tv CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow CNN November 14, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PST
good evening, everyone, we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i am poppy harlow joining you live from paris with our special coverage of the terror attacks that triggered a state of emergency throughout this country. i want to update you on what we know at this hour. french officials now say that three coordinated teams of terrorists are behind the worst violence that this country has seen since world war ii. at this hour the death toll stands at 129 lives lost, at least one american we know is
dead. a 23 year old. another 352 people were injured. 99 of them in the hospital in critical condition at this hour. terrorists armed with automatic rifles, ka lalashnikovkalashnik vests carried out attacks at six locations friday night. i want to show you some video but i want to warn you first it is very graphic. what you're looking at is cell phone video that shows survivors at the site of that massacre right behind us at the bataclan nightclub and concert hall. some of them jumping from windows trying to escape the carnage taking place inside. other victims rushing out of the theater. first responders literally having to drag people to safety. isis claiming responsibility today, warning these attacks are, "the first of the storm." the french president francois hollande promising a ruthless response, likening these attacks
to a "act of war." right now police are scrambling to track down possible accomplices and not just here in france. there have been a series of raids, we have seen a number of arrests in belgium this afternoon that are connected we're told by authorities to the attacks in paris last night. in the meantime, some 1,500 french soldiers deployed across this country, across this city, trying to prevent any future attacks. earlier today i spoke with people here in paris on the streets right around us, people who live in this neighborhood, who love this city. their grief is palpable. you pass by the theater where the shooting was every day on your way to work. what is going through your mind right now? what are you feeling? >> i feel sad and i don't want to feel scared, but i do feel scared. >> how are you feeling in the wake of this attack as a citizen of this country?
>> i don't know. it's not bad to be afraid by this, i think, because we have to live. some people can kill us, i think. >> are you scared? >> a little. >> got the feeling it could happen to us, and it could happen to everyone over the world. i mean, there is something intangible that happens, and there is a fear and something like kind of unfair feeling, but we definitely for on my side, i think we really have to think about the roots of the source, why, how it can happen. >> all right, i want to bring in jim sciutto here with me on the ground, deb feyerick also joining us on the phone in new york working our sources.
jim to you first, the fact we have been here as the hours progressed today, the magnitude of this is one thing, right, belgium, paris, six coordinated attacks pulled off and not a trace was noticed by the authorities. how does this go unknown, untracked when you have something so coordinated? >> that's a very good question because we were here in january for the "charlie hebdo" attacks right down the street from here. at the time they were talked about raising the alert and god knows they were looking for this kind of thing, so how do you manage to have such a coordinated and broad scale attack, which frankly is french, but also international. there are now raids as we know going on in belgium, an arrest in germany we believe is connected. how does that happen is something the french authorities are digging into right now. it's the kind of attack u.s. and europe mean counterterrorism officials have been worried about for some time, seven attackers, three groups, multiple sites around the city,
kalashnikovs, explosives they've seemed to have made themselves, with al qaeda-linked groups, the french pinning this on isis and now we have this claim from isis. >> what about the facts that we know at this point that one of the attackers appears to be a french national and the fact that you heard francois hollande saying earlier today this was coordinated outside, but helped to be executed internally and the concern about the internal french involvement? >> enormously important comments and details. first let's talk about what we know about the suspects. the one we know we reported this earlier in the day, a french national from south of paris, it was identified by fingerprints, known by police, radicalized in 2010, but they didn't believe he was involved in terror and, therefore, weren't watching him. this again harkens back to charlie hebdo. they have been under surveillance and no longer were. to be fair, this country has hundreds, perhaps thousands of suspected jihadis. impossible to have all the security forces necessary to watch each one of them, so it's
a judgment call. in two cases you have a bad judgment call. let's talk again about the as y assailants here. one was french but also a syrian and egyptian passport near the bodies of the other. the syrian passport was a national who entered the country via greece, so says the greece government. we don't know that passport could have been stolen, there's a huge black market, but still that's one clue. we do know there were international ties because you now have raids in belgium and an arrest in germany a week before the attack and francois hollande saying local support but foreign direction, so there was some command and control it appears from isis central. and that's remarkable, as well, when you think of the level of alert in this country that speaks to communications that could have been intercepted, et cetera. the fact they could pull that off, something so coordinated, so deadly, really is remarkable. and it's scary. >> does it speak to the changing nature if you will, jim, of isis? >> absolutely. certainly growing threat.
