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we're waiting for him to come back here to z him a couple of questions. we hope, including maybe to respond to what carly fiorina just told us about how she felt he came across when he asked her to stop interrupting so much. during the debate. but also how he feels about -- i'm just making sure he's not close, how he feels about just how it went overall because, you know, it was pretty intense policy discussion. and those moments, he didn't play as much as he had in the past when it's been about personality or character or politics. we'll ask him about that as soon as we can. >> we'll check back in with you. we talked about this a little bit during the break. do you think any minds were really changed tonight? we saw it in that unscientific focus group. >> i really don't. i think this thing went pretty much true to form. i don't think the front-runners probably lost much ground.
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i think the two guys who been doing well, cruz and rubio, did well again. i think push did better but i don't think he did enough to really ignite his candidacy. i think kasich was more energetic, but i don't think he's selling something that republicans are particularly buying. >> we're watching this slide, i think, possibly to a four-man race. with the two front-runner, with carson and trump, and with rubio and cruz. >> yeah. a slower fall for carson and trump. i think they'll maintain front-runner status, probably for a few more months but it will be a gradual fall. >> you think they will fall? >> i do. the race could come down to cruz and rubio. we will have a very good debate about the future of the republican party and take a more hard line conservative stance or a more moderate one about whether we would increase military spending and child care tax credits without paying for them.
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>> >> i think what you just heard from that guy in south carolina from focus group is so telling. it's telling for the voters in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina in the early states. they are volatile state where is they make up their minds fairly late in the game. they are going to spend the next 90 days hear, looking, meeting, investigating, scrutinizing, and they can change their minds ten times between now and then. >> looks like donald trump is coming up to dana. >> how are you, appreciate it. first, just generally, were you happy with the way this debate went? >> i thought it was great. i thought the moderators were elegant. i thought the questions were really, really on point. and i thought it was a great night. i really thought it was actually the word is elegant. it was an elegant evening. the three of them, they were so professional. especially after the last catastrophe where people were asking about fantasy football, however that stuff gets in there. but they were really -- they really did a great job. >> what did you make of your
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exchange with john kasich who, i just spoke to after the debate ended, and he said he's going to keep pressing on the fact that he thinks that your immigration plan is pie in the sky and it's just not realistic. >> that's okay. there are a few people up there, as you know, who agree with me on my plan. if you look at early 1950s, a man named president dwight eisenhower moved 1.5 million out because he didn't want illegal immigration and he moved them out three different times. he moved them here, here, and then finally he really moved them out. we have no choice, we're a nation of laws when we have to do it right. we need borders and we have to come into the country, come in legally. and i think that was very wise. it may have been my largest applause of the night when i said about the wall, when i talked about immigration. it may have been actually the largest applause i got that night. >> i just spoke with carly fiorina and asked her about the moment whechb you asked the moderators why she was
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interrupting so much and she said it was typical trump that you don't want to be interrupted. and others were interrupting all night long. >> carly has a habit of just speaking whenever she want to speak. i think i was speak on behalf of the ore people up there. she was fine, but i thought it was appropriate, because every -- she interrupted too many times. >> i asked her if she thought it was because of her gender, because that's what she was suggesting to me. she said you decide. >> say hello to jeff zucker. >> are you concerned about that? >> i'm not concerned about anything. say hello to jeff. >> i will, bye. >> donald trump was a model of decorum. who knew. >> it's his wife who seems to have a calming effect on him. >> talk about his answer there. i cannot for the life of me, as someone who desperately wants to stop illegal immigration, why he is leading with the deporation card. >> it worked so well for mitt romney. >> you can talk about stopping the flow of illegal immigration.
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how would you actually fix it and it's easier to say deport and build a wall than go through the actual process of figuring out how you stop this problem. >> for those just tuning in at the top of the hour, i just want to show you some of the key moments. this debate was billed as being about the economy. for many on the stage, it was always about more than just that for donald trump and ben carson, it was a chance to show republican voters why they deserve to be leading. ted cruz and marco rubio came in with perhaps the most to gain. several others took the opportunity to stake out their differences from the rest of the pack. let's look at some key moments during this debate. >> when you think it's going to be a good idea to have a no-fly zone over iraq, that means you think you're going to shoot down russian planes. if you're ready for that, be ready to send your sons and daughters into another war in iraq. i don't want to see that happen.
