on board. moments ago, the egyptian president, be an dude fatal sissy, left a meeting with david comb ran in london. the two talked about cooperation between their countries as they assessed security in sharm el sheikh. for now, the uk has grounded all flights there. stranding literally thousands and thousands of passengers trying to get back to britain. also, egypt civil aviation minister tells our christiane amanpour the united states and the united kingdom have not shared their specific intelligence on the crash with egyptian authorities. joining us now from london, our
senior international correspondent clarissa ward. from sharm el sheikh is ian lee, on the scene at the airport there. here is what cameron said following his meeting with egyptian president el sisi, when asked if the uk has intelligence the russians do not have. >> my role is to act in the right way to keep british citizens safe and secure and to put their security first. i act on the basis of intelligence that i receive. i act on the basis of advice that i get. of course, i cannot be sure, my experts cannot be sure, that it was a terrorist bomb that brought down that russian plane. but if the intelligence is and the judgment is that that is a more likely than not outcome, than i think it's right to act in the way that i did. >> more likely than not a terrorist attack. what are you hearing, clarissa,
about any intelligence, specific intelligence that downing street may have about the crash? >> well, wolf, the british are being very tight-lipped here. they're not giving away any information about the specific intelligence that they received regarding this crash. but we did hear two interesting things today. firstly, we heard from egyptian president el sisi at the end of his meeting with cameron. he said ten months ago british authorities sent a team to sharm el sheikh airport to look at security procedures. he said that visit went well. but certainly, wolf, it's fair to say this isn't the first time the british authorities have been looking at security at the sharm el sheikh airport. now, the second thing that we're hearing today comes from easy jet. this is one of the airlines, a low-cost budget airline that will be helping to evacuate those roughly 20,000 british citizens from sharm el sheikh tomorrow. what they have said is that no passengers will be allowed to
take check-in luggage on the plane. all luggage will have to be given to easy jet personnel who will arrange for it to make its way back to the united kingdom. there will be no check-in luggage. they're being very strict about any hand luggage. they're allowed one small piece of cabin luggage each. they're saying it should not be larger than the size of a laptop bag. fair to assume that baggage handlers are possibly being looked into as somehow being related to this whole threat. >> clarissa, stand by. ian, you're there at the airport at sharm el sheikh. i know you've been there on several earlier occasions. what's it like today? give us a little scene, how tight security is, have they strengthened security, what are people doing there? i assume a lot of foreigners are trying to get out of there. >> that's right, wolf. i arrived here on this trip earlier this morning. one thing i noticed was for the
most part at least when we arrived it was quite empty. you saw those jets, those easy jets were on the tarmac. just waiting there, standing by. we also saw an increase in the police presence outside of the terminal. and actually leading into the airport complex, there was another checkpoint and they would have bomb sniffing dogs. we've seen security guards going, opening trunks, looking and really scrutinizing the cars coming in here. that's just before you get inside the terminal. there's also other layers of security we've been seeing. two scans, going through two x-rays. metal detectors really an increase in security that we're seeing. talking to people here, about an hour or two ago, we saw hundreds of people coming here, flying out. we asked them if they felt safe. about everyone did.
