tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN November 9, 2015 4:00pm-5:01pm PST
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at the american airports, insiders whose back grounds are vetted by airports and not intelligence agencies as they are 99.9% certain a bomb brought down metro jet a bomb suggested brought down by an airport insider. saying for the first time that a terrorist attack may have brought down that flight tweeting that all russian flights to egypt are still suspended as reuters reports egyptian and russian investigators ignored the fbi's offers for help in the metro jet investigation. renee, what are you learning? >> reporter: what most people may not realize is that tsa depends on more than 400 airports and carriers to do criminal background checks for workers who get that secure access at airports nationwide. airports collect, review and
verify information. tsa can only vet workers based on data it gets from airports. now tonight there are concerns the current vetting process doesn't do enough to protect domestic flights from an insider threat. officials i have spoken to today say not enough is known about the close to 1 million airport workers with secure access at airports. one u.s. official saying that essentially you know this airport security and said that airport workers who are vetted simply need the information that a passenger would essentially have to provide for tsa pre-check. that is the level of information that they have to provide. look no further than the case in minneapolis. there was an airport worker later found out this individual was killed in 2014 while fighting for isis but prior to that was a worker cleaning the airport in minneapolis.
>> wouldn't have had direct access to planes. pretty frightening when you think about the screening they go through. i know you have been looking into the fact that there is a direct flight from cairo to the u.s. and people are still checking bags on that flight? >> that's what we understand. the question is if there are some airlines like klm which they are not allowing baggage in the cargo hold why is it that others are. the way one official put it to me is nothing has been proved yet. they have not been able to prove that a bomb 100% brought down this plane and until they do that they are unable to make demands of carriers especially carriers that are not based here in the united states. >> thank you very much. of course, pretty frightening. 99.9% not enough to make the egyptians change the rules on that flight.
so if the growing consensus is that a bomb took down flight what type of bomb could have been used? >> reporter: that explosion a half pound of dynamite, a conventional explosive used in industrial settings impacts a massive wall. the explosion moving about 19,000 feet per second could easily cripple a passenger aircraft. >> seems too simple. the improvised ones it is a simple process. >> reporter: c-4 more powerful than dynamite. that is how many feet? >> that is over a half pound of c-4 also conventional. in some countries a similar explosive can be bought on the
black market. in the case of metro jet 9268 u.s. officials believe an explosive may have brought it down that it was placed in the luggage compartment a short time before takeoff. >> all of these are big enough to create a big blast. >> ryan morris worked for the government as an explosives technician and now makes and designs explosives for commercial use and trains law enforcement. in addition to conventional explosives bombs can be made from items purchased in hardware or farm stores and in the right hands -- >> that sounds like a rifle shot -- >> reporter: could bring down a plane. that was regular old icing sugar like you would use to bake a
cake. and that's imodium nitrate and aluminum powder, basically fertilizer and aluminum. >> 90% of the stuff we have here you don't have to have a license to buy. i can go in a truck and come home with probably 90% of this. >> reporter: in experienced hands the bomb itself easy enough to make. setting them off another matter. >> all i'm going to do is place it right inside. >> reporter: a blasting cap like this one, a smaller explosion used to set off a larger one necessary. the blasting cap itself needs a tiny electrical charge. we used a wire detonator for these demonstrations. only 1.5 volts of electricity needed to set off such large blasts. but anything from a kitchen clock timer to a wrist watch to a phone could be used to send a signal setting off a tiny charge that could lead to so much
destruction. we are in trip wire's lab where they create some of the fake devices they use in their training process. i want to show you a few of these. laptop computers. you can see the explosive material here, battery there. here is some crayons. that is the explosive material there. nails packed inside of it. this one scared the hell out of me. you pick this thing up and the alarm goes off. they do this when testing dogs out. unbelievable to see the devices and what they do here. one question raised during all of this is whether or not we are giving away too much to people who might want to build bombs. anyone can learn anything they want if they had a mind to online and other places so it is a sobering, sobering experience to come to this facility today. >> thank you very much. incredible report. jim maxwell former special agent bomb technician. paul, if this was a bomb with
the timers as we were seeing the report, why would they have wanted to go off when it did so soon after takeoff especially if it was timed for a couple of hours meaning it was sit tlg for a while? >> i guess because less can go wrong if you set it off to go soon after takeoff if there was an insider at the airport who could have placed it in the plane. if they set it for longer if it was a timer it could have gone off over russia potentially. i think the explanation is less could go wrong and maybe they wanted it to go up over egypt to hurt egyptian tourism and the egyptian economy. >> miguel was able to show so many explosions with so little. that was detonated from another device not far away. he showed half a pound bomb.
