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has come to this. this follows the six separate terrorist attacks. isis claiming responsibility so. so far, at least 128 confirm dead. that number almost certainly will change. 180 injured. that, too, will change. we are learning that americans are among the injured. what we do not know at this point is just how many. french police, french authorities, ton mention the military, all out looking for suspects. authorities have identified one of the attackers now as a french national. some 1,500 soldiers will be deployed around the country, i think primarily in paris for patrols mostly at specific locations. authorities say that two passports were found near the bodies of some of the people who committed the acts of terrorists. one of the passports was from syria, one from egypt, although they do say they could well be fake. this morning, french president
hollande made a statement. >> he did indeed. it was an act of war. we'll hear how he addressed the french people for the second time since the attacks. >> translator: it's an acts of war committed by an army of terrorists against france. >> and he said and pledged to the french people that this would be met with a ruthless, merciless response by france both here in this country and abroad, he said. this was an attack conceived abroad but planned also with the complicit of people in this country. incredibly coordinated. >> planned abroad and acted out here by people. that is very important. it shows isis expanding its reach and capabilities around the world. >> particularly after suicide bombings they claimed in beirut and the attack on the russian plane. we have pictures of how it went down overnight. we want to warn you that some of
the video is disturbing. it does have very, very difficult moments in, there as you can imagine. cell video from a video phone showing survivors of the nightclub attack just behind us, jumping from windows to escape the carnage that was taking place inside. other victims rush out of the theater. first responders literally trying to drag people to safety. gunmen walked in and opened fire killing at least 80 people, we understand. paris police say three of the four attackers were wearing explosive belts, that's three of those who were in the bataclan behind us. the other attacker was killed by police when they conducted their raid to end that crisis there. >> at the same time that was going on, explosions at the main soccer stadium in paris, the northern part of this city. explosions rang out. video captured the very moment it happened. listen. [ explosion ] [ crowd noise ]
[ explosion ] >> people inside didn't know what was going on. amazingly they kept playing the game. at least four people were killed outside. french fans leaving the soccer stadium, though, showed their solidarity, singing the french national anthem. the people coming together the best they can. though clearly an atmosphere of fear and anger pervades the city now. >> and those killed outside, three of them were believed to be suicide bombers themselves. those people who would have wanted to cause even more mayhem if they could have done. >> i'll show you where we are, a block behind us, the bataclan theater behind the police vans. tarps set up outside the theater. not sure you can see them because all morning they were taking out many of the bodies. our cnn international correspondent is also nearby where we're standing. you're following this investigation. the worst attack in europe since
2004. the worst attack in france simply ever. what's the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: at the moment, what we know is that eight attackers have been killed. we don't know what sort of reach, what sort of network they may have been cooperating with. we know that one of the attackers was a french national. we spoke to a father, john leader, and his 12-year-old son, oscar. john leader is an australian national. he's lived in france for 15 years. he and his son were inside the theater at the terrifying moment. they were up close and personal with the attackers. and they're some of the few people who survived to tell the tale. listen to what he had to say earlier. >> we heard this bang, bang, bang. like everybody else we thought it was fireworks, part of the show. i felt something go past my ear. i didn't know -- was it a bullet or something? i don't know what it was. then i realized something's
coming out, going toward the stage. at that point i think everybody understood. everybody threw themselves on the ground. it was still dark, it was only lit occupy the stage. i -- lit up on the stage. i looked up to see what was going on. i saw two shooters. one was changing a magazine. he had a lot of magazines in front of him. he had a big vest on. >> reporter: what did he look like? >> a young fellow. nothing particular at all. >> reporter: did you hear him speak at all? >> i did. i heard him at one point he said something -- about syria. i think you heard it better. >> he said you need to think about syria but in french like -- there wasn't any accent or anything. >> yeah -- obviously a native french speaker. >> reporter: native french speaker? >> yeah. no accent. and i don't know -- maybe something like allahu akbar. as soon as i heard them talking about syria, i realized, okay, this is what it's about. i could see with one of the guys of doing crowd control, the other was executing.
