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french cities. >> throughout europe, authorities are trying to track down one terror attack suspect who remains at large this hour as well as others who may have been involved in the paris attacks. one of the cities targeted in toulou toulouse. >> meanwhile, an international manhunt is on for belgium born french national salah abdeslam. a source close to the investigation tells cnn french police questioned abdeslam a few hours after the attacks but then left him go. now, they suspect he was involved in the terror plot. >> let's bring in fred flight gwen for the latest on the antiterror raids joining us live from paris. fred, if you can start with the paris raids and what we've learned about them. >> of course they are going on throughout various parts of france. if that one in toulouse is
indeed a very important one. the french authorities are saying they are not directly linked to the terror attacks that happened here on friday. however, we do have to keep in mind at this point in time after those terror attacks the french government put in place a state of emergency here. french media believe they are indeed connected to that state of emergency which, of course, makes it easier for the authorities legally to conduct raids like that. as you said, three people were reportedly arrested in that raid in toulouse. to luis is an interesting city. the district where this took place is one that has seen young people in the past try to go to syria and join isis in syria. it's also the place which was the home of a gunman in 2012 who held up a neighborhood in toulouse. he was killed in that shootout which also involved a-47 assault rifles similar to the ways some
of the attacks here in paris were con dutductconducted. there were raids in other cities including the border between france and belgium. of course, one of the things that michael just mentioned was that one of the suspects that's been sought, salah abdeslam, he was questioned and at that point in time was on a road that leads to belgium. so this town is on the border with belgium. there was another raid in a town northeast of france. it's unclear what the results of the raids were. there were also raids in the north of france. unclear to what extent it might be related to the attacks that happened in france. of course, we do know that this massive manhunt for salah abdeslam is going nonfrance and various other countries as well. >> fred, it's important to point
out that muss hlims around the world with -- the far right, will they be enboldened by what has happened? >> certainly. that is one of the fears here. and we have to keep in mind this is a second major attack that has happened here in france. just in the past ten months. and if you look at the past couple months, michael, you have the attack that happened with "charlie hebdo." you have syria, places like afghanistan. that in and of itself has already boosted the far right, especially in countries like france to a certain extent also in germany though not as much as in france. here in france they have been gaining ground. that is certainly something that is of major concern. whether or not that's going to lead to any anti-muslim
backlash, it already has in a small way. but whether or not on the political scene that's also going to be the case is something that we're going to wait and see. certainly is a danger out there, michael. >> if you could talk about this as well. i would imagine there's a concern for anti-immigrant backlash, antirefugee backlash, a fake syrian passport was found within you one of the attackers and turns out this attacker arrived in greece with the refugees to get to europe. >> in greece on the island of laros and went through serbia. it's something if you look at local french media, if you look at the authorities, it is something they're fearing, there could be anti-refugee backlash. of course, some of the boosts, some of the gains that far right parties, not just in france but in other countries as well. recent elections in austria, look at the popularity ratings
for right wing parties in germany as well. especially in france, part of that in and of itself was due to the refugee crisis going on and there are people who fear that with this information coming out that apparently one of the attackers might have come through that refugee route via greece and then via eastern europe. that could lead to anti-refugee sentiment. of course that is something that people do believe is a concern because while france is not the country that's taking in the most refugees, that will be germany by far, there is still a considerable amount of people coming through here. if you look at the situation up in some of the refugee shelters in other parts of the country here, it is something that has caused concern in the past. with this information coming out there are people who fear that this could lead to anti-refugee backlash here in france. >> and, fred, it is just after 7:00 where you are in the morning. so quite possibly not much reaction yet. but with the air raids in raqqa,
and these targets being hit by french warplanes, is that likely something that's going to be well received in france? >> well, i think there's going to be a mixed feeling here in france. by and large people of course are going to receive this quite well and think this is -- or believe this is the right thing to do. certainly many people here have thought that there would be a very strong response after the french president said that he would pull no punches and that there would be a very strong response to these air raids. you're right. at this point in time there is not very much reaction. we're waiting for the morning papers to come out at this point in time. not many people around. certainly people were demanding a very strong response from this. some of the people we've been talking to on the streets here in paris since this has taken place has said the authorities here need to do something. nowen, on the one hand that pertains to their own security, the security services here. keeping a lid on people who
might be radicalized. of course, also some people were demanding very strong reaction, especially after the fact that isis claimed responsibility for these ating thes and the french government itself also said it believes isis is behind the attacks. and we're getting information that three of the attackers seem to have been inside syria and possibly had contact with isis there as well. michael? >> yes. >> of course, many people wondering what the implications might be of france declaring this an act. earlier we spoke with cnn military analyst about the french air strikes. >> this was a handover of a target set more than likely from the what's called the ato, the air tasking order. when france came in and said they wanted to conduct the attacks these target packages were already in folders as they're called.
i'm sure the central command handed them over to the french fighters to attack for the symbolism of france being back in the fight. there is much more to it than that. that is a strategically symbolic attack. bring in another coalition member into this fight even though france has hit targets in syria as recently as the 10th of november. but it shows an uptick potentially in more nations wanting to contribute to this fight. >> in terms of the battlefield, isis in pressure and kurds are not that far from raqqa itself. do you see this as an expansion of what happened in paris, deliberate expansion of the battlefield, if you like, which actually does tie in with their notion of a caliphate to take the fight to countries not yet muslim ruled? >> well, it was an easy thing to do, truthfully, michael. when i first heard this was the reaction by the french airport, said, okay, that is exactly one of the things they need to do. but there are several other
things that need to be happening. you know the president, our president said the other day that the fight was now contained in syria and iraq with isis. and those of us in the military understood what that meant, that mant that they have not had the freedom of movement that they did have earlier in the year. that the maneuver forces of isis have seemed to be contained a little bit and constrained from offensive maneuvernd they've gone more on the defensive. the very fact that isis is conducting operations in lebanon, in sinai, and in france now, gives an indication that they might be shifting some of their focus on external targets as well as trying to establish the caliphate within syria and iraq. >> cnn's senior international correspondent ivan watson is standing by live in brussels with the latest from there. ivan, there have been several raids carried out in belgium, particularly a suburb named m e
molebeek. help us understand the belgium connection here. >> it appears the militants behind these attacks in paris operated out of belgium and appear to have coordinate somd logistics from here as well. at least two of the attackers who were killed in the attack in paris are from brussels and, in particular, a neighborhood here called molenbeek that you just mentioned. salah abdeslamish, arrest war rasht i rant, he is born here in brussels. his brother was arrested in this neighborhood of molenbeek and a second brother of his cuzz kill was killed in the attack in paris. belgium authorities say at least two cars found in paris believed to have been used in the attack, they were also rented here in the brussels area last week.
and then another car, a driven by the person who rented those two cars, was discovered here again in brussels, in that neighborhood of molenbeek in the 24, 36 hours after the paris attacks. so again, distinct links between the terrible attacks in paris and brussels and, in particular this neighborhood of molenbeek which has previously been an area of disturbing jihadi activity, an area where a homegrown group called sharia for belgium was operating in the past, accused of recruiting militants to fight in syria and recently determined by a court here to be a terrorist organization. >> ivan watson with a view from belgium. appreciate that, ivan. thank you. the first suicide bomber who
detonated explosives at the stade de france was carrying a counterfeit passport. >> the senator added that the bomber was also carrying a document from greek authorities registering him for refugee status. european officials suspect terrorists may be blending in to crowds of migrants to enter areas targeted by their organizations. our arwa damon explains how this particular attacker made to it france. >> michael, syrian passport found on the scene that is believed to have been doctored or faked was traced back to an individual who crossed through this very island, the island of leros. one of the transit points for migrants and refugees, making that dangerous crossing from turkey to greece. and then onwards to europe. according to greek authorities this individual crossed through here on october 3rd with around 200 other individuals.
he was then also traced back to having transited through serbia on october 7th. of course, a lot of questions are being raised. a little bit about the process. one refugee and migrants arrived at these various different locations in greece they are processed. and this means that they are fingerprinted and whether or not they have identification, this registration process will take place. if they don't have any sort of identification, they are interrogated, they do have someone who asks them questions so they can veto the best of their abilities this person's identity, they are who, in fact, they claim to be. but if their fingerprints are not located in a pre-existing database there is no way to have any sort of red flag be raised at this stay i imagine in the process. this is, of course, why so many have been and continue to be so concerned about the fact that isis, isis sympathizers, other
extremists, might be exploiting and capitalizing on this refugee route to try to reach europe. refugees we have been speaking to here, michael, have been expressing their horror and their dismay at what happened in paris. they say that they do not, absolutely do not support this kind of violence. in fact, it's this kind of violence that drove the vast majority of them from their homes. there is an understandable amount of anxiety amongst them because they do realize that they have a long journey ahead of them and they do realize the blowback from this kind of violence could mean that europe will also turn against them, potentially not be as welcoming towards refugees, making the whole integration process even harder. and if that rift grows even wider than it already is, michael, that could play straight into isis' hands. >> thanks to arwa damon there from leros in greece. coming up, obama and putin.
