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here we go, great to be with you on this friday, i'm brooke baldwin. this is cnn. two huge potential victories in it the u.s.-led war on isis. number one, this u.s. airstrike said to have killed this man, jihady john. it's the voice of isis, the masked beheader who took the lives of three americans on camera. the u.s. saying it is confident that a reaper drone armed with missiles took the right shot just over syria blowing up the car the british citizen was apparently traveling in. >> wir seasonably certain that
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we killed the target that we intended to kill, which is jihady john. killing him is making the world a better place. >> this news here as we are also getting word that the isis reign in at least one city is now over. this two-day war operation free sinjar bolstered by u.s. air power declared a success. the city no longer rule d by tht black isis flag because peshmerga troops are seen now raising a kurdish flag. i have jim sciutto and on the phone just outside of sinjar is nick peyton walsh. jim, first to you on this belief that the u.s. got this terrorist. what more do you know about the strike? >> they were filming him if for
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a good couple of days inside and around raqqa. they. picked up his trail some time before that, but they surveillance for a day and a half. when he came out of one of those stops, he was alone and fired a muscle sill, which what they can tell got him. they don't have boots on the ground to take a dna sample. they look at open source and social media sites to see if there's any announcement. they listen to communications to see if there's talk about this. they have human sources on the ground who will be checking it out as well. you look at syria. it's a place where the u.s. did not have a lot the of assets, not until the president just made a a decision to send boots on the ground. and it was viewed by some as an intelligence black hole. they have ramp ed up in recent weeks. to have this capability.
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they have had a number of successful strikes and this one very high profile. >> a big one clearly, the intel was there. jim sciutto, thank you. nick, let me bring you in. kurds say they have taken sinjar. what does that mean as far as isis? is everyone pushed out, many killed, what? >> reporter: they say they have taken it and that is definitely the case. but they don't have complete freedom of movement. we were on the ground. so still a threat there. they actually say that isis is using a network of tunnels they have brought under to try to evade and escape.
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it is a startling victory in terms of the speed. isis may have had little choice or chosen to give up sinjar. there were a number of dead, we're told, in that attack, at least over 100 on the side of isis. but the peshmerga moved in very quickly in just over 24 hours between the first moves and the push on down from the north into the city center itself. that was done by peshmerga and overwhelming in their number, thousands, frankly. it releases the question, what next? one of the key objectives being taking that town. thaf the strategic is taking the main highway that runs through sinjar. it goes between mosul in iraq and raqqa in syria. both vital isis strongholds. now the kurdish leader behind the peshmerga assault today said that taking sinjar bodes well for the future liberation of
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mosul. the hope is that the pr in the campaign against isis of taking sinjar could lead to assist moves against other population centers that isis holds. the idea of raqqa or mosul being on the side of the coalition is a little farfetched at this stage, but this is perhaps not just an isolated success, maybe the turning point in the narrative. >> perhaps, thank you. we also heard from president obama. david, let me bring you in. . will how will they ever be able to truly confirm that they got him, that he's dead? >> they won't. isis may choose to confirm his death and praise him as a martyr, so they'll have to wait and see.
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it's an intelligence structure. he was in raqqa visiting his wife. he was going to the isis media center in town. there's been some kind of surveillance there and maybe some human intelligence. it's a small step forward. this does not mean there's a successful and coherent u.s. strategy to get rid of isis, but this is definitely a step forward. >> but on that, does this mean that the u.s. has more intel assets within isis, on isis than we perhaps thought? >> it could, and the really key thing is is there a pressive rule causing local people to possibly turn against them. that would be a huge step forward. that's the kind of callous here. in the end, it's about syrians. it's about iraqis. it's about them turning against isis. it's not u.s. planes alone and u.s. troops alone aren't going to do this. that could be happening. or getting intelligence in there
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from jordan and that pilot was executed by isis. either outcome is a step forward. >> given that intelligence, we can only hope that people are turning. the fact that jihadi john would be killed is a massive deal, a symbolic victory as well. what about the top chiefs of isis? do you think we'll start to see more strikes on them as well? >> we could, but we have been trying to kill the head of isis for the at least the last year and haven't been able to find him. maybe he's more disciplined. he didn't make whatever mistake jihadi john made. i think we should just go one step at a time. maybe we'll get lucky, but killing a senior leader would mean more strategically than just this strike today. >> president obama reacting to all of this here on "good morning america." essentially saying isis is contained. they have contained isis.
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what's your reaction? do you think there's a real shift here? >> there could be, but it's an overstatement. it's a small. step forward, but i don't thinkist cyst contained. an affiliate brought down an airliner. and we have the bombing just in beirut today. so it's a good day, but i think saying they are contained is an overstatement. >> david rode, thank you. he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends, but low and behold, it hit the belt. it hit the belt and the knife broke. give me a break. >> donald trump, like you have never seen him before. and that's saying a lot.
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in a 95-minute rant, he unleashes on ben carson. he talks about child molesters, he curses, one of his rivals say this, quote, meltdown, was a turning point. we'll discuss that. plus ben carson raising some eyebrows saying he has intelligence that the chinese are in syria. the white house says not true. well, after backlash, carson is now revealing his sources. welcome to election 2016. i'm brooke baldwin, stay with me. ♪ ♪virgin islands nice ♪ ♪so nice ♪ ♪so nice, so nice ♪ spend a few days in st. croix and return with a lifetime of experiences. that's virgin islands nice.
