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the attention and then getting it to the best organizations that are trying to fix that. >> they were all great last night and all for the cause. the red carpet is all wounded warriors. >> great event. thanks for sharing it with us. >> and here east carol costello in newsroom. >> newsroom starts now. happening now in the newsroom, wages. >> welders make more money than philosophers. >> immigration. >> we need borders. we will have a wall. the wall will be built. the wall will be successful. >> america's role in the world. >> we are not going to be world's policemen.
but we sure as heck better be the leader. >> the gop candidates back on the trail this morning. also, american investigators called in to figure out what happened in the metro jet crash. as sources reveal new specifics about who may have planted that bomb and how it works. plus -- >> you need to get out. >> i actually don't. >> hey who wants to help me get this reporter out of here. >> a journalism professor blocking a student reporter from covering a protest at mizzou. now her job is on the line. let's talk live in the cnn newsroom. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. marco rubio and ted cruz stand out and donald trump scales back. the candidates throwing punches of policy during the gop debate last night. one of the biggest targets? hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton has said that barack obama's policies get an
a. really? 1 in 10 people right now aren't working or have given up all together as you said. that is not an a. when the fall comes and we run against hillary, it will be a disaster if she got elected. >> and around the world every day brings news of knew humiliation for for america. many the direct consequence of decisions made when hillary clinton was the secretary of state. >> hillary clinton clearly unfazed by a tweeting quote, times republicans offered ideas if for middle class? zero. and even though there were few candidates on stage there were plenty of fireworks with immigration, national security and raising the minimum wage. ♪ >> every time we raise the
minimum wage, the number of jobless increases. >> if you raise the minimum wage you are going to make people more expensive than a machine. >> i would like the comment. >> you have already made two comments john. it is my turn. >> we have more questions for you -- >> i got about four minutes last night. i'm going to get my question right now. >> are you worried your campaign, which you have always said is bigger than you is now being hurt by you? >> first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. >> you should let jeb speak -- >> we have grown -- >> no listen. >> thank you donald for allowing me to speak at the debate. that is really nice. >> it took the telephone years to reach a hundred million
users. it took candy crush one year. >> the secret sauce of america is innovation and entrepreneurship. >> he's a committed isolationist. i'm not. >> marco, how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure to the federal government -- >> back to the question what weerl dealing with in iraq. when we pull back voids are filled. >> if putin wants to two in and i got to know him very well because we were both on 60 minutes. we were stable mates and we did very well that night. you know that. but if he wants to go and knock the hell out of isis i am all for it 100 percent. >> >> by all means it was a riveting debate. business issues can be -- can be riveting. >> and while many pundits agree
rubio and cruz shined on stage, donald trump thinks he's the big winner, tweeting this. love doing the debate. amazing evening. moderators did an outstanding job. today trump is back on the campaign trail this time in new hampshire to have breakfast with voters. moments ago he weighed in on the debate. >> eight people on the stage, which is nice. you know we had ten. he started off with 17. and one by one by one they are disappearing. disappearing. it is a beautiful thing to watch as they go out. oh i love it. every day another one goes out. lots of problems, right? the biggest problem is they don't get the votes. >> okay. so let's bring in cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny, he's on the campaign trail in new hampshire. i'm also joined by dana bash,
she was at last night's debate. what was the mood like in that room? it aid period the moderators didn't ask very challenging questions. >> well i think and obviously that depends on who you are talking about. to me one of the most fascinating divides that was on display last night was on the issue of immigration. and, you know, you heard donald trump and john kasich really get into it on whether or not it is feasible to take the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants and take them out of country and deport them. and so they were going back and forth on that. and i asked kasich about it in the spin room afterwards. listen to what he said. >> i just want to start by asking you about your moment with donald trump. you were clearly itching to get in and talk about the fact that you believe that his idea of deporting the undocumented immigrants is pie in the sky. >> well we're not going to go and round people up, 11 million
people and drag them out of their homes and ship them across the border. it is an absurd thought. and it is those kind of things really that frankly would give hillary a great chance to be able to win. i think we are going to start to see them backing off. >> and carol, one of the reasons why i think that was a very telling moment and exchange is because it wasn't just between john kasich and donald trump. jeb bush got in it, effectively echoing kasich saying, you know, hillary clinton and her campaign are doing high fives because the more the republican party talks about deporting illegal immigrants, the more hispanic voters go to the democratic side. and you heard ted cruz say it is adjust the opposite. our problem is we don't stick to principles. it was a classic case of divide within the party and the field carol. >> jeff zeleny, donald trump said he was the big winner last
night. was he? >> carol he's speaking behind me right at the politics and eggs event. a traditional new hampshire event. but i can tell you this is trump-sized. some 650 people here at least. he received a little bit into the background last night during the debate. but not today. he's taking a the confident victory lap. he's relishing the fact his rivals are disappearing one by one. i think we'll see donald trump as we saw before the debate. unplugged and eager to go after his rivals. when you talk to voters they are still largely undecided. at least a lot are undecided. so many to pick from here. but between now and the next debate, the cnn debate on december 15th. they are going to continue to wither their choices. trump will be flying to iowa tomorrow and continuing a the aggressive campaign schedule.