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the g-20 summit opened on sunday in the shadow of the bloodshed in paris and terror attacks are dominating the agenda at this economic meeting of world leaders. >> they held a minute of silence to start the two-day meeting and resort city in turkey. u.s. president barack obama and russian president vladimir putin were seen talking on the sidelines in what looked like a deep and serious conversation. senior white house correspondent jim acosta is traveling with president obama and has more now from turkey. >> reporter: here at the g-20 all the talk is about isis. the white house says it agrees with the president of france that the paris attacks were an act of war and president obama vowed to rew efforts to defeat them at the g-20. but the question is just how far is obama willing to go. aides continue to say u.s. troops are not going to be part
of this solution but the white house says it will be. >> we have to do more of that. and we're going to be able to do that for instance with the special operations contingent that will be going to syria to help facilitate the operations. we are in an effort to intensify the elements of the strategy even as we continue stastantly evaluate it. >> president obama could potentially have a new partner in the battle against isis in russia's vladimir putin during an intense 35-minute meeting in front of the cameras the two president's agreed to a political process in syria where they have the bloody civil war there. the white house is calling president's chat as significant after accusing russia in the last few weeks of interfering in syria. now the obama administration is praising moscow strikes against isis and there are also new questions about the syrian
refugee crisis after french officials determined that one of the paris bombers posed as migrant fleeing the country. the obama administration says those refugees must still be vetted and welcomed. jim acosta, cnn, antalya, turkey. >> german chancellor angela merkel will speak in about an hour and a half from now. we will have it for you live when it happens. earlier we spoke with josh rogan about the meeting on the sidelines between barack obama and his russian counterpart vladimir putin. rogan is a cnn political analyst and columnist for "bloomberg view." >> reporter: in the wake of the paris attacks there is a new pressure on all sides to push forward for a political agreement that can lead to a peace process to solve the syrian civil war. there is a recognition that unless something is done to move past the violence, there will always be enough strife that will get -- that will leave an opportunity for isis to recruit,
to have a place to launch attacks, and to fill the vacuum left by the lack of a stable state. now, the day after the attacks, on saturday, secretary of state john kerry and lavrov led talks in vienna. syrian led transition process. that is exactly what presidents obama and putin were discussing today in turkey. the agreement amounts to an agreement over process. they've set up a timeline for how to move forward. it does not amount to an agreement over the end state. there is no agreement and this was made clear in vienna, on what will be the position of assad, whether or not he can have a role in that transitional government and who will set up that transitional government and the elections to follow. those are the key questions. so while some progress is being made you can be sure that large gaps still remain between the u.s. and russian positions and that is what the two leaders are trying to get at in that little
private meeting they had at the reception. >> that key unanswered question has always been, okay, assad goes. well, who then? i mean, that's always been the question. hasn't it? assad might be a bad guy but we've seen what happens when dictators are thrown out a little too early. >> exactly. it is the russian and iranian position, by the way, that assad must stay until the syrian people through elections choose a new leadership if they decide to choose a new leadership. of course, the problem with that and this is john kerry's position but also shared by allies like the saudis and the turks is that as long as assad is there, there can be no peace in syria. the war will continue. >> another big issue is how the heck do you have an election in syria? >> exactly. exactly. what the opposition says is clear. they do have an extensive plan to choose a set of opposition leaders that would then stand on the opposite side of the table from the assad regime for negotiations and then an election. the problem is that those opposition groups are not coh
cohesi cohesive. it's a big problem. the international community do not feel they have a partner to work with. there's a sequencing problem here. the russians and iranians would prefer to have the peace talks go forward first and the opposition chosen later. the opposition says if they're not at the seat -- don't have a seat at the table up front, whatever peace process gets initiated won't be sustainable and won't have the support of the fighting groups offen the ground. it's a tricky problem that remains unsolved as we head into these negotiations. >> and third of the vat, we heard ices is saying basically claiming, you know, that bagh d baghdadi ordered what happened in paris. how do you read that? we do see isis under pressure in various parts of iraq and syria on the ground. the kurds are not there far from raqqa. in fact, you've got a perhaps imminent assault on ram mahdi and we saw what happened in sinjar. do you think they're trying to
export the front lines? >> there's no doubt that isis leadership in syria and iraq is both trying to consolidate territory and trying to both export and inspire attacks abroad. it's an all of the above approach. they have moved into a phase where they are able to do more beyond the borders of their so-called caliphate but it's always been their goal to pursue both of these strategies. the u.s. and allies can increase the pressure on the isis strongholds and we're seeing evidence of that now. there's a recognition amongst all western capitals that there is no way to defeat the islamic state simply through air strike or pressure on isis strongholds in iraq and syria. it will take a more comprehensive solution and including a resolution of the syria crisis to drain the swamp, to come to an end state where isis won't be able to perpetrate this kind of violence inside the region and abroad. there's no path to get to that end state. that's what everyone is wrestling with at this moment.
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welcome back, everyone. we want to bring you some developing news that has just in. authorities in paris have new information now on one of the terrorists who participated in friday's deadly attacks in paris. he is being identified as bilal hafdi. he was a resident of belgium. >> he was killed outside the stade de france while carrying out an attack there. this is the football stadium, of course. several sources say hafdi was just 19 or perhaps 20 years old. it is thought he fought in syria. >> it is striking to see just how young he is. >> radicalized very recently apparently, too. >> exactly. >> paris is still on edge after the terror attacks. authorities, they're taking bold steps to fight back. >> just over the last few hours police carrying out a series of
antiterror raids across france including raids in toulouse, grenoble spanned kcalais. >> the attacks targeted recruiting center and training base. 12 airplanes flew the mission flying out of bases in jordan and the uae. we are also learning more about one of the men behind the deadly shooting at the bataclan theater. >> nic robertson went to the paris suburb where he lived. >> reporter: it's the movement the concert hall killers opened fire. one of them, 29-year-old i male omar mostefai identified by his fingerprints. as shocking as his attack, where he once lived, the beautiful catholic city, an hour outside paris. the town everyone in france is talking about now. but a quiet mosque in its
suburbs, they are shocked, too, to be associated with the killer. but did he come here? did he pray here? >> no. >> no, he didn't? >> no. >> so why has this mosque been linked with him? >> ask mr. -- >> the mayor? >> the mayor made this accusation? >> yes. >> go find the mayor and ask him, he tells me. so i do. did you say that mostefai attended the mosque? >> yes. >> you did? >> yes. >> yes, says the mayor. mostefai became radicalized at that mosque. there was iman who converted people but he left civil years ago. not the men you saw. we're meeting in one of the pretty cafes. yes, that's what could shock
people, he tells me. we have someone who is radicalized in a town that's practically the capital in france of kcatholicism. kids cruise by on scooters. it's comfortable, middle class even. how did mostefai get radicalized here? well, we don't know but neighbors tell us at a nearby street there was another jihadi living at the same time and that jihadi they tell us was killed in syria about a year ago. the mayor wonders if mostefai went to syria, too. we know he went through turkey, he says, around 2013, but isis has this way of doing it. they send you for training, to come back or to fight there. what frustrating the mayor is authorities failed to stop mostefai. the paris prosecutor admits he was on their radar.
>> translator: he was condemned eight times for ordinary offenses. the individual was never incarcerated. he had a file s for radicalization but not for association with a terrorist organization. >> reporter: two days after the attack now, no photograph of mostefai has emerged yet. his family, however, his three brothers, two sisters, mother and father, have been detained by the police. although they haven't been charged or arrested yet, perhaps they may have the answers that everyone is looking for. nic robertson, cnn, paris. >> the attacks of course have made an entire nation anxious as officials search for any information that can bring the people of france some peace of mind. >> for more on how france is reacting to the tragedy let's bring in miran, staff reporter for "newsweek" and joining us now from paris. appreciate your time. i know you spent some people
talking to the people, visited the site where's the horrific attacks happened, including the bataclan theater. tell us what struck you most and what the people are telling you? >> i think what struck me the most is the level of calmness in the city, a level of quietness. at the sites of the bataclan and the plaza, people are leaving flower, candles. it's not quite like paris after "charlie hebdo" where we saw the big march, people out on the streets. it's been a lot more subdued. i think from speaking to people there is also a sense of resignation. yesterday i was in the city's historic jewish quarter and a woman said to me even though she's devastated, even though she's deeply upset she thought an attack like this was on its way. others have said they're angry with french president francois hollande for intervening in syria in the first place. >> it's interesting because
reading what you have been out doing you also went to the muslim section of town. and we're saying earlier that muslim clerics and the faithful have decried this horrible act of terror in paris. but muslims must be worried about backlash. >> reporter: absolutely. i think they very much are. and i think they're tired of having to say, you know, it's not in my name and this lnt islam. when i went to the leader, the paris suburbs where a lot of muslim migrants live, there was definitely an err of tension and feeling of worry. a number of muslims says to us they feel that france has a problem with it and it's going to be compounded with what's happened on friday. >> also fears of an antiimmigrant backlash. we were talking about this with fred pleitgen and his report earlier and one of the foundings in this investigation is that there was a doctored syrian passport that was found next to the body of one of the suicide
bombers outside the football stadium. and it turns out that this suicide bomber actually took the journey the refugees took, from parts of the middle east, syria, all of the way to greece. did you talk to -- i understand you talked to some people who have recently arrived. and what are they telling you? >> reporter: yes, so we spoke to some refugees the day before yesterday. and you know, they -- they're just worried that france might consider closing its borders, they're also worried that people could turn on them and say, we can't take in any more refugees. and what was particularly interesting is a number of men from afghanistan said, you know, we've been fleeing conflict caused by the taliban and we come here and it feels like a war zone. but i also spoke to the paris consula consulate, france's right wing party led by lapin and he was
saying to me should his party get elected and predicted to do very well in the upcoming regional elections he said they will not be taking in any more refugees. he believes the borders need to be shut now and shut for good. >> do you get a sense of that on the streets? you know, this sort of emboldenedment of the far right in paris? which is has been politically climbing up in popularity. when you talk to people there, do you get that sort of sentiment from them? >> reporter: i haven't, from the people that i've spoken to. most people are staying very calm, very levelheaded. you know, they're able to make the distinction between a minority group of extremists and the wider muslim or indeed refugee population. but it must be noted that very few people want to openly admit to extreme views. it's certainly the case that they are doing very, very well in the polls and what written
lapin came out very strongly. she said islamic extremism must be crushed. that is a view that many will be sharing, radicalism needs to be stamped out in this country. >> at times like this when it is quite emotion and concern that there could be an over reaction and decisions made at these times need to be thought through. it was a great conversation. thanks for doing that. >> great to chat with you. thanks. we're going to take a short break here on the program. when we come back, french police officers surrounding a paris memorial after fears of an attack on sunday. >> we'll have those details ahead. also, first-hand accounts from football fans who witnessed the attacks outside the stadium. >> and how those events have changed them forever. stay with us.
