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watching one student launched a hunger strike and over the weekend came what may be the decisive blow. on saturday members of the football team that brings in tens of millions of dollars in revenue said they would boycott games until timothy wolf resigned and this afternoon he did just that. >> my decision to resign comes out of love, not hate. >> as protesters linked hands in celebration, elected officials weighed in on both sides of the isle and issue. in a moment we'll talk to the graduate student that launched the hunger strike. a young man says some people considered him a dead man walking that he wouldn't survive the hunger strike. first, kyung lah is in colombia and joins us with the latest. seems like this escalated quickly. take us through what happened. >> yeah, the students who are here we'll tell you, anderson, this has been simmering for years, some date back to 2010 but really came to ahead and started boiling over mid september. two students in the black student leadership say they had
racial slurs thrown at them and there was a swez to ka and the university leadership specifically the president anderson, they say that they did not get a satisfactory answer and we saw dramatic protest and what we saw with the football team. >> the school chancellor announcing he plans to step down at the end of the year, is that directly related to the crisis on campus? >> reporter: it's very curious. they were separated by several hours and the language used when the chancellor would be reassigned moving to a new job quite different than what the president used from what we are told, and what you see in paper is that the chancellor says he's going to be moving to a no position, research facilities development but we're hearing from local newspaper that there
were nine deans and it was disorder. >> teachers planned to walk out. were they planning something. >> reporter: the tents are empty and the students are not actively protesting but left them behind. there is more work to be done. the university says they will do and and are promising within 90 days they want to make sure they have a chief diversity officer and find new ways to address student concerns. >> kyung lah, thanks. on the grad student that went hungry to make his point. we spoke to paton head. john, you stopped eating last week. were you surprised how quickly the president stepped down and now the chancellor?
>> you know, i wouldn't say i was surprised about the president stepping down and chancellor. it should have stoppened earlier because former um system president tim wolf had a track record since he's been in office of just being negligent and not performing key roles of his duty so we really honestly reiterated but should have never gotten to this point. >> paton, for those who don't go to the university of missouri, can you explain what the campus university is like for african american students? >> especially at this time it's very tense. it is unsafe. and it's that's one of the main reasons we have been calling for leadership in a time where students are saying over and over and over we feel unsafe and unincluded. as student body president that's my job. i bring issues to the administration so they can address them.
what i've seen over the course of my year in office here at the university of missouri is a lack of response, a lack of concern for these issues that marginalize students have been bringing to the attention of um administration for years. >> john, just on a personal level, when you were not eating, i mean, to go on this hunger strike, did you have any doubts at any point? >> i don't think i had any doubts because for me, i never took it as a deficit approach. a lot of people know how corrupt the system is and thought i was going to die from day one. from the moment i made my announcement, people thought i was a dead man walking. for me, especially with faith and god i didn't look at it from a deficit approach i would die even though i took precautions that i might, i really did come at this with an approach of victory knowing the harder we fight, the greater the reward. >> you said you took precautions you might, what do you mean? >> precautions in eterms of
updating my living will and have a dnr signed and what would happen with certain things in terms if i had a seizure or went into a coma and i outlined them in documents to make sure people would have turned out poorly. - >> so you were really prepared to go that far? >> yes, this was not a light decision. i've been facing issues on this campus as an under grad since 2008 and as a graduate student here, i've been facing these issues and so this wasn't an easy decision to make but over the past two and a half, three weeks prior to the hunger strike i took time with consulting my spiritual leaders and pastors and other mentors about this decision and knowing that i am truly committed to this change, that's what i really set my heart on doing and just was the necessary precautions just in case anything happened. >> and this is important. as an under graduate, you said you've been facing them going back to 2008. did you feel unsafe on campus?
