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>> thank you, wolf. >> that's it for me. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room" the. for our interview viewers, amanpour is next. for our viewers in north america "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. and here we go, wolf blitzer thank you so much. great to be with you on this wednesday. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. policy, not personalities, dominated the fourth republican debate. you had eight presidential candidates sparring over issues such as syria and the tax code, trade, the minimum wage, the military, and oh, so much more. what emerged here really two kinds of contenders, those truly focused on the republican primary vote and those thinking longer term through the general election. the distinction, though, is perhaps most clear when the candidates sparred over the issue front-runner donald trump credits himself for righting that being of course immigration
and his proposed deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants. >> we need to control our border just like people have to control who goes in and out of their house. but if people think that we are going to shift 11 million people who are law-abiding, who are in this country and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out to mexico, think about the families, think about the children. so you know what the answer really is? if they've been law abiding, they pay a penalty, they get to stay, we protect the wall. anybody else comes over, they go back. but for the 11 million people, come on, folks. we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it makes no sense. >> you're lucky in ohio you struck oil. that's one thing. let me just tell you that dwight
eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him, i like ike, right? the expression, "i like ike," moved 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. they came back. moved them again beyond the border. they came back. didn't like it. moved them way south. they never came back. >> what happened -- >> you're not going to have my back. i'm going to have my back. just a couple of things here. first of all -- >> governor, you should let jeb speak. >> we have grown -- >> thank you, donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate. that's really nice of you. really appreciate that. what a generous man you are. 12 million illegal immigrants, to send them back, 500,000 a month, is just not possible, and it's not embracing american values. and it would tear community as part. and it would send a signal that we're not the kind of dcountry
that i know america is. and even having this conversation sends a powerful signal they're doing high-fives in the clinton campaign right now when they hear this. >> let's talk about that, shall we? i have president of republican super pac the congressional leader mike shields with us, also cnn national political reporter maeve reston and john avalon. welcome to all of you. going through the debate, to me, that was really one of the strongest exchanges obviously onon immigration. i want to talk about the eisenhower talk. but first mike, this back-and-forth, to me really showkai d showcases this divide on, say, between trump and cruz and mainstream republican kacandid e candidates. >> yeah. first of all, happy veterans day. i think the winner of the debate last night was the rnc and prince priebus. after the debate in colorado that everyone knew was poorly
run by cnbc, they regathered themselves, put this debate on last night and what you just watched was a really, truly substantive debate among truly qualified candidates going back and forth on their immigration plans. you saw that over and over and over again. this is a bait i think all republicans who are looking at the presidential campaign is what they've been looking for. they want substance and back and forth. the moderators don't have to get involved in sort of creating a fight or gotcha questions when the candidates are going to go back and forth. there are real differences in these candidates about how they would approach things. >> shouldn't the mod yaitor have followed up with donald trump about deporting millions of people. the question is how. what does that look like? how do you pull that off? where was that question? >> yeah. look, you can get even more deep into substance. step one, let's have a substan stiff debate, yes, follow-on questions all the journalists that are covering the campaign
really need to help dig deep into what these kand did thes stand for, what the policies will do, what the impact for the policies are, the american action forum is a conservative c3 in washington, d.c., a think tank. they're talking about a massive cost associated with trying to deport that many people. it would cost billions of dollars. there's legitimate request questions to be asked but let's celebrate we had a good debate with qualified candidates answering questions about what their policy platforms are. >> john, to you, let's be real about what happened in the 1950s under president eisenhower and what donald trump is proposing. can you please give everybody a history legislati history lesson on what that effort was back then. >> sure. and i think that's an important reality check. look, i like ike. i think he was an underrated president. but this is not one of the high water marks for his president did i. it was known as excuse me for knowen it as operation wetback. that's what it was known as.
calling for operation wetback ii, i don't think it will help the republicans connect with the hispanic community. the country was one-tenth of the population that is the potential pool. and if you are a republican who claims to want limited government, you never seen big ghost trying to deport 11 million folks. that's a reality. i think kasich and jeb bush were responsible trying to play it out beyond the bumper stickers. it's good to have a parallel but do your homework and look at the -- it was 150,000 people under fdr. do that multiple and then ask yourself if you're a republican that says you believe in limited country if that's the president you want to see and support. >> thank you. i just think we needed a little social studies 101. maeve, i want to come to you, but let me dip into ben carson speaking here lynchburg, virginia, talking about last night's debate. >> their facts on the table and then making a decision.
see, the problem is we frequently make decisions based on one person's ideology or another person's ideology without actually recognizing that we live in a pluralistic society and we need to hear everybody's explanation of what needs to happen. you know, as i've looked at the data and i've talked to people, i'm still very open to having a discussion about it. but it is very clear that every time we raise the minimum wage we lose jobs. so the question then becomes, how many jobs are we willing to lose in order to increase a wage beyond the level where people will be working? and what is the rationale for that? and we ought to get that out there because a lot of times the people who are saying, let's increase the minimum wage, once they understand what the implications are say, you know
what? maybe we shouldn't be increasing the minimum wage. >> just to be clear, are you saying you're still open to potentially supporting raising the federally mandated minimum wage? >> if somebody can come up with a good explanation of why that should be done, how it doesn't hurt the economy and increase uneconomy, i think it's very reasonable to hear their argument. >> could you explain your position on -- >> yes. >> are you in favor of encourage ing -- to have a way to get citizenship, or are you in favor of deporting those who are here? >> very easy question. i'm in favor of enforcing the laws that have and in favor of securing our borders, all of our borders. and this is not a difficult thing to do, as was demonstrated in yuma county, arizona, where