the half pound bomb set up to know off with sugar icing. >> the people involved in this activity are creatures of habit. what they were successful at using military grade explosives more than likely. there are a whole series of them. those particular types of explosives it has a quality. they are moving at such a great speed the velocity is 20,000 to 27,000 feet per second. that creates what they call the monroe effect. and when it is placed close to a piece of metal it will burn through the metal and cut the metal apart. >> like a zipper. >> the zipper effect is what some engineers refer to when the
structure fails, when there is a hole in the side of the plane it depressurizes and the plane is moving 600 miles per hour and the plane starts to rip itself apart from the small hole. >> 20,000 to 30,000 feet per second. miguel was showing one at 19. it is incredible the power of the blast. when you see these explosions and the terrifying simplicity, how many of these devices could be out there? it seems like especially to the military grade explosives those are a dime a dozen in certain parts of the world. >> unlimited number of devices. you could just have a stick of dynamite and a timer. that could have the potential if it is large enough to bring down a plane. the key factor is insiders at airports. how many insiders can recruit. that has been the holy grail. they have not managed to do it.
we have seen a lot more planes being bombed out of the sky. it may be that isis managed to pull this off. >> what does this mean. you look at the united states, nearly 1 million airport security workers vetted by outside contractors, vetted by airports, not vetted through the cia. there was one person with access to american planes who fought for isis. this is a real and present danger. >> the real trick is maintaining a certain level of security and making sure people are vetted. new employees are vetted. >> can you do that with 900,000 people? >> it's a difficult task. tsa is taking that on but there are failures from time to time. we are all human. but to have this consistent you have to be a watch dog. you have to stay on top of this. you have to stay on top of the people you hire. you have to check them out. background checks have to be periodically done to make sure
they haven't been turned. they haven't been like in many cases people are turned into -- >> they look for people who already have the job. >> thank you both very much. outfront a new poll showing ben carson in a dead heat with donald trump as stories come into question. donald trump's kids front and center to support him at every debate and even at "saturday night live." and a swastika found in a campus bathroom, a revolt at a major university. we are there live tonight. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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and neck in the first southern contest of the primary season. carson nearly doubling support since the last poll. tonight he is facing serious questions about his past and the republican field is piling on. tom foreman is outfront. >> reporter: even as ben carson is rising in the polls he is falling under attack in a storm of questions about his personal story. >> you put the story out there in the first place so he has the responsibility to back it up. >> i would say it is not so easy on ben. >> reporter: the questions are growing in baltimore. carson says he was caught up in an armed robbery at a fast food joint. >> guy puts the gun in my ribs. i just said i believe that you want the guy behind the counter. >> police have no record of such an incident. at west point carson says he received and rejected an offer for a full scholarship to the military academy. carson clarified it was an informal offer but there is no
record. and at yale university carson says he took a psychology class where he was singled out for an act of honesty. his campaign says it welcomes the vetting even as it keeps trying to explain away apparent inconsistencies. >> reporter: a fight is central to carson's description of an escape from a violent past saying as a young man he attacked his mother and others. >> i tried to stab someone. >> reporter: cnn could find no one from his younger days who recalled the violent temper but his mother corroborated parts of the story in the 1990s. >> and if our media is no better it is sick. >> and while that may be good enough to rally his fans carson
says the noise has helped him raise millions it is not enough to back down the questions from the news media and his fellow candidates. >> thank you very much. serious questions conservative radio host ben ferguson. ben carson has centered his campaign on his life story. and on the specifics of this, on his conversion from a young man of incredible violence to a man of profoun faith. these all fit within that narrative. why are there so many inconsistitancies? >> i don't know if it is as much people don't like the way he told the story. look at what he said about west point. the average person out there if you said if you go to college and don't pay anything what would you call that they would call it a scholarship. did he apply to west point? no. did they come after him?
it would make sense. the guy went to an ivy league school afterwards. i don't think it is inconsistency. he didn't say that he got into west point or applied and got in and didn't go there. he said they recruited him. he was head of rotc with incredible test scores. >> that one might make complete sense. what about others that have been uncorroborated so far. whether you hit your mother with a hammer or stabbed someone is very important if it is untrue. >> and his mom did say in this interview long before he was running for president that that is what has happened. i don't doubt him that this is what happened. i think your friend circle from 50 years ago when you are 12, 13, 14 is pretty small. the idea that you have a ton of witnesses unrealistic. from what we know this happened
in a close family interaction so you would probably not broadcast that outside of your home that your son tried to stab someone. >> doug? >> i think if somebody tries to stab someone words get around quickly. ultimately the problem is he is not having the conversation with voters that he wants to have without a real long legislative record his life story is critical to his candidacy. all he is doing is taking in coming. obviously hillary clinton supporters haven't been too concerned with her troubles with the truth in the past and her exaggerating her life story. this is central to ben carson's campaign why they have to clean it up as quickly as they can. >> to this point the new polls shows him neck and neck. when you look at how many people have their minds made up, donald trump supporters 33% of them say their minds are made up. that is 33%.