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hillary clinton, president obama, his competitors, said john kasich was buggen, but he focused his tirade on ben carson and what carson wrote in his auto biography. >> carson is an enigma to me. i didn't say it. carson is an e enigma. he wrote a book. here's the beauty of all. he took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged, he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend, but low and behold, it hit the belt. it hit the belt. and the knife broke. give me a break. i'm pretty good at this stuff. i have a belt. somebody hits me with a belt, it's going in because it moves
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this way. it moves this way, it moves that way. he hit the belt buckle. anybody have a knife and want to try it on me. it ain't going to work. you're going to be successful. he took the knife and went like this. and he plunged it into the belt. and amazingly the belt stayed totally flat and the knife broke. how stupid are the people of iowa. how stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap? so what he's saying is that these series of events goes into the bathroom for a couple hours and comes out and now he's religious. give me a break. give me a break. it doesn't happen that way. it doesn't happen that way. and some people might not like it. that's not really nice what you say. don't be fools. don't be fools.
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>> that was just a piece. we're going to talk about that. let's get reaction or lack thereof reaction from ben carson earlier today. >> the wonderful thing is it's not really up to me. it's up to the people. they will listen and be able to make a decision about whether they want to listen to the usual politics of personal destruction or do something better? >> are you personally offended by it? >> let me put it this way. i expect that kind of thing. that's what's been going on in our country for years that's dragging us in the mud. i don't expect it to change any time soon. but i don't have to get into it. >> we'll kbet into it. andy dean, former contestant on trump's reality show is with me. pastor daryl scott, katie packer, deputy campaign more for
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mitt romney. her firm works for the rubio campaign, though is not associated with that account. and michael d'antoni. so welcome to all of you. and if i may, out of the gate, we're going to do a round robin. i want to begin with michael on just 20 seconds or less, reaction to trump's tirade. >> this is why donald trump is in a lot of psychology texts as an example of a personality disorder. this fellow is all in all the time and wants attention and he got it. >> andy? >> michael wrote a book on donald. donald sat with michael for two interviews and then when he realized that michael doesn't have the horse power -- >> get your facts straight. i sat with him for five interviews. >> your book was a failure.
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>> gentlemen! >> it was more than two interviews. how many hours? >> let's move off the book. let's talk about donald trump. andy, please. >> i don't want to be president of the united states. donald trump wants to be president. let's talk about donald trump. >> that was a joke last night. >> me? i thought the speech was brilliant. u thought he communicated -- you only played certain clips of the speech. you didn't play where he talked about destroying isis. >> we're getting to that. >> let's get to that. >> i'll get us there. i just wanted your quick reaction. >> i thought it was a great speech. i thought it was dynamic without notes and off the cuff. we want somebody who speaks their mind. >> i appreciate that. pastor, to you. >> pastor?
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>> i'm in agreement as well. i thought he spoke from his heart and i thought he made some very truthful statements as what he believes to be the validity of that buy yiography. to be honest, i share some of the thought processes that he articulated. the story sounds a little farfetched. it sounds as if it was embellished for book sales. >> katie? >> i don't think you necessarily have to believe ben carson's version of what happened to be able to watch that speech and know that donald trump really should get back on his meds. he does have some serious issues that he needs to deal with. the people that support him tend to be people like andy that collected a paycheck from him, but i don't think people beyond the 22% that are already in his camp are going to look at that and think this is a guy that should have his hand on the nuclear codes.
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>> we're across the spectrum. let me come to you first. because as a trump supporters, the fact that he was in iowa where carson was giving him a a run for his money, that's not lost on me. but the language, the language. he said to people, how stupid are the people of iowa in this country to believe this crap. >> i think that trump is being frank with the people and treating them as if they are smart by saying are we going to fall for this story. ben carson admitted in it his book to hitting his mom over the head with a hammer. that isn't like teenage high jinx. it's like stealing a candy bar. hitting someone with a hammer is mental instability. donald is letting people know what's in the book. there's nothing bad about that. >> a lot of us have had the same questions about trump and his supporters. >> trump never hit his mom with a hammer. >> donald's record of lying is
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at least 30 years long. he's lied about so many aspects of his own biography that it's almost impossible to recount them. but what i do believe is when he told me that he's the same person he was when he was 6 years old. he was telling the truth. this is a guy who hasn't matured since first grade. >> that said, let me play the sound byte, if i may, on the bombing isis. here you go. >> i said, look, isis is is making a tremendous amount of money because they have certain oil camps. they have certain areas of oil they took away. some in syria, some in iraq. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> you saw the applause. maybe not presidential language, but i would like to note that the u.s. is bombing isis oil
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fields. if you saw the michael gordon piece in "the new york times," that's happening. what do you make of his tone? >> i think his tone is incredibly unpresidential. beyond that, days ago, he was saying this should be left to putin. so i can't even nail down what his policy is on isis or any other foreign policy because it seems to shift from day-to-day. i do think he does show some real signs of somebody that needs help. i sort of feel sorry for him. >> pastor, i want to hear your voice. >> i don't necessarily agree with that. he brought up what he would do with isis. when you asked him before what he suggests, he said allow putin to do what he's doing. but when you ask someone what they are going to do, he said i will bomb them. >> he said he wouldn't engage isis. he would let putin engage isis. this is totally -- >> one voice please.
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>> you can't defend this total revers reversal. >> katie, calm down. >> please, people, let's be polite. >> the only time we're questioning what's presidential is when it comes to donald trump. >> that's not at all. we're questioning every single one of them. >> it seems as if it's a right of passage that presidential candidates have to go on "ellen" and dance. is that presidential? for our president to dance on "ellen"? >> i'm not asking anyone to dance. >> not sure how we got on that. >> we're talking about what's presidential and not presidential. >> he's sort of the poster child for lack of presidential. >> we're talking very important issues. these are issues that are germane to to being president. he brought up isis. he he also brought up immigration. this is some sound.