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i think the first war in iraq was a mistake. you can be strong without being involved in every civil war around the world. >> how would you respond? >> ronald reagan was strong gsh -- >> and ronald reagan walked away. he quit -- >> can i finish? >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? terrible. >> i would like to finish my response basically . >> if putin wants to go in, and i got to know him very well because we were both on "60 minutes." we were stable mates and we did very well that night. but you know that. but if putin wants to go and knock the hell out of isis, i am all for it 100% and i can't understand how anybody would against it. >> they're not doing that. >> hold it. they blew up -- >> they're not doing that. >> wait a minute. they blew up a russian airplane. he cannot be in love with these people. he's going in and we can go in and everybody should go in.
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>> donald is wrong on this. he's absolutely wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policemen, but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. there's a huge difference. without us leading, voids are filled. and the idea that it's a good idea for putin to be in syria, let isis talk out assad and then they'll take out isis, that's a board game. that's not how the real world works. >> mr. trump been aties himself as a very good negotiator. and i accept that he's done a lot of good deals. so mr. trump ought to know that we should not speak to people from a position of weakness. senator paul should know that as well. one of the reasons i've said that i would not be talking to vladimir putin right now, although i have met him as well, not in a green room for a show, but in a private meeting, [ applause ] >> bernie sanders and hillary clinton won't tell you that's really the thing hurting the
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middle class and the poor. they say it's the rich, take their money. but that won't help. youk take all the rich's money and it won't make a dent in the problem we're having. we have to come back to the fundamental principles that made america great. >> my worry is that the real economy has been hurt by the vast overreach of the obama administration. and hillary clinton, she wants to double down on that. she wants to create even more so. she is a captive of the left of her party to the point now where she was for the trade agreement, the pacific agreement. now she's against it. she hinted she was for the xl pipeline now she's opposed to it. all the things that would create sustained economic growth she's now doubling down against it. >> governor, you can't seriously guarantee there won't be another financial crisis, can you? >> you could if you were serious about -- >> ever? there will never be another financial crisis. >> why would you bail out rich wall street banks but not mom and pop -- you just said that.
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>> they were talking about what you would do with depositors. would you let these banks shut down? my argument is going forward, the banks have to reserve the capital so that the people who own the capital start pressuring the banks to not take these risky approaches, ted. >> what would you do if the bank was failing? >> i would not let the people who put their money in there all go down. >> so you would bail them out. >> no. as an executive, i would figure out how to separate those people who can afford it, versus those people who are the hard-working folks who put their money in the institutions. >> hillary clinton is the front-runner for the democratic nomination. if she is indeed the nominee, you will be facing a candidate with an impressive resume. she was the first lady of the united states.
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a senator from new york and secretary of state under barack obama. she has arguably more experience, certainly more time in government, than almost all of all of you on stage tonight. why should the american people trust you to lead this country, even though she has been so much closer to the office? >> well, that's a great question. and let me begin by answering it. >> it is interesting to the reaction to some of john kasich's comments. we go back to his comment on illegal immigration and deportati deportation, played well on the room. but you look at the reaction among conservatives on twitter, not very favorable at all to what he said. >> there's a lot of what john kasich said that's reminiscent of the worst of bush administration. illegal immigration, if you want to stop it, you're anti-immigrant, but also what you saw in the bailout discussion. what ted cruz was getting at was
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essentially, an echo of bush's remarks that we have to save the free market from itself. john kasich is saying we have to bail out the banks and not let people suffer. never mind the laws we have that already protect people. insurance of up to $200,000. the debate over the bailouts is what spurred the tea party into action. people were so frustrated with what president bush did, they are still working out that anger, and that anger is now being directed at john kasich because he reminds people of the bushes. governing is defined by a lot of these folks as moving the country. this is margaret thatcher's complaint about the british conservative party. later government would govern, move the country left, a conservative government would sit there and manage it then they would lose and repeat the cycle. she was determined to move the government and the country in the other direction because she thought it was really damaging britain. that was also ronald reagan's point. >> john kasich is the governor
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of a purple state. he has been in congress, he's been in the private sector, and he's now a governor of that purple state. the purplest of them all. the one that's most up for grabs. and he before and after this, he may still be after this. i give him kudos for not pandering. not trying to be who he's not. >> it it's a reflection not on him but what this republican party has become. >> there's a lot more to come, including a fact check on the candidates and a focus group in iowa as our coverage continues.