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paris, the city on edge. you can just see it there. there's a manhunt on with one or more perpetrators still at large. and emotions as you see incredible fragile and raw. >> that was evident in this video on sunday when fireworks were enough to strike fear in parisians. chaos erupted at the place dela repu blrks lique. >> clarissa ward was on the spot. here's her report. >> reporter: people were gathering here. it was a beautiful moment. it was somber. it was quiet. there were candles. people saying prayers. paying their respects and remembering their dead. and then suddenly in a flash
there was chaos. women started screaming. the crowd just started pushing down the street, running. abject panic and horror on their faces. women clutching their children crying. another woman pushing a stroller with a baby desperately run fog what she thought was her life. somebody had said that they heard gunshots and police suddenly fanned out across the area. they were heavily armed, shouting at people to take cover and get inside. it was very clear from watching this whole thing play out that they were also incredibly nervous, that they didn't know exactly what the situation was, that they are fully experiencing the sense of panic and fear much in the same way as all parisians are. it was jump a juxtaposition as well from earlier conversations that i've had with parisian wos were telling me, you you know what, friday was a night of shock. saturday was a day of mourning. but on sunday, we felt determined today to come out, to take our lives back, to take our
culture back, to go to cafes, to enjoy a concert, to go to the theater. but very quickly you see just how fragile that spirit of defiance is because it is tinged with a really serious sense, a deeply palpable sense of fear. attackers possibly still on the loose. and there's a very real impression among people that you taught to that as much as they want to get on with their ordinary lives, people understand that life here in paris has changed and it's not clear yet when and how it will return to normal. >> just feel so bad for them when you see those images and how scared they are. some of the soccer fans who were waiting to get inside the stadium are also talking about the horror they witnessed. >> our atika shubert reports on the carnage and the bilingering fear. >> reporter: the stade de france shut the gates but grisly rem d reminders of the terror that struck here. sidewalks stained with blood,
shattered windows, deep pockmarks in the wall. the first suicide bomber struck 15 minutes to first half of the germany/france exhibition match. the second, a third detonated. investigators are looking at the sequence of erchs. according to the security guards in the area that we spoke with one of the bombers tried to enter the stadium but was stopped by security. now this is where we believe the second suicide bomber detonated. it's right in front of the entrance. now i want you to look at this as well. we've been finding these all around the site. these are bolts. as you can see this one is particularly mangled. but according to the public prosecutor, these were packed into the suicide vest to cause maximum carnage. it did not turn out the way the bombers wanted. one person who was walking by was killed. several others were injured. otherwise the only others that were killed were the bombers themselves. according to the paris prosecutor, the explosives they
used were poor quality. but enough to scatter the bloodied remains of the bombers dozens of meters away. eve lives around the corner. >> i just learned that this blood was this blood so i was feeling a little sad, now i'm feeling less sad. >> reporter: forensics teams have swept the area, there are still remnants of the attack. onlookers have come to the scene not knowing that they are walking over small pieces of the bomber's remains. others cannot forget what they saw. we saw body parts there, he tells us. i didn't want my son to see any of this. we were right in front of the stadium and we didn't think, we had no idea what was happening. kevin still has his tickets but one of the bombs went off before he and his son could make it into the stadium. he said his son cannot sleep. and kevin who came to france as
a kurdish refugee seeking safety from war say he may never take his son to another match. he tells us, when my son realized the ebbs tent of what happened he told me, don't ever bring me to a game again. so, no, i don't think we can go. the blood can be washed away but the fear that this may happen again cannot. atika shubert, cnn, paris. >> maddening having to explain that to your children. >> yes. >> meanwhile, people coming together for a special sunday mass. this is the famed notre dame cathedral. they were there to reform the fallen. >> we'll have more from paris when we return. whatever you're doing, plan well and enjoy life...
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are choosing to honor those who lost their lives. >> reporter: the bells of notre dame toll and toll and toll for the dead. the trauma of friday night's multiple attacks still all too raw. with soldiers on guard outside, a special service was held in this ancient cathedral offering up prayers for the dead and prayers for the living. in the face of blind barbarism the cardinal told the congregation there can be no crack in the foundation of our convictions. but this city in shock will take time to recover. >> for france, for people, for the world. >> reporter: they're shocked but not subdued. >> the ceremony was just too, too, to say we are here, we support the family, the sadness
of the families, and we are not scared. >> reporter: the service was attended by many from outside france, drawn by an urge to express support. >> we need to stand together and show solidarity as well, to show them that they won't win, they won't win. they're cowards and they won't win. >> reporter: and brought together by a sense that far too many around the world are living with the same nightmare. >> i have friends in lebanon. i talked with them yesterday. and they told me about the terrorist situation, bomb there two or three days ago. and i came here tonight to pray for all the people that cannot survive terrorism. ♪ >> reporter: prayers that hopefully will be heard. ben wedeman. >> we want to thank you for watching "cnn newsroom."
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♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani. we continue our breaking news coverage of the paris attacks at home and abroad. france is taking action after those terrorist attacks on friday that killed 129 people. from bases in jordan and the uae 2 french warplanes attacked the isis stronghold of raqqa in syria. the targets, the ministry of defense says, are a command center, a training base, and a recruiting office. now, the air strikes took place on sunday. the french defense ministry says the planes destroyed all of their targets. meanwhile, across this country
police carried out a series of anti-terror raids in grenoble and toulouse and calais as well. across europe, because this has become a pan-european story as well, authorities are looking for at least one suspect who remains at large, they believe, after the attacks. and we are getting this hour more information about one of the terrorists identified. bilal hafdi, you see him here, he was a resident of belgium. he was killed outside the stade de france while carrying out his attack. you'll remember that there were three suicide bombers outside the stade de france. sources say hafdi was really young. i mean-u see his picture there. 19, 20 years old perhaps. he is thought to have been radicalized very quickly, thought to have fought in syria as well. radicalized quickly because only a few years ago it appears to some reports that he was just a regular young man, a fan of
football club real madrid, et cetera, et cetera, and that he turned eventually into a very radical, violent jihadist. senior international correspondent fred pleitgen is live in paris with more on the investigation. tell us more about what we know with regards to those bombers who have been identified, fred. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. and as you said, his name is bilal hafdi. and the information we're getting, hala-s that he apparently traveled to syria in the early stages of 2015 and fought for isis. it's not clear when he came back to belgium. however, authorities believe he was radicalized quite quickly. the photo image we obtained of him comes from a video that apparently show him calling for attacks against the west. and as you said he appears to be
one of the suicide bombers outside the stade de france who has now been identified. this of course comes as more and more of the alleged attackers are being identified by authoriti authorities. and then of course we have that manhunt that is still under way in france and belgium and other countries for salei abdasalam. the interesting thing is authorities apparently had him in custody and questioned him and allowed him to go shortly after the attack in paris. during that time they apparently took him in while he was on a road that was leading toward the belgian border. so it's going to be interesting to see what the authorities come up with, how that manhunt plays out. but we're learning more and more about the attackers, specifically one of the suicide bombers, bilal hafdi there, someone who was certainly, the authorities believe, inside syria as late as this year, hala. >> and do they believe that the
suspect who some reports suggest was in french custody, was let go, do they believe that that individual was part of the attack team? is that the belief right now? >> reporter: that's a very good question. at this point it appears to be unclear whether he was participating in the attacks. however, one of the things that could indicate that is of course yesterday they found one of the cars that was apparently used in the attacks, a black seat leon outside of paris, and that car was abandoned there. if he were the only one from the plot still around it would lead one to believe that perhaps he was indeed part of the attack and then managed to get away. but at this point in time it is still unclear. the other thing of course that authorities are looking at is that he appears to be one of three brothers who authorities believe were part of the attack. one of them has already been apprehended by police in belgium.
another was killed in the attack. so at this point in time it's not clear what his participation was, but he's certainly very much a person of interest as this europe-wide manhunt shows that was initiated by the belgians. >> all right, fred pleitgen at place de republique in paris. we are here on the champs elysees as we begin a week in paris a couple of days after these terrible attacks on friday. and i believe fred is still with us. fred, before i get back to you i want to show our viewers a little bit what the newspapers are headlining this morning. and as you can imagine, it is all about those attacks of friday night, friday the 13th. this one showing the -- one of the attack sites, one of the restaurants that was shot up by the terrorists. terror in paris, friday the 13th, 9:20 p.m. this is "le monde" newspaper here. it is a daily. let me show you "le figaro" as well because it's going for another angle. the figaro newspaper.
