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at this point, the death toll stands at 153, the majority of those killed were killed at the concert venue. we will continue to cover this all night long. we'll have resources all weekend we'll have resources all weekend long. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com > breaking news break>>s reeling frreeling from coordina attacks. r at leaat leastp at l aftp after multiple shootin several explosioseveral expld e bataclan concert hall.ataclan s.w.a.t. teams stormed the venue, killing four attackers and sending hostages running for
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their lives. at the stade de france a soccer match was interrupted by the sound of explosions and at least one suicide bomb. listen. the paris prosecutor's office says five suspected attackers had been neutralized, their language, not ours. the official claim of responsibility, no official claim of responsibility but isis is applauding the attacks online. residents of paris warned to stay indoors and the borders of france in an unprecedented move are closed tonight until further notice. joining me is jim bittermann in paris. what is the latest information you have? >> well, don, from the scene here, the emergency vehicles have left, mainly, and i think the scene around the bataclan,
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theater, is still being checked by police officers. we can't get too close to it. but we've been able to talk to a couple of people who have come out and passed by here as they have left, people that escaped. one was a guy named ruben paris a 30-year-old gentleman in the concert and he described the scene as absolute chaos. he said the gunman came in. he didn't hear them shout anything. he heard the sound of the gunfire. the gunfire came in bursts. there was chaos, people tried to scramble over security barriers to get out. people fell on each other. he says he walked out stepping on people. he didn't know whether they were alive or dead. he managed to get away from the scene unhurt. it was a scene of chaos inside and with that number of dead, apparently the gunmen just went from one group of people to the
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next, killing them. it is a -- just a chilling scene, don. it's the kind of thing that is unimaginable. >> so, jim, we are getting word that the suspects have been neutralized. what are you hearing about the suspects? >> well, we don't know too much about the suspects themselves. we haven't been told much about them. but i think it may be early to say that all were neutralized. some people may have gotten away. one witness who talked to cnn earlier who said that he saw some of the gunmen get into a car and leave. if that's the case, they may still be out there. and i think one of the things that happened here that kind of indicates that and speaks to that is that president hollande
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has closed off the borders. we saw dog units out here earlier. i'm not 100% sure especially since they closed down schools and actives, i'm not sure that the authorities feel they have gotten everyone. >> our jim bittermann in paris tonight. we'll get back to you. stand by. a chaotic scene outside the bataclan theater in paris. an amateur photographer shot this video and posted it to shoeshl media showing wounded people on the ground and others trying to offer comfort and assistance before paramedics were able to get to them. let's go to pierre buet who was outside the concert hall that was attacked earlier. you are at the bataclan concert hall. tell us what the scene is like at this moment.
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>> at this moment i cannot say. we're not just in front of the bataclan. what i can say that earlier the scene was one of a war zone, one of a central paris very, very, very known district with a lot of young people going out and it was turned into a war zone for a few hours. armored vehicles, about 200, 300 police. heavily armed police, tactical teams taking up positions. the atmosphere was very, very tense. and every few minutes we could hear shouts, screams, horrified screams coming from inside theater. as the hostages were evacuated from outside theater. >> so talk to us about the hostages who were brought out. what were their conditions? >> i would say that they were in a state of -- they were horrified, blatantly by what
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they had just scene. some were holding their heads. some were completely disoriented. some of them were just being held by police, just accompanied out of the nightclub and just trying to get a grip, really. >> you said they were holding their heads. were they saying anything? >> i couldn't hear any words because i wasn't that close. i was 30 to 40 yards in front of the entrance of the bataclan nightclub. i could hear screams, though. i could hear a few quite horrifying screams. >> it was chaos, i would imagine. this theater holds about 1500 people. that is a pretty big crowd. >> a lot of people thankfully, thanks to the work of the police forces, a lot of people managed to get out. the first assault through the front gates of the nightclub
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just about an hour after the beginning of the standoff. and a few hundred hostages were evacuated at this point. and then later about 20 minutes later, 20 or so, and then 50 or so hostages were taken out of the -- evacuated of the nightclub. >> so as we understand, pierre, president hollande came to the hall. what did he say? >> i -- i'm sorry, i was just in front of the bataclan at the point -- when mr. hollande made his presidential address and i did not hear what hollande had to say on the issue. all i could hear was gunshots at this point. >> understood. i will tell our viewers that he said they will face a france that is determined and united. we want to thank pierre very
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much. pamela brown now joins us with information from her sources. >> counterterrorism officials in the u.s. are busy trying to piece together what happened here. and they are alarmed by the apparent meth appare apparent methodology. there are tactics from various terror groups. so it's a bit of a guessing game as to who could be behind this. but i will tell you, this is what law enforcement officials have been concerned about for a while. there are people in europe who may travel to syria and iraq and get training. and officials say it appears the people involved with this had
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some level of training, some level of preparation that went into this. at this hour i can tell you that law enforcement officials here in the united states, federal law enforcement officials are going to their sources domestically and overseas trying to gather any information to see if there were warnings before this happened. they are putting additional scrutiny and surveillance on high priority targets here in the u.s. the concern is there could be copy cat attacks. there is no information that an attack will happen here in the u.s. but officials are concerned and they are increasing security at certain places in the united states, soft targets and sensitive areas as well. >> we are seeing that isis is applauding the attacks online but no claims of responsibility yet, correct? >> no claims of responsibility yet. and it's no surprise they are applauding what happened.
