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and police stations situation rooms and army barracks across the country, tens of thousands of people have becoming and going making arrests seizing weapons, searching for fugitives. in just the last two hours, authorities raised the terror alert level apparently the staging area for the plot. we know that now. they released new photos of the key fugitive. the so-called eight terrorists, the eighth who they are looking for. the french president hollande addressed the parliament, the third time that address has been made since 1848 saying the country is at war with isis. french war planes apparently carrying a wave of air strikes in raqqah and syria and we'll get a report from northern iraq shortly. we saw a video threatening washington with paris style attacks and we heard from the cia director brennan admitting the group could have more plots in the pipeline. late tonight defense secretary ashton carter called lone
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attacks the most immediate threat in the u.s. and late tonight we learned that the killers may have been living in an apartment just outside the city in the week ahead of the attacks here on friday night so there is a lot to get to starting with nick robert season with the latest. nic? >> the eighth terror suspect still on the loose. french police describe him as dangerous. they say that people should not approach him. belgium authorities are hunting, as well, that international arrest warrant out for him. the apartment that police raided in a northeastern suburb of paris a little under 24 hours ago has revealed to the police we understand that this apartment was used by the eight terror attackers in the week prior to their deadly attacks
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here just before the weekend on friday night. how did that slip by, if you will, without notice or without people drawing it to the police's attention? they spent a lot of time in that apartment searching it earlier today. no doubt as the invest goes forward they will be wanting to talk to local, to neighbors of that apartment and very likely to the person that rented it out to the terrorists. one of the terror suspects tied after launching his gun attack when he detonated his suicide vest on friday night. >> nic, obviously there is a lot we don't know and one of the things that i haven't heard anything about and i don't know is publicly known yet is where the suicide devices were actually put together, where they were assembled and wlit he it was in paris and belgium and
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brought here or whether somewhere else and who had the capabilities to make them and put them together. >> what we know from french officials so far is that at least six of the eight went to syria. this type of bomb is complex to make. it is an unstable explosive tatp. it can be made with products that you can find in stores in paris or in belgium. so it could have been made in either of the places. but the fact that six members of this team of eight terrorists had been to syria gives an indication that perhaps one or several of them learned how to make explosives. were all the vests made at some other apartment somewhere else and brought to this apartment, handed out to the different terrorists in the days prior to the attack? were they taught how to use them? none of that is clear. what we seen generally the way
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al qaeda used to do this and isis takes some pages out of their playbook is one member will know how to make it and instruct them how to use it and potentially that's what the police may be looking at, as well, anderson. >> nic robertson, thanks so much. more on the manhunt and possibility of additional tactics that could be in the works. joining us now is former assistant for homeland security also senior international correspondent clarisa ward and paul. this eighth terrorist who we've been talking about, it's not clear if he also has a suicide vest though all seven others did so it's very possible that he has a vest, as well which is one reason why authorities would not want people to get anywhere near him. >> that's exactly right. when they found the car he was in, the abandoned car in the
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suburb of paris they didn't find any explosive vest. he was picked up and driven back towards belgium and eventually got into belgium and stopped on the boarder for a few minutes and so, you know, i think perhaps likely he's in belgium right now maybe even in the brussels area, his hometown. i think that's probably linked at the terror threat going up in brussels. >> it's interesting. he was pulled over. there were two other people who were in his vehicle at the time. i don't know if law enforcement has their names but would be interesting to know who they are and what connection if any they have to the attacks. >> my understanding is they were arrested eventually. >> so they have been -- >> they came all the way to paris that night to pick him up and then bring him back to belgium because he -- the investigators think he was meant to die and something went wrong where he backed out, didn't
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manage to explode himself and he then gets driven back to belgium. >> cla rrisaclarisa, we talked of an operation this was, not just the eight directly involved in the attacks but how many other people are there who helped organize things? >> that's the question, look at the araraids. 23 people arrested more than 100 people under house arrest. these were taking place all over the country. they don't have a good sense of how large this network is. from everyone who i have spoken to, one thing is clear, there is no way that eight men on their own could have pulled this off. the network had to be larger. there were people who were helping to orchestrate and facilitate this complex and sophisticated attack. >> juliette, you wrote an article on and point out