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>> welcome back. tonight's debate in milwaukee was a chance for candidates to break out and win voters. in the last hour we heard from voters near charleston. now the hawk eye state with. we watched the debate with voters we've been talking a lot about. randy, what did you hear? >> many of the voters are undecided. in fact, about 80% of iowans are still undecided. so this was a very important debate for them. they're all trying to get a lot closer to the candidate of their choice. there was a moment that really stood out for this group, particularly this moment where donald trump and jeb bush got into it over immigration. that's a very important issue in this community right here. so first watch this.
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>> we are a country of laws. we need borders. we will have a wall, the wall will be built, the wall will be successful, and if you think walls don't work, all you have to do is ask israel. >> what we need to do is ask people to earn legal status where they don't commit crimes and learn english. that's the proper path. >> clearly a big disagreement on the immigration issue. do you think so he made his case? >> oh, yeah, he made his case from day one when he was running. this country has laws. donald trump is the one who can enforce that and get that into place. >> do you really think he can get out the i'llegal immigrants? thousands of them? >> it's going to take time, no
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doubt. but donald trump is smart. he surround himself with people that can help him get the job done. and it's going to be done. and he can get it done and we'll be a great country again. >> somebody who might disagree with you is over here on my right. ben, you came into this debate as a ted cruz supporter. you also weighed in and you like his immigration plan? >> yes, ma'am, very much pip really like how he wants to solidify the border. that's essential. we have to stop illegal immigration, not just from mexicans coming over and eating jobs. we have to stop that from happening with terrorists, you know? if we have an open border, they just come in and out. >> and this actually solidified ted cruz for you tonight. you were on the fence, but this is it? >> i'm in for ted cruz, yep. yep. >> i liked his statement not being for amnesty as well. that's very important. >> i think it's difficult as a christian because we have to
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reconcile the commands that we have to have compassion for people and that we have to follow the laws of the land. so we have so find a way to make those two work together on it. it's interesting, though, in the area of immigration, it's the only policy that is been created more so -- i'm a santorum supporter. he says it's the only one where the policies are designed in the best interest of the immigrant, rather than in the best interest of americans. i think there's a lot of hurting american families whose jobs and wages have been driven down because of it. so you have to look at all of those issues instead of just focusing on one aspect of it. >> it's a very tough issue, very important issue, as i said here in this community. but two people have officially decided tonight in terms of their candidate. one being right here, ben next to me. anderson, back to you. >> randi, thank all of them for sticking with us. it is interesting to hear. and again, those were
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evangelical voters. anything surprising? >> not really. what it tills me more broadly, the republican party wants to be a law and order party. donald trump is strongest talking about illegal immigration when he talks about stopping illegal immigration, not deportation. when nod rat candidates turn the discussion about illegal immigration until how we will give protections and amnesty to legal status to people who already broke the law, people are rejecting that outright. how come the republican party has become so much more hard line on this in recent years? it's because it gets worse and worse every year and now we have the national security element to worry about. >> the question is, is it worse than it was in 2012 when mitt romney talked about self-deportation during the primaries and then it hurt him in the general election? this isn't self-deportation. this is deportation, right? so it's a step further you can right? >> donald trump is the only one
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talking about it in those terms. i think that's a negative. i'm saying the republicans are really strong -- >> let's play the talk about amnesty. >> the democrats are laughing, because if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. i understand when the mainstream media covers immigration, it's often an economic issue. but i can tell you for the millions of americans at home watching this, it is a very personal economic issue. and i will tell you, the politics of it would be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the rio grande. or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the woodrow wilson bridges in the press.
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>> what he was saying was reflected in john king's polling numbers, 40% or something. and then right behind that was illegal immigration. we've seen poll where is that's in iowa. the two issues are intertwined. they're not separate issues. they're together. that's why he makes such an impact with it. precisely because he's so crystal clear. >> we have a country that's becoming more diverse each election. the republican candidate has to get something in order of 40% of the hispanic vote to win the election. george w. bush got 44%, mitt romney got 27%. we're more diverse than we were in 2004 when george w. bush -- i have to tell you, just as a clinical matter, this is a losing debate for the republican party.