>> thanks. it was a polished performance for senator ted cruz. some of the most memorable moments when he talked about the u.s. tax code and his position on immigration. >> the current system isn't fair. washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. every one of them reflects a carve out or a subsidy and it is all about empowering the washington cartel. i understand when the mainstream media covers immigration it doesn't often see it as an economic issue. if a bunch of people with journalism agrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. and i will say for those of white house believe people augmeought to come that this country legally and we should enforce
the law. we're tired of being told it is antiimmigrant. it is offensive. >> joining me to talk about this rick tyler. thank you so much for being here. >> good morning. >> need i ask who you thought won the debate? >> i think senator cruz had a wonderful night and i clearly think he won the debate. and there was really a dividing line between those who had their policy chops and those who didn't. and i is have to say it wasn't the front runner. ted cruz stood out among the candidates who few his stuff about immigration, about taxation, growing the economy, creating jobs. anything they threw at him he had the answers. >> let's talk about that. ben carson didn't exactly give riveting answers when asked about the economy or foreign policy. why did no one challenge him on that? >> well you would have to ask the moderators that. we were just pleased every time
cruz got an opportunity to speak the people could see he understood what he's talking about on immigration. he's in line with the party and that is to secure the boarder and follow the law. he's in line with the republican party who wants to grow jobs and grow the economy and how you do that. >> i'm just curious i want to go back to ben carson just a minute. he spoke only nine minutes. he was pretty quiet. again, is it -- is it too politically dangerous to attack ben carson or to even challenge him on things that he says that don't make sense? >> well senator cruz has attacked no one during this race. what he's tried to do is to put forth his policies and what he believes should be done. and people can see the contrast. they can understand. what the republican party wants san outsider. they are tired of politicians who don't keep promises and there is really only one original outsider if you will on the stage who's gone to
washington and stood up against the washington cartel and democrats and actually stood up against his own party on issues from obamacare to gun control and that is senator ted cruz. everybody else can say they will be an outside -- >> i think -- [inaudible]. -- i agree to a large extent. and i wanted to ask you about that. because senator cruz is even a pariah among senate republicans. thai actually refuse to work with him. and that is great for his outsider cred. but if he can't work with republicans or democrats, how can he effectively be president? >> actually it is not true. if you look at senator cruz, senator cruz gets along with everybody. show me the clip. show many the quote where he has attacked his colleagues. it doesn't exist. >> it's well known rick that senate republicans, traditional republicans are not so much into ted cruz. they are upset at him. >> well you know why, because they like things the way they
are. they like the power have p and the lobbyists to fund the campaigns. they don't want go back to the districts and work hard and get the vote. they actually just want a check from k street. >> going back to my original question if he can't get along with his -- >> but he does get along -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> a couple of things. one it is actually the opposite. when there is -- he's disrupting the system so why wouldn't be that be the story? -- it should be the people destroying the country don't get along with the guy who wants to fix it. and by the way, presidents, right, presidents have enormous power. or look at the leadership. newt gingrich. nobody wanted rfr -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> he worked with the democrat. >> no what he did was he worked with the country and the country decided welfare was bad for people. and so the democrats had no choice. they didn't say oh boy let's reform welfare. they had no reason do that.
remember president clinton vetoed welfare reform and the budget and eventually caved in. why? because the american people said if you don't do it we're going to give the republicans overwhelming majority and eventually they did that and did it again so we got the first republican magenta. >> i just want to ask one last question. you said presidents have a lot of power. does that mean ted cruz would be into issuing lots of executive orders? >> i think what the -- a president cruz would do immediately is rescind all the unconstitutioniz unconstitutionalized that this -- when people elect the president they are giving the president a amanmandate and tel the congress to work with this person we elected. so he goes out to the country all across the country and getting people behind his
campaign. they are sending a direct message to washington. what we don't need is a president who goes in there and marginally manage the decay. we need a president to go in and change the system. and ted cruz will do that. >> rick tiler. thanks for stopping by. >> thanks so much. >> you are welcome. no one was more ecstatic about the debate than the republican national committee. reince priebus tweeting and that cnbc is how you run a debate. donald trump called the moderators elegant. and why not? the questions were markedly tamer than the first debate. example. listen to megyn kelly's to the trump in the first debate and then listen to cavuto's questions of carson in the second debate. >> one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and don't use a politician's filter. however that is not without its downside. in particular when it comes to women. you have called women fat pig,
dogs, and disgusting animals. your -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no it wasn't -- >> what i say is what i say. and honestly megyn, if you don't like it, i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could probably not be basised on the way you have treeded me but i wouldn't do that. >> you -- obsessed with inconsistencies and the potential exaggerations in your life story but looked the othe way when it came to then senator barack obama's. still, as a candidate who's brand has always been trust, are you worried your campaign, which you have always said sir, is bigger than you, is now being hurt by you? >> well first of all thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> i'll just forget that follow-up then. [ laughter ]
>> all righty. as frank rich, the executive producer of the tv show veep tweeted, fox business's debate innovation, ask questions that allow candidates to give their stump speeches without fear of any follow-up questions. welcome brian stelter. good morning. >> do you think the moderators gave the candidates a pass? >> there were moments i was desperate for follow ups. i think a lot of viewers were as well. this is the press filing room for the dbtd and there were some in the room feeling the questions were too soft. maybe fox was going too easy. but fox did want to draw a clear contrast to the cnbc debate which was much maligned. and i think they succeeded. and i how to the former bush/cheney 2004 campaign strategist say on twitter he is hoping there will be a gold gold
lockes debate coming up. and the next is on cnn in about five weeks so there will be another chance for more questions. there were a number of solubl s softballs. i think you played one from cavuto. but there were also pointed questions. and the one thing i'd like to see in future debates is something cnn does do. put the questions on the bottom of the screen. because that way it is easier to notice when the candidates are evading answering. you know? >> excellent idea. on this veterans day there will be parades and ceremonies across america honoring the nation's service members. in a few hours president obama will visit arlington national ceremo cemetery and take part in the laying of the wreath. still to come, actions speak louder than words were decoding the debate night body language to find out who came out on top.
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the candidates are four debates in. and at this point in the race their stump speeches and rallying cries are battle tested but there is still room for a surprise every now and again. watch marco rubio's face has he gets a big reception to a line about welders. >> make higher education faster and easier to access especially vocational training. for the life of me i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make mur amine than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> i'm joined by body language expert and author of the power of body language tonya rimen. >> that was the first time you see an actual genuine look. his eyebrows went up. he put on this genuine smile.
and in addition he stuck his tongue out a little bit as well. like he was thrilled. like a little kid, ooh yeah. the funniest part was right after that was trump's expression was one of like seriously? he's getting applause. >> the next one is let's watch ben carson as he talked about his tax plan. and you way watch his palms. >> watch his palms. >> when i say titling i'm talking about the concept of proportionality. everybody should say the pay proportion of what they make. >> okay. so we can't see his palms but woe get the idea. what are we to make of that. >> we know people who use downward palms are quite often seen as more dominate. when you make a point this is what i'm trying to tell you as opposed to do you understand? she the submissive versus the more dominate gesture.