look just in the last week we've had three attacks now. you've had this in france, you've had the bombings in beirut, and not officially determined an isis attack that brought down the french jet, but that is the going theory. so here is a group that the president said on monday was contained in iraq and syria, to be fair the president was speaking purely about the battlefield, and there have been gains made. you saw the kurds take back sinjar, but the fact is, it's not contained as an international threat, because it is showing up in many countries and showing its ability to project terror in those countries. >> we heard that from john kerry today saying they are more -- there's more will now than ever to defeat them everywhere they are in the world. >> no question. and no simple solution to this problem. >> no question. >> you have people say shut the borders, but this was also a local problem, so shutting the borders does not stop it. >> absolutely with that one french national and we're yet to learn the identities of the others. jim sciutto stay with me, deb feyerick on the phone working
her sources. deb, when you talk about the arrests and raids in belgium, what can you tell us on that front? >> we do know is that investigators believe that there's a connection to belgium, specifically because of a car with belgium license plates that was found at the scene of one of the attacks. the attack near the theater, and so that car linked back to belgium and a source telling me that, in fact, they do believe that at least one of those raids, several of them taking place in that belgium suburb, were actually directly connected to those attackers. and investigators are looking at who was able to put this together, and they are looking at the little evidence that they do have, so, for example, as jim mentioned, they found passports at the attacks. now it doesn't mean these passports actually belong to the individuals involved. maybe it's they are making a statement, maybe they are trying to throw people off or lay blame for the reason they did this at the feet of someone else. so they are looking at that. they are also looking at the
identification of an individual who they now know, a french national who was radicalized in 2010 and has a criminal record, they are trying to find out who he knew, what the links are there. so that's another thing, forensics being done on the devices, on the devices themselves, because investigators really want to know who not only built these suicide vests, but who may have designed these vests. and that's crucial, because we have seen plots where you have a single bomb maker who is able to make these devices that, obviously, are then distributed to individuals who are willing and ready to detonate themselves. seven of those terrorists detonating the suicide vests and killing themselves and there's also a question as to who their handler was, who was managing them, so you have to look at this. this isn't just sort of a paris-centric attack. this is an attack that could have involved multiple people in
multiple countries giving orders, giving directions. that's what you've got. you've got an asymmetrical kind of warfare where if this is isis directed, then there is somebody who is sending teams out to do these kinds of attacks, and we have to keep in mind the ultimate goal, you think of the number of people killed and injured, ultimate goal of these attacks is chaos, it is terror, it is shutting down the psyche of a nation so that they feel that they are vulnerable by hitting paris again, poppy, they sent a very loud message that we got you in january at "charlie hebdo" and the jewish market and have come back to get you again and that's the great fear. that's why investigators are looking at a very broad net of people who may have been arrested in the last couple of weeks and months to see what the connections are that may have been up to now. >> absolutely, and that is the central question, is you've got
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with paris tonight. pope francis tweeting, i am deeply saddened by the terrorist attacks in paris. please join me in prayer for the victims and their families, #prayersforparis. u.s. secretary of state john kerry decried the massacre as vile, horrendous, and outrageous today. >> i want to make sure that it is absolutely crystal clear that the united states stands with france and the rest of the world in our resolve to eliminate the scourge of violent extremist groups from the face of the earth. >> british prime minister david cameron says he is shocked, he also says the united kingdom will do whatever it can, of course, to help. joining me now, indiana congressman andre carson, he sits on the house intelligence committee. thank you for being with me, congressman. >> thank you for having us. >> you tweeted to the people of france, "we stand unified with you. this morning, all of france is
in our hearts and in our prayers." it certainly is. i can tell you being here, walking around, talking to the citizens here, telling me they don't want to be scared, but they are scared, this nation has gone through far too much just ten months ago the "charlie hebdo" attack and now 129 innocent lives taken. nearly 400 others injured and in the hospital. in terms of an intelligence perspective, we know that isis has claimed responsibility, we heard what secretary kerry and francois hollande had to say earlier today. anything you can share with us from a u.s. intelligence perspective on this attack and potential threats to the homeland? >> i will say that when it comes to the intelligence apparatus, the united states is a global leader in terms of the strength of our intelligence community. that is also to say that our european partners and our middle eastern partners have been critical in the fight against terrorism. isil only represents itself, it
