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with you. our live coverage of the paris terror attacks continues right now with michael holmes and amara walker. continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. i'm amara walker. >> i'm michaels holmes. it is just before sun rise in france. a country that president francois hollande says is at war against terrorism. authorities leading a global manhunt at this hour for 26-year-old salah abdeslam. >> interior ministry released new pictures of the man believed to be the eighth attacker on friday. and meanwhile, authorities now say isis leaders may have been directly involved in planning the attacks. one of them is this man, abdel
hamid abaaoud described as a mastermind and close to isis leader al baghdadi. >> they rented an apartment in a paris suburb one week before the atta attacks. carrying out dozen of raids of suspected terrorists and belgium raising the terror threat level to three out of four. >> activists in raqqah, syria, say they're launching more air strikes against isis targets. one group says they counted seven new strikes in the isis stronghold tuesday. u.s. president barack obama is now in the philippines before leaving the g20 summit in turkey. he defended his antiisis strategy saying it's would be a mistake to put u.s. boots on the ground in syria to fight the terror group. >> frederik pleitgen is live for news paris this pre-dawn hour. fred, let's start with mr. hollande saying that france is at war with isis and we're
hearing about more war strikes in raqqah. what have you heard? >> yeah, we certainly are. good morning, michael. good morning, amara. paris on this tuesday morning is still reeling from the terror attacks, a great deal of concern on the street but there is also a great deal of defiance. of course, michael, some of that comes also after the speech that francois hollande gave yesterday which where he did say that france was at war with isis and france would step up the air campaign, increase air strigs. appears to be something that we saw late last night as well. as you mentioned it, there were air strikes on isis targets in raqqah, in isis' self-cle de claired capital in syria. that happened overnight. seven air strikes in total. the information that we're getting from groups like for instance raqqah is being slaughtered silently is apparently those air strikes focused mostly around the southern part of the city. some isis positions there.
some of them accounted at least three major explosions that happened there. but of course, one of the things that the french said, mr. hollande said the french say they are in this for the long run. one of the key phrases from the speech that hollande gave yesterday to the french parliament is he said terror will not destroy france but france will destroy the terrorists. of course, the other thing that we also said, michael, was he said that in no way is france at war with islam. they are at war with terrorism. michael? >> and, fred, as this investigation moves forward we're getting new details about the suspected mastermind behind this attack and the fact these attacks were apparently planned in syria. >> yeah, absolutely. and the mastermind is abdelhamid abaaoud. some people seem to believe. he certainly is someone who is very high up within isis. he's someone who also has been accused by the belgians. he's a belgian citizen.
has been accused of planning attacks in the past. he's actually been sentenced in absentia for planning attacks in belgium and in france. he's been tied to several plots that have happened in those places in the past. and one of the interesting things that we've been hearing from french authorities is that they believe that if hamid abaaoud was involved in all this they believe that abu bakr al baghdadi would be giving his blessings for this as well. in the u.s. officials are increasing security in the nation's capital after isis also threatened to attack washington. our own jim schuitto has details on the suspected ring leader of friday's attacks and the missed signals by french authorities. >> reporter: this say french officials is one of the possible ring leaders of the paris attacks. heard saying in this terror video he enjoys spilling the blood of infidels.
he is abdelhamid abaaoud, a close confidante of isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi. john is france aer former top terror judge. >> this guy is actually very close to the chief, to him, to baghdadi himself. for me, for me, but not evidence about that, but this huge attack has been issued or approved by al baghdadi himself. >> reporter: in a terror video isis is threatening to bring bloodshed to the streets of the u.s. >> translator: i swear to god a similar day that france went through, you will go through. i swear to god as we struck france in its stronghold, paris, we will strike america in its stronghold, washington. >> reporter: today cia director
john brennen says the u.s. the taking the threat seriously. >> i would anticipate that is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. and security intelligence services right now in europe and other places are working feverishly to see what else they can do in terms of uncovering it. >> reporter: as the u.s. and europe prepare for more plots, france is now counting the missed signals for friday's deadly rampage. at least two of the attackers were known to french police. one more terror offenses, the other for being radicalized. six of the attackers are believed to have traveled to sir y ia around returned to europe. one crossed along with thousands of refugees through a major migrant entry point in greece. in addition, the suspected ring leader a bul was seen on the right with these two isis fighters who were later killed in a shootout with belgian police in january. the french authorities say they are simply overwhelmed.
today the list of suspected terrorists and others who have been radicalized in france has grown to some 11,000. >> we know that there t. french citizens coming back from syria, that might be a threat against french is it shcitizens. we know also that french citizens are in french that have never been to syria or iraq and might be a threat against french citizen. >> that was our own jim schuitto reporting there. of course, all this comes as the investigation is still going forward as on top of the fact that apparently the security services seem to have missed some links before the attack happened. they are now of course trying to round up and trying to catch those who might still at large. we've already talked about the man hunt that's going on for salah abdeslam at large here in europe but of course the security forces, the police are searching for anybody else possibly involved with this plot. michael and amara.
