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the islamic state. and to this point we have been largely lucky in the west. >> stand by, we are going to reset. we want to reset here on cnn with the breaking news. 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. in paris. the city of light reeling from a night of brutal coordinated terror attacks. at least 153 people are dead after multiple shootings. several explosions at the stade de france and a strategic at the bataclan concert hall. here's what we know right now, the california band eagles of death metal playing when terrorists storm the hall shooting 112 people and taking hostages. s.w.a.t. teams storm the venue and send people running for their lives.
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at the stade de france, a soccer match is interrupted by explosions including at least one suicide bombing. the sound of explosions caught on this vine video. the paris prosecutor's office says that five suspected attackers have been, quote, neutralized. no official claim of responsibility but isis is applauding the attacks online. let's discuss with cnn's correspondent jim bittermann. jim is in paris where this happened. give us the latest. >> in the last hour, the paris prosecutor's office has told us they could not -- this is what we were talking about an hour ago, they cannot positively confirm that all of the attackers and all the gunmen have been tracked down and killed. that speaks to the fact that the borders of france have been
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sealed and neighborhoods have been closed off and police are taking exceptional measures to search and look for weapons and that sort of thing that indicates that they may think there is still somebody out there that was involved in this. they are doing a lot to track down. here at the scene, about 150 yards behind me, the grim business of going through the carnage is taking place, for the police and people from the coroner's office sorting through the bodies. in fact one of the people that came out that escaped alive said that it was absolutely chaos inside, that the gunmen went from group to group just shooting and killing them in cold blood and he tried to get out and he did successfully get out. he said it was chaotic and everybody was scrambling to get away from the gunmen.
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he didn't hear them say or shout anything. they scrambled over security barricades. the barricades collapsed. he said he walked out on bodies and he wasn't sure if he was stepping on dead people or live people or whatever but he managed to escape without injury. it must have been a terrifying and chaotic scene. >> you are a resident of paris. tell us what it is like especially in an unprecedented move where the borders of france are closed. >> this has never happened before. this has absolutely never happened before. and i think when president hollande addressed the nation both from the scene and from his presidential palace, he was clearly shaken by this. this went above and beyond anything that anyone could have imagine here, and this friday the 13th attack was something
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that the french were not prepared for. we have emergency meetings going all night long with the interior minister and other people. we have not seen the interior minister which is quite strange. i'm sure we will see him in the early hours of this morning. there have been meetings after meetings and an emergency defense council meeting at the presidential palace that will start in a couple of hours. but it's a question of what can they do now? the president announced the securing of the borders but he said they will be stopping and searching things and the mayor of paris said they will be closing down schools and anything that might have been open tomorrow. tomorrow is actually today, saturday, that might have been open that would attract a crowd. even the grocery stores, i think he means the bigger grocery stores will be closed as well. it's a grim scene here. >> coming up on 5:05 saturday morning in paris.
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thank you, jim bittermann. appreciate that. let's go to shane mcmillan, an american and eyewitness to one of the shootings. tell us where you were at which of the locations were you last night when this happened? >> i wasn't in any of the locations. i was at a friend's house which is right behind -- right behind bataclan. so we heard what we thought was fireworks and then when it wept on for a little too long we realized that it wasn't and it went on for a very long time. about 45 minutes or so from what we could tell. and when the gunfire kind of slowed down, me and my friend went down on the street and right at that moment they were bringing people out of bataclan and bringing them around the buildings on the block and they were putting them into the courtyards that were kind of jutting off on the streets.