they spout 97% of illegal immigration simply by putting up a double fence with asphalt road in between so there was quick access, actually putting border guards on the border, which is a novel concept, and prosecuting first-time offenders rather than the catch and release program that we now have. that stopped it. and that's without the addition of some of the unique surveillance equipment that we now have available to us. so i think you can get pretty close to 100%. now, the other thing you have to do is you have to decrease the incentives for people to come here. you have to get rid of all of the things that they would be getting if they can get through the system. therefore, they say, what is the point? now, that gets rid of the influx, but it doesn't take care of the 11-plus million people
who are still here. i propose that we give them a six-month period in which to register. if they don't register within that six-month period, they're criminals and are treated as such. but if they register in that six-month period and they have a pristine record and they wish to be guest workers in this country, we would have to pay a back tax penalty and continue to pay taxes going forward. but they would no longer have to live in the shadows. now, that does not give them the right to vote. it does not make them u.s. citizens. if they want to become u.s. citizens they have to go through the same thing anybody else who wants to do that has to go through, including leaving the country so that they're legal and apply from the outside. unless the american people indicate that they want a different course than that. >> what's the economic harm of
having these 11 million people here now? some people it's a plus to the economy. it doesn't sound like you think it is. >> well, when you look at the farming industry, i've talked to farmers who have multithousand-acre farms, and they say that their business would collapse without these people completely. i've talked to hotel owners, and they say that they would have a very difficult time without them. and that's why i say guest workers who are willing to work in industries where we need them. you know, that's a win-win situation. i think the other thing that we have to keep in mind, you know, we're compassionate people. like in cameroon right now, there are american companies over there i've spoken to, some of them, who are helping to develop millions of acres, incredibly fertile land, growing
record crops, getting big profits, which is great for them. i like business, you know. that's -- you do what works for you. but at the same time they're building the infrastructure of that nation, creating jobs there and teaching them the ag business so they carry on themselves and at the same time creating friends for the united states. there's really no reason that we can't do the same kind of thing in other parts of the world, including central and south america, so that people won't feel a necessity to come here and that's a very good outreach and a positive effect for our businesses. and it doesn't require expenditure on behalf of our government. >> last night during the discussion of dodd frank and the financial sector you said basically, i would have -- wouldn't allow -- then you also
said you didn't want to tear banks down and reshuffle what we have now. [ inaudible question ] well, you know, it's not the government's business to build things up by favoritism, and it's not their job to tear things down. it's really their job to provide an atmosphere that allows earlyiearl entrepreneurial risk taking, innovation, capital investment, but not to facilitate those things for one group versus the other group. so i want to see a hands-off policy by the federal government. let things rise and fall based on their merits without the government interfering. that includes subsidies also. >> do you think further deregulation would --
>> well, you know, the amount of regulation has gone from just creeping into a full gallop now, enveloping virtually everything. you know, i talk to the deleterious effect of all those regulations on the poor and the middle class, but also in terms of stifling the powerful economic engine that we have. and that i believe is what we have to be looking at. >> you said last night -- [ inaudible question ] >> well, you're talking about isis and control of that. they only have 30,000 people. and they're spread out not just there but in several other
locations. so i don't think that they can defend that area particularly well, and the problem has not been so much that we can't effectively fight them. the problem has been that we have our hands tied. we have people micromanaging everything. if you gave our military a mission and didn't tie their hands and micromanage them, they would be much more capable than what we've seen. [ inaudible question ] i do. i do believe that. and the added advantage is, you know, we've been calling for a coalition because the fact of the matter is, you know, getting that area under control is much more beneficial to the countries of the arabian peninsula and throughout that region than it
is anybody else. and many of them probably would get involved, but they're not just going to form and do things by themselves. they need leadership. if we provide the leadership for them, that provides the night us. it will grow and be able to take care of itself. but that's the kind of foreign policy we have to have. we can't have a we'll sit in the back and manage everything kind of policy. that doesn't work. we can see that. [ inaudible question ] >> well, china has been trying to extend its influence not only throughout the middle east but throughout africa. and in several locations and their interest extends into that region as well. you know, i have to refer you to
some other people todata, but t it to me. [ inaudible question ] whether it's enough or not, my point is that, if we have operations going on over there, they need to be guided. and the special ops people are there to guide those operations rather than have them being done randomly or by people who really don't have a complete view of what's going on in the area. [ inaudible question ] >> my message is that, you know, there are few careers that are more rewardi ining than medicin. even with all the regulations
and sthauff that has made it a little bit miserable, because you get to intervene in the most important a person has, their life, and give them longevity and give them quality. you know, i've had the opportunity to do that hundreds and even thousands of times, and i wouldn't trade one of those lives for a billion dollars. yes, in the back. [ inaudible question ] yeah. you know, the national institute of health is a very important part of what we do as a nation, and when you look at the death rate and you look at the age -- of life expectancy at the last turn of the century, not this one recently but the one before that, versus now, you see we've
gone from around 50 to around 80. that's because of medical advances. that's because of things that we've been able to learn and been able to apply in a rigorous and objective manner. and it says volumes about the benefit of rational thought processing, taking true evidence and using that to make decisions. that kind of thing needs to continue to be encouraged. of course we have to look at the areas of the nih that are effective and the areas that perhaps are not as effective. we have to apply the same kind of standards as we would to any government agency or sub-agency in terms of cost to benefit ratio. but, in general, i would be very
much in favor of maintaining and even increasing appropriations for that kind of wide ranging benefit to society. >> two more questions, please. [ inaudible question ] >> any particular issue? because in a general speech you generally don't have time to go through a whole lit aany of issues. some people don't recognize that. if there's a specific issue -- [ inaudible question ] >> well, of course. but it wasn't an exhaustive discussion on the flat tax. you know, you have to talk about, what is the purpose of taxation? the purpose of taxation is to be able to have the funding that's necessary to run the government. that was the original purpose.