>> i felt unsafe since the moment i stepped on campus. the thing we've been pushing to everyone is that we love mizzou enough to critique and fight against the injustices we face at the school. my first semester ehere, i had someone write the "n" word on the wall and been in altercations with chiwhite gentlemen on campuses and instances that went on. for me, it's just i've always not felt welcome at this university because the campus hasn't been in welcoming and inclusive environment. >> paton, the missouri's lieutenant governor peter kinder was on a radio interview today and said that you and the students had no legitimate authority to drive the president out and were seeking quote governance by mob rule. those were his words and said it was reminiscing of ferguson. >> in regards to that comment, i have nothing to say. i think that shows the lack of leadership in this state that's
a problem and it shows the fact that this is not just, you know, um system issue. this is national issue that we need to address as a whole. these incidents on this campus are not single isolated incidents. racism is systematic. its institutional and we're not blaming mr. wolf for institutional racism. we have a problem with a leader that's supposed to represent the students coming from all 50 states over 120 different countries around the world not understanding the history of this institution and how it's played a role in perpetuating systems of violence towards marginalize and minortized students. that's what i think the people in this state need to educate themselves on and that goes up to the capital, the um system and it goes to the nation, as well. >> paton head, and john butler, appreciate your time tonight. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. just ahead, the next republican debatees facing off
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runner in the latest national polls with dr. ben carson behind him and making gains, two of the main stage debater have been on the defense sieve about chapters from the past. dana bash tonight has an overview. >> reporter: ben carson is surging in south carolina running neck and neck with donald trump. >> it's not particularly getting under my skin. >> reporter: carson is on the rise as questions persist about his life story defined by tails of personal struggle and redemption, central to his appeal. >> you're asking me about something 50 years ago and you expect me to have details on that? forget about it. it's not going to happen. >> reporter: whether it's the fact cnn could not find anyone that could corroborate his story, a boy only saved by his belt buckle or the wall street journal questioning his an in this case do-- carson says he's
victim of unfair media bias. >> it's stupid. it's our media is no better than investigating than that, it's sick. >> reporter: carson declines to identify individuals involved in the violent outburst but today pointed to a 1997 story featuring his mother sonia who told "parade magazine" said, oh, that really happened, carson's top advisor sounds a different note from the candidate telling cnn the questions are fair game. >> i think it's a very good thing that dr. carson is being vetted, that dr. carson is being tested. >> reporter: and other candidates listening to carson complain say welcome to the big leagues. >> i don't have a lot of sympathy. he should answer the questions forthrightly and directly. >> reporter: marco rubio is also facing scrutiny for his past using a florida republican party credit card for personal expenses but his campaign is confronting with a different tactic releasing statements this weekend insist ting there is no
there, there. donald trump tied with carson has the most to gain by the controversy and stoked it on cnn's "state of the union". >> ben wrote a book and it's a tough book because he talked about he has pathological disease. that's a serious statement when you say you have pathological disease because as i understand it, you can't really cure it, but he said he has pathological disease. >> carson isn't the only first time politician prone to embellishing in the past. here is what donald trump told us this summer. >> everybody exaggerates. i guess i do a little bit. i want to say good things. >> dana, you've been talking to the campaigns. any idea to what to expect tomorrow night on the debate stage? >> reporter: they expect to get a lot of questions focussed on the economy, focused on jobs, even more so than in the past. first of all, because this is a business news kind of forum but also because the campaigns at
least are hoping that this is kind of a lessons learned from the last time around but i think what we should focus on is obviously ben carson because you know, anderson, in the past he has really been mild mannered and hasn't been thrust into the mix, if you will, but we've seen a very different ben carson which you saw in the piece over the past several days. he's really gotten alittle bit more fiery. to see if that is going to come through in this debate tomorrow night will be fascinating. >> thanks. a short time ago at a rally in illinois, donald trump went after dr. carson again without actually naming him but no mistaking who he was talking about. listen. >> if you try and hit your mother over the head with a hammer, your poll numbers go up. i never saw anything like it. i haven't seen that yet, but, you know, probably that's going to happen. no, it's a lot of weird things are happening. this is a strange election, isn't it?