today -- last night i saw him using a lot of palm down gestures and i thought wow he's learning the difference. then he starts talking here and notice the palms go back up and. that tells you not that he's being honest but maybe more so he doesn't know a hundred percent about this so he starts to hey let me make sure you understand what i'm trying to say. >> interesting. we're going to governor cakasic and he's listening as donald trump talks. >> this is good. >> -- body language. >> look at libya. iraq, the mess we have after spending 2 trillion dollars. thousands of lives. wounded warriors all over the place, who i love. all over. and i say keep the oil. and we should have kept the oil, believe me. we should have kept the oil and do you know what? we should have been -- >> did you see?
there were two things. if you watched his mouth you saw actually anger. there was one he's leaning against the podium and his hands are fidgeting like grabbing on to it. so actual anger. frustration in the mouth but saw and then anger in the hands. and actually it is also frustration leaking out like when is it going to be my turn to speak? how come i'm not getting an opportunity? and these two have a really tough time working together. when they talk it is ugly. >> and kind of enjoyable in a way. so let's watch donald trump while carly fiorina talks. he does this little thing with his face and his tongue. watch. >> mr. trump ought to know that we should not speak to people from a position of weakness. senator paul should know that as well. one of the reasons i've said ie would not be talking to vladimir putin right now -- although i have met him as well not in a green room for a show but in a
private meeting. >> okay. so we saw the -- just appeared to me like he was wetting his lips. >> quite often that is a sign of disgust. if you think how a child sticks out his tongues. that is what we see quite often here. are there times they are just licking lips? yeah. at this point you know he's automatically over the top anyway so he doesn't care what he exposes. so why not discuss it as well. >> yeah testifithanks for stopp. still to come the u.s. will soon be playing a larger role in the investigation of the doomed russian airliner. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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officials confirmed that u.s. investigators could soon look at physical evidence from the russian jet crash. the ntsb has received word egypt accepted its offer to assist in the probe. in the meantime egyptian authorities are revealing they investigated everyone involved with the aircraft and took control of all cameras and sensors at the airport before announcing that the plane had crashed. all of this as u.s. officials say jihadists most likely planted a bomb with timer on board the plane. cnn correspondent barbara starr has more on the angle. good morning. >> good morning. even the british foreign secretary saying now he's not sure there is anybody left around who doesn't believe this plane was likely brought down by a bomb. now what we do know is that while the u.s. doesn't have access yet to that physical evidence, they hope the national transportation safety board investigators will be able to
see some of it. still they have what you might call a working theory based on what they do know and what they have made some assumptions about. a working theory about what happened to the plane. it goes something like this according to officials. a timer possibly with more -- preset for an hour or more put on board the plane by someone on the ground. the most likely scenario they believe at this point some type of explosive similar, if not exactly c4 military great plastic explosive. it can be used in very small amounts. very powerful. it can be molded. relatively unnoticed perhaps. timer stuck in the device. some kind of detonator and placed on board by perhaps someone with a ground crew. they are also telling us u.s. officials based on intercepts they got after the event they don't at this point think it was
ordered by isis leadership in syria. they do think it was self contained to the sinai most likely. and then those who carried it out bragged back to that isis leadership. but it doesn't look to them right now like this was an attack ordered directly by isis leaders. carol? >> barbara starr live from the pentagon. thank you. the focus may have been on the economy last night at the debate but it was foreign policy that appeared to take center stage at times and while candidates touted their credentials, the answer by dr. ben carson left many people scratching their heads. >> do you support the president's decision to now put fifty special ops forces in syria and leave 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan? >> well, putting the special ops people in there is berttter tha
not having them there. that is why they are called ops, they are able to guide some of the things we are doing there. and what we have to recognize is that putin is really trying to spread his influence throughout the middle east. this is going to be his base and we have to oppose him there in an effective way. we also have to recognize it is complex there. the chinese are there as well as the russians and you have all kinds of factions there. >> let's talk about that answer. i'm joined by cnn political analyst and editor in chief of the daily beast. and hill contributor and ben carson supporter. welcome both of you. so do you wish your candidate had explained that a little better? >> well what we see in this debate yesterday, which i think was the best performance that dr. ben carson has ever given in any of the four debates, is he
does have a grasp on issues when it comes to foreign policy. what i believe he gave -- >> you think that answer showed he has a grasp on foreign policy? >> he agreed with the president's idea or rather solution to send fifty special ops into syria. and i know a number of people also agree with that. i know that there were some things that he didn't address within his answer like afghanistan. but overall he is not a foreign policy wonk as we've seen with a number of candidates on the stage. furthermore there is an economy-based debate. so for what he did provide us showed he's grown from a number of gaffes which we've seen him give in terms of foreign policy previously. >> so john, i was just confused when he mentioned the chinese were there but i don't know what he meant by there? in syria? because they are not there. >> they are not there military.
i will -- militarily. it was a convoluted answers. i appreciate the communication he was in fact supporting the president's decision but there is also the communication of getting much more involved taking out the caliphate which he said could be easy from a base in iraq that. sounds like a lot more ground troops and possibly escalation of air strikes but it was not a coherent answer. i don't think a supporter could spin that. >> so i'd like to address that gianno because it is just hanging out there. go ahead and defend your candidate. >> there are reports, unconfirmed though, that the chinese are in that area. so yeah that wasn't probably the best response he could have been given in terms of that. but as i said, you know, you have a number of different candidates on the stage that actually are senators, u.s. senators. they work in this area. they are involved in foreign policy issues regularly.
he has absolutely grown from his previous positions on foreign policy. and i know that he has a military advisor that is advising him on the issues. we are not going to see a perfect response every time from dr. ben carson when it comes to foreign policy issues. he is still growing in that particular area. and i think for what he did give, he gave something that was substantive that we can take and he can grow a bit more in terms of his response and knowledge on foreign policy issues. >> so john you were -- i could hear you in the background. >> well i appreciate -- i appreciate the lowering the bar for his candidate. and i appreciate the fact that his supporter saying that dr. carsn't doesn't have a lot of experience in foreign affairs. the problem is that ends up being primarily what a president does and i think grading on a curve isn't the way the world works. >> and that may be a fair statement but as you know when it comes to folks that are actually in these environments you are a u.s. senator or you
are a president you get a whole lot more information and more people advising you on a regular basis when it comes to these foreign policy issues. he does not have a that but he is growing in his base of knowledge so he can put out these foreign policy plans that would be beneficial to the country as a whole. so it is not lowering the barr as you suggested. there are other folks with more resources that can speak on these issues than he has currently. >> you are lowering the bar for your candidate based on lack of experience. that is okay. i think it is very honest but that is explicitly what you are doing. >> i disagree with you. >> okay. so let's move on to another topic, gentlemen. donald trump and carly fiorina brought up president putin. let's listen to that exchange. >> as far as the ukraine is concerned and you could say syria. as far as syria i like -- if putin wanteds to go in -- and i got to know him well because we were both often "60 minutes."