>> thanks very much. we'll check in with you later. as you mentioned earlier, activists in syria say they are seeing more air strikes on isis targets. senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has the details. >> inside the city of raqqah, raqqah slaughtered silently, seven air strikes beginning at about 10:00 there local time. 3:00 p.m. in the united states. now, they are pretty reliable, frankly. they were first t. report the air strikes the night before last when french first launched their most substantial onslaught against what is an isis terms, the capital of their self-declared caliphate. the french two nights ago launched a total of 20. about 24 were counted on the ground but so far at this stage this night it's total of 7. we're told they predominantly focus on the southern side of the city. we don't know exactly what they've hit. we're getting better visibility as to what occurred the night
before that with the first french onslaught where it was predominantly focused on the areas around the city center. but two targets in the middle. the stadium and the museum. known as that, but they don't do those jobs anymore. headquarters and jails that isis use. it isn't clear who have been doing the strikes this night, the seven new ones. it could be the french, potentially, although there's no immediate word from them. it's could be the coalition who tends to announce strikes in the later date in a press release. it could be the russian or the syrian regime. they haven't really been exhausting themselves in trying to attack the biggest attack in isis at this stage. so still the notion now we could be in more pro trabted focus of coalition or other antiisis bombing against the capital raqqah. we faux that inside the city isis adopted their behavior for quite some time, not coming out so much as fighters in daylight
to avoid drones or exposed streets to make visibility of them tough as well. we understand from the same antiisis activists, they believe there were no civilian casualties from the strikes the night before last, although isis may have suffered some themselves. more information though i'm sure will come out in the hours ahead as exactly what these new seven air strikes against raqqah did. nick paton walsh, cnn, irbil. >> isis has been clear about what it wants to do in the u.s. and in europe. but just why the group wants to attack the west is a more complicated question. >> graeme wood blames the end of times mentality. we spoke to him earlier about that. >> they think the end of times is coming and that they're part of it. and that one of the events that will really signal the start, the kickoff of the big battles
of the end of times is going to be an attack of crusaders muslims. and so when they hear that france is attacking them, the united states is attacking them, they think, all right, the time is here. bring it on. god will come down on our side. >> and we often hear and the president has said this and others, isis is nonislamic. denying that, you write they are, in fact, very islamic. >> yeah. and by saying they're very islamic doesn't mean they represent slam. i don't believe they have -- i'm not saying they have the right version of islam. but we really need to understand where they're coming from. and when they reach into the kind of grab bag of history that they use to justify their actions, they reach into islamic history. they look into islamic texts. and they read these texts quite closely. again, most muslims will say
they read them incorrectly. if we really want to understand where they're coming from we have to notice that actually they're taking it pretty seriously and looking within the traditions of islam to find justifications for what they're doing. >> therefore, is the west in some ways playing into isis' hands? >> in a way, yeah. when we decide that it's time to take a strong line against isis and invade or attack more vigorously, then in some ways we're doing what they want. you know, they have a great deal of confidence that if there's a battle between us and them, they will win. they may not be right, of course. but, you know, they want to frame this as a fight between islam and christians. islam and apostate muslims. there are things we could do to make that thenarrative they proe is a reality. >> again to that point how best to counter that ideology, make
it less enticing to the young disenfranchised muslims. >> it's going to be difficult to do. isis is offering those young disenfranchised muslims a view of the world that's actually really exciting. if they're able to say to those people, look, you can join us as we fight an apocalyptic battle, this is a thrilling thing. the best we can do in response is say, you can stay at home and workmenial job or maybe not work any job at all, then we really haven't been able to propose anything to counter t eer excit they're able to give. >> we in the west look at paris and say they're out to g get us, which is certainly true. but they're out to get other muslim, nonsunni, if not more. >> absolutely. most of the victim of isis have been muslims. al qaeda, they are muslims as well. sunni muslims. but the real victims of isis
have been muslims who they have declared as apostates because they fight them because they're shia. overwhelmingly those are the dead bodies isis have piled up for us. >> if not boots on the ground, what? >> well, that's a very good question. it's the difficult one. i think one answer is probably proxies. the most successful fighters against isis so far have been the kurds. shia militias are somewhat less attractive partner for us. and then some would propose, not me, also, being satisfied with bashar al-assad as well in syria. i do think we need to look at partners that we have on the ground and find options that are syri syrian, that are iraqi, and that are not just a replayed of the failed invasion and occupation of the 2000s in iraq. >> graham wood there speaking to us earlier. short break now. when whoa come back a growing number of u.s. states say they're opposed to letting in syrian refugees. >> but can the states actually
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meantime, as you can see, warplanes carried out seven new air strikes on isis positions in raqqah, syria. france's president francois hollande vowed to intensify the attacks. he called for a u.n. security council meeting to discuss the worldwide threat posed by isis. now, of course we have to keep in mind in all of this is that it's the people here who suffered the most. there are still stories coming outs of people at the scene of those attacks in absolute despair. there's a new video surfaced from the scene at the bataclan theater, the deadliest site of the paris attacks. it captures the terror as people tried to escape and also shows an act of incredible courage. anderson cooper has the details. >> reporter: the woman hanging from the window is clearly desperate. she shouts out that she's
pregnant. on the street below there's chaos and confusion. concert goers spilling out into an alleyway. some are seen lying on the ground. others run for their lives. the woman hanging from the window begs for help, unable to pull herself up from the ledge. on the street below the chaos continues. severely wounded people are being dragged to safety. a man hobbling, struggling to escape. then again, more shots.
and more panicked concert goers pour into the streets. their footsteps echo against the pavement. the shooting continues. then after more than two minutes the camera captures a man on a nearby ledge tentatively making his way back into the theater, pulling the lady to safety. the man says she has since reached out to him to thank him for safing her life and the life of her baby. the last image we see, two men struggling to pull another victim out of the street. >> some horrible scenes taking place. that was our own anderson cooper reporting. i spoke to some of the other people who survived the siege of the but a clan theater who hid in places to get away from the
gunmen. they just described that utter sense of vulnerability as they were hiding out just hoping that those gunmen wouldn't find them, knowing that they were killing lots of people and, of course, hearing all this as it unfolded. >> this is still a country feeling very vulnerable at this time as well. frederik pleitgen, thank you. >> debate over allowing syrian refugees into the united states has been intensifying in the wake of these attacks and the number of state governors are making it clear those refugees are not welcome. >> the states highlighted in red, we're going to show you, now say they are opposed to accepting refugees from the war-torn country. that's more than 20 u.s. governors. postal mostly republican. this follows concern one terrorist entered europe fleeing syria. >> here are a look at the state saying they affirmed their willingness to accept syrian
refugees. a lot fewer. u.s. president barack obama also weighing in calling suggestions that there should be a religious test for refugees. shameful. >> we spoke with cnn's senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin about the resistance and we asked him if u.s. states can actually refuse to accept them. >> as a technical legal matter i think the answer is clearly no. the issue of immigration, people coming into the united states from outside the country, is under the exclusive control of the president. the president, the state department, the immigration service, they are all in charge of who comes into the country. once they are inside the country, one of the signatures of the united states is we don't have barriers between states. there are no border guards between new york and new jersey.