it's morphed into controlling people's behavior. that was not the original purpose, and that's not what i would want. that's why the system that i've described does not include the things that control people's behavior. it also, you know -- obviously we at any tididn't talk about t that's need to be made. the government is far too large. we have 4.1 million federal employees. that's ridiculous. we need to trim that down. i would do it very compassionately by attrition. thousands of government employees retire each year. don't replace them. you can shift people around from place to place, but don't replace them. you look at all of those agencies, 645 agencies and subagencies, 2% to 3% in each one across the board -- some people say, oh, you can't do that! every penny is vitally important
and the whole system will collapse. that's a bunch of garbage. the fact of the matter is, there is fat in everything in the government and probably a lot more than 2% or 3%. being very reasonable at that rate. some people say, well, remember a couple of years ago with the sequester and how they tried to do just the small cuts and we had to close white house tours and close national parks and all these kinds of benefits for veterans and stuff like that? that's because they were intentionally trying to target the things that people would feel the most so they could make the silly argument that you can't cut anything. that's a matter of putting the right people in government and have the right motives to really help it work efficiently and help it work for the american people and not people who have a political agenda. [ inaudible question ]
[ inaudible question ] >> yes. i have looked at that and have concluded that the reason that we have 50 states is because they have some degree of autonomy. federal government should not try to control them. and if they have onerownerous t policies, everybody should leave the state. >> thank you. >> retired neuropediatric surgeon ben carson answering
questions from the press the day after the fourth presidential debate. maeve reston is with me. let me go to you. we heard him doubling down on some of the themes we heard last night, not only saying the minimum wage can stay, but he thinks it's too high. he said that's attributing to the high unemployment among african-americans which certainly made news on both sides of the equation today. but also as we were discussing, immigration. obviously he sees it differently than let's say his other fellow front-runner donald trump. how is he sounding today to you? >> well, it's so interesting. you know, there were a number of questions about dr. carson's answers last night. for example, on how he would tackle isis as well as breaking up the big banks. there was a little bit of confusion about that. but i do think coming back to your original point, that this immigration debate is the most fascinating way to look at sort of the policy differences between all of these candidates. you heard there dr. carson
talking about the need for a guest worker program. he's really placing emphasis on that, talked a lot about how he's talked to businesses about that, then you have donald trump who's much more saying, we need to deport all of these people. and then jeb bush coming in and saying, wait a minute, i'm the pragmatic voice. all thaf is going to be really critical as voters start to make up their minds getting closer to the primaries here. we remember in 2012, for example, when mitt romney talked about self-deportation. we know from polls that that sank his numbers among hispanics much later on. so i think that immigration clip in that debate we heard last night will be played again and again as this process moves forward. >> and, as jeb bush said, hillary clinton camp high-fiving over what trump said last night, right? >> and they were actually high-fiving apparently. >> there you go. maeve reston, mike shields, john avlon, thank you so much. i appreciate all of you hear
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. here we are the day after the fourth republican debate. donald trump playing the nice guy, coming to the defens of jeb bush, calling out carly fiorina for interrupting, though some might say it wasn't very nice, even offering faint praise ñi riva. jeff zeleny caught up with mr. trump in new hampshire and asked him how he's doing. >> during the debate, you have to give other people a chance to talk. and in the case of carly, she was interrupting a lot of people, and i think, by the way, four people came up to me afterwards that were on the stage and said thank you, so much for what you did with carly. and i think carly is a very nice person, no problem with carly. but if you remember, i did the exact same thing to kasich because he was cutting off jeb bush. i said, let jeb speak. >> why do you have to be more conciliatory? >> i don't think i have to be, but i think i want to show respect for the other people up
there and let them talk. it's their time to talk. >> it's different than the other debates. >> i'm learning. >> it's like you felt sorry for jeb bush. >> no, not sorry. i think he was being cut off very unfairly. at some point i said, hey, let him talk. you saw that, right? >> i did see that. >> he did, indeed. he said, let jeb speak. let me bring in senior contributor to the daily caller matt lewis and columnist scottie hughes. welcome to both of you. >> hi. >> thank you. >> i have a whole other segment for the carly fiorina interrupting moment. let me just pause that. that's for dana bash next hour. matt, to you on the debate, geared toward economic visions for the future and the question is, did donald trump stand out? i mean, this is mr. arm of the deal trump. did you hear his deal for america last night? >> i don't think he did stand out. i don't think he helped
similarself, i don't think he hurt himself. if you like donald trump, you still like him. he doesn't get into the weeds, doesn't really talk policy. frankly, i thought the real substance ever the debate wasn't even really over economics. it was things about immigration, which of course is tied to economics, and foreign policy, the clash between rand paul and marco rubio i thought was maybe the highlight of the evening. so donald trump was not really front and center in terms of the news making part of the debate. >> scottie, do you agree? >> well, to a certain extent. but let me ask you this question. how effective on economic policy can you be when you have eight people on a stage sitting there combating each other for one to two minute sound bite thatz media will play the next day? there was more economic policy talked about in the earlier debate. that's where i think reince priebus and the rnc needs to look at the smaller group format and say, if you want substance in a specific area, you're going to have to lower the number on the stage. it's impossible to talk about mack troh macro or
microeconomics in a one-minute sound bite. >> i don't know if america wants to hear about microeconomics. some of it, yes, people want substance and perhaps people want more from mr. trump. but there was a discussion, we talked immigration, but there was a discussion on minimum wage, scottie. trump said he would leave everything the way it is. here's donald trump. >> taxes too high, wages too high. we're not going to be able to compete against the world. i hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. people have to go out. they have to work really hard. and they have to get into that upper stratum. but we cannot do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. we just can't do it. >> leave everything the way it is. i mean, this is a man who touts the slogan, wears the ball cap, make america great. how does that jive with that slogan? >> it jives with it perfectly.
we talk about raising the minimum wage, but the biggest effect it has is on small business, who are already struggling under the regulations of obama. that will hurt. when we're in an age of technology right now where we're seeing on a daily basis corporations already in these large retailers replacing people with machines, you can't sit there and tell these folks that it makes it worth it to replace people to not replace people when you're raising the wages. >> matt, do you want to respond to that? >> well, i will say this. you know, sometimes i'm sitting there watching the debate and i'm like an obvious answer that will be simple. the cbo said that raising the minimum wage would actually cost us jobs. more people would be unemployed. surprisingly, not a single republican, at least that i heard last night, happened to mention that statistic, which i think sort of proves the point. >> final question to you, matt.
then we've got to go. to your point, if trump didn't truly stand out and it's almost sort of like we're watching reruns and some people love trump reruns, is he getting tri priblgtable? >> i think he is. he has a shtick. he's entertaining. this is the fourth debate. i think it wears thin over time. >> obviously not. his numbers are the highest. >> scottie, they are. people love him. they do, they do. scottie hughes, thank you so much. matt lewis, thank you as well. next, we will talk to nancy grace to discuss this horrendous case involving the 1-year-old girl beaten to death by an 8-year-old little boy after their mothers allegedly left them home alone while they went out to the clubs. now that little boy is charged with murder. we'll have that discussion coming up. we stop arthritis pain,
you heard about this, this 8-year-old child facing murder charges after killing a 1-year-old? beating this little baby kelsey lewis to death apparently because she wouldn't stop crying. where were the parents, you ask? well, this horrific incident happening as the mothers reportedly went out clubbing, leaving them home alone with five kids between the ages of 2 and 8. just as shocking? the mothers allegedly did not check on these little ones when they got home around 2:00 a.m. until much later the next morning when they found this little baby unresponsive. joining me now, hln's nancy grace. nancy grace, also to you as a mother, an 8-year-old charged with murder. we were looking, birmingham police have never charged anyone
that young with murder before. how does this happen? >> well, i think that the fault is going to be determined to not lie with the little boy but with the mothers instead. because you've got the one mother who is out -- this is her friend's home. between them, six children at home. the mother is charged with manslaughter right now. as far as the little boy goes, he is not going to be charged as an adult. >> so what happens? make sure you're okay. i don't know if you have any walter. water nearby. this 8-year-old boy i know is in custody at the state department of human row resources. i know he won't be tried as an adult, but even if he's convicted and sentenced, where do you put an 8-year-old? >> oh, this child will be in juvenile jail, potentially until he is 19 years old. >> wow! >> now, this is what the state's star witness is saying, a
6-year-old little girl in the home. she says that the injuries to the little girl, kelsey, are consistent with a beating. now, what we believe happened is the child is taken out of her crib and beaten and then put back in the crib. now, what's so disturbing to me is the parents, the two mothers, go out clubbing -- i don't know where the dads are -- until about 2:30 in the morning. they come back home. they don't even check on the children. they come home, probably drunk, and go to bed. during that time, they could very likely have saved this child's life if they had just checked on her, just to make sure she's in the crib. now the 8-year-old is charged with murder. now, in that jurisdiction, if he's charged as an adult, he could potentially get life without parole. however, in alabama, you've got to be 14 to be charged as an adult. so what he's looking at is 10 to 11 years in juvenile jail.