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and they were using the courtyards and the hallways of the buildings to triage the people coming out of the club. >> what were the various conditions of the people if you could get that close when they were being brought out or coming out? >> it was all around in every direction. we came down the stairs of my friend's apartment into the courtyard and surrounded by people who were being just at that moment brought in. and they were pretty severe, pretty severe injuries. i don't want to go into detail but it was -- it was a lot. >> so it was fatherly severe and gruesome. and i understand you don't want to go into it. emergency personnel were treating people on the streets, correct? >> i don't think they wanted to do the treatment out on the streets. i got the feeling that they were afraid there could be other attackers coming and they didn't want people looking down from
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the apartments. so they were trying to do it in sort of a somewhat sheltered space. that's why they were taken them -- >> they were outdoors. in the pictures it looks like they are treating people on the street or trying to load them into the ambulances as they are helping as well. >> they would take them into the courtyards and get them stabilized and bring them out as the ambulances came down the street. they didn't want people all over the sidewalks and the streets. it was a lot of people and a lot of injuries. from what i heard from people who were inside there had been at least one or two explosions and so there was a lot of people who had shrapnel wounds and other people who had gunshot wounds. >> paris is a behemoth of a city and at 5:00 a.m. now, what is the city like? are people still out, or is it
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quiet? >> it was pretty quiet afterwards. i was out o the street until about 2:00 in the morning. and what happened was i was -- because i was staying on the street where it happened i was inside of the perimeter and the people who were walking around on the street were taken and put in a courtyard so they wouldn't be privy to everything going on around just in case there was any sort of flare ups or anything like that. i didn't see a lot of things after a certain point. we were put in there and all watching the news and talking and we were let back out around 1:30 or 2:00. and at that point i walked the block as much as i could. it was just kind of already at that point the people had been taken to the hospital and it was just the remains of the entire situation was being cleaned up. >> as we are looking live at the
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streets of paris, i don't know if you can see air, but what i'm wondering from you is how are you doing after experiencing something like this even though you were not at the venue? >> i'm fine. it's not about me, it's more about the people who were in there. i -- i was talking to -- i didn't really feel like -- i'm a photojournalist and i didn't feel like taking photos. i only took a few. i mostly kind of would stop and talk to people who i felt needed it. and there were some really shaken up people out there. >> absolutely. we agree with you. and everything you just said. thank you shane mcmillan. i appreciate you doing an interview with us at 5:00 in the morning at paris. let's move on now.
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this person heard the explosions as he was covering the match between germany and france. how are you doing this morning? >> a bit sleepy. i was sleeping, yeah, when the phone rang. so sorry, i'm awake now. >> so where are you now? back home? you were able to leave the stadium? >> no, no. i went -- the whole thing started, people were using the hashtag on twitter, #porteouverte, which is open door in french and people were offering free places to stay for people who got stuck somewhere because the transport was shut down and especially for me because i was staying at my friend's place where this was happening. and my friend was staying with her cousin and i couldn't get there. so i was stuck. and i saw twitter tweeting these things and people were just offering me a place to stay.
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and i ended up at a couple's place about ten minutes walk from the stadium because i was told from a lot of people that it was quite dangerous. the people -- the people who were doing all the shooting were still at large in paris. and the stadium is in the suburbs and i wanted to stay there. >> as we understand, people have been -- a lot of people are in the same predicament that you are and parisians are offering for people to come into their homes and flats for safety and also because they need a place to sleep. >> yeah, yeah. and i've been very, very lucky that i -- this couple was letting me sleep here. it was a bit of a long night. and i was having to sleep. >> so let's listen to this, this is video of the explosion and then we'll talk. here it is.
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[ speaking in french ]. >> okay, so we can hear the explosion. but we can't see where it is. so where was the explosion and how many explosions did you hear? >> i was inside the stadium. and i was shooting -- and i heard it twice. and it was one of those sounds that was a bit strange to be fireworks at a european match you have a lot of fireworks. and i just didn't really think it was a firework, a normal firework sound and it was outside. i could hear it was outside. i didn't really take much notice of it at that point. and then second half, i was on the other side of the stadium
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and i heard it a bit more fau faintly the sound. and i didn't take note that much because i was working, shooting. and i got a crazy text message from my wife saying are you all right? there was an attack in paris. i couldn't text her back. when you are in the stadium, so many people using the phones at the same time, the signals get jammed. i think she was worried. i wasn't texting her back. and i got eight more text messages, stay safe, don't do anything, just get out. i heard there was a bomb at the stadium. so i couldn't really understand what is going on. i spoke to her just right after the match. i think she was probably on pins and needles until she got a call from me later on. >> thank you, ryu, appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> ryu was in the stadium when
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the explosions happened. cities around the world paying tribute to the victims of the paris terror attacks lighting up landmarks in french national colors. looking now at one world trade center right here in new york city. and then there is the cn tower in toronto, city hall in san francisco and the high roller observation wheel in las vegas as well paying tribute to the victims in the paris attacks. joining me is peter king. good evening to you, representative king. i asked john miller of the nypd and our terrorism experts if this is a wakeup call for us in america, what do you make of that? >> i think it should be. too many americans, too many people in politics and the
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media, i think they somehow put 9/11 in the recesses of their mind. the world is as dangerous today as it was on september 12, 2001 and this was proven tonight in paris. i think americans should look at this and realize it could have been us. you go back to the fourth of july when there was evidence of a possible terrorist attack. and fortunately five isis opentives were arrested in the new york city area and we were not attacked. if they were not stopped it could have led to an attack similar to what we saw in paris tonight. this is an enemy that is diabolical. this morning when the president was on television saying that isis is contained, i don't know where he got that from or why he was saying that. i'm saying that is an indication of the country not taking this threat seriously enough or realizing how ongoing it is.