man, you stab somebody and the newspapers say you didn't do it. and you said yes, i did, i did it. no, you didn't. yes, i did. i stabbed him and it hit the belt. and they said you didn't do it. if they said i didn't do it, i'd be so happy. this is the only election in history where you're better off if you stabbed somebody. what are we coming to? >> well, he's kind of right about that. a lot to talk about. joining me jeffrey lord and tara, jeffrey served as ronald reagan political director and tara served as communications director for a congressman and with us, cnn political analyst and advisor david garrigan. what are you expecting tomorrow night on that stage for dr. carson, there were some complaints that at the last cnbc debate that was supposed to be
on economics that got muddied and detailed, he didn't talk in depth on economics, does he have to kind of step up and do that? >> absolutely. since the last debate, anderson, he clarified what his tax plan and where the level of taxation would be set. he maybe indicated 10% and raised it to 15%. a lot of folks will tear it apart and say it's a wind fall for the rich and doesn't help people at the bottom much. he's going to have to defend that as well with trump coming at him. i also think if carson can come out of the debate well, that will help him because right around thanksgiving, things began to settle down for awhile and hold for awhile and stay in place. if he can be up there running neck and neck with trump coming out of the debate. that's a very good place for him to be. >> tara, if you're cruise or rubio or fiorina, do you go after carson or trump? at some point you have to do something to shake things up to
get out of single digits. >> yeah, but i think that we've seen going after one another hasn't really worked. i think people are tired of that. they are put off by it. and this debate, you know, we're, what, 11 1 weeks out an haven't heard anyone take on the economy as the signature campaign issue. we haven't heard that. when the economy polls, number one issue, the economy isn't great despite the numbers. the middle class isn't feeling it. labor participation is low. and so this is an opportunity for those candidates like rubio and carson, i mean, excuse me, like cruz to actually demonstrate their chops of policy chops, economic chops and i think if carson doesn't have a solid performance on that, he could trip up because he's not necessarily known for policy specifics. >> jeffrey, i have no doubt moderators, fox is doing this. they are smart. i think they are going to go like a laser on economic issues
just as cnbc was supposed to and got hammered for, you know, for some of the quality of their questions. i think they want to stand in sharp contrast to cnbc and i think it's going to be interesting because i do think you're going to get a lot of specifics. >> yes, i think that's exactly what i was thinking here right before you said that, anderson. this is the place where fox at this point, they just want to keep their moderators' heads down and provide the debate everyone said was not provided by cnbc. that will work to the advantage or disadvantage or whomevr on the stage has actual proposals and fluent enough to discuss them. i'm not sure the personal attacks will be there because i'm not sure they will be provided necessarily. >> david, down think it works to donald trump's advantage. if you're looking for people with specifics on economic issues, his critics say he's not
a person -- >> i agree but don't agree, tara, nobody made it a signature issue. actually jeb bush put out quite a lot of material and a couple other candidates, rubio -- >> but if a tree falls in the forest -- >> exactly. >> it's gone unnoticed. >> this is -- perhaps an opportunity for jeb bush. >> and i think jeff. >> and about 50% of what happened last night on cnn he would do well but i think because there has been some personality driven and because you have eight people on the stage, you get really mixed-up what you're listening to. i think to have really good debate, we need to narrow the field more. personalities will play. >> this is the smallest one so far. >> that's true. the rnc is having a meeting wednesday to discuss again what they can do to change the
structure of the debates moving forward. so obviously, heard the complaints of the campaigns about this and i think for jeb bush, he's not his brother and that has come across, you know, pretty clearly and that's why he's not breaking through. he doesn't connect. and this might be something he thrives off of because he is a wonk. you have to be able to translate it to listen to him and i'm not sure he's going to be able to do that at this point. >> it would be interesting. say it is whittled down to five that helps or hurts donald trump and dr. ben carson, if you have more time to get into greater detail, even says they want to get into detail, do you think it helps them? >> yes, i do because i think the depth of the outsider vote and when you add as we've done before you know the carson and the trump and the cruise vote to some degree marco rubio certainly carly fiorina, some of these cases it's as much as 65%. i think the people are decided they want somebody who is a
quote unquote outsider. the question is, who is it? and i think that's what is really going to be decided here and i actually think this is going to be a life of death situation as it were for jeb bush. he's really got to put out here and if he doesn't, if he does as he did the last time, big trouble. >> david, i mean, you've watched a lot of elections and this is different than any we've seen but traditionally, people flirt with an outsider and go with a more established candidate. >> i think that's what political pros are betting on, this will come down to one of the outsiders versus one of the more prodi traditional candidates. if jeb goes down again tomorrow night, then rubio goes up and it could be a two per son carson versus trump. >> but a debate like this could differentiate between the outsiders and the people who have political experience because we're talking about