so people then have free passage. that's the legalities of it. the politics of it are more complicated. >> how will this play out? if you have governors of at least 24 states announcing that near not going to accept syrian refugees even though the obama administration announce they'd would be allows another 10,000 syrians in next year and you have these states refusing to cooperate. what do you see happening? >> well, i think this is a difficult problem because the white house, the administration could simply bulldoze the process through. they could send these people only to states that have agreed to accept them. that's one possibility. the way this process usually works is that there is a complicated lengthy background check that these people go through. often it can take as much as two years. and it's difficult to do these background checks because you can't exactly call the syrian government and ask for people's
backgrounds. these people are refugees. and the syrian government scarcely exists and it has no relations with this united states. so it's difficult to look into people's backgrounds. but the way the process usually works is they do these background checks and then, once these people arrive in the united states, they are turned over to social service agencies, church groups, non-profit organizations that specialize in refugee settlement. those are the groups that interact with the states and they are going to be the ones who may or may not be able to settle people in every state. >> i want to get your take on this and i guess maybe a legal perspective obviously about ted cruz who is a republican presidential hopeful calling, you know, on only christian syrian refugees to be allowed into the united states but not the muslim. and we heard the president's response that this is quite shameful and it's not an american thing to do. >> yeah, you know, i usually try
to avoid cat gore call judgments because i'm not a judge. if there is one bed rock tradition in the united states is that the government cannot draw lines between religions and say this one's okay and this one is not. so i think ted cruz' proposal is, frankly, much more an appeal to conservative voters in iowa than a serious proposal that could ever get through congress, much less approved by the courts. you know, people's backgrounds can and should be investigated. and that's entirely appropriate. but to make a category call judgment that one religion is okay and one religion isn't, that is, to use a phrase that sometimes is a little controversial, that's really unamerican. >> with remembering as we're discussing with jeffrey, you've got to see a lot of these coming through the prism of an election
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welcome back to our breaking news coverage. france continues its rapid and dramatic increase in security. >> president france kois hollande wants the state of emergency to stay in place three months. that's going to allow authorities to limit people's movements and also impose zones of protection. now, he's also asking for measures to allow france to deport suspected terrorists or even strip them of their citizenship. >> even if they were born on french soil. he spoke monday at a joint parliament session. >> translator: france is at war. the act s committed in paris on friday evening, these are acts of war. >> meanwhile, the u.s. president barack obama has just landed in manila for the economic cooperation summit, security ramped up even more in light of the paris attacks. >> he is coming from the g20
summit in turkey where talk focused heavily as you would expect on bringing peace to syria which has seen heavy isis violence. senior international correspondent frederik pleitgen has more in paris. >> one of the big questions that's been asked since these attacks is has the global community really done enough to combat isis ever since it came on the scene in 2014. had there been enough resources, has there been enough cooperation, has countries like the u.s., russia, iran, and turkey, have they come together enough and coordinated their efforts enough to actually defeat this group? now, of course, one of the things that's been going on is that in the wake of the paris terror attacks there has been growing criticism of the u.s. strategy to combat isis. u.s. president though says it is working and he plans to stay the course. our own jim acosta has more.
>> a news conference wrapping up, president obama says the war on isis has entered a new more aggressive phase after the paris attacks and defended his strategy for me feeting the terror group, a battle plan that has once again come under withering criticism. on the defensive but staying the course. president obama responded to the attack on paris determined to keep and expand his plan to defeat ice isis. >> there are be an intensification of the strategy put forward but the strategy we are putting forward is the strategy that is going to ultimately work. but as i said from the start, it's going to take time. rrp preside >> reporter: president responded, arguing those detractors are proposing what he's already doing. >> folks want to pop off and have opinions about what they think they would do, present a specific plan. >> reporter: but mr. obama brushed off calls to pour thousands of u.s. troops into iraq and syria, saying that
would only repeat past mistakes. the president was visibly annoyed that a strategy was even questioned. >> why can't we take out these pa pa bastards. >> we can retake territory and as long as we leave our troops there, we can hold it. but that does not solve the underlying problem of eliminating that dynamics that are producing these kinds of violent extremist groups. >> reporter: the president also defended the assessment he made just days before the attacks in france, that isis had been contained. maintaining the terrorist army has lost ground. he denied that he misjudged isis from the start, despite once describing the group as the jv team. >> there has been acute awareness on the part of my administration from the start that they would have the capabilities to potentially
strike in the west. >> reporter: the president also weighed in on the discovery at least one of the paris attackers had posed as a syrian refugees, insisting the u.s. should not keep out those fleeing from isis. >> many of the refugees are victim of terrorism themselves. that's what they're fleeing. slamming the door on their faces would be a betrayal of our values. >> reporter: without mentioning his critics by name mr. obama snapped at jeb bush and ted cruz who urged a focus on aiding christian migrants. >> when i hear folks say that, well, maybe we should just admit the christians but not the muslims. we don't have religious tests to our compassion. >> what's the most responsible way to do that? >> reporter: president noted marco rubio called for a halt to syrian migrants to the u.s. is the son of cuban refugees. >> when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political
persecution, that's shameful. >> reporter: time and again the president promised the white house along with the u.s. intelligence community is working urgently to thwart every possible threat to the homeland. >> we'll do what's required to keep the american people safe. >> reporter: the president next heads to asia where his planned agenda will pull him away from the war on isis even if that fight will hikely overshadow the rest of his trip. jim acosta, cnn, traveling with the president in turkey. >> and of course the fight against isis is something on the minds of many people here in paris, something people here are debating. we've seen that here on the ground as well. michael and amara. >> fred pleitgen in paris once again. thanks so much. according to french media the country's military has just announced new air strikes against isis targets in raqqah, syria. >> the defense ministry says ten planes dropped 16 bombs in and around the city. france has been conducting
bombing missions in raqqah since sunday, of course. and the u.s. president barack obama we have been hearing is defending his anti-isis strategy. >> and again, he is vowing no u.s. boots on the ground in syria. cnn military analyst lieutenant colonel rick francona joining us now from palm springs, california. great to have you on the program. just getting word from local media reports that france has launched fresh air strikes in syria. we know that hollande said that france will destroy terrorism. will air strikes be enough? >> no. and they've not proven to be effective, that effective in the past. i think we should really take a look at when we say the french are conducting air strikes. french are conducting air straks a. air strikes are being conducted under the umbrella at u.s.-led coalition. the targets would have been struck anyway, whether by jordanian aircraft, french aircraft. the french are taking more
participation, and i think that's good. we always welcome that. but what the french are doing is not going to change the situation on the ground in syria. it's not going to change the situation in raqqah. >> and the thing i suppose, rick, too, when we talk about boots on the ground and the president doesn't want american boots on the ground. the russians, they're there to defend assad, not so much bomb isis. you've got those in the gulf nations. they're accuse of fostering the sunni extremism that isis thrives on. the turks don't more worried about the kurds than isis and the kurds are more worried about their turf than spilling blood for arab causes. whose boots are going to be on the ground? >> that's the big question, michael. everybody realizes that we can't do this from the air alone. there has to be a ground om component. you raised -- you mentioned a few possibilities. the kurds, and the kurds are the most effective fighters over there right now. they've been very successful using american air power,
kurdish boots on the ground. but the kurds are not interested in moving out of areas that they aren't going -- don't control or are going to control. so then who is going to be the boots on the ground in syria? we've tried to find moderate rebels that we can support, that we can train. we saw how misably that program failed. i think there's a new initiative by putting the 50 special forces personnel in to syria to work with the locals. special forces have a core mission that we don't really talk about much, called foreign internal defense. their job is to go in there and train locals. not to be the fighters be you the train the fighters that are going to be the boots on the ground. that 50 fighters doing that 50 special forces officers doing this is not going to be enough. it will take a long time for that to happen. so we really have no good options in syria. if you look at the talks between the united states and russia, there's a possibility that we may come to some agreement and work together against isis. but that's going to require us and the russians to decide what
happens to us. you put your finger right on the problem there. the russians aren't there to fight isis. the russians are there to prop up and supportbashar assad. they want to maintain a base in syria. we have all of these competing interests working against each other and isis is not contained. >> compounds the issue when you have so many competing interests there. lieutenant colonel francona, thank you. when we come back, without a trace. intelligence analysts tell cnn they can't find any communications between the paris attackers. >> were they using encryption on the dark web? we're going to talk with a cyber security expert when we come back.
