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intense heated arguments in the presidential debate. they focused on policy, not personality, but who came out on top? >> good morning. i'm christine romans. >> it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. it is very early after a very late nit. it is the morning after in milwaukee. eight candidates walked on the main stage of the republican debate. who left with a limp? immigration, military intervention, even tax policy. the debate was filled with heated moments.
>> if putin wants to go and knock the [ bleep ] out of icircumstance i am all for it 100%. i can't believe anybody would be against it. hold on, wait a minute. they blew up a russian airplane. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this. we are not going to be the world policemen, but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. all i'm supging, we can't ship 11 million people out of this country. children would be terrified. >> it will not work. >> let me just -- it's an unbelievable company. worth billions an billions of dollars. i don't have to hear from this man. >> ronal reagan was strong. >> ronal reagan walked away. he quit talking when it was time to quit talking. >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? terrible. >> i'd like to finish my response, basically. >> why would you then bail out rip wall street banks but not
main street, not mom and pop. you just zbled i didn't say that. >> no to step in and became out the banks. >> all right. let's get much more on this, let's go to chief correspondent dana bash in milwaukee. >> reporter: john, christine the moderators promised it would be pristine on the issues that you talk about all the time on jobs the economy and fiscal policy and they delivered on that. but one of the issues that certainly has to do with is immigration. the difference is between the republican candidates on that. and so one of the most fascinating moments was when donald trump talked about his plan to get rid of all of the undocumented immigrants in this country and john kasich came back at him and just, that's just folt realistic. >> conon, folks, we all know you can't ship them up, put them
back across the border. it's not in the argument. it makes no sense. >> all i can say is you are lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. let me just tell you, that dwight eisenhower a good president, people liked him. i like ike, right, the expression, i like ike, moved a million-and-a-half illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. they came back. moved them beyond the border. they came back. didn't like it. moved them way south. they never came back. 2008 eisenhower. >> there were lots of other pointed exchanges between the candidates, for example, on foreign policy, rand paul who calls himself a form of isolationist. giving moreco rubio one of his best moments of the debate, giving him the opportunity to articulate why he thinks it's
important for the united states to have a powerful role in the world. but when it comes to marco rubio one thing missing from this debate that we certainly saw in the last one was the drama between jeb bush and marco rubio. they each stuck to what they wanted to talk, vis-a-vis policy, vis-a-vis their proels and their plans and actually pretended like the other wasn't even on the stage, john, christine. >> all right, thank you, helping us break down the winners and losers at this hour. jeremy dime, your headline. >> reporter: yes, well, marco wub rubio once again, takinging the cake it seems. i think he was a bit of a maestro last night hitting every note that he needed to. almost every candidate had a good moment last night you had marco rubio, of course, donald trump doing what he did the last time around, which was really
sticking to putting forward a more reserved that said, showing a little more presidential side. you had ted cruz also once again with a strong night. and jeb bush, you know, interestingly, all eyes were on jeb bush last night after he had a really tough performance in the cnbc debate. he did better. he improved for sure. but i think he was still probably upstaged by most of the other competitors on stage, notably, marco rubio, who had a much better night than he did. once again kind of establishing this contrast between the two former mentor and the other a former mentee. >> that perhaps, marco rubio is using the spotlight as the favorite as jeb bush is fading away, maybe. >> one person we haven't heard much yet this morning as we are recapping this is ben carson, he's out front in the polls. he's content to sort of sit back at the debates. if we have this one piece of
soup, he did briefly talk about how the media is asking so many questions about things he has said about his past. i want to play this one built of sound for ben carson. >> well, first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the 10th grade. i appreciate that. [ applause ] >> i'll just forget that follow-up. >> but the fact of the matter is, you know, what we -- we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem is is being lied about and then putting that out there as true. [ applause ] >> and i don't even mind that so much if they do it with everybody like people on the other side, but you know when i look at somebody like hillary clinton who sits there and tells