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there is growing certainty among key officials metrojet 9268 was brought down by a bomb and an isis affiliate was responsible and someone planted explosives on the airbus at the airport in egypt. jim sciutto has the latest. >> reporter: tonight, u.s. intelligence is 99.9% certain a u.s. official tells cnn that a bomb brought down metrojet 9268 over the sinai. >> there is high probability isis was involved. that doesn't mean adirected attack. >> reporter: the increasingly
likely conclusion spiking ominous new warnings from the global threat of isis. >> this is huge worldwide problem. >> isis eclipsed al qaeda. >> we need to be weary of flights. >> reporter: the lead investigator noted a loud noise on the cockpit voice recorder but still couldn't concede a bomb as the likely culprit. >> the observation of the aircraft wreckage does not yet allow for either defying the origin of the in flight breakup. >> reporter: u.s., british and israel officials seemed convinced. some crucial unteintelligence pd along to the u.s. and u.k. one focus, the possibility this was an inside job with isis recruiting an airport worker in sham el-sheikh to place a bomb
on board the plane. >> if they were able to infiltrate sham el-sheikh airport, they certainly could have had the opportunity to do that in other airports throughout the middle east. >> there is no definitive statement on the crash from the u.s. yet because the evidence is incomplete. some the equivalent of hearsay and the u.s. had no access to evidence such as debris to look for explosives, residue or the voice recorder to assess the mysterious sound heard on that tape. that said, if isis is found to have done this, this would be in the words of this official, clear and concerning evidence of isis' ambitions outside iraq and syria. anderson? >> thank you. joining us now, cnn national security analyst, bob bear and a former u.s. assistant for homeland security and cia officer. julia, you had an article you said british officials announcing this was a bomb might have caused isis to stop
talking. was this a misstep? >> i think it was. i don't want to say anyone is right or wrong at this stage. these are real hard calibrations but because we have no access to the evidence, because there is no evidence right now in terms of proof of bomb material, right? we're still at the stage where we don't know if it was a bomb, let alone it was a bomb from isi is. we are -- how we believe it is isis is from sources and methods of intelligence and infiltration. we are reporting and cnn is reporting it's likely israel. in the process of knowing that this was isis or at least looking at this intelligence, we've exposed the extent to which we have infiltrated isis and i'm guessing those communications are closed off. and so the way to think about it rather than right or wrong is this is a win for the battle, in other words, we know and found out it's isis and that's good but this is a long-term war ahead and this clearly in the
exposing of the sources and methods of how we found out it's isis, it's clearly going to up set some of our intelligence efforts. >> the bob, the fact the response is fairly muted a couple videoing claims responsibility. does that surprise you? would you be expecting to hear more from them publicly if they were the ones that brought down the plane? >> anderson, i would. i would think they would consider this a great victory bringing down a russian airplane. they are at war with russia and been bombed. what i would have expected at this point is the islamic state to come out and say look, we took this plane down and this is how we did it, offered some sort of proof they truly were involved. in the past they have provided videos and the rest of it because they do want to take credit like this so it makes me wonder if the islamic state was behind it. a lot of this chatter that juliette was talking about is vague and cryptic. i've never seen chatter that is
a smoking gun so we're pretty much in the dark. we're in the dark how the bomb got on the airport, as well. it could have been someone put it on or checked through luggage. >> juliette again in your article, you talk about black propaganda, leaking false information to throw your enemies off the trail. is that what you think could be going on here? >> i think it's an alternative explanation given we have in physical proof yet of the fact this was a bomb. look, all evidence significaugg was a bomb so i want to make that clear. i don't want to close theories. one is isis is using a way to pick up chatter and we believe it was them even if it wasn't them. so that's why someone like me and bob clearly from what he said, we like physical evidence. chatter is chatter and we can interpret it but proof of bomb material, something conclusive from the black box because the consequences will be so great. russia is going to clearly
respond. >> talking about consequences, bob, if it was in fact a bomb done by isis leads to a much more scary proposition, which is how vulnerable airports actually are right now. >> anderson, we've been talking about this before, yes, it is and it's not in sham el-sheikh, airports around the world including the united states. a ground staff is not thoroughly vetted and if you can get around a tsa check in this country, you can get a bomb on a fairly simple one home made and you can even get a liquid bomb on made from home made stuff. this is very scary and the quicker we reassemble this airplane to figure out what it was, whether it was a c 4 explosive or homemade bomb it going to help us a lot. frankly, anderson, i worry about egyptians and ability to conduct this investigation keeping the fbi out is not good. >> juliette, that was high next question. if the egyptians have a vested interest in this not being a
bomb because it makes them look bad and hurts tourism, they are in charge of the investigation on the ground thanks doesn't bode well. >> that's exactly right. i mean, look, egyptians should be in charge. this happened in their country. the more they close off, the more the theories will just go out of control. whey would say to egypt is the plane is already down. right? so that, you know, recreation, travel, the country already has been impacted. the best that they can do is get the truth out and learn from it. the damage is already done. so i don't know why they are being like this. >> just ahead the manhunt for a man that shot a judge in texas and the police chase and shooting that left a father badly wounded and took the life of his 6-year-old son.