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but officials say even if isis was behind it, they wouldn't be surprised if isis isn't taking responsibility yet, if that is, in fact, what happened. they say they could be working on messaging, that kind of thing. that could be behind the delay here. but again, they don't know what terrorist group is behind this. there is a lot of certainty that this is an international terrorist event but who is behind it is still unclear and there have been no official claims of responsibility. >> stand by, we'll get back to you. of the 153 victims, 112 were killed at the bataclan concert hall where patrons were listening to an american rock band. a survivor tells us what he saw. >> they were not moving, actually. they were just standing at the back of the scene, at the back of the crowd.
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and they were just shooting on the floor because everybody was on the floor. and i seen one of the guys very young, actually. he was, like, 18 years old, 19 years old, 20 maximum. and he was executing people on the floor. the person around him. he was holding his rifle, shooting on people. so they were not moving, actually. they were just standing at the back of the concert room and shooting at us like as if it were birds. >> to another witness on the phone. joining me is a witness to the shooting at the bataclan concert hall. good evening. we're glad that you are okay. you were outside the concert hall five minutes before the shooting. tell us what happened. >> i was in the pub. i'm walking next to the
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bataclan. and we heard, you know, about three or four explosions. and we think that was just -- but that was guns and we realized after maybe 20 seconds and so we goes out and we took all the people and inside with the people. and we protect them. >> so you went in and you said you protected them and they may be because you are a former police officer, correct? >> yeah. correct. >> when you heard the shots, what did you think it was? >> i thought it was -- [ indiscernible ] but after two or three, i realized it was gunshots. so i just goes out and i protect the people, you know, inside. >> you thought it was auto fire, like a car backfiring? >> yeah, that's what i mean.
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>> and immediately you didn't know it was gunshots but quickly after it continued you realized it was. >> i realized because i heard, at the same time, it's -- [ indiscernible ] so when you know it, you know what it is. >> so as we understand that people have been helping each other. people waving people into their nats and into their homes to get them out of harm's way. you gathered people on the street into the cafe where you were. how many people were with you? >> about between 20 and 30. i think it was something like 25, 26. >> and what was their reaction? >> they were really panicked. they just stay on the floor and protect themselves. so we just have to close the door and call the cops. and that's all.
