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$14,000. to her and the other veterans. thank you for your service and the families. >> did you hear pat? z? when is the last time somebody called out a x or z. >> great. it's time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> thank you so much. "newsroom" starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we begin with two breaking news stories in the war on terror. a major victory against isis. kurdish troops with the help f oust military have now chased out isis and retaken the city of sinjar. earlier today hundreds of kurdish troops poured in to
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sinjar on foot. they faced heavy gunfire. successfully takeing facilities. also breaking, jihadi john, may now be dead. the pentagon now confirming it pounced on a moment of opportunity. u.s. special forces taking aim with a drone strike. recovering all of this like only cnn can with our full team of experts. i want to start with cnn international senior correspondent nick paton walsh in iraq. >> reporter: may have declared sinjar as liberated but it isn't the full picture. there are still pockets of isis behind us. one potentially from that little bit of black smoke on the horizon behind me. but also we've come back from being done on the ground with
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the peshmerga. a bullet went over you are a heads. they responded with a lot of fire power. they said there was an isis sniper in one of the buildings. and one of their number they said about one of the two or three they had injured, that person was carried out to a nearby vehicle. still volatile in there. a swedish volunteer we spoke to. fighting alongside the peshmerga out of choice. he said there were tunnels and at one point barrels and explosives laid as a booby trap. every road you look at seems to be mined to some description. every building. rebuilding isn't much of a choice. you have to start from scratch. so many of these houses. once in in fact you have managed to clear out the remaining pocket of resistance here. but in barely over 24 hours has been retaken.
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by large numbers of peshmerga. perhaps isis simply didn't have the numbers or didn't want the fight or preferred the booby trapping to do the fighting for them. and also the coalition in the skies who quite clearly thanked by mr. basiny for their support have changed the dynamic of this fight making it possible for sinjar now to be back in the hands of those who are not isis, the kurds and potentially soon the yazidi family whose once lived there and suffered terrible persecution. a swift victory. many are hoping it heralds future swift victories. >> amazing report from nick. also breaking this morning. jihadi john, the masked man who terrorized the world with a series of brutal videos, may now be dead.
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here is what we know. according to the pentagon u.s. special forces targeted jihadi john in an air strike in raqqa syria. officials are still trying to determine whether the air strike worked but authorities are confident -- confident -- jihadi john was taken out flsmt an exclusive interview before that drone strike, president obama talked about the challenges facing allied forces. >> i don't think they are gaining strength. what is true is that from the start our goal has been first to contain. and we have contained them. they have not gained ground in iraq. and in syria it -- they will come in, they will leave. but you don't see the systematic march by isil across the terrain. what we have not yet been able to do is to completely decapitate their command and kro control structures. we've made some progress in trying to reduce the flow of
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foreign fighters and part of our goal has to be to recruit more effective sunni partners in iraq to really go on offense rather than simply engage in defense. >> all right. let's bring in cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. she has more on jihadi john. good morning. >> good morning carol. cnn has learned the u.s. military had been tracked jihadi john across raqqa since wednesday. and yesterday when they saw him step out of a building and get into a vehicle they took the shot. breaking overnight. the pentagon confirming u.s. special operations forces launched a drone strike targeting the masked isis executioner known as jihadi john. officials say after tracking him for days authorities are confident the drone strike killed the kuwaitty born british citizen identified as muhammed
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emwa emwazi. still they are awaiting final confirmation. >> it is a symbolic victory and it does bring closure to those families. >> officials say they knew it was emwazi when they took the shot. another official tells cnn emwazi was in a vehicle at the time of the strike near raqqa. emwazi appeared in a series of videos documenting the murders of several american, british and japanese hostages. he was often seen wielding a knife, only his eyes and hands exposed. taunting u.s. and british leaders. >> we'll continue to strike the next of your people. >> britain was working hand and glove with america over the jihadi john drone strike. >> this was an act of zechbts. it was the right thing to do. >> emwazi who is in his mid twenties grew up in london and
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graduated with a degree in computer programming before becoming radical rised. >> if the strike was successful, and we still await confirmation of that, it will be a strike at the heart of isil. >> the strike was carried out by the u.s. military's joint special operations command out of fort bragg north carolina, the same organization that helped plan the mission that killed obama bin laden. >> thanks so much. with me now to talk about all of this cnn senior international correspondent collars kah ward. and cnn military analyst. general, i want to start with you. you know iraq, you know this region well. explain to us why sinjar is so important. >> it is important for a couple of reasons, carol, first it lies along highway 47. and nick has been doing a tremendous job reporting from there. this will cut the supply lines
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between raqqa. you can draw a straight line from raqqa, sinjar into mosul. so this is a critically important line of communication to support the isis fighters in mosul. once you cut this line they are going to have problems getting supplies and reinforcing fighters there, which will set the conditions for an eventual attack into the that city to free it. it is important from that standpoint. it is also important psychologically for the kurds. this town of sinjar is in the kurdish regional governmental area. to retake this town to get the yazidis back. they have been asking -- the yazidis have beening if the kurds to do this for several months and it is ab important psychological victory to regain this for the yazidis, the kurds and countering isis. >> let's talk about the psychological effects with clarissa ward. the fact that sinjar fell so fast. how do people feel on the ground
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there? >> reporter: well carol, we're hear in lebanon, where isis is trying to distract the world from the fetes it is facing at the hands of coalition solders in sinjar by launching a attack on this largely shiite muslim neighborhood. 43 were killed in the attack. more than 200 were wounded and this is really the first instance we've seen of isis claiming responsibility for such a major attack. i don't know if you can see behind me there is yellow flags fluttering. those yellow flags are the hezbollah yellow flags. and hezbollah of course is fighting alongside the syrian regime inside syria. issis vowing to keep up the keep up the pressure by launching more of these types of sectarian attacks. really going for softer targets that make a big splash and that capitalize on sectarian divisions that already exist
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within the region because their main goal right now is to try to exploit those divisions and create an element of the chaos they can then step in and try to fill. >> interesting. now on the subject of jihadi john. general, jihadi john was supposedly killed by this drone strike. but wouldn't his body have been incinerated. is there any dna left to prove it? >> yeah but there are other ways to determine whether or not he was in the vehicle that was struck. and they had a constant presence and an overhead watch on him. i think they have got some pretty good certainty from everything that's been reported and they will probably get some other what are known as "atmospherics" in terms of reporting back from the individual whose probably gave intelligence where he was in the first place. they will be able to gain from them whether or not he was in fact killed.