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. welcome back. one of the mysteries confounding investigators about the paris attacks is the total lack of communication trail. >> multiple u.s. officials tell cnn none of the bombers identified so far appears on any u.s. watch list. intelligence analysts combing through internet chatter, e-mail, and the likes have turned up no sign that the attackers even communicate with each other. >> and so, attention is focusing on the internet dark side, apps, browsers, and other devices that encrypt electronic communications and that intelligence agency can be very difficult if not impossible to break or even find. >> prominent internet security analyst, founder and ceo of ssp blue, leading online security consulting firm. he is joining us now from our los angeles bureau. great to have you.
thank you for your time. for those of us not exactly computer experts, tell us how terrorists are able to hide their communication to go dark, to evade surveillance. >> a lot of analysts and a lot of the experts out there are saying right now that they went dark by using encryption and they must be working with highly technical individuals joining the islamic state and making this happen. the reality is, i think they're using off the shelf technology. there are plenty of applications out there right now that encrypt end to end communication. what that means is from the beginning when i start texting or talking, all the way to the end when you start hearing it on the other side and there's nothing you can do in the, you know, near future, near future means the next 200 years to actually break that. and these things are available to our children. they're available to adults in america, around the world, and
now it's obvious it's more than obvious that the terrorists are using it to as a way to communicate and decide where the next blow-up is going to be. >> the thorny issue, my 16-year-old son uses it, edward snowden has mentioned a couple messaging apps that do this as well. the thorny issue is, you go to apple and say, okay, ban what's app and kick and wicker and all the other ones. with all the freedom implications that presents. particularly in the united states. >> well, that's a great topic. and i will say this. it's a great topic to have a discussion around when you have not in a state of international war. because right now what isis has done is in essence declare at state of war against every country or every citizen that doesn't believe in the same things they believe in. it's not a matter of, well, change your ideology, it's a matter of we are going to blow up your women and children.
so the real question i think we should be asking is not whether we should go to an apple or android and say, hey, what's going on here? should we or should we not? the first question is are we coming to that state in our society where we're entering into almost like a mar sal law or a state of such emergency where certain questions that we used to debate now become critical for us to simply move forward on and say, we can't give the enemy a simple tool that's commercially created for financial reasons to create in our society and say, you can have it and you can blow us up with it by communicating through it and we won't do anything to stop it. i think the real question then becomes what is our moral compass as a business community, as technology community, as a platform thatle allows it becau in many ways these companies have the kill switch in their hand. turn it off. that communication disappears. yes, it will disappear for your
teenage son, my kids, it will disappear. the real question is is the communication stopping, worse than like. in my mind keeping them alive becomes much more important than deciding right now in the given state we're in, on how they're communicating. >> really is alarming that terrorists do have this option to go dark and authorities can't do much about it at this point. great having you. thank you for your time. >> thanks. i want to mention one other thing, too, that caught our eye. the shadowy international hackers network, anonymous, declaring a war of its own on isis. and they do know what they're doing. it has released this, a french language video on youtube following the paris attacks saying we will hunt you down. >> and using isis' arabic name, anonymous tweeted this. make no mistake, anonymous is at war with daesh. we won't stop opposing islamic state, we're also better hackers.
>> they have already taken on 3800 isis twitter accounts. there's been a lot of criticism of twitter for not doing that themselves enough, too. these accounts pop up sometimes taken down, sometimes they're not. >> it's interesting to see that hacking groups typically that are enemies, right, are becoming allies in at least the fight against isis online. >> exactly. and they are good at it. after "charlie hebdo" they had success against isis. >> they did. right. thousands of people in france have joined a life-saving effort after the deadly terror attacks. >> what they're doing, just ahead. stay with us. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪
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welcome back, everyone. you're watching our ongoing coverage of the aftermath of the terror attacks here in paris. i'm fred pleitgen coming to you from the he me at this time right in the heart of the cat tall. thousands of people are showing their solidarity sharing their blood in the attacks. >> 12 hour after the bloody attacks in paris the line
outside just one of the 20 blood donation centers in the city was 300 yards long. by the end of the first day, without issuing an appeal for donors, 200 had volunteered at this center alone, four times the normal number. >> doctors have seen people come out spontaneously to give blood in the past in the attacks of the "charlie hebdo," the crash at the concorde, but never, never, they say like this. 36-year-old who lived in 15 years in france not far away from where the terrorist attacks took place, was on her way to lay flower at the memorial but she decided on the spur of the moment to do something on a much more practical level. >> some people are at the hospital right now in serious conditions. and i was just thinking, what can i do? >> reporter: betty ash whose parents came from algeria said she was just shocked at the brutality of the attacks. >> when i saw the images, the
rest wants, i mean, places i used to go with my friends, so, yes, i was -- i was in shock. i thought that we were safe in a big city like paris. but i guess we are not safe anywhere now. >> reporter: betty ash like one out of five people here who have given blood over the last few days had never given blood before and the doctor says that included a great number of young people. >> translator: it's encouraging. many young were very sensitive to what happened. there were many young victims after all. that will give us new donors for the future and to expand our list of donors in france. >> reporter: the doctor says the nation's blood supply is normal despite the huge demand created by friday's tragedy. perhaps because the country 10,000 donors have come forward since the attacks. many no doubt like she who just wanted to do something useful.