and i want to tell you a quick story. >> please. >> i remember trying a juvenile for murder, and when i saw him as a witness five years later in another crime, he was just pacing back and forth in the courtroom like a tiger. you put a kid in jail at this age until he's 19, he's going to come out worse than when he went in. >> what about mom? as you mentioned -- >> oh! >> what does her future look like? >> can i tell you something? i don't think that's appropriate. i don't think this mother should be charged with man slaughter. just think if her kid is back drinking and smoking at the club while her child was at home getting beaten to death? i think she should be charged with felony murder. and i'll tell you why. felony murder does not mean you have intent to kill. it means that during the commission of a felony, which is felony child neglect, a death occurs. that is exactly what happened. if you look at this baby, can you look at kelsey, and with a
straight face think that mother should get off at two or three years jail time? huh-uh, n-o. >> nancy grace, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> make sure you watch nancy on our sister network hln every night 8:00 eastern. horrible. coming up here on cnn, nine people have been killed after this small plane crashed into an apartment building. this is akron, ohio. witnesses say the plane just up and dropped out of the sky. how could this happen? what caused this crash? that's next. inthe mid-size van, from merbenz. it's got small-ability and big-ability. towing-ability and stowing-ability. rack-ability and hvac-ability. it's fully customizable and sized just right to give you cupcake-ability, entourage-ability... ...garage-ability and even afford-ability. starting at $28,950.
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nine people are now confirmed dead in this fiery plane crash in ohio. seven were co-workers at a florida-based real estate firm, pilot, co-pilot also killed. state highway patrol officials say the privately chartered twin engine jet slammed into this akron, ohio, apartment building. witnesses describe watchinged plane, quote, just drop oust sky. investigators say the jet scraped power lines before smashing into this apartment complex. thankfully no one was home at the time. officials say no one on the ground was hurt either. but as many as 12 families are now displaced. the ntsb is holding a news conference in a couple of minutes. we'll watch for that. how did this happen? >> we're not sure. we're looking at the recent history of this plane. it looks like it's had a busy week, four flights on monday from st. paul, ft. lauderdale, st. louis to cincinnati. yesterday it flew from cincinnati to dayton and was supposed to fly from dayton to akron but came down obviously a few miles from its destination,
an airport in southeast akron. as you mentionedish the plane was chartered by a real estate company based in boca raton, peb enterprises. on its website it acknowledged that seven of the passengers on board were employees. they offered condolences to the families of everyone on board. we also heard from officials that it's going to take a while before they recover all the remains and positively identify them. unfortunately, the fuselage was in tact when it came down, but there was a strong fire. >> the pictures, wow. >> pretty intense. so right now they're still working to remove the remains, take them to a lab, positive i.d. them before they release the names of those who were actually on board. there's no exact indication no obvious indication for the reason for the crash. you can see in the video it looks like a dark, gloomy day. it had recently rained. obviously the faa and ntsb will look at whether weather was a potential pafactor in the crash next, today, in honor of veterans day, i had the coolest morning ever.
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thing i've ever done. but after talking to the sergeant this morning, i personally feel like a schmuck because this man is truly outstanding. he was able to do this this morning after losing both of his legs in combat. i want to introduce you to retired u.s. marine corps sergeant julian torres. so he lost both of his legs during a tour in afghanistan in 2010. look at this. five years later, sergeant torres has turned this dream into a reality by taking on one of the world's highest peaks. this incredible journey made possible by the heroes project. the heroes project is a nonprofit created by former hell's angel biker turned climber tim medvet and designed to head wounded veterans rediscover their sense of strength and pride. i got to talk to tim and sergeant torres right after they reached kilimanjaro's summit. congratulations! >> whoo! yeah, baby!
>> that is just amazing. i cannot believe i'm talking to you two at 19,345 feet on the summit of kilimanjaro. guys, how does it feel? >> like a winner. >> feels like a winner. sergeant torres, have you ever done anything like this? >> no. nothing except kicking my kids around the house. what's going on, j.j., alecio? i love you. >> how does it look from the roof of africa, the glaciers? how does the air feel? gorgeous. guys, i was just up there a couple of months ago myself. it's truly spectacular. sergeant, can you tell me why you wanted to climb a mountain? >> absolutely. i wanted to pay respect to my fallen brothers. we did it. happy veterans day to all the veterans out there. >> happy veterans day indeed. tim, tell me why you do this.
>> i guess this is my extreme way of serving those who -- >> i mean, you could run a race. you could go biking. like, why feel the need to climb the tallest mountains on earth? >> america. america. that's all i can say is america. doing my part as an american on this gorgeous day. happy veterans day, everybody. everybody should do their own part as an american, thank them for their service. you don't have to do something as crazy as taking one of our war heroes up a mountain, but shake their hand. sacrifice, brooke. >> phenomenal. my favorite part about climbing was the bronco wall. how about you two? >> that was not my favorite. >> it completely was horrible. >> certainly had to pay my price and pay my dues. >> one of my last questions is, once you get down off that mountain, what do you want to
tell your wife, your kids, and do you ever want to climb a mountain again, sergeant? >> yes, i do want to climb again. i would tell my kids there's nothing your dad can't do. i love you guys. >> incredible. climbing that mountain is such a metaphor. thank you, gentlemen. happy veterans day. happy veterans day. >> top of africa! -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com p pfr. at the win ton, top of the hour. thank you for being with me. this is cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with the republican debate, not dominated by personalities last night but really by policy. eight republican candidates sparring over syria, the tax code, trade, talking about the minimum wage, military, immigrati immigration, so much more than that. more than 13 million people tuned in to see the seven men and one woman who would like to
be the next president of the united states there on that main stage. here are in case you missed it some highlights. >> we can't continue to be the policemen of the world. we owe $19 trillion. we have a country that's going to hell. we have an infrastructure that's falling apart. our roads, our bridges, our schools, our airports. and we have to start investing money in our country. >> we're not going to be the world's policemen, but we sure as heck better be the world's leader. there's a huge difference. without us leading, voids are filled. >> if i thought that raising the minimum wage was the best way to help people increase their pay, i would be all for it. but it doesn't. in the 21st century it's a disaster. if you raise the minimum wage, you're going to make people more expensive than a machine. and that means all the automation replacing jobs and people right now is only going to be accelerated. >> every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. it's particularly a problem in the black community.