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can we go back to sinjar for a second because the question you asked clarsz is a is very important. it appears to be a very quick victory and i'm hoping it stands but truthfully my experience in these similar situations where towns have been liberated and i think nick is probably seeing some of this. this is a quiet after the siege is complete. but that preludes some additional fighting. and you are seeing some underground tunnels. a whole lot of ieds. in fact in one time in a house after e with liberated a town a few minutes later was actually mined with rounds. so it is going to take a whole lot more fighting to clear this town of snipers of underground tunnels and ieds so the fight is not finished yet. >> thanks so much. still to come a political
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. donald trump is on the warpath for 95 minutes he said what no politician has ever said on the chaampaign trail. and the republican establishment is so concerned about the trump presiden presidency, they may draft this guy, mitt romney. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. believe me. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. [ applause ]
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i would just bomb those suckers. and, that's right, i'd blow up the pipe, i'd blow up the re -- i'd blow up every single inch. there would be nothing left. and do you know what? you will get exxon to come in there in two months. they will we build that sucker brand new, it will be beautiful. and i'd take the oil. >> foreign policy was just part of trump's rambling appearance in iowa last night. he also set sights on ben carson, devoting nearly ten minutes to ranting about the former brain surgeon, calling him damaged and comparing his temper to being a child molester. >> cautions an enigma. he wrote a book and in the book he said terrible things about himself. he said that he's pathological and that he's got basically pathological disease.
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if you are a child molest er, there is no cure. they can't stop you. pathological, there is no cure. he said he went after his mother with a hammer. he wanted to hit her on the head. or he hit her on the head or he wanted to hit her on the head. and i said wow. that's tough. so he went after his mother. this is in his book. this isn't me. i'm just trying to save you the cost of a book. so he's a pathological, damaged, temper -- a problem. >> no matter what trump says he never seems to take a hit in the polls and that has some in the gop establishment wondering if now is the time to panic. in the washington post this morning, robert costa writes it
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would have negative ramifications for the gop ticket up and down the ballot virtually assuring a hillary clinton presidency and ensuring the senate falls in democratic hands. robert, i want to start with you. are they really serious about drafting mitt romney? >> well remember, earlier in the year, romney teased a possible repeat run when he said he was thinking about it again and then bowed out after a couple of weeks. romney's friends say he is not moving towards a run but they are so panicked that privately they are e-mailing each other and actually gaming out a possible campaign should romney ever need to get in or be drafted in. >> so also in your article you
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talk about how everyone is loathe to attack trump. might that change now? >> this is changing. you are seeing a lot of candidates start to critique trump, say he's not experienced enough. not ready on foreign policy. but because trump is such a counter attacker he relishing the attack. campaigns like bush and rubio are reluctant to get into a fire fight with trump. >> so let's say mitt romney is brought into the picture. he's not exactly an attack dog. he's a reasonable guy. what he says -- i mean, what might that mean? >> to be clear, romney isn't moving towards iran. so i think what the romney chatter is reflective of is this angst within the republican establishment. but if romney got in he would not with an attack dog. he would be in a sense the last best hope for many of the republican establishment who don't think rubio has it, are
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concerned that bush isn't going to be able to survive the race. so that is why the discussion is heating up about romney. >> i know you have to catch a plane and i know you are talking from the airport. so aisle let you go. so john, why aren't the other candidates resonating with republican primary voters? >> well we've got a surreal situation in their own making. whether do you expect happens if you systematically purge the center? what do you think happens if you systematically compose a litmus test and pander to the extremes. you get a base of electorate compounded by caucuses and primaries that is susceptible to people with no experience because they have been trained to hate washington and hate government. so this is really -- about reaping whether you sew. play to the base the and purge
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the center. it is a problem. this is dynamic. trump has been in the top tier for longer than everybody right now. and when people attack him they have gone down. so this is a larger dynamic. and this is really a problem for republicans that they need to look in the mirror. >> so you have worked on presidential campaigns. whether do you do if you are a candidate and your opponent is donald trump? >> well first of all, you need to stand up for who you are and who you believe and draw a clear contrast rooted in principles. the problem is all the candidates end up contorting to try to play to certain segments of the base. and they need to understand that trump's appeal is bigger than rational politics. he's a demagogue. pumped up my high name idea and he's a entertainer. he's entertaining. and when he's no longer trying to presidential but goes on a 95 minute rant right now he gets a lot of press. and he can be witheringly
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accurate in his attacks even though they are essentially unscripted. i think what you need to do is president an argument based on who you are and drawing clear contrast. but that has not worked to date because you are dealing with someone who is essentially a celebrity, not a political leader. >> john avlon, thank you. and trump did respond to the --. saying the analogy doesn't get a rise out of carson calling it immature and embarrassing. and they add we all should pray for donald trump. still to come, the face of isis potentially taken out by a u.s. air strike. targeting jihadi john. and what this could mean for u.s. strategy moving forward. next.
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and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. jihadi john. the chilling voice of isis the man suspected of beheading american hostages james foley and steven sotloff may be dead. if the drone hit its target jihadi john was incinerated. british prime minister david cameron called the strike an act of self defense and a strike to the heart of isis. president barack obama talked with abc news before the drone strike and criticize d those lie ben carson for their. >> what do you say to those hey this would be easy. >> what i think is that he doesn't know much about it. and look, joshlgeorge, i think
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fair to say that over the last several years i've had access to all of the best military minds in the country and all the best foreign policy minds in the country. and i'm not running for office. and so my only interest is in success. and if i'm down in the situation room talking with people who have worked in these regions and have run major military operation operations from the chairman of my joint chiefs of staff joe dunford to individuals like general allen who was involved in iraqi operations back in 2007/2008 and they don't think it is easy. then it is probably not easy. >> cnn's fareed zakaria joins was more. how big would it be if the u.s. really did take out john.