jim bittermann, cnn, paris. >> amazing spirit of solidarity here after those awful attacks. that's certainly something we can see here on the ground where there is of course concern. there's a lot of anger at the attack attackers, but of course sympathy with those effected. >> a lot of good in the face of evil that we're seeing. thanks to fred pleitgen for that. >> we will be right back at the top of the hour though with more live coverage of the events in paris. you're watching cnn.
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welcome, everyone, to cnn's continuing live coverage of the terror attacks in paris. i'm michael holmes. >> i'm amara walker. french investigators are uncovering new limpgs at this hour between the men who carried out friday's attacks a isis leaders in syria. sources say a belgian man abdelhamid abaaoud was the mastermind behind the attacks. >> they believe he was in direct contact with isis chief abu bakr
al baghdadi. looking for 26-year-old salah abdesl abdeslam. they released new pictures of the man believed to be the eighths attacker during the rampage in paris on friday. >> french media report the attackers rented an apartment in a paris suburb just one week before the attacks. authorities in france and belgium are carrying out dozens of raids on suspected terrorists and others who may have information. belgium has raised its terror threat level to three out of four. >> according to media reports france says it has launched more air strikes on isis targets in the terror dprogroup self-decla capital. ten planes dropped 16 bombs in and around raqqah on tuesday. senior international correspondent fred pleitgen is live for us in paris. and people on the ground there reporting these air strikes as well. fill us in on what you've heard.
>> well, exactly, michael. the people on the ground there, especially the people from the group that we get so much information on called raqqah is being slaughtered silently are saying there was a flurry of air strikes and most of them happened in the southern parts of raqqah, of isis' self-declared capital there in the east of syria. now, they're also saying they witnessed several very large explosions at this point in time. it's unclear how many militants, how many people might have been killed and also what was hit in those air strikes. but of course, it comes a day just one day after the french really stepped up their air strikes, dropping over 20 bombs on the isis capital of raqqah and certainly after the french president francois hollande avowed that france will step up pressure on isis and fraps was going to be in this for the long run, michael. >> and what else are we learning about the terrorists who were behind these attacks as we understand it, these attacks were planned in syria.
and there is a suspected mastermind in this. >> yes. certainly. the suspected mastermind abdelhamid abaaoud was one of the people suspect oefd being the mastermind. although he's someone very well known to authorities? in belgium. someone in the past implicated in other terror plots there as well. of course one of the interesting things that investigators have found out which is very shocking to them is that several of the people of the attackers here from paris also traveled to syria themselves and then managed to come back. i was in one neighborhood yesterday in the south of france where one of these attackers was from. it really is quite a nondisscript area. people were shocked. his parents had gone to the authorities and said, please help us. our son has been radicalized and has gone to syria. now, a lot is being reported about the people who were the perpetrators of these attacks and our own nic robertson has the latest on those terrorists
who are the suspects. >> eight suspects, seb of them now dead. according to cnn's french affiliate bfm-tv six spent time in syria. they carry out friday's attacks in multiple locations across paris, broken into three groups. three suicide bombers attacked the stade de france, among them, bilal hafdi, a belgian said to be 19 or 20 years old. ahmed almohammad if that's his real name, came from syria posing as a refugee, traveling on a fake or doctored passport. at the bataclan concert hall, a second group, i male omar mostefai, spent years in the city. also, sammy amimour born in a paris suburb.
police say mostefai had a criminal record, radicalized. but had never been accuse of terrorism. amimour was the subject of an international arrest warrant and placed under supervision after traveling to yemen in 2012. the second suspect detonated his bomb. the paris prosecutors office has identified the attacker as a 31-year-old french citizen but hasn't disclosed his name. sources tell cnn it was 31-year-old ibrahim,abdeslam. according to multiple sources abdeslam rented a black car authorities say was used in a string of deadly attacks on rest rans and bars on friday. that car was later found abandoned in a paris suburb with three kalashnikov automatic rifles inside. after being questioned in belgium one of abdeslam's brothers spoke to bfm-tv.
>> translator: you also need to understand that in spite of the tragedy my parents are in shock. we do not realize yet what has happened. my family and i are effected by what happened. we found out by tv just like many of you. we did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. >> reporter: a third brother, salah abdeslam, 26-year-old belgian national, may be the eighth suspect in the attacks. he remains at large. the subject of an international manhunt. and french police warn, he is dangerous. nic robertson, cnn, paris. >> our own nic robertson reporting there. as you can see this is a very complex investigation that the police here and the authorities are leading. one of course that spans belgium as well as france. one that has ties to syria and one that also is increasingly showing that there seems to be a great degree of sophistication not just in the weapons that were used but also in the plot
and the planning themselves. michael and amara. >> frederik pleitgen with the latest from paris. in the meantime, french president francois hollande wants the country's state of emergency to stay in place for three months. and that allows authorities to limit people's movements and impose zones of protection. >> he's also asking for measures to allow france to deport suspected terrorists, or strip them of their citizenship even if they were born on french soil. he spoke monday op on a joint parliamentary session. >> translator: france is at war. the acts committed in paris on friday evening, these are acts of war. >> meanwhile, according to french media the country's military has just announced new air strikes against isis targets in raqqah, syria. the defense ministry says ten planes dropped 16 bombs in and around the city. >> france has been conducting
bombing missions in raqqah since sunday. >> a short time ago we spoke with curt volcker, ambassador to nato, and we asked him whether france would invoke article v and ask nato to support their fight against isis. >> well, there are two different things. one of them is being at war. the other is invoking your alliance commitments through article v of the nato treaty. i think the fact that france says that it is at war, it has adopted this as a mission for france, that it needs to defeat this kind of islamist terrorism is a good thing. that is refreshing. we need to defend our own value, our own societies, our own democracies, not lose sight of that. the second question is whether should this be properly a nato activity or not. that's a more complicated question. there are plenty of countries outside of nato who similarly have an interest and a regional stake in fighting isis.