that number is 12% for ben carson. he has a great risk if the core narrative falls apart. >> donald trump supporters have shown that they are fanatics and they will stay with him. ben carson is a very different candidate. he has the biggest upside to grow and bring in new people. when only 12% are fanatics for you there are a lot of other conservative voters that are willing to look at different candidates whether rubio, ben carson, carly fiorina and move around as things change in the news. he does have the risk but he has the other side which is that people think the media is being unfairly harsh to him and attacking him and trying to bring him down over semantics of words whether scholarship or a free ride i think that may back fire and he may gain ground here. >> what do you think about that especially to the point that ben keeps making going to the west
point example which is one that does appear to be about semantics. i think a lot of reasonable people could understand what ben carson is saing. it seems to be different than other cases. >> absolutely. the problem that he faces is that there are different examples of this that we are looking at every day it seems to be something new. if he can't get past this he needs to look at this as an opportunity to get past it. if he can't get past it it will have a real impact on his campaign and whether he is treated fairly or unfairly running for president is a hard thing to do. i don't think -- >> and i think the debate is important. if he can answer this and move on and put a period or explanation point i think he will probably be fine. if this continues to drag out week after week with another he said she said moment from his early life stories that will be a problem for him but right now i don't think he is at that point. >> we will see if these debate
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we are awaiting a live campaign appearance by donald trump at this moment. tomorrow the next republican debate and wrapped up a highly controversial gig hosting "saturday night live." donald's son is my guest tonight but first bora sanchez is outfront. >> used to call me on the cell phone. >> reporter: with questionable dance moves and jokes at his expen expense. >> we are going to have a lot of fun tonight. >> you're a racist. >> i knew this was going to happen. >> trump's a racist.
>> mr. president, the president of mexico is here to see you. >> send him in. >> i brought you the check for the wall. >> donald trump helped boost ratings for "saturday night live" as the republican's family watched from the front row. his children playing a familiar role promoting their father. eric tweeting out a snapshot at the stage before the show as ivanka shared a photo of her. >> your daughter, the secretary of interior is here. >> perfect timing. >> we are ahead of schedule and under budget. >> the eldest daughter taking center stage as she did in june which trump launched his campaign. >> it is my pleasure to introduce to you today a man who i have loved and respected my entire life. >> the 34-year-old business woman who handles acquisitions for the trump organization also runs her own line of jewelry and
clothing and plays a major role in the trump campaign's outreach to women voters. >> he has always supported and encouraged women and has proven that over decades through his employment practices, through his hiring practices. he would be amazing for women in this country. he would be incredible for women in this country. >> eric is the youngest of donald's children. at 31 he is also an executive in the trump organization, oversees trump winery and hitting the trail to bolster the trail. >> the one thing my father does is picks incredible people. >> reporter: for a candidate known for tough rhetoric and controversial comments, trump's kids on the campaign trail have even won over some competitors. >> look at donald trump, his relationship with his kids. he has character because he has adult kids who clearly turned out praeetty well. >> reporter: cnn, new york.