her daughter and a government official that, no, this was a terrorist attack, then tells everybody else it was a video. where i came from, they call that a lie. and owe [ applause ] >> that was a moment thattic nighted the crowd. probably the only moment from ben carson that got a rise. it is interesting he is ready to cede it to the other candidates. it doesn't seem to hurt his standings in the polls. >> after the last debate, jeb bush changed his campaign slogan to jeb can fix it, right, with a campaign reboot. for ben carson, it seems, if it ain't broke don't fix it. because he kind of stuck with the same script he had last time, which was, you know, stay calm, cool, checked. give his supporters the same ben carson that he is, which is kind of this mild mannered, you know, more reserved personality that seems to have gained some traction as he is challenging
donald trump for the front runner status in the republican primary. so ben carson really didn't need to do much. he sat back, relaxed, gave his voters a few moments. other than that, he didn't need to come out swinging. >> junior my, he had minutes, 22 seconds of air time, giving him the dead last of all of the candidates on that stage. >> perfect for ben carson. >> he used -- >> and the timing works out for me this morning. >> then look, we have george bush, you know, jeb bush, i've done that like ten times, mr. bush, governor bush, he came in second-to-last. tell me about his performance. he did better but it was not enough to really put him at these with the rest of them as a great debater. >> you know, he did better. he did manage to kind of elbow his way into the conversation at moments when he wasn't called on, which is something that he said last time he would work on. you know, he put a lot of work into improving this debate.
he hired a media coach, who helped him kind of improve his game for this debate. so he had a few of these moments, he would go in and fight with donald trump about his immigration plan, where he was questioning him on his foreign policy strategy. other than that, there were some moments he was trying to butt in, he kind of let back and gave if. and that kind of just needs into the continued questions about whether jeb bush has, you know, the energy, the verve to really carry forward and be the standard bearer for his party. i think he maybe staunched the bleeding a little bit as far as concerns are, you know, about his campaign, but he was certainly trying to move forward from it. i think he did it to a certain extent. >> you have 30 seconds left, jeremy, let's give that time to rand palm, who was more of a presence on the stage last night.
i think after three debates this fourth one, i think he figured out a exactly where he wants to be, which is where he began politically, to say i am not the republican candidate of military intervention. he made that case force flichlt it's no at case for everybody in the republican voting population. but there are voters who liked that four years ago and eight years ago with his father. >> yeah, listen. he certainly articulated his argument very well last night. we saw rand paul on stage. he had kind of been an insult presence in the previous debates. but lat night we saw him out there, he laid out the argument that there is certainly a segment of the republican voter base that agrees with him. the u.s. shouldn't be entangled in foreign conflicts and shouldn't be deploying troops on the ground. listen, rand palm will argue he's in the an isolationist. he wants to combat isis. he doesn't want boots on the ground.
we saw it embodied by marco rubio and jeb bush in the debate. that was an interesting contrast and certainly gave the republican voters a lot to think about. >> jeremy diamond, thank you for getting up with us. we will "the chew" over more of this over the next few hours. the u.s. tax code was up for debate. carley fiorina says the u.s. must get to a three-page tax code. >> we must cut our government down and hold it accountable. that's why we must take our government back. entrepreneur ship is crushed by a 73,000 page tax code. >> a report by tax professionals is more than 72,000 pages long, that includes the tax code plus thousands of pages of regulation, legal analysis and explanations. the tax code, the actual tax code is closer to 2700 pages, so the reality check on that fiorina claim is false. ted cruz follows the same theme.
>> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. >> the irs acknowledges there are nearly 4 million words t. king james bible has 800,000. so cruz is correct. >> there you go, each and every one of the words in the bible is better than the tax code as well. all right, one of the big questions about last night is about the people asking questions. i would say too many questions in these debates. it could be about us. but it has been. we'll break down how the moderators did. too tough, not tough enough? that's next.
one question hanging over last night's republican debate, would the fox business network do better than cnbc? cnbc had widespread jeers for its debate. last night the candidates at least seemed pretty happy. >> i thought it was great. i thought the moderators were elegant. i thought the questions were really, really on point.