and we did very well that night. >> one of the reasons i said i would not be talking to putin right now although i have met him as womeell. >> okay. so john that is a good comeback by carly fiorina. >> yeah there are two problems with that. first carly fiorina did meet vladomir put in in a green room at the an apec conference. it was not for a show but she in fact did meet him very briefly in a green room. the second problem is that 60 minutes isn't exactly a live show where people hang out and have drinks before they all go on stage together. trump and putin were on different continents at the time they were filmed. but, you know, we can judge the sound bites absent the substances. that is obviously the game the candidates love to play anyway. >> last question, i promise. who do you think won the debate? i'm just curious. >> who do i think won the
debate? there were several winners. i thought it was dr. ben carson's strongest debate by far. i think marco rubio did very well. i think ted cruz did well when it came to talking about immigration and woving his personal story into that. i think one of the losers was john kasich. i thought there is no way he can win a republican primary. thought he had a better shot of beating hillary clinton if he goes and runs as a democrat. >> all right. i have to leave it there. >> the rhino hunting just doesn't stop. but look, rand paul had a strong debate. rubio had a strong debate and christie crushed the undercard. >> no question. >> i got to leave it there guys. i do. sorry. thank you for being here. still to come in the newsroom. did the fbi just stop a potential race war?
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virginia who the fbi says plotted to kill businessmen and then use the money to create a race war. they planned on shooting or bombing black churches and synagogues. these two men allegedly met with an undercover agent who was acting as an illegal arms dealer and placed orders for automatic weapons, explosives and a pistol with a silencer. when these men allegedly attempted to buy the weapons is when the fbi made the arrest earlier in the week and here is a what a neighbor says about the raid. >> they were just completely going in hef duty, like military style. it was nuts. seven people in all handcuffed from what i saw. but i read report it was only two. i guess they had to detain everybody to make sure the whole situation was clear. one of them had some scary-looking tattoos and you could tell something was a little -- a little odd.
>> and the fbi says through confidential sources, wiretaps and surveillance these men we are concocting to kill a jeweler as well to purchase land, stockpile weapons and train for the upcoming race war. another man arrest forward conspiracy to commit robbery. the details are especially alarming in the wake of the killings of nine black church members in charleston south carolina by dillon roof. i spoke to one who says that type of chatter is common about white supremacist groups the fbi keeps tabs on. in this particular case these men were a long way away from actually targeting facilities but of course they didn't want to take any chances here. >> pamela brown live from washington. thank you. still to come an arrest over threats to the university o missouri campus. and a professor is in trouble for trying to stop student reporters. can a business have a mind?
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police at the university of missouri say one person is in custody for allegedly making multiple threats to the school and students. security is back to normal this morning, but the campus is still on edge following a rash of threats and rumors on social media. one anonymous person writing, quote, i'm going to stand my ground tomorrow and shoot every black person i see. in the meantime, a communications professor, a journalism professor, has apologized for her actions during a campus protest that brought down the school's president and chancellor. she is still on her job, but she did resign from an honorary post
in the journalism department. cnn's kyung lah has more on who she is. >> back off! back off! go! >> don't push me. >> reporter: a confrontation between students and a student photographer. >> the same person that protects you is standing here. >> reporter: till the photographer shooting the video walks up to this woman. >> you need to get out. >> i actually don't. >> all right. hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here! i need some muscle over here! >> reporter: that woman calling for muscle is assistant professor melissa click at the university's kpukzs school. she pushes the student photographer, covers his lens, and mocks him. >> this is public property. >> i know, that's a really good one. i'm a communication faculty and i really get that argument, but you need to go. >> reporter: directing students to form a human chain to block the journalist from doing their job.
>> don't let those reporters in. if you've got a -- he's a good one. good one. good job. >> reporter: we went to professor click's office to ask, why would a mass media communications instructor want to stop the media? she wasn't there. but this flyer expresses her opinion about traditional media. the communications school says it can't comment about personnel but says intimidation is never an acceptable form of communication. >> kyung lah reporting, thanks so much. melissa click, by the way, did release a written apology saying, quote, i regret the language and strategies i used and sincerely apologize to the campus and journalists at large for my behavior. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break. [announcer] if the most challenging part of your day
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. today is veterans day. and one hour from now, president obama will visit the tomb of the unknowns, taking part in the traditional wreath-laying ceremony there to honor those who have served our country. he'll also give a speech, pushing congress for broad new legislation and reforms to benefit veterans. all right. on to politics and the big debate last night. marco rubio and ted cruz stand out and donald trump scales back. the candidates throwing plenty of punches on policy. one of the biggest targets, hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton has said that barack obama's policies get an "a." really? one in ten people right now aren't working or have given up altogether, as you said. that's not an "a." >> when the fall comes and we run against hillary which would be a disaster if she got elected. >> bernie sanders and hillary clinton won't tell you that that's the thing that's really
hurting the middle class. >> around the world every day brings new humiliation for america. many the direct consequence of decisions made when hillary clinton was the secretary of state. >> clinton clearly unfazed by it all, tweeting, quote, times republicans offer helpful ideas for the middle class, 0. times republicans attacked hillary, we lost count. there were still plenty of fireworks when it came to issues like immigration and national security. joining me to talk about all of this, cnn political guru john berman. good morning. >> thank you so much. you know, after every debate, every campaign always says we won! we won! they say that no matter what. i think this morning, though, each campaign thinks it actually achieved what it wanted to, drawing distinctions on key issues, fault lines on issues like immigration and foreign policy. >> reporter: fewer candidates on
stage, yes. more policy, maybe. less tension, not a chance. >> come on, folks. we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across -- back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. it makes no sense. >> reporter: john kasich blasting donald trump's building-a-wall immigration plan. donald trump blasting back. >> let me just -- >> built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars. i don't have to hear from this man, believe me. >> reporter: immigration was a central topic. jeb bush worried about a mass deportation message. >> they're doing high fives in the clinton campaign right now when they hear this. >> reporter: ted cruz disagreed. >> if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. >> reporter: foreign policy also a flash point between candidates including a rand paul sighting. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. >> how is it conservative to add
a trillion-dollar expenditure for the federal government that you're not paying for? >> reporter: the kentucky senator not a big factor in previous debates had a no-love-lost exchange with marco rubio. >> i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> i do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court. >> reporter: jeb bush had admitted he had to show up big, and he was certainly a bigger presence than before. >> thank you, donald, for allowing me to speak. that's really nice of you. i really appreciate that. >> reporter: he butted heads with donald trump on isis. >> if putin wants to go and knock the hell out of isis, i am all for it 100%. >> donald is wrong on this. he is absolutely wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policemen, but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. >> reporter: ben carson out front in some polls continued to seem content to sit back on the debate stage. though he did reference recent media questions into claims he has made about his past.
>> thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. >> reporter: marco rubio and ted cruz continued to show their debate stage polish with notable one-liners. >> there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> for the life of me, i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> carly fee reiorina and donal trump with new proof they will not be friends. >> he quit talking when it was time to quit talking. >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? boy, terrible. >> reporter: there were sparks, too, in the undercard debate. just-demoted chris christie tried to turn the focus to hillary clinton a lot.
>> it's hillary clinton, it's secretary clinton. wait until you see how she'll drown us in debt. >> just in case you were wondering how donald trump thought he did last night. he said loved doing the debate. one drudge in all online polls, amazing evening. moderators did an outstanding job. >> well, carson's person just told me that everybody won the debate. >> it's like 8-year-old soccer. they all get a trophy. >> i'm sure the democrats will do exactly the same thing, too. john berman, many thanks to you. so we can all agree on one thing. there were no gotcha questions. the candidates thought that was awesome, although donald trump used the adjective "elegant." so did a more elegant debate mean more substance? at times, yes. but the substance didn't come from challenging questions from the moderators but from ohio governor john kasich. >> you know what the answer really is? if they've been law abiding, they pay a penalty. they get to stay.
we protect the wall. anybody else comes over, they go back. but for the 11 million people, come on, folks. we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across -- back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. >> with me now, cnn chief political correspondent dana bash and christine romans. welcome to you both. >> thanks, carol. >> dandana, question for you. you were there. did voters walk away with answers? >> more than i think in the pastor certainly the cumulative effect of all of these debates is probably the better way to put it. that if they're looking for answers particularly on economc policy, they saw a pretty clear divide on taxes, for example. and on immigration, as you just heard from john kasich. but, you know, i think, of course, a debate is no matter how substantive the tone and tenor of it is, it is still
about theater. and a lot of these candidates gave very sort of meaty responses, but they also wanted to have their moments. and so it's a combination of those things. no question about it. >> okay. so let's talk about a moment. christine, the canndidates did talk about the economy. here's ben carson's moment. >> every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. >> so christine, is that true? >> well, you know, in 1997, the unemployment rate was actually falling as they were raising wages. in fact, they raised the minimum wage and the number of unemployed people fell for months and months and months. there are a bunch of years you can go back to in the '60s and the '70s when the minimum wage was rising, and you had fewer people out of work. so over the course of history, not exactly true. i will say, though, there's a lot of debate about raising it to $15 an hour and some places even higher.
and there are economists who are very briskly arguing whether that could improve the poverty rate, but mean less job creation. not necessarily throwing people out of work but less job creation. so it is still a very, very big debate. i'll tell you, there are two parties here, and they have very different views on this. you've got democrats who want to raise the minimum wage. the president wants to raise the minimum wage. we just heard from the new york governor for state workers. he wants to raise it to $15 an hour. republicans say no. >> all right. so dana, not one candidate, by the way, is for raising the minimum wage. but all agree there is a huge wage gap that needs to be taken care of. donald trump suggested we kill obama's big trade deal because it allows china to import cheap goods. listen. >> tpp is a horrible deal. it is a deal that is going to lead to nothing but trouble. it's a deal that was designed for china to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone. >> hey, gerard, you know, we might want to point out china's
not part of this deal. >> true. that's true. >> okay. so dana, rand paul is actually right. ch china is not part of that deal. what does that say about trump's answer? >> you know, it's very hard to tell from the way donald trump answered that question, in the follow-up as well when the moderators, i might add, were trying to go to commercial break. whether or not he gets that because if you listen to him, he said china wants to come in through the back door. so, you know, because there was no chance to follow up, we're not entirely clear. it very well could be that "a," rand paul was right, you know, he kind of fact checked him right there and then. but it also very well could be that donald trump knows that china's not part of it. and the point he was trying to make is that china can take advantage of this trade deal like he believes they do of a whole host of other economic policies by this country and others and that that's exactly what's going to happen down the
road because of this trade deal. >> all right. so one of the best lines came from marco rubio last night, christine. he said the problem is a lack of vocational schools. let's listen. >> make higher education faster and easier to access. especially vocational training. for the life of me, i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers. we need more welders and less philosophers. >> all right. so christine, is rubio right? >> well, we do need more welders and more focus on vocational training, but welders do not make more than philosophers. when you scrub the statistics, you can see this is immediate yaum pay for a welder, $37,000. philosoph philosophers, $63,000. not all majors go on to become philosophers. turns out philosopher majors tend to go to things like finance. they go on to graduate school for other things.
they go into business. they go into communications. they're not necessarily just philosophers. >> but rubio's underlying premise was right. >> he was right. >> we are in need of skilled workers desperately in this country and there are jobs waiting. >> we need skilled manufacturing jobs, skilled working with your hands jobs, no question. welders, plumbers, all of those are ladder jobs that you can start and then you can become a business owner. and so i think that's what he's talking about. a very valid point. but the statistic, though not true. >> dana bash, christine romans, thanks to both of you. it was a polished performance at the debate for jeb bush. and while many agree he delivered his best performance yet, he may have been overshadowed by senators marco rubio and ted cruz. today bush is back on the campaign trail in iowa where he's meeting with veterans right now. these are live pictures out of johnston, iowa. he'll soon be serving them coffee. he's talking to them right now. let's bring in cnn's athena jones. she's there as well. good morning.