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if the republican party gets hung up on -- i think when ted cruz says we don't want to be the party of amnesty, a majoriy of the country believes in comprehensive immigration reform that gives peep a path to citizenship if they pay and so on. that's where a majority of the country, beyond which the hispanic community was completely alienated on the debate on immigration four years ago and will be again. >> donald trump hit upon this subject matter and this topic, i think, by accident. in his opening speech when he was launching his campaign, he called mexicans rapists and lo and behold, his numbers started going way, way up. so now more drastic the terms can be, the better in his book. i think the difference we're trying to draw between donald trump and ted cruz is really in
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the weeds. you are a former capitol hill staffer, but for most people out there, ted cruz, donald trump are anti-immigrant. jeb bush, john kasich, marco rubio, jeb bush, marco rubio have support legal status. i think that's how people understand it. >> cording to gallup midsummer was negative 51%. he's just incapable of growing the tent in a way that david correctly states is necessary for the republicans to win a general election. >> what do you say to that? >> hispanics aren't equally dispersed all around the country. there are a lot of hispanics in california. i'm not sure the republican party is going to carry california. where they are makes a different. >> colorado, florida, nevada. >> you also have to get your
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conservative base out. they didn't turn out for mitt romney. they didn't turn out for john mccain. >> they will turn -- wild horses could not keep conservatives from coming out to vote against hillary clinton. >> i heard that about barack obama. he's still there. >> this is interesting because this, it seems to me, is the debate the republican party has to have had. each election, the republican party has nominated a scepter right establishment republican at the end of the day, and they've lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 elections. you hear conservatives like ted cruz say we need a real conservative. >> right. that's what reagan used to say. >> maybe you guys have to run the experiment. >> how do you define what a real conservative is? >> i think the frustration that the republican primary voters have they are saying supporting
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before the break, we were having a good discussion about illegal immigration and how it's going to play in the general election with the hispanic vote. john king with some numbers on the subject. john? >> mr. axelrod is dead right when he says this is an issue that's hurt the republicans in a general election, but mr. trump is on the right ground, if you will, when it comes to the early states and the primaries. we show you this number earlier. when it comes to illegal imgriegs in the state of iowa, which votes first, donald trump, who says build a wall and deport those who are here undocumented has a 32-point lead among the other republicans in the state of iowa. he's in a dead heat with ben carson in the state, but he leads by 32 points on the issue
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of immigration. when he says throw them out and build a wall, he has strong support among republicans in iowa. so the question is, if you're somebody else, can you close the gap with donald trump. and the national polls if you look at the top five, trump and carson still up here. carson and trump pretty much on the same page, although trump is much more vocal on his immigration views. you want to get to marco rubio, he supports legal status. he once supported a path to citizenship. he's down here. so is jeb bush. ted cruz is down here as well. trump owns this issue when it comes right now. i just want to come to -- i showeds you the iowa numbers where trump leads on immigration. he's still on the top of the pack. jeb bush way down here. if you're thinking about, can you make up ground? one other state, maybe new hampshire, dints can vote. a recent poll had immigration ranked second in the issues there. if you talk to any of the campaigns they say how surprised they are it keeps coming up. an anti-amnesty republican argument. and again, trump is way ahead in
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new hampshire at the moment. nationally, he's pretty much tied with carson. you have to come down here, kasich argues for path to citizenship. orb status, i mean. bush down here, rubio as well. they're all way don here. carson is in second place in new hampshire. those making the case the republican party has to change its way, they have a lot of ground to make up. >> i just think there's different ways of looking at this issue. the democrats see the illegal immigration issue of appealing to hispanic voters are not. but republican primary voter, particularly in iowa and elsewhere, see so many more issues wrapped up into this debate. it is about rule of law. it is about our expansive welfare programs. it is about jobs.
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it is about national security and all wrapped into this sij issue of people come into the country illegally. there's more than one issue and republicans are talking about it. i think they should infuse all those elements into it. i think donald trump really was the first one to do it and jobs on the national stage. and you're going to see more of that. this is why republicans care so much about this issue. democrats are going to pretend that it's about hating hispanics. clearly it's not. >> 2/3 of the senate supporting it. it's hit right in the house. this bill was comprehensive in nature. both republicans and democrats, marco rubio had his hand prints on it before he took them off. senator graham still believes in this comprehensive approach. i think the democratic approach is the approach that most americans want us to choose. it's a threshold issue, but also a hateful issue. the way in which the republicans discuss illegal immigration or undocumented worker, tearing families apart, demonizing
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people, many of whom are working very hard to become citizens, that's why it's -- >> i don't know any republican campaigning on tearing families apart. there's much more support for stopping the flow of illegal immigration than tying that together with permanent legal status. >> the bottom line is there's no consensus in the republican party when it comes to immigration reform. >> there is a faction that feels very strongly against illegal immigration. there's a faction, that includes very powerful groups like the chamber of commerce, that includes, you know, a lot of evangelicals and christian voters that do up is port immigration reform. and also, i said election night 2012, mitt romney self-depart ported from the white house. unless donald trump and ted cruz find a way to make up those number, they can say bye-bye to 1600 pennsylvania avenue right now. they're going to wish they had the hispanic vote that romney got.