>> so i think the moderators stuck to the issues. i think we each had time to make our point. >> i thought it was a good debate. i had more time to express my opinions. i had a few opinions i wanted to express. >> let's bring in our senior media correspondent. brian seltzer. >> hey, john, hey, christine, the reviews are in. they're positive for the fox network. better than they were for the cnbc debate d. moderators of the cnbc were almost universally criticized for the tone of their questions and letting the debate get out of control. on fox business, it was a more controlled debate. there were only a few times it seemed like the candidates took over. one of those times was when donald trump acted like a moderator. here's what he said about jeb bush. >> they moved a million-and-a-half people out. we have no choice. we have no choice. >> so you take them by name.
>> governor bush -- >> it was -- >> what happened to my question -- >> you have my back. >> governor i have a couple things here, first. >> you should let jeb speak. [ cheers ] >> so that was the most tweeted about moment of the fight t. second most commented moment was involving a debate about the tax code. there was a lot of stance at this debate. we will see how that translates to viewership. these debates have been incredibly high rated. i think largely to donald trump. we see 10 to 1520 million people watching the debates earlier this summer into the fall. this debate will get over 10 million viewers, which will mean the debate season is one of the biggest shows, they continue to draw in big audiences. john, christine, back to you. >> all right. thanks, brian. the obama administration will take the fight to the supreme court t. white house decision comes after an appeals panel upheld a texas federal
judge blocking the initiative to protect nearly 5 million undocumented imgra wants from deportation. 26 states challenged the obama plan legality. campus police are now investigating threats of violence made on certainly media. they say there is no active threat currently. police say security has been increased and the school is taking extra precautions. meantime, missouri communications professor mellissa click is apologizing now for trying to block media access to the campus protest. this online video you are watching here shows her confronting a student photographer and a cameraman, she is calling for muscle to have them removed. she has resigned a special courtesy appointment in the journalism school. that got a lot of attention, a few days earlier, she was asking for help covering what was happening there. >> a freedom of the press kind of is a selective issue. investigators are trying to figure out what caused a small
business jet to crash in akron, ohio, killing everyone on board. look at. that the twin engine plane went down close to the airport clipping electrical wires before hitting an aparamilitary complex. the owner says there were nine people on board. egypt now allowing the u.s. to help investigate that deadly russian plane crash. we are live with new developments next. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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they say egypt send an offer from the national transportation safety board t.ntsb team will assist in what brought down the russian jt liner from sharm el-sheikh. what's the latest here. where are with in this investigation? >> well, good morning, john, and the ntsb will be coming to egypt to look at the engine's, in particular. these engines were manufactured in the united states. they'll be looking to see if they were possibly reamed to the cause of this crash. the egyptians not ruling out anything at this point. but this will be crucial. the egyptian have said this is one of their theories, the ntsb will be able determine if it did or if it didn't happen but we are learning as well the hours between that crash happening and that information released, we are told all that information is locked down, also so no one can
tamper with the ctc footage of the scanners. the monitors at the airport. also, everyone was also interrogated. interviewed by state security here in egypt everyone from the person that handed him n. and the caterers, egypt not handling anybody. the predominant theory is it was a bomb that took down that plane. >> ian, thanks so much. republicans running for president. they face off on the economy. there were heated moments. we will tell you who came out on top. >> i like the fact that they're moving in a different direction. look at the move. zplmpblts
>> it is 31 minutes past the hour. the fox business debate was light on personal attacks, mud slingings, stronger on architect. on the substance, immigration. military intervention, tax policy. this debate was filled with heated moments. >> the putin wants to go and knock the bleep out of isis, i am all for it 100%. they blew up, hold it. wait a minute. they blew up are a russian airplane. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this. we will not be the world's policemen. we sure as heck better be the world leader. >> i'm suggesting we can't ship 1,100 people out of this country. >> it will not work. >> let's, an unbelievable company. worth billions and billions of