>> and outfront eric trump, executive vice president of development and acquisitions for the trump organization and close adviser to his father's campaign. her father in illinois tonight big rally. that state has not voted republican since 1988. what is his strategy? >> we have had a lot of business dealings in illinois. we have a great project in chicago. this is a great place. the hotels time and time again have done well. he is an unconventional candidate. i can't walk down the street without people yelling at me tell your father to go all the way. maybe people who wouldn't be traditionally republicans. they like the fact that he is a personable guy. they just like him as a person. >> so "saturday night live" at biggest ratings in nearly four years on saturday something i'm sure your father is aware of. he tracks that sort of thing. the hollywood reporter called it toothless and uncomfortable. the new york post asked for
"snl" purposefully sabotaged your father. what do you think? >> i sat for the front row. we were laughing and laughing. my father is an incredibly funny guy. i think he did that role amazingly well. they were getting other candidates. >> you don't think it went too far with larry david yelling he is a racist? >> i thought it was a great ice breaker. you always have shots. he was dancing with the glasses. what could have been more saturday night live than that skit? it showed a great side to him. >> so your father as i said will know what the ratings are. he remembers that sort of thing. he spends a lot of time talking about the numbers and often the
polls in case our viewers have forgotten let me just play a little clip of your dad. >> but we're really winning. we're winning everything, every state. we're winning everything. i'm leading every poll nationwide. i'm leading every state. today is the 100th day that we have been number one in every single poll. you know we are winning in iowa. we are winning and winning big. >> you're chuckling a little bit. your siblings are among closest advisers. do you spend a lot of time talking about the polls? >> we do. we should be proud of the polls. here is a guy in real estate his entire life. he is not a politician. he came into the process and is winning. i wish this country had a little more of that leader where you talk about winning. he doesn't need to run for
president of the united states. we have plenty of work to do. we have an amazing company. he wants to see this country win. i can see that and i have seen it in his yiz feyes for years. why are we always losing and losing every war? that's why he is putting aside his life. if he can be that good of a cheerleader on the national stage as he is in doing what we saw talking about how he is doing so well in the polls. every poll has him ahead i think the country would be in a great spot. >> has he had time to prepare for this debate? >> it's in his wheelhouse. this is business, job creation. i'm sure a lot of it will focus on the national deficit and major problems we have in health care reform. this is in his wheelhouse. when you talk about business and numbers and deficits there would be no one better to run this country. >> have you working with him i
know you and i have had a chance talking about the tax plan and more specifics coming specifically about cuts and other things. is that something that you talk to him about that you work on? >> i don't get that involved with policy. i see him every day which i think is a much more relevant situation. there would not be government waste. you would have the brightest people. i read an article about $43 million being spent on a gas station that couldn't open in afghanistan. natural gas. that would not happen. you read about the million dollars in guantanamo bay soccer fields being built for prisoners. that would not happen under him. >> your father talks a lot about money. yo you're talking about money now. here is a clip of that. >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm not using lobbiests, not using donors. i'm really rich. >> we are going to work so hard.
i am going to spend whatever money is necessary. i don't care. i seem to have one great power if i could sell it i would be 100 times richer than i am and i am rich. >> also, funny. those are all real, not "saturday night live." you say he made you learn the value of a dollar. you didn't grow up talking or thinking like that. it doesn't sound that way like he is always talking about how rich he is. >> isn't it part of the american dream? we want to be a nation where you can get rich and build tremendous wealth out of virtually nothing. really for us we did not take vacation. we worked from a very young age we were on construction jobs and i was demoing walls and running wire and everything else you can possibly imagine. those are really the building blocks for jobs now. we are the first people there every day, the last people to leave. we got paid minimum age as young
kids as you should. it instilled the value of the dollar in us. it is the greatest thing a parent can do. nothing good comes out of kids with a lot of free time. he instills work. we are still the first people in the office every day and travel more than anybody. we are workaholics. >> i appreciate your time. good to see you. breaking news, turmoil at a major university over charges of racism as two top officials step aside. will it be enough to keep the campus from exploding. and amid allegations of bribery we will take you inside egypt's sharm el sheikh airport. my constipation and belly pain... ...feel like a raging storm. i've tried laxatives... ... but my symptoms keep returning. my constipation... ...feels like a heavy weight... ...that keeps coming back. linzess can help. once-daily linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation.
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campus. obviously i was identified as the reason. >> the university's chancellor just announcing he is stepping down. tension has been growing for months on this campus. there have been multiple incidences of hate crimes. one student refusing to eat until the president stepped down. >> reporter: hands raised in victory, arms supporting a vizbly weak jonathan butler. student activists celebrate. their protests won. >> police are focusing on the fact of the hunger strike. why did we have to get here in the first place? >> reporter: for more than a week butler was on a public hunger strike. butler and fellow student activists pointed to a history of racial incidents that they
say the president ignored. in 2010 cotton balls scattered in front of the student center, a reference to slavery. most recently a swasticka in human excrement left on a dorm wall. the students say the post ferguson generation shaped in the city two hours away. black students make up 7% of the 35,000 students. these protesters mobilize camping out. faculty threatened to walk off the job. it was this that became the protest game changer. 30 football players tweeted they would boycott team activities until the president resigned. the coach tweeting the images and this, we are behind our players a possible million dollar fine wolf now a
polarizing figure gave in to student demands. >> i take full responsibility for this frustration and i take full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred. use my resignation to heal and start talking again, to make the changes necessary. >> reporter: the football coach says he doesn't regret standing with his players. >> i know my players were suffering and felt awful. i am like their dad. i'm going to help them in any way i can. >> it should not have taken this much. it is disgusting. >> reporter: and the president not the only resignation. the chancellor announcing he is stepping down from his job in january. ♪ that we shall overcome >> the university's board of cure ators announced a series of initiatives they promise to implement including hiring a
diversity officer, a full review of policies and providing additional support for anyone who feels they are victims of discrimination. >> thank you very much. live from university of missouri tonight. ac 360 will have more on this story. outfront next when isis released this video claiming responsibility for taking down flight 9268 were they hinting that the plane they show will be their next target? and the debate on whether this is a sinkhole? here at the td ameritrade trader group, they work all the time. sup jj? working hard?