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if you're in a state like ohio, it's more about the african-american vote than it is the latino vote. >> the asian point is really interesting. in 2012, asian voters went 75% for barack obama. and a lot of it had to do with the reaction to the nativist rhetoric in the republican party. look, we've talked about this before. the republican party em panelled a group to look at their loss in 2012, do an autopsy. what they concluded was they had to be more forward leaning on immigration reform, that they had to reach out to younger voters that they had to reach out to women and avoid women, some of these women's health issue, planned parenthood, which was an issue last night. it seems like all the things that this document said the party shouldn't do, the party is doing. >> right, if i could say -- to me, this is an argument going on
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in the republican party. forget immigration for the last, what, 60, 80 years. this is mitt romney and george romney and nelson rockefeller. it's all about getting along and become sociable. >> this is the ted cruz argument that happened tonight. >> correct. and it's all tied in together. this is what's so frustrating for conservatives. you have republicans who are really not there. it's not just on immigration, it's on the economy, all these other issues and moving them left. >> it's not just an ideological debate. it's a demographic debate. i'm doing this from memory, but i'm pretty secure in the facts. george herbert walker bush got 59% of the white vote and it earned him 426 electoral votes. mitt romney got the exact same percentage of the white vote, 59%, and drew either 202 or 206, less than half.
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so that's what dependent on the white vote gets you in the modern era. >> the country is changing. one of the things marco rubio was talking tonight, and he got in a fight with rand paul about it, was the expansion of child tax credits. this was a big issue for rubio. he was very passionate in talking about it. he said family is the most important institution. we care about families. i want to do it. rand paul said how can you be a conservative and propose something like that that adds $1 trillion to the deficit. it's a $1 trillion expenditure. that argument is front and center, spending, how you spend your money, immigration. the debate laid it out there for republican voters. >> i give these candidates a lot of credit for sticking to their convicti
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convictions. there is a huge diversity of though in the republican party when it comes to a lot of policy issues. there's so, so many. i think that as voters we're getting the ability to see the stark contrast and what they're offering. >> a clash between rand paul and donald trump. things got heated. did they stick to the facts? a reality check ahead. . it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night. plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name,
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>> welcome back. the eight top republican presidential candidates faced off in milwaukee in their fourth debate. they covered a lot of ground from the minimum wage to taxes, trade deal. at times they clashed, disagreeing with each other forcefully. the question, when the debate heated up, did they stick with the facts? >> one of the hardest confrontations came when donald trump took exception to the transpacific partnership trade deal and rand paul took exception to donald trump. listen. >> the tpp is a horrible deal. it is a deal that is going to lead to nothing but trouble. it's a deal that was designed
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for china to come in, as they always do, through the backdoor and totally take advantage of everyone. >> gerrard, you know, we might want to point out that china is not part of this deal. true, that's true. >> china was very specifically left out of this deal. part of the plan here was that by leaving china out, it would blunt their ability to push around smaller nations with smaller economies. we were tempted to say what he said was just false but we're going to call it true but misleading because he did talk a little bit about currency manipulation in the fine print of his statement saying maybe it opens the door for that. what rand paul said was absolutely true in this exchange. you can find out more about this and many more of them by going to our website cnn.com reality check. you can get more there.
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one of the sharpest smackdowns of the night of course other than what you're hearing from your own panel there. >> reality check from the debate itself and how the moderators did. you'll recall at the last debate. he called tonight's debate elega elegant. talked to shawn spicer earlier, they seemed very well. >> the consensus here is even among fox's competitors, fox had a much better night than cnbc did. that's a low bar, let's be honest. there was a low bar set by the cnbc debate. the reviews were pretty unanimously bad temperature on the other hand tonight, what i'm hearing from some journalists is they wish there had been tougher questions and maybe there were too many softballs maybe they went a little too easy and didn't follow up enough. that all said, it made for a debate where we heard a lot from the candidates where we they had
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a lot of talk time. they all got at least nine minute, some 10, 11, 12, 13 minutes. the moderators let them speak. they didn't encourage too much actual back and forth. these were mostly interview-style question, but it was a success for fox business. the reviews will be mostly positive, i think, come morning. and certainly the campaign, the candidates and their aids are very happy with the way they were treated. >> it was interesting, brian. there were a number of opportunity where is it was very clear had the moderators wanted to, they could have turned -- one candidate could have said something and they could have turned to another candidate publicly on the record racing questions. for instance, they asked ben carson about his biography. had they wanted to, he could have gone to donald trump who has been critical raising questions to try to see if they were looking to kind of get a fight going. he could have easily done that and turned to donald trump.