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the magnitude and sophistication of the attack is troubling not only because of the number of terrorists involved but the number of people to clarisa's point who knew it would happen. >> i would agree there that it's just not that eight. there is just too much activity. it had to work perfectly from their perspective and clearly almost did except for that one ve vest. what you're seeing now, this is a sweep. there will be multiple arrests that led to nothing and the hope that maybe one of those guys is the guy they are looking for and this is not just in france. we have activity in france, germany, this investigation will link to syria and iraq. the bulk is belgium and that's six countries there and three or four days since the attacks. this is going to take a long time to put the pieces together. in the meanwhile, we have to assume others knew this would happen and that they had plans past last friday and i think
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that's what is making everyone so nervous. >> clarisa, you covered the rev few gee, the migrant crisis. i was on lesbos about a month ago and others coming, more than as many as 1 million may have come to germany and other parts of europe this year alone. the idea one came from leg goes and came with legitimate refugees and migrants really does cast the response and they were opposed to these people leaving syria and other parts of the area. >> this is possibly the greatest or not the greatest but this is possibly one of the most unintended tragedies of consequences is that the hundreds of thousands of refugees who are fleeing the violence were fleeing this specific type of violence, senseless killing are now in a position where many countries will be afraid to take them in, where there will be a real head
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wind for more right wing groups and different countries to say that they are dangerous, that they shouldn't be allowed into the country and again, just reminding everyone that they are fleeing this type of violence. and we don't yet know was this a real passport? this really a refugee? this a european citizen posting as a refugee. >> paul, what is interesting about terrorism, that's one of the objectives of terrorism, it's a weapon of the weak designed to against a bigger power to get an over reaction that brings more people to the cause of the weak. >> i think that's absolutely right, anderson. you me, when you're looking at the nexus between refugees and terrorism, the number of cases on the fingers of one hand in terms of the number of cases of refugees where there has been that connection to terrorism. coming through and when the italians arrested somebody and
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germany and in syria, not many cases at all. so this has been over blown. >> thank you, clarisa ward and julia. coming up next, we'll have a lot more on the investigation and the latest we've been learning and more on the refugee crisis in the second and the latest air strikes in syria as well as the larger and tougher question how to defeat isis long term. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company...
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>> moments of panic that occurred here over the weakened as people fled thinking that some shots had been fired. thankfully, they had not been fired. it was basically a rumor that spread. police were yelling telling people to get away, however, no
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one here pretends that what happened on friday will not happen again. france's president today said this country is at war with isis. the french air force starting over the weekend putting those words into action self-ing raqqah in syria. there are now reports of new strikes underway right now nick paton walsh is monitoring develop t developments and joins us now. what are you hearing? >> so far since about 10:00 local time, about six hours ago, activists inside the city of raqqah do have an anti isis agenda but proven reliable last night and in the past in reporting air strikes there saying there are a total of seven strikes in the last six hours predominantly on the southern side of the city. now we don't know who are behind these strikes. it could be the coalition by american jets predominantly, it could be the french and the second night after last night 20 explosio
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explosions, it could be the russians and a slim chance it could be the sir regime. many asking abtout the targets. 24 counted on the ground. last night we were told it was outskirts of the center of the city hit predominantly but two main targets in the center called the stadium and the museum and only basically being used as headquarters and jails for isis. isis fighters said yesterday to be less visible on the street and have to learn to adapt and remember, there has been months of strikes. last night, one coalition air strike hit raqqah as well and slightly to the northwest of that area but it seems tonight we are now in the second night
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in a row of a pretty substantial number of air strikes, seven is normally far above a normal night you might expect to hear over raqqah, anderson. >> all right. nick paton walsh, appreciate it. let's bring in bob bear, former cia officer and national security analyst and retired air force analyst rick francona. these air strikes, are they enough, do you believe? >> anderson, i think they prove to be useless. we have been bombing groups for 14 years and the move thes are expanding. yes, we have them on the run in northern iraq and the rest of it but at the end of the day, these move thments don't care and you can't behead with bomb strikes and drone strikes. this is a ban dade on a gaping wound and at the end of the day, it's not going to get us anything. i don't see why it would work
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now and i don't think the french will have any butter luck than we've had. >> and yet, obviously, colonel franco francona, the concern about large forces or increase of u.s. forces on the ground which is to president obama's point that it makes the u.s. more the focus of isis attacks and perhaps alienates more people on the ground. >> well, that said and i'll go along with who bob said. these attacks have not established the goal. the air campaign is anemic at best because we haven't been able to strike the targets we need to hit. there is a variety of reasons for that. part is it's cumbersome and other reason is that we are absolutely adverse to any civilian casualties. the pilots often return with ammunition on the aircraft. so we're not really dropping the bombs we need to. what we found, though, is we can be more effective when we are trying to take land back from isis. that requires a ground component