there was no chance -- there was a terrorist incident a few months ago, a similar incident. these guys were organized. one was covering the crowd. the other was doing the shootings. >> reporter: you heard there, no room for heroes. these men were organized. they knew what they were doing. they weren't going allow a situation where someone from the crowd might try to tackle one of the gunmen. he also told us that he did see at least one of the men wearing a tan colored vest. he said it was made of a heavy material john leader originally thought it was being used to stuff magazines into. now, of course, we know that that was indeed an explosive vest. [ siren ] >> we're hearing a lot -- a source close to the investigation telling the network that officials did find
passports on two of the attackers, one southeasteyrian, egyptian. we're hearing from the early information that the passports may possibly be fake. >> reporter: i think the impression is that it's very possible the passports may be fake. they may be a red herring designed to throw off the investigation. one has to ask one's self why would these bombers going out to perpetrate such attacks be carrying their passports with them. seems a little too convenient. at this stage, authorities here are really being very tightlipped about the investigation. there are still many more questions than there are answers. i think the primary question is are there more networks at large, which network was supporting this. >> you know, let's get the latest on that. earlier there was information that there was this car. >> french authorities telling
french media that surveillance cameras from outside the restaurants. there was a car that was used to machine gun the restaurants. that's how the dead turned up in these restaurants. that wasn't suicide attacks or bombs. that was a drive-by shooting. they're looking for a car that they said they were worried could be jerry rigged as a big explosive itself or being used by the attack force get away or accomplices to use. we don't have more information on that. >> clarissa ward's communications went down. obviously you and clarissa pointing out there is a search around the country for more that could be going on. >> we're getting reports from officials in other countries, neighboring countries. they are also conducting searches and controlling their borders related to this attack. >> one other key point. the idea that passports could be fake on these terrorists. they could certainly be from inside terrorists. the terrorists do not need to be from abroad.
we saw in the "charlie hebdo" attacks that there is a presence inside this country. >> that's right. here's the thing -- game changer of the isis terrorists because of all the people who will have gone to meet them, the game changer is that they, many of them, can come over with their french passports. they don't need visas and things like, for instance, the 9/11 -- >> which explains why francois hollande did the extraordinary act of closing the borders, the road borders because the airports aren't closed. >> doing rigorous checks. >> i want to go nic robertson. one of the attacked sites was the main stadium in paris where there was a friendly soccer match between france and germany. you heard the explosions ring out during the game. people were confused at the time by what was going. on the french president, francois hollande, he was there watching. he was evacuated at halftime. our nic robertson outside.
what's the latest there? >> reporter: that was one of the things that isis has proclaimed in its claim of responsibility for this attack. it said that it attacked the soccer game because it was a match between two christian countries. was able to perpetrate under the nose of the french president. the question asked in the french media here is did francois hollande, the french president's presence here at this friendly soccer match with a crowd of an estimated 80,000 crammed inside the stadium behind me, did his presence help thwart the attack. was there additional security because he was there that stopped these suicide bombers. there were three here who -- who later set off the explosives in a coordinated fashion. that was his additional security, the french president's additional security that stopped them getting into the ground. what we know is shortly before the game ended, one of the suicide bombers detonated his explosives at the main gate behind me. about 20 minutes later when
people were leaving, some in panic trying to get away from the area, a few hundred meters away, another suicide bomber detonated his explosives. another 20 minutes after that -- this would be the last of the attacks, the beginnings of the attacks at least in paris yesterday evening, last suicide bomber detonated explosives at the west gate of the stadium. it could have been the death toll was only four people. could have been far worse if the suicide bombers had been able to get into the crowd. were they thwarted because of the additional security because of the french president? he was certainly whisked away very quickly. this points in the direction -- you saying with christiane, the british prime minister saying today that isis is evolving, it is trending now toward more complex and coordinated planning toward mass attacks, the british obviously extending their support to the french. that that's what we're seeing at
this stadium. complex, coordinated plan toward a mass casualty attack. >> it's interesting. early on you said one of the reasons isis gave for attacking the soccer match, it was between two christian nations. both teams filled with muslim players. some of the best players on germany and france are, in fact, muslim. so the idea that you're somehow just attacking christians by attacking this multicultural city, multi culturcultural team is mind-boggling on top of everything else that is so shocking. nic, talk about what happens in the stands among the people who stayed. after the game, what were they told, what was the crowd control, how did people know how to get from there, the site of one terrorist attack to their homes to what may have been even
more terrorist incidents? >> reporter: the narrative you say that isis puts forward that is so utterly floored, of course, when the people were coming out of the stadium last night, they wouldn't have been aware of that. they might have suspected that the explosions -- one of which happened here when people began to move away after that, they might have begun to realize that it might have been some sort of radical islamist attack. they certainly wouldn't have been prepared for the complex and coordinated attack that was confronting some of them as they left the stadium. that only four people were injured as they made their way away from the stadium. it is perhaps an indication and a tribute to the luck, to the security services, to the way that people moved away from the stadium. one of these detonations took place, a second took place outside a restaurant not far from here, a mcdonald's. when you look at the building,