doesn't represent islam or any religion, it is an organization that is being led by countless manipulators and many would argue that it doesn't have a traditional centralized command in which they can launch strikes like other terrorist organizations, but we know that they have sympathizers. we fought in america against an isil sympathizer down south at a military training facility, and, you know, it's something that has become a greater challenge for our intelligence agencies to counter, but we're working together with law enforcement officials, day and night to eliminate the threat ultimately. >> you know, you heard president obama say in that interview this week on "good morning america" with george stephanopoulos isis has been contained. to be fair, he was speaking about on the battlefield in syria and iraq and we have seen that, but when you look at that and now you see what has happened, this really has evolved into a new stage of isis's ability, this coordinated
attack, six different locations across paris, arrests in belgium, arrests in germany a few weeks ago potentially tied to this. the coordination, i think, is staggering and i wonder what you think it tells us about what needs to happen as this war on isis, as francois hollande deemed it today, an act of war, is carried forward? >> well, certainly, our hearts go out to the victims, their families, and the people of france. i think the president is right in terms of having a battlefield context, but in the abstract we're fighting against an ideology. we're fighting against a mentality that doesn't have a clear objective. all we know is that they are harming people, they are harming people from all stripes and all religions, and they don't represent anything remotely religious. it is a terrorist organization that clearly has troubled people as a part of it, and as we move forward, we would love to see,
as we're seeing in france right now, a united front across racial, religious, and cultural lines. we would love to see a global united front against this and other terrorist organizations. >> so, on that front, congressman, there is this unreleased video, released i should say, rather undated video, that is urging muslims that are unable to travel to syria, for example, to wage war, to carry out attacks here in this country in france. you are the first muslim to sit on the house intelligence committee. i'm interested for you personally when you see something like that, when you see a perverse message like that, what do you think and what do you say to everyone out there who may be receiving this video? >> well, there are nearly 2 billion muslims on the planet. while the religion is monotheistic, it is not a monolithic religion. i will say that most muslims are
peace loving muslims, they condemn these actions. as someone who sits on the house intelligence committee, i'm also a former police officer, i think i'm the only member of congress who has served in a homeland security intelligence fusion center very proudly, i can say that there are scores of muslims in our country and outside of our country who are working in our law enforcement agencies and in intelligence communities quite frankly who are helping to thwart attacks and are working vigorously in making sure that the world is a better and safer place. >> you know, congressman, as one young couple just told me earlier this evening, i was speaking with them, they said i think we need to get to all know each other a little bit better. it won't solve all problems, but we need to know one another so we don't kill one another, and that certainly resinated with me. representative andre carson, i appreciate your time this evening, sir. thank you. >> an honor, thank you. >> thank you. we're going to take a quick break. much more from paris live after this.
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residue, i should say, from many bomb sites across this city. the investigation is global at this point, it is stretching far, far beyond france. the main prosecutor here in paris saying seven terrorists were killed, all with armed identical machine guns and strapped with explosives. three separate teams of terrorists conducted the deadly attacks in paris. raids in belgium are linked to the paris attacks, as well. we know there have been several arrests in a suburb of brussels. what we do know is that a car rented in brussels was found near one of the sites of the paris attack, and that is what triggered the raids there. joining me now, cnn national security analyst correspondent jim sciutto with me, because we have some breaking news. as you can understand right now, things are very fluid. just come over here, jim, you can use my microphone. what do we know? >> so, we have a french official telling cnn they are still concerned there may be other
attackers out there. they don't have hard information that's the case, but they are covering every base, because they are not 100% certain, and i'll tell you one measure of that. there was a false alarm just in the last several minutes at the hotel. >> about 20 minute drive from here. >> big police presence, they went searching room to room, there was also a police presence outside the eiffel tower and outside a metro station, a subway station here in paris, turned out to be a false alarm. that's what police tell us. that's the level of alert right now. of course, they don't want to leave any threats or possible threat untaken care of. >> just to be clear for our viewers, obviously, they never said today at any point that every attacker was contained or neutralized, but this is a development, that now something has triggered them to believe there may be more out there. do we know why? >> either something triggered them or to be fair this is out of an abundance of caution. remember, they are just learning really and confirming how big this attack was. one thing they do know and the