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and as the president said, we're not going to use american troops so we've got to find some ground force that we can use be that the kurds of iraqi army. the iraqi army is utterly useless so far i think we need to use the kurds. only then will the air campaign be more effective. what we are seeing is symbolic, the french strikes want to send a message to isis that you struck us and we're striking you back but it's not going to change the battle on the ground. >> bob bear, when you hear those in the united states who support 10,000 u.s. forces on the ground or more, what do you think? >> well, the problem is the islamic state wants us to send forces there. they want to draw us into a quagmire. they don't care if we move into raqqah and the 82nd airborne. they have this view of the world
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they can fight the american military in iraq and syria and they can win. i don't think they can. the point is are we ready to commit and the president is right and then what do we do about yemen? that would take 500,000 soldiers. i hope the americans have the appetite. rick is right, the one group that's done anything is the kurds but the problem is they can only go so far. they can go into sin yajar and won't be able to go and take it back and the iraqi army is proved worthless and we won't get anything out of bashar assad. this is pretty much a stalemate at this point. >> lieutenant colonel francona, there are those in the u.s. that support the idea of a no fly zone in syria for humanitarian reasons. the president talked that today and said when you drill down and really look at it, it's not
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feasible. >> the time for a no fly zone passed. that ship sailed. when the russians put their forces in there, there is no way we'll be able to enforce a new fly scene if we declare it. if you declare it, you have to enforce it. we're not in a position to do that. we don't want to get into a shooting war. maybe we need to step back, look at what russians are doing and look what we're doing and i know we're deconflicting with them now. that's probably as good as it will get. no fly zone, not going to happen. >> colonel francona, good to have you on and bob bear. just ahead, growing fears about the flood of syrian refugees that apparently pre vi -- provided cover. what is being done to screen them as they arrive in europe. we'll take a look at that when we come back.
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many people's fears about the growing amount of refugees and migrants from syria and other places who are coming to europe. one of the suicide bombers that attacked on friday is believed to have made his way from paris to greece last month on october 3rd passing himself off as a legitimate sierran refugee. the backlash is playing out back in the united states over the last two days, at least 24 u.s. governors announced plans to block syrian refugees from resettling. they accepted 2100 and are making new laws in 36 states. gary tuchman has one family's story. >> reporter: omar is landscaping in a new land. he is from syria and came to the united states only two months ago. how do you like the united states so far? >> very beautiful.
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>> reporter: he has three children and a wife who is expecting a fourth child but the end of the month. they lived in the city of home syria, battered and destroyed during the war. they fled the country and went to jordan and applied to coal to the united states. they got the okay to move to ohio in september. what do you want to do with your life in the united states? he says got willing i want to work and god willing my kids will study and have a good future. they are five of 47 syrians who have immigrated to the ohio area since the syrian civil war began in 20111. the whole state of ohio has a total of 76 syrians that arrived since then. now the governor of ohio says he doesn't want more syrians resettling. he is with an organization that helps to resettle immigrants into toledo. >> i have a feeling the question
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in the american system, american government because they are screening back home, you know, the homeland security are doing intensive screening on the syrian refugees or any other refugees coming to the united states. >> reporter: do you understand how some americans are concerned about syrians coming into this country? i understand he says. there is a level of fear people will have, but they wouldn't bring me here unless they knew i was a good person and knew my background. there are many people and businesses helping with the arrival of the syrian immigrants. this market hired two of the recently arrived syrian men and about to hire a third. he will continue working for the landscaping company for now but hopes to get a job as a carpenter, which is what he did in syria. he and his wife are trying to learn english, which is not nearly as easy as it is for his children. >> one, two, three, four, five,
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six, seven, eight, nine, ten. >> reporter: his father says he does not want to go back to syria and says this. i am thankful to the american government and american people for me being here. >> gary, what has his reception been like in the community when they are told a syrian immigrant is in their town. >> he speaks almost no english. if people are muttering stuff behind his back he may not know. he seen in antagonism and no mean things said to his face. he said people here have been very kind and says ohio has some of the nicest people he has ever met, anderson? >> well, gary, appreciate the report. again, one of the attackers here is believed to have entered mainland europe after arriving by boat on october 3rd. it's an entry point for many