that could be jordan, that could be saudi arabia, that could be lebanon. so there might be others that we would want to involve who are not part of nato. at the same time, they're going to be countries in nato that are not going to be able to contribute very much to these sorts of operations. so it's not clear that making it nato is a great idea. in addition, you risk playing into isis' own hands. what they've desperately want is to puff themselves up as the defender of islam. and if we make this a nato operation that looks like a christian europe against a muslim middle east, that runs the risk of playing into isis' hands to puff them up as the other thing on the muslim side of the equag. >> i take it that you would disagree with james who wrote a piece in foreignpolicy.com, former supreme allied commander for europe saying that it is time for nato a act against isis
and attacks in paris were an attack on the world? >> well, i read jim's article. and i certainly have great respect for him and i think he made excellent points, including describing the process, which is so important for people to understand how this stuff works. but here's the thing i would say about that. there's a political dimension that goes on top of that that is going to come initially from france. nothing will happen at nato unless france asks. and france is going to be considering the costs and the benefits of getting nato involved. what jim is saying is that all of us, all of us in the west, all of us who believe in democracies, all of us who share these values, we should be fighting on the same side together. i completely agree with that. nato is a particular instrument that has a way of including certain countries and ruling out certain countries. and i'm not sure that the french are going to want to invoke
nato. i don't think we should be wetted to that. if they do, we should be fully supportive. we benefited from this ourselves after 9/11. that we asked for nato's article v response and nato agreed. and then two years went by. we went for two years in operation "enduring freedom wt without using nato before we asked nato to come in and that was because we preferred a coalition of the willing. i would flly respect that france would think the same thing at this point in time and we should be as supportived a as possible. >> i suppose consultations have been taking place considering they are strong allies and, besides that, president obama saying that we would not be seb sending additional troops to syria. >> yes, two separate things gab. one, your woint about consultations. i'm sure that's right. i'm sure there have been multiple conversations with the french about what their concerns
are, what their predispositions are towards what sorts of action, how they would want to go about that. i'm quite confident that, in fact, our government is going to be as supportive as possible of what the french want to do. the second thing is the comment about president obama about ruling out troops on the ground yet again. here i have to say as much as i understand why he wants to draw that line in the sand against u.s. troops, i think it's a mistake tactically to do that. i think that we should never signal what we're willing to do and what we're not willing to do. we should instead define a strategic goal and then figure out what's necessary to achieve that goal, whatever it takes, with whomever it takes. whatever allies we need. and i don't think we have yet still, even after these attacks in paris, adopted that degree of commitment. and i think that now is the opportunity. now is the chance for us to stand along side the french who have suffered what we suffered
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in the u.s. the debate over allowing syrian refugees has intensified since the attacks and a number of state governors are making it clear they are not welcome. >> the states highlighted there on that graphic in red say that they are opposed to accepting rf refugees from the war-torn country. this follows concern that one of the paris terrorists entered europe posing as a refugee
fleeing syria. >> now we want to give you a look at the states that have stated they are willing to accept syrian refugees. not very many. u.s. president barack obama has also weighed in, calling suggestions that there should be a religious test for refugees shameful. >> out of the more than two dozen u.s. gov mores who say they are opposed to letting syrian refugees into their states all but one happened to be republican. >> our dana bash takes a look at the debate and who is weighing in. >> we cannot let them come into this country, period. >> reporter: it's a sentiment spreading like wildfire now in both parties. no syrian refugees in the u.s. >> we can't have another problem. and this could be one of the great trojan horses. >> reporter: governors across the country are now taking matters into their own hands, closing their state borders from alabama to arkansas to indiana, michigan, and more. >> i am now request that the president and federal government
cease sending refugees from syria to north carolina. >> reporter: texas governor greg abbott announced his state will not accept refugees from syria precisely as president obama was speaking on the matter in turkey. >> when i hear political leaders suggest that there would be a religious test for which a person who is fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that's shameful. >> reporter: that a thinly veiled hit on presidential candidate ted cruz. >> i have to say particularly in light of what happened in paris, that's nothing short of lunacy. >> reporter: cruz whose father fled to the u.s. from cuba told us today he will introduce legislation this week banning syrian muslim refugees from america. what would have happen fed your father was trying to get from
cuba to the united states and the political leaders here said, nope, we don't think so because who knows, maybe you could be somebody who could, you know, commit crimes against americans? >> see, that's why it's important to define what it is we're fighting. my father were part of a critical movement like radical islamism that promoting murdering anyone who doesn't share your extreme faith or forcibly converting them, it would make perfect sense. one of the people who carried out this terrorist attack in paris was a syrian refugee who came in and the president is perfectly fine with bringing people into this country to carry out similar acts of terrorism. >> reporter: ben carson wrote house speaker paul ryan calling on congress to stop pay for programs to resettle refugees. >> congress, i think, should defund all the programs thatt l allow these people to be brought here immediately today. >> reporter: ohio governor john kasich who initially supported bringing syrian refugees to the
u.s. changed his mind, citing security concerns. >> look, there is no way that we can put any of our people at risk by bringing people in at this point. >> now 129 people lost their lives on friday during the paris terror attacks including the only american identified among the victims. >> 23-year-old nohemi gonzalez was a design student at california state university studying abroad this semester and outside one of those restaurants, that was attacked. earlier our erin burnett spoke to a doctor who raised to the scene after hearing about a the attacks and tried to save nohemi's life. >> he described gonzalez' final moments and how he feels about not being able to save her. >> i look at eyes, you know. ready to see if she was -- >> you looked into her eyes? >> yeah, of course.