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you know, just speaking with them. that's really it. >> at that moment you had no idea what it was. you obviously realized -- >> for me, i was sure about what happened but i could not say to the others. i just want to protect their minds. >> were you afraid it was going to spread to the cafe? >> yeah, yeah. for sure. i was afraid about that. i closed everything. >> are you afraid for tomorrow? >> yeah. >> why so? >> you know, i'm afraid about what can happen. but i believe in the cops and the official forces. so i don't know what to say. it's really official what i feel right now. i'm under the mood, you know. >> so listen, we're thinking about you, stay safe. appreciate you joining us
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this evening. gregory philips is deputy manager of radio france. good evening to you, mr. philips. >> good evening. >> what are your reporters telling you? >> well, it's been, like, such a [ indiscernible ] they're still on the field. right now it's more than 4:00 in the morning. and they're still in front of the bataclan and close to the stade de france and the north of paris and the situation is still not very clear. we know there has been six places attacked by these terrorists but it's not still very clear if some of the terrorists are in the streets of paris or not. so at that time, it's almost the morning news they are going to start in one hour and the situation is not clear. >> the information we are getting, mr. philips is that five suspects have been
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neutralized. any idea how many more they are potentially looking for? they said they neutralized, they believe, all of them. this is not cnn's reporting, but they may be looking for accomplices. do you know how many more they are looking for. >> absolutely not. terrorists neutralized. two or three were at stade de france. there was a game tonight. and they were chemicals and killed by their own explosion, two or three people. and inside the bataclan, three or four terrorists have been killed. but we don't have any idea if there is one or other terrorists on the streets. and i can tell you the situation in paris is very tense. it's not so easy to get a taxi. people don't want to go out and governments and the mayor are
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apprising people not to go out. we have no idea some terrorist on the streets right now. >> i want to talk to you about what eyewitnesss are telling your reporters. but before you answer i want to play a clip that you provided where a witness says they heard a gunman shout allue akbar. [ speaking in french ]. >> so, mr. philips, that is very true significant evidence as to a motive. >> of course. it was like 11:00 in the evening. and as you can hear he was crying just going out of that concert hall, the bataclan. he says he tried to escape and
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save his life and his mother's life. and after he said that, i heard that guy. and they had guns and they scream screamed allah akbar. and we are just ten months after the attacks of "charlie hebdo." >> and bataclan is not far from "charlie hebdo" headquarters where that attack happened in january. let's talk more about the suspects, the attackers here. there have been reports that three of the attackers were wearing explosive vests. is that what you're hearing? >> that's what said on the air or investigators. but we don't have any official confirmation right now. >> i also want to talk about the security in the city. i know that the president, francois hollande, said that the attackers are going to face all
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the force that france can muster. they must know they will face a france that is determined and united. what about security in the streets in the city tonight? >> right now, we are a state of emergency. we know that schools will be closed tomorrow. and we know that a lot of soldiers and policemen will be on the streets. right now it's the night. but tomorrow morning, it's obvious that the people will probably be scared and they won't send their children to school and that's going to be a very tough day tomorrow. >> i want to ask you, as well about -- after "charlie hebdo," i would imagine that tensions have been high there, that parisians have been on alert. but security had been increased at some venues and areas recently. are you getting reports that
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there was intelligence of the possibility of this type of attack? >> well since the attack on "charlie hebdo" we know that france could be a target because of what the french government decided to go against isis in syria. so we knew for sure that france was a target and we are high alert for the last ten, eleven months. i have to say sadly, not so surprising. >> thank you, sir. gregory phillips, we appreciate you joining us. i want to bring in phil mudd here. let's talk about what the gunmen and the clothing that they were apparently wearing according to eyewitnesss and to what they're telling the reporters there, three of the attackers were wearing explosive vests and also
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allah akbar, what does that tell you? >> this is what we expect in a classic isis inspired attack. the number of people, the fact they are killing civilians indiscriminately. the vests are interesting from one particular optic. you look at that and say they must have been planning to increase the number of civilian casualties. i think individuals are going into a location, anticipating or expecting to lose their lives in this attack. if they had been approached by police or involved in shootouts i would have expected them to use the belts to kill themselves so they could not be captured. this reconfirmed that this was potentially an isis attack. though it doesn't look like a suicide operation, a backpack or an explosive-laden vehicle, they re going in there without
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expecting to come out alive. >> this is a translation that we're getting here on cnn what you heard that we played for the newspaper editor there. in the middle of the concert there were guys who arrived and they began to shoot at the entrance. they shot into the center of the crowd while yelling allah akbar with scatter guns. i think because they discharged and after the concert stopped and everyone lay on the ground and they continued to shoot at people. >> look, one of the things you have to understand about what they are yelling when they go into theater and the ability to sit there in cold blood and murder people, we think of these people as islamic extremists. they probably are. there is another way to think about these people, this is a cult culture. you have a relatively small group of people in a closed
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circle. they do not allow other ideas to enter that circle and they think that the murder of innocents are acceptable. you can understand this through the lens of radical islam and you can understand this through the lens of people in circles so tight that persuading each other that murder is acceptable becomes second nature. they went in and said we are going to kill everybody we can find and they persuaded each other that that is perfectly appropriate. >> i want to bring in mike rogers. mr. rogers, i want to ask about this, five suspected attackers. have been neutralized. that is not our language. and five suspected attackers. but we are not sure that's all who were involved in this attack. in these attacks, i should say. >> i find that highly doubtful. if you look at the sheer number of the sites that they cover, there is a logistical tale on
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each one. you have a bomb maker. the suicide vests at the stadium came into france. they were probably assembled in france. you have the transportation people. if you just do the number, and i know there have been u.s. intelligence reports that there was at least two per station, that means that there are some folks unaccounted for and that could swing from eight to 24. and they need to worry about this. there is likely more than this in the city of paris. >> a soccer game, restaurant, concert hall, places where people gather on a friday night. this is the essence of terrorism.