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fleeing syria's civil war. a lot of them are coming through turkey and going to the islands in and around greece. that's the first land they actually make landfall on in europe. an overwhelming flood of people. arwa damon joins us from the island. can you describe the situation you're at right now? how many refugees are coming across the border still into europe, particularly on that island because as it gets colder and more difficult to cross, a lot of people i talked to last month on the island of lesbos said they thought the number would go down but i heard reports in reend is weeks that the numbers are remaining constant. >> not just remaining constant but actually increasing. there was a thinking that the numbers would begin to decrease, especially with the winder and crossing becoming more dangerous but this island in particular is one of the crossing areas but
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not a main one. it's a tiny island population 8,000 and according to the mayor about 500 arriving compared to lesbos. as you mentioned there where thousands upon thousands arrive on a regular basis. to give you an idea, in the first ten months of 2015, some 540,000 people crossed from turkey into greece. that's 13 times the same number that made the crossing. during that sail time period in 2014. >> so what's the screening process for somebody that arrived first? >> well, it's the same as it is on any other islands. you come in, you register, you're fingerprinted if you have an id that's great. if you don't, people investigators, investigators try to determine as best they can you're the individual who you
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claim to be. it's a far from perfect system and that's why the mayor was saying they wanted more representatives here on the ground to help them with the screening process, people that have more experience than the coast guard and the police here do have because as you were saying, they are one of the paris attackers did come through here on a fake doctored documented. he was fingerprinted but at this stage no red flags were raised and that is of course of great concern and more and more people will be capitalizing on this rout route. >> frontex takes the fingerprinting but they were so overwhelmed, they didn't have enough machines to use and electronically take the fingerprint and have it entered automatically in a database. they were getting fingerprints on pieces of paper and the question will those actually be entered into a database? is that the same problem?
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>> it is one of the problems yes and they are asking for additional and more say first kat -- sophisticated system. if there is a previous record, unless there is cross country cooperation, which there doesn't really exist between say a database in europe and the syrian government, then really even if you do try to reference these fingerprints, that's a bit of a moot point and that is just one of the many issues here but then you run into this bigger picture problem, this fear that people will try to capitalize and the polite of tens of thousands who continue to come through, who continue to flee the very same violence that it is that paris went through and these are people, families, children, who have no choice because they see that kind of violence back in their homelands every single day, anderson.
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>> yeah, no end in sight to those numbers of people coming. arwa, thank you. just ahead we'll go to a predominantly muslim neighborhood here in paris to find why some young people are attracted to a group like isis. when emergency room doctors choose an otc pain reliever for their patients muscle, back and joint pain. the medicine in advil is their #1 choice. nothing is stronger on tough pain than advil. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil.
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authorities say many of the young men that carried out the attacks were born and raised in europe so for the focus on the one terrorists that snuck in with refugees, the largest number of the terrorists that attacked on friday night, most of them were born here. many of them lived in belgium. the question of course is why these home grown terrorists were so drawn extremism. we went to a muslim neighborhood with a former extremists to find answers. how big of a problem does france have? >> chanfrance is a significant problem with the integration of
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the muslim origin population who for all purposes by the government are considered french by law but in practice, i question how successful the integration process has been. >> is there a generational thing here because often times you hear from parents who say look, i had no idea my child had become so radicalized. >> absolutely. those who are first generation are rarely from that demographic. usually it's those born and raised and something i insist we don't lose focus on, that is europe has a home grown extremism problem. yes, they may use refugees but as far as we know, these were european citizens. >> how do you stop a new generation of people from being attracted to this? is it a question of -- i mean, some people point to lack of opportunities but i can't be just that? >> it can't be just that. there is a rhetoric out there
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that needs to be challenged because of a lack of jobs or because of a lack of certain -- >> you hear that repeatedly. >> it's not that. it's more complex. that's too simplistic. that's why we must look at that, too, in case there are elements of that that come into play but actually more so than that, if a culture developed, if the anti establishment of today is jihad like it used to be and if they are wearing bin laden, it's become a brand and that brand is attracting people in its own right. it's got all the symbolisms around it, the myth of success that isis is able to propagate through social media that they are on the march and they are constantly winning. [speaking foreign language]. >> what is the appeal for young people, you think? [speaking foreign language].
