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welcome to cnn's continueing coverage of paris. hala gorani chris cuomo here. this is a city not even a year since "charlie hebdo." the mood subdued and quiet, coming into unity and concern for others also act of concern for others. the president said stay home if you can. this was an assault on the lifestyle from these murderers of the act of islamism and these people show they will not have their lifestyle change. >> and all religion and all race races. not just french all french who
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enjoy going to a night out or restaurant or football/soccer game et cetera all those targets were carefully chosen by fanatics to say we do not agree with the way you live and we want to divide you. if i know one thing about parisian parisians, you don't tell them what to do. they'll still be out and enjoying what makes them intrinsically parisian. >> while this is a painful reminder of what happened with charlie hebdo, it is against terrorism. the first suicide bomber a man who exploded himself at the first soccer stadium outside paris, he came to europe as part of an organized group smuggled with refugees. they landed a month ago on an island and he was carrying a passport of syria, his statedvy
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country of origin and we will learn later if that is correct, shineing a light how you treat the refugees how much you can know within their desperation, there is also opportunity for evil. >> and we have info on another attacker as well named as a 29-year-old french citizen, homegrown terrorist, born in this country. interestingly or not surpriseing surprisingly with a petty criminal past. this is similar to the vicious attacks in january. >> who they are not important, who helped them critical in importance. another thing we're not giveing you in agonizeing detail is how many are dead. why? we don't know. you should not be consumed with the numbers. you know the loss of humanity is very great here. there are so many fighting for
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their lives in the hospitals wounded it is premature to get to the idea. the huhman loss is huge an unqualified truth. >> not all the victims have been identified. one can only imagine the agony of family and friends still looking, wondering, are they injured? have they perished? those questions still for a couple of dozen of victims' family and friends not answered this morning. >> the biggest question who else was involved and where else will this lead? with the g-20 summit getting together and what will happen now? we go to clarissa ward. >> reporter: hi, good morning, kris. you talked a little bit about that french national who has been identified. mostefai 29 years old, had a
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history of crime but had never actually been to prison but we know six people close to mostefai are being interrogated and held and trying to find out who this young man was and who they're working with and we found an abandoned get away car, in that car, a number of ak-47 rifles it's not clear which attack that car was the get away car for. essentially now, police really trying to lock down a number of lead leads, trying to work out if there are more attackers at large and who are the network that facilitated and helped to orchestrate this enormous attack. it is a sophisticated and complex attack unlike previous more lone wolf types of attacks we've seen isis call for and carry out here in europe. one other thing i wanted to note yesterday we talked quite a lot about the passport of an egyptian national found and
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speculateing one bomber might have been egyptian. cnn has been able to get in touch with the family of the holder of that passport. he is a victim of this vicious crime and now in intensive care. it's not clear yet whether or not he will make it. it gives you a sense of the fog and chaos following this kind of event where everybody is trying to find leads in a very murky and very difficult and very depressing time. >> and, clarissa as we're dealing with where we go from here investigatively. obviously, there seem to be two major points of concern, your take on them one those who came in the name of islamism are not the only ones involved in this plot. the other is the suicide vests ss a first for french to deal with the chemical compound doesn't
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transport well very volatile probably locally made. what do these pieces mean to you? >> reporter: this is a really big concern, this is important for our viewers in the u.s. perhaps they don't understand these kind of weapons, assault weapons, grenades suicide, it's very difficult to get ahold of these weapons in europe. very strict gun control here. how did these men get ahold of these weapons and where did they get ahold of the explosive vest vests? where did the get it in syria or were they working with a criminal enterprise. we know with "charlie hebdo," there were strong criminal link links. and they try to explore this nexus on the one hand criminal elements who know how to dodge police who know how to get weapons, who know how to get explosives and also radicalized element elements who have been so brutalized and dehumanized by