only 19.8% of black teenagers have a job, are looking for one. and that's because of those high wages. >> the secret sauce of america is innovation and entrepreneurship. it is why we must cut our government down to size and hold it accountable. it's why we have to take our government back. because innovation and entrepreneurship is crushed by the crushing load of a 73,000 hiv page tax code. >> washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> for the life of me, i don't know why we have xig ma tiezed vocational education. weldors make more money than philosoph philosophers. we need more welders than philosophers. if we do that -- >> all right, so the candidates spoke well. did they speak the truth? not 100% that entire time.
with me my colleague tomtoryman with some fact checks on what the candidates said in milwaukee. tom, let's begin with dr. ben carson. i know he was talking specifically about the minimum wage and how that would affect was raised. was that -- what exactly? >> well, his basic claim is every time you raise the minimum wage it raises unemployment in the country. it's a favorite talking point of some of the conservatives in this country. here's the problem with that statement, though. even when you say something like that, the facts just don't bear it out. look at these years. every year here the minimum wage raised -- you can see in 1950 it was very small -- it went up but look at the number of unemployed people over the next year. in every case, it went down. now, that doesn't mean every time you raise the minimum wage it goes down. but his claim that it always goes the opposite way is also not true. the bottom line is, raising minimum wage raises unemployment
is just false, brooke. >> that's interesting. on to senator marco rubio, got a huge applause for his comments about welders making more than philosophers. is that true? >> well, this is an interesting claim here. welders make more money than philosophers. big applause. a lot of people get that. sort of attacking the idea that you have to have people do physical jobs in our country. they really matter and this whole idea that everybody else should be in this arrow indict world of higher education is not necessarily how it works. the problem with this statement is that the numbers from the bureau of labor statistics show that the average income for someone with a philosophy degree, $63,640, average salary for a werld is $37,420. it's a little confusing because there are a lot of people with philosophy degrees that doesn't mean they're sitting around being philosophers. they have a philosophy degree and go do something else, like teach at a college or maybe they have a completely different job.
and welders, there are a lot of different types, some of whom make a whole lot of money. you might argue if you took all the welders who had college degrees they might go higher, too. but as a simple statement philosophers versus welders, you have to say that what he said is also false. >> okay. what about carly fiorina and ted cruz talking last night about the tax code. set it up. what were they saying? >> well, we're all heading for that time in the spring where we have to deal with taxes. she says the tax code is 73,000 pages long. boy, that's an awful lot of pages to try to grind through. the problem is that the tax code itself is only some 2,000 pages long. there are thousands, tens of thousands of pages, up to 73,000, explainingi how to use the tax code. they're not tech ltechnically p the tax code. you have to give her credit for
that. as for ted cruz, he says the tax code has more words in it than the bible. >> yeah. is that true? >> well, you can argue that i'm not sure why that matters except it does make the point that the tax code is complicated. many people, democrats and republicans, agree it's not only complicated but too complicated. and, yeah, if you do a word count on the tax code itself and the bible, yeah, the tax code comes out way higher than the bible. although you might invoke either document when you're trying to get it through it all. >> tom foreman with what is right and wrongs, false, truth. go to cnn.com/reality check for all the facts. there were many more than the three we highlighted. let's continue the conversation. i have katrina a former contestant on season one of trump's "reality show" and kelly ann conway, republican pollster the head of the polling company.
ladies, thank you for being with me. i actually -- we just turned around some sound. jeb bush was just speaking in iowa, talking about how he thought he did in the substance of the debate last night. let's just pause for a moment and all hear that for the first time together. >> i don't know what his views are. my views are that we need to fix our immigration system by securing the border, narrowing the number of people that come by family expanding the people that come based on economic need for our country, dealing with the extended stay visa challenge. all of these things need to be done in a comprehensive way. and i think i have the skills to do it. i mean, this is not -- there are more complicated things than this. this president has let us down by not being serious about border enforcement and not engaging with republicans to forge consensus. he uses this as as wedge issue and we don't win politically with this, but we can win policywise. [ inaudible question ]
>> i've heard his views, that he believes you can round up 500,000 people a month. just assume for a moment that there would be due process. i haven't heard mr. trump's views on, that but i assume in our country that that actually -- people would consider that to be worthy of consideration. 500,000 people basically i think would double the number of people processed through our judicial system. it's not possible. it's just not possible. i think there's a better approach, a practical approach, conservative approach that solve thz and does it in a way that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and respects american values. >> so that's a piece of what jeb bush is saying there in of course the first caucus state in iowa. kelly ann, let me turn to you. here he is, has this new push, new campaign slogan. he's hanging in there.
met with donors apparently this morning. can supporters, will they be able to support someone who just is a bad debater? >> he's not a particularly great candidate either and probably not for these times. you know, the conservative movement, brooke, is always looking for the next reagan. they've decided they're looking for the next reagan, let's stop picking bushes. just right there, the clip you showed from i guess today, he's out of step with what people in iowa and all across the country in the republican caucuses believe about illegal immigration. that's a deal breaker for many of them, whether it's marco rubio and the gang of eight amnesty, the act of love comments that jeb bush has made. they're out of step. the base may say, but you're going to be a good steward of the domestic economy. i can trust you, you'll dwight isis, put putin in his place. maybe they'll look past it. but so far the deal breakers are haunting people like this who if they don't perform well in debates it exacerbates the
underlining problem. i thought bush had a better debate last night because he embraced his inner self. he's nerdy. nobody asked, jeb, what's your favorite color? they asked him policy questions. >> katrina, do you agree? thus far listening to someone who has had a lot of money, super pac. i think the base has really tried to rally around him. but at the end of the day, he's really been languishing in the polls. you know, i don't know if you agree that he had a great night last night, but is he cutting it? >> well, i think the debate last night was actually so classy. i think the moderators did such a great job and the fact that the candidates were allowed to speak longer i think did everybody justice. >> but on jeb bush specifically. >> well, i think jeb bush is somebody that doesn't have as much passion, as much respect as i have for him. i think our country needs somebody who is extremely passionate and has guts.