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>> not legally much really much. it's emotion ally good. but we don't have any indication he was particularly important in the command structure. and one of the things we've learned about these organizations is particularly at this level, i would call this the mid level. you kill them. they recruit as fast as they can. if you get at the absolute top as we did with al qaeda, that is different there is no indication -- >> so if you took out el baggeddy that would be something. >> baghdadi would be something. the military guys directing lot of isis military strategy. but jihadi john is more symbolic. >> listen to what secretary of state o kerry said this morning. >> we are still assessing results of this strike.
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but the terrorist associated with dash need to know this. your days are numbered and you will be defeated. >> so john kerry talking tough. you will be defeated. your days are numbers. is that right? >> look, at a tactical level there is no question the united states and its allies can defeat isis. united states is the most powerful military in the world. it is allied with very powerful militaries in the region. isis is 30,000 lightly armed men in comparison to the u.s. military. the problem is what happens then? you know, we used to have in iraq this strategy, win clear hold. we can win, we can clear. how do you hold? the problem in iraq and syria in other words is there is a large portion of the country where there is a lot of discontented sunni whose don't like the iraqi government, who don't like the syrian government. isis feeds on that discontent. you defeat isis, unless you are willing to run the place, you
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have to find some local sunnis who have legitimacy. that is the piece and i think that is what president obama was really referring to when he talked about how difficult this is. militarily this is not that difficult. this is not the soviet union for chinese milt rate. the problem is who governs those sunni lands in iraq. and that is what we've always found. when we go in there the military part is easy. the political is hard. >> so a terrific example of what you are talking about is sinjar. we're all celebrating the kurds chased isis terrorists out of sinjar and took over the city. be thank you kurds can't put in place a government so what happens to sinjar now. >> and sinjar is meant to be on the way to mosul. who is going to govern? it can't be the kurds. the kurds are a minority and that would produce its own problems. so we need to find either some kind of pluralistic government that includes all of these minority groups, all of these groups. or we need to find the dominate
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group that has legitimacy. and look, we've tried this for ten years in iraq. it is very hard. that is where ben carson is profoundly wrong. this part of it is truly difficult. because these places are trying to figure out after 40, 50 years of repressive dictatorship who governs, how they govern. we're trying to help them but ultimately they are the ones that are going to make this work or not. >> fareed, thanks for stopping by. and by the way secretary of state cree will kerry will b fa guest this sunday at 10:00 eastern. and tells this. i don't think jihadi john deserves the attention. i think he's a coward and he doesn't deserve any publicity. henning traveled back to syria in 2013 to help victims of the
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civil war. he was described by those who knew him as the tireless and selfless volunteer who loved the syrian people. still to come. slammed by gop rivals and president obama. donald trump sits down with cnn to fire back at hiss critics on his immigration plan. ing, plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year. it's about having the coverage you need... plan well. enjoy life. go long.
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of your retirement today! donald trump heads to the sunshine state today where he is sure to talk about his immigration policy which is facing criticism from rivals and president obama. before the trip trump sat down and took them on directly. >> you do it through a process. you do it in a very -- >> but they are not going to want to leave --
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>> first of all -- first of all they are here illegally. if a person comes across the border and you send them right backs, the border patrol sends them right back -- >> yeah but what about -- >> excuse me. what is the difference between somebody that comes over the border for two day, he gets caught and they bring him back? and somebody who collins over the border he's here a year and you bring him back there is no difference. >> logistically in terms of finding them and getting them -- >> well you have to find them. >> -- that's why i'm trying to understand what you do. >> you can also do e verify. you know that. where the employers aren't going to be hiring them. >> i'm sure you will say you can do it cheaper but the number is big. >> these are people that don't know what they are talking about. >> they say 600 billion -- bigger than the department of defense budget. >> excuse me. they also say it is 15 billion dollars to build a wall that
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aisle do for s i'll do for six. illegal immigration each year costs between 200 and 300 billion dollars. i don't know if anyone gives you those numbers -- probably not. but when you include crime and others it is more. so 200 and 300 billion -- the way it is now. >> they pay taxes. >> who pays taxes? they pay very little. >> security state and local. >> what percentage of them? 10%? >> 24 -- >> do you know how few pay taxes erin? do you think an illegal immigrant getting money is going to pay taxes? some probably do because the employer insists on it. but percentagewise there is very little. it is a small amount pay taxes erin. they are here illegally. they are not paying taxes. i heard this one before too. i hear them all. what i do is i get things better. i make things really good. i fix things. and i'm a real fixer of things. not jeb bush.
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i'm a real fixer. i can really do things. one of the reasons the wall never got built, they couldn't get their environmental impact statement if you can believe it because something was in the way. so here is the thing. between everify, go back. and if they can't get a job they're going back anyway. >> are you going to be sending in officers a force of people -- >> we're going to be giving notice, we're going to be saying you have to go back to wherever the country is. it is going to be countries. all different countries. it is not one country. back to the country. we'll take them back to those countries. we're going to do it in a very humane way. but between everify and other modern systems a lot of that will happen automatically. and don't forget we're taking tremendous numbers of jobs from people born in this country. and you understand that because when you look at the roads you have 100 million people that
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potentially want to work and they can't find jobs. >> okay. so let's talk about this. ron brownstein is with me. cnn senior political analyst and editorial director for the national journal and on the phone is michael cowen, evp of the trump organization and special counsel to donald trump. welcome. before we delve into the trump on immigration i want to look at the whole picture. these are numbers from the u.s. immigration and enforcement -- ice. i.c.e. deported nearly 316,000 undocumented immigrants in 2014. 56% of all ice removals were previously convicted of a crime. in 2013 there were 368,000 deportations. so over a two year period ice sent back 684,000 people. that is roughly the population of the cities of atlanta and
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orlando combined. okay. so now we have the whole picture. so ron, with critics on both sides of the aisle taking shots at trump's plan, do you think he needs to rethink? is he giving the american people the whole picture? >> well i don't think he's going to rethink. because i think his views on immigration have been the core of his appeal in the republican party. trump can say he can manage things better than anyone else. but the reality is that this would be an almost unprecedented logistical challenge. he talks about e verify and cutting off employment. that is essentially the self deportation argument of mitt romney in 2012. the underlying reality is to remove this many people you would need a line of school buses from san diego to alaska. and that is the reason why consistently in polling -- i've written about polls on this issue over twenty years. consistently only around one-third of americans would deny the documenting of illegal
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status. about two-thirds would say they would -- even among republicans. as recently as this fall majority of republicans would support some kind of legal status. florida in the exit poll in the republican primary only one-third of republicans said they would support deportation. americans have never viewed this as the practical pragmatic viable option. >> so michael going back to these ice statistics, michael. because i do want to talk to you about that. so over a two year period, ice sent back 684,587 undocumented immigrants. isn't that enough? >> clearly not. and i was on jake tapper the other day and i have to ask the same of you and ron. i need somebody to please explain to me how any candidate, whether republicanr democrat can disagree with donald trump's position. they sneak into the country. they overstay visas.