the damage isn't so heavy. when you look at the damage where the first explosion took place, the damage doesn't seem to be so heavy, so perhaps again people lucky because the amount of explosives those people had wasn't effective outside of a closely packed area. john, christiane? >> all right. we're going to take a break. when we come back, we're going to update you on a big security scare that happened in london today. see the latest on that, and waiting to hear from the u.s. secretary of state, john kerry. he's expected to make remarks on these attacks at any moment. and we will bring you that live. i don't want to live with
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moment. we will bring that the moment it happens. >> the meeting in vienna was about syria, how to try to bring that to an end. maybe this g20 in italia will have really focused everybody's minds. and he is about to come and talk to the press in a second. what's interesting is that he will be having a national security conference with the president by secure video before he goes to turkey. of course, the french president francois hollande was amongst the g20 leaders. he immediately announced he would not be going. instead he is sending his representative. >> our senior white house correspondent, jim accost ahas talked to white house officials who say they believe the entire g20 will essentially be a war summit. that world leaders gathered to talk about the battle against isis. john kerry speaking now. let's listen. [ speaking native language ]
question, and the united states is working tirelessly to help american citizens affected by this tragedy. and our governments are working closely together in order to identify american victims, and we know that there are americans among the wounded, and we will continue to give consular assistance. this morning, i was at a meeting with the minister of foreign affairs who's here, i also spoke with the ambassador of the united states in france, jane hartley. i stressed our resolve and that
we will support their efforts full time. we stand together with france like others do in our indignation and in a feeling of great sadness. we stand beside france to express deeply felt condolences to the hundreds of people directly affect ed in different ways, different levels by these acts of hatred. and more than anything, we stand together with france and the rest of the world in our resolve to eliminate the scourge of terrorism from the face of the earth. believe me, this resolve has grown in strength on the day
following this beastly barbarity. >> i want to make sure that it is absolutely crystal clear that the united states stands with france and the rest of the world in our resolve to eliminate the scourge of violent extremist groups from the face of the earth. make no mistake, that resolve has only grown stronger in the wake of this unspeakable brutality, and i think sergei lavrov and stefan would agree with me that today in the meeting this was a broad-based send of revulsion of horror and a deep commitment to do more to try to bring an end to the violence of the region and of the world. it is respect february life and for its possibilities that drove our effort in vienna and frankly every day in pursuit of reconciliation and peace. the war in syria now in its fifth year has already left one
in 20 syrians wounded or dead. it's compelled one in five syrians to flee as refugees. it has displaced half of that country's population. all the while, the chaos unleash ed by the war has created a haven for terrorist organizations to thrive. if neither the dictator, bashar al assad, nor the terrorist are the answer -- and they are -- our challenge is to create the conditions under which a clear and broadly accepted viable alternative can emerge. in the united states, president obama has set forth three interrelated goals. first, defeat death. second, stabilize the region. third, support a political transition to end this civil war. those are not in order of priority. you have to do one before the other. they can be done simultaneously.
the events in paris underscore the threat that daish poses to all of us in the region and well beyond it unfortunately. this is a major reason that president obama has announced new steps to take them on militarily. it cannot be taken on without de-escalating those who attract fighters to this paddlefiebattl. that will require a political process. that's why we are in vienna yet again. today sergei lavrov and i join representatives from the arab league, china, france, germany, iraq, jordan, lebanon, oman, qatar, russia, saudi arabia, turkey, the uae, the u.k., and the united nations. we did so because we all recognize the urgency of the
mome moment. there can be no doubt this crisis is not syria's alone to bear. the impacts of this war bleed into all of our nations from the flood of desperate migrants seeking refuge within the region or in europe or beyond. to the terrorists who make their ways into groups like daich, to self-radicalized groups, their minds poisoned by propaganda and lies. obviously those of us met in vienna today, the international support group in syria do not agree on all the wlishs it comes to syria. we still differ obviously on the issue of what happens with bashar al assad. we are relying on the political process itself led by syrians which it will be going forward. with syrians negotiating with
syrians, that that can help to bring a close to this terrible chapt chapter. we do agree that it is time for the bleeding to stop, it is time to deprive the terrorists of any single kilometer in which to hide. it is time that we come together to help the syrian people embark on the difficult but extraordinarily high imperative of rebuilding their country. i underscore we did not come to impose our collective will on the syrian people, exactly the opposite. the syrian people will be and must be the validators of our efforts. the syrians will be the first to tell you they need help from the international community, especially a consensus about how to achieve the political transition that will allow them to ultimate lie shape their own destiny.