french president is confident in, even if these seven attackers who are now dead were the only attackers, they believe there was a larger support network that, for instance, was getting them cars, that was helping getting them the explosives, get the weapons, the ammunition, et cetera, and that then leads, as we know, beyond france, because you've had raids in belgium and arrests in germany last week. police are making sure there aren't still attackers out there. >> this web is coming together a bit more. additionally we learned today a syrian passport was found next to one of the bodies of the attackers. do we know about the authenticity? >> we do. law enforcement sources tell us they believe it is an authentic passport and the greek government registered this passport as having passed through greece, the island of laros, which is a main entry point for refugees coming from europe. it is possible that passport was stolen or sold or taken by someone so that refugee was not the attacker, but it is also possible that one of these attackers came in through that
influx of refugees from syria. >> which has been such a contentious point and has been so politically heated in the debate about the migrant crisis. >> and already taken advantage of. european politicians, ben carson in the u.s. political debate campaign saying this is a sign that europe has to close its borders to the refugees. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. stay with us, appreciate the reporting. i want to go straight to our panel, joining me now, peter bergen, rick franconan, juliet cayenne. peter to you, you penned an op-ed posted on cnn.com and in it you say these attackers that pulled off this coordinated attack in six different locations in paris last night have learned a lesson from their predecessors, harkening back to mumbai in 2008. tell me more. >> one thing i'm interested in is the use of tatp. tatp is an explosive that was used in these bombs is very
unstable, and the reason that the bombers use it is because you can make it from common household ingredients, essentially, hydrogen pe rock size. it was used in the attempt to bring down american planes leaving heathrow in 2006, luckily that was averted, and it was also used in the attempt to blow up bombs in times square around the eighth anniversary of 9/11. and, you know, to make this you need a lot of training because it's highly unstable, you also need a bomb factory. the investigators must surely be looking for where the bomb factory was. they could have made it themselves, could have been given it, but it's not something you can just learn on the internet. there is a training process, and if you don't get it right, you can blow yourself up very easily. >> and juliet, now you just heard what jim sciutto reported, that officials here are saying there is heightened concern at this hour there may still be
more potential attackers, terrorists tied in this web on the loose. as formerly with the department of homeland security, if you're looking at this from their perspective as they deployed 1500 troops here across paris, what are you doing at this hour with that information? >> i would do the same thing the paris officials are doing, you have to assume that something more is happening. at least until you're able to begin and the investigation and figure out how an attack of this magnitude peter was just describing occurred without anyone finding out. we have a terminology, atm, you have to follow the atm, which is the arms, right, the training, and the money. because this was a big event, it does not just happen overnight. how did they get those weapons? how did they get the bomb materials? how did they test them, then on training, these are highly sophisticated attacks, were they in syria or some place else, and money. these men had to survive somehow, and who was funding
them? so that's where this investigation is going, but i would tell you if i were in france or anywhere in europe, you just have to assume that this is not the end of it. it is not to scare people, it is only to push out security efforts, as well as keep people vigilant, because we simply don't know at this stage. >> and carl to you, look, we saw this in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" attack, the brothers who had been trapped by intelligence here in france because they'd been radicalized, then were no longer tracked and then "charlie hebdo" took place. the fact you have one french national now according to the paris prosecutor involved in this, the fact francois hollande, the president of france, is saying this was coordinated with help from the inside, from french people, what does it tell you about the ability to track people that are radicalized and see them through so something like this doesn't happen? >> well, i think it's a question
of resources. they've had thousands of french nationals go to the battlefields of syria and iraq and acquire this training and combat skill, and many of them have returned. in fact, so many the french admitted there's no way they can possibly track all these people. if you take the sheer numbers of the people that have come back versus the numbers of the resources the french can apply to this, no way they can follow them all, so they have to prioritize them and they have to go through a system of saying, okay, we're going to follow these people because they represent what we believe to be a threat. and, of course, people are going to fall through the cracks. so this is a very, very difficult problem. i don't know how they get over that hurdle. >> but you have to, i mean we heard francois hollande say today this is an act of war. we, the french people, will be ruthless. what can you do to counter this? >> well, you go after the problem at its root cause, and i think he eluded to that. france will be the leader and
they are going to be vicious, and i think what he means is and i hope what he means is they are going to put more pressure on isis in their homeland in syria and iraq. we have already heard that the french have increased their air air strikes. they've expanded their operations into syria, prieror that they were only in iraq. we heard isis elude to this, french expanding resources would be a source of retaliation and that's what we're seeing. the solution is to go after the root cause, isis in rakka, in sinjar, in mosul, that's where we have to go. >> yeah, and this coming at a week when there was a kurdish and coalition victory when you talk about sinjar, but it's a lot more than just that. lieutenant colonel rick francona thank you, joule et thank you, peter bergen, as well. more on the american confirmed dead in this attack.