>> reporter: good morning, carol. first some news off the top. former u.s. senator and former presidential candidate bob dole is endorsing jeb bush this morning. he's calling him the most qualified candidate, the one with the proven leadership skills and executive experience to fix the problems facing the country. this is, of course, coming on veterans day. bob dole himself is a world war ii veteran. and he'll be serving as bush's national veterans chairman. but when it comes to the debate, i've spoken to quite a few satisfied bush campaign staffers and supporters, both this morning at the event here outside des moines and last night at a watch party. they said that they feel that this was bush's strong performance, perhaps his strongest performance yet in the debate. he had some good moments, some great lines. his campaign has put together a highlight reel of him hitting hillary clinton and also arguing that the u.s. should be a leader in the world and in the fight against isis. but the folks i spoke to last night said, look. he's clearly improved. he didn't have any significant stumbles, didn't try and fail to
land a punch against any particular cappndidate as he di in the previous debate. one aide said he still has some room to improve when it comes to being comfortable. take a listen to a joke bush tried to make last night. go ahead and play that. >> this vast overreach has created a huge problem for our country, and hillary clinton wants to double down on that. i was in washington, iowa, about three months ago talking about how bad washington, d.c., is. you get kind of the -- anyway. >> reporter: so there you see he begins to try to make a joke comparing folks here in iowa to washington, d.c., and he kind of gave up midsentence. one of his aides acknowledged he has some room to grow when it comes to getting more comfortable, but oversaul peoal are satisfied. carol? >> athena jones in iowa, thank you. still to come, u.s. investigators are about to play a much larger role looking into that crash of that russian airliner. what do they say about the bomb that was planted on board that
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officials confirm that u.s. investigators could soon look at physical evidence from that russian jet crash. the ntsb has received word that they will assist in the probe. meantime, egyptian authorities saying they investigated everyone involved with the aircraft and took control of all sensors at the airport before announcing the plane had crashed. all of this as u.s. officials say that jihadists most likely planted a bomb with a tumor on
board that plane. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more on this angle. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. once the ntsb investigators get to egypt, this may now begin to open the door for the u.s. to see some real evidence on the ground about what happened and begin to develop more than a working theory about what brought down the plane. right now they are at the working theory stage. and several officials we've talked to said based on what they have seen, some of the intercepts, some of the video and photos, the heat flash that the u.s. satellite registered at the time of the explosion on the plane, all of that is leading them to a working theory indeed that it is most likely a bomb. that's pretty much where the administration is at the moment, barring additional information or intelligence about this, and that could always happen. they do believe most likely a timer was placed on board so
that it would not detonate. it would be sure not to detonate until it was in midair, a timer of perhaps an hour or more. and what could have caused such a dynamic explosion? officials we're talking to say they're looking at the notion that it is c4 military-grade explosive or something like that, plastic explosive, small amount, very powerful. it can be molded. it can be easily hidden. most likely they believe this is what the bomber used. now, who is the bomber, of course, remains the key question. right now based on the intelligence they have, u.s. officials saying isis in sinai, but they don't think -- they have no evidence it was ordered by isis leadership back in syria. that at the moment they think it is self-contained to sinai, but look, u.s. officials want to get a direct look at what evidence there is. they consider that crucial to finding the perpetrator and to
ensuring aviation safety. carol? >> barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon, thank you. let's talk more about this with anthony may. he's a retired atf explosives enforcement officer. welcome, anthony. >> good morning. >> good morning. so supposedly this bomber is still alive and out there somewhere. is it possible to find him? because first of all, don't they have to find evidence on the ground, and how difficult will that be? >> well, of course, they'll eventually find him if the evidence is there, the physical evidence is there. but it's going to take some time. you know, pan am flight 103, it took at least three years before a definitive answer came from that investigation. and then several years later before any individual was arrested and put in jail. so it will happen. it's just going to take some time following the investigative leads. but right now the early stage is a forensic evaluation of the wreckage needs to be completed.
>> and how exactly will they do that? will they reassemble the plane as they usually do? >> well, that's what is typically done. and that's what we did in twa 800. as the parts were brought up from the ocean floor, it was brought to a warehouse where we basically put that aircraft back together, looking for the characteristic signs of an explosion. i'm assuming that the egyptians will do the same thing. and since ntsb is now getting involved, that they may be able to prod them in that direction. >> so once they get that done, whenever that happens, what will they be looking for specifically to tell them that a bomb did indeed blow this plane apart? >> well, they'll be looking for different characteristics of an explosion on the fuselage of the aircraft, anything that's unusual to wreckage. for you, keeping in mind that as this aircraft falls out of the sky, there's going to be mechanical damage.