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the politicians want to offer amnesty, green card, citizenship. mr. trump at least has a plan. he believes in immigration but not illegal immigration. and the single most important function of the united states president is to ensure our national security. and that's going to -- >> okay. let's stop there, michael. -- let's stop there michael. >> -- ice statistic but we don't know who these people are. >> actually we do. >> no we don't. >> yes we do. because it is all on the ice website. if you go to ice.gov it details who these people are. most are from mexico, guatemala and honduras. and 56% have a criminal act in their background and have been deported. so there is information out there you just have to go online. >> they claim there are 11 million individuals in this country who are illegal. you are referring to 600,000. what about the difference? isn't our national security
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important? isn't it important to know who is living next door to you? sth that is why the american people are pro trump? that is why this entire issue is resonating with the american people the way that it is. >> ron do you agree. is it more that donald trump is telling the whole truth? or is it just donald trump is scaring people. >> this is noh question this is resonating. but as i said, even a majority of republicans consistently in polling have not viewed deportation as the practical answer. i and would love to ask michael two questions. one donald trump and you have just talked about support for illegal immigration. if you look at your own position paper on immigration on your website, the first policy paper he put out he calls for a pause in legal immigration, a pause in legal immigration, essentially a moratorium on legal immigration
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to allow -- and the argument of those legal immigrants are taking jobs from americans. if he supports legal immigration, why does he want a moratorium on legal immigration? >> ron you have -- at least donald trump has a plan. none of these other individuals have a plan. the reason is you have to stop the bleeding. you have to stop the flow into the country -- >> -- >> -- as you really know what's going on in the numbers. all you are doing is regurgitating the information that the government is putting out. and to be honest with you, nobody, no citizen to date believes anything that the government is telling you. >> i'm not regurgitating anything. ing is you a question. the first policy paper you published -- >> i just answered your question. >> -- [ inaudible ] >> i just answered your question. i still just answered your question. >> you didn't say anything about legal immigration. does he support a moratorium -- >> you should ask donald trump.
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>> -- supports legal immigration. >> he supports legal immigration. the problem is you have too much going on where nothing has been done for too long. he needs to stop the situation. you need to evaluate quickly which is what donald trump does better than anyone. and he needs to figure out how to fix it. that is what somebody needs to do and the only one who's capable of doing it is donald trump. >> all right. i got to leave it there. ron brownsteen. michael cohen. thanks to both of you. still to come, joe biden is not running for president but he is campaigning to stop sexual assault on college campuses. he talks about it next. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words.
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vice president joe biden shifted focus from presidential politics to the fight against sexual assault. biden has been making the rounds of college campus for the initiative. he called on his alma matter, syracuse university, to urge students to be proactive at stopping sexual abuse. joe johns is with me. >> reporter: biden went to syracuse law school. this was very personal to him. he was back at the campus this time talking about the issue of sexual abuse. this is really a legacy issue for him. goes back almost 20 years when he authored the violence against women act but also a bit of an acknowledgment is that you cannot legislate behavior on college campuses. still, as i said, very personal for him as if he was talking to
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family on the campus of syracuse. >> guys, it's not complicated. you're an upper classmen, you're at a fraternity party. a freshman girl gets drunk, like too many do in their freshman year. she's nearly passing out. when you see your roommate or your fraternity brother walking her upstairs, have the gumption to step in. tell him, expose him. >> biden also traveled to clemson university in south carolina as well as morehouse college in atlanta and he offered an op-ed on college campus newspapers. very busy on this issue, especially since he decided not
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to run for president, carol. >> joe biden -- joe johns. thanks, joe johns reporting live from the white house. >> reporter: all good. >> i know. to learn more about this important issue, be sure to watch the groundbreaking document "the hunting ground" thursday, november 19th at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. checking other top stories at 55 minutes past. a new expert report on the death of tamir rice who was playing with a toy gun who found the officers' decision to open fire was found objectively reasonable. this was released by prosecutors on the same day of this video, which shows the video from an angle never before seen by the public. the prosecutor has not said when this evidence will be presenteded to a grand jury. the rice family argues the findings are biased and calls for a new prosecutor to be assigned to the case. secretary of defense ash
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. donald trump is mad at hell. his unbrutidaled anger on displ at a rally in iowa. calling ben carson his opponent patholog pathological. he wrote a book and in the book he said terrible things about himself. he said that he's pathological and that he's got basically
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pathological disease. if you're a child molester, there's no cure. they can't stop you. pathological, there's no cure. he said he went after the mother with a hammer. he wanted to hit her on the head, or he hit her on the head or he wanted to hit her on the head. i said, wow, that's tough. so, he went after his mother. this is in his book. this isn't me. i'm just trying to save you the cost of a book. so, he's a pathological, damaged, temper. >> arding to "the washington post" the republican establishment is so worried about trump possibly becoming the nominee, they're pushing for mitt romney.