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>> so how vulnerable, then, are americans in your estimation, particularly in the wake of such a big attack or attacks. how vulnerable are we here? >> not as vulnerable as the french. the french have excellent intelligence and security teams but you have the open borders of europe. you have thousands of europeans, many hundreds of french going down to syria to fight with isis to become trained as terrorists and work their way back up through turkey and they're in france. and this was the fear of these foreign fighters returning home and carrying out an attack. that well could have been the ones involved in the attack tonight. france has that issue with the open borders and the approximpr to syria. but in the u.s. we have to be very concerned. we can never let our guard down.
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just over the fourth of july, a few of those isis operatives had gotten through we could have had a massive attack. we also have the self starters in the u.s., those who have been radicalized over the internet. that is a threat we have to be concerned about and take seriously. the copy cats and also the organized -- those who are actually trained by isis or by al qaeda. no, this is a very real threat. we've had 50, 60 al qaeda or isis operatives arrested in the u.s. just this year. a few get through and we could have a disaster. >> as a chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism, was there an indication of this attack prior to this attack? >> there was none that was seen at the time. you will see over the next several days a reexamination of all the intellgence that we
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had, any conversations, anything at all to see if a signal was missed. it well could have been. that's within of the realities of intelligence. it's something that later on stands out, does not look that important at the time. all of that is being analyzed. all the intelligence that we have and our allies have, we'll be going through that in retrospect to see what we missed and what that could mean for attacks in the future. >> this is the quote from the person who was in there. they shot into the center of the crowd yelling allah akbar. what is that telling you? >> that is an indicator these were islamic terrorists that carried it out. if i had to bet, it is isis rather than al qaeda. right now i think isis is on the upswing. they are most on the offensive. and they're the ones who have had the foreign fighters down in
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syria and going back into france. so clearly, i mean, unless the world was turned upside down this was clearly an islamic attack and probably isis. >> representative peter king, we appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> very good, thank you. >> i want to bring in evan perez, what are you hearing tonight? >> one of the things that congressman king talked about is on the mind of u.s. intelligence officials we have been talking to tonight. they're looking at the fact that this appears to be a very well coordinated attack, simultaneous. we're talking about all these attackers who carried this out at the same time. that takes a lot of planning, it takes a lot of support. that's what is on your mind now and they are looking at the intelligence that the u.s. already has. they do a lot of collection of
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communication overseas. and they are keeping an eye of the people in france especially who have gone gone to syria and iraq and returned from that fight and are now in france, the french have said that they have a hard time keeping track of perhaps over 1,000 people. the u.s. says they have about 250 people and they sometimes have a hard time keeping track of those people. imagine trying to keep track of over a thousand. and that's what is going on now. we know that they're going back through all the intercepts and all of the communications that the u.s. already has. they are sometimes in these attacks they go back and they find there were messages being sent that perhaps didn't get the attention at the time they were sent but now make more sense given what has gone on in paris. this is something that is going to be much clearer to us in the next 48 hours, we expect, don.