[ speaking french ] is how it's worded in french. meaning hollande, the french president-s having to face the challenge of how to reply to these attacks. there are many ways to go. some analysts are saying it needs to be a military response. others are saying no, it needs to take care of problems at home first, perhaps increased surveillance, not go too far. there are so many different ways of looking at how to respond to these challenges. this is a business newspaper, "les eco" but despite that their big headlines are about the attacks on friday. "in the war." there is a french flag there flying lowered in honor of the victims. france declared three days of mourning, by the way, starting on saturday. so today would be the third day of national mourning. is fred pleitgen still with us? fred, let me ask you a little
bit more about the belgium connection here. because it's not just happening in france. the investigation has fully spread there with individuals who are suspected of having plotted and carried out the attacks and having planned them in belgium. tell us more about that. >> yeah, certainly, hala. belgium is very much one of the main focus points of the investigation at this point in time. of course we learn over the weekend on saturday that there were raids that were carried out in belgium. three raids in total. at least seven people in custody after those raids in the mollenbeck district of brussels. authorities coming out with information that at least two of the attackers apparently were residents of belgium, french nationals living in belgium. then of course you also have the connection to one of the vehicles that was apparently used in the attacks on friday. a black vw polo that was also rented by a french national in brussels, then driven over here
to paris, and then later found at the scene of the bataclan attack that of course killed so many people. you have one of the apparent attackers who came back from paris who was apprehended by the authorities as he was going back to belgium, who is now in custody, apparently the man who rented that black vw polo. so certainly it appears as though there is a very clear link to belgium, that the belgian authorities are also tacking about. also we have to keep in mind that sala abdeslam was born in belgium even though he is a french national. so it seems that area around brussels, the molenbeek area, which for a long time has been known to be an area of radicalism in belgium, was something also quite prominent in the "charlie hebdo" attacks when there was raids going on around brussels in dervee but also molenbeek as well.
and the authorities back then were telling us they have a big problem with radicals from there, some people attempting to go to syria, some people who had actually gone to syria and fought there. and the other big problem you have in belgium as well is that for quite a long time you have had quite a proliferation there on the black market of assault rifles like the ak-47, which apparently in belgium are a lot easier to get than in many other european countries as well. many of those weapons dating back to the balkans wars, when large parts of europe were all of a sudden i wouldn't say flooded but certainly had a larger influx of these ak-47s and similar style soviet-era weapons coming into europe, then being distributed around the black market. and belgium is certainly one of those places where these guns were quite readily available. >> and fred -- yeah. and fred, quickly let's mention raqqa as well because france announced a massive bombing campaign now. by my count it was two sorties, 20 bombs. calling it massive perhaps a little bit more for optics than in terms of what it will really
achieve here. but here you have raqqa, which is the self-declared capital in syria of isis. what kind of impact could this type of bombing possibly have on operations that are happening half a world away in europe? >> well, certainly the bombings in raqqa, many of the analysts we're speaking to, much of the commentary also in the media is saying this seems to be more of a reaction to the attacks that happened here in paris, more of a statement than something that could possibly alter the way that the fight against isis is in fact going. the most recent information that we've been getting out of raqqa from various sources was that several places were struck. the french were talking about command and control centers. isis is saying there were no casualties. there are other groups saying there were no casualties as well. isis is saying that the places that were hit were actually abandoned. it's unclear whether or not that's true.
however, of course, isis has been taking some hits. not just on the various front lines. in, for instance, northeastern syria, in western syria as well with the syrian government forces making some advances, but also in iraq and then you had in raqqa the raid on jihadi john. so the international community has been stepping up its efforts against isis. not clear how much of a difference this will make, but it's certainly something, these attacks here in paris, that will further embolden the international community to further crack down on isis. >> fred pleitgen, place de republique in paris. france remains in a state of emergency and this gives the government, the state authorities in this country a lot more power, more surveillance power, more detention power, powers if possible, suspects. but while this is all going on, authorities in neighboring belgium are hunting for a man with a suspect link to the attacks. they've issued an international
warrant for salah and abdesalam. french police questioned him a few hours after the attacks and released him. we touched on that with our fred pleitgen but our cnn international correspondent ivan watson is in brussels with more on this angle of the story. tell us a little more about this suspect. the fact french authorities had him in custody, released him. what happened there? clearly there was some sort of failure in gathering enough information to keep him in custody. >> that's right. well, apparently, hala, the french authorities did not have salah abdeslam on any watch list to speak of but in the aftermath of the attacks the belgian prosecutor's office tells cnn that they are focusing a lot of their investigations on salah ab dechltslam and two of his
brothers. all basically natives of brussels, the capital of the european union. one of the brothers was killed. he was an apparent suicide bomber in the attacks in paris friday night. another brother was arrested here in brussels. and he is one of at least seven people who have been detained here by the belgian authorities in the last 36, 48 hours since the attacks. the belgian authorities also say that at least two cars that were believed to have been used in the paris attacks were actually rented here in brussels last week and that the individual believed to have rented those vehicles was intercepted at some point en route from paris apparently back to belgium and then the car that that individual was traveling in was subsequently found here in brussels, in the neighborhood of molenbeek. now, that is a name, that is a
neighborhood that has come up more than once in this investigation. and in fact the belgian interior minister asked out loud, why is it that this neighborhood, molenbeek in brussels, more than once has been involved in international terrorism investigations? it does appear that some of the militants who carried out this attack in paris had previously lived in this neighborhood of molenbeek, an area with a large immigrant population, a large muslim population, that has also been to some degree a hotbed for islamic radicalism and has been involved -- residents of that neighborhood have been implicated in other violent acts of terrorism such as an attack on the jewish museum here in brussels in 2014. hala? >> all right. the belgian connection. thanks very much, ivan watson. as we continue to follow the
investigation. by the way, parisian police are getting help from the fbi as they try to trace how these isis terrorists managed to carry out the massacre that killed at least 129 people on friday night's attacks. cnn justice correspondent pamela brown has more on what intelligence officials believe may have been used by the terrorists to stay under everyone's radar. >> reporter: well, this is an investigation led by the french. but the fbi is playing a support role and has already sent several agents to paris to assist with this investigation through forensic expertise, analytical expertise, as well as investigative expertise, because this is a big investigation with a lot of moving parts, and as one official i spoke with said, it could be weeks until we have a clear picture. one of the big concerns among officials is that these paris attackers could, and i emphasize could have been using encryption. in fact, one official i spoke to said he would have been surprised if they weren't using
encryption since it's so common among terrorists now. so that is also another piece of this puzzle. and officials are also looking into whether perhaps they could have used gaming such as playstation or xbox to communicate with isis in syria. that is something that officials are growing increasingly concerned about, that type of communication method. in fact, the fbi has a unit, a communication exploitation unit, that looks at that and looks to see how terrorists exploit different methods of communicating such as through playstation and xbox. in the u.s. the fbi has run names they've been given from paris as to who the potential attackers could be. so far we're told that there are no indications that these are people we had opened cases on in the u.s. so these are not people that were known to u.s. officials. however, it is still very early in the investigation. they don't have certainty as to who every attacker was, their
identity and the location of every attacker. so still very early on, officials caution. the big worry now is copycat attacks in the u.s. and that is why they're going back, looking at all their cases. they have 900-something terrorism cases in the u.s. looking at the highest priority concerns, increasing monitoring of them. surveillance, wiretapping, to ensure we don't see something similar in the united states. pamela brown, cnn, washington. and a french lawmaker tells cnn that the first suicide bomber at the soccer stadium entered the country by hiding in plain sight. we will explain that next. plus, some of the backlash from the paris attacks could fall squarely on the innocent muslim community. we'll talk to one young activist here in the city. stay with us. the future belongs to the fast.
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129 in paris on friday. 12 planes took off from bases in the uae and jordan. they attacked the city of raqqa in northern syria, which is the self-proclaimed capital of daesh, the islamic state, as they call themselves. the fighter planes dropped 20 bombs. the french defense ministry says all of the targets were destroyed. meanwhile, in france police are conducting some anti-terror raids in multiple cities across the country. now, whether or not this will actually yield results directly connected to the friday attacks is another question. but they're working overtime. calais in the north, grenoble, toulouse in the south as well. unclear what has emerged from those particular operations. now, we know more about some of these suicide bombers who detonated explosives at the stade de france. the first of them, we understand, was carrying a counterfeit passport, some sort
of syrian passport. from a french senator who was briefed by the interior ministry. the senator added that the bomber was also carrying a document registering him for refugee status. the attacker was processed by greek authorities with a group of around 200 migrants inleros, greece on october 3rd. now, european officials expect other terrorists may be blending into large groups of migrants along the route you see here and using the crisis to enter and attack areas targeted by their organizations. now, some fear that the attacks may increase the existing tension between migrants, refugees, and the communities that they hope to join. well, here's a case in point. in canada, unrelated or related? we don't know yet. but what we do know is there was a fire at a mosque in canada and that it has been ruled arson. police in peterborough, ontario
tell cnn they're investigating saturday's fire as a hate crime. in the southern united states the council on american-islamic relations of florida said at least two mosques there have been the targets of terror threats. staying in the southern u.s., the alabama governor, robert bentley, said sunday that he would refuse any syrian refugees hoping to settle in his state, saying he would not stand for a policy that "places the citizens of alabama in harm's way." now, it has to be noted, no syrian refugee has relocated to alabama to date. though some neighboring states have accepted a few. back to france now. this is a country with a huge muslim population. the biggest in europe, in fact. 4 million. many of them are now concerned that their community could face discrimination or backlash after the attacks in paris.
layla alouf is a huffington post contributor. she's also an activist here in the country. she's also the age group of young people who go to concerts like the one in the bataclan. layla, thanks for being with us. let me first ask you about your generation. the generation bataclan, i think one newspaper headlined. and your reaction to what happened on friday night as a young french woman. >> first of all, i would like to extend my deepest condolences to all the families of the victims. as a young citizen, french citizen, it was very shocking because for the first time it was targeting the youth in general and not only the local journalists or "charlie hebdo." so it is very different because anyone can see himself or herself in this attacks and in these victims. so it's very shocking in this way. and when you see like the majority of the victims, in fact, they are all very young.