building that consensus has been our goal in event amp in fact, building the structure -- vienna. in fact, building the structure, the pathway to achieve that. while a lot of hard work obviously remains, we have made critical progress. together our nation vs. reach aid common understanding still beyond where we were two weeks ago regarding a series of steps that we believe will accelerate and end the syrian conflict, certainly can accelerate it if people take advantage of the opportunity. based on our shared belief and necessity of the cease-fire and a parallel political process pursuant to the 2012 geneva communique, we discussed and laid out a path toward that political process and cease-fire and toward it on as rapid a path as possible. we agreed on the need to begin formal negotiations between representatives of the syrian
opposition and the syrian regime under u.n. auspices with a target date of the two sides actually sitting down negotiating with each other no later hopefully than a target date of around january 1st. that's pushing. the group has agreed to work with a special envoy to assemble the broadest possible spectrum of the syrian opposition, chosen by syrians themselves to define their negotiating positions and determine who their representatives to the talks will be. we agreed on the steps, that the steps outlined in the 2012 geneva communique present the best path forward toward an actual political transition. and we support a syrian-led transition process within a target of six months that will establish credible, inclusive,
and nonsectarian governance, set a schedule and a process for drafting a new constitution and determine eligibility for voting and candidacy in elections. we also agreed that free and fair elections would then be held pursuant to the new constitution within 18 months. these elections we believe --not we believe, we agreed would take place under u.n. supervision with an emphasis with o transparency -- with an emphasis on transparente, accountability, and with all eligible to participate. as we understored, this political process has to be accompanied by a cease-fire. that will help to end the bloodshed as quickly as possible. i might add that will help rapidly to define who wants to be considered a terrorist and
who is not, understanding that daesh and nusra are clearly and ine inexorable come into effect now. the syrian government and opposition have taken initial steps toward the u.n. supervised transition. the five permanent members of the security council pledge to supports a security council resolution to empower a u.n.-endorsed cease-fire monitoring mission. in coordination with our talk today, u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon has ordered the u.n. to accelerate planning for supporting the implementation of that cease-fire, and the group agreed that the u.n. should lead the effort in consultation with interested parties in order to determine its requirements and modalities. we also pledged to take all possible measures to ensure that
all parties, including those currently supported by nations represented here in vienna, that they will all firmly adhere to the cease-fire. in other words, each country that supports or has influence with or supplies, anybody in the field will become an enforcer of the cease-fire. we also agreed to press the parties to immediately end the use of indiscriminate weapons. let me be clear. the cease-fire as i said a moment ago, does not apply either to daesh or nusra or to subsequently some group that in the days ahead may be determined by the support group as qualifying as a terrorist organization. so that's where we're at. and i want to thank all of my colleagues who participated in our deliberation today. particularly grateful, as well,
to my president who has always had a vision that we needed a political process and who has licensed me to pursue this with visiona aar -- vigor. obviously i want to leave time for questions. and sergei, i want to thank sergei for his cooperative input to this, his effort to help bring about the results that we achieved today. thank you, sergei. >> translator: thank you. ladies and gentlemen, we've had this meeting of the international group support iin -- we recorded the victims of the shocking attacks in paris,
and we remembered the victims of the terrorist acts in beirut and in egypt. >> the victims of beirut and egypt bombings. >> translator: for me, it's absolutely clear that the horrors of yefd in paris should convince -- of yesterday in paris should convince even the last skeptic that not only can terrorism not be justified in any way, but it cannot be -- we cannot justify our passivity in combating it. >> leave no skeptic doubting that terrorism cannot be justified, and it cannot also be justified that we stand idly by. >> translator: i held some meetings with my colleagues, and
i get the feeling that more and more there's a strengthening of the need to have international coalition to combat daesh. this is being called for by mr. putin. >> my colleagues, and i have a feeling that there is a growing understanding that there was a terrible need for efficient, comprehensive, international coalition to fight isis and other terrorists, as president putin has said. >> translator: and no prior condition -- >> and there are no prerequisites in this regard. >> translator: as for our work today regarding a solution in syria, john has outlined what was agreed.