she is a 23 year old. her name is nohemi gonzalez. she is a student at california state university-long beach. she was a junior. she was in paris attending state college of design during her semester abroad program. something so many american college students do. she was here enjoying her friday night like so many other innocent victims. it is not known which of the attacks did take her life. we will let you know when we know more on that. there will be a vigil held for her tomorrow at cal state in long beach. quick break. we're back live from paris in just a moment.
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coverage of the terror attack that has triggered a nation in mourning and also a state of emergency in france. something we haven't seen here in more than 50 years. here's what we know at this hour. french prosecutors say seven terrorists were working in three coordinated teams. they carried out a series of shootings and suicide bombings last night at six different locations across this city. 129 people were killed, 352 were wounded. the worst carnage at the bataclan concert hall, that is where 89 people were brutally murdered, some of them right at point-blank range. survivors describing a slow-motion massacre. the killers just shooting, reloading, and shooting, and reloading. all of the attackers then either killed themselves by detonating their suicide vests, or were shot and killed by police. there have been multiple arrests made in belgium, that is where authorities today carried out raids in the suburbs of brussels. a source telling us here at cnn
that at least one of those raids is tied to friday's attacks, which began with suicide bombings at a paris soccer stadium. french fans leaving the stadium showing their solidarity, singing the french national anthem. ♪ british author and columnist for the financial times simon cooper was inside for that match between france and germany. that is when two explosions went off. he is with me now. we've seen it play out on television over and over again. you were there in the stadium. what was it like? >> it was very confusing. i mean, there was a very loud bang near ly 20 minutes into th game and a lot of people laughed and cheered because they thought it was fireworks, sometimes happens at soccer games.
it was too loud for that. a few moments later there was a louder bang, and i thought this is not fireworks. >> they were playing between the two explosions, right? >> the game continued throughout, was never interrupted for any of this. france scored about 20 minutes after the first explosion. there was huge cheering in the stadium. second half france scored again. again, huge cheering. people did the mexican wave after the two explosions. the fans initially didn't know. and towards the end of the game most people were getting news on their phones about shootings in paris. we'd heard these were explosions outside the stadium, didn't know what they were. appears suicide bombers intended to blow up themselves inside the stadium, which would have been way worse. >> president francois hollande was there, beefed up security may have actually saved so many lives. >> yes, there was also a report one steward very cleverly turned one of these guys away, wouldn't let him in. the aim was to do this on live
television in front of the president, 80,000 people packed closely. doesn't bear thinking about. and france is hosting the european soccer championships in june. >> in december you've got cop-21, huge climate change global summit in december. >> this city is going to have to do a lot to reduce its freedom and increase its security. >> you live here, this is your neighborhood, simon. >> yeah. >> talking to you as someone who moved to new york in 2001 just days before 9/11, it is that delicate balance we strike between our freedom and protecting ourselves and our beloved city and those we love. when you say reduce freedom, what kind of city do you want to live in? >> i don't want to live in that kind of city, but paris is a fantastically free city and it's a city of public space, people live in small apartments, you're out on the streets all the time, you don't have backyards, you don't have barbecues, you're on the street, in squares, cafes,
restaurants, theaters, soccer stadiums. you live in paris to be outside and with other people. that, of course, from a terrorist point of view is danger. >> what would you like to see done? i mean, they have 1500 police now across france, most of them concentrated right here in paris. what would make you feel comfortable as you walk the streets here in your neighborhood? >> i don't want to live in a militarized camp, and new york didn't become that. it became that for a while then became new york again. i want paris to be this great city where you can walk into a cafe, sit down and you feel happy and don't wonder about what other people there are doing and whether anyone is up to something. in paris, to live in paris, live in new york, you have to have trust in your millions of fellow citizens and we've managed that well. i was listening to conversations by the bataclan between orthodox jews and muslims chatting, laughing, joking, comparing religions and that is most of the time what paris is about. we get along pretty well here.