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we heard trump talking about wanting to deport 11 million people and obama has officially responded. >> i have no idea where donald trump thinks the money is going to come from. it would cost us hundreds of billions of dollars to execute that. imagine the images on the screen flashed around the world as we were dragging parents away from their children and putting them in detention centers and then systemically sending them out. >> andy, let me hear from you on this because you hear words like inhumane and martin o'malley would like to be president calling it ethnic cleansing. the notion of shipping 11 million people back. your response? >> first, a couple things. obama right there is encouraging illegal immigration when he says, hey, erbe come over and you're not going to get sent back. for the president of the united states to do that, i think is very dangerous. and also this concept we're
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going to be tearing families apart, when you commit a crime in this country, the justice department takes you away from your family. if my dad when i was younger robbed a bank and my dad is a wonderful person, but if he did rob a bank, the justice department would place him in prison. they wouldn't say he's got a family. we're not going to put him in prison. when you commit a crime, you have to pay the price. and illegal immigration is a crime. these people are going back to where they came from illegally. you know who is going to benefit? people honest, waiting in line, immigrants who are the life blood of this country. we need to be bringing in more legal immigrants and saying no to illegal immigration. unlike obama who is saying illegal immigrants, don't worry, you're cool. that's what he's saying. >> let's not put words in the president's mouth. donald trump said we wouldn't be talking about immigration if it weren't for me. this was his number one issue. we're still talking about it however many months ahead. the notion that this is absurd
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has come up multiple times. katie can, i want to hear from you. >> the notion that no one was talking about illegal immigration until donald trump is ridiculous. it's been an issue in the months since the 2012 campaign. i'm not going to defend what president obama said. his policy on immigration has been a disaster. i do think we need border security. all of our candidates are calling for border security. but the rhetoric and the words that donald trump is communicating are a sure fire way to lose on election day in november because what he's talking about doesn't just turn off hispanic voters. it turns off young voters, family voters, it's a recipe for electoral disaster. >> that's coming from somebody who ran the romney message. >> who had a lot more votes than donald trump. >> we'll see when donald wins. >> it's like we're having an
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insult comic running for president and he's insulting the voters who are supposed to elect him. it's all really absurd. >> by the way, we just found a poll -- hang on. most democrats are saying that they believe donald trump would be the toughest competitor on the republican side. >> just giving you the facts. let's have everyone standby. i'm not finished with you all. standby because when we come back, this is interesting. ben carson, he says chinese are in syria. his campaign now releasing documents to cnn moments ago that says it absolutely supports ben carson's claim. the white house, by the way, also responding to that. we will continue this conversation when we come back. diabetes, steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady, clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes.
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the chinese are inside of syria. did he say it? did he not? presidential candidate ben carson's comments under the microscope slamming the media, parsing words over what he meant about operations in syria. here is dr. carson in his own words. >> what we have to recognize is that putin is trying to really spread his influence throughout the middle east. this is going to be his base. and we have to a oppose him there in an effective way. e we also must recognize it's a complex place. the chinese there as well as the russians. >> for the record, u.s. officials are saying they have no idea what he's talking about. >> i have not seen any evidence of chinese military involvement in syria.
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>> someone did tell me he said that earlier today. >> i guess it's not common that maybe it violates my job description as a spokesperson to be speechless. i think in this case i am. >> joining me now is cnn political correspondent. let's get to it. we heard ben carson saying earlier today, yes, i have this intel source and would provide my sourcing. apparently he said his intelligence is better than the white house's and better than president obama's. he's released the documents. what do they say? >> he has released the documents. i have them here in my hand. it's 15 pages. some of which includes a newspaper clipping. essentially, i think the takeaway comes from a statement from doug watts, who is ben carson's communication director. he says china has had a long
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standing and well documented security ties to syria and has provided military weapons and equipment that syria is using in the current conflict. ben carson does not believe china is currently fighting in or deploying troops to syria, and contrary to press reports, he has never made that assertion. so essentially, the carson campaign is saying this is something of a misinterpretation on the part of the press that we have misjudged what he said in that original debate where he said the chinese are there, liken the chinese to russia. he released these documents. in terms of the sourcing, i have had had some questions out to the campaign about who the sourcing is. they said this is better than the white house, better than susan rice's intel. and a man named o'connor is li t listed on these documents. i reached out to the campaign to see who he is, but we have some
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photographs here. i think the issue here is he is essentially saying that if you supply weapons to a country that that seems to suggest some sort of involvement and we know that often times countries do supplies to different countries and doesn't mean military involvement. >> ben carson camp also said that the media needed to start doing homework. by the way, we did our homework. jim sciutto talked to two u.s. military sources at the pentagon and they say there's no evidence of china military actually being on the ground in syria. so there's that. next, jihadi john, the isis executioner responsible for these murders has likely been killed in an airstrike in raqqa. what kind of blow is this to the isis operation as a whole. also ahead, a u.s.-aided push to e destroy strongholds in iraq
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drone strike on a car in the city of raqqa in syria. jihadi john was believed to be inside that car. all of this unfolding just a day after isis claimed responsibility for a deadly series of bombings near a refugee camp in beirut. so joining me from beirut is our correspondent clarissa ward. let me begin on what more we know today with regard to the cents bombings. what more do we know about the bombers themselves? >> what we know definitively is at least two suicide bombers hit that area. this is a shiite/muslim enclave. we know that 43 people were killed, more than 200 people were injured. additionally, there appear to be conflicting reports about a possible third and fourth bomb er. cnn has spoke on to a lebanese security official who says there was a third bomber, who was
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killed, but whose vest did not detonate and a fourth bomber has, in fact, been arrested. authorities are continuing to question him. what we know for certain is this is really the first time that isis has claimed responsibility for such a large and bloody attack. it is important to emphasize that while lebanon is no stranger to sectarian conflict and spillover from the war in syria, this is the bloodiest attack we have seen here in well over a year. >> what about bigger picture. you have u.s. has been ie highlighting the developments with regard to jihadi john, mount sinjar, talking to a reporter in iraq raising the kurdish flag, retaking that from isis. but as you point out in the last 48 hours, they say they carried out this terrorist attack in beirut. does this really showcase the reach that isis's influence has? >> i think what it really
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showcases is what isis's strategy is here. and isis's primary strategy at this stage is to destabilize the region. it's looking for soft targets. this was basically a commercial area with shops and caves, not a terribly tough place to get a suicide bomber into, but the repercussions are enormous. what you see isis doing is exploiting these tensions and sectarian divisions that it already exist throughout the region and trying to fan the flames of those divisions with the hopes of creating chaos, that they can then come in and try to exploit the vacuum. >> clarissa ward, thank you very much. coming up next, i want to e show you vice president joe biden in a way you perhaps have never seen. this is last night at sur kus university. this is where his son beau had gone to school. he did something and said something that has to be done about sexual violence on college campuses. my next guest will talk about the vice president's comments,
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vice president joe biden is telling college students across the country it is on them. he's on a week-long tour pushing the it's on us campaign. it's an initiative that challenges students, men and women, to do more to take more
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responsibility to stop sexual violence on college campuses. his latest stop is syracuse university. here's the vice president sharing stories he's heard from survivors of date rape and he roared at the students reprim d reprimanding them to stand up against sexual assault. >> it is the worst of all forms of violence. and women who are abused by someone they know are much less likely to recover than women who are abused by an absolute stranger. all the data shows it because women say, i should have known. what did i do? what was it that happened that caused him to think that i was like that? guys, it's not complicated. you're an upperclassman.
