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thanks very much for watching. please be sure to join us here tomorrow in "the situation room." i'm wolf blitzer in washington. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, rubio and cruz on the rise after their strong debate performances. can donald trump and ben carson still lead the pack? plus, metrojet 9268. how a split second of audio can solve the mystery. a special investigation. and a black man dies in police custody after being tased repeatedly. was it excessive force? you won't believe what you see. let's go "outfront." ♪ good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, rising stars, marco rubio and ted cruz sounding like a candidate trying
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to seize the moment. >> we have to force the opportunity. not just to save the american dream but to expand it to reach more people and change more lives than ever before. >> ted cruz sounding equally confident, turning from his republican rivals and directing his fire at the democrats. >> how fantastic is it to have so many young, dynamic, charismatic candidates standing on that stage? [ applause ] and what a contrast. you know, i think the first democratic debate was hillary and the chipotle clerk. >> but do they have what it takes to stop the front-runners? donald trump and ben carson. sunlen serfaty has the coverage.
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ted cruz got rave reviews. >> reporter: he did, erin. both marco rubio and ted cruz really registered strong debate performances for a second time in a row so this certainly could set the stage for potentially a big rubio versus cruz battle ahead. >> the time to act is now. >> reporter: marco rubio hitting the campaign trail today in iowa. fresh off another widely praised debate performance. >> this election is not simply a choice between republicans and democrats. this is a generation choice. >> reporter: among the florida senator's standout moments, squaring off with rand paul on policy. >> i believe the world is a stronger and a better place for the united states with the strongest military power in the world. >> marco, how is it conservative -- how is it
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conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government that you're not paying for? >> we can't even have an economy if we're not safe. >> i believe the world is a safer -- no, i don't believe. i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. >> reporter: rubio also scoring points with his populist receipt ri rhetoric. >> we need more welders and less philosophers. >> reporter: that statement is not the only senator to shine last night. ted cruz competing in the surging lane wasting little time going after the washington steebment. >> washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible and not a one of them is as good. >> reporter: the conservative firebrand also slamming critic who is say his immigration
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position is too harsh. >> the democrats are laughing. democrats as the party of n - amnesty, we will lose. >> reporter: cruz and rubio eclipsing party front-runners who took more of a do no harm approach last night. >> we will have a wall. the wall will be built. >> what i do have a problem with is being lied about. >> could the gop primary fight ultimately come down to rubio and cruz? texas senator recently told cnn's jake tapper it could happen. >> listen, i'm not sure it will come down to marco and me. i like marco. he's a great guy. there are a lot of political observers saying that and i think that's certainly a plausible outcome. >> reporter: and ted cruz last night giving a few big hints that he's already looking forward to that potential matchup between the two, really previewing lines of attack that he's just lining up against rubio when and if the rest of
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the field is widdled down. >> sunlen, thank you. you have the debate performance of marco rubio and ted cruz. meantime, the big question is, what about jeb bush? his town hall is going to begin in a few minutes. athena jones is live in iowa. does the bush camp think that jeb saved his candidacy last night or not? >> reporter: both jeb bush and his campaign feel he did well. we sue a very confident jeb bush. he was in good spirits. he liked having the opportunity to spend a little more time answering those questions, delving more in to policy. but he also says he's going to continue to get better. they were all pleased with his performance. they say he's looking more comfortable on the debate stage, had no major stumbles.
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the campaign put together a highlighting reel highlighting his best moments like his attacks against hillary clinton and also his argument against donald trump that the u.s. needs to be a leader in the world and in the fight against isis. the campaign is also issuing a fundraising appeal offering reporters to donate after this debate performance to help keep the momentum going. while governor bush said the contrast should be with hillary clinton, he kept most of his fire on her last night, not so much like his opponents, like marco rubio. he said people should show up to work to do the job that they were hired for. we should hear more of that. >> absolutely, going after marco rubio again on the trail. athena, thank you very much. i want to go to ana navaro. also with me is gloria borger and radio host ben ferguson.