i think that's what people are failing to see with bush. but did he do better? absolutely. i just don't think it's enough. >> let me play this other. we talked about the immigration exchange last hour. this is the other exchange that really stood out to me, more or less the conversation about who's the better conservative? here's that. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the united states is the strongest military power in the world. >> marco, marco, how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government you're not paying for? how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs that you're not going to pay for. >> may i respond? >> quickly, senator. >> we kent even have an economy if we're not safe. there are radical jihadists in the middle east crucifyi ining
christian and beheading people, the chinese taking over the south china sea. yes, i believe the world is a safer -- no, i don't believe. i know the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> katrina, you can hear the crowd. that was one of the big moments of the night. what do you think that was about? >> well, i think rubio did phenomenal last night. i think one of the -- my favorite point that's he made was actually about family, which he got attacked for. he said that when people have chirnl they should actually get some of the tax money that they've paid back because child education is so important now and the children really are our future. and he got attacked for saying that. i think he is an ultra conservative and he believes family is so incredibly important and that our safety as a nation is also extremely vital, which are definitely conservative values. >> kellyanne, on the notion of who's more conservativconservat
undercard you had jindal pushing christie on the same exact thing. >> right. >> who are they speaking to? >> they're speaking directly to the voters. i that's why i think the debates are important. they're a form of direct democracy. a pure form of it. most americans can't afford to pay the freight to go see candidates in person at a fund-raiser, an event. they can click on their computer or the tv and they can hear what these people stand for and what they stand on. you know, the next voter complaints, i just don't know what they stand for, why don't they tell us? you're not paying attention. you're watching something else. say what you want in the democratic debate and republican debates so far, there's been a lot of talk of policy. to answer your question, though, most of the republicans you can't put a piece of tissue paper between them on abortion or on the military or on education, local control versus federal control. but where the fault line lies in the republican party now is, are you a committed small government
conservative, or are you a big government republican who will spend and spend? rick santorum in 2012 won, what, nine primaries and caucuss? what tripped him up is not his fall values positions. that was resonating. it's when people were saying, you're a serial earmarking. you spent a lot of money in the house and senate long before earmarks became robot to republican. rand pushed that argument and that was rand paul's best debate by far last night. he got back to the libertarian ways. it's not all for legalization of marijuana. it's are you for small, less affective government. he was pushing rubio on that. >> one other bit i want to play. this is donald trump. by the way, carly fiorina not only the one to be interrupting and interjecting. but specifically this is donald trump calling carly fiorina and dana bash caught up with her. >> ronald reagan was strong,
but -- >> ronald reagan walked away at rec avic. he quit talking. >> can i finish? >> he quit talking -- >> why does she keep interrupting everybody? why? terrible. >> i'd like to finish my response basically. >> do you think gender had anything to do with it? >> well, ask yourself. people were interrupting each other all night long and suddenly when i make a point mr. trump has to say, i wonder why she keeps interrupting. but it's typical of him. that's the point. it's typical. he finds a reason to insult virtually everyone he stands on the stage with eventually. tonight it was my turn. >> i will say donald trump today with jeff zeleny sort of walked back, said he's learning and didn't really take the bait from reporters the day after. but do you think that there is some truth, kellyanne to what carly fiorina is saying? i know she's had a bigger conversation about conservative women versus more liberal, left leaning women and how they're
not treated as fair. >> i've been in republican politics for a long time. i walk into a meeting and i feel like i'm in the elk's club or golf club or locker room. that's the price we pay. i think it was good when they took on donald trump on the cnn debate where she took him on about her face because it was very -- >> she had to. >> she had to. it was a very difficult box for him to come out of. i think she's a beautiful woman. he tried to walk it back. that's probably more effective. is there a double standard? i came out of the 2008 elections with hillary clinton as the democrat running for president, sarah palin as the republican running for vice president. i felt icky for my daughters. i was like, you can do whatever you want, but don't run for president. nobody talks about the bellies and the combovers in congress. it's the shoes and bags, do they match. >> amen, don't get me started. thank you both very, very much. great discussion. speaking of hillary clinton,
democratic front-runner hillary clinton also a big presence at the debates last night. her name mentioned dozens of times. does that signal a shift in the republican race? plus, new information on that fiery crash, plane crash, in ohio that killed nine people. one witness saying that the plane up and dropped out of the sky. what we've now just learned from the ntsb, the latest on their investigation. also ahead, the fbi says it stopd three white supremacists from plotting the beginnings of a race war. who they were allegedly targeting, coming up here on cc cnn. te seafood celebration where new seafood combinations like the new grand seafood feast are stepped up, spiffed up, jazzed up... yeah, this stuffed lobster tail, handcrafted brown butter scampi, and jumbo hand-battered shrimp are that good. or try the new ultimate wood-grilled feast. that bourbon brown sugar glaze gets ya preeetty fired up.
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staying on politics, she wasn't even on the stage, but it was clear she was front and center. i'm talking about hillary rodha% clinton. she was mentioned dozens of times during the fourth republican debate just last night in milwaukee. >> imagine a clinton presidency. >> when the fall comes and we run against hillary. >> hillary clinton doesn't want one minute on that stage with me next september. >> when i look at somebody like hilary clnten. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton embodies the cronyism of washington. >> hillary clinton is coming for your wallet, everybody. >> we must beat hillary clinton. >> what do you think is going to happen when hillary clinton is elected president of the united states? >> carly fiorina can beat hillary clinton. >> we cannot let hillary clinton, who is the worst secretary of state in the
history of our country, win this election. >> hillary and the democrats promise everything on the spending side. >> this is also smething hillary clinton agrees. >> bernie sanders and hillary clinton won't tell you that that's the thing that's really hurting the middle class and poor. >> wait until you see what hillary clinton will do to this country. >> hillary clinton's approach to this is more topdown, more regulation, more passes. >> hillary clinton says -- >> hill i clinton. >> hillary clinton wants to suppress that. >> this president and hill i clinton -- >> it may be the best that hillary clinton can do but it's not the best america can do. >> they're doing high-fives in the clinton kpaint when they hear this. >> i think it's fair to say you're not fans of hillary clinton's resumresume. >> gloria borger, all smiles. if one were to have played a drinkinging game, that would be the one to do that with. clinton camp must love that, right? >> sure. and look, it's good politics for the republicans and the undercard debate it was really
chris christie who took on hillary clinton most directly. and i think in the second debate it was jeb bush who kept mentioning her over and over and over again. and what that's about is telling a republican audience that, i'mi'm i'm the person who can take on hillary clinton. i'm the candidate who's the most electable ayinde can take her on on the issues. it's also a way for jeb bush in particular to avoid, say, taking on marco rubio who he didn't have such a great luck taking on in the last debate, right? so it's a lot easier to take on somebody who's not on the stage than somebody who is, although i would argue, brooke, that what we heard last night in this debate was a lot of internal, subtan tiff disagreement between the republican party about how they move forward on key issues. >> we heard about a lot of the key issues. this really was issues,
substantive, quickly, beyond i can take on hillary. was it about who's the biggest conservative's conservative? >> well, it was major disagreements on immigration reform, for example. do you build the wall and deport people? kasich called trump silly on that. how do you take on russia and vladimir putin? bush taking on trump on that, saying this isn't a board game, we can't allow putin to do our work for us. we've got to lead in this world. it was about spending priorities. do you do child care tax credits? how much do you spend for defense? and it really was an argument about the future of the republican party, which republican primary voters i would argue deserve at this point in iowa and new hampshire as you're heading into this race because these candidates actually, once you set aside all the personal differences -- and they don't like each other as you could tell last night --
there are real differences in how they would approach important issues going forward, brooke. >> got to highlight those differences. gloria borger, thank you so much. >> absolutely. still ahead, indictments come down against one of the 100 people involved in the deadly biker shootout in waco, texas. details on what kinds of charges they will likely face. salt. pepper. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it. panera. food as it should be. when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp." life reimagined gives you tools and support to get the career you'll love.