they said they didn't really have any security concerns. we talked to some people earlier today whose flights were delayed because of this uk ruling. and they said they were really just frustrated. they wanted to get back home. they didn't really understand what was going on. but uk officials have been here helping them out. they aren't releasing too much information. we know that team was here, scrutinizing the security measures. they said, though, that the atmosphere was cooperative. that the egyptians and the british were working together well to come to some sort of mutual agreement about the security measures and, as we're hearing from clarissa, that easy jet is going to be having flights tomorrow. we were hearing eight flights tomorrow. so it seems like at least from what easier jet is doing, that this security problem has somewhat been resolved. >> sharm el sheikh, a very popular tourist definition for
europeans. hundreds of thousands visit there every single year. all right, guys, stand by. u.s. and british officials say intelligence suggests isis or one of its affiliates may have planted a bomb on the plane. that terrorists may have had inside help at that egyptian airport at sharm el sheikh. let's discuss with my next guest. the republican congressman max thornberry from texas, the chairman of the house armed services committee, previously served on the house permanent select committee on intelligence. mr. chairman, thanks very much for joining us. what can you tell us about this disaster, why 224 people had to die? >> well, we are continuing to investigate. to narrow down the exact cause of this crash. two things we know for sure. one is, there is a significant terrorist presence in egypt. secondly, we know that terrorists have intentionally targeted airliners from 9/11 to the present time. so after 9/11, remember, we had the shoe bomber, the underwear
bomber, we had the print cartridge bombing attack. so they're adaptable. they keep looking for ways to plant explosive devices on airplanes and cause those airplanes to come down. and they will continue to pursue that target and be adaptable in the methods that they use. >> are you hearing one specific group because there's some suggestion it could be isis, an isis affiliate or isis supporter or aqap, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula or maybe a muslim brotherhood kind of affiliate? what are you hearing about who may have been responsible for the downing of this plane? >> well, i don't think -- i don't know of any of the intelligence organizations that have narrowed it down that far. we know that aqap, al qaeda in yemen, has consistently targeted airplanes as one of their key objectives. so the first question is why did this plane go down. it was traveling at a fairly
high altitude and all of a sudden it's down on the ground, killing everyone. so narrowing down that. and then you go from there into who did it. that does take some time, although i think as more evidence comes in from around the world, that probably my guess is more countries will reach the conclusion that the british have. >> it's a very dangerous part of the world right now, sinai. as you know, you're the chairman of the armed services committee, there are about 700 u.s. soldiers, part of this multinational force in sinai right now. how secure are they? we know four of them were injured early in september by a roadside bomb. are they secure? should they be there? or should they get out? >> well, they played a very important mission for many years in helping ensure the peace agreement between israel and egypt is maintained. and so to have them pulled out all of a sudden could have major
repercussions. i think it is important for us to re-evaluate their security. and it just highlights that we have individuals, men and women, in the military, in the intelligence community, who are placed all around the world, sometimes in relatively small numbers, risking their lives in very dangerous places and dangerous circumstances. and we should never take those for granted, especially as we move towards veterans day. >> sinai increasingly unfortunately is becoming a very very dangerous place right now. mr. chairman, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> max thornberry of texas. we'll have more coverage of the russian plane crash coming up. we're taking a closer look at the so-called chatter u.s. intelligence agencies have been looking at. just how reliable is this chatter snr and later we'll talk to politics here in the united states and the two sides of the presidential candidate, dr. ben carson. he says he went through a violent phase as a teenager. cnn spoke with a number of
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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. our top story, the investigation of that russian airliner crash that killed all 224 people on board. u.s. officials tell cnn there's intelligence suggesting isis or its affiliates, one of its affiliates, put a bomb on the plane. that's partially based on the monitoring of the militants internal communications. meantime, egypt's civil aviation minister tells our christiane amanpour that u.s. and british intelligence has not been shared with them. paul, does this have the characteristics of an isis attack? do they have the technology to actually detonate a bomb on a
plane? >> wolf, it's certainly plausible the isis affiliate in sinai could have carried this out if they recruited an insider at sharm el sheikh airport. we understand the intelligence is pointing to the fact this was a conventional bomb rather than a sophisticated device. and it was infiltrated on to the aircraft by an insider working at the airport. and so that's well within the capability of isis in sinai. they have a lot of experience in putting together conventional explosives. it wouldn't be difficult for them to put a timer or some other triggering device on the device. >> mary, you've been investigating plane crashes for many years. the u.s. and the uk say intelligence suggest a bomb was planted on the plane if they didn't have substantive, perhaps classified secret information to back that up? >> probably not. i mean, i worked on the
aftermath of september 11st, 2001. those cases took 12 years. it was really interesting to go through and do all the discovery and find out the course of that investigation. because it changed dramatically, first in the weeks and then in the months and the years that went on. it took a very long time for them to sort out all the leads. but the cia did not share the information with the fbi at first. the state department wasn't coordinated with the faa. so at this juncturjuncture, it unusual for the united states and britain not to share their intelligence information. that's just the way they work. they keep it close hold until there's reason to share it. >> paul, talk to us about this so-called chatter that the u.s. or uk or other intelligence agencies may have picked up. >> wolf, we understand these are intelligence strands quite separate from the on the ground investigation in egypt. they relate to isis communications, private communications.