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kocurek's courtroom sat quiet monday. but now judge kocurek is in the middle of a tar ggeted murder attempt. the news stunned her fellow judges. >> the idea you wow ambush ordinary attacked in your home for the work that you do was just mind boggling to me. so in a nutshell, i would say i was devastated. >> reporter: the judge was attacked here on her driveway as she was coming home from a football game on friday night. the austin american statesman said someone put a garbage can or bag in the middle of the driveway forcing her car to stop. you can see the skid marks and glass when someone came out of the darkness and started firing at her. police say they arrived at the scene within five minutes of the getting the call but the attacker or attackers slipped away and are still at large. investigators say they don't even have a suspect.
>> unfortunately, this occurred during the darkness and we are working through a number of witnesses that will hopefully be able to give us additional details that will help us track down this person or persons who were responsible for shooting. >> reporter: if she was targeted getting in and out of the judge's neighborhood with its winding secluded streets would take some extensive planning and scouting of the area. those closest to the judge say it's terrifying to imagine someone deliberately planning the attack. >> it's stunning. there were really aren't words to describe how you feel. it's terrible. >> reporter: investigators are pouring through judge kocurek's cases looking for anyone that might have a judge but she spent about 25 years in austin working as a prosecutor and then a judge. there's a potentially long list of defendants who might feel they have been wronged. >> is there any question in your mind that she was targeted?
>> there is not any in my mind. >> reporter: defense attorney david mitten has known judge kocurek for years and says she's a fair and considering. >> she would have had to make enemies for doing her job. it's just something that it comes with the territory but you never think it will come to this. >> ed, dontonight, any leads? >> reporter: doesn't appear so at this point. however, austin police have been extremely quiet but we reached out to them repeatedly and haven't gotten feedback from them or any kind of idea of where the investigation stands at this point. i don't know if that's a sign of something, but until now, they have been very tight lipped whab about what is going on. >> how is the judge doing? >> reporter: well, we got a statement late this afternoon from a spokesperson for the family saying that the judge appears to be improving every
day. is making progress in her recovery. and also, they sent out well wishes and a thank you to all of the people who sent her so much love and support here over the weekend since this attack. but the main part of that message saying she appears to be recovering nicely. to leaouisiana where a judg set bond at $1 million each that sent a father to the hospital and took a 6-year-old boy's life. this started with a chase nearly a week ago and ended according to authorities with two officers firing shot after shot into chris few's truck and five that mortally wounded his son. we are learning some of what led to the case and facts surrounding this senseless killing. martin savidge joins us. how did this chase start? >> this is the question many are asking.
how did it start and end up with so much gunfire? it start apparently a week ago, tuesday night and chris few the father of the child according to a source close to the information in the case was seen arguing with his girlfriend outside of a bar on served by the marshals involved and felt this was so extreme and severe the marshals wanted to intervene to prevent it from getting farther out of hand and attempted to move in on chris few and detain him but according to the source he would have none of that. he got in the vehicle and his son inside and took off. that's what started the chase. what this source will not say and does not know is why did it end up with so much gunfire? because they eventually panned in him and the officers open the
fire, 16 to 18 shots fired. he was struck twice. critically wounding him and his young son hit five times and died nearly instantly according to the coroner. >> there were reports early there were warrants for the father's arrest but is that true or not? >> reporter: no, it's not true. apparently according to the state police, they are in charge of this investigation. there is a lot that's gone on but the state authorities that are the ultimate source on this and they are saying that yes, there were initial reports chris few had warrants out. that is not true. they checked and rechecked and said there were no warrants. he had no gun. as far as anyone can determine, no one can figure out why the marshalls initially had to go after him. though, they say they know now and why did they have to shoot and shoot so many times? that's not been answered. >> the little boy 6 years old was just buried and dad in the hospital. thank you for that report. up next, an olympic medalist comes out saying he's tired of spending years hiding.