so the ntsb has just held a news conference about the deadly plane crash in an ohio suburb. nine people, seven passengers, pilot and co-pilot, died tuesday afternoon just after their chartered jet smashed into this akron apartment complex. the plane, as you can see in the pictures, totally erupted into a fireball, destroyed the building, really damaging two others nearby.
investigators say thank goodness no one was actually inside any of the apartments when this happened. but obviously the question is what happened. no distress calls were made. federal investigators say they are reviewing a security camera video that captured the crash and the moments just before it happened. >> the video shows that the aircraft was flying at a low altitude and banking to the left. we have also examined the accident scene. the left wing hit the ground first and left a witness mark. then the aircraft hit half of an apartment building, destroying it, before running up an embankment behind the building and coming to rest. as far as we know, the pilot -- this was a first approach, but we'll be looking into all of the records that show and all of the communications that show this. we'll also be looking at weather and weather, in fact, is one of the key area that's we'll be looking at very carefully in
this accident. >> joining me now cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo. mary, you heard the official saying they'll look into weather, the jet company's ceo said he would be surprised to hear this would be because of pilot error. no distress calls. pilots were well seasoned. what kinds of questions would you be asking? >> statistically, if you look at the cause of accidents in this situation, your thoughts first go to something call control flight into terrain, often described to loss of pilot situational awareness or literally pilot disorientation. what that means is, when you're in bad weather -- and i think the weather at this airport was approaching the minimums, meaning kind of the weather gets as bad as it can get before you're not allowed to fly in. they were still able to go in. but what happens a pilot can get disoriented in this kind of
weather and literally drop too low or let the altitude come down too levels where they shouldn't be, and they literally can do what's called a controlled flight into terrain, cfit. however, with one wing dipping, one would suspect perhaps a problem with the engine on that particular side. and then eyewitnesss say they saw it hit a pole or wire, which means it dropped below altitude. another earwitnessing mentioned fluttering, which isn't a usual description for a problem with a jet engine. that's more clues that the ntsb will have. >> we also know they're talking to a separate pilot safely landing a separate plane just before this plane would have landed, presumably asking about conditions and even weather. we know that this plane, the airport, there was no control tower? is that fairly common at really small airports? >> yes, actually it is. you know, we have about 468 passenger service airports, and
we have several thousand controlled airports.% and if you look at all of our airports in total, we probably have 16,000 airports. so there are lots of airports without anzw air traffic contr tower. but for a problem where you're coming in to land and you're below where you should be on altitude usually it's not a problem with an air traffic control tower. they were lined up for the runway. they were simply too low. i think they'll be looking at controlled flight into terrain, which is pilot error, or some problem with the engine given what earwitnesses and eyewitnesss have said and that pilot that landed just before them is going to be very important to tell them about the weather and what they say when they broke through the clouds and saw the runway. >> we will follow the ntsb investigation. i understand family members are just arriving there on the scene in akron. mary schiavo, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next, three men arrested in virginia for allegedly plotting to start a race war.
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an alleged race war plot stopped after an fbi sting uncovered two virginia men accused of being white supremacists. they were allegedly planning to bomb african-american churches and synagogues. the fbi says they were arrested after they tried to buy illegal weapons from an undercover agent. the fbi also says these two men were plotting to rob and kill a
jewelry store dealer with the help of a third man also arrested. let's go straight to our justice correspondent evan perez with more on this. what were they planning to do, evan? >> it's a really remarkable story, brooke. these two men are alleged white supremacist who practice a pagan religion according to the fbi. they say they were planning to rob and kill businessmen and use the money to create a race war. now, the fbi says that back in september they learned that there was a meeting involving these two men and that there was going to be a discussion about carrying out shooting and bombing attacks on black churches and joourish synagogues. that's when the fbi decided to set up a sting and these two men allegedly met with an undercover agent who was acting as an illegal arms dealer. according to the fbi, they placed orders for automatic weapons, explosives and a pistol with a silencer. and when these men allegedly attempted to buy the guns is when the fbi made the arrests earlier this week. now, the fbi says that it
learned through confidential sources and wiretaps and surveillance that these men were concocting to kill a jeweler as well as purchase land to stockpile weapons and train for what they thought was going to be an upcoming race war. there was another arrest of another man for conspiracy to commit robbery, the third man arrested. the fbi says these men were a long way from actually targeting any religious institution, but we expect them to appear before a federal judge tomorrow. that's when we might learn more, brooke. >> thanks to the fbi. plot thwarted. evan perez, thank you. indictments have finally been handed down here more than 100 people involved in that deadly, gruesome biker shootout in may in waco, texas. the latest on that case coming up next. ven. i am the butler. these dogs shed like crazy. it's like being inside of a snow globe.