i think it was between 25 and 30 years. so it's very young. >> it was a rock concert. and you had all sorts -- and this is something that's important to underline as well. all sorts of origins. >> yeah. >> all sorts of religions. some from north africa. others from -- >> even more, you know. i was reading yesterday that all the members of muslim organizations had been killed during the concert. so it's very hard for all the populations. and even sew we can also read the names, only the names of the victims. there is a big diversity and there is lots of muslim and people from everywhere. so -- >> so let me ask you. because still all that being said, and all that is true, there is still a problem in the muslim community in europe, in france, belgium, for instance, of a tiny minority who becomes extremely radicalized and who is
vulnerable to these brainwashing messages coming from groups like isis. why is that? what's going on? >> for me we have to see the problem from the government side. the real problem is how seven attacks can happen in the center of paris without the knowledge of the intelligency services. this is a real question. >> it is a real question. but at the source of it is also the desire on the part of some in this community to attack their own country. >> yes. >> go abroad, learn how to fight, and attack. in the case of these particular terrorist assaults. what is going on there? why is there a vulnerability in a small section of the male muslim population? >> well, i think there is a lot of reasons because there is a lot of profiles. when you see the person who was responsible of the attacks, you have converted people, you have people from north africa, from this origins. you have people who have been --
who had also problems with the police. so i think we cannot generalize. but the sources of the problem is from what's happening now in syria, in the middle east. concerning those young people, i think we are living in a society of consumerism. so what those young people search is what every young people search. and i think there is a real problem about what we have to -- what they are searching in this life. and it's not a problem that only young muslim people have. it's a problem that this society in itself, you know, confronts. >> leila alaouf, thank you very much. thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts here. as france continues mourning and continues trying to digest what happened on friday night. we will discuss the fight against this extremism. in fact, with a former violent
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welcome back. the french prime minister manuel valls says the attacks in paris were planned in syria. he was on the radio this morning. in fact, i believe the interview is still ongoing. and he said the attacks were "organized, conceived, and planned from syria." now, french warplanes earlier dealt a forceful response to friday's attacks in paris. early sunday we understand several planes took off from bases in the gulf and in jordan and bombed the isis stronghold of raqqa. you're seeing video there from the french defense ministry.
this is something they want to publicize. they're using very strong language like massive bombardment campaign, et cetera. meanwhile, back in france police carried out several anti-terrorist raids across the country. authorities have released new details about one of the atta attackers who was killed while carrying out his bombing. his name is bilal hafdi, a belgian resident. you see his picture there. that's a screen grab from a video. you can see also sadly how young he looks. authorities believe 19 years old, perhaps 20 years old. and authorities said that he spent some time fighting in syria at the beginning of this year. our senior international correspondent jim bittermann joins me now live from paris with the very latest. jim, you've been listening to the french prime minister's interview on rtl. what is he saying about france's response to all of these attacks? >> and he said the response is going to continue. on the attacks, he said they're going to continue for the near future. he's going to be in front of both houses of parliament this
afternoon at versailles and they're going to ask, president hollande's going to ask for an extension of the state of emergency for three months. so they're planning ahead to sort of keep the lid on here as much as they can for the next three months. what was interesting this morning was valls said we're confronting a terrorist army. he said we have to remain united. and he said a lot of the platitudes we've heard before from the government. but then in a very interesting exchange one of the callers, it was a call-in show, and one of the callers said look, i'm a schoolteacher and i'm just found out that several of my students are on the intelligence service's watch list. so what am i supposed to do in the classroom? and valls said, well, you know, we have to teach republican values. that raised the whole question about security of schools. and another parent called in, said what about the security in schools? and it was a rather dynamic exchange. >> and really what it says to me just listening to this story is that overall people are afraid.
school teachers, parents, ordinary people. there was panic at place de la republique yesterday because i think someone set off fireworks, which is probably the worst idea that anybody had in the last -- in a long time in paris, and people started running. so there's defiance, but also you feel a lot of fear still in people. >> i think one of the things, it's interesting to me because i've had reaction from a number of young people including my daughter and other people that know france very well. that attack at the bataclan was something that a lot of young people particularly identified with because of rock concerts they've been to here, that sort of thing. and it really touched a nerve with young people especially. and i think that that's something where they're going to have to do a lot of work here in terms of education and other things. >> what's different also about these attacks, the targets were not obviously targets that you would expect isis terrorists to go after. these are really soft targets, way of life, parisian culture
targets, cafes, restaurants, concerts. is that a game changer, do you think? >> i think absolutely. it's a game changer as far as people are concerned. because i think the idea that you can be safe in public has kind of gone away now. i know we saw that last night with the panic in the place de republique and other places last night when fireworks set off a panic. but yeah, i think that is a game changer as far as the french are concerned. and they're just looking at the shams loo champs elysees there are very few people out. there have been a number of cancellations. i've heard about meetings that have been canceled, concerts that have been canceled. people have canceled trips. hotels are reporting cancellations coming in. >> but importantly cop 21, the big climate conference, is still on. that's in two weeks. >> but what a nightmare for security forces. >> i was going to say just before we leave it, jim, the
front pages, "le monde," i don't know if you can see that, "terror in paris." and there you have source of forensic technicians combing the scene. this one i found interesting. this is the right-leaning figaro and essentially it translates to "hollande faced with the challenge of how to respond." because this is not an easy -- this is not an easy decision for him. >> there's already krcriticism the air strikes saying does it mean anything? there were some tweets coming out of the middle east that they hit targets that were empty and things like that. but that's not what the defense ministry says. but in any case, there's some questioning about whether this was just some kind of a knee-jerk response that was meant to please public opinion or whether it was really me meaningf meaningful. >> i found it interesting the terminology they used. [ speaking french ] mass bombing campaign. that was the word chosen by the
defense minister. >> and it was only in fact 20 bombs. >> and two sorties, i believe. >> yeah. >> jim bittermann, we will be speaking with you all morning as we continue our special coverage. thanks very much. joining us now is former radical islamist adam dean. he's a senior researcher at the clillion foundation. that is a counterextremism organization based in london. your perspective is invaluable this morning, adam, because we have been discussing and asking the question of many of our guests, how does a young man, we saw the picture of one of these young guys, 19, 20 years old, seem like a normal guy, about two years ago he liked real madrid, you know, he hung out with friends, and then two years later here he is blowing himself up outside a soccer scum. how does that happen? >> well, in an eerie way i can totally understand how that happens. what we have to understand is that isis has an ideology.
francois hollande said that we're at war. and he's absolutely right. we are at war. and there's an ideological war we have to consider. and isis's ideology is underpinned by a particular reading of islam. it's known as wahabiism. it's a puritanical reading of islam. and which is -- effectively undoes and eradicates any kind of ethical content of islam. and then what we have is this politicized understanding of islam that wants to impose itself on other people, which is islamism. these combined views create a psychological state, an intellectual landscape which makes it very easy for someone to be recruited and lend themselves to violence. >> but explain to me psychologically what happens in the mind of a young man -- really the majority are men.
who is leading a normal life that we would consider normal hanging out with friends and playing soccer, et cetera. what happens? at what point does that sort of -- that transition happen that turns him into a murderous, callous, extremist killer? >> well, what happens is that when you encounter a particular interpretation of islam such as wahabiism and islamism, that becomes your default position. and what that does, it creates a binary outlook. it creates a world where everything that is good and which is right and moral is on the side of islam and everything else, the west, non-muslims, is on the other side. and when that happens, that there is no middle ground, there is no co-existence, there is no tolerance, and respecting the other. and when that happens, you actually begin to dehumanize the
other. and that process allows an individual to rationalize committing violence and also committing terrorism. and such terrorism that we've seen in paris. what we have to understand is that this is a pernicious ideology, which is infected many young muslims, and it's not far removed from actually -- if we teach our children such views that we can kill apostates, that we can kill someone that disagrees with you, and which wahhabiism is very well known for -- sorry, yes. >> i've got to ask you, adam, because this is the question everyone's going to have listening to you. so you have these young vulnerable men who feel like they're victims, who feel like they're discriminated against. maybe they live in communities that are disenfranchised. they are vulnerable, and they are perfect hosts for these isis brainwashers to implant ideas
into their head that the west and everyone else is evil and you must kill them. okay. so that is kind of the picture we have just painted. so how do you fight that? how do you prevent that from happening in muslim communities in france and elsewhere in europe? >> that's a very good question. but before i answer that, let me just say this, that we must be careful that we don't buy into this grievance narrative, if you'd like, because what it does, it downplays the importance of ideology here. there is no explanation for why someone would join isis, become an extremist, and start enslaving yazidi women, raping them, and throwing homosexuals off high buildings because they were disenfranchised. that was not the case for me, and it's not the case for many, many young muslims. how do we combat this? well, we have to call out these pernicious theological understandings, these per misch worldviews of wahabism and
islamism. we have to identify it isolate it and challenge it and that's the only way we'll win this war against extremism. >> and the question is how do you do that? how do you -- of course we can identify this ideology as being a completely inaccurate interpretation of mainstream islam. how do you fight it? >> well, the work that we do at the quilliam foundation is vital in this game. we are providing a counternarrative, which is essential. when i was growing up, when i was in my late teens, there was no such thing as a counternarrative. and i found myself joining an islamic -- an extremist islamic organization. and i wasn't aware it was extreme. i just thought it was islam. and what's really important now is we provide a counternarrative to challenge these ideas and to present islam in its true light. see, what we have to understand is that we can't kill an ideology. no matter how many troops we send to isis, to that region, it
won't work in the long run. what we have to do is present a counterideology, a counternarrative to make it obsolete and irrelevant. >> adam deen, thanks very much, of the quilliam foundation from london. appreciate your time. quick break on cnn. our special coverage continues after this. ♪ this holiday season, get ready for homecomings. i see you brought a friend? i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the... chances. and good tidings to all. hang onto your antlers. it's the event you don't want to miss. it's the season of audi sales event. get up to a $2,500 bonus for highly qualified lessees on select audi models.