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and the fbi and dhs have their command centers up and monitoring the intelligence coming in from overseas. we expect that picture is going to become more clear in the next couple days. >> evan, thank you very much. the world reacting with horror to the paris attacks. joining me is elise labbet. >> president obama had just spoke with president hollande about the upcoming g-20 meeting in turkey where they would be talking about extreme terrorist groups like isis, president obama speaking with president hollande offering american
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people's condolences for the attacks in paris. the president said the u.s. steadfast unwavering support for the people of france, the u.s.' oldest ally and friend and the two leaders pledging together with nations around the world to defeat the scourge of terrorism. and clearly, don, this attack once again on the people of france, but really this president of the u.s. and so many leaders around the world expressing solidarity really feeling this is an attack on all human kind. >> we have been speaking to some americans who are over there this evening. what of a u.s. citizens in paris and overseas, what of their safety? >> thousands of americans work and living and visiting paris, the state department's hot line is being flooded with calls. state department offering a hot
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line for americans, for family and friends of americans worried about someone. if an american is worried about someone in paris they're being asked to call 1-888-407-4747. those are for the families of americans in paris that are worried they have not heard from them or checked in, worried about their welfare. and americans needing assistance if you are overseas and need assistance call 011-202-501-4444. u.s. consular officials on the ready to offer assistance to americans and also combing through lists of people entering hospitals and morgues trying to make sure that all americans are accounted for. >> thank you, elise.
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joining me now paul cruickshank, buck sexton, mia bloom, mike rogers. and lieutenant colonel rick francona. and i said buck sexton. how could an attack this big and complex come off really without enough warning to stop it? that goes first to you, buck. >> i think we will see there were warning signs and things that were missed. the french have capable intelligence and security services. they have some authorities that we in this country might think they have a tremendous amount of ability to do surveillance and things necessary to protect from this attack. but it's an open society and they have a large muslim population that terrorists are
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allowed to or able to hide among and engage in this kind of attack. i think they have spent a lot of time in france. if they were not born there spent years on the ground to get the weapons, the explosives that they have would require familiarity with being there. i don't think -- this isn't in any way tied to the flow of immigrants. i don't think you will find this is the case. this is a constant issue with terrorist, we have to be right 100% of the time. and that is just asking too much especially when you have a massive i massive incubator. >> i agree. i also think, look, as many guests have said this evening, this speaks to the level of sophistication. this wasn't teenagers who got lucky. it looks like they had proper
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military training and the logistics and coordination between and amongst them. >> john miller said -- i don't want to put words in his mouth but i think he said it's not sophisticated but it is coordinated that these types of attacks are scaled down so they could carry out more of them. is that correct? >> it is a combination of a shooting attack and a bomb that went off successfully, perhaps not killing as many as they intended. but, still, you know, and the fact that it all happened within the space of a half hour suggests to me that this has been long planned and there is a central command. not saying it's not coming out of isis hq in raqqah. the caliphate has expanded in a way that many did not for see. it is getting the affiliates and
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sleepers to declare allegiance and conduct their own operations and to give credit globally to the al qaeda brand. >> these are coordinated, multiple crime scenes and different locations. >> i think the short answer is the french are overwhelmed by the numbers that they're having to monitor, they opened surveillance files into more than 5,000 islamic extremists throughout the country. they can only monitor a few of those 24/7. there have been more than a thousand french nationals traveling to syria and iraq. they are aware of 250 that have come back. that's just the number they are aware of. i think all of this tonight makes me think of a terrorist plot that was thwarted in
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january in belgium. three gunmen in belgium. the commandos went in. they had kalashnikovs, they had explosives and police uniforms, u.s. and belgium intelligence officials telling me that plot they believe was directed by the top leadership of isis in syria. this is a group increasingly into the international terrorism business. the events of the past few weeks have really illustrated this, the attack in turkki, more than 100 killed. the attack in beirut yesterday, 40 or 50 killed. the isis suicide bombers claim taking down that russian metrojet and so on. >> mike rogers, i want to ask you this, when you hear of people stuck in a concert hall
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for hours with gunman going through, just really gunning them down one by one, how do people recover from that? what does that do to a nation's psyche? >> it's a host of things. first of all they'll have to evaluate their raid team. the fbi has an hrt team which is responsive to events like this in the united states. the french have something equivalent. they will do that evaluation. the psychology people will take a toll for some time especially people in theater. they will need extra help and attention. and i'm sure that the french government will make sure they get a lot of help and counseling. you will see that for kids and people exposed to what this is. and the sad part about this is this is exactly what the
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terrorists want. they want that shudder, that terror, that feeling like can i sit down in that cafe and have a cup of coffee on the street. when you start asking that question, they're winning the fight. >> mia bloom, the fact that they are not wearing masks inside of theater. that means they are not afraid of being recognized or identified. >> we had a similar -- a comparable example in mumbai where not all of the terrorist operatives were wearing masks and they were walking freely. we do have different kinds of comparisons. i would say that the attack by the chechens is similar attacking at a theater. and that siege lasted more than three days and it was a different dynamic that went on. so i think the way in which the