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you're at a fraternity party. a young girl gets drunk like too many do. she's nearly passing out. when you see your roommate or your fraternity brother walking her upstairs, have the gumption to step in, tell him, expose him, save him, have the nerve, look at that young woman as if she were your sister or your mother. you know it's wrong. you know. >> wow, lynn rosenthal, the f m former white house senior adviser on violence against
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women. the current vice president of the national domestic violence hot line. thank you so much for being with me. my goodness, i have seen that clip now multiple times and every time you feel it. you feel it in your bones, this message from the vice president. >> you absolutely do. vice president biden has committed his entire career to try u to change the culture that allows sexual violence to occur. you can see it here. he's very inspirational to the students he's talking to. >> to me, he hit on it. i want to play a little more. the heart of his message about others. he says, guys, it's not complicated about jumping in. >> it's not easy. it takes a lot of courage for a man to step in. that's why we have to find other means on campuses. there ought to be telephones. there ought to be ways you can text quickly something is happening. i don't expect everybody to walk
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up to the 240-pound guy when you're 5'9", 148 pounds. but at least you can holler. >> let me get some numbers. the cdc is reporting more than half of female rape victims report by being attacked by an intimate partner and 40% by an acquaintance. you mentioned getting on your cell phone, but what kinds of resources other than elbowing your way in and may go downhill quickly, what other resources are available on these college campuses? >> bystander intervention is really about changing the culture. so it has to do not only with stepping in if you see something that's about to occur, but educating yourself, speaking with your friends, challenging sexist jokes, speaking out about violence against women. it's not only what happens in the heat of the moment. it's about changing the culture that allows the violence to continue.
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more and more schools have student hch driven programs today that teach these skills. that encourage students to speak out and that really work to change the culture on college campuses. >> how do you measure that? it's this intangible. we're talking about a culture change. how do you measure that success on these college campuses when so many people, as you well know, don't come forward? >> first, we have to understand the scope of the problem. studies have shone over 20 years that 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while in college. each school needs to understand what that means in their situation. so we encourage them to conduct their own studies and find out the incidents of sexual assault among their students. only when they understand the scope of the problem will they know what it is they need to do to address it. >> tell me more about this it's on us campaign. >> it's desowned to get everyone involved. the idea is it's on us to speak out. it's on everybody. it's on students who see a friend who may be in trouble.
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it's on young men wto challenge this culture can where sexist views as a conquest. but it's also on school administrators to do their part. to have clear policies that say sexual violence is unacceptable to hold those commit it accountable, to make sure there's clear punishment and sanctions if somebody commits it. and finally, to teach the student body about what conduct is acceptable and not acceptable. and to hold them to it. that's what it's on us is really all about. it's on all of us to change the culture. >> and i know you told the story, beau did jump in, he talks about the example about the frat guy and the drunk freshman girl. but let's just be real. it's also women as well who can be astute and aware and jump in. ladies, don't let your girlfriends -- don't let this happen to them. >> we need to take care of each
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other. many young women have served as bystanders. but what we have to do is not just watch out for each other, but stop committing it. the real message is don't commit this kind of sexual violence. as much as we want to look out for each other, what we really want is the culture to change so this just does not happen. >> lynn rosenthal, so glad we talked. this is so important. i just love the vice president's message at syracuse. make sure you watch the cnn special. it's our film "hunting ground", a close look at sexual assault on college campuses. it premiers thursday night, 9:00 eastern and pacific here on cnn. do not miss that. coming up next, we have much, much more on the big story today. this airstrike targeting isis killer jihadi john. a top u.s. commander calls him, quote, a human animal, and says the world is better off without him. plus the breaking news involving the supreme court in a major abortion case.