there may be other intelligence strands that are not really telling us about possible double agents inside isis. there are clearly other ways to get information. also the possibility that isis may be trying to put a video together. and that western intelligence agencies are getting some advanced warning of that. all this pointing to a pretty specific picture, it's got to be said, of an insider working at sharm el sheikh airport, infiltrating a conventional device on board the plane. the thinking is this wasn't a sophisticated bomb that would have to try to get through airport security. they could just get it straight on the plane, wolf. >> mary, we can now report the tsa is actually refusing to comment on any aspect of the situation in egypt. at least for now. what do you think they're doing right now, the tsa, as far as making sure the u.s. airliners are safe, secure? >> absolutely, the alarm bells better be going off at the tsa and hope they're working on overdrive because just a week
ago the general accounting office came out with a report and the inspector general, homeland security, has done so in the past. saying the tsa has a lot of loopholes itself to deal with and cnn had a report about a month ago saying they're allowing employees on to airports all over the country and those employees are not going through security. so tsa probably shouldn't be talking. they should be working like crazy to close the loopholes in security. >> good point, all right, mary, thanks. paul, thanks as well. we'll have more reaction coming up on what happened to that russian plane. republican presidential candidate rick santorum, he's here with me, here in washington. i'll ask him how he would handle the terror group if he's elected president. there you see him. we'll discuss. starting now with roc® retinol. holiday season. it's up to two times stronger than imitators.
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isis. they're responding to u.s. intelligence suggesting a bomb planted by isis or one of its affiliates may have brought down that russian jet over sinai. republican presidential candidate, the former pennsylvania senator, rick santorum, is with me right now. thanks for coming in. if you were president right now, what would you do? >> i would have done this before this bombing but this bombing points out how dangerous isis is and not just contained to the geographical area where they're present. they're recruiting around the world because we have allowed them to maintain their caliph e caliphate, maintain their claim that they are legitimate. as long as we allow them to maintain that i think charade, then they're going to continue to be able to recruit. we need to i think focus our effort in iraq, not in syria, where it's an absolute mess, but in iraq, we have a possibility of arming the kurds, cooperating with the kurdish peshmerga,
cooperating with the iraqis who want to fight and begin to move them out of iraq. >> some of your republican challengers say they would send a lot more troops, boots on the ground, not just iraq but syria as well. >> i'm not for sending troops to syria but i am for sending more troops to iraq. >> are you for a no-fly zone over syria? >> the president has put us in a situation in syria that i think is untenable. we have the russianings in there right now flying. we have them attempting to help assad. now the president has seemed like, well, you know, assad can stay for a while and that's okay. we have created an absolute cesspool in syria and i don't think intervening in that is a good idea now. we have clear opportunities in iraq. we have troops on the ground in iraq. we are flying missions in iraq. we should be stepping up those to actually try to move them out of iraq. >> sinai's a really dangerous place now. the united states has about 715 or 725 soldiers in sinai right now. they've been there going back to the signing of the
israeli/egyptian peace treaty back in 1979. are they secure, are they safe, would you come them there, would you pull them out? >> think we need to keep our treaty commitments between egypt and israel. our israeli alleys would want them to continue to be there. i think we should continue on. i'm not particularly concerned about them. again, we have to hit at the root. the root is isis. isis is going to continue to be powerful unless we begin to take some of their ground. >> if you don't take their ground -- they're headquartered in iraq and syria. if you're not going to send u.s. troops in there, how are you going to deal with them in syria? >> engoagain, you deal with the where you have the front to deal with them. syria is not a viable front for the united states. the viable front is in iraq and that's where we need to put our groups on the ground. >> let's talk politics. there's a big republican debate next week. i take it you're going to -- have you been told already
you're in the second tier? >> i qualify -- all the polls are looking at we qualify. >> so you'll be in the second tier. you won't be on the main stage. how disappointing is that? >> it's difficult. i have people coming up all the time say, wish you were running. well, i am running. oh, really, i haven't seen you in the debates. the fact the rnc and networks has segmented this field has been an injustice to a lot of candidates as we proved four years ago can sit back on the polls, on the national polls. look at chris christie, dropping down to the second debate. he's running sixth in new hampshire. you have a guy who may be kicked out of the debate who's, you know, bobby jindal who's running in the top ten right now in the late -- in one of the polls at least in iowa. this is the problem with using national polls that have no relationship to actually the strongest candidates in the states that matter. and that's in iowa and new hampshire. i showed that four years ago. i was at 2% in the national polls the week before i won the iowa caucuses. so i guess if you'd have