and fireman came. i said send me a doctor to help me. we have no more doctor. just bring me incision and she died. >> and when she died you had been trying to save her life for 20 anyo 20 minutes. you had a chance of see her eyes and see her face. >> she was very white. she was not -- she was not -- i don't know where she was when -- i don't see but she -- >> was she in pain? was she -- >> she was not scared or not afraid. she was very calm. she died very softly. >> very softly. you saw this young woman die right in front of your eyes as you tried to save her life. how has your life changed? >> i was not so much shocked by
what i saw. i felt so -- it was horrific for me because it's my job. >> to save. >> and i wasn't able to do it. >> wow. anderson cooper spoke to the parents of nohemi gonzales and they described how they learned of their daughter's passing and what they want everyone to know about her. >> well, i wanted to know that she was a wonderful girl. she was a wonderful daughter. and she was an example for a lot of people out there. and there are so many good things i could say about her, but it's -- it's very sad that she's not here and knowing that she was very wonderful, wonderful daughter. she was so good example for a lot of kids out there in the
community. >> beatrice, i can't imagine what you have been going through these last few days. how are you coping with this? >> i -- my faith helping me to go through all this. it was my only daughter. she's 23. my youngest. i just going with my pain day by day. and by seeing her right now, it's -- it's hard for me. it's hard for me even to talk. and i never thought that it's going to be us, today, right here, suffering all this pain for our loss. >> when you heard about the shootings, about the attacks in
paris, do you immediately worry about what -- where she was? >> no. i wasn't worried because i -- i always told her be -- be in a safe place and never expose yourself to a dangerous situation so i never thought it was her. and, but, joe, my husband, is starting making phone calls to see if we can reach someone to tell us that she was okay. but i never ever thought that it was her. >> very difficult to watch, isn't it? on the makeshift memorial stands in front of the cafe hit in these deadly terror attacks. >> just ahead, you'll hear from an eyewitness who tried to help the wounded.
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welcome back, everyone. europe very much of course on edge after the deadly terror attacks in paris on friday. >> belgian officials have called off a football match set for tuesday in brussels. the government there has raised terror alert level to three out of four. meanwhile, in belgium and across france police have been carrying out anti-terror raids.
>> that should be more than 150 of them in france since friday. police confiscating weapons, bullet proof vests and even a rocket launcher. senior international correspondent fred pleitgen is live for news paris once again. fred? >> reporter: michael, certainly the investigation as it moved forward is more and more resleeling there was a complex web that appears to have been at work here, spanning of course various european countries at this point in time here in france. the authorities are looking for anybody who might have also been part of that plot. and of course we know from the french authorities that they attack here in paris is believed to have been planned by isis in syria but it also has some very clear roots in belgium. our own senior international correspondent shows us why investigators are focusing on one particular neighborhood in the belgian capital region. let's have a look. >> reporter: it started with a weekend raid that stretched into the night. eyewitnesses telling cnn a
volkswagen matching the description at the scene of the paris attacks was surrounded. more raids, more arrests. including the brother of the man at the center of an international manhunt, salah abdeslam, the suspected eighth attacker. the brussels neighborhood of molenbeek, the focal point into the investigation. 200 miles, some 300 kilometers, away. the french president leading his nation in observing a minute's silence. no doubt, who to blame. >> translator: the acts of war of friday were decided upon and planned in syria. they were organized in belgium and carried out on our soil with french complicity. seeking a clear objective to fear, to divide us, and to put pressure on us to prevent us from acting against terrorism in the middle east. >> reporter: and today bomb
squads, sniffer dogs, heavily armed police, the raid here has now ended. we're told by belgian prosecutors though there were no arrests made. the scrutiny on belgium, on brussels, on molenbeek, though, continues as all roads in that paris investigation time and time again seem to lead back here. sources close to the paris investigation tell cnn a belgian national abdelhamid abaaoud seen here in a propaganda video is masterminding the carnage last week. it's not the first time molenbeek has been implicated in a french terror plot. "charlie hebdo" attack horrified the world and skoourtity reports blame suspects in molenbeek for providing weapons. the 2004 madrid train bombing, the brussels jewish museum killings and this summer's spoiled spree on a paris train, a litany of terror.
all lines of inquiry leading to molenbeek. the police operation in belgium continues even as residents attempt to return to some sense of normality. trying to come to terms with the realization that, once again, all roads lead back to molenbeek. cnn, brussels. >> very strong reporting there from nima. remember earlier in the year in january when the "charlie hebdo" attacks happened a lot of was were then sent to the capital region around brussels to places like molenbeek because at that point in time the investigators said, listen, we do have a problem with radicalism in that part of brussels, with people also trying to get to syria from that part of brussels. and now the belgian authorities have also acknowledged that they are having trouble keeping track of people who have been radicalized who come from that neighborhood and, of course, the other big question that people are asking is also what role did that belgian connection play in
acquiring the weapons for the attacks here in paris, not just the rifles, not just the assault rifles but of course also the explosive vests that some of the attackers were wearing. >> keeping track has proven difficult, especially when you think about the resources, limited resources. frederik pleitgen, appreciate it. muslims throughout the world of course mourning those lost in the attacks as well. >> while fearing that they may face discrimination for terror, they did not commit and do not condone. (vo) what does the world run on? it runs on optimism. it's what sparks ideas. moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable.
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>> many now fear their community will face backlash from the attack on after rparis. hey hope to remind the world that isis in the wave of terror is not in the name of islam as they know it. here's ben wedeman. >> reporter: monday parisians stop by the road of the bataclan music hall, sight of the bloodiest attack, for a moment of silence and rendition of the french national anthem. at a nearby makeshift memorial a group of imams have come to pray and pay respects. the spokesman for the collective against islam phobia in france. as french is it vens and as human beings we've been wounded by this attack, he tells me. they kill christians and muslims and jews. several attackers were believed to have been french nationals who traveled to syria to join
isis. an iman in the southern paris mosque has a warning to young french muslims who have joined isis' unholy war. you're mistaken, he says. you're mistaken in up is supporting that movement, isis. it will drag to you your death, to hale fire, because suicide and slaughter are not permitted in muslim. sympathy for the dead does not however come with universal support for air strikes against isis. >> after what happened for so long decided to bomb -- do we really think that bombing a city of 200,000 people will help us combating terrorism in our own country? >> reporter: norah, a french woman of tune in additiisian or targeted her nephew with a version of islam, alien to her family. her advice to him was simple. listen to your grandmother.