dollars. i don't have do hear from him. >> ronald reagan walked away. he quit talking. >> can i finish with my time? >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? >> yeah. >> terrible. >> i'd like to finish my response, basically. >> why would you then bail out rich wall street banks, not mom and pop, you just said. >> i didn't say that. >> no, to step in and became out a bank. >> for the latest. let's get to chief political correspondent dana bash in milwaukee. >> reporter: john, christine, the moderators promised it would be substantive. christine, on the issues that you talk about all the time on jobs, the economy, fis capital policy and they delivered on that. but one of the issues that certainly has to do with this but is something of great interest to the republican primary vote, is immigration and the differences between the republican candidates on that
one of the moments was when donald trump talked about getting rid of all the undocumented immigrants in this country. john kasich came back and said that's just fought realistic. >> come on, folks, we know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. >> ul i can say is you are lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower, good president, great president people liked him. . i like ike. the expression, i like quick, moved a million-and-a-half illegal immigrants howlett of this country just beyond the border. they came back didn't like it. moved them way south. they never came back. dwight eisenhower. >> reporter: there were lots of
other pointed exchanges, on foreign policy, rand paul calls himself a form of an isolationist. he gave marco rubio one of his best moments of the debate, giving him the opportunity to articulate why he thinks it is important for the united states to have a powerful role in the world. when it comes to marco rubio, one thing we saw in the last one was the drama between jeb bush and marco rubio. we didn't see them go after one another. they each stuck to what they wanted to talk about. vis have a i have their policy and proposal and plans and pretended like the other was not on the stage. >> dana bash. thank you for that. >> the winner is, let's discuss who was on top. jeremy diamond, live from our washington bur ro, jeremy, who do you think had the biggest
night? >> well, i think marco rubio had a great in a moment in every single answer. every question, he would pivot to his personal story which is the story of the american dream of being the son of immigrants, imgrant parents and kind of moving from, you know, low, you know, status to kind of coming in, becoming a senator and running for president now. he was able to kind of die that into every question, while also pivoting to attacking the democrats and you know overall just really hitting all of the right notes. >> it was interesting to me, jeremy, in addition to control and what message he would get involved. he was also able to dodge things complicated for him. there was an interesting exchange on immigration. marco rubio managed to stay
separate despite that may be something moderators could have or should have pushed him on. >> i think marco rubio vould could have had some tougher questions. not only did he not get questions, to have to address that immigration debate. he also didn't get any questions about his personal finances, which have recently been in headlines due to his use of a republican party of florida, american express card, which he used for personal charges so there were certainly a lot of questions he could have had to address. ben carson had to address the issue about his auto biography and that issue and marco rubio didn't him again, last, marco rubio was planned to answer those questions. i'm not sure how much of a difference. ben carson was mild mannered, typical enough, i guess what he kneaded to do.
>> absolute lit. just like jeb bush in the last debate, did terribly, ned to reboost his campaign. jeb can fix it slogan. ben carson's has been if it ain't broke, don't fix it. he didn't have to. he did the same thing, sticking to his personality and why voters have been resonating with him. which is his mild manners, more reser reserved style and he did address the issues in a way that resonates with a lot of folks. so ben carson didn't need to have any fireworks. he didn't need to take big shots at anybody and accomplish all of that while staying out or above the fray depending on which way you look at it. >> what about donald trump. he complained about carley fiorina butting in. it gao got booed. he cut kasich down, booed.n
>> his hand movements are interesting. >> it seems to me he gave his support, what they want to see, they already don't like donald trump is there i think so, too. i think there is a possibility he could have increased his appeal. aside from that real testy exchange with kasich. donald trump didn't give you the same druch that you sea on the campaign stump, which is to say that on the campaign stump, donald trump is constantly fired up. leveling personal barbs, whether it's ben carson who he didn't address last night. he didn't go after him at all. so it's really interesting to see him do that, attack ben carson, marco rubio. didn't call marco rubio a he - lightweight, frevenlths donald trump is focused on showing voters he is a serious
candidate. that is something he did and we will continue to do, which is an interesting change in tactic. >> what about rand palm, i think we seen something different than before. >> i think in the past debates, we have been wondering where rand paul has been. he hasn't had his breakout moments. last night-came out and represented the libertarian faction of the republican party. the non-interventionist faction of the republican party. which, you know, he presented those arguments of we shouldn't be entangled in foreign conflicts in a way that folks like marco rubio and jeb bush and others are arguing as far as putting boots on the ground in iraq to combat isis. >> he was clear. he said, how do you spend hundreds of billions on defense. in terms of a fiscally conservative principle. he really staked his claim on