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sunlen -- to you, what's the mood in orlando? >> reporter: carol, i think the elephant in the room is very clearly this new and renewed feud between donald trump and ben carson. certainly, this dynamic of the sharp personal turn the race has turned to in the last 24 hours. this is a big gop cattle call here in orlando where we'll hear from nearly every gop candidate. the marquee match-up where they'll appear back to back on the stage after each other. we'll look for any reaction or doubling down on donald trump and the comments he made last night. of course, this really, again, is the dynamic in the room. see how each of them respond. here's more of what donald trump said last night where he almost mocked ben carson and this
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stabbing incident he's claimed in his past. here's more of donald trump. >> he took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged, he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends. but lo and behold, it hit the belt. it hit the belt. and the knife broke. give me a break. give me a break. give me a break. the knife broke. let me tell you, i'm pretty good at this stuff. i have a belt. someone has to hit me with the belt going in because the belt moves this. it moves this way. it moves that way. he hit the belt buckle. anybody have a knife, want to try it on me? believe me, it ability going to work. you're going to be successful. he took the knife, he went like this and he plunged it into the
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belt. amazingly the belt stayed totally flat and the knife broke. how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap? >> reporter: we have gotten a small hint of how ben carson will potentially respond to this. his business partner telling cnn this morning it's sad to see his campaign, in his words, implode like this. he spoke to ben carson and his response was to pray for donald trump. interesting back drop which will be the focus here today. >> thank you. ben carson's people responded and he said we should all pray for donald trump. carly fiorina posted this of trump on her facebook page. domd, sorry identify got to interrupt again. you would know something about
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pathological. how was that meeting with putin? or wharton? or your self-funded campaign? anyone can turn a multimillion dollar inheritance into more money but all the money in the world won't make you as smart as ben carson. a coordinated trump attack? >> reporter: each candidate in the field has its own strategy. i don't think they necessarily all overlap. i think what you're seeing right now is donald trump reverting to the kind of campaigning that propelled him to the top of the pack where he hits. when he is threatened by a candidate, much like he perceived himself to be by jeb bush over the summer, carol, he goes after them hard. don't forget where last night's event was. it was in iowa. that's the place ben carson is presenting the stiffest challenge to donald trump. he's aware of it. we're 79 days away from the caucuses. and donald trump is putting ben carson on notice that he is not going to escape the wrath of trump. this has been the stuff of his
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success. >> okay. so, "the washington post" had an interesting article this morning. it said the republican establishment is so freaked out by a trump candidacy that they're thinking of drafting mitt romney. is that possible? >> reporter: well, listen, our jeff zeleny and gloria borger reported the romney sources they spoke to this morning say that's all about incoming calls from the establishment to the romney world saying, hey, what are you thinking but that romney is not really giving any strong consideration right now. i read that story in the washington post more about that this is the same nervousness the republican establishment has expressed all the way out. since june when donald trump got in the race and he started to rise. when ben carson started to rise in the polls at the end of the summer, carol, the establishment does not believe those are the two guys to take on hillary clinton, that could put the best foot forward when looking ahead to the general. donald trump nor ben carson are looking ahead to the general right now. they are wooing the republican
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faithful and the grassroots and the establishment in the republican party are not at all aligned right now. i don't think you'll see mitt romney jump into the fray. i don't know if that would solve the problem for the republican party necessarily, that he would be seen as some white knight by the grass roots no matter how much the establishment may want to bring in a heavy hitter to try to bring order to what they see as a chaotic nomination season. >> many thanks. two major developments in the war on terror to tell you about. kurdish troops from help with the u.s. military chased out terrorists and retook sinjar. it shows just how fierce that battle was. earlier today, hundreds of kurdish troops poured into sinjar on troop before facing heavy gunfire and going into battle with isis. the mission, moving faster than anyone expected. also new this morning, jihadi john, the masked man who became
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the face of isis may be dead. according to the pentagon u.s. special forces targeted jihadi john during an air strike in raqqa, syria. officials are trying to determine if that mission worked but a senior official tells cnn that sources are confident jihadi john was taken out. nick paton walsh is imbedded with troops on the ground in iraq and jonathan gilliam is me-w me, too. nick, you're on the ground. sinjar fell falser than anyone expected. why? >> reporter: it's not entirely clear whether isis didn't want to fight for it or whether they decided to let the numerous booby traps and land mines we've seen plant around that city by person -- peshmerga do its part. they were on foot in the
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hundreds moving in, that that proved too much for isis to resist. that could be possible. most people we spoke to suggest it was down to the air strikes. enormous air power being used by the coalition there. we saw it on the roads heading into the city yesterday, flattening anything isis could try and throw at them. also, too, missiles given to the peshmerga which seem able to take out car bombs isis throw at them before they get near them. some tactical advantages but also fortune of application. large numbers of peshmerga, significant coalition air power for which the coalition leader thanked the coalition today. but it's still inside sin yar we were there literally four hours ago and there were still snipers, it seemed, in place there, making kurds very anxious and fire back a lot. explosions. pox of isis still in there despite the kurdish claim it is now liberated. >> we have word that jihadi john may have been killed by an
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american air strike, by a drone. do people on the ground care? >> reporter: no, not in sinjar. the issues here are much more local. we're talking about peshmerga trying to lead a fight to push isis out of the neighborhood near the place they want to call their future homeland and already many of them do consider their homeland. for the yazidis, who used to live in sinjar, while of course jihadi john and what he did on youtube and social media caused, perhaps, the united states to decide to intervene in the fight against isis, that may have some impact on their thoughts. this is much more of a local tragedy. the yazidis live in the mountains, those who fled sin y -- sinjar, looking down on their town, thinking of the day they can move in. that day is much closer but they're going back to a town frankly, rubble, laden with booby traps, something of a disaster to try and house
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ordinary life now, carol. >> nick paton walsh, many thanks. to you, jonathan. so, this drone supposedly took out jihadi john over raqqa, syria. how do they prove that jihadi john was really killed? >> probably the same way that they decided this is jihadi john. the sources we have throughout the world are our greatest assets in the war on terror. this just shows technology can do a lot but if you don't have sources to confirm somebody's location prior to the bombing, it doesn't really do you a whole lot of good to throw bombs down there. i would assume if our intel community is telling us he's no longer with us, he's most likely not with us. >> we heard not so long ago they targeted b targeted baghdadi, killed him, but it durnz out we didn't really kill him. >> that's why intel sources are
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not saying to cnn or anyone else they're 100% sure. they're saying 99% sure because the fact is unless they have eyes on specifically, source information can be flawed sometimes, but still it has proven our greatest information. >> i'm getting new information from my producer in my ear. putin says he's willing to work with washington to defeat isis. is that correct? that is correct. even though they're violating international law, but still -- i would suppose that has arisen out of the terrible catastrophe with the russian jetliner. >> right. one thing putin may be starting to realize -- listen, he's a trained kgb officer. i'm sure he did not go into this frivolously, on a whim, but however what he has to start realizing is that a lot of
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people forget assad is muslim. iran is backing and working with assad. hezbollah is working with assad. they're fighting against another extremist group which is isis. so, what's happening here is putin has put himself in the middle of this mix and it could turn against him at any time. >> now he's suddenly realizing this because that aircraft was -- >> well, i'm sure that now what's going to happen is russia could potentially start becoming the center of attacks in russia or russia itself because they don't have the ground troops. here's the biggest problem. all these bombings going on, that report just showed exactly what happened. when they go in and they took over a town or took it back, and they had snipers in there, the reporters said they are potentially moving backwards a little bit because they get antsy. that's the difference when we go in with ground troops or russia had ground troops than the
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locals fighting. and i think that's probably where putin is in the middle and it's not advancing the way he would like it. >> interesting. thanks for stopping by. still to come in "newsroom," the liberation of sinjar. huge victory in the fight against isis but will that change the terror group's strategy? we'll talk about that next. ein to get us moving. i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in.