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french went in was much better. they were quick, they were fast and probably saved a lot of lives. from what people have come out and said, the terrorists were just mowing people down. so we do have at least the ability to say that the french were very prepared. however, they were still taken by surprise and i think that we have to understand the way in which terrorist networks operate, they operate secretly. and while there is a bystander effect we don't know any of that for several days. right now we are just guessing. >> lieutenant colonel rick francona, does it seem like they were targeting a particular kind of place or person. these are all places that would attract a younger group of people. >> that is an interesting selection of target venues. they don't have a lot in common or go after national symbols like the eiffel tower. so you know, it is puzzling as
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to why they chose those seven different locations. i think they were trying to strike at france. i think we are seeing isis looking at who they need to go after outside of iraq and syria. they went after the russians because they just started a campaign in syria. france announced they are going to start bombing in syria. so they have a real desire to go after the french. hezbollah, the target of the attack yesterday in beirut, increased hezbollah activity in syria. they pick these targets for a reason. but specifically, these targets in france, you could make a case for the stadium. it's a large venue. but they went for soft targets. and i think what we are looking at in this operation is fairly sophisticated planning with a simple execution. they did a lot of research on how to the this. somebody had to move those
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weapons and train the people. but the execution was walk into a theater and shoot as many people as you can. or walk into an area and blow up a suicide vest. it's a lot of sophistication in the planning side. >> everybody stand by, the deadly coordinated attacks in paris is our news tonight. we'll be right back after this break. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever?
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see for yourself at t-mobile.com/coverage. cnn national correspondent jason carole is live in times square where security is being tightened tonight. speaking to nypd, jason you are in the heart of new york city in times square. tell us what is it like? >> we have seen a heightened state of alert out here. and the officers that we've seen, right in the middle of times square. you spoke to john miller about the nypd activating several counterterrorism units like the hercules team. these are officers who are highly trained and highly armed.
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they are agil. and an extra presence throughout the weekend at new york city nightclubs and theaters and museums. this is a precautionary show of force. no specific threat to new york city. john miller, the deputy commissioner of counterterrorism spoke about the assessment that took place after the attack and where the extra security was needed in new york city. >> look at the types of targets. these are public venues, these are bars and restaurants and so on. so we added people to times square. hercules teams, heavily armed people. srg with long weapons out on the street where people can see them
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in penn station, grand central, times square, the barclay's center, madison square garden. we increase that presence with two purposes, one, to reassure the public if they were worried that the police are out there and ready to respond, and, two, to make it apparent to anyone thinking about anything that the police were out there and equipped to respond. i think we did both tonight. >> and, don, i also want to point out that new york city has one of the most sophisticated counterterrori counterterrorism units in the world. new york city will be reaching out to its french counter parts in the coming hours and days. and new york city's mayor spoke out as well, saying that new yorkers' hearts go out to the people of france and new yorkers stand in solidarity with the people of france. >> let me ask you, you have been about town not only in times square. as we look there, it doesn't
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look as if as many people are out in times square. 11:30 on a friday night. the weather is good and are you seeing more people or less people out and more security or less in other places? >> you know, don, it's a good question, in terms of security we have seen increased security. i took the subway over here. i saw a number of officers there. in terms of traffic here, i mean, in some ways it does look like the type of night you would see out here in times square, a number of the tourists that you you see out here. i guess it's hard to tell in terms of the number of officers this is unusual. this is not something you would see on a typical night in new york city in times square. you would not see these types of heavily armed officers here. in terms of the number of people, it's really tough to game. >> jason carol times square for
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us. stay safe. thank you very much. newspapers in france reacting. carnage in paris. the keep just says one word which describes it, horror. another headline is war in the center of paris. and another, this time, it's war. tonight 's terror attacks happened in multiple locations in and around paris. and tom foreman has more on that. take us there. >> interesting about this, don and we have been talking about the idea that these were softer targets. the terrorists did not go after the heaviest tourist areas of france. this is notre dame down here. you have to go north here to where one of the big attacks
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here near the "charlie hebdo" offices. there is "charlie hebdo" over there. and up here is theater that we've been talking about all evening long. theater had an american rock band performing there from california. about a thousand people in the crowd. this picture was tweeted out right before the concert at some point here. but this is something that would tend to draw more of a local student crowd, a younger crowd, not so much foreigners or tourists. you can see what it looks like from the street. very densely populated part of paris, by the way, the 11th arrondissement or district. and the other big attack was at this cambodian restaurant which is not terribly far away. you can walk the distance or drive it in a short period of time. this area is popular but it's not in the heat of the tourist trade. it is more locals visiting here. this is where a lot of people