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ana, by many accounts, rubio was the star last night. he's your friend. your money has been on jeb bush. athena reported a fundraising e-mail today. is it going to work? did marco rubio just simply outshine jeb bush again last night? >> there is no doubt that marco rubio and ted cruz are incredible debaters. they are also senators. that's a lot of what u.s. senators do, spend their days debating on the floor of the u.s. senate. and, you know, let me not pretend that marco rubio does not have sheer, raw political talent. you've heard me say it over and over again. he is a very, very talented political candidate. as it ted cruz. they are very smart, they think outside the box, quick on their feet, humorus and witty. they have consistently
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delivered. if they don't, it's going to be a huge issue. >> all right. i hear you there, ana. now let's talk about jeb. >> listen, i think jeb gets the most improved award of the night. you know, i think he was 100% better than the last time where he absolutely sucked wind. you've heard me say it many times on the air. he did what he had to do. i think he had a solid performance. i think he heard the criticism. i think he worked really hard the last ten days to improve. he finally understood that it's not only about policy. it's also about performance and he went out there and he did it last night. >> ben? >> we're not giving out trophies here in first grade for most improved player on the teeball team. we're talking about the presidency of the united states of america and if the best talking points we have for jeb bush is he got most improved over the last ten days, i think it really sums up his entire campaign. it's in trouble right now. these debates matter and people are looking at them and at some
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point i think we might be talking about ana navaro being former bush supporter, current marco rubio supporter because jeb bush did not have a good night last night and he doesn't need to get most improved. he needs to actually win a debate and it doesn't look like he has the ability to do that at all. >> he doesn't need to win a debate. >> sure, he does. he's done in the polls. >> nobody expected jeb to win the debate. what he has earned himself is a shot to live another day to fight another day and he's going to continue doing it. there's no doubt that the debates are having a huge influence but there's more to campaign and winning than just that. >> i agree. >> gloria, can you win the nomination of the presidency if you can't win a debate? >> well, can i remind everyone here that barack obama was not a terrific debater and remind everyone there was a very crucial debate in the last presidential election against mitt romney where the president didn't seem to show up for the
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debate? >> that's true. >> and, you know -- >> they came back. >> well, he did. but jeb bush is not a natural attack dog. that's not his strength. i don't think he's ever going to be one of these folks out of the box like a jack-in-the-box on the debate stage because he would have to pretend something that he is not. what we saw last night was smebody who was a little more focused, who was able to take it to hillary clinton, which he did over and over again, and that was his way of telling potential voters out there, you know what, he might be he electable. >> let me show you this moment. this is a moment from last night getting a lot of attention at a commercial break. we didn't all see this but, of course, the cameras recall rolling. rubio appears to walk over to bush. bush appears to shake his head. rubio immediately turns around and goes over to donald trump. so people are saying, look, bush
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didn't want to talk to his former protege there but bush didn't go after him directly there. deon the trail, going after him for his lack of experience. why did bush skip last night? why did he go after rubio? >> i think it was because the debate format did not promote it or provoked it. it did not provoke fights among the candidates. >> it was not a debate, for lack of a better word. it was questions to each candidates. >> about that little snippet that you just showed. i know these men very well. i remember trying to get jeb bush under the same roof in the same sit code as charlie crist and that was really, really hard. when jeb bush really doesn't like somebody, you can tell a mile away and the same goes for marco rubio. cubans aren't good at masking their emotions. these guys are friends.
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they like each other. >> friends? >> this stuff can be weird. it can be tough. it can be awkward. >> okay. >> but sorry to burst the metal bottle -- >> i don't think these people like each other. >> thank you for the b.s. meter. >> none of these guys like each other and they were all restraining themselves last night. one of the reasons i think that jeb bush did not attack marco rubio is that he's so bad at it and he failed at it so miserably last time that i don't think he wanted a do-over on it so i think he decided not to. all of these guys, kasich calling trump silly, if you'll recall, his immigration policy. >> we're getting down to the really big fighting moments of the campaign and that is why i think it's so shocking, honestly, last night that jeb bush did not throw a punch. i think really he understands his own limitations now. you don't want to go toe-to-toe
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with marco rubio. that's one of the reasons why he's surging and having a good debate after a good debate after a good debate. we're talking about jeb bush here having an average debate and that somehow gives you most improved. >> well, why not let trump go after marco rubio for you which he didn't do last night but he's done on his twitter account, right? >> but it's always easier to throw those punching outside the ring. look at jeb bush, he was throwing punches at rubio and trump and everybody else because no one can counterattack. >> this was a different debate than we've seen so far. it was all about substance and policy and it didn't promote that kind of exchange. >> it should have played to jeb bush. literally, if you look at -- >> which is why he did well. >> he did not and should have. >> thank you all very much. next, the donald trump of this debate. this is the donaldtrump we have come to know. >> losers. we have losers. >> they are the worst. >> the worst i've ever seen.