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an act of self-defense in the assault in the heart of isis, how british prime minister dave cameron described a drone strike targeting jihadi john. authorities working to figure out if that worked and if jihadi john is, indeed dead. a source tells cnn sources are confident he was taken out. kurdish troops force isis militants to run. they liberate the key iraqi town of sinjar. american forces helping in that effort with air strikes. the president said the u.s. has isis on the retreat. although donald trump has other
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ideas in how to fight the terrorist group. let's listen. >> i know more isis than the generals do, believe me. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. [ applause ] i would just bomb those suckers. and, that's right, i'd blow up the pipes. i'd blow up every single inch. there would be nothing left. you know what? you'll get exxon to go in there, in two months -- have you ever seen how good these oil companies are? they're rebuild it, and i'd take the oil. >> let's talk about this with cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hertling. general, why even bother with the kurds? why bother them to fight isis on the ground? why not just bomb the, out of
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iraq. >> i would suggest, carol, mr. trump might want to take a visit to iraq or some combat areas and see how things work on the ground. it's now getting into the scary category. he is talking about things that he knows very little about. it's not only a little bit scary, but it's also dangerous and it's also immoral. you just don't do that. americans don't fight wars by carpet bombing nations. and i think if he were on the ground in iraq or syria, he would see the population that is in dire fear of isis and how they are intermingling with the population, i think he would have a better perspective. i think it might also be interesting to get him into that country when other organizations like mobil or exxon have attempted to try to repair some oil works. i was there when that occurred. it's very challenging. >> why is it challenging? >> this isn't an applause line
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for mr. trump. i would remind folks that less than 1% of the american population has served in the military. even a fewer percentage of the population has served in these kind of areas so you just don't know what it's like. when other countries are under conflict, under siege like this, it's hard, extremely hard, to reestablish both their economic and their industrial capacity once they're bombed. there are people living there. there are 11 million people in iraq where the oil fields are. not all of them are sigs supporters. in fact, very few are. when you're talking about dropping bombs, first of all, have you to have targets to drop bombs on. it's an applause line for people who have never been there or see what it's like. >> you think that history would give us a clue, right? because we went into baghdad. we overthrew saddam hussein. we're good at that. the u.s. military is great at
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that. it's after we're not so great at that. >> you're exactly right. and you recall the great touting of the shock and awe campaign of 2003 when we went into iraq. that shock and awe was contributing to the inability to re-establish central services to the country. there are also some decisions made in terms of the governmental officials and how they aren't there to run the country. this is the hard work of politics. this is the hard work of conflict that mr. trump is not talking a lot about. again, i'm trying to remain apolitical in this, but it's increasingly difficult to do that when you hear these kind of statements of individuals who have not been there, who don't know more than the generals do. in many cases, don't know more than the privates do. >> general, if your commander in chief said, go into iraq and just bomb it, bomb it to smither
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evens, how would you react? >> i would react by trying to inform him of the laws of land warfare and geneva conventions involved in this and how it's not only immoral but illegal to do that. i would not be privy to a partner to these kind of things because it would put me as a commander before the geneva -- the hague courts. if he persisted in saying bomb it, i think what you would eventually have in the military akrols the board is mass resignations. and that's -- that's a tough stance to take, carol, but truthfully, that's what would occur. because the american military studies these kinds of things. they know the moral and the values implications associated with these kind of decisions. they will attempt to persuade their leaders the right approaches to take and the various options available. but they won't do things
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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ another black eye for the secret service. today 37-year-old secret service officer lee moore will appear in court to face charges he texted naked pictures of himself to a girl he thought was 14 years old. yes, he was assigned to the white house. pamela brown is here with more. good morning. >> disturbing details in this criminal xlanlt, carol. we've been looking through -- officer moore was actually on duty at the white house, according to officials, when he allegedly sent naked pictures of himself to someone he thought was a 14-year-old girl and tried to meet up with her for sex. it actually was a detective with the sddelaware state police.