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but they clearly made a decision, probably even before this began, they weren't going to do that. most likely because they wanted this to be a stark contrast to the cnbc debate. >> there is some personal drama here. one of the moderators who used to work at cnbc, roojer ales who runs fox used to run cnbc. there was a desire to show cnbc how to have a great debate. and by that standard, i think the fox folks feel very confident tonight. they feel like they had a very good night. i think as a reminder, these debates are for gop primary voters. the democrats watching are probably yelling at the tv becauthey want more follow-up and want tougher questions at certain  points. but for the primary voters, those voter, those viewers tend to be more happy with how it goes. they see their candidates being respected. these debates have extraordinarily high viewership, thanks to donald trump.
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i think that's a trend that's going to continue with this one. >> we're going to take another quick break. when we come back, i want to go to our panel for their final thoughts on the night. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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>> we haven't said too much about rand paul. i wouldn't call it a breakout moment, but i thought he had a good night tonight and i thought he was a chip off the old block. he really has not run in the shadow of his father who really has a cult like following. but he was much more the isolationist tonight and didn't push back when marco rubio called him such. i thought that was significant. >> i think the trend lines we' seen were going to continue. what struck me tonight about this debate is two candidates had messages that seemed strategic and thought through, that's rubio and cruz. i think they're going to continue to be factors in this race, bigger and bigger as time goes on. >> even though they're polling now, 12 or so%, you see them rising and you see trump and carson falling? >> that's the predicate. now, they've defied gravity for
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a long time here. >> i don't understand why would donald trump all of a sudden fall off the map. >> my question, jeffrey may have a better notion than this. i don't think if he -- i think he has a core and that core is probably about half of what he has now. that will never leave him. but is he going to be satisfied being second or third, losing primaries, losing caucuses? i don't think his gestalt allows for that. i think at some point he could leave the race if he doesn't continue to lead it. >> i think there's some warning stynes emerging in terms of marco rubio, not only on immigration reform, on this child tax credit as well. in terms of his debate presentati presentation, i think he's very good at talking points and making, you know, saying talking points out with a dwraet deal of conviction. but often times if you go back and read what he said, there's not much there.
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there's sort of mention of his family, there's a restatement of what the question was. ted cruz is a fantastic debater. i think if you get ted cruz and marco rubio on a debate stage, that would be something to see. >> i don't know where kasich goes now. i think kasich has a general election appeal, but within the republican party, he's fighting the fight he's always fought and he seems to be on the losing side of that. >> if it does come down to senator cruz and marco rubio, that would be an overwhelming victory for the grassroots movement in america which got these guys elected over the will of the washington establishment with the backing of people like my former boss ted cruz, the club for growth is people who have been fighting the republican washington machine for so long and that would represent a new era for the republican party. >> interesting. >> if you're going to have us up until 1:00 in the morning, you better give me something more
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than water in these cups. we're going to start to protest here. i think it was a very good debate, a substantial debate. i think republican rotors are getting an opportunity to see diverse policy proposals, diverse personalities on that stage. i think the lesser, the fewer candidate was an improvement. i think it was a good night for jeb bush because it was a make or break night for jeb bush. and he lives to fight another day. he needs to prove, he needs to build on this but now has a chance to do so. the road would have gotten way bumpier if he had not been able to deliver. >> my last thought is different from everybody else's. donald trump has made a big deal about veterans.
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much less with the people on the stage being able to do it it hadn't been for these folks. we owe them with a debt of thanks. >> 1 million veterans will benefit if we raise the wage. republicans fail to understand how important this issue is to average americans who need to have their wages lifted. tonight, he said 80% of the black youth are unemployed. that is not true. we're all grateful for that, to about 20%. it's still high. i doubt very seriously these young african-americans, male and female, want to work for a substandard age, as ben carson said. he needs to be vetted and he will be vetted. and one last thing, we talked a lot this elegant evening about a lot of thing, but we didn't talk about the improving economy you should president obama. i still want to give president obama and those 13 million jobs a shutout because i'm sitting
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next to these people. >> thank you for joining us. >> that does it. our debate coverage continues after this break. is that coffee?s yea, it's nespresso. i want in. ♪
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