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>> reporter: last night, voters saw a more respectful and serious donald trump. his post debate recap offering something rare. a compliment. >> i thought the moderators were elegant. i thought the questions were really, really on point. >> reporter: he even poked fun at himself. >> i don't think anybody did badly. >> >> reporter: those remarks in stark contrast. >> bush is not going to get us to the promise land, i tell you. this guy -- i don't want to say he's a stiff because that's too rude. >> reporter: marco rubio -- >> rubio, i've never seen a young guy sweat that much. he's drinking water, water, water. >> reporter: and lindsey graham. >> zero, zero. do you know who we have that has a zero?
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lindsey graham. >> reporter: even going after ben carson, a man he once said was too nice to attack. >> if you try and hit your mother over the head with a hammer, your poll numbers go up. >> reporter: hillary clinton has her own view of trump style. >> i think he's having the time of his life, you know, being up on that stage, saying whatever he wants to say. >> reporter: and clinton may be on to something. the stage may be the dividing line between the two trumps. but is one of those trumps presidential. something that he all but acknowledged his two personas earlier today. >> maybe i have to do that, you know. maybe that's the way i'm supposed to be. >> reporter: is that debates only or on the campaign stage? >> i think people would be disappointed if i was that way during a debate but during a speech, it's different. >> we have people who are morally corrupt. we have people selling this country down the drain. >> reporter: so while there may be a tale of two trumps, it's
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pretty clear which role he likes better and we're likely to see him sharpening those edges once again as he draws distinction with his rivals in campaigns more aggressively. but he did tell us today that tone is important and added one thing. maybe i'm learning something. erin? >> it is that. a bit more of a humble side of him perhaps that is winning some over. "outfront" now, katrina and s.e. cupp, our political commentator. there is donald making a case for why there's a tale of two trumps. is it working, though? you say it was a nonfactor in the debate. >> well, he might not acknowledge but i think most people would acknowledge that the debate is not where he does his best work. i think it's inarguable when you watch him at the town halls, there's a lot more energy, he's a lot more effective. he swings harder and it's easier to land punches against people who are not physically in the
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room. and i think when he tried to land punches at last night's debate against kasich, against certainly carly fiorina, they fell really flat and turned some people off and on policy, whether it was immigration or putin, i think most of the other candidates got the better of him on those issues. >> katrina? >> well, look, i think that donald trump is just donald trump. he is the same person every time, though he's a little more calm in these debates but he didn't really lose anybody. if you liked donald trump before last night, you liked him after last night. and even though -- and s. he wants to call them punches. he wasn't attacking anybody. there were perfect opportunities for him to do that and he passed, erin. >> so is this him acknowledging what s.e. said, debates may not be the best forum for him? >> i think anybody who is not a
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politician or a lawyer, for that matter, that's when you go and have 60 seconds to present a complex case. unless you are skilled in litigation, you can't do that very well. >> well, carly fiorina has had a number of great debates. she's neither a lawyer. in fact, she dropped out of law school and she's not a politician. >> she is a politician. >> no, she's not. she's never held elected office. >> she ran for senate. >> and lost. >> a full campaign. >> she's very good in debating. you don't have to be a politician to know stuff and come prepared. trump is best when he actually doesn't have to provide specifics, which is why he's great at these town halls. he's not great standing next to people who come armed with loads of facts and are prepared for the counterpunches that they are naturally expecting. >> you can also be fair and say maybe he doesn't talk about all of the specifics in the 60 seconds he's given but you can't deny that he, unlike the rest of the candidates, have full-blown
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policies on his website that he has pushed out and does talk about when he is out seeing the voters. >> well, he doesn't talk about them in great specifics and i've read the policy papers and they are very substantive. i'm not sure he'd be able to regurgitate them himself or elaborate on how they are implemented. in fact, people have asked him, can you tell us how you're going to deport 11 million people and shrugs off that opportunity to be specific and says, well, we'll do it humanely and it will be great through organization. i mean, he's gotten plenty of opportunities to be specific and decides not to. >> let me ask each of you about a story that will not go away. ben carson tonight said he would not abort baby hitler. all right, now, for people out there saying, what did erin just say? he asked if he would abort baby hitler. he said no. jeb bush said, hell, yeah, he
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would kill baby hitler. who had the better answer? >> i -- that is just very strange. this is another one of those strange things that ben carson says. and for jeb bush to say that, he's supposed to be a pro life candidate regardless of who the baby is. again, this is another example of the ben carson that we see out there saying the strangest things for the strangest reasons. it doesn't make any sense. >> s.e., is there a right answer to that question? >> they are both losers for answering a very stupid question. i mean, find me one voter. you find me one voter who cares about that question and i will allow any candidate to actually answer it. honestly, i'm going to write a book about the 2016 election and it's going to be called, would you have killed baby hitler and other questions that came up, like, does going to prison make you gay? what was actually in the egyptian paramid-s? i mean, some of this stuff is