president barack obama is expected to discuss american assistance in the french air strikes against isis. a senior white house official told cnn the united states helped france determine targets overnight. several warplanes attacked the city of raqqa in syria sunday. that was of course less than two days after the terrorist attacks in paris. raqqa is a stronghold for isis. let's get more insight on these air strikes. we turn to cnn military analyst retired lieutenant college telerick francona. he joins us from california. what impact could these air strikes possibly have? >> well, i think in the first place it's a visceral reaction. it's the french wanting to send a message to isis that they're not going to take this lying down, they are going to respond. raqqa is a very symbolic target. it is the self-proclaimed capital of the caliphate. but those targets they have struck have been hit before, and i suspect that this was more for
french domestic political consumption. as you were talking earlier, the headlines reading "massive bombardment." 20 bombs on raqqa is not massive bombardment. it's merely a pinprick. the air campaign overall has been anemic, and this is just more symptomatic of what they've been doing. >> you call it "anemic." it's also been going on for more than a year and a half. do you think there are measurable gains as a result of this very, very long right now, almost more than 18-month bombing campaign by the coalition? >> yeah, it's very -- it's very i would say problematic. we've been putting a lot of time, money, and effort into this with very little to show. about half of the sorties that take off -- i'm speaking for the american sorties. come back with weapons still on the aircraft. because the command and control process, the rules of engagement
are so cumbersome that the pilots can't expend the ordnance when they see targets. they have to get permission from higher headquarters. it has to go all the way back to an operations center in baghdad, and there's a whole coordination committee that has to agree whether they can strike these targets. so we're seeing opportunities wasted on the ground. so you're right, it's been going on for over a year. very little to show for it. we are containing isis in certain areas. but if you look overall, isis is expanding on the ground in syria up until the time about two weeks ago. >> well, it brings into focus once again the challenge of trying to defeat an insurgent army, a terrorist army from the air. you know, even in the initial days of this campaign many analysts and experts said this wasn't going to work without ground troops. so what's the solution here? >> well, that's the problem. you can't do this from the air alone. and i think that's beginning to
set in in some of the leadership in washington and now we're starting to see the deployment of about 50 special operators into syria. what are they going to do? they're going to work with the local forces. but one of the main things you're going to do is try and get more air power in there more effectively. what they're doing right now just isn't working. they're doing air power, and they're going after targets but these targets can't be very close to troops. if you want to really hurt isis you have to hit them on the front lines. and right now the sorties can't do that because you don't have american eyes on the target. dropping ordnance on troops in combat has to be controlled by someone on the ground. and the kurds and the syrian rebels, for as brave as they are, just don't have the capabilities to do that. i think what we're trying to do is to train them or even get american special forces. i'm going to call this the afghan model. what we did in afghanistan worked. you put american special forces, u.s. air force, u.s. army, combat controllers who can guide the air strikes. they can be much more effective.
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welcome back. france wants to send a message that it is reacting with force to the attacks in paris that killed 129 people. on sunday french warplanes attacked the city of raqqa in northern syria. the city is the self-proclaimed capital of the terrorist group. warplanes took off from jordan and the uae, bombing an isis command center, an ammunition depot, and a training camp. unclear how effective this will be. across france police carried out a series of raids. agency france presse is reporting raids near the city of lyon led to five arrests and the seizure of an arsenal of weapons
including, believe it or not, a rocket launcher in lyon. now, several big name rock bands are canceling shows after the attacks. foo fighters, for instance, canceled their gig. the band coldplay was among the first to respond, postponing a live stream of their l.a. show friday out of respect for the victims. u2 postponed paris shows set for saturday and sunday. i mentioned foo fighters. they canceled the rest of their european tour including their stop in paris, which was due to happen today. now, madonna decided that her tour must go on despite the attacks. listen. >> i feel torn. like why am i up here dancing and having fun when people are crying over the loss of their loved ones? [ cheers and applause ] however, that is exactly what
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welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani. it is 9:00 a.m. here in paris. several new developments to bring you in our breaking news coverage. france is lashing out at isis in syria. and clamping down hard on suspected terrorists here at home. it is of course all a response to friday's deadly attacks in paris. attacks that the french prime minister says were "organized, conceived, and planned from syria." now, on sunday french warplanes
conducted sorties. they struck the isis stronghold city of raqqa in northern syria. we understand several aircraft took off from bases in jordan nearby, but also from the gulf in the uae. there were simultaneous attacks and they hit isis command centers, this is according to the defense ministry. the defense ministry also saying they hit a recruiting facility and a training base. this is video distributed by the defense ministry itself. wanting to say we did this two days after the attacks. meanwhile, here's a map of france. and it shows you where police conducted raids across the country. a series of anti-terror raids. agency france presse reporting they happened in calais, grenoble, toulouse, and also reporting that more than a dozen raids near the city of lyon led to five arrests today and the seizure of some impressive arsenal of weapons because among what was seized according to afp was a rocket launcher in lyon.
we're getting information about one of the terrorists, bilal hadfi. he was a resident of belgium. he was killed outside the stade de france while carrying out his attack. you'll remember three bombers conducted suicide operations. several sources say hadfi was 19 or 20 years old. he was radicalized quickly and fought in syria. let's bring in senior international correspondent fred pleitgen from paris for the very latest on the investigation. so now we are learning every day the identity of one more or a couple of more of these suicide bombers. tell us about the significance of what we're learning today, fred. >> reporter: well, hala, it certainly helps investigators to try and piece together first of all how exactly these attacks here in paris were conducted and of course what they're also trying to learn is how big possibly the network behind all of this is and where that network comes from. and one of the things thavg the french government has said that they believe these attacks were planned in syria, something that
the prime minister manuel valls said just a couple moments ago. of course one of the things that indicates that is that apparently three of the atta attackers had been to syria. now, the identity of this new man that we've just heard the identity of, bilal hadfi, that is also something that very much fits into that puzzle. the fact he appears to have gone to syria or been in syria as late as march 2015, the fact that apparently he did fight for isis there, and the picture that we've been able to obtain of him is actually a screen grab from a video which has since been taken offline that showed him calling for attacks against the west. so all of this information is of course very important to see what sort of network is behind all this, how this network operated, and then also of course how sophisticated, hala, this network might have been. one of the things that came out yesterday which was very interesting was that the bomb -- the attackers were not only armed with ak-47s but all of them also with suicide vests and
that all of these suicide vests were made in exactly the same way. and that certainly does show a certain degree of sophistication, a certain degree of quite sophisticated planning as well. and that's of course also one of the things that the authorities are trying to piece together, seeing how this network worked. of course also having now established that link to brussels in belgium where also of course several arrests have been made, hala. >> all right. and we are hearing from authorities as well that they believe many, many more people than the seven who were involved in the attacks on friday were part of this group planning, staying under the radar for presumably quite a long time in order to achieve this deadly series of operations on friday. tell us a little bit about what authorities are saying regarding how many more people might have been involved in all of this.
>> well, they believe it could have been quite a wide ring. they believe there would have been some coordination between isis in syria and then leading all the way up to belgium, to france, and that this communication went on for quite a long time. there are some sources within u.s. law enforcement who believe that the operatives of the cells might have communicated in some sort of encrypted way to try and avoid the detection, and it certainly seems as though they did manage to do that. because as you said, the authorities are also taking -- are also saying that it did take -- would have taken quite a long time to plan all of this, to coordinate all of this, because of course it doesn't only involve acquiring these weapons. it doesn't only involve building, for instance, the devices that the attackers carried on themselves, the explosive devices, but also then they apparently rented vehicles, rented vehicles in belgium, and then drove down here to france. one of the alleged people who was also a part of all of this was arrested in belgium. he's apparently the man who
rented one of these vehicles, a black vw polo that was rented in brussels by a french national, then driven down here to paris and was later then found at the site of the attack at the bataclan. so certainly the authorities believe this has to be part of some sort of wider plot. just how wide, just how big all of this is is something they're still trying to piece together, hala. >> fred pleitgen, thanks very much. at the place de la republique in paris. as we mentioned, france is also going after isis in syria. french warplanes dropped at least 20 bombs on targets in raqqa. that's in northern syria, the self-proclaimed capital of this terrorist group. and french officials say a command center, ammunition storage base, and a training camp were all destroyed, but an isis media wing claims the sites were abandoned before the strikes and that no one was killed. our military analyst, retired lieutenant colonel general marc hertling says the strikes are
"strategically symbolic." >> i wouldn't quite believe that they have completely abandoned all of those facilities. there were some pretty good target sets there. but what you also have to remember too is this was a handover of a target set more than likely from what's called the a.t.o., the air tasking order. so when france came in and said they want to conduct these attacks, these target packages were already in folders, as they're called, and i'm sure the central command handed them over to the french fighters to attack for the symbolism of france being back in the fight. but there's much more to it than that. this is a strategically symbolic attack. bringing another coalition member into this fight. even though france has already hit targets in syria as recently as the 10th of november. but it shows an uptick potentially in more people wanting -- more nations wanting to contribute to this fight. >> all right. well, the investigation into the deadly attacks has led authorities to belgium as well.
they have conducted raids and operations there. we understand that several people are thought to have been connected from inside belgium. and belgium is issuing an international warrant for an arrest of this particular suspect. you're seeing there the information on him. abdeslam salah. you see it there. in french it says if you have information on this person please give it to police. a source tells cnn the french police questioned actually this man, abdeslam after the attacks and pretty startlingly let him go. now they suspect he was involved on some level in the terror plot. parisian police are getting help from the fbi as they try to trace how these terrorists carried out friday night's attacks. the u.s. has sent federal agents to paris. they're trying to figure out how all these individuals communicated with each other. now, two possibilities are encryption and the use of gaming systems like xbox and
playstation to communicate with isis in syria, to stay under the radar. and clearly they did because they were able to carry out these attacks. while all this was unfolding, the g20 summit opened yesterday in the shadow of all this bloodshed. and the terror attacks are dominating the agenda at this economic meeting of world leaders. the american president barack obama and the russian president vladimir putin were seen huddled together in deep conversation in between official sessions. the white house later said they discussed syria. former cnn moscow bureau chief jill dougherty says the body language showed a sign of perhaps an evolving relationship. listen. >> reporter: it really does show two people leaning into each other as if they're kind of comrades, or at least there's a certain intensity about it. and also i looked very carefully at the statement by one u.s. official after that meeting.