excluded anybody, you'd have excluded me from the last debate in iowa and i went on to win the caucus. >> this last fox poll, they're going to announce later tonight who's in the first tier, the second tier, no tier at all. it has you basically at zero. trump's at 26%. carson 23%. bush is only at 4%. everybody else, low single digits. you're not even rejs stgisterin this poll. trump says anyone that low in the national pollses should do this. listen to what he said. listen to this. >> do i think it's time to have some of the other republican candidates drop out? yes. there are too many people. look, if a person's been campaigning for four or five months and they're at zero or one or two percent, they should get out. >> all right, your response? >> i didn't know trump was afraid of competition. that sort of surprises me he would say that. you know, competition's a good thing. again this i think shows a
little bit of the lack of understanding of how the same works. we tonight hadon't have a natio primary. we have a state by state primary. i feel very, very confident we're going to do well. i think we're going to do very, very well. in fact -- >> you're talking about iowa? >> in iowa. again, i go back to the national polls not being the predictor of anything. dona donald's not been in the political realm that much. he probably doesn't understand the fact is, we go state by state. and i feel very comfortable when those votes are cast we're going to be in good shape. >> even the iowa polls don't have you in the top tier right now. >> our numbers are really good. people like us everywhere we go. we get very positive, you know, you're on my list. right now, you just want to be on people's list. what found four years ago is people are going to go through a lot of different candidates. according to the des moines register poll, 89% of iowans have not made up their mind yet.
when i won four years ago, over 50% of the people who voted for me decided in the last four days. this is a wide open race now. anything can happen. the idea we're going to start culling candidates or creating top tiers and bottom tiers which is what the national party and the networks have done, to me is a tragedy and something that needs to be stopped and allow every candidate to be heard who has a right to be heard. >> sounds like you're not very happy with ryan prebus, the chairman. >> i think the way the debates have been orchestrated was to fight a problem from last time around and not anticipating what this would be. we probably had too many debates last time. this type, we don't have enough and we're not being inclusive. in both cases that's not helpful to voters. >> you're staying at least through iowa. >> my plan is -- i always say the most important thing to do is get to the start line. so far, a couple of folks haven't. our intention is to get there. we feel very comfortable, once we do, we'll be fine. >> rick santorum, thank you. a programming note.
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our senior washington correspondent joe johns has more on the tale of two ben carsons. >> candidates can come -- >> reporter: ben carson's quiet dignified approach is a big part of his appeal but he says his calm demeanor was carved out of a violent past. >> as a teenager, i would go after people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats and hammers. >> reporter: carson wrote in his book about striking a schoolmate in the face with a combination lock, nearly punching his mother, smashing a kid's face with a rock. carson said he also tried to kill a friend identified as bob in a disagreement over the radio. he describes as temper as pathological. a disease that made him totally irrational. >> i had a large camping knife. i tried to stab him in the abdomen. fortunately, under his clothing, he had on a large metal belt buckle. the knife blade struck with such force that it broke. >> reporter: it was, he says, a
pivotal point in carson's life. depicted in a tv movie. >> benny. what did you do? >> reporter: but then, an epiphany. cars be says he quelled his anger with prayer. >> i locked myself in the wa bathroom and started contemplating my life. >> reporter: from that point forward, carson says he was a changed man. now on a course from poverty in detroit to world famous neurosurgeon. >> i never had another angry outburst since that day. >> reporter: that early picture of violence is not recognizable to some who grew up with carson. >> i was shocked, i was surprised, because he was quiet and calm. >> cnn reporters maeve reston
and clark grover tracked down neighbors and classmates. all said this was not the boy he knew. >> i was really surprised when i read he tried to stab someone, like, what? >> does it fit with the guy you knew? >> no. >> reporter: the campaign has refused repeatedly quests from cnn to help find witnesses or the victims carson mentioned only by first name. telling cnn it was a quote, witch-hunt. cnn has been unable to locate witnesses or victims. >> i associate him with a lot of things but never stooping to the level of a common street thug so i was a little surprised by it. >> reporter: timothy mcdaniel says he was one of carson's closest child headquarters friend friends. he said he raised it with carson after the book came out. >> i said, you hid it from us all those years. he said he was just too embarrassed to talk about it. i was surprised at some of the
things he said. but, you know, he said it honestly and i believed everything he told me. >> reporter: joe johns, cnn, washington. and just a little while ago, dr. ben carson responded to a question from cnn about that violent past as a youth. listen to this. >> -- cnn did an investigation of your stories about childhood violence and they really had a har time corroborating the details. can you provide details beyond just these first names? >> well, i don't want to expose people without their knowledge. remember, when i was 14, when the knifing incident occurred, that's when i changed. that's when most of those people they talked to began to know who i was. they didn't know me before that. >> just a little later, dr. carson said this to cnn. he said, it's just that i had a very bad temper so unless you were the victim of that temper, why would you know? just because you happen to know me, that doesn't make any sense.