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pure nonsense and whether you're jeb bush or ben carson or anyone else, sometimes you have to rise above, shake your head, figure out where the heck you are and say, that's crazy. i'm not going there. >> all right. thank you both very much. and for all of our viewers, tomorrow i'm going to sit down with donald trump. do not miss that interview. you'll see it tomorrow night at 7:00 "outfront." and next, flight 9268's black box, our special report. you're going to hear an explosion and see exactly how investigators figure out what it is. an "outfront" investigation. and then this shocking video showing a black man being tased by police officers again and again and again. he dies in custody. should those officers be charged? complicate things. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple. real simple. i'm talking easy like-a- walk-in-the-park,
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new developments tonight in the investigation of the crash of metrojet 9268. u.s. investigators say they still have no access to the wreckage. egyptian officials said yesterday that american investigators were invited to examine the american-maiden j
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american-made engines but ntsb says they are still waiting. when they see the wreckage, they may be extremely limited in what they are allowed to see. ren rene marsh is "outfront." what are you learning? >> the ntsb is prepared to help but they won't launch until they receive specific information about when and where the plane's engines will be brought for examination. now, the russian passenger planes pratt and whitney engines were made here in the united states and that automatically allows the ntsb to assist. with egyptian leading the investigation, the ntsb's access to the rest of the plane will likely be limited. that's according to a u.s. official. the engines alone will probably be the extent of what they get to inspect. they will be the first u.s. officials to get access to the
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plane. we do want to point out that the ntsb, as you know, are an accident investigation agency. they are not criminal. their purpose is to determine what caused the crash. erin, even though they are on standby to join this investigation, they will not make a move until they receive more information from the egyptians. so right now, the ball is in egypt's court. >> rene, thank you very much. we know that investigators have uncovered a sound, a sound, just a split second in the final moments of the cockpit voice recording. but how will they go about determining if that sound is from a bomb in miguel marquez with a special "outfront" report. >> reporter: that's what one half of one second of an explosion sounds like. here it is slowed down five times. in the metrojet 9268 investigation, france, too, quoting an investigator said something at the very end of the
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voice recorder sounded like a possible explosion. could that be possible? panam flight 103 was brought down by a bomb placed in the hug gauge hold. the bomb exploded as the jet was at 31,000 feet. the final moments captured on the cockpit voice recorder left little for investigators to work with. just 170 milliseconds. >> it's going to be loud enough to severely overload the input system to the cockpit voice recorder. >> reporter: in the final moment flight 103's voice recorder shows nothing on the pilot's mike and a recording of everything in the cockpit appears to capture a loud noise but investigators could never determine what it was. >> it is going to overload the microphone, the amplifier and recording system and cause
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distortion and that's telltale that something happened that was very quick, very loud. >> reporter: the voice recorder then indicates all power was cut to the system. >> it's not just about the voices on the voice data recorder. >> no. it's everything. you have to be a real detective and use every bit of information that is recorded on the recorder. >> reporter: investigators found the power cut itself this five millisecond investigation assigned all four of the plane's generators simultaneously seized. the only explanation, the disruption of the passenger cabin floor across its entire width. in other words, the massive jet in a fraction of a second split into pieces. the voice recorder also gave investigators a time reference for when the event occurred. eight seconds after that loud noise on the cockpit mike, ground radar tracking the plane
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showed not one blip but four before the plane was coming apart. and then 46 1/2 seconds after that loud noise, flight 103 crashed into the area surrounding lockerbie scotland. 270 people died. 11 of them were on the ground. >> it's pretty stunning. and when you hear the quickness of that sound and slow it down, it's still so quick. this is what they are looking at, this right here, one of the flight voice recorders. >> it's a flight data recorder. it's an older model, probably more similar to what was on 103. 9268 has a more updated one. when the power cut there, it cut completely. on flight 103, it kept going for a short bit of time because it was a tape then and slowed down a bit after the recording stopped. >> and this is a heavy thing. it's 40, 50 pounds? >> very, very heavy. they survive crashes. they are meant to survive