and we supported the principles which we agreed in ed id in ger ago today that the participants of the group, that's how they see a future of a solution in syria. >> what the stakeholders see as the syrian future. >> translator: said that syrians would have to solve the future of syria and, of course, this concerns the future of the syrian president. >> mr. assad and any other politician in this country. >> translator: last time that we met, we looked to take this -- looking in two directions. firstly, there was the political
proce process. and today we took some concrete steps which made it to be taken in that direction bearing in mind the request to ask our colleagues from the u.n. to become involved no later than the 1st of january. >> we have concluded some specific steps that we're tasking our u.n. colleagues with, that is together the opposition and the government no later than the 1st of january. >> translator: the government of syria informed the united nations that it is prepared to participate in negotiation and membership of the delegation, and it's very important that we
determine the persons who will be in the syrian opposition group. >> the whole spectrum of political forces -- >> directed at the french people saying that the united states stands shoulder to shoulder with the french people to offer whatever help it can. and this was not just an attack against the french people but one against humanity itself. he then went on to outline in english a very detail ed wrap-u of the discussion that's he and the russian foreign minister, representatives of the united nations, all sorts of other foreign ministers who were in vienna about their game plan for the future of syria which involves a cease-fire within a
few months, then a transition within six months, and then elections within 18 months. very ambitious. in the past, president assad has not complied with any of these u.n. timetables or negotiations. and he did not mention what would -- how does one defeat isis in the midst of this. isis would not be bound or included -- >> isis is not a party to this. he made it sound so clean. >> so how does one defeat the main isis and also assad, which most of the refugees and most of the violence has come from assad in the last 4.5 years. it's still unclear. >> interesting, talking diplomacy in vienna. talking syria in vienna. while everyone in paris now thinking about isis and the six terrorist attacks in six separate locations across paris less than 24 hours ago. terrorism such a high concern right now across europe. we're getting new information, breaking news about a police raid in belgium right now. i want to bring in our senior
national security correspondent jim sciutto as well as our diplomatic editor, nic robertson, both of whom are in paris. jim, what do we know about this raid in belgium? >> reporter: belgian police are telling cnn this raid is tied to the attacks here in paris. they haven't said how they are tied, but there is a connection. at least one raid underway there. keep in mind there was a shoot-out in belgium a few mo h months ago. a similar situation, attack. belgium like france has a pipeline to and from syria from jihadis. so that is another hotbed of this threat. keep in mind -- and you referenced this as you came into this, john, that this is a europe-wide situation now. a few hours ago, london's gatwick airport was shut down by an arrest, a french president arrested by what appeared to be a weapon. whether or not that's true, the
level of alert is such now that you have security being raised in countries across europe, not just here in france where you have 1,500 soldiers deployed, but also in belgium. the netherlands raising their terror threat level. you have the u.k. clearly very concerned, as well. and that's something to remind american viewers why europe is a number of countries, but the voters are porous, can move around quickly. and there was talk as well that some of the attackers involved here in paris might have been belgian. so you have that kind of international connection here. therefore, as a result, that kind of europe-wide terror alert at this point. it's very concerning. i think it's something that europe deals with to even a greater threat than the u.s. terror alert is right now. >> you say borders between france and belgium, essentially non-since -- >> that's the project of free
movement between the european countries. >> it's interesting. there were raids in the belgium the week after the attacks against "charlie hebdo" in january. we saw very violent confrontations between belgian police and suspected terrorists then. at the time, one of the things that was brought up is that belgium is sort of a hub for toorms come into europe -- for arms to come into europe and be dispersed. ak-47s, we suspect used in the attacks here. nic robertson, tell me the situation. lay the groundwork for the situation in belgium as compared to france. are there as many people in belgium who are going to fight in syria and remember and then returning home to belgium? >> reporter: per capita there is. if you look at the beginning of may, 2014, that lone armed gunman armed walks into the jewish museum middle of the day in brussels, guns down and kills four people inside the museum.