i think that was important. they said obama noted the importance of russia's military efforts in syria, focusing on isis. that is different. that is softer. it's praising the activities of the russians in syria. and i think that's very significant. >> cnn's michelle kosinski is at the g20 summit in antalya in turkey. she joins me now live. michelle, do we know more about what was discussed between the two men? because it's no secret putin and obama don't have the warmest relationship? in that particular photo it caught everyone's attention because it seemed really to be huddled in deep conversation sharing important information. what more can you tell us about what was said between the two men? >> reporter: yeah. it looked extremely serious. it was sort of a strange setting in the middle of this reception between sessions in this big room. it wasn't exactly noisy, but it
was busy. and they were just in this corner kind of between the hors d'oeuvres and the bar, obviously having an extremely serious meeting, the two of them and then one on each side of their aides, of course a translator there too. so it was one of those times where you didn't see them smiling or sharing a laugh. it was all business and it was all extremely serious. the white house only delivers generally a brief meeting, a brief readout or a summary after one of these meetings. they didn't go into a whole lot of detail when we talked to administration officials about it later. we know that president obama brought up ukraine for what seems like the millionth time now, urging president putin to remove the heavy artillery, to remove russian troops, to give back the territory to ukraine. this meeting wasn't all about potential cooperation. it was also at least in part a rebuke for what has happened in ukraine.
but there has been a statement periodically from the white house including on this trip that the white house is looking for ways to work with russia where it can. and of course the fight against isis is one of those areas. you get a sense of hopefulness that there could be collaboration between these two nations on that. but keep in mind the vast majority of russian strikes in syria have not been against isis targets, that the u.s. would be targeting but against the syrian opposition. so there are clearly big differences there on either side. but you know, the white house is willing and wanting to try and work on a time to talk whenever possible, to make some progress when they can. and they did call the meeting constructive afterwards. that was at least one positive note to come out of this, hala. >> all right. michelle kosinski in antalya at the g20 summit. thanks very much. we'll be following the u.s.
welcome back. the french prime minister said the attacks were conceived and organized not at home but in syria. in france police are carrying out more than 150 raids across the country. agence france press is reporting that lads in lyon led to several arrests and the seizure of an arsenal of weapons that is really startling because it includes, according to this report, a rocket launcher in the heart of france. and french authorities released new details about one of the attackers killed while carrying out his suicide bombing outside
the soccer stadium. bilal hadfi lived in belgium, but authorities says -- authorities say he spent time fighting in syria and was radicalized quite quickly, and according to reports, and you can see it from the screen grab of a video there, looks like quite a very young man. 19 years old, possibly 20 years old. soccer fans who were waiting to get inside the stade de france are talk about the horror they witnessed on friday. our atika shubert reports on the carnage and also on the lingering fear. >> reporter: the stade de france has shut its gates but there are still grisly reminders of the terror that struck here. sidewalks stained with blood, shattered windows, deep pock marks in the wall. the first suicide bomber struck 15 minutes to the first half of the germany-france exhibition match. the second and third detonated minutes later. investigators are looking at the sequence of events. according to the security guards
in the area that we spoke with, one of the bombers tried to enter the stadium but was stopped by security. >> now, this is where we believe the second suicide bomber detonated. it's right in front of the entrance. now, i want you to take a look at this as well. we've been finding these all around the site. these are bolts. and as you can see, this one is particularly mangled. but according to the public prosecutor, these are packed into the suicide vests to cause maximum carnage. it did not turn out the way the bombers wanted. one person who was walking by was killed. several others were injured. otherwise, the only others that were killed were the bombers themselves. according to the paris prosecutor, the explosives they used were poor quality but enough to scatter the bloodied remains of the bombers dozens of meters away. yves bouque lives around the corner. >> i just learned that this blood was the kamikaze, the kamikaze's blood. >> the suicide bomber. >> so i was feeling a little
sad. now i'm feeling less sad. >> reporter: while forensics teams have swept the area, there are still remnants of the attack. onlookers have come to the scene not knowing that they are walking over small pieces of the bomber's remains. others cannot forget what they saw. we saw body parts there, he tells us. "i didn't want my son to see any of this. we were right in front of the stadium and we didn't think, we had no idea what was happening." kevin toulgas still has his tickets, but one of the bombs went off before he and his son could make it into the stadium. he says his son cannot sleep and kevin, who came to france as a kurdish refugee seeking safety from war, says he may never take his son to another match. he tells us, "when my son realized the extent of what happened, he told me don't ever bring me to a game again. so no, i don't think we can go."
the blood can be washed away. but the fear that this may happen again cannot. atika shubert, cnn, paris. well, for more on where france can even begin to go from here, let's turn to the deputy editor-in-chief with "paris march" magazine. thanks for being with us. i want to show our viewers, this is a special edition because "paris march" usually is 3ub8d on thursdays but you worked all night and you came out with a special edition of "paris match." "france attacked," is the big headline, so our viewers can see it. tell us what went into putting this together. >> well, it's such an exceptional event, we decided to move our deadline and actually gather every piece of information. we had teams working 24/7 on the ground. fortunately or unfortunately -- fortunately because they were safe, but we had a few of our reporters that were going --
living in the neighborhood for some of them and some of them who were at a party nearby. they just jumped and started -- turned on reporter mode and worked all night together, what we have in the magazine. >> and you had to select -- and of course "paris match" is really all about pictures. >> yes. >> and you had to select the front page picture, the cover picture. what made you choose particularly this one? >> because the look of that woman, that wounded woman, sums it up. it's really all the tragedy is there. there's the nurse nearby looking at her, you know, with fear in her eyes. we don't know at that point, we think this person survived, but the fact that she looks at the people, you know, it really embodies the tragedy. whenever there's something like the scope of this tragedy, we need to find one person who will carry all the emotion, and that woman certainly did. we haven't found her yet.
but we will probably tell her story afterwards. that's what we usually do with our cover picture. >> you have 44 special pages on this. and all these images as well that take us through the night, through the tragedy of what happened including one actually the remains of a suicide bomber. by want to focus on the victims. coincidentally. you know, we all know someone who has been killed or someone who has lost somebody. coincidentally, a neighborhood restaurant of mine named livio when i lived in paris and still have a home in paris, the owner's son was killed at the bataclan. when you see that, it brings it truly home. this is a 40-year-old pierre innocente. the whole street outside my apartment is full of flowers. >> i live nearby and we all know this guy. we all know livio. someone in my environment that was killed or wounded, i don't
know, fortunately. but we all know somebody who knew. and this is why this tragedy touches us parisians. because it's something where -- well, what's also amazing about this terrible event is that it really brought people together. i witnessed a scene yesterday in the middle of paris. there was a bus driver who was trying to maneuver his bus and was kind of stuck in the middle of the street. i saw taxi drivers that went out of their car to help him. people stopped. usually they will honk and shout the parisian way. this is no longer the case. there is definitely a sense of unity. people are nice to each other. people are anxious. but they wanted to stick together. >> i observed that but i also want to ask you one last question about the potential backlash. first against the muslim community. secondly, against the refugees. because there are reports that one of the suicide bombers posed as a refugee.
once everyone is done being nice to each other, at some point there will be potentially some backlash. >> well, there's going to be some questions, and obviously i would say the level of voters for national front in the next election is going to be higher than expected. it's already very high. it doesn't mean that all the people want to, you know, go against the muslim or -- but there's definitely a feeling of anger. i went also in the neighborhood, in the suburbs, and a lot of people are very angry. especially because charlie happened at the beginning of this year. >> "charlie hebdo." >> "charlie hebdo," a terror attack on january 7th. everybody pours in the street. we had 1 million man march on january 11th. and a lot of people are questioning why is this happening again, what has the government been doing during that time, why do we have to face such a carnage in the heart of our capital city? and these questions are very
serious. question the politician are going to put on the back burner for the next weeks. we need answer. i know they bombed raqqa last night. i don't know if this is going to be very efficient. but if they start really bombing raqqa it means they're going to do like the russians a little bit, and the russians were one step ahead of that. and a lot of people are starting to say what vladimir putin is doing in syria is a good thing, the right thing, and why are we waiting, why can't we go and you know, hit these people the hardest and the toughest? >> people want answers. people are angry. people are start demanding answers of their politicians as well. it's going to be interesting to cover the aftermath. thanks very much. deputy editor of "paris match." >> thank you. many wonder why isis targeted paris. but a look at the group's propaganda shows they hold special hatred for france. we'll xlr why after this.
welcome back. let's take a closer look at why france seems to be such an important target for isis. their propaganda reveals a special hatred for this country. senior international correspondent nick paton-walsh. >> reporter: in this cult of hatred something special is reserved for france. propaganda in french. 800 foreigners in syria or iraq, french. passports, french, burned in french.