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were injured and killed in this area. and then when you talk about a big target where you have a lot of people from elsewhere. that's when you move to the stadium, 80,000 people can be seated in this stadium. there was a design to strike at a lot of people. this is where we had two bombs go off and one suicide bomber. but clearly something about this part of the attack does not seem to have play out in the way the terrorists wanted it to. the number of people hurt or killed is small compared to elsewhere. but sorting it all out, figuring out why did they pick those targets. why not go to the eiffel tower? why did they go further out? how did they recruit the people and how did they coordinate it all to happen on this day. >> can you help us out? if you can stand by. and can you go back to the
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cambodian restaurant that you had up. can you go back to that? >> we'll go back to the restaurant down here. it's in a densely populated area right there on the corner. >> if you can zoom in on that for us it would be great. while i bring in michael weiss, paul cruickshank, mia bloom, mike rogers, rick francona and tom foreman in washington to help us out. as you look at the restaurant and where this happened, paul, take us inside the restaurant and these locations. so, tom, point out the restaurant to us. >> the restaurant we're talking about. this is a cambodian restaurant right over here. but there also seems to be a portion of the attack involving this one across the street as well. >> how they pick these particular targets? >> indiscriminate the violence, and the first reports this afternoon related to that cambodian restaurant, reports of
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kalashnikovs involved and gunmen spraying the restaurant. not clear at this point this was a terrorist attack. >> it's open to the street. these are venues that are open to the street. and the stadium which of course is an open place and you've got the concert venue as well, of course open to the street. >> these are all soft targets. you don't have to you go through security. there are no cordons around them. and there is an infinite number of targets like these in a city like paris and they realize they got to these targets they would have no problem attacking them. there wouldn't be police stationed outside. a bit more security around the stadium, but they didn't get into the stadium. they exploded their suicide vests outside the stadium. >> stand by. i have new information just coming into cnn.
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and this is according to itv, seven out of the eight gunmen or suicide bombers died while exploding their bombs. and cnn confirmed that seven out of eight of the suicide gunmen or bombers died exploding their vests. if you go to the eiffel tower you have to go through security. >> if you have a suicide vest it's much more difficult to go into a more protected target. they were going after soft targets. it appears that some of those suicide bombers died outside the stadium. it appears that some detonated their devices from the early reporting inside theater as the commandos went in. they'll be looking at whether they managed to find these explosives. this goes beyond just getting guns on the black market.
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these perpetrators managed to get ahold of explosives and put together explosive vests. this is a high level of terrorist crafts. >> and symbolism on the stade de france when you have france playing germany. this is the national sport of france. you have a tremendous amount of people gathering and watching on television. while these are soft targets in the restaurant and the other places. stade de france was sending a message to explode suicide bombers outside that is to strike at the heart of france. the country is watching at that time and heard those explosions as they went off. and when the news began to break, they were able to harness the media as well by attacking stade de france. >> and you have an american rock band playing at a mid-sized
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venue in a cosmopolitan area of france knowing that a lot of expia expats would be there. >> you know the french authorities are doing this. and that led to the closing of the borders. you have a bomb maker out there. getting these folks to martyr themselves and we'll likely see their martyr videos released in the next few days is a process. you don't just show up and say let's strap it up and go and have the event. this is a process. it's a psychological process and radicalization process. and then you have to build and assemble the bomb. even if they were able to get pieces and components prebuilt into france they have a serious problem. that meant somewhere in that town and likely there or belgium or other places where they have freedom of movement, those vests
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were built. if you saw the equipment they had in the belgium raid not that long ago you know that they have the capability to assemble that kind of thing but it had a logistical picture surrounding that event, imagine what it took in this event. the other three they were talking about three in theater that didn't blow up their belts. i think that was a system if they got rushed or the police were able to get in there. i don't know if those were intended to be detonated prior to them feeling like they were going to go down. i think there are two different scenarios here. >> so, quick, go ahead you want to talk more about it? >> you mean on the -- again, i just -- i do believe that we're going to have to separate each one. clearly the people engaged in the shooting of the restaurants were of different mission and
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i'm not sure they thought they were going to get killed and may not have. i'm not sure they were taken into custody. you had suicide bombers and you have people who believed they were going to do the shootings and the kill and escape. you think of that trail. there are safe houses and people are trying to move them. which is probably why isis hasn't taken credit for it yet. >> is that a hallmark of any particular group, al qaeda or isis? one is more prone to having suicide bombers than the other? >> they both use suicide bombers. i think the one big concern now is there is going to be a major isis propaganda video that is going to come out if they were indeed responsible. recently they instructed all their recruits and operatives to film everything. they said it's no point launching these attacks if you
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don't film them. they instructed everybody to film with go pro cameras and maybe some of the cell have been instructed to download it to the internet and get it back to the group in syria and rauk. >> the latest news we have on the breaking news, seven of the eight bombers blew themselves up. we're back with our panel. mia and rick francona will be back with you right after this break.