there was some evidence or questioning whether or not he'd come back from syria, whether he'd had his weapons training there, where he'd got his weapon from. the shooter we're talking about that came right after the "charlie hebdo" attacks in paris a week, ten days afterwards. that shoot-out involved a large number of weapons. there were people trained in the use of the weapons. these belgian jihadists and who were prepared to get into an intense shoot-out with the police. so it certainly -- there are areas in brussels where the police for perhaps close to a decade now have had difficulty going into before without going into in numbers. al qaeda certainly ran recruitment cells from inside brussels. there have been many arrests there over the past decade of people doing that. some of the sort of senior al qaeda figure operating in afghanistan and pakistan coming from brussels.
now the young men from belgium have been going to syria and iraq. the first female suicide bomber came from belgium, as well. there has been a roar of trouble within the belgium community of young people going off to join these fights. the fact that belgians are now potentially involved in suspicion in relation to the attacks in paris, perhaps no surprise. one european counterterrorism source i was speaking to earlier today suggested we look closely at belgium. certainly somebody who lives there and has insights there. so it's certainly the counter intelligence community, if you will, were already looking to belgium in connection with the attacks here. clearly now the belgian police moving on those suspicions. john, christiane? >> it's been a problem for months and years now. this radicalization that is
proliferating at an exponential rate beyond the capacity or practically beyond the capacity. if you listen to britain's mi-5 of the intelligence able to penetrate and stop this radicalization on line. we've heard the head of mi5 say that it can happen within weeks. and it's so fast, and the online community and the online capability has simply made it so difficu difficult for them to intervene in good time. nick peyton walsh inner bil erb embedded with the people, hearing a plan that secretary of state john kerry set forth for trying to resolve somehow politically this crisis in syria? >> reporter: it sounds nice i think on paper that you could,
as this seems to suggest, get the regime and syrians talking in the next few months, then maybe see constitutional changes months away from that. then as i have always said under u.n. auspices, get elections going 18 months from now. they also want a cease-fire within that, too. that's good obviously because we have the key players there. no syrians agreeing on key structure. it falls apart when you ask who is the syrian opposition now. the russians are very publicly and perhaps some say calculatedly struggling to find free syrian people to talk to in moscow. they've made a public issue out of that. many of the syrian "politicians" we've seen putting themselves forwards, they're very distant from these actually doing the fighting on the ground. this talk particularly of a cease-fire has to affect those doing the fighting inside of syria. john kerry was very clear that a cease-fire would not include isis or the nusra front, the al
qaeda group in syria, or groups who happen in the period ahead of the cease-fire to align themselves with those groups. now that is a huge problem because those two groups, isis and nusra, are the most effect military on the ground. and nusra a group called the victory front. despite recent disputes, they're holding together. they have a moderate group increasingly seen as radical. a lot really here moving toward the potential for whatever is agreed in foreign capitals, not necessarily apply on the ground. and then the larger question, john kerry's quite clear that the backers of the different various groups in -- in this war will ensure they adhere to the cease-fire. what does that mean that russia and iran assisting the regime will stop supplying the regime? where does hezbollah who some consider terrorists here, it's a real key question i think few can answer at this stage.
christiane? >> in terms of what you've actually seen and what you've just experienced, you know, the world has been scratching its head trying to figure out how to stand up some kind of force against isis. you have watched now the peshmergas do it and do it successfully. can they do more? what more do they need, and how much pressure are they under in terms of how much military they have, how many foot soldiers they have, ammunition, all the wherewithal that they would need if nobody else is going to be the ground force? >> reporter: it's very hard to know, weather we saw -- when we saw in sinjar whether that was down to the number and the air power, coalition, isis didn't bother to fight for the town itself. we knew they wanted to hang on, they put some fight up. they have in the past just withdrawn and used forces to strike elsewhere. they left behind a nightmare of booby traps. we don't know isis' thinking.
the key question is how do you find proxy forces to join the forces, the others fighting the kurd or others inside syria. it's a phenomenal mess. it's hard to see how any nato or western nation would want to insert troops into that. they would simply become a polarizing lightning rod, a, frankly, and you would have to ask, where would you insert them from? nato and turkey, they have their own agenda against the kurds and iraq has a militia doing much of the fighting. this is an impossible question to answer, kristian. >> nick paton walsh, stand by in erbil in iraq, give us a scope of this story right now. i want to bring in deb feyerick right now with some breaking news. we've been talking about a raid underway in belgium. a police raid underway in belgium, perhaps connected to the terror attacks here. deb joins us by phone right now. deborah feyerick on the phone.