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>> absolutely. we saw a change late last year when there was some folks who had been radicalized in australia and were going to syria to fight. and isis recruiter said stay in australia, randomly pick people off the street, chop their heads off and videotape it. luckily the australian intelligence services and law enforcement interceded and stopped that plot. but then canada happened and others. and you saw this steady drum beat from isis saying we want these small local targeted attacks. make them happen. this one is bigger than that. this is a complicated thing to pull off in the way they pulled it off. >> mike rogers is standing by along with philip mudd. i want to bring in mia bloom. why is no one taking
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responsibility for this? >> it's interesting. we are looking in arabic on some of the isis sites and they said not yet, be patient. patience is a virtue. so they're deliberately not taking any credit. my interpretation of this is they are unwilling to say anything because there may be some of their individuals out and about. they don't want to reveal anything that might contribute to their larger network being captured. >> listen, we have heard again and i asked the question to the newspaper editor there was a heightened state of alert after "charlie hebdo." and recently venues had extra security added. they may have been expecting some sort of attack or gotten word of an attack. have you heard anything about that? >> i think it's along the lines
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of what michael weiss was saying earlier, that there have been introductions in term of the social network sites and social media to encourage individuals to act and to make the streets of paris run with blood. this is something that has been out on isis social media to make people very concerned about what might be sort of in the works. but i do think it's important that we hold off on prejudgment because there's been so much misinformation disseminated. and if these gentlemen who had suicide vests available to them and didn't use them. to me that tells me they didn't want to be suicide bombers. like in the mumbai attack, you had guys with suicide vests and they had a plan to go to multiple locations and exact as many casualties as they could. >> philip mudd, what do you make
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of the heightened sense of security lately in paris? >> we were talking about the security in paris and whether anyone has claimed responsibility for this. the first thing to think about is as soon as we identify these individuals and look at their social media trail, it is not clear we find they claim responsibility there. i would hold off on whether they said anything or whether they bragged about what they were about to accomplish. the second thing is when we see these decentralized organizations that are a contrast to what we saw with al qaeda. last week we see isis in the sinai taking down a russian aircraft. i wonder if isis central here didn't know what was going to happen and so they are trying to understand what happened before they get out and make a statement, don. >> philip, mia, and michael. stand by.
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president barack obama spoke about the paris terrorist attacks from the white house briefing room. here he is. >> this is an attack not just on paris. it's an attack not just on the people of france, but this is an attack all of humanity and the universal values that we share. we stand prepared and ready to provide whatever assistance that the government and the people of france need to respond. france is our oldest ally. the french people have stood shoulder to shoulder with the united states time and again. and we want to be very clear we stand with them in the fight against terrorism and extremism. >> you are looking live at one world trade center adorned in white, blue, and red in solidarity with the people of france tonight. let's talk with john miller.