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another athlete who is standing up. 24-year-old ken guthrie is an olympic silver medalist. three weeks ago, gus kenworthy told the world that he's gay. i spoke with him recently. so why did you decide to make the announcement? >> i decide to make the announcement because i was at a point where it was getting painful for me to continue on with this sher raid and play this role that i didn't really want to be playing. when i was young, the questions were surrounding the sport, what i was doing, injuries, weather. and then after the olympics, it was so much more about my personal life, girlfriends, that kind of -- crushes. so then i felt like i was in this position where i was lying or avoiding answers and was just always walking on eggshells, was just nervous that i was going to use the wrong pronoun and out myself.
>> it's interesting because i read something about your metaling at sochi. you said you never got to be proud of what you did at sochi because you felt so horrible about what you didn't do. >> yeah. i had talked, going into the games, with my boyfriend about landing and going to the bottom of the course and kissing him on camera and that would be my way to come out to everybody. >> make a statement in russia. >> make a statement in russia. i had talked about that. we had talked about that. and it just didn't happen. in hindsight, i'm glad it didn't happen because i hadn't told my mom or dad or anybody that was in my inner circle. >> that would have been quite a moment for your family. >> yeah. i think it's good that i had an opportunity to talk to the people that are important in my life and had that conversation with. and then be able to come out publicly and have gotten so much feedback from people saying they were in the same position. that just, like, that is so touching to me because i feel
like i didn't have that role model when i was younger. i didn't have someone to look up to, someone that was out, someone that kind of had these masculine qualities that i felt like i wanted to have and also, i could relate to on the level of being gay. >> were you nervous? >> i was nervous. my income and my career is based, i guess, on my image and i didn't want to do something that would tarnish my image or change it, i guess. so i was nervous. but it's been great. my sponsors have been supportive. if anything, this opens the door for new sponsors. >> did -- you always knew as a kid that you were gay? >> i've known i was gay since i was, like, 5. i think i fully understood what that meant and knew it about myself with the term and everyone when i was like 16. >> i read at the time you were depressed and contemplated suicide. is that right? yeah, it is.
i lost my best friend when i was 14 in a ski accident. and it was horrible and it was tragic. but the beautiful thing about it was our whole town and community and neighboring towns came together in a way that i've never seen anyone come together and supported him and his family and it was so beautiful and i -- i remember thinking, i hope everyone remembers me in this great way, and i would be remembered for positive things and not that i was gay, and i was soo frayed of people finding out. i don't know, i guess i was so nervous about coming out and being gay and accepting that would change people's views of me for the worst. >> what ws the conversation like with your mom? was it -- it's not an easy conversation to have. >> no, it wasn't. and i knew my mom would be accepting and i also kind of thought she just knew because i had this long-term boyfriend even though i hadn't told her. and when i did tell her, i
started crying and i told her and she's like, i know. it's fine. she was so not phased, but i was emotional. >> and are you -- do you feel different after having made the announcement, it's one thing to walk into a room and have everybody know, oh, he's gay. does it feel different? >> it's a little strange, for sure, suddenly having everybody know something so personal about you. i guess i'm just embracing myself. so it just feels good. this is the personal i've wanted to be, that i've struggled to be. now that i can be that person, i guess i just feel proud. >> do you feel in the sport that you're in, that people still use the term gay in a derogatory way, like that's so gay. >> that's something for me that was hard and i would lose focus at contests because you would be sitting at the top with irchbls waiting for your run, a score would come in and somebody would
be like, oh, the judges are being so gay. and i'm like, they're really not. i'm picturing them making out in the booth or something. they're not being very generous with their scores. that's just the wrong word. but then it would suddenly take me out of the head space that i wanted to be in to be competing and focused and ready. so it was always a distraction. >> do you think you coming out will in some small way thang that or begin to? >> i definitely do. i don't think anyone says those things to hurt anyone's feelgsz. it's just that they don't have an association to the word. but someone that they're in the start gate with does have an hope that it would change the - way that they talk and the way that they act. >> i'm really proud of you and really happy you came out. thanks. >> for sure. gus kenworthy. we'll be right back. working on my feet all day gave me pain here.
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