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the person was chatting with online he talked about meeting up, august 26th, actually, he asked to meet the alleged girl in person and requested she wear a skirt, saying online, i would take immense pleasure in pulling those shorts off your hips and down your cute little legs. moore was arrested on monday. court documents show he waived his miranda rights, talking with detectives, admitting he sent those messages while on the job at the white house. and that he sent similar messages to other underage girls online. the they released a statement saying it takes these allegations seriously. this incident was reported to our office of professional responsibility on friday, november 6th. that same date the employee's security was suspended and the employee was placed on administrative leave. he is set to appear in court today and faces up to ten years
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in prison if convicted. carol? >> pamela brown reporting live. thank you. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. donald trump heads to florida where many are expecting to hear his rhetoric toward ben carson. this is trump doubles down on his immigration policy, which has been facing criticism of late. in the meantime, trump talked about his plan and questioned dr. carson's past during an interview with cnn's erin burnett. >> he said he's pathological. somebody said he has pathological disease. other people say he said in the book, i haven't seen it, that he's got a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem. because you don't cure that. that's like, you know, i could say -- say you don't cure, as an example, a child molester. you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. >> i want to ask you about the
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immigration fracas that's going on out there. >> you wouldn't be talking about immigration if it wasn't for me. >> you have put it on the table. now, of course, you were criticized heavily at the debate. kasich, jeb bush saying you -- >> excuse me. they're weak people. i watched jeb today. they're weak people. kasich made a fool of himself at the debate. >> the question s how do you take 11 million people and make them leave? >> you do in a humane matter. >> they aren't going to want to leave. you have to hire a lot of people to find them and get them over the border. >> they're here illegally. if a person is here illegally and the border patrol sends them right back. they send them back -- >> what about the guy living in detroit -- >> skugs me. what about somebody who comes over the border for two days, they bring him back, they send him back or someone here for a year and they send him back. there is no difference. illegal immigration costs us
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between $200 or $300 billion a year. when you include crime and other problems, it's more than that. so, you're talking about between $200 and $300 billion the way it is now. >> they pay in taxes. pay $24 billion in taxes. >> do you really believe they -- >> they pay social security, state and local. >> yeah. what percentage of them? 10%? >> it's $24 billion the economy wouldn't -- >> excuse me. do you know how few pay taxes? don't be naive. >> on this point about humanity, though, are you going to be sending in officers -- >> we're going to be sending in -- >> a force of people to people's homes to -- >> we'll give notice saying, have you to go back to wherever the country is. it's going to be all different countries. >> katie couric actually sat down with ben carson. she's tweeting out highlights of that interview when it comes to trump's child molester comments, carson said, quote, someone needs to tell him, trump, what pathological really means.
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another tweet, so i can read it off the screen. so katie couric says, ben carson tells me, if the media will be honest and fair, i will reveal the identity of the young man involved in the childhood knife incident. interesting. let's talk about this with larry sabatow, and michael warren is the staff writing for the weekly standard. welcome to both of you. it's exhausting, isn't it, larry? i don't even know what this means. >> it's a full-fledged presidential campaign a year ahead of schedule, no doubt about that. trump has clearly outdone himself. let's put it that way. >> michael, what do you make of this 95-minute rant? because that's really what it was. >> i think there's two things going on here. one, donald trump is, i think, genuinely nervous about the fact that ben carson's ahead of him in the polls. not just nationally but in iowa.
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if ben carson beats trump, really if anybody beats trump in iowa in that first contest of the primary season, then he's tagged with that label of loser and he can't sustain a presidential campaign that way. the second thing is, i think people are getting bored with trump's schtick. the audience behind trump in that rally last night, they all kind of look bored when he's going through the story of the knife and all that stuff. i think he's ramping up the attacks. it's notable, though, he doesn't say this to ben carson's face on the stage at the debates. i think that's noteworthy and says something about what trump's motivations are. >> i thought the exact same thing. you saw the picture of trump with his belt buckle. do we have that trump sound ready to go? not yet. so, basically trump said, you know, your belt moves around a lot and it couldn't be possible that a knife could be stopped by a belt buckle, slamming ben
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carson. now ben carson tells katie couric he's going to provide the name of the boy he attacked when he was 14 years old. so, larry, when all is said and done, when will mean anything, this snafu between the two? should ben carson really do that or should he ignore donald trump? >> i don't think he can ignore him at this point. carol, the bigger picture is this. we hate long campaigns but they're actually very useful in this way. persons don't pay close attention to politics but there's so much going on every day that over time people are getting a real sense of what the major candidates might do as president sitting in the oval office. the effect of all this is cumulative. especially for trump it's cumulative. it will have an impact once we get to the actual voting next year. and the other point, carol, is trump is creating little video
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bits that will make devastating tv ads for some of the other republicans running against him, not to mention democrats in the fall, whether he is the nominee or not. that's the concern republican leaders have. >> interesting. so, something else ben carson told katie couric, he said none of the republican candidates are well versed in foreign policy 37 when you heard donald trump talking about just bombing iraq, really we should just bomb them and bomb the oil fields and build it up. you heard general hertling, what he said. he said, if he would carry out those orders, he would be brought up before the geneva convention. >> look, we've got a number of top candidates who don't have a lot of foreign policy experience. that doesn't just go for ben carson or donald trump. it goes for a lot of the governors as well. some of the senators do have foreign policy as part of what they deal with every day as senators. marco rubio talks a lot about this.
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it is notable none of the people on either stage on tuesday night's debate have served in the military. i think that's a significant thing to think about as well. in the end there are foreign policy and defense thinkers out there talking with these candidates, and bringing them up to speed. ben carson's sort of rant at the debate was kind of hard to follow. i agree with larry. this is going to have a cumulative effect when voters get together in iowa or new hampshire to vote in those primaries. they're going to be remembering all these things and thinking, is this the person we really to want have with their finger on the button. >> we'll see. thanks to both of you. this just into cnn. david sweat, one of the two inmates who broke out of an upstate new york prison is pleady guilty to all charnlgz associated with the escape. he faces sentence of 3 1/2 to 7 years for all three counts.
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he's now serving a life sentence without patrol. his partner, as you know, richard matt, was shot and killed while the men were on the run. i'll be right back. the pursuit of healthier.