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crashes and are very robust. >> the bottom line is, when you hear that sound, which we'll play again for mary schiavo, it's not clear if they will be able to say if that's a sound from a bomb or something else? >> the air frame coming apart, they will be able to say it was something very fast and very loud. >> all right. thank you very much, miguel. "outfront" now, mary schiavo. you just heard that sound, just that split second of a sound. would that be enough? >> well, it's certainly not enough to, you know, conclusively determine what kind of bomb and where it could be placed, you know, how the plane came apart. but amazingly, in prior crashes, including some that i've worked on, that split second of a sound can be analyzed for so many different things, the length of the sound. that sound as compared with other known crash causes, such as twa 800 or a carrier in which
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the door came apart and then the frame came apart. what they do is compare the signature of that sound, the harmonics, the frequencies, and they take it apart line by line with the sound and compare it to other accidents. so it's possible to determine if it has the same sort of sound signature in harmonics and really can displace like the other crashes or bombings did. it's amazing what you can get out of it. >> would they be able to tell the magnitude of the explosion, you know, whether this was a five-pound bomb or two-pound bomb? all of that would be possible to bring a jet down like this, crucial to know which it was. will they be able to tell from this? >> well, hopefully they will be able to get some indication based on the magnitude of the explosion and they can also tell if there is -- you know, they are lucky, really. the distance from that to the microphones in the cockpit,
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there is one over the pilot and co-pilot and one there to collect the general sounds. they can sometimes tell the distance. it's truly amazing what these experts can do in the investigation because we have a database now of so many prior bombings, crashes or in-flight break-ups, you do have quite a bit of data to compare it with. >> thank you, mary. "outfront" next, newly released video. this man repeatedly tased by police dying in their custody. what happened? we're going to show you that in full. after this incredible shootout at a suburban strip mall, prosecutors indicting more than 100 people. we'll be live in waco. you know, meeting the residents and i had a gentleman stop me and ask me if i made his dinner. he had lost his wife recently, but i didn't know that. he made a remark to me about not sure he wanted to be there anymore, but he said something to me that has stuck with me to this day. after having your dinner, i think i want to stick around a while and that really meant something to me.
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tonight, we have new video of an unarmed black men who died in police custody. officers fired their tasers multiple times and it happened just outside of a hospital.
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here's the hospital. the man never got medical treatment from doctors. i want to warn you, what you will see here is graphic but it's an important part of the story. pamela brown is "outfront." >> reporter: this police video shows three officers in south boston virginia takesising a ma right outside of the hospital. he shortly after that died in police custody. they picked him up at a hotel after several 911 calls were made about noise. >> i've got you. i've got you. >> reporter: because of the way lambert was acting, they decided to take him to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. they say he made comments about murdering two people and hiding their bodies in the ceiling. >> we're going to take you to the emergency room and we're going to make sure you're good to go.
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>> reporter: inside the patrol car, police say he kicked out the window. then, the video shows lambert running straight into the hospital doors while handcuffed. >> get on your belly. >> reporter: he falls to the ground and the officers repeatedly ask him to roll over on to his stomach while threatening to tase him. he admits that he was on drugs. but instead of taking him in the emergency room, they take him to the jail. he's bleeding from breaking the squad car window. by the time they reach the police station, he appears unconscious in the back seat and was later pronounced dead at the hospital after going into cardiac arrest, according to the medical examiner's report. the report ruled the cause of death as acute cocaine intoxication but the family blames the police and they filed a $25 million wrongful death lawsuit alleging, quote, the
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officers' callous disregard and tasering him several times violated his constitutional rights to be free from cruel and unusual punishment. police denied the allegations saying his erratic action required the use of force. pamela brown, cnn, washington. and "outfront" now, paul callan, a former criminal defense attorney. you see this happening outside of a hospital. they never took him inside. he never got medical care. he got in the back of the squad car, was tased multiple times. on a very simplistic level, it would appear that they are clearly responsible. >> it appears problematic for the cops here because he's clearly mentally deranged when they pick him up and decided not to place him under arrest and decide to take him for medical care. when they get to the hospital and they are right in the place where he can be restrained,
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sedated with drugs, they change their mind and they say, all of a sudden, he's under arrest, we're going to take him to the precinct. so there's going to be criticism that they should have had a psychologist look at him, he should have been sedated at the hospital and maybe he would have survived this incident. >> the cause of death is accuse cocaine intoxication. people look at the taser and say certainly that had something to do with it. >> the plaintiffs that are bringing the case -- >> for $25 million. >> yes. they are going to say it had nothing to do with it. however, when you look at the report, it's cardiac arrest and the heart operates on electrical impulses. it's kind of easy to convince a jury that the taser maybe caused or contributed to the death and if that's proven and this conduct is reckless and way out of line, the cops could be held liable civilly.