that. >> he challenged marco rubio. le said, how can you be a conservative when you want to spends billions and billions on the u.s. military. he pointed out the u.s. spends more on the u.s. military, whatever the statistic he threw out there. he was definitely laying out that argument. i think he made an effective case last night. i think he was kind of overwhelmed. he is outside of the main stream of the republican party on that. which is really dominated be i that more hawkish neo-conservative foreign policy. >> we will talk to you very soon. so much to analyze, more to analyze in terms of the minimum wage. a democrats, pretty much united are trying to raise the minimum wage. donald trump, ben carson, marco rubio said they would not want to raise the minimum wage. carson said a higher minimum wage would kill jobs. >> every time we raise the
minimum wage the jobless people increases. it's typically a problem in the black community. only 19.8% of plaque teenagers have a job. they're looking for one. >> he said if you keep raising the minimum wage, a plaque teenager will have less of an opportunity to get that job. let's see that claim jobs lost when you raise the minimum wage. in 1997, the minimum wage rose, unemployment fjellstedtly each month for several years. it has happened at other times as well in fine 50, in 1961, '67, '78 and phoenix. so the reality check on that with cnn, that is false. also only 20% of african-americans age 16 to 19 have a job. >> that is a number that is frankly too low. it does not mean 80% of them are unemployed. many are in school and not looking. if you are not looking for a job. you are not considered unemployed. the unemployment rate for that
age bracket 28.68%. not what protesters were looking to hear. the fight for $15 is around the country. health care workers are rallying for higher wages. new york's democratic governor andrew cuomo announced a $15 minimum wage for all state workers. which is interesting there. there is this move across the country for higher minimum wages. there is a big debate. many of the candidates would like to see a higher minimum wage. >> at lo of people being judged. not the candidates, but folks who ran the debate. how did they do? we'll break it down next.
specifically the people asking them. the host after cnbc was bashed by republican officials last time around. last night the candidates, at least, they seem pretty happy. >> i thought it was great. i thought the moderators were elegant. i thought the questions were really, really on point. >> i think the moderators stuck to the issues. we each had time to make our debate. >> i thought it was a food debate. i had more time. i had a few more opinions i wanted to express. >> brian in milwaukee. >> hey, john, hey, christine, the reviews are in. they're positive for the fox business network. definitely a lot more positive two weeks ago. the moderators of the cnbc debate were almost universally criticized for the tone of their questions and letting the debate get out of control. what we saw from the moderators on fox business, it was a more controlled debate. there were only a few times it
seems like the candidates took over. one of those times was when donald trump, himself, acted like a pod rater. here's what he said about jeb bush. >> they moved a million-and-a-half people out. we have no choice. we have no choice. >> what about to my questions? >> governor, a couple things here. first of all --? you should let jeb speak. >> no, it's unfair. >> so that was the most tweeted about moment of the night t. second most commented moment was actually involving a debate about the tax code. there was a lot of substance at this debate. we'll see how that dranz lates to viewership. these debates have been incredibly high rated. i think largely to donald trump. we seen 10 to 1520 million people watching the debates earlier this summer. into the fall. this will get at least over 10 million viewers. which will mean the debate season remains one of the
biggest shows on all of television. entertainment, sports, feuds, these debates continue to draw in minute ago audiences. back to you. >> brian, thanks for that. . the obama administration will take the fight over the immigration reform plan to the supreme court. it comes after an appeals panel upheld an injunction by a detection federal judge blocking president obama's initiatives that would protect nearly 15 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. 26 states have challenged the legality of the obama plan. the university of missouri campus on edge. campus police now investigating threats of violence made on social media. they say there is no active threat at this point. police security has been increased t. school is taking extra precautions. missouri communications professor mellissa click. she apology joidzed for trying to block media access to a campus protest. this online video shows her confronting a student photographer and a cameraman calling for muscle to have him
removed. she has resigned, a special courtesy appointment to the journalism school. investigators are trying to figure out what xaused a small business jet to crash in akron, ohio. the twin engine plane went down. it clipped electrical wushsz before crashing into an apartment complex. authorities have not confirmed the number killed on the plane t. owner says there were nine people on board. donald trump pointing to one great president. a great president he says who deported illegal immigrants. the hard truth trump failed to mention that went along with that deportation next. .