however, a trained investigator will be able to sort out that, and then the most -- the crucial point is going to be the ability to do a forensic analysis through doing swabs, looking for trace evidence of explosive residue. >> and what they could find trace evidence of explosive residue on the pieces of the plane that they're collecting now, right? >> well, they could, yes. and they should be preserving it for that type of examination. >> as the investigation goes on, how do you think they'll be -- i mean, i'm just wondering, i know they had chatter that terrorists were talking about planting a bomb on board this plane. i don't know what the chatter was specifically. i'm just telling you they had chatter indicated that someone had planted a bomb on that plane. how likely is it they will easily find this person because that chatter exists? >> well, it is possible. keep in mind, now, in the early
stages of this investigation, there's actually two prongs happening at the same time. we have the intelligence and information gathering, which has been occurring since day one. the issue of the satellite flash that was recorded, the black box information, that there was an event that occurred, a single event that shut everything down, interviews at the airport. that information collection and gathering is already occurring. and at the same time on the ground, the physical evidence is being worked. at some point in time these two different aspects will be brought together to put together a complete synopsis of what happened, and it's from that that an investigative lead of a possible suspect using the chatter could be developed. >> all right. anthony may, thanks for your insight. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. still to come in the "newsroom," live pictures from
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- ends sunday. - ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ ben carson back on the campaign trail after last night's debate. you're going to be looking at it. there they are. you're looking at live pictures from liberty university in lynchburg, virginia, where carson will be speaking this morning. lines stretch around the block hours before the doors opened. due to heightened security for the republican contender, the secret service making its first appearance as part of carson's security detail. suzanne malveaux is in lynchburg, virginia, with more. good morning, suzanne. >> reporter: good morning, carol. well, it's expected about 12,000 students will be in attendance. this is called a convocation. this evangelical college
students are actually required to attend. and what we saw this morning that was different because of the social security detail is that the students had to be here two hours prior to the event. we heard more than a couple students grumbling about getting up earlier than usual to do that, but that was because they had to get their bags checked. this was the first day that dr. carson has this kind of protection, and his aides say it's a mutual decision by his campaign and secret service to provide this because of previous threats. that's quite typical. so carol, this morning i did talk to one of his advisers, armstrong williams, about what are we going to expect today, how he felt about yesterday. he said dr. carson was very upbeat. he felt pleased about his performance and that quite honestly he felt relieved about it as well. there are a couple of things that he's going to do today that is different. he's going to highlight something that happened last night, and that is his change in position when it comes to raising the minimum wage. you know, it was two weeks ago he said he was going to do it. he was for it. last night he said he was
against it. williams saying talking to his economic advisers, he felt that it was low-income students who would not benefit from that policy. he's going to give more details and explain what is behind his thinking behind that. and of course, carol, he is going to talk about his personal story. you can imagine at this college or this campus that that would really resonate, being very popular among white evangelicals. last night we saw a different demeanor that he took when it came to being challenged, his character, his stories about his past. not kind of the fiery language, calling the media stupid or sick or pathetic but something a little bit more nuanced. take a listen. >> i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about and then putting that out there as truth. >> reporter: and carol, williams says that what we're going to do is see a carson that is more like the guy than people really liked and saw before the one who
was calm, who had a very controlled demeanor and who was really focused on his message. he has since asked for an apology from those he felt lied about him. but his campaign says at this point, they are ready to move on. he's expected to get quite a friendly and enthusiastic reception here at this university. carol? >> suzanne's going to get hoarse after this report. suzanne malveaux reporting live from lynchburg, thanks so much. and just like dr. carson, ted cruz is also making a strong push for the evangelical vote. even bringing up the bible when he was talking about the tax code last night. >> the current system isn't fair. washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> with me now, the director of the university of new hampshire survey center andy smith and star parker, the president of the center for urban renewal and
education. and we should also note that dr. ben carson is on the advisory group of that group. welcome to both of you. >> good wemorning. >> star, who do you think evangelicals like more, ted cruz or ben carson? >> well, i think because of the showing last night, which was an amazing debate, up until this point, the debates have been like organizing kindergartners. and now we're getting to substance. and so when you think about the evangelical vote, they understand that the moral compass of america needs to be placed in check. there's a challenge in our society. but when you start thinking about the deeper problems, washington and politics is business. and for a trillion-dollar business with $18 trillion of debt. so i would not be surprised if you start seeing the evangelical vte move from ben carson and especially from donald trump into the camps of ted cruz. perhaps even marco rubio. but people are now looking for the experience.
the debate is no longer going to be about outsider/insider but establishment and anti-establishment and who can fix this country. >> and you might be right because ben carson was asked a question about foreign policy last night, and here's how he answered it. >> do you support the president's decision to now put 50 special ops forces in syria and leave 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan? >> well, putting the special ops people in there is better than not having them there because they -- that's why they're called special ops. they're actually able to guide some of the other things that we're doing there. and what we have to recognize is that putin is trying to really spread his influence throughout the middle east. this is going to be his base. and we have to oppose him there in an effective way. we also must recognize that it's a very complex place. you know, the chinese are there
as well as the russians, and you have all kinds of factions there. >> okay. so that was kind of a meandering answer. i had carson supporter on earlier, andy, who said no, that wasn't a great answer, but ben carson is still learning. but nobody pushed -- you know the surprise to me is none of the other candidates pushed back on that answer. did they not push back for a reason? >> i don't think any of the other candidates really want to hit ben carson right now, especially since the media have been doing that. and he's been fighting back i think fairly effectively. certainly among the voters that he's aiming to get. and i think your question about the candidate that social conservatives are going for, last night's debate was kind of interesting in that the three candidates that were most visibly going after social conservatives were on the undercard. mike huckabee, bobby jindal and rick santorum. so cruz and carson both talking to social conservatives but
realizing that they're not just concerned about social issues. they're concerned about these other issue. but i think that the reason that carson didn't get much pushback is also that first off on the question of what to do with isis is not something that very many people want to touch. >> okay. back to carson for just a second, and i want to focus on him and evangelicals. so star, ross douth of "the new york times" wrote a column about evangelical voters. he said carson is running a more content-free campaign than trump. he's offering pieties and it's mostly about the man himself. unfortunately evangelicals have a weakness about this pind of kind of pit from pat robertson in 1988, mike huckabee, sarah palin and even michele bachmann. is he right about that? >> i think it's an unfair swipe because when you think about the folks that he's comparing, they had experience in government.
even sarah palin, as much as the left may hate her, was a governor. so when you think about the evangelical voter, yes, first and foremost, they are concerned about the moral state of our country. but they understand also how this impacts our economic well-being and our foreign policy. and so that's a deeper question not just about their own family values and how we're going to preserve the interest of the country when it comes to family, but also about how we're going to portray america in the world. and that's why this vote is now not at that second tier. it's not looking, again, at huckabee and santorum and even jindal, as wonderful as these men are. you notice that the vote -- it's not showing up in the polls for them. it's going up to that next level to say let's go deeper into policy discussions. >> right, okay. and so on that note, andy, it will be interesting to hear what ben carson chooses to talk about at liberty because i'm betting he'll talk about his backstory, and he won't talk about policy in any deep kind of way.
>> i think that he probably will. that's certainly the strength of his campaign, but i think as we go forward, he and all of the candidates are going to have to flesh out their policy proposals. carson hasn't had to do that yet. i think we're going to see him do that more. >> all right. andy smith, star parker -- sfroo we >> -- well, he might start to change his mind more as he did last night. >> star parker, andy smith, thank you so much. irmg still to come, a terrifying shootout between biker gangs and not one indictment until now. want bladder leak underwear that moves like you do?