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let's get to it. the breaking news here, top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. the u.s. supreme court just announcing it will hear an abortion case that could be the court's most important pronouncement on this very issue in two decades. let's go straight to washington to our justice correspondent pamela brown, who can break this for us. what's the case about? >> this will no doubt be one of the most watched cases with the supreme court announcing today it will weigh back into the national debate over abortion. the justices will hear a challenge to key parts of texas's 2013 abortion law, that groups say is one of the most strict nationwide. the restrictions in this law
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threaten to leave the state with ten clunices. opponents say it puts a a burden on women seeking legal abortion and an awe tempt to put an end to abortion. supporters of the law say it's minute to protect women's health. one provision that the justices will be looking at is a provision that requires doctors who perform abortions have privileges at a nearby hospital. the other mandates that clin cannics update facilities to hospital-like standards. the court has not heard a major abortion case since 2007. the stakes very high here, brooke. >> when would a decision come down? >> the decision will likely come down next spring, early summer. right in the heat of the presidential campaign. that is something that is not lost on the justices. and you may recall the last day of the term of last term there was a 5-4 court temporarily blocked the law from taking affect. a decision to say this law could not move forward. that suggests that once again this could all come down to
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justice kennedy. >> pamela brown, thauk very much. now to the other huge stour we're following today. the war against isis, the terror group ejected from a key iraqi city while their propaganda machine suffers a huge blow. an airstrike is said to have killed jihadi john, the chilling voice of isis, the brutal masked beheader who took the lives of three americans on camera. the u.s. saying it is confident that a drone armed with missiles took the right shot over seyria blowing up the car that british citizens travel in. >> we are reasonably certain that we killed the target that we intend ed to kill, which is jihadi john. this guy was a human animal. >> this as we get word the isis reign and at least one city is now over after killing and raping citizens of sinjar.
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this subjecting many thousands to lives of slavery. the kurds have moved in so bolstered by coalition-led air power. it's been declared a success. so to our pentagon we go to barbara starr. how will we know definitely whether or not they got him? >> it could take awhile. and technically they may never actually know. here's where it stands right now. british and u.s. intelligence services are scouring everything they have look iing for social media accounts, intercepted communications, any indication from the isis organization, sometimes when these leaders are killed they post funeral mess e messages. so they are going to be looking for that as some sort of ultimate confirmation. what we do know the drones had followed him around for about 36 hours when they pick ed up his
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trail and followed him in raqqa as he made several stops, went into buildings, came out and at the last site he went in, came out, got into a car and that's when they took the shot. under the rules of engagement that the military has, they had their so-called eyes on him at all times. they are convinced that that was jihadi john and that he got into that car and that's when they took the shot. they don't have people on the ground. they don't have the dead body to verify it or the dna evidence, but they trailed him the whole way and really do believe they got him. >> barbara starr, thank you so much. certainly r for families and friends of different isis victims, the probable end of jihadi john is absolutely personal. the masked man taunting them before slaugt eeri erinerin ere slaughtering their loved ones. while in captivitcaptivity, one
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converted. he joined the army in 2006, was deployed to iraq the following year. he answered a different calling. he founded a a nonprofit to deliver aid to syrians. isis militants captured him in 2013. joining me is a friend of his and also the daughter of an ex-hostage who spent seven years in captivity bf he was released in 1991. thank you for coming in. i just wanted to hear the personal stories of people who have lost loved ones through this murder. when you first hard the news, what was your gut reaction? >> i mean, i'm not wasting any tears on him. i think the larger problem here is that somebody asked me ear earlier in an interview and i replied that the jihadi john was like a wart on isis's nose. he's the first thing we notice, but his loss is not going to -- >> so many others above him.
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he's the person we see in the videos with the knife, but there are so many others who the colugs needs to take out. >> they are not paying the price for what they did. >> let me look down and read a piece from an article you wrote before his murder. to those he helped, america is peter cast cannic, who sat in the rubble with them and put bandages on their wounds like cracking jokes while he did so. he's everything that's right with our country, that drive we have to find to fix to help and to save. tell me about the last time you saw him in person. >> i actually threw him a a good-bye party because he was moving to work had w his ngo full-time. i was leaving for awhile. so i threw him a party and it was a really great night. i'm glad that's the last memory i have of him. >> and the last tomb you saw his image was on a computer screen?
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>> yeah. i couldn't watch the whole video. >> how did you expect -- did you ever even think about how we would get jihadi john? did can you ever imagine how he would be killed? >> honestly, i hadn't spared him very much thought. to me, he is just a symbol. i think the real criminals, the real culprits are not doing that much to address them in the long-term. so when that happens, i'll celebrate. >> with your knowledge of lebanon, we have been reporting these twin suicide bombings. 24 people killed in beirut near this refugee camp. as we're talking about victories with hopefully this jihadi john hit and sinjar with the peshmerga there, how influential do you see isis now when we talk about them or an affiliate claiming responsibility in
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beirut? >> i think lebanon has a huge isis problem and it's only going to get bigger. >> why do you think that? >> i have been watching that develop for two and a half years now. i have been reporting it. i have seen them gradually whispers of them grow to having a solid foothold in certain areas and now i think they have realized that this tactic of mass terror killings in lebanon is extremely effective. it's unstable and won't take very much to send it over the edge. it really worries me. >> message for peter's family? >> i will actually be seeing them soon. >> save it for them in person. thank you so much for the time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, to politics and donald trump on this tirade against ben carson calling him pathological. it all started with this interview with erin burnett here
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at cnn. she will join me onset about what was going on behind the scenes of this bizarre interview. plus ben carson raising some eyebrows saying he he has intelligence that the chinese are in syria. now the white house says not true. after backlash, ben carson is revealing his sources. welcome to election 2016, folks. i'm brooke baldwin, this is cnn, we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] if you don't think "i've still got it" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp." life reimagined gives you tools and support to get the career you'll love. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities.