our national political reporter maeve reston and our justice reporter scott glover tracked down and interviewed former classmates and neighbors of dr. carson. what's your response to his reaction to this report that you guys put together? >> well, it's inaccurate. we've talked to people who knew dr. carson from his elementary school years, his middle school years, his high school years, people in the neighborhood. so to say we only talked to people who were around when he was 14 and in the midst of this, you know, stabbing incident is inaccurate. i think it's still, you know, raises a lot of questions for me about why he won't give the last in as of these people, i dent few them. if you talk about going around and hitting people with bricks and bats, presumably there are going to be some people at your neighborhood or at your school who knew about that. >> his argument is he doesn't want -- these people have their own lives and he doesn't want to disrupt their lives. if they want to come forward and discuss this, scott, that's
their right, but he doesn't want to necessarily bring them in and get them part of the story, if you will. >> you know, that is his prerogati prerogative. but the man is running for president. and various parts of his life are going to be under scrutiny. he's described some serious potentially criminal misconduct from assault with a deadly weapon to attempted murder. it's, you know, in the reporting that we've done, he lived in a neighborhood where according to friends it was fairly tight-knit and parents were on top of their kids. and if one parent saw a kid do something wrong, didn't matter if it was their child, they discipline him and then call that kid's parents. one of his friends described the neighborhood being that way. it's a little bit, you know, we were surprised that we couldn't find any evidence of this pattern of hitting people with bricks and rocks and bats and, you know -- >> that's a really important thing to point out here. is that we set out to find these people as part of our vetting of a presidential candidate to talk to these people about the
incidents, their recollections, his temperament. and something that you'd want to look at for someone who's going to be president of the united states. so we are still looking for jerry and bob and hope they will come forward and tell those stories. >> we'll see if they do. you guys have written an excellent long article on cnn.com which i recommend to our viewers for more information. thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you. >> thanks for doing your job. we're going to hear more from dr. carson right here on cnn. he'll be joining "new day" tomorrow morning. that starts at 6:00 a.m. eastern. up next, arrogant, hard-line, and serving the president badly. those are some strong words from former president george h.w. bush about two officials in his son's administration. we were going to hear how those people are now responding. stick around.
a new biography of former president george h.w. bush gives a surprising glimpse into what he thought of his son's administration. in interviews with the author jon meacham, he strongly criticized dick cheney, who had been his defense secretary before becoming vice president under president george w. bush. the elder bush said cheney built his own empire under george w. bush. he said after 9/11 he just became very hard-line and very different from the dick cheney i knew and worked with. bush 41 also criticized defense secretary rumsfeld, calling him an arrogant fellow who served the president badly. according to the biographier, george w. bush said his father
never expressed thoz opinions to him. he said, i am quoting, i am proud to have served with dick cheney and donald rumsfeld. i was fortunate to have him by my side throughout my presidency. don rumsfeld ably led the pentagon. i am grateful to both men for their good advice, selfless service and to our country and friendship. donald rumsfeld had this stonro response. bush 41 misjudges bush 43 who i found made his own decisions. this are hundreds of memos that represent advice d.o.d. gave the president. i'm joined by our chief national correspondent, john king, and our chief political analyst, gloria borger. gloria, this is pretty unusual, to see this exchange going on right now. >> well, it is. when you have a biographier who is as good as jon meacham, who
has a good relationship with bush 41. bush 41 told the truth. which i think is refreshing. it's clear to me that 41, while 43 was president, kept his distance. and didn't interfere in his son's presidency. unless he was asked. and it was also very clear from the things we've read this morning that 43 did not ask an awful lot of just informed him about strategy and, therefore, bush 41 kind of held back. >> you covere this. >> 1,000% i agree that it's refreshingly honest in an age of spin and hiding things that george h.w. bush who e knows this is going to be his last word. so he's critical of rumsfeld and his son and the ak axis of evil.