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take away your trash and your happy memories. always enjoy and protect our marine habitats. more than a hundred people now indicted for engaging in criminal activity at the shootout at a biker rally in texas. in fact, we have some of the video here, absolute mayhem after this whole thing gets going. this is back in may at the twin peaks restaurant in waco. a gun battle erupts between rival biker clubs. when it's all over, nine people were dead, $18 wound. joining me now, lisa ling, host of "this is life" here on cnn. i want to talk about your episode coming up tonight. but first, i would be remiss not talking about the fact that you got incredible access to for your show to a biker -- the club the mon goals, not the group
involved in this particular shootout, but take me back. what did you learn about -- i don't know, is it the culture of silence that would make these cases so tough to prosecute? >> i think one of the reasons why this case in particular would happen in waco, texas, is so difficult isn't so much that culture of silence, even though there certainly is a culture of silence in the biker world, but most of the people who were involved are on gag order. they're not allowed to speak. and i know this because i actually spoke to the wife of the bandido who was killed in that shootout, and she said that, we're all in the dark because no one involved is able to talk about it. now, there are allegations that some of those bikers may have actually been killed by police because there was such a heavy police presence. so as of now, until the trial begins, i think everyone is going to continue to be in the dark for a while. >> from bikers to the coroner's
office. here you are, new episode tonight "this is life," 9:00 eastern. you take us inside the los angeles county coroner's office. here is a clip. >> in this room, who has the most bodyies? >> mike. >> how many do you think you've collected? >> between 11,000 and 13,000. >> wow. >> yeah. >> but even more employees as seasoned as mike, some cases still stand out. are there case that's haunt you? >> sometimes. i went to a call once. it was a little boy that ran into the street and he got hit by a car. so he was laying there. it was a little hispanic kid. i was looking at a little boy the same age -- i could see my son there. and i looked across the street and i saw the parents. it could be me and my wife. it really affected me.
>> wow. that has to be a special kind of person to be willing to do that kind of work day in and day out. >> absolutely. the kinds of things they see and do and smell every day, it really does require a unique kind of person. you know, took a year to get access into the los angeles county medical examiner's office, which is the largest coroner's office under one roof in the united states. you know, it's a nondescript building in downtown los angeles that i've passed many, many times because i live in l.a. and inside that building is a crypt that holds up to 500 bodies. for every one of those bodies there's a story, and this episode even though it's about death, even though there are things that you will see that might make you uncomfortable, it's a very moving and emotional episode. and it really changed me working on this. you know, my father has been
getting very forgetful and i was living by -- by himself for a long time. and after i worked on this episode i moved him in with me because the idea of something happening to him while he was alone was just too much for me to fathom. and because i followed coroner investigators to scenes in which, you know, people had been decomposing for days, having died alone. and so it's an episode, again, it's a very powerful -- at any given time if anyone in this country dies suddenly. if you get hit by a car or have a heart attack, you could be seen by a coroner immediately and taken to a coroner's office. we just happened to visit and spend time with the busiest one. >> eerily fascinating, lisa ling. thank you so much for sharing. we will tune into the new episode of "this is life" 9:00 eastern and pacific here on cnn tonight. lisa ling, thank you. we'll be right back.
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in honor of veterans day really have been looking forward to sharing this story with you of a veterans group helping other retired service members find a sense of purpose thousands of feet in the air. here is cnn's chris moody. >> we're in the belly of a very special plane known as whiskey 7. it flew over normandy in world war ii. we're going to go sky diving out of it with the all veteran parachute team. >> the all veteran parachute team is a team of retired military. we still have some active duty guys that have a passion for
giving back. >> it's a hell of a rush. >> we do parachute demonstrations all over the world from the east coast to west coast. we basically jump out of airplanes. veterans feel like once they leave the military that they're not important anymore, that their mission is done. we want to show veterans that you can still use your skill sets. you still are important. >> mike elliot founded the group. he took former president george h.w. bush, also a veteran, sky diving multiple times for his birthdays. >> no one was aware not even the secret service was aware of it. you have a world leader in your hands and he trusts you to throw him out of an airplane. and when he told barb that he was jumping she walked up to me and said if you kill him, i will kill you. >> today elliot has teamed up with the national war plane museum in new york which owns whiskey 7. >> whiskey 7 has a soul. a spirit and you can feel it.
>> last summer the plane returned to normandy for the 70th anniversary of d-day. whiskey 7 was the lead plane in the second wave of the invasion. to this day veteran pilots who flew this type of plane still come to visit and reminisce like it was yesterday. >> oh, it looks bigger than it used to. i never forget there was a front right between us. and it looked it front of me and it looks like a solid thunderstorm. so we headed straight into it. and you looked out and you had two disks of fire on each side. if you're in danger, you don't think about the danger. you think i'm going to get
through it. >> getting in this aircraft and hearing the engines start up, you get this bone chilling feeling that goes through your body. it's an overwhelming experience. this never goes away. >> oh, chris moody, so good. >> thank you. >> i love the barbara bush line, if you kill him, i will kill you. >> and that's classic barbara bush. anyone who's ever known her she's very forward. >> so it was a bit of a rush. you did it. these guys have done it. what is it about -- i was talking to a veteran last hour who just summited mt. kill m kilimanja kilimanjaro, talk about that. what is that about that that's so important to them? >> the founder of the organization mentioned to me a lot of service members may get out of the military and feel like, well, what's the mission now, what's my purpose. and he wanted to show them you do have a purpose. you learned skills while you
were a service member that you can still apply. and also they work through a lot of service members who may be suffering ptsd, taking them sky diving. some may find it liberating. and it's really a wonderful mission that they have. >> what is it about that sense of purpose that you think -- you've talked to a lot of veterans. i have veterans in my family, i have a family member buried in arlington. it's so important for the rest of their lives. >> many say while they're in that mission it's the most important thing on their minds and then they achieve it. and then it's over. and they have to channel that energy. and there's guys like the all veteran parachute team that help facilitate that. >> incredible. all veteran parachute team. i'll climb mountains, jump off of mountains, i would not jump out of planes. quickly, you would recommend this? >> absolutely. it was a world war ii plane that flew over normandy. the plane is owned by the national warplane museum which has restored it and they fly all over the country. >> chris, thank you so much for sticking around new york and
talking to me today. i appreciate it. thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you have done and do for our country. thank you so much. and that is it for me. i'm brooke baldwin. see you back here this time tomorrow. in the meantime we go to washington, d.c. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, brooke. battle lines being drawn. "the lead" starts right now. donald trump saying he put together a deportation force to carry out his plans as president as he and other republicans clash over immigration, military might and more. the candidates showing their hands in some deep divisions. a plane falls from the sky, crashes into an apartment building and bursts into a fireball in the middle of america's heart land. why did it miss the airport? how did this happen? plus, the men and women who fought, who've seen horrors they cannot unsee, so many, too many spending this veterans day living on