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the violence they experienced and participated in syria and now coming back organized, well armed and ready to kill. >> clarissa thank you very much. please keep us in the loop on whatever you learn. the investigation is very robust and expanding all the time. >> let's bring in our chief international correspondent, christiane amanpour. she brings new information about what occurred at the football stadium. >> yes. as we've been reporting this morning there is dramatic new information not just in the investigation but what it means in the new threat in certainly europe and what it means in france. they are now convinced -- the frence authorities are now convince these people who blew themselves up at the stade de france are part of what they call an organized crime gang of terrorists who come in poseing as migrants and refugees thus fulfilling the threat by isis public lily several weeks ago we
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will send our people to fight you even in your own homes and don't think you're safe even in your own homes and that has been proven here friday the 13th. a different timeype of attack for france. this particular individual who blew himself up first at the french stadium where the football match was interrupted by these explosions was in possession of what was a false possible but a possible given under these new emergency provisions as they do for migrants now. he had come along with a boat full of people to lair rossros in greece and they're sure he gave a false name born in september of 1990. september 10th of 1990 went on like all the people who go from greece through the balkans and
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on into western europe macedonia, serbia cro asia where he was registered as a refugee at one of the main refugee camps on the 7th of october. they figured this all out because the passport and this finger that was left after he blew himself up the print match matched the passport but it didn't match the french database therefore they didn't know him and said that's why they are convinced he's part of this migrant wave. it's a very dramatic development not just for the criminal and terrorist investigation but for what it means politically to europe struggling with this immigration, not just the overwhelming number of refugees come ing but what it might mean in terms of security. >> also your source was telling you about the two other suicide bombers they say were carrying other fake passports? >> that's right. this was confirmed by the interior ministry here. the other two, we're told were
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carrying false turkish passports and emphasized the word false. i don't yet have the names of those people false turkish passports paints this false picture having been told to me by this french senator having been briefed by the french ministry they are this new squad of terrorists comeing in at least this one, with the immigrants. >> interesting to hear the reaction of the intelligence community here in france and also the united states. what do we see here so far? there's speculation at least some of the attackers were young. they see it in their in inexperience thank god, of howe they use their own vests more people weren't taken. in almost all the instances they exploded themselves and ended up not killing anybody else. their youth speaks to the poison of islamism and how these people can be turned very quickly through the use of that miss shapen idea of what it is to be
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a muslim. on the other side they're say saying from the u.s. side of intelligence france has all the ingredients of the difficulty in this war, shared borders, not under the conditions that are now a state of emergency in order nary lifey not having the heightened sense of purpose they may share in other places like the united states a huge native population now, maybe some 5,000, who are potentially targets of radicalism and islamism. and their ability to get weapons here just like anywhere else this is a place of not if but when we see attacks like this. >> it happened and when was on friday and you can imagine in britain they're worried, the head of mi5 domestic intelligence said over the last two months we are seeing the biggest level of threat we've ever seen in regard to isis. >> the u.s. too, it's a big part of the presidential election a big part of the
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immigration prospect. >> the original fears voiced by police commissioners from new york to elsewhere, fbi and national security and law enforcement officials in the united states including in europe was about blowback from syria. their fears started a couple years ago. the blowback from syria and then the blowback from isis not extinction wishing this flameing war in syria is what has, in inexorable logic scorned this. it's in a state of vacuum and who has taken the vacuum is isis. >> that doesn't mean it doesn't represent a threat you don't have to deal with. in the u.s. the i dodialogue in stead of 65,000 85,000 refugees to be brought in how can you vette something like this. >> we're talking 400,000 refugee
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refugees here. >> the biggest threat let's find out who this guy was. a false passport remember. the biggest threat according to law enforcement, of course this new wave coming in potentially as organized groups but all the hundreds and thousands gone from the united states france britain, belgium, netherlands, germany, no matter where, sweden north africa to fight on the ground with their own passports. we heard from michael weiss yesterday, written a lot about isis written one of the most definitive books. he says this nonsense we're putting on television they're burning their passports, no they're not, they're keeping their passports so they can come in with those passports and slip in come back home with a passport. >> christiana and chris, also this attacker some of the attackers in the case of charlie hebdo didn't need to go to syria.