but not in a nasty way. just in an honest way. i disagree. to the rumsfeld point, they are eight years apart. the history people might not realize is to the elder, 91 years old, donald rumsfeld, washington is like the fifth grade. they have been rivals for years. back to the knicnixon administration. his book criticizes things he did as vice president after the lebanon bombing. criticizes after the persian gulf war. so donald rumsfeld has nots. been a fan of for a long time. thinks he should have been vice president or he should have been president. some of this is personal rivalry. some of it is difference of opinion. >> the new book doesn't come out until next week. you wrote an excellent article in the "washington post" about it. you have gone through this book already. what else stands out in your mind? >> this is happening at all and given the timing of jeb bush's presidential campaign is going to create headaches for him.
the idea that a former president is being critical of another former president in a tell all and the fact they are related and a member of their family is running r if the same office they both held. it's a dynamic we have never seen before and going to revoiv a lot of questions for jeb bush. he stumbled over questions about what he would have done over iraq. he stacked a team with a very careful mix of people who work for his father and brother and now it gets drudged up in uncredible detail and honesty from his father. we do learn over the course of the first bush presidency that on several different occasions he brought in w. to talk about managerial issues. we know things about removing his chief of staff. do i pardon guys involved in the scandal. all these things he was asked the sons what do you think and
they provided advice. >> it's it going to be fascinating reading for all of us. especially those who covered our period. he makes a good pois point how will this impact jb jeb? >> the dynasties can also be dysfunctional families. and that bush 41 didn't agree with everything bush 43 did, but they are family. it sheds some light on the difficulties that jeb has had on criticizing the iraq war. it took them four or five times until he said the iraq war was a mistake because they are blood. and i think that it could, in a way, help some people to look at this it family and say it's not one dimensional here that as you go down the line from 41 to 43 to jeb, there are differences in opinions and policies, but now jeb to that point, is going to have to answer questions about his father and his brother
disagreeing. >> i find. it refreshing that you have a family that's not afraid to air it out. their it thanksgiving dinners where they disagree because they love each other they feel free to do that. one of jeb bush's complication, his chief complications are he's out of sync with the base of his party on big issues. but voters are in no mood, especially that hillary clinton looks more secure as the democratic normminee, voters ar in no mood for a bush and clinton race. any talk about the family does not help. >> he would have to take sides. who does he agree with? his father or his brother? >> i hope he's smart enough to say read the book and. see the movie. >> and talk to me a little about how jeb bush is regrouping right now. his poll numbers are very disappointing. >> he's up in new hampshire this week. the state he has to win in order to survive through the weeks of the primaries next year. the goal is to spend as much time there as possible.
spend a little less time fundraising and focus on this jeb can fix it theme that he turned around florida and is willing to turn around washington. remarkable he's spent a lot of time talking to guys holding television interviews with every network even with "the huffington post" opening up about his past and his family's history, his nuclear family history with drug abuse. his daughter, he talks about it. all of this designed to get him out there, remind people he's in this race and hope he performs better in next week's debate. >> john and gloria, i'm sure you agree. the more trouble a presidential candidate is in, the more willing that candidate is to go on television and talk to us. have been trying to get interviews. they become pretty available. that's what happens. john and gloria, thank you very much. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room".
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here we go, top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me here. got to get straight to this story. five days after that russian passenger plane broke apart over the sinai peninsula killing 224 people on board, we are now learning exactly how the terrorist chatter about bomb capabilities led the u.s. to suspect a bomb may have brought this plane down. this as a gaping divide is emerging between the united states and the uk. you have them on one side. on the other, you have egypt and russia. the british prime minister