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i imagine you are getting information at all time. is this a wakeup call to america? >> not at all. that would go to the assumption that we were ever asleep. from the time of the mumbai attack where you saw active shooters, the use of explosive devices, suicide bombers and so on, the nypd under then commissioner kelly began to put together a comprehensive response plan for something just like that, which is actually just like this. >> 160-some people died in the mumbai attack, 300 or so injured. this appears to be 153 at this moment. there is a comparison to make this a mini-mumbai and some people are calling it that. >> i think it's early but if you look at what we've seen so far and it's early, you have the
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same tactics, training and procedures apparent here as mumbai. and if you look at the paradigm of that attack, it is low tech. it's low cost. it's extraordinarily high impact. and i think if you look at the emerging terrorist groups, there is a move away from the spectacular attack of towers falling and things that are very complicated, expensive and hard to pull off especially against a much improved intelligence apparatus. this is harder to detect and harder to stop. >> you coordinate with the french, nypd who coordinate with the french. are you getting information from them? >> from the moment this attack started we were in touch with the nypd post in paris. i just returned from paris after the "charlie hebdo" attacks, where we walked backwards
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through all of the implications of that attack with our french counter parts with their tactical people, with their hostage negotiators to learn how we would handle something like that here. we'll do that here also. >> one of our reporters reports that u.s. intelligence agencies are looking for any indication there may have been advanced planning or coordination. have you got any indication of that? >> not yet. we are scanning some of the same channels in the internet looking for what the various groups twitter feeds and others in social media are talking about and working closely with the fbi with the joint terror task force in new york to see what is
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coming over the other places more protected. >> in paris you had bombings, shootings, hostages. help us understand you what police officers are up against for an attack of this magnitude. >> you are looking at a couple of things. first you want it to not happen. on the intelligence side you want your human sources. you want your signals intelligence. you want alert people reporting things to the police. and you want to detect it, interdict it, stop it. that's what our investigations are for. there have been since september 11, 20 plots against new york. two were stopped in june, one including pressure cooker bombs, another included the planned beheading of a target here. this is part of what we do. the second thing is if it happens because if it's a group of people who get together and they have guns and they strike at random locations, as we kind
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of saw in paris tonight, how fast can you interdict that. and new york is probably positioned to stop it faster in progress than any other place. >> as we look at live pictures of times square right now, just 24 hours ago, a little bit more than that, the breaking news story last night was the jihadi john. that he had been somehow targeted for an attack, a drone attack in raqqah, syria. what is the timing? is that significant here? >> i don't think so. and i'll tell you why. it would be extraordinarily difficult for any terrorist group or independent group to pull together a complex multi-location plan that included improvised explosive devices in that amount of time and execute. on the other hand, you can't eliminate a possibility that
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there was a plot on the shelf and someone green lighted it. >> we were looking at pictures of times square. new york is a sense of heightened alert. we are a target as we know from 9/11. what can you tell us about that? >> when these attacks began to occur and we got our first flash from our postin paris and began to follow it through open source media, first of all, we took out our response to the "charlie hebdo" attacks which was basically the french package and we said where can we add protection right now? we took a number of french locations and had people respond there. some of them were already protected. the second thing we did was look at the type of targets these are public venues and tourists spots and bars and restaurants. so we added people to times square, hercules teams, heavily
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armed people with long weapons out on the street where people could see them. in penn station, grand central, times square, the barclay's center, madisoning square garden. we increased that presence with two distinctive purposes, one, to reassure the public, if they were worried that the police were out there and ready to respond. and, two, to make it apparent to anyone thinking about anything that the police were out there and equipped to respond. >> and not just new york city from california to the lapd, and boston, massachusetts where everyone is on high alert tonight. the bomb was put on the russian plane killing more than 200 people or so. no one has claimed responsibility for that. but isis is celebrating online. is this an isis style attack? >> i think it is too early say
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that definitively here. >> the u.s. embassy is trying to locate all americans in paris right. in the u.s., americans concerned about loved ones in paris should dial this number, that number is 1-888-407-4747. 1-888-407-4747. the state department urges all u.s. citizens in paris to contact their families but americans in france who need stance can call this number, 011-202-501-4444. 011-202-501-44. let's leave the numbers up for just a moment so people can copy them down. there they are up on your screen. we will read them to you again.
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breaking news right now, the u.s. embassy warning americans in paris to shelter in place in the wake of tonight 's terror attacks. u.s. citizens are advised to pay attention to local authorities and stay aware. we'll update you on the airport situation as well. some flights into paris have been cancelled. one of the attacks took place at a paris stadium where a soccer match was underway. the french president was there. the sounds of at least two explosions caught by cameras broadcasting the game. listen. [ speaking in french ]. >> a western intelligence source tells cnn that at least one of those explosions appears to be a suicide bombing.