u.s. verdicts, u.s. investigators are now standing by traying to figure out what caused plet tro flight 9268 to crash in the sinai desert. egypt accepted an offer of help from the national transportation safety board. the ntsb team will assist if determining what brought down that russian jet. let's get the latest from sharm el-sheikh. ian lee is there. good morning, ian. >> reporter: good morning. yes, the ntsb is going to be analyzing parts of that jet, sprefl the engine which is made in the united states, to determine if that could have been a part of the cause that brought down this jet. right now egyptian officials fought ruling out potential calls, although the predominant theory is it was a bomb that took down this jet. the fbi could also be a part of this team that comes over here
and one area, specifically, they can help out with is an lieding that loud sound in the final moments of that plane crash. we are not hearing if they will be an leadsing that. also, we are hearing that egypt is stepping up security at the airports. they have new scanners in places right now to scan the luggage before it goes on to planes. i am hearing about the moments that took place, right when the plane crash, be every they released that information to the public a. source at the airport told me they seized all the information pertaining to the flight the cttv cameras, sensor, all information, so that it couldn't be tampered with. is that it could be investigated. everyone involved in that plane from the person that checked them in to the caterer. they all have been interviewed by state security here individually so they can use that information in this investigation mg we are hearing
that parts of this lane could be taken to cairo, to reproduce that plane, put it together and to continue this investigation. >> the klain of custody of what was where at one point. >> that would be crucial. thank you so much tmts crisis in syria start saturday in vienna. several media outlets obtained an 8-point proposal, calling for an 18 month reform period followed by early presidential elections. it does not rule out president assad's participation in the election. russia's foreign ministry is denying that plan even exists. six u.s. fighters jets are headed to they. a slower u.s. attack planes were hitting syria. the c-jets will cover a cargo plane and iced to deter russian
aggression 50 u.s. special operations troops are also being sent to the region. >> let's an early start on your money. anheuser-busch finalized their deal to buy miller. bud miller have annual sales of $55 billion. cnn reality check on an immigration claim last night in the debate. donald trump noted one great president, dwight eisenhower deported illegal immigrants just as trump would if he is elected. >> moved a million-and-a-half illegal immigrants out of this country. moved them just beyond the border. they came back. moved them again, beyond the border. they came back. didn't like it. moved them way south. they never came back.
>>ize iceisenhowers program was called deep wetback t. temporary contracts were not renewed . the exact number of people deported is unclear. one debail tail the transfer process was widely criticized as inhumane, some people were dropped off without resources in the desert. sometime people died from heat stroke. others drowned in transports from overloaded ships t. cnn reality check, trump's claim is true but misleading. >> all right. "early start" continues right no now. a big moment for republicans with some big argumentings on the debate stage. who won? who lost? who came out looking better than before? we'll discuss it all. good morning, everyone, welcome to "early start." i'm john berman.
>> you look the same as yesterday. i'm christine romans. it is wednesday, november 11th. it's 5:00 a.m. in the east. last night, it was a different kind of a republican debate t. fox business debate was light on personal attacks and on fame calling, mud slinging. i would say smaller on substantive, military intervention, tax policy t. debate was still a heated moment. >> if putin wants to go and knock the [ bleep ] out of isis, i am all for it. i can't see how anybody would be against it. wait a minute. they blew up a russian airplane. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this, we will not be the world policemen. we sure as heck better be the world's leader. >> all i'm suggesting, we can't ship 11 million people out of this country. children will be terrified. >> it will not work. >> you had a good. let me just --