what can you tell us? >> reporter: john, what we're being told, a belgium federal police force telling us that at least one raid is going on in brussels. i've been talking to sources today, a western intelligence source telling me that there may be as many as three. at least one, they do believe, is connected to the paris attack. and this is going on in the suburb, the same neighborhood in belgium where attacks, where preemptive assaults were carried out in january, connected to the "charlie hebdo" attack, of the magazine. so we do know that there is at least one raid in brussels, but others also, a western intelligence source, saying that it is connected to the attacks in paris. >> you know, it's interesting. the germans are also now saying that a man was arrested earlier this month there. a 15-year-old man from montenegro, who had a whole bunch of weapons, including kalashnikovs, ammunition, pistols, two hand grenades, 200 grams of tnt inside his
volkswagen. so you have word of an arrest in germany perhaps connected to this, word of raids going on in brussels right now. deb, any sense of the communication right now between the countries, between french authorities and authorities in belgium, in germany, not to mention the united states? >> reporter: there is no question that intelligence agencies across europe are in tight communication with one another. the french, the belgians, the germans, all of them, because we saw it happen during "charlie hebdo," where everyone went back to look at their intelligence, what they had, possible links, possible people who were on different lists. they keep lists of foreign fighters who have gone over to syria in order to fight with isis. so, there is huge intelligence. it is exhaustive, but they're all talking to one another, to see specifically where these men may have come from, whether they were french nationals, whether they came from outside of france, to carry out this attack. and most importantly, most
critically, who built those suicide bombs. who wilt the -- who gave these people the capacity to essentially detonate themselves, killing themselves in such very public ways and very public places. so that's one of the keys to all of this. who built those suicide bombs? and all of that right now, it is in overdrive, john. >> all right. deborah feyerick for us on the phone. of course, another question with all these countries talking right now, with this level about what just happened, perhaps they feed to talk more about how they spot it and keep it from happening in the future. paul cruickshank, our terrorism analyst joins us by phone right now. paul, you've got great sources in all of these countries, including belgium. what do you think is happening right now with these raids in belgium now, believed to be connected with the six terrorist attacks here yesterday? >> reporter: this new information is very significant, indeed. the mulllandbeck district of
brussels was the home of several of those plotters in january in a safe house in eastern belgium. there was a major gunfight between them and belgium commandos. authorities telling me they were involved in a major plot in belgium. they had explosives and kalashnikovs and they were directed to do this by the senior leadership of isis in syria and iraq. this brings up the possibility of a connection to that plot, which was also an isis plot in january. there's been huge concern in belgium about the number of travel flows. more than 300 belgium nationals, they know about, who have traveled to syria and iraq. most of those joining up with isis. more than 100 coming back for a tiny country like belgium, those are really staggering numbers. and those are just the ones i know about. i've been in touch with belgium
counterterrorism officials in recent weeks. they say that they've never seen a bigger threat. they're very worried. they just don't have the resources to monitor all these people, all the time, and they really felt that something like this was going to be inevitable. >> we also have our chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, with us. jim, again, this raid in belgium, more of an arrest in germany that could be connected. any sense of why they're only discussing this now? what they may have missed in the days and weeks before the attacks here. >> why they're discussing the arrests in germany? because possibly, at that time, they didn't know the significance. now they're looking as to whether something that precipitates the attack that take place here. look at these signs, you have at least one raid underway in belgium right now, paul and deb have made the point before, and nick, it's a hotbed of not just
jihadis but also of weapons supplies. you have an arrest in germany, a man from montenegro. listen to all these countries we are listing now possibly connected to the attacks here in paris. a number of nationalities and of course we had the passports of a syrian and egyptian found on the attackers, whether they were actually syrian or egyptian a question, but they were carrying those passports. that right there is half a dozen countries, possibly tied to the attacks here in paris. european countries, as well as countries in the middle east. and that shows exactly the problem. europe is many countries, but in effect, it is one, in many ways, as well. because those borders are open. and the key border, the most important one here is really that border with syria, because you have a pipeline from these countries in europe, into syria, going back and back and forth, and that is the most difficult thing for security forces here to handle. it's tracking them. >> okay. >> it speaks to the challenge going forward. >> it is incredibly difficult. we are trying to get all our
facts straight, as this very fast-developing situation, this crisis, really, this state of war, as the french president has said, unfolds. we've heard from secretary of state john kerry. we are hearing from all these law enforcement and these raids in various places, such as belgium, and we will be back at the top of the hour, as our breaking news coverage continues. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. therthat can be serious,ere. even fatal to infants.
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