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a dismembered body at the scene would point to that. joining me, michael weiss, paul cruickshank, mia bloom, philip mudd, and mike rogers, cnn national security commentator. paul, as the scale of this attack sinks in. put this into context for us. >> this is absolutely staggering what we're seeing play out in paris tonight. seven different locations targeted simultaneous strikes, suicide bombers, hostage takers, gunmen with kalashnikovs, a mounting death toll which is at least 150. it may go up significantly the. this is a extremely serious moment for the west. if this is isis this is a very serious moment for the west in
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its fight against isis. there have been mounting concern about this. the president of france saying that every week they are uncovering new signs of terrorists plotting, that the threat was unprecedented. they've seen over a thousand french nationals go to syria and iraq. hundreds and hundreds returning. they don't have the resources to watch them all all the time. unfortunately, unless something is done to address the root causes of the terrorism which is this safe haven in syria and iraq, i think this could be the new normal. >> they are concerned about migrants and syrian refugees and what plays into this. i want to ask you, michael, who do you think is responsible? is it too early to tell? >> i think it is. although i'm inclined to believe it leads more in the direction of isis than al qaeda.
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if you look at the level of the attack the level of the sophistication and coordination and the way they waged this operation it's like a military assault like how they go after check points in iraq and syria. in half an hour you had seven attacks in a wide gee graphic expanse. they did a lot of reconnaissance work. an eyewitness in theater reported there was no baggage checks or anything like that. that means that the terrorists had scouted it and attended a concert. it's too soon to tell based on just eyewitness reports. rumors of people talking about syria and iraq. >> let me read you this. in the middle of the concert. this is the translation we have from the eyewitness. in the middle of the concert there were guys who arrived and they began to shoot at the
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entrance. they shot into the center of the crowd yelling allah akbar with scattered guns. and the concert stops and everybody lay on the ground and they continued to shoot at people. what does that tell you? >> they are trying to attack western society. you can't tell based on the tactics, the choice of the targets shows you they are trying to send a clear message. i don't think there is honestly at this point all that much you have to worry about. you have to take all the same security. as for what is going on, they are trying to send a message. this is the essence of terror, if you are at a restaurant in a concert, in a stadium in paris, in france, in any part of the land of war, you are a target and subject to this kind of
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vicious and sadistic annihilation. as long as the islamic state operates as it does, as a terrorist state this was inevitable. it was only a matter of time before we went from a lone wolf who is a crazy person with a gun, we have a sophisticated multiprong attack with surveillance on site and people who know what they are doing. >> you say this is inevitable. and when i asked john miller if this is a wakeup call to america, he said that it is not because that would assume that we have been asleep. do you think it's a wake up call? >> i think it is in the sense you can't allow this festering sore of the islamic state to have training camps and bring jihad "i"s all over the world. all of these things have been happening. they have been promising since the incursion into iraq that they would bring this war to
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europe's doorstep which they have done more than once. and that they would bring the war to us too. we didn't care all that much about afghanistan until the towers fell. when you have this sort of a situation and this level of sophistication, plot, train, recruit and gather resources and a stated mission. that you are not trying to set up a technology center here. they want to attack the west and america. that is the purpose of the islamic state. it was only a matter of time before we were hit in this way. >> mike rogers, this is coordinated. the question is how coordinated was this? and how long does it take to plan an attack like this? >> well, i mean, obviously, the details of that will come out in the days ahead. but clearly this took some time. it looks like reconnaissance at the stadium. you had to wonder about the
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president's presence there. that would tell you how much time with that notification. but they pick the big venues. that would take surveillance and logistics. there are other people involved who are not the operators who showed up on these sites. and same with the restaurants. you know the more i'm hearing of what's out there, don, the restaurant nearest may have been choice, an opportune target mainly because people were out on the street and they were firing from an automobile. i don't know if the type of restaurant had to do with it. when you look at that and how it had to be coordinated over time, this took months and they had to have meetings, discussions, conversations, you know, that's what is so concerning about all of this, all of that planning process was missed and it took time for it to happen. >> mia bloom, intelligence officials are monitoring the
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chatter going on out there. but when something like this happens the chatter goes quiet because they know that people are look with a more critical eye at this point. >> you have exactly both examples are true. you have a flurry of activity of people who are congratulating people and you have people who are quiet going underground. we don't know if you are looking at the right individuals, whether they are just fan boys or these are individuals with an operational capacity. i think it's important to understand looking at "charlie hebdo" as a template you have isis working together with aqap. so the whole debate as to whether it's isis or al qaeda might not necessarily be one or the other. we do have people who are drawn together. they might affiliate with different organizations but they have a hatred of the west of the
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united states or france or whoever. the fact remains is that the individual pledges of allegiance that the operatives make is less salient that they can work together temporarily and then we see them enlarging their capacity because they can draw on operatives from a variety of groups. >> philip mudd, the concern is a second wave. what are they doing to prevent that? >> you have to think of a co sen trick circle with three rings. ring one, have they picked up a cell phone from any of these individuals. i want to know if there are communications in the past 24 to 48 hours that suggests over conspirators. ring two, documents, explosives, weapons, travel, communication, i believe there has to be a support network of people trying to escape now. one of the reasons that the president of france has closed the borders.