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>> i guess what i don't understand is if you were born here and you grow up in this society, where does the hate come from? [speaking foreign language]. >> that's what you would say. >> we could have stopped anyone randomly and came across what i expected to hear. it's the what i refer to as the tired old rhetoric. with respect to the man, you know, it's the half truth to talk about unemployment, just to talk about, you know. >> foreign policy. >> foreign policy. >> saying it's france and foreign policy. >> in the end it's france's fault and not their fault. that's the conclusion that makes people more angry, that society because everyone is blaming france. >> i mean, we should also talk
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about the religious component to this. there is undeniable a religious component. obviously it's a sensitive subject. how do you see it? >> i think there is undeniably a link and relationship. it's as unhelpful to say this is everything to do with islam as to say it has nothing to do with islam. to recognize the relationship to justify modern day theory, that is informing muslim voices. earlier i mentioned where i agreed with president obama speech in the focus to say let's not have a huge backlash against the refugees. where i'm more concerned about his speech is where he didn't focus on this element. he didn't, unfortunately, name the challenge for what it is. when dealing with extremism, ideology, 6,000 people don't get up and join isis from a vacuum. isis didn't radicalized. isis did not radicalized those
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6,000. >> who did? >> they were already radicalized. isis said you want a caliphate? we just declared one. they already wanted a caliphate because for decades islam groups have been running around in muslim communities convincing them we need a caliphate. isis itself is an offshoot of al qaeda which is an offshoot of many organizations working in europe unchecked and what we failed to recognize is that this is a fully blown jihad insurgency there are people primed overnight that the french authorities say they are monitoring 11,000 people. where does that number come from? >> so president obama talked about what people in the muslim community need to do. i'm wondering what you thought, does he go far enough and are you seeing that within the muslim community? >> a lot more needs to be done on this front and it starts by recognizing and we can't defeat something or challenge something we can't name. it does start with that. i worry sometimes -- >> naming radical list m. >> yes.
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>> the legal response, the war response, we cannot shoot our way out of the problem. it has to be a civil society push back against the brand and ideology. >> that's not sthaomething that happens overnight or people understand and not as satisfying as bombing the hell out of somebody. >> we didn't get here overnight. they were primed by decades of grass roots. this problem has been festering and boiling. >> appreciate you being here. >> thank you very much, delighted. >> just ahead, a doctor and former columnist whose co-workers at charlie hebdo was murdered by terrorists ten months ago, we met him back then and on friday night he was a first responder like at charlie hebdo and he shares what he saw this friday and his determination to carry on to go on living despite he and other french have been through.
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standing together in their pain trying to hold on to hope and they have been through this before. we know that, it's been ten months since the attacks on charlie hebdo days after terrorists stormed the office and killed 12 people. i talked to a man who i talked to a man named patrick pelu, a columnist at "charlie hebdo." here is what he told me then. [ speaking foreign language ]. [ speaking foreign language ].
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>> "charlie hebdo" has continued, though he no longer works there. he's now focusing on his medical work. on friday night, he was one of the first responders when his city was attacked again. i spoke to him earlier. the night of the attacks, where were you? [ speaking foreign language ]. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> what sort of injuries were you seeing? what sort of wounds? [ speaking foreign language ].
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>> i understand you saw one woman who had nine gunshot wounds. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> did she make it? for you to see this yet again, what was it like? [ speaking foreign language ].
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[ speaking foreign language ]. >> there is much defiance. many people here speak of defiance continuing and to see a cafe open and people sitting outside so soon after -- this is the resistance. speaking foreign language ] >> it's important? to continue to live? [ speaking foreign language ].
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but only a few moves to master paying bills on technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. at least 129 people lost their lives. so far, one american has been identified. she's 23 years old. she is a design student at california state university in long beach. she was studying abroad for this semester, was outside one of the restaurants of the terrorist attack. earlier, i talked to her mom and her stepdad, beatrice gonzalez and jose. >> what do you want people to
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know about nohemi? >> i want people to know she was a wonderful girl, a wonderful daughter. she was an example for a lot of people out there. i've got so many good things i could say about her. but it's -- it's very sad that she's not here and knowing that she was wonderful, a wonderful daughter. she was a good example for a lot of kids out there in the community. >> and beatrice, i can't imagine what you have been going through these last few days. how are you coping with this? >> i -- my faith, helping me to go through all this. it was my only daughter. she's 23 and is my youngest.
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and i just go in with my pain day by day. and by seeing her right now, it's -- it's hard for me. it's hard for me even to talk and i never thought that it is going to be us today right here. suffering all this pain for our lost. >> pain no parent should ever, ever have to live through. that does it for us tonight. cnn with don lemon starts right now. >> thank you very much, anderson. 4:00 tuesday morning where you are. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. it's now 80 hours since terrorists struck the french capital. anderson cooper has the latest on the investigation. he's there now live. anderson, bring us up to date.