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in north korea, being part of kim jong-un's inner circle could be the most dangerous place to be. today he removed another senior adviser for unknown reasons. >> reporter: an ominous sign kim jong-un may have eliminated another person from his sinner circle, considered one of his closest confidante, a right hand man, was not seen among names of
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officials planning for the funeral of a top military leader and reportedly did not show up for the funeral itself. >> it tells us he's likely been purged or at a minimum sidelined from the top elites. this would be a very significant event. unless he's on his death bed, he would attend this kind of a funeral. >> reporter: it's so significant that south korean officials are taking the rare step publicly that they're looking into it. >> translator: considering previous incidents, it is unusual lp. >> reporter: why was cho apparently purged? experts say it could have been incompetence, betrayal or possibly internal disputes within the inner circles. >> the north korean regime is a clep tock racy. think of it as the sopranos drama, where families representing different cliques are vying for power. >> reporter: news agency citing south korean intense says cho has been sent to the higher
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party school in east pyongyang where analyst say officials who run afoul of kim undergo brutal psychological conditioning and enter rags. north koreans call it reintegration. >> it's not a country club. it's almost certainly a very gruelling process where there is both physical and mental abuse. >> reporter: experts say cho may not have been executed because he's a so-called prince-like, the son of a revolutionary hero who fought with kim song-il. he reportedly had a defense minister killed with an anti-aircraft gun. south koreans officials say he's executed 70 top officials since taking power four years ago. >> we're seeing a very protracted power consolidation process in which the leadership
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is acting in ruthless ways, very draconian, not subtle ways in order to try to gain leadership within the system. >> reporter: but analyst say kim's ruthless purges could backfire on him. they say it could be no one close to kim feels safe, that no matter how loyal they are, they could be betrayed. that raises questions, experts say, about how secure kim himself is within his circle. brian todd, cnn, washington. still to come in the "newsroom," a groundbreaking medical trial for women unable to carry a baby. how a uterus transplant may transform the american family. ♪ while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far.
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we have some news about jihadi john out of syria. i'm going to turn to my e-mail here because i just got an alert. jihadi john, according to the
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syrian opposition group, raqqa is being slaughtered silently. the group says the vehicle in which jihadi john was riding was hit directly, along with two other vehicles. they say the attack happened in front of the isis islamic court in raqqa and isis militants then established the security ring around those three destroyed vehicles and banned anyone from coming closer. the activist group says it -- the activist group has been a reliable source of information from inside raqqa in the past. that's why i'm passing this along to you. of course, barbara starr, pentagon correspondent, will have more at the top of the hour. groundbreaking new hope for american women unable to conceive a child. the cleveland clinic says it's ready to transplant a uterus into a woman who lacks one. ten women will be chosen for a medical trial. success was found in sweden last year where nine women received donated uteruses. five achieved pregnancy and four
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gave birth. for these ten u.s. women, doctors say the process will be long and emotionally challenging. with me now is an obstetrician and gynecologist with premiere care for women in atlanta. this just sounds amazing to me. >> it really is pretty impressive. i call it star trek medicine. it's pretty exciting because we have not done this in the past before. >> so, what -- where would they get the uterus from, a living woman or someone who's donated their organs? >> excellent question. in sweden they've done both. the trial here is going to use cadaver donated organs, which is ethically a better thing for us in the u.s. it's going to be women who donated their organs, remove their uterus. it's a lot more complicated than a routine hysterectomymy. the removed uterus will be transplanted into the donor mom. >> what is the process like? is it completely safe?
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>> so far it seems to be safe. there have been some instances of infection after the transplant. it's a long, drawn out processes. these women have to undergo in vitro fertilization. what this process is doing is it's going to allow these women who probably would coo have only gotten pregnant from using a surrogate mom in the past to experience having a baby growing in their body. but they'll still have to do in vitro. prior to the transplant they're getting drugs to collect eggs from their ovaries. they're going to fertilize those eggs, get embryos. after the transplant they'll wait about a year to make sure all the rejection and medications are stable. and no rejection has occurred. then they're going to go through the process of putting the embryos in. these women will then require a cesarean section. they're not going to be allowed to labor. you can see, it's a long process but it will allow them to experience childbirth.
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>> it really does sound emotionally draining for me, especially if the procedure doesn't work. >> i think that's a big risk. if you look at some interviews with women in the program, they're very excited because they're -- you know, some of them have children through surrogate moms already or through adoption, which is obviously a great thing. but the idea of having a baby growing in you, feel a baby move, that's what these women are craving to feel. >> thanks for being with me this morning. i'll be right back. ♪ nothing artificial. just real roasted turkey. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it. panera. food as it should be.
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checking some top stories at 57 minutes past. walmart protesters say they're going to fast in the hopes of getting higher wages for workers. so far 1,000 people, including 100 current employees have joined a group fasting from now until black friday. their demand, raise the minimum wum wage to 15 bucks an hour. some say they'll attempt to go all 15 days consuming only liquids. prosecutors want jared fogle to serve 1 years in prison for crimes, including possession of child pornography and having sex with minors. the subway front man has signed a plea deal which requires him to pay each of his 14 victims $100,000. they say jared fogles close friend and business partner russell taylor lured teenagers into his home, secretly filmed them naked. one victim who was 14 at the time spoke to dr. phil. >> do you know where the cameras were in there?
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>> i do not. >> they were in the bedroom. >> yes. >> they were in the bathroom. they were in living areas. those moments you thought you were private, just getting out of the shower, somebody was watching. how sick was that? >> it was so sick. it's disgusting. >> after prison, prosecutors hope to put fogle on supervised release for the rest of his life. he'll also have to register as a sex offender. a new era in myanmar. the election committee confirms the opposition party has won. the opposition party is led by nobel laureate awning sang suu kyi who spent 20 years under house arrest after contesting an election in 1990. this win comes on the fifth anniversary of her release. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello.
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"at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. the u.s. targets one of the world's most wanted killers, jihadi john, the face of isis. so, is he dead? and what does this mean for u.s. intelligence in into that terror group. moments from now ben carson will respond live for the first time since donald trump's stunning rant. the 95-minute tirade in which he directly asked how the people of iowa can be so stupid. >> he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend, but lo and behold, it hit the belt. this is cnn breaking news. everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. breaking news we're following at this hour. a strike at the heart of isis. u.s. drones targeting and possibly killing jihadi john.

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