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ring three and final and that is are there people who are aware of this and didn't say anything in advance of it. there is a ton of people like me trying to pick up information about the identities of these individuals to map out that spider network of who supported this. >> panel stand by. when we come back, much more of our breaking news tonight. the deadly coordinated terror attacks in paris. when you booked this trip, you didn't know we had over 11,000 local activities listed on our app. or that you could book them right from your phone. a few weeks ago, you still didn't know if you were gonna go. now the only thing you don't know, is why it took you so long to come here. expedia. technology that connects you to the people and places that matter.
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it is already saturday morning in europe where people are wake up to shocking newspaper headlines about the attacks in paris. the guardian with a headline, horror returning to the heart of paris. that is a reference to the attacks at "charlie hebdo" in january. and on the front page of the sun, massacre in paris. and that is the times as well. tom foreman show me where this happened.
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>> this didn't happen in the heart of paris that the tourists know. and in fact the most terrible part of this in terms of the number of people killed in theater, it happened in a short walk from the "charlie hebdo" offices. this theater is not a particularly large theater. it seats about a thousand people. so it's a popular venue there nonetheless. this picture was tweeted out from the bassist of the band before the concert. and at street level you can see what was confronting police where the people were being triaged afterwards. this is where we had the biggest number of casualties. we know there were several other attacks. we'll look at three major sites right now. we move to the cambodian restaurant up here. this restaurant is not, again,
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necessarily, a tourist site although it does show up in some tourist magazines and things like that. very popular with young people in what is a very densely populated neighborhood there. you had people who were killed and injured over here. there were people injured in over here. this is the second big target out there right now. and you go to what theoretically would have been the largest target which is the stadium to the north of town, a big soccer game going on. 80,000 people in the stadium. this is where we had two explosions, including what police now say was one suicide bomber. and yet in terms of the number of people wounded or killed this is one of the smaller locations. all of this geography is what the authorities will be looking over in the coming days to figure out how the targets were chosen and how did they coordinate all those people on
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this day. >> tom foreman. thank you very much. i want to bring back my panel. michael weiss, mia bloom, mike rogers, and also lieutenant rick francona who joins us as well. and buck sexton who is former cia. you believe that this, paul, there are indications that point to isis. >> i think if you look at the indiscriminate nature of the violence, the fact they just opened up on restaurants that could be a point more toward isis than al qaeda. the reason for that is in 2013, the leader of al qaeda put out a new guideline for jihad saying that al qaeda shouldn't launch indiscriminate attacks because muslims could be killed in those attacks. when the "charlie hebdo" attacks were happening in paris, the two al qaeda recruits, the
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brothers -- it could point more to isis than al qaeda, the nature of the targeting this evening. the fact they had up to six explosive devices, suicide vests, all that points to an established terrorism outfit. you're not really looking at this point at a lone wolf style plot. we have never seen a lone wolf style like this. >> i think it is most likely the islamic state at this point. that's the best estimate you can have. as you look at this we're going to find there were networks of individuals who were aware of this if not involved in this. there will be follow on in the days ahead. they will pull phones and get a sense of the electronic signature. but this has been promised by
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the islamic state. and to this point we have been largely lucky in the west. >> stand by, we are going to reset. we want to reset here on cnn with the breaking news. 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. in paris. the city of light reeling from a night of brutal coordinated terror attacks. at least 153 people are dead after multiple shootings. several explosions at the stade de france and a strategic at the bataclan concert hall. here's what we know right now, the california band eagles of death metal playing when terrorists storm the hall shooting 112 people and taking hostages. s.w.a.t. teams storm the venue and send people running for their

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