>> 43-year-old man who immigrated here from west africa eight years ago told me paris is an incredibly welcoming place. obviously, we hear differently from some, but it is a beloved city to so many. >> people here are irritable because we all have cabin fever because we all live too closely cramped together, but the amount of dealings every day you have with people different origins, different religions, and you know what, almost all the time we just get along pretty well. i know there are ethnic sanctions, but to me paris is a miracle, 12 million people from everywhere and we've made it work in a casual and relaxed way. i worry that might change. >> simon kuper, thank you very much for joining me, so sorry this happened, especially right here in your neighborhood. thank you, appreciate it very much. simon kuper with us, he was in the stadium when the explosions rang out. quick break, we're back on the other side.
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national soccer stadium. also new york governor cuomo announced today state agencies are under heightened alert and using new surveillance measures. joining me now buck sexton. buck, first to you. there are football games happening all weekend. college football games, as well as nfl games. how concerned should the average u.s. citizen be right now? >> i think the best way to describe it would be on heightened alert for the authorities and just the continued vigilance that all americans should have in a post-9/11 era, if they have some sense that something around them is going awry, they should bring it to the attention of the authorities. we can't live in fear and we can't decide that we're going to make this something that changes our way of life here at home just because of what's happened in paris. there's, obviously, a lot going on right now, lot of liaison, intelligence sharing between the various european services and all of the agencies and law enforcement groups here in this country that are trying to prevent a similar thing from
happening, but no such thing as perfect security. the islamic states had a lot of time to plan, equip, and put together these kind of operations. this is not the last of this kind of operation we're going to see and this is something of a wake-up call, not just for europe, but for all of the west. >> i've been speaking to officials in the fbi, other agencies in the u.s. all working throughout the weekend looking at the people that the u.s. has already been monitoring. director comey of the fbi says there are 9 had u open investigations here in the u.s. walk us through what is happening right now with intelligence officials, law enforcement officials, with these cases. >> this is similar to the sorts of cases i had to handle in the nypd intelligence division. you have individuals that have some kind of a tie with radicals, perhaps people that have been prosecuted for some sort of terrorist-related activity, but just being on the
radar, so to speak, is not something that's necessarily prosecutable, so you could have people known to say the fbi or other agencies here at home saying the sorts of things that would raise eyebrows and that would be concerning that show a degree of radicalization, that show perhaps they have even gone to the edge of jihadization, where they might try to partake or assist others in partaking of jihad, but that's not necessarily something law enforcement can pounce on there's so many of these open cases across the country, that you can't have a perfect scoreboard. you're not going to be able to keep an eye on everyone all the time, so you really have to do a degree of triage, despite all the resources we have in a post-9/11 era, we also don't want to live in a policed state and individuals under suspicion do have rights, so it's a big ask for law enforcement in this country to get it right all the time and as we see in europe, unfortunately, we don't get it right all the time.
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all right, you are looking at live pictures from the heart of paris. people gathered there, hundreds of them earlier this evening in a show of strength and solidarity of this city, for the people of france, despite the government advising people to stay indoors tonight because, of course, we heard as our jim sciutto reported that french
officials believe there may still be potential attackers on the loose. but again, you see the people of france gathered showing their support for one another and for the city that they love so much. attacks like what we witnessed in paris threaten fuels and a phobia in many people on edge right now. earlier today i spoke with a 43-year-old man, he immigrated here from west africa eight years ago. his 25-year-old niece ava is one of the victims of this horrific attack. did she tell you anything about the attack? >> no, she didn't tell me anything about the attack. she only tell me that when they came to the restaurant, you know, they started firing. then that's the time she went to go out, then they shot her one hand and one here and one on her
leg. >> they shot her arm and then her leg twice? >> yeah. >> does she feel lucky that she survived? >> yeah, she feels lucky because there was 18 victims there, all dead. >> did any of her friends die? did any of her friends, were any of her friends killed? >> yes, her friend, two of her friends, they are killed. >> they are killed. >> yeah, yeah, and the one organized the birthday, she's in between dead and alive. >> again, you heard him saying there his 25-year-old niece ava, she was shot three times at the restaurant, she is a survivor but had part of one of her legs amputated, he told me. she feels lucky she survived considering two of her friends
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