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a massive shootout at a biker gathering in texas. this is the wild video from last may. inside the twin peaks restaurant in waco is the gun battle erupted outside in the parking lot. when it was over, nine people were dead and 18 more were wounded. dozens more indictments are expected, citing organized crime activity, aggravated assault and murder. cnn's ed lavandera has more from waco. good morning, ed. >> reporter: good morning, carol. well, these sweeping indictments, 106 people in all. and this is a very controversial decision by the district attorney here in waco, texas. many of the bikers and defense attorneys that we've already spoken with over the last couple of hours lashing out at these sweeping indictments. so a great deal of controversy surrounding them. 106 people indicted in all. remember, there were 177 bikers arrested that day of the twin peaks shootout there back in may of this year and had been quite some time to get to this point.
and a lot of criticism levied over the last couple months of why this process was taking so long. but the district attorney here in waco coming out late last night and announcing the news of these indictments. and he also says they're still not done. >> we're not done. we still have a lot of work to do. we will continue to do that. my office is dedicated, as is the team, to seeing that justice is done in all of these cases. >> reporter: so carol, remember, there are still nearly 80 other cases that are still awaiting some sort of decision. so far nobody has been no billed, so those cases are all still pending. the grand jury will meet again next week. more of these indictments could be announced then. we'll continue to monitor that as well. but these are serious charges depending on the individual person's case, it could range anywhere from 5 to 99 years in prison. carol? >> all right, ed lavandera reporting live from waco, texas, this morning. still to come in the
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all right. as you can see, it's a beautiul morning at arlington national cemetery. of course, it is veterans day, a day to commemorate the men and women who fought in the nation's wars. the u.s. army band is playing the prelude to the ceremonies. the wreath laying takes place at the top of the hour. when that happens, of course, we'll bring you back to arlington national cemetery live. unemployment among veterans
is significantly higher than for civili civilians, and they often struggle to turn their military training into viable job skills. well, now some big corporations are putting a premium on hiring veterans. cnn money correspondent kristina al alesci is here with that story. >> 200 companies have come together and said they're going to hire 1 million veterans. and these are pretty big brands, pepsico, southwest airlines, mgm resorts, and jpmorgan, which is the biggest bank in the country. i spoke to the ceo about it, and he is committed to seeing this program happen. >> one of the admirals told me once we're great at bringing these kids in, teach them how to work, teach them how to use equipment and weapons. he said but when it's time for them to go, we kick them out and they're not completely prepared for this new world. >> reporter: even under the best circumstances, service men and women returning from war face huge challenges transitioning to civilian life.
but as jpmorgan's ceo jamie dimon knows well, vets returning from iraq and afghanistan were walking into an economy in shambles. >> they bore an unbelievable price for the rest of us. and something like 200,000 are coming out of the system every year, and for a while they had high unemployment rates. >> reporter: in 2011 joblessness was 15% higher than civilians in the same age group. that's when the private sector and the nation's biggest bank formed veteran jobs mission. >> i think we all should do this. and there are 200. cans involved in this effort. it started at ten. jpmorgan was one of the founders. everyone's equal. we want 1,000 companies, and we want a million jobs. it originally started with 100,000 jobs. we've now actually created 300,000. and we want to help get to the million. >> reporter: navy veteran jason joined jpmorgan as a private banker in 2009, and he helps the hr team recruit and mentor troops walking off the battlefield and into corporate america. >> the military does a great job of training their people.
that's the purpose, to defend the country. but it is difficult to know really what your options are when you leave the military. >> reporter: what's not in the manual that you would urge hiring managers to do when they interact with veterans, especially early on? >> early on is have patience. realize, again, the type of stresses that these veterans have had when they were in service. and look beyond that and look at the underlying skills that they bring to the real intangibles that are going to make them a wonderful employee over time. they're going to come with an ethical background. they will have had leadership opportunities very early on in their career. they're going to be disciplined, and they're imminently trainable. >> the veterans are among the great citizens of america and as you know since 9/11, they've been bearing a tremendous burden for the rest of us. so we want to do our share to bring them back into society and give them jobs so this mission has been a wonderful thing for the company and for the veterans. >> so you saw that chart that
has a disparity between the civilians and the veterans. now, this is still a problem among the youngest group of veterans, those between 24, 20 years old and 4 ye24. the unemployment rate for them is still 15%, carol. that's way above the civilian counterparts in that same age group, 9.4% for them. so clearly still a lot of work to be done. >> so good for corporate america. 200 companies, you said. >> doing something good today. >> absolutely. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," the pictures are shocking. a plane crashes into an apartment building in akron, ohio. we have new details on why it happened next.
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dramatic flames from akron. the small company, a company plane, slamming into an apartment building. woio reporting the pilot, co-pilot and seven passengers on board died. cnn's boris sanchez has more. good morning. >> good morning. in the past hour the ceo confirmed with a cnn affiliate that all nine people on board were killed. we're still working to identify those that were on board. we know at least seven were employees of heb enterprises. as you mentioned, the pilot and co-pilot also dead. it's a property management business based in boca raton, florida. they put out a statement earlier today quite writing we are shocked and deeply saddened for the families, colleagues and friends of those who perished. our first priority is to give our fullest support to the family members and loved ones of our coworkers. we should also tell you that officials began excavating the site at about 8:30 this morning. this is an area of akron that's just northeast of a corporate airport. we know that witnesses said it
was a horrific scene. the plane simply falling out of the sky, taking down power lines with it. you can tell from the video it's gloomy and cloudy. we're expecting a press briefing at noon. >> boris sanchez, many thanks. i want to take our viewers out to arlington national cemetery. president obama has arrived to lay the wreath at the unknowns. let's listen.
>> hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. an important show today for us and a very important day, a salute and a tribute to our nation's veterans for their service and for their sacrifice. we're looking live right now at the official veterans day ceremony. it's getting under way at arlington national cemetery. >> these are live pictures from the nation's most hallowed ground, as is tradition, the president will lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns. he will deliver an address inside the memorial amphitheater. we'll also hear from the v.a. secretary, robert mcdonald. you're looking at outside the amphitheater right now. the president, in minute now, will walk up, he will lay that wreath, then we will take you inside to hear his remarks. >> as we await -- it's such a beautiful day. i was just struck by the falling leaves that you see right there. as we await to see the president and we'll break in the mom