projecting a country 246 french where isis use their passports to return to. air strikes and prohibitions on muslim dress listed as why france must be attacked as they goad their audience in france on. >> [ speaking french ]. >> reporter: another says they made hijra, or migrated to the caliphate. it is baffling how the psychosis finds new depth for a country so many used to call home, where their parents may once have within grateful migrants. perhaps they hope to lure some of the 5 million young french muslims, but the loathing seems endless. even their spokesman adnani has said before they take the
ultimate target for the caliphate of christian rome they want to take paris. executioner salim bengalin also french, also goading killers on. >> reporter: another complains france's military doesn't have the courage to face them here on the ground. so many in france may now demand he gets his wish. nick paton-walsh, cnn, erbil. >> cnn international correspondent jim bittermann joins me with the latest on the reaction. and we've been hearing from the french prime minister this evening. >> manuel valls saying a lot about what's been taking place including strikes with french aircraft striking isis targets. he says they're going to continue throughout the week and
maybe beyond that. he said they're going to ask for a state of emergency when they have this congress this afternoon that has the parliament together. it's a very extraordinary thing to have happen. they're going to bring the upper and lower houses together and he's going to ask for a three-month extension. the president's going to ask for a three-month extension of the state of emergency which allows them special policing powers, allows them to put the army in place of police on the streets, allows them to go through military courts instead of civilian courts, allows them to censor the press, gives them a firm hand on what's happening in the country. unusual. it's been done over the years, during the algerian conflict and other times, but it's pretty extraordinary measures. >> french people are -- there is some controversy with imposing a state of emergency because it also gives the government more surveillance powers, more detention powers, et cetera. overall do you sense the french people in support of this? >> it's interesting, this morning another thing valls said was he said they wanted to clamp down on any kind of radicalized
mosques or islamic associations. and almost within five minutes of when he said that on rtl he got a call fran impam who said we would support that if you want to close down radicalized mosques. >> a muslim cleric actually called in and said we agree with your move to close down radical mosques and preachers. you see them online some imams in france saying some absolutely outrageous things. and it's interesting that a muslim cleric would say fine by me. this is interesting. we just interviewed the deputy editor in chief of "paris match." they have a special edition today. they usually come out on thursday. but they came out today. this is the moment that francois hollande, the president of france -- there's a bit of a glare there -- was told. he is in the french soccer stadium. let me just show you this if we can get it on. and that's his aide whispering
in his ear. apologies. too much grar. but there you have it. i wanted to try to share that with our viewers. that was a fail. he's been told in his ear just in the same way george bush was -- >> exactly. one of the newspapers i saw had the two pictures side by side. francois hollande being told and george bush being told about 9/11. >> interesting. i wonder what was going through his mind when he was told whey, suicide bombers blew themselves up 100 meters from paris. >> manuel valls said the cop 21, big climate change conference is going to bring in 125 heads of state, whatnot, they said some activities will be curtailed, which is to say the conference will continue but there's a lot of ancillary projects and demonstrations and stuff that are going to take place. he said some of those will be curtailed. >> jim bittermann, thanks very much. we'll stay in touch and get back to you throughout the morning. as paris tries to look forward past the bloodshed, cnn spoke to a former isis captive on what
one man who knows isis all too well is didier francois, a french journalist held captive by the group for more than ten months. earlier he gave his outlook after the attacks to our christiane amanpour and anderson cooper. >> do you think people here, the citizens here, are ready for the long war? >> well, there's no choice. i mean, they do impose war on us. and they decided to take hostages before we even decided to strike them or attack them. i mean, people who think that just by putting their head in the sand the threat will pass and eventually those guys are going to be nice with it and
take tea with us are strongly mistaking. we have to deal with them. >> so to follow up on what anderson was asking, your president addressed the people twice here. and yesterday he said war has been declared on this country by an army, an army of jihadi terrorists. so that actually has an implication. he said we will strike back ruthlessly and mercilessly. the prime minister said we will destroy our enemy. >> at the end of the day, war is a matter of will. it's not just a matter of means. they do have the will to destroy us. there's no way we are going to be destroyed. this country has been created -- people for generations have been fighting to build france, to build democracy in this country, to build a good life. we're not going to accept a bunch of a few guys is going to destroy this. of course. we already are fighting them. the french army has been really active a lot in africa in mali,
in niger, together with the african army, with the chadian army. the work has been done. and there is a reason why they're striking us. we are a threat for them as much as they are a threat for us. that's what it means by a war. and it's not a war like the second world war. it's an imbalanced war. but that's the way it is. >> you say it's not a war like the second world war. but yet vladimir putin in the u.n. in september when he announced that he was going to join the fight against isis, you know, then started bombing, he said at the u.n. we the allies need to form a coalition against this extremism just as the allies formed the coalition against hitler and nazism during the second world war. didier, that has not happened. there is no such determined coalition now. and i guess my question is how many deaths will be enough to form that real coalition? how much more can your president and other leaders take of this kind of bloodshed in their cities before they get serious
about fighting the war in syria? >> i understand your question. i don't have the answers. i think that everybody has the answer inside himself. i mean, everybody has to resist to these attacks where it is, where he is or she is. i mean, that's our duty of every one of us living in democracy, to support the fact that we are not going to run to what they want us to do, surrender to barbarism. we're not going to surrender to the fact they're going to slaughter people, who don't understand beliefs, who are trying to live their lives. there's no way we're going to surrender to this. our four countries, governments, states are going to get together and go beyond their differences and political issues and interests. i have no idea. what i know is in my country we won't surrender. that's what we know. >> just if i could ask a personal question, how did you not give in to fear when you were being held? how did you not despair?
>> i had fear. >> of course you had fear. but i mean how did you get through each day? >> tell them what they did to you. >> well, it was not very nice. but i have a strong conviction and belief. i love my country. i love democracy. they hate it, but i love it. i never lied to them. i never tried to tell them i liked what they were doing or whatever. i hated it. democracy has a lot of mistakes and things, but it's still the best way of living. i mean, really. and it's not for granted. again, people -- we have been at peace for 70 years. great. and again, it's -- but it's not for granted. we have to defend. if you have this feeling deep inside yourself, why should you give in? generation before us, we know where we are coming from. if we want to go somewhere, it's always better to know where we come from. and everything, our grandfather, our forefather build it stone by
stone. and also with blood. so we didn't have to pay the price of blood for years. we have to do it now. it's a pity. again, i understand for the families, for everybody. we're suffering today. but if it's the price to pay, i mean, we are ready to pay for it. >> yeah, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right. the french journalist didier francois. he was held captive by isis. people came together for a special sunday mass at notre dame cathedral to remember the fallen. we'll be right back. ♪
welcome back. mourners filled the famous notre dame cathedral sunday to remember the victims of the paris attacks. here's ben wedeman. >> reporter: the bells of notre dame toll and toll and toll for the dead. the trauma of friday night's multiple attacks still all too raw. with soldiers on guard outside, a special service was held in this ancient cathedral.
offering up prayers for the dead and prayers for the living. in the face of blind barbarism, cardinal andre vingt-trois told the congregation, there could be no crack in the foundation of our convictions. but this city in shock will take time to recover. >> terrible. terrible things for france, for paris, and for people, for the world. >> reporter: they're shocked but not subdued. >> the ceremony was just to say we are here, we support the families, the sadness of the families, but we are not scared. >> reporter: the service was attended by many from outside france. drawn by an urge to express support. >> we need to stand together and show solidarity as well. to show them that they won't win. they won't win. they're cowards, and they won't win. >> reporter: and brought together by a sense that far too
many around the world are living through the same nightmare. >> i have friends in lebanon, and i talked with them yesterday, and they told me about the terrorist situation, bomb there two or three days ago. and i came here tonight to pray for all the people that cannot survive terrorism. >> reporter: prayers that hopefully will be heard. ben wedeman, cnn, paris. >> all right. well, joining me now is a senior political correspondent with our affiliate network bf mtv. so here we are again less than ten months after "charlie hebdo," and paris is rocked by terrorist attacks on even a grander scale. what do french people want their government to do? >> well, i think they want their government to explain what's going on and they want their government to explain and the president will try and do that later on this afternoon, exactly what it means to say that france
is at war. because this is the one sentence we've kept on hearing over the past three or four days. we are at war with an army of terrorists. so what exactly does that mean? how do we wage war on terrorists? how is it going to change and affect our lives? and most importantly, if it's hard to find an answer to that one, how long is it going to go on for? >> and do you think there's more support now within france for direct military action against this group in syria and iraq? >> yes, i think there certainly is, although there was before. but i think it's a strange afrmts n atmosphere now in paris. it's a combination of a sense of bravery and a sense of fear as well. there is a sense of determination that we have not the possibility to change our way of lives but that our way of lives is going to be tested in a way it never was before. we know it's going to go on for a month. and again this morning the prime minister said there will be other attacks and they might come as early as the next few days.
>> but i'm curious. i haven't heard a criticism directed at the interior ministry or at intelligence services in this country because this was a massive intelligence failure, to have not detected on any level a plot that culminated in the successful attack of six sites across the capital. >> there has been a lot of criticism aimed at mostly the president and the government as a whole for their failing to put into place the whole thing, to give the professionals the tools. so in that sense the professionals themselves have not been the target of the criticism. it has been political criticism. and you've heard, and this is very different from january. back in january the political scene was very quiet for weeks before political debate started as to what it is we are to do to be more efficient. this time overnight you heard criticism from former president nicolas sarkozy. you heard criticism from marine
le pen the far right. >> nicolas sarkozy came out and spoke 20 minutes after the president. and he's not 234 government. he's the opposition. 20 minutes later he was already giving his own speech. >> and in that sense it's very different. but everybody here realizes that the professionals, security forces, have been doing as much as they could. they've been running around like crazy for month. and indeed -- >> they're overwhelmed. >> they are overwhelmed. and up until friday night they had been pretty successful at foiling attacks. the prime minister told us a few hours ago that they foiled five -- as many as five serious terrorist attacks over the past few weeks. >> and this is going to be a big challenge for them. big challenge for the country. really we get the sense this is different, that it's a game changer. we've got to leave it there. thierry arnaud, as always thanks so much for joining us. we really appreciate your time. i'm hala gorani. we're live in paris. we'll continue our special coverage after a break. you are watching cnn.
breaking news this morning, more than 150 terror raids overnight in france. investigators revealing new information about who was behind the paris attacks. a manhunt happening for one dangerous suspect as french jets bomb isis in syria. live team coverage breaking it all down begins right now. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans in new york. >> and i'm john berman live in paris this morning. it is monday, november 16th. 4:00 a.m. in the east. it is 10:00 a.m. here in