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crime, including aggravated assault and murder after a wild and deadly shootout. the chaos, which we will warn you is graphic, was all caught on tape. in our exclusive video, you will see people running for their lives. ed lavandera is "outfront" with the new it was a shootout that looked like a scene out of a movie. 177 bikers arrested, nine killed, and 18 wounded. the chaos at twin peaks on surveillance video. a grand jury in waco, texas indicted 106 bikers where they could face 99 years many prisin. the district attorney says more indictments will come. >> we're not done. we have a lot of work and will continue to do that. my office is dedicated, as is the team to seeing justice is done in all of these cases.
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>> reporter: one of the indicted bikers is john wilson, president of waco's chapter of the motorcycle club. >> to me, it's ridiculous and i think these families are being sacrificed for somebody's political gain. >> reporter: wilson says he was on the restaurant's patio. when gunshots erupted, he ran inside. you can see him inside the restaurant ducking for cover. the charges cost him more than $100,000 in legal fees and lost business at his motorcycle shop. >> there may be half a dozen people there that committed a crime that day. but the vast majority of them didn't. >> reporter: some bikers are so angered by the criminal indictments, they are considering civil rights violation lawsuits there. >> there is major exposure here and i would hope they would let some people loose and say sorry, we're going to go after who actually participated in the violence and we're going to
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leave you guys alone. >> reporter: one of the bikers already suing, matt, spent almost three weeks in jail after the shooting. police reports obtained by cnn say he ran into the bathroom hallway as soon as the fight broke out. >> it was a nightmare. >> reporter: today he's not allowed to speak out because of a gag order but says as he walked out of jail, he thought the criminal charges would go away. >> i think in the end, when everything gets cleared up and my name finally gets cleared of all this, i think it would -- i can move forward from there. had i in any way believed that anything, any violence was going to have occurred, i wouldn't have been there. >> reporter: the charges aren't going away. he is also one of the 106 bikers indicted and facing serious prison time if convicted. >> ed, you've been speaking to bikers and attorneys. what are they telling you? >> reporter: most of the stuff we're told today we can't repeat
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but various attorneys pointed out the waco newspaper reported the grand jury met for nine hours and worked on these 106 indictments and attorneys pointed out the same thing, if you do the math on that, it works out to spending almost about six minutes on each of the individual cases, so they point to that as a reason why they are so angered. they believe those bikers were there and knew violence would erupt, erin? >> thank you very much. "outfront" next, jeanne moos with the guy who made good on his real life dream of flying like iron man. , husband, or human person can use progressive's name your price tool to take control of their budget. and while the men do the hard work of making money, she can get all the car insurance options her little heart desires. or the women might do the hard work of making money. [ chuckling ] women don't have jobs. is this guy for real?
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>> reporter: is it a bird, plane, a man in a jet pack flying around the statute of liberty. >> it was awesome. dream come true. i was having a blast. >> reporter: the actual blast off from a boat was fairly gentle, the founder of jet pack aviation david is the test pilot and yes, he and his chief designer had to get all kinds of approvals to pull this off. >> the faa asked what is it? is it? a jet? is that? >> reporter: the flight lasted about five minutes, the pilot uses hand controls and his body to steer. though he took one hand off the controls for a second. >> i soluted lady liberty on one of the passes i stopped and turned around and gave her a solute. >> reporter: he has been hooked on jet packs since he first saw james bond take off on one in a movie. for 10 years, he and designer nelson tyler have worked together. tyler helped design the rocket belt that sent up man for less
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than 30 seconds at the 1984 olympics. for the statute of liberty flight, the designer told his pilot. >> fly slow and careful and not too high. >> yeah, i didn't hear that message, i don't think. >> reporter: next thing you know, it was 100 feet up doing 65 miles an hour. mayman can imagine selling a jet back somewhere in the ballpark of $100,000. there are other devices that transform men into flying machines. some are big and bulky. others like these jet wings require take justify from a chopper and landing via parachute. he wants a jet pack like the one 007 wore. >> very practical. >> reporter: no well-dressed man should be without one, especially when taking liberties with a certain well-dressed lady. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. and thank you so much for
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