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you don't need go to syria to get weapons training. you're radicalized online. >> and the vests not sophisticated and could have been locally learned. >> could have been but yesterday the prosecutor was saying they probably got training on that a abroad. it was a very sophisticated group, and this dovetails with what the french president says this is a war declared on france by an army of jihadists, used very specific words, army of jihadists and terrorists this attack was planned abroad, committed here with local accomplice accomplices. that's what we're seeing. >> just to remind our viewers of the news the belgium foreign minister gave us minutes ago five arrests were made in brussels and he is quite sure these individuals are connected with the terrorist attacks that took place in paris friday. >> this has opened people's eyes
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welcome back to cnn's continueing coverage of what happened in paris chriscomo, hall -- chris cuomo, hala gorani. >> we're talking about the attack on the soccer stadium, that man who blew himself outside the stadium came to europe in a highly organized group carrying a syrian passport and landed on the group island of lairros about a month ago. it raises many questions about this influx of refugees fleeing violence and war in their home lands and coming to europe to find safe haven. what kind of reaction will
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ordinary europeans have to that information. >> the suffering is undeniable going on in syria and people are fleeing for their life and children and families are being devastated. this will ignite a new fear in the united states and certainly playing out in the election. let's get to chris on the political implications of this news. when american politicians running for president hear one of these killers had a false passport from syria and that's how he got in as an alleged refugee, it's going to bring harsh harsh criticism. >> you're absolutely right. you're seeing those developments play out on the campaign trail already where president obama's plan to bring in at least 10,000 refugees is runnin against those planning to take his job. donald trump called it insane
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and it was also called the craze craziest the president can do. bobby jindal sent a letter to president obama demanding more information about the syrian refugees that have started arriveing in his home state. he wrote quote it is irresponsible and severely dis disconcerting to place individuals who may have ties to isis in a state without the state's knowledge or involvement. gop candidate, rick santorum even arguing accepting refugees is exactly what isis wants the u.s. to do. here's what he and his fellow candidate, rand paul had to say. >> we accomplish what isis wants to accomplish. we accomplish what assad wants to accomplish by accepting people they don't, most of them i would assume they don't want to be in their geographic areay whether they're christians or muslims who don't agree with them or whether they're folks who are not supportive of the
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assad regime whatever the case may be by accepting them we then displace them and now isis is stronger. >> i wouldn't invite syrian refugees here. i will oppose them coming. >> democrats meanwhile said during their debate saturday night the u.s. should accept syrian refugees hilary clinton and martin o'malley said the country should take in as many as 65,000 refugees while bernie sanders says there's no magic number but he was supportive of the idea. back to you guys in paris. >> all right, thanks very much. joining us with more syrian terrorism analyst, new information what unfolded overnight in brussels and lieutenant colonel robert macginnis. paul let's start with you. >> you just had the belgian foreign minister on and there were five arrests in this district north of brussels and saying the reasons they were
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connected to the attack in paris. i've just been talking to a senior belgian counter-terrorism official this group arrested in brussels were in communication and contact with the paris attack attackers. a confirmation of this link between bellgianlgium and attacks in paris. they did not find explosions on these people in these people in brussels and may be the logistical step of supporting them. >> we have to step back in terms of the response. we have fred macginnis with this. it's something hala and i have been talking about when we're not on air. islam versus islamism. the faith many people want to name mistakenly this perversion of the faith isis has indoctrinated in the notion of a state and these people who
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exploded themselves came in the name of. explain the distinction. >> the vast majority of muslims hate isis and view it as a perversion of the religion. isis themselves think their interpretation of the religion is the only acceptable interpretation of the religion. >> what's the difference between islam and islamism? >> islam is a religion and islamism is a movement. there are lots of different timestime s times of islamism more moderate perhaps the islam brotherhood and different shade shades. these isis suicide bombers that came to paris to launch these attacks are religiously motivated. they believe they're going paradise and the key part of the motivation and why we saw them