french muslims point to discrimination and poverty, political and economic marginalization as some of the reasons why so many young muslims have flocked to isis. whatever the reasons, the fact remains that france is the largest european source of jihadis in iraq and syria. according to the french interior ministry as many as 570 french nationals are fighting in the ranks of isis. up the street municipal workers are washing away dried blood from the pavement, removing the traces of radicalism in the french muslim community won't be so easy. ben wedeman, cnn, paris. all right. let's bring in solam, president of the muslim public affairs council. i suppose, we really have this conversation after "charlie hebdo" as well. and there were incidents of, you
know, islamophobia when it came to muslims around the world and we're already seeing it around, aren't we? there have been mosques set on fire. >> unfortunately that's the predictable consequence in reacting the wrong way to terrorism. and i think the point is that xeniaphobia plays right into the hands of muslims. and so any kind of emotional reaction into isis that lends itself to discrimination, harassment, humiliation of communities is playing right into the hands of isis. >> so what can be done to prevent more, you know, islamophobic behavior or events despite us seeing muslim leaders speaking out condemning what happened in paris? >> women, what i'm concerned about is that we see muslim organizations condemning terrorism by themselves. we see other communities having
vigils by themselves. the issue is if we want to be effective in fighting isis, we have to demonstrate a united front. it is through unity that we can be the most effective in countering the terrorist ideology, in bringing. different groups together and standing up as one opposition to the idea of extremism. and so whether that is political extremism here in the west or the violent extremism you see from isis iemanating from the middle east, we have to stand up together as one body against any kind of hate. >> when it comes to backlash, perpetrated by perhaps the uninformed on the street. that's one level. it's a real danger, is it not, when politicians jump on the bandwagon and we've already seen that with the national front in france. there are subparties in germany and we're seeing now almost half of a governors in the united states saying we don't want
these syrian refugees. >> exactly. you know, unfortunately with every one of these terrorist incidents you have wicked opportunists who exploit the hysteria of the masses and these people have to be called out because they're in the serving american interests, they're not serving ideals of freedom and democracy. they're just serving their selfish interest and to use sir y ian refugees now as pawns for scoring political victories, that's just outrageous. these are refugees that have fled persecution. these are refugees that are statue of liberty and the words in it are saying, we should welcome those refugees. now we're telling these refugees to turn back and we're turning them back to their deaf chambers? that's just atrocious. that really violates the values of our society. >> yeah, and these are refugees also fleeing terror. in speaking of politicians i want to ask you about this
conversation that i had just a few days ago with the french senator natalie and she was proposing on the air that radical solafis be rounded up, those not in the country legally and be thrown out of france. that was one of her solutions. i'm curious to know what you think about what she said. >> well, again, people are just using terms without really understanding what they're talking about. we should go after criminals. we should be looking into people that are engaged in criminal activity and it's the partnership between communities and law enforcement that determines the best way to deal with any kind of crime. but to go after people because of what they're thinking, to try to incakarcars rate people beca they may not believe what we believe in in terms of theology, again, that's exactly what isis wants. they want to see a divisiveness in western society between religions. they want to see a cultural war
that plays into the narrative that islam and the west are at war with each other. and it just gives them the upper hand. i think people have to call these politicians out when they try to exploit these kinds of misunderstandings about various groups. it is the behavior of terrorism that we should be after, not the ideas of people who have conservative theologies or theologies that republican different from the mainstream. >> it's an important conversation. appreciate your time. thanks. >> thank you. a man who tried to help people wounded in a paris cafe spoke to cnn about the aftermath of the deadly shoot ing there. >> that's just ahead. stay with us.
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from the place de le republique. in the aftermath of the attack french president francois hollande is calling for sweeping new laws in response to those attacks. in a speech to parliament he urged lawmakers to extend the country's state of emergency by three months. and in the past few hours french warplanes once again attacked isis targets in the city of raqqah. meanwhile, we're learning more about what happened during those attacks and especially the fact that there were people who saved many, many folks who would have died if they had not gotten the help from those people. now our own anderson cooper spoke to one man who tried to help some of the people in the one of the restaurants hit by gunfi gunfire. >> tell me what you saw on friday night. >> i live right in front of the restaurant and i was coming back from my grocery store. and when i heard from sounds, i thought it was scaffolding falling down because it was so
noisy, so metaly was the sound. and but it stopped and started again. i said, it's not that. so i just rushed outside. the guys had already gone. it was chaos already. they were like some cops coming in. first medic coming in. and medics started to bring some really badly injured people, actually these were the people that could not do anything for. i saw some people like, for example, a young girl, she was laying on the floor under a blanket, survival blanket. i just pulled the blanket to cover her feet. and then i saw she had like a gapping hole on the side. and she died like a few seconds later. i'm not even sure she was conscious when i saw her because she was staring at nowhere. that was really hell and there was blood everywhere. and then we removed the tables inside the restaurant to make some space and some people who were pouring in and some other medics were, you know, making --
performing cpr on them. and there was blood splattered everywhere. they died. they were lining up the corpses outside. the people working there are dead. >> peopling working there got killed as well? >> all of them. they were having a birthday party, so i saw a guy who lost his two sisters. they were working in the restaurant. he lost his two sisters i knew waitress, mexican girl, and she was not supposed to be here because she had found a new job in another restaurant that belongs to the same owner and she came back for the birthday party and she was shot. and she died. they all died. what i've seen goes far beyond the imagination and i still cannot truly focus on anything more than a couple of minutes without seeing this faces, you know. >> you still see that? >> people who are 20, i've seen them die. >> are you frightened? >> i'm not frightened. this is my home.
what can i do? i've got nowhere else to go. and the only thing i've decided is not to hate anybody because that's what they want. and i will never give them hate. >> it's a hard thing to do, to not hate. >> i don't know because i have muslim friends and they are not like them. so the guys who did that are not even human to me. so they belong to another planet. i don't know where they belong. they're just like cockroaches. no hate. >> thank you very much. sorry for what you've been through. >> that's okay. that's okay. the world is -- that's how the world is. and we will recover. we are on our knees, actually. but -- >> do you feel like paris is on its knees? >> yes. but then we're going to stand up and we're going to lead. that's all. >> that was our own anderson cooper reporