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good evening, i'm erin bur net, joining you live from paris from the place de la republique, people are coming to honor those who lost their lives in horrific attacks on friday night. we have a stunning development in the manhunt here which is going on in paris in europe and of course in nearby belgium. a man named salah abdelslam was
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stopped as he was driving to the belgium border and they let him go and now there is a warrant out for his rest. one of his brothers was killed in the attacks and one of his brother's has been arrested. jim shuuto joins me now. this is a stunning development. >> it is sobering. in effect, they had one of the three brothers, the three very well involved in this one killed in the attack and other detained and this one who got away. with this international arrest warrant we know they are serious about him because of all of the efforts they are going through to catch him. it's unfortunate. they had one in their hands and it harkens back to "charlie hebdo," one of the brothers had been under surveillance before the attacks a couple of years before and they took him off surveillance bought you have 5,000 people they might want to have under surveillance but
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here's a case. after the attacks he was stopped and questioned and let go. it's a sobering development. >> this would mean he was incredibly well prepared when he answered the questions. one can only imagine how several hours after the attacks in the depths of the middle of the night on the right to belgium, they pull this man aside and question him -- >> to be fair, at that time they did not know of the three brother's involvement. we'll have to check the chronology, i'm not sure they identified one of the brothers by that point. but this is interesting. early on, they had told us that the first brother they identified via fingerprints from his body had also been known to police going back to 2010. we talked about this last night, known to have been radicalized, not known to be a terrorist. in effect you would have had two misses. it's a difficult job. you have thousands to keep track of. if you picked up everyone -- >> 5,000 in last count. >> you can't pick them in an
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open society because many haven't done anything wrong. in this case it was after the fact and he was let go. but it's not clear they knew who he was at that time. >> and it's not clear why they stopped him or asked him about. he was detained and questioned, unclear from the information and sourcing we have as to what that was about. was that about a speeding ticket. we just simply do not know. >> before 9/11, you'll remember one of the 9/11 attackers had been stopped for i believe a speeding ticket by police at that time. and you have these cases, right and in fact, in these investigations, it's often likely that they will have been touched by police at some point. come across their radar in some way in this case though, hours after the attack, that's particularly stunning detail. >> it is a stunning detail and our breaking news at this hour. along with this, france striking back against isis. we want to show you new video we
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have just in to cnn. this is french jet fighters taking off as they head towards raqqa. they took off from the united arab emirates and destroyed all targets they were going for. it's unclear what the terms may mean. raqqa has been bombarded by coalition air strikes for a long time now. those are the terms they are sharing with us tonight. it is two days after the terrific coordinated attacks across paris in which 129 innocent civilians were slaugt ired and 352 others wounded. many still fighting for their lives in the most serious condition tonight here in paris. i want to get to our senior international correspondent nick paton walsh in erbil and major general james marx.
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viscerally, to use the word nick paton walsh has used on this program, what's next, is that all this will be when francois hollande said france is at war or is this first step? >> this is clearly the first step but political step that needs to be done. clearly it is a military activity but it sends a strong political message, all for internal -- this is very visceral, the types of targets they strike right now really are symbolic from the french perspective, something has to be done. as jim reported earlier, the united states is providing raw data so the french -- what that really means, they can do their own analysis, they have really good imagery and they can upload their precision missions and go after targets they want to hit
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because it's raw data. that's a key point. this is a significant first step but not sufficient. clearly not sufficient. >> nick paton walsh, what can you tell us about the targets? >> reporter: there is some degree of cohesion from what we're hearing from raqqa, well known anti-isis activist group inside raqqa, talking about the clinical hospital, stadium and political building being hit. those names just people at home are not concerned, do not necessarily correlate between what the buildings still do now. the french defense ministry statement, ammunition storage base being hit could well corroborate those particular buildings. they often take over places and use them for entirely different tasks than they used to have before. they are also talking about 30 strikes isis is suggesting something similar has occurred. this has been extraordinarily
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bad evening in raqqa in terms of bombardment. and of course, we're also hearing from isis sources that they claim no one is in fact being hit because the places they hit have been vacated for some period of time. we'll never know if that's really the case. the key question of course you have to ask, there is a visceral reaction from france. they need to be seen to be doing something. hollande has stood in front of his nation after this unbelievably atrocious act in paris, multiple acts and said we are at war with isis. there needs to be a military response. this does satisfy some sense of vengeance from the french public. we don't know what's been hit or what comes next and don't sadly know quite what the full impact on the ground has been. isis well known to mingle civilians in their military objectives and of course the targeting is a precise and complicated task. the notion of summoning ten
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targets from now, the french dropped 20 bombs tonight. the notion of summoning those targets overnight when there have been u.s. airplanes for a protected period of time and there are targets available at the moment's notice, that in itself requires some examination but i think for the french public here who are looking to fran choice hollande for some sort of immediate intense military response, that's answered here. we don't quite know what's been hit and how militarily effective that has been and quite know whether this heralds a longer term french bombardment or some sort of ground element here too because the air campaign has been in effect for a lengthy period of time and hasn't really altered the territory isis control. sinjar and northern iraq, a symbolic town for isis to hold was only retain with peshmerga
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were able to pour in from various sides with coalition air support but it was the ground presence that took the town back from isis. the question going forward, if you're going to deprive them of the territory, they need to plan this attack and later turns out it was planned from isis held territory, you need ground forces. air campaigns do feel potentially good for those in paris who are understandably suffering loss, wanting to see isis suffer. we don't know if that's been actually the desired effect on the ground -- don't know whether this yields a broader strategy to move them on. er erin? >> all right, thank you. i want to go one time back to you on the questions nick just raised. civilians and isis operatives, isis hiding amongst civilians doing this on purpose.
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the other point nick raised is a bigger ground war coming next? that's the crucial question. if the west, if france is not willing to kill a lot of civilians in raqqa, to kill a lot of members of isis, then it would seem there is one other alternative if you don't do air strikes and that is a much more significant ground war, ground troops and casualties to be sustained by france and united states and other coalition partners. is a ground war of a larger scale something that you think is about to happen? >> that's the question that needs to be answered right now. you heard earlier indicate that u.s. ground presence is not on the table. i understand that. that's the strategy that's been put forward that our strategy we lies exclusively on this air campaign, which frankly has been rather anemic. it hit what it supposed to hit but not as smothering as it could be. if you're going to -- and always
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will, western powers will always hold themselves to a collateral damage standard, we won't go after targets when we know civilian casualties will be sustained. we don't go down that path. if you're going to eradicate this time of cancer, as you've called it earlier and all referred to it as a cancer, you have to be able to get into very precisely and you've got to cut it out. and this fight is getting closer and closer to the homeland. isis has indicated -- and it's just radical form of islam, has indicated an ability to expand. we've seen it in north africa, seen it on the streets of paris twice over the course of the last ten months. where will it hit next? and those of us in the counsel counterterrorism business, the only things that keeps us from seeing attack on shores is the
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incredible vigilance of our intelligence and the ability to share intelligence. ground forces not just nato power and local powers but not even too soon to start talking to russia about some kind of con fluent venture that allows us to paint isis and radical islam as a common threat to us both. we haven't done that since world war ii. we've got to be able to move forward very aggressively. >> all right thank you very much, general. a big question coming as the white house saying isis of course has the desire but they don't think the capability of striking in the united states. a statement that being found very troubling today. we'll take a brief break. our live coverage from paris continues in a moment. it's more than a network. it's how you stay connected. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner,
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coverage here in paris. just want to update you on breaking news that we have, a source telling us, cnn, that one of the suspect right now that is on the loose, there's an international arrest warrant out for actually had been stopped by french authorities and questioned a few hours after the attacks as he was driving towards the belgium border. stopped and questioned and released. now of course an international manhunt and arrest warrant out for him. salah abdeslam. we don't know what the stop was about, whether it was routine traffic incident or questioning the attacks. but we do know he was stopped and wanted in an international correspondent. let's go to clarissa ward, involved in a stampede at the site of the restaurant attacks. more than a dozen were killed there on friday. clarissa, as we see people try to go about their daily lives. we saw this across the city,
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there is still a real palpable sense of fear and you experienced that firsthand. >> that's right, erin. we spent the day talking to parisians and there was a real sense of defiance, they wanted to come out and show that they refused -- they weren't any longer fearful and they are going to continue with their daily life, go to cafes and concerts and that spirit of defiance was punctured by a moment of panic here and where you are at the place de la republique. people were running for their lives and women gripping children and pushing strollers and crying and shrieking and police fanned out flooded the streets heavily armed. waiving weapons around. it was very clear the police are very much on edge and nervous. they don't know exactly where
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the enemy is. they kept telling all of the people to get off the streets and get inside. but it was clear they didn't know what the source of the panic was. and we know now it really was just a moment of panic. there wasn't necessarily something specific that precipitated it. what it really illustrated. as much as people want to go about their daily life and send a message to the terrorist who perpetrated these attacks, they are not afraid. the reality is that they are very afraid and this is unprecedented territory not just for parisians and french people but for europeans in general who have a real sense this is a real problem across the continent. they are unsure of how to get back to their normal lives. >> clarissa, thank you. i want to turn to cnn intelligence and security analyst, former cia operative. one of those directly involved, that they now have an
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international arrest warrant out for, he is on the loose, was actually stopped by french police a few hours after the attacks, stopped in a car on his way towards the belgium border. they let him go. he's now an international fugitive. what do you think when you hear that? we don't know the nature of why they stopped and questioned him, that's important to emphasize. the fact is they did and let him go. >> well, this happens at the first hours in first days after an attack like this. they are not quite sure who was involved, what the support network was. and as people move across the border they will question them but they had no reason to hold him. i think what's alarming is that there's a base for these people in belgium. it's clear at this point they can easily cross the french border, probably with weapons, maybe explosives and move back and forth. that's why the french closed down the borders but the question is, the real problem
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for the french -- it doesn't make sense before the attack but after it certainly does. >> bob, the national security adviser, president obama's national security adviser ben rhodes said this, isis has ambitious for u.s. attack but likely lacks the capability. what do you say to that? >> it's disingenuous, i talked to a lot of security officials in the cia and police andest of it, they are truly worried at this point there's going to be a hit in the united states. i've been told flat out by security officials in washington that they are here, that there are teams here. they've said this over and over again the last couple of months, before paris. i have no reason to disbelieve them and clearly if refugees are being used it's easy to get across any american borders and even easy to fly into this country if you have a visa.
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there's no way we can check their documentation and you can't detain people on a mere suspicion. now it's clear that the islamic state is on an offensive and we're at the top of the list and the chances of us getting hit is pretty good. we have to face those facts and for the white house to say, that we're completely protected is not helpful. >> it also seems like what you're saying the inevitability continues, as you have and cnn has been reporting and we've seen with these attackers, isis members who are actively trying to hide amongst syrian refugees and one succeeded in doing so, that completely changes the game. now you don't need to necessarily just be a european who went to syria and comes back with your european passport. you could go anywhere and come back as a refugee. >> absolutely.
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you can go too tijuana and say i'm a refugee, yazidi from syria and let me in. the orders is to let these people in and process them in the system. that doesn't mean they are turned over to the fbi or watched or anything else. we have our hands tied behind our back with current refugee laws. i dearly love syria as a country and syrians. i worked there for many years but isis is going to use weaknesses in our system to get to us. and it's a fact that we have to deal with. >> bob, you have talked about this particular issue though, the southern border of the united states where you are seeing refugees coming through and coming through legally, right, trying to get political asylum and almost every case that is exactly the truth of what they are trying to do. it may not be the truth in every single case and you're saying they actually have to -- the
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border agents take what they say at face value? >> that's the orders. that's the u.s. law that they have to take it at face value. they have to accept their statements. people coming across the border, there's no way to check the documentation to see if it's genuine or even the documentation matches the actual name of the person. i'm hering this directly. this isn't -- i'm not picking this up on the net. this is what people are telling me and they are extremely frustrated and frustrated with our laws and it worries people and worries the fbi. everybody who has popped up on the internet is being watched at this point. but it's the people that are on the dark web that can get -- know the communications, security that are the problem that can get into this country or simply sent here without having any communications back to syria or raqqa. i think it's -- we are very much involved in this war in the middle east and if we get involved in bombing like the
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french are raqqa, you know, the chances of us getting hit is going up. >> bob baer, thank you very much. our breaking news from paris continues. we'll be right back after the break on the other side. whatever you're doing, plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year. always have a plan. plan well. enjoy life. go long. withof my moderate to severe
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♪ president obama is in turkey today for the g-20 summit. the meetings between world leaders taking on a sense of urgency following the terror attacks in paris. ire strikes on isis positions also adding to the pressure. jim acosta is at the g-20 site in turkey. jim, what can you tell us about the new information we're learning about the intelligence sharing, crucial and many senses unprecedented intelligence sharing between the united states and france? >> reporter: that's right. that's right, i'm told by a senior administration official in the last several minutes, that the u.s. was assisting with those french air strikes.
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we don't know the totality of what that assistance was. president obama will be holding a news conference tomorrow here at the g-20 summit and perhaps we'll hear more then. when the deputy national security adviser was on with jake tapper earlier today, he did say that france as a two star general involved in military coordination between u.s. and coalition partners going after isis. it stands to reason that the french when they decided to go ahead and conduct these air strikes had a pretty vast wealth of knowledge and intelligence to tap into once the occasion presented itself. this is something that -- this is a sneak preview of coming attractio attractions, sleeping giant was really sort of awoken up by what happened with these paris attacks. you could see it on the president's face and words when he said the skies have darkened because of what happened in paris and the u.s. is going to
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redouble its efforts. you get the sense from talking to officials with all of the countries here, all of the major countries at the g-20, that this is really kind of a war council we're saying taking place, much more than an economic conference. >> jim acosta, thank you very much. in turkey with president obama tonight. we'll be right back. ok, we're here. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new jetta and other select volkswagen models. when i went on to ancestry, i just put in the name yes, we are twins. of my parents and my grandparents.
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say was a training camp in raqqa. we'll show you video of the jet fighters taking off. it has now formally ended and at this hour police questioned and released a 26-year-old man, the man you see on your screen salah abd abdeslam. he was stopped and questioned and released and now of course there's an international arrest warrant out for him. his brothers have been linked to the paris attacks, one arrested and one killed in the attacks. we're also learning more about how these men got into france. european officials telling cnn that one of the men posed as a syrian refugee and passed into the greek island of leros on october 3rd from the records we looked at today. efgs carrying a fake or doctored syrian passport to do that.
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he strapped on an explosive vest on friday and detonated himself at a soccer stadium. i want more information on that suspect right now, our senior international correspondent arwa damon is in leros, greece. and arwa, what do you know about the suspect and how he went through the immigration process in greece? >> reporter: well, erin, it's pretty standard whenever refugees arrive at these various different entry points, these islands that dot the area between greece and turkey, once an individual arrives here, whether they have syrian documentation or not, they are processed. so even if this individual's passport was doctored he still would have gone -- what they do have for people who don't carry documentation is usually an individual, a syrian who can ask
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them questions and ascertain as best they can whether or not their story holds up. the individuals who do come through here are fingerprinted but if the prints are not in the shared data base, they are not going to raise red flags. from here on out they are given a piece of paper this is their reregistration and allows them to stay in greece for six months. when it comes to this particular individual, we know from serbian authorities that he was then registered in serbia as well, about four days after he arrived here on october 7th. that is very much the usual path that most people crossing through here would have taken. this is of course what some intelligence officials are saying is very disconcerting because some of these potential isis sympathizers and members of isis, our extremist groups going to be exploiting this refugee route, there isn't necessarily any trace of them and any
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pre-exist gs database. there are no red flags to be raised this early on in the process. then in speaking to some of the refugees here, they are understandably expressing their great sorrow, horror of what happened in paris, saying it's violence that drove them from their homes. they are very worried about the potential blowback this is going to have on them. at the end of the day, if the paris attacks do cause an alienation when it comes to europe's attitude towards the refugees when it comes to perhaps a greater rift growing as refugees try to resettle themselves in various nations, that could potentially play straight into isis' hands. it's a very, very delicate situation, erin. >> arwa damon, thank you very much. live in leros, greece, which has become an important part of this
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♪ a major french bombardment of isis targets in raqqa, syria, tonight we understand the air strike has just ended and strikes coming after the united states shared key intelligence on isis with france, including the raw data, something usually only shared with countries including canada, u.k., australia and new zealand. joining me now to discuss how the allies may work together, the former u.s. ambassador to nato. and this is going to be a big part of the question, does france invoke what no one has done other than the united states after 9/11, in invoking an article to cause nato to go into war here? >> that is a question. i don't believe france will but
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we don't know yet. this is a very big deal to them and could change their calculations. i think france is clearly determined to lead a military effort against isis and would like support certainly from the united states as we saw with intelligence sharing and probably other european countries. i think they will be careful however about the image of bringing nato in and risking that that is then used by the islamic state to elevate this into a war between christian europe and muslim middle east, turning it into something bigger and helping isis recruit to the cause. i think they are going to be trying to calculate in their own minds the political cost and benefits of doing so. >> an interesting point that hasn't been made yet. i'm curious as to what you think about what president hollande meant when he said this was war. then how does he fight that war? does that mean france does more and more of this alone? >> well, as united states did after 9/11, we welcomed nato's invoking article 5, but in fact,
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the united states led a coalition of the willing to go into afghanistan, with just a handful of countries. we only brought nato in two years later in 2003 to pick up the mission and conduct a peacekeeping set of arrangement which nato will be better suited to. in the case of france, it's clear france is determined to go after isis and will do so and lead a war against them. it's just a question of with whom and how. they may be looking for participation from other arab states who of course not members of nato. i think they will certainly want support from the united states. they may be looking for others from europe but maybe they wouldn't expect all european countries to be able or willing to take part. maybe a different kind of coalition. nonetheless, it's very clear that the french are very determined to go after isis at this point. >> ambassador, what's the middle ground. you have the ground troops, large scale ground troops invasion, something that obviously europe and the united states have been loathed to do.
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no question nobody wants to do that. they would have done it a long time ago. you have air strikes going on for a long time. many thousands of them and failed to defeat isis. what is in between those two polls? >> i think what's in between is what we started to see with the u.s. and kurding going into sinjar, this is western intelligence, western supplied weapons to the kurds. the kurds providing fighters on the ground and retaking territory which is really ajas e adjacent to their own territory. this combination where there's a ground component, can't do this without a ground component and may involve some westerners on ground themselves and embedded with locals doing a key part of the fighting, that's the in between you're talking about. >> ambassador volker, thank you very much. we'll be right back from paris. ♪
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♪ we are just starting to learn a little bit more about some of the victims. slaughtered here in paris. each name a story. one of them an american college student, spending the semester studying overseas. studying in france. in a couple of hours, a vigil in honor of nohemi gonzalez will be held at california state university in long beach. that's the school she was attending as she was a student over here for that junior year abroad. our correspondent paul vercammen is there. and, paul, i know you've had a chance to speak with people who knew her, and you are finding out that she was such a vibrant and loved young woman.
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>> that is absolutely true, erin. and that's sure to come up at this vigil that they will hold. in just about an hour from now. we expect that some of her friends will speak. we know some members of her family will be in attendance, and we'll also hear from some faculty members here at cal state long beach, and one thing for sure, she was definitely loved, on this campus, and off it. a close friend of nohemi gonzalez's family says the 23-year-old was the apple of her mother's eye. >> beautiful. beautiful person. >> smart, by all accounts. >> all smart. beautiful. i mean, she was a gift, a gift of life. okay. she's -- we lost her, but her spirit, life, fun, a joy. >> reporter: president of cal state university long beach described enormous pain losing the skyrocketing design senior
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to terrorist attack. >> i and the entire campus are heartbroken to share this terrible news. >> reporter: gonzalez was spending a semester abroad at the state college of design in paris. a design lecturer her who knew gonzalez well says the el monte, california, resident, was talented and admired throughout the whole department. >> immersed in global interests, in global discourse. she had a very joyous personality. she's extremely lively, extremely energetic. >> reporter: gonzalez was part of a close-knit group that worked long, hard hours, the professor added. gonzalez and three classmates captured second place and $3,000 out of 71 entries from 22 countries in a biomimicry global design contest. a competition organizer told cnn gonzalez and colleagues displayed great creativity in polysnack, healthy fruits and nuclears in a biodegradable package that can be converted into a small planter.
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now at long beach state they mourn gonzalez, the young design whiz who cared about her world, and lost her life a half a world away, out to expand her mind, have some fun, in paris, on a friday night. and a little more of the faculty here saying she had an emphasis on package design and was studying retail in paris. a lot of sadness here, but a moment of levity. this will give you a sense of her sense of humor. understandably her name is unique and they say it was often mangled on his campus and she came up with a unique way to get people to remember her name. they tad that she would tell people the "h" is silent, i'm a bad actress so i have no emmy and that's how she got people to pronounce her name correctly. back to you now, erin. >> paul, thank you so much. and we'll be right back.
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we have shocking video in to cnn at this hour. it includes the terrifying moments when the first shots rang through the bataclan concert hall.
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[ gunshots ] that is just one moment of the panic and horror that happened friday night inside that club. moments later, this, victims clutching their wounds, clinging for life on the sidewalk outside. more people lost their lives inside that theater than at any of the other attack sites, as many as 1500 people were there for a concert by the u.s. rock band eagles of death metal. 89 of them lost their lives. ♪ >> it's a venue that actually holds around 1500 people and it was sold out.
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>> ladies and gentlemen, i hope you can tell, we are having a good time. >> the concert started for half an hour when we heard the noise like firecrackers. >> i seen two with ak-47 clock nisovs entering the concert room, and firing randomly. >> i don't think they heard the gunshots before they saw anything, stopped playing, hit the deck and went back stage as fast as they could. >> i thought it was a bad joke at first but then there was something, i don't know, it's


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