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you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. donald trump before he went on the 95-minute tirade in iowa last night, the republican front runner talked to erin burnett a ahead of time. we got a bit of a preview of what was to come. definitely unloaded here on ben carson and on critics of his immigration plans. listen as he doubled down on his plan to deport 11 million
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people. >> how do you take 11 million people and make them leave? >> you do it through a process. >> they are not going to want to leave. you'll have to hire a lot of people. >> they are here illegally. if a person comes awe cross the border and send them back, there's not a big court situation. they send them back. >> excuse me. >> what's the difference between somebody who comes over the border and he's here for a year and you bring him back. there's no difference. wh >> logistically there's a difference. >> we wouldn't have to find them. >> you have to have the money and the people. >> you can do e-verify where the employers aren't going to be hiring them and everyone is going to go back. that's one way of doing it so you don't have a problem. >> there's been an estimate. the number is big. to get these people out of the could be try, 600 billion dollars. it's bigger than the department
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of defense. >> they also say it's $15 billion to build a wall that i'll do for $6. >> are you sending in officers? >> we're sending in a very nice way. we're going to be giving notice. we're going to be saying you have to go back to wherever the country is. it's going to be all different countries. it's not one country. back to the country. we'll take them back to the country and do it in a humane way. between e-verify and other systems, a lot of that will happen automatically. >> here she is with me, erin burnett. also with me is michael d'antoni. so e we saw it play out. you got the preview. tell me more about what was said in the behind the scenes? >> he was passionate about it. there's no question. he believes in what he's saying. he was excited to go out to his
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iowa rally. he was doing the demonstration with the belt buckle. but he believes his plan can work. he's tapping into his where a lot of people have frustrations. a policeman being run over and essentially scalped by the car. there are a lot of people who say that shouldn't be happening. any illegal immigration plan that allows that to happen is not okay. that is what he's doubling down on and that is the audience he's going for. >> this is what he said about ben carson's past. >> he said he's pathological. somebody said he has a pathological disease. other people said he said in the book that he's got a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem. because you don't cure that.
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i could say as an example child molester, you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. pathological, there's no cure for that. >> pathological, the child molester, the no cure, you got it first. the nation in iowa got it later on in the night. my question is having sat with hum for a a number of interviews, how much of that is choreographed? what he's going to say, the lines he uses. >> i think this stuff is in his head a lot. he thinks about words like rapists, murders, pathological, child molester, these are hot words. so if you say that kind of thing, you get attention. i actually wrote a book about the sex abuse crisis in the catholic church and people abused as children are outraged today. they don't think you should just throw around this word child molester as if it's an example
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of something and attach it to a person who is just another candidate for office. this is a a horrible thing to do. >> it was not off the cuff. i think he did it purposefully. the first time he said it was in the interview. but i think that he believes it is a fair word. because what he's saying and he was careful to say that the situation he says is why are we in a situation where if someone is telling the truth they edadm they are trying to hit their mother in the head with a hammer. do you want somebody to be president who did those things? that does equate to someone who tried to kill their mother. >> i think that's how he sees the world. >> that is right. so to him to bring this home, to make the point clear because i think he thought people did not -- people were focusing on is ben carson telling the truth. he thinks if it is true, it is a problem. and he wants to change the conversation. he's very good at doing that.
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>> what else did he say that jumped out at you? >> in terms of the use of the word pathological and his ability to hone in on a word and make a word come alive, he used that word eight or nine times in one answer. and he was very careful to say it's not my word. ben carson describes himself as pathological. so in other words, it's not on me. but he went through every example of what ben carson said. told the story. told the story. and he knows exactly what he's doing. >> he's a very attuned person. he understands psychology. he understands how to manipulate people. he's been kind of on this long publicity con for his whole life. expanding his own credentials, expanding his own achievements and dismissing other people. this is why he calls people stupid or fat or ugly. >> manipulate though is pa jortive. you could say rallying.
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so many people have really -- you saw the people behind him in iowa after he was using e these words after your interview and people were like, yes. so i guess we shall see. >> he is touching on something real on the ul legal immigration issue. which is people don't think it's fair when a lot of people wait years and years in line to become citizens in this country for teem people to come in illegal and by virtue of having a child have the benefits of citizenship. there there are a lot of people who are not radical right wing who have a problem with that. that's what donald trump is trying to connect with that. >> people have strong feelings and like to see feelings expressed in a strong way. it's refreshing. the entertainment value is really high. >> thank you so much. make sure you watch her at 7:00 each night here on cnn. coming up next, ben carson, he is doubling down on his assertion that china is currently engaged in the crisis in syria. he also says he has better sources than that of the white house.
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the chinese are inside syria. did he say it? what did he mean? ben carson pushing back slamming the media over exactly what he meant when he was asked about u.s. operations inside o of syria during this week's republican presidential debate. here is ben carson in his own words. >> what we have to recognize is that putin is trying to really spread his influence throughout the middle east. this is going to be his base. and we have to oppose him there in an effective way. we also must recognize that it's a very complex plaus. the chinese are there as well as the russians. >> that was this week in the
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debate. officials are saying they have no idea what he's saying. ben carson says his intel on syria is better than the president's. >> someone did tell me he said that earlier today. i guess it's not common that maybe it violates my job description as a spokesperson to be speechless. i think in this case i am. >> so join iing me now is cnn senior political correspondent and jim sciutto, our chief security correspondent. ben carson said he had these sources about china in syria. you have these documents and the sourcing. where is this coming from? >> it's right, we have the documents here. it's about 15 pages.
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part of it is a newspaper clip. part of it is a statement from his communications director commenting on what's happening here and he chalks it up to misunderstanding. here's what he had to say. china has had long standing and well-documented security ties to syria and has provided military weapons and equipment that syria is using in the current conflict. ben carson does not believe china is currently fighting in or deploying troops to syria in contrary to press reports he has never made that assertion. that's a common tactic of the carson campaign to sort of blame the press for things. we are reaching out to the carson campaign to figure out who their sourcing is. but this is something that the
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carson campaign addressed today. they first made this assertion in the debate saying that china was there in syria, which obviously people took to mean that china was in fact there and had a presence, not that china was selling supplies to syria. >> so supplies. weons on the ground, jim sciutto, you have all kinds of great sources at the pentagon. tell it to me straight. what's the situation in syria. >> we did do our homework. we reached out to military officials and they say there's no evidence of a chinese military presence. they haven't seen it. the campaign walked back the comment to some degree to say what he's talking about is china has sold weapons to players in syria and that may well be true. the fact is a lot of countries sell a lot of weapons to a lot of places. countries from all over the world to u.s. certainly included. that does not constitute necessarily a military presence in that country. it's certainly an influence, but
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the fact is if you were going to pick the countries involved in syria, you have a long list before you get to china. you have the u.s., a whole coalition of countries flying bombing missions there alongside the u.s. now you have the russians, israeli jets striking there, saudis supplying missiles to some of the weapons groups and so on. you have a lot of players in there with a more significant role before you get down than list to china. >> jim sciutto, thank you for setting us straight. let's talk about all of this with counterterrorism analyst buck sexton is with me. good to see you, sir. to jim sciutto's point, you have to go down a really long list before you get to china. you heard josh earnest laugh at the briefing at the white house. >> i think laughing is a little unfair. he wasn't saying that china is at war in syria.
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that wasn't what he was going for. >> that was the issue. >> he's clarified and walked it back. was it a stumble, sure. do we expect ben carson is going to be the most adept on foreign policy, no, we do not. it's not surprising. that would probably be untrue, but ben carson, nonetheless, is somebody who people are inspired by for a variety of reasons. his depth on foreign policy is not one of them, but that's something he can get up to speed on. and the reason the base liked him is his honesty, his character, the integrity he shows, his life story, and i think people are impressed by someone who has had tremendous success in something other than professional success and promoting themselves and raising money. that's part of this as well. he will be forgiven by those who like him and those who have an open mind and say china is at war in syria. it's not really what he meant.
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he's walked it back. >> we have clarified. let's talk trump and what that was last night in iowa. what are you rolling your eyes? >> yeah. >> this is part of what trump was saying with regard to bombing isis. on the back end of this, you'll hear from president obama responding to not just people like trump, but also ben carson. here you go. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i would just bomb those suckers. and that's right, i would blow up the pipes, i would blow up every single inch and there would be nothing left. >> what do you think when you hear ben carson say this it would be easy. we can take isil out by bombing the oil fields.
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>> what i think is he doesn't know much about them. and look, i think it's fair to say that over the last several years, i have had access to all the best military minds in the country and all the best foreign policy minds in the country. >> so i don't know, part of when donald trump was talking about the generals and what he knows, i know nothing a about that. i do know that what he's talking about bombing the oil fields, there was an article from "the new york times" this morning to his point, u.s. steps up attacks on oil fields in syria. that was something that perhaps people laughed off months ago. there you have it. your response to that. >> certainly, cut iting off the flow of funds to the islamic state is part of the various options you can take to try to actually degrade and destroy the group, which is a stated admission from the white house. you have to weigh the benefit. s and the draw bobacks. the drawbacks in what is now the
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islamic state easter toir is we are hoping that the kurds and government in baghdad and others will be able to take back this territory and they will have to rebuild this and make it more difficult. there's the civilian casualties. while donald trump is speaking like an '80s action hero appeals to the base and is entertaining, it's not really serious policy to say we're going to bomb the blank out of somebody when you recognize there's much more complexi complexity. what level of civilian casualties will you take, what infrastructure are you willing to destroy. we have a lot of accumulative knowledge. we have many troops who served in iraq. we have fantastic minds who looked at the problem for a number of years. and counterinsurgeonty is a difficult task. if you destroy too much, you have to rebuild it and hold it. that becomes something you have to take into account. >> can i clarify. if i'm hearing you correctly in the last 120 seconds, you have defended carson and gone on
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attacking trump. >> defending carson's character. not on the point of china. but trump yesterday even for trump this was off the tracks. this was something different in the last 24 hours. the way he's going after ben carson is quite honestly beneath even the donald. >> buck sexton, great to e see you. thank you so much. still ahead, donald trump, rails on anything and everything from ben carson suggesting voters in iowa and around the country are stupid for believing what is in the doctor's book, for supporting him. we have more on that. ams more on the breaking news, the u.s. confident jihadi john is dead. we will take you to the front lines in the war against isis. nick paton walsh embedded with forces as they declared a major victory in. sinjar in iraq.
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the black isis flag is no longer flying over a crucial part of iraq. talking about sinjar, western iraq there, a highway that passes through the city linked isis held mosul with the holdings in syria. today peshmerga forces declaring victory over the militants after their year-long rule of terror. the operation including pounding airstrikes from the u.s.-led coalition and u.s. troops were in the field calling in airstrikes from key positions there near sinjar. joining me is nick paton walsh near this part of iraq. and nick, black isis flag gone.
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resistance gone as well? >> reporter: resistance that seemed relatively heavy, but the peshmerga came in and saw and joined ourselves in overwhelming numbers. hundreds of them on foot moving at about 11:00 this morning. they initially encountered a lot of heavy machine gunfire and isis appeared to melt away relatively quickly. they left in their wake a staggering number of booby traps, tunnels dug under the roads connected to barrels of explosives. they have gone underground and some disguised as peshmerga. at one point, a group we were traveling with, that caused thunderstorm to fire back and two of their number were injured. they think by annists i sniper. it's obvious the peshmerga have control of this. they haven't flushed all of isis
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out because it is rubble. barely a building not half destroyed or severely damaged by the airstrikes, the suicide bombing, the car bombs, and the fight with the coalition. little really to live in left there. a lot to rebuild or perhaps you start from scratch. but the fundamental point of all of this is that it appears if the peshmerga get their numbers together, the coalition will back them up with consistent airstrikes and willing to work with each other. the question we don't have the answer to is did isis give up or simply unable to fill enough forces to hold on to that town. that's what e we don't know. they have left lift in the wake for those who fled the reign to go back to. >> nick paton walsh in sinjar, thank you so much. keep up the excellent reporting. next, back to politics.
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donald trump's tirade against ben carson going so far as to reenact one of the violent acts carson says committed as a child. we'll talk to michael smerconish and get his take. plus two women killed in the charleston church massacre spoke with us here. what they are doing now to preach forgiveness around the country. ♪ every insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. for those who've served and the families who've supported them, we offer our best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. ♪ [meow mix jingle slowly anright on cue.cks]
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unconventional, unapologetic and last night in iowa he was unplugged like we have never seen him. 95 minutes the front runner unleashed a series of attacks. he attacked the president, he a attacked isis, hillary clinton, but most of all it it was his competitors. he called marco rubio a baby. he said john caustic was b bugging, but he focused on ben carson and what he wrote in had his auto biography. >> ben carson is an enigma. had he wrote a book and in the book he said terrible things about himself. he said that he's pathological and that he's got basically pathological disease. he took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friends, but low and behold, it hit the belt. it hit the belt. and the knife broke. >> i have a belt.
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somebody hits me with a knife it moves this way. it moves that way. he hit the belt. anybody have a knife and want to try it on me? >> how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap? >> with me now is cnn political commentator michael smerconish. i have been talking to so many people about this, but i have been waiting to hear from you. >> mutually assured destruction. mad in the cold war, it doesn't help him and it doesn't help ben carson either. it helps take both of them down. and by that i mean the issues he's raising, i think they are worthy issues for discussion. they are fan it's a call some of those stories. the story about the belt buckle
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and the story about what happened when he was pranked at yale as an undergraduate. but this is not the way you raise them. >> but michael, we have been talking about donald trump how many months now? i have talked to analysts and pundits and you saying this comment, this time, this is going to hurt him. it never does. >> it certainly hasn't and let me just tell you i am a loser. i'll beat. him to the bunch. you're right that when he said what he said about john mccain, i thought this was the beginning of the end. i'm telling you there's no way that this could win over the people necessary to be victorious in a general election. it cannot happen. if he's at 25%, he's at 25% of what? 25% of the electorate. he's somewhere in the 5 to 7% range of the overall populous. that doesn't get you home. it may help you run a competitive race in iowa, but you cannot be elected president
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saying those sort >> that was donald trump last night. >> yeah. >> here is ben carson reacting today. >> now that he's completed his gratuitous attack why don't we press on and deal with the real issues. you know, the reason that i'm in this race is because there are some real profound issues that effect the trajectory of our country right now. that's what the people of america are concerned about. not so much politics as usual. politics of personal destruction, that's what people are sick and tired of. and i'm hopeful that at some point we reach a level of maturity that we can actually deal with the issues that are facing us right now and stop getting into the mud and doing things that really don't matter. >> okay. before i come to you here's what strikes me about this. i feel like i saw the most fired up ben carson when he was talking to allison camerota.
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donald trump, we heard him pathological, like a child molester, no cure. >> that to tweet out earlier in the day that he will pray for donald trump. this plays very well to ben carson's core constituency which are evangelicals. because, brooke, remember how those stories each end. those stories of ben carson, they end with a religious epiphany. there's a great sense of forgiveness among his evangelical followers say we're not going to question the story bo because of how it ends. >> incredible piece in "the washington post." i'm sure you read about the anxiety, the talking about this whole draft romney idea. now, listen, mitt romney's not going to run for president. we have sources talking to romney, people saying no. but the calls are coming in, which tells you what? >> i don't believe it. first of all -- >> what don't you believe? >> i believe 50% of "the
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washington post" story. i believe the 50% that says the gop establishment is in a panic. that i believe over the prospect of trump or carson being the nominee. i do not believe there's any kind of move afoot to draft mitt romney other than those who work for romney in the last cycle and feel left out and they want to play. >> what if trump and carson were not in this race? who would we be talking about? >> if trump and carson -- great question. yeah. well, i'll tell you what it would look like. it will look the way it will look in a couple of months. >> okay. we'll see if you're right this time. >> cut the tape. i said a couple of months, right? >> michael, thank you so much. make sure you tune in. make sure you watch smerconish here tomorrow morning on cnn. couple of months, huh?
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cnnheroes.com. and before i let you go, we have been covering a lot of terror, a lot of tragedy, schoolyard politics today, so this is what i wanted to leave you with. with a story of hope and forgiveness. and amazing women. nine church members murdered inside the historic emanuel ame church in charleston, south carolina. glamour magazine honoring this week family members who lost loved ones. and we spoke with two of the hon honorees about what they have done in the months following the attacks to foster healing and unity. >> my grandfather was very strong. he was strong physically. and he was strong mentally. and i'm just so proud of the way that he lived and the way that he died. he was a servant of his community, a leader. >> i too am proud of where she was and what she was doing when she left. i think she was a borrowed angel. they all were.
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>> although they died at the hands of hate, they lived in love. and they preached love. and that's what we wanted their legacy to be. forgiveness isn't for the shooter or for that person, forgiveness is for yourself. there's no way that any of us could go out and preach love and harbor hate at the same time. and so when you forgive somebody for whatever it is that they've done to you or to your family or your friends, it's not for them. it's so that you regain the power of your own heart and of your own mind. >> we need to move forward. and i know personally i can't move forward knowing that i'm giving my power or the power from my family members that were lost, and i say family members because i think they're all family, i don't want to give that power away to anyone. i knew what they stood for. and i wanted to be known that they're still here in their
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spirits. and we will carry out the love that they were showing. >> thank you, ladies, so much. by the way, started the campaign hate won't win, the president and first lady have joined in. if you want to learn more go to hatewon'twin movement.com. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. "the lead" starts now. thanks, brooke. if jihadi john ever wondered if there was any place that got hotter than syria in the summer, well, he might have gotten his answer by now. "the lead" starts right now. isis in retreat from a key iraqi city as the pentagon says it is almost certain a missile incinerated the human animal known as jihadi john, the masked isis terrorist with american blood on his hands and his knife. trump nado, his stunning relentless tirade and blistering attack on dr. ben carson among others. the speech clocked in longer than some ftu

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