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>> reporter: startling allegations of security lapses at sharm el sheikh international airport, allegations that employees are accepting bribes and luggage scanners are not functioning, allegations the egyptians deny. for now this is as close as our cameras can get to the airport after the military took over and kicked the media out. it wasn't always this way. just days after the plane crash egyptian officials were eager to show us around. they took us on a tour and showed us the luggage screening process, process the british government says may have been manipulated. bbc reports british intelligence believes a bomb was placed in the lower half of the plane's fuselage. >> all bags are x rayed. that's when they send it to this machine. >> it is used to test for
explosives. when we were there everything seemed to run smoothly but the the associated press reports that is not always the case. an unnamed airport official says the machine often breaks down and with quote human stupidity rather than technical faults. another official told ap the policemen at the scanning machines are poorly paid, sometimes take bribes to allow drugs and weapons through. one policeman told cnn he and his colleagues are not searched before entering, instead vetted and managed by top securities and their work is watched by a camera system. we're it would they have footage of flight 9268 but won't show us siting the on going investigation. during our tour, we weren't allowed to see everything we wanted and they didn't say why. we asked to get onto the tarmac. this is as close as we were
allowed to go. we filmed through an open door and denied access to the room used to monitor the e airport. egyptian authorities are hitting back, the spokesman said we're not 100% mistake free. it is possible but not in the way it was portrayed. they are baseless and false. >> well, egyptian officials insist that the airport is safe, british and russian officials are skeptical. they sent in their own teams to evaluate the airport. whether or not isis down flight 9268, it seems security at this and other airports in the region will remain under scrutiny. erin? >> erin, thank you very much and joining me now, cnn terrorism analyst paul crack shank.
the u.s. says they are 99.9% certain a bomb brought down the plane. what is next. >> isis could recruit other terrorists. the u.s. has security screenings with flights from kuwait, cairo, jordan, these are countries with an isis presence on the ground. they could look to recruit at airports. there is also concern about the manpower, the surface to air missiles that this group has that they got from libya, those can reach altitudes of 15 to 16,000 feet. the heat-seeking missiles, they use one to take out an egyptian helicopter and actually filmed them, the concern is they could go close to an airport perimeter and use them as flights are coming in or taking off. there was actually an al qaeda attempt in 2002 in kenya. they actually managed to fire two missiles which almost took
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i-hop thinking about this. and then all of a sudden, your car ends up pancaked. this is drone footage showing the dozen or more cars that fell into a 30-foot deep hole when i-hop's brand-new parking lot collapsed in mississippi. >> it was a big deal. we finally got an i-hop and as soon as it opens, this happens. >> reporter: what is this? >> i'm not going to call it a sink hole, it's an accident. >> reporter: it became apparent an under ground storm drain is a culpr culprit. this is a sink hole. eight vintage corvette fell in in kentucky. for purest a sink hole is when rock is dissolved by ground water leading the a sudden collapse but we call anything that causes things to suddenly sink into a hole a sink hole. at the i-hop no one was hurt.
this chevy was the luckiest, three tires left on the pavement and by the next day only two were still on. it was the first car to be removed. sink hole or no sink hole, for now let's just call it the international house of holes, i-ho. the drone footage so impressive they asked to go lower to look at a pipe. your drone got swallowed by the hole, did it not? >> yes. >> reporter: it clipped the side of the trench and ended up in it. thefire department came to the rescue. >> they got a big long stick with a hook on it basically, yanked it out. >> reporter: for now, i-hop is closed and i'm hungry, this non-sink hole wants me want to sink my teeth into a stack of flapjacks, not a stack after cars. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> that truly is the mother of all sink holes.
incredible. you finally get an i-hop and it gets destroyed by a sink hole. thanks for joining us. set your dvr to watch "outfront" at any time. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. dramatic climax to events at one of america's largest universities. the president and chancellor stepping down in a storm of protest over racism. protests that continues as we speak. it's been growing for weeks with people statewide and nationwide watching. one grad student loaunched a hunger strike and this weekend may have been the decisive blow. members of the football team that brings in millions of dollars of revenue said they would boycott games until university president timothy wolfe designs. >> my decision to resign comes out of love, not hate. >> elected