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blow themselves up. that's exactly what they wanted to see happen and this has been very powerful for all the recruits going to syria and iraq. >> words matter and ranch matter and -- language matters and politicians talk about it all the time. part of the reality is what you say about it you're fighting an ideology of any man or woman on the ground in the name of this violence how important is that moving forward from this? >> obviously, words mat ear great deal. i think the most important thing, moving forward for the entire international community, the entire western world is put an end to this safe haven in syria and iraq. we learned from 9/11 if you have a terrorist safe haven, terrible things happen and we saw it in afghanistan and an even bigger safe haven in syria and iraq a frightening number of westerners
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there and now the possibility they're manageing to send middle eastern ers back here to launch attacks expanding the number of possible people they have to launch these atrocityies. >> colonel macginnis, we've had aerial strikes on isis targets in syria and iraq a year and a half now. many countries have joined in on the effort and even turkey although they probably bombed kurdish elements and isis. so far, it has done nothing but prevent huge gains in territory. it is not working. what needs to be done military? >> i think this morning, that president obama met with president erdogan there in turkey at the g-20. they discussed an issue erdogan has been pushing for a long time. i think we're ready for it a no-fly zone an isis-free zone in the border area with syria. that would allow refugees to
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move in there, safe from the carnage that's going on elsewhere in syria and, of course the turks would help we would help and parts of the coalition would help defend that. that would stem the flow to a certain degree of many of the refugees trying to get out of iraq and syria. it's a start. i think the president, when he met with his national security council yesterday probably said we really need to assess some of what we're doing. we have announcements in the last couple of days we're going to pick up the number of air strikes against syrians and iraq or isis in iraq so it would appear as if the president is gradually shifting his policies of containment to something more aggressive given what's happened in paris and, of course given perhaps what is happening -- that russian airliner a week ago. >> colonel, give us a fresh take on what exactly the situation is. hala certainly has justifiable
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basis to say it hasn't worked. we see expansion of influence if not of territory, but we just heard president obama say there has been containment within syria and isis doesn't have the stronghold there they did have. you get different opinions. what do you believe the reality is on the ground in syria right now? >> chris, of course geographically perhaps the footprint of isis in syria and iraq hasn't radically expanded. however, we have seen it more to franchise. just the other day we bombed or the french bombed against an isis facility in libya. we have seen it in the stands. we have seen it in afghanistan. we have seen what you've been talking about the last few minutes is perhaps many isis trained people onwhen suicide bomb bombers have come in with the flow of refugees and as a result they have planted these people ready for somebody maybe
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in bag dadthdadi to pull the trigger and mass chaos like we've seen in paris. it was a week ago we've hearn in british papers that was the strategy to infiltrate the refugee refugees. the new revelation you have about the syrian passport i will tell you a month ago, in stu gart germany stuttgart, germany they arrested a recruit recruiter who had a suitcase full of syrian passports. >> colonel, thank you very much and for the perspective on that. >> i want to add something on this no-fly zone in northern syria, the turks have been pushing for it a long time. the americans have not wanted it and said repeatedly in the past the conditions are not on the table. this is a military operation and need support from the air and security for that zone and who else would do it?
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there is criticism for turkey the reason they want this safe zone is to keep kurdish militants out of it much more for that reason than to keep isis out of the zone and keep it safe. it's a very political concern and sure it's being discussed today. >> it needs to be said. it seems so simple to the uninitiated. they're in syria, let's go bomb syria. who's "we" and who's going to do it and everybody has competing interest in what's going on in an ever expanding picture of threat. that's the geopolitical nature of it and what the war against isis is. you have the investigation into what happened here. and the investigation is expand expanding from france to belgium, maybe logistical maybe tactical as to what happened in paris, what do we know? >> reporter: we've got a lot more detail for you


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