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u 2 just put out a statement saying we watched in disbelief and shock to the events happening in paris. we are devastated at the loss of life at the eagles of death
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metal concert. back with me are my panel. lieutenant colonel francona, the refugees pouring in from syria complicate the matter. how do you see that? >> these countries are overwhelmed especially if you look at what is happening in germany. 800,000 refugees. i think it will upset the character of many of the countries for a long time to come. whether that translates into increased terrorism, i don't know. but it is a base of people from whom you can recruit. >> two weeks ago, isis was able to blow up a jet with a bomb.
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and now an attack like this one, culprit not yet known. do we need to reasses the threat level worldwide? >> i think the countries in europe are clear on the threat level. i don't think the united states is at the same threat level. and i think the suicide bombing attacks that play out with suicide bomb attacks whether it's at the entrance of an location or exploding right before you are about to get caught by the security forces. we've seen this and i documented it in my first book. it is consistent with suicide bombing. it's not necessarily attacked to a particular group but it's the way that they are trained. >> let's talk about other indications this may have something to do with isis. michael, you have been doing some reporting on people who go in and out of the country and return and go to syria.
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>> i was in turkey interviewing an isis defector. he was part of their state security apparatus which is responsible for training foreign operatives. he said there were a lot of french nationals coming into raqqah joining isis. i said where do they go? he said this some are back in france. there is absolutely a cross penetration. the statistic is something like 250 returnees and that is out of a collective number of 1900 french nationals that are in a state of flux having joined isis been killed in syria or iraq or trying to make their way back across the border. this leads me to believe this is more isis than al qaeda. >> agreed? >> absolutely. when you look at the sophistication of the attack, the multiple suicide vests going
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off within a close period of each other. there was a high level of training and they were able to pull it together in france and the numbers we are talking about, the government is guessing at. if they say it's 250 you can assume it's higher than that. >> you said these are soft targets. if you go into the stadium you go through security. then what of the stadium? >> this was the symbolic target. the stadium was the center piece of all the attacks. you have france playing germany and a huge portion of the population watching this match in realtime as it happens. you can imagine the feeling among people who have spreads, family members inside the stadium. you heard the explosions on live tv. this was designed for maximum psychological impact in the moment. outside the stadium is security. the officers are armed and people will be able to deal with
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some sort of terrorist attack. but if you are talking about a suicide bomber, merely getting there is all you need to bring off the attack. >> and at the stadium, the head of the french republic, francois hollande having to evacuate, that is obviously again a huge symbolic significance if it was isis. hollande has taken the war to isis aggressively in syria and iraq. there is a french aircraft carrier on the way. >> the -- what one must say is what happens now? how does everyone else respond? not only the people in paris and france but worldwide and especially here in the united states? that's what everyone is going to be looking at. how can such a place where -- how can this happen in such a coordinated way and people not know? >> i think there will be quite a response from the french. they have done air strikes in
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syria. there is a u.s. presence on the ground in syria. i think this is going to push us in that direction. unlike the aftermath of the jordanian pilot situation where they were going to unleash their fury, the french can do it. the live coverage continues with john voss and isha sesay. >> hello and welcome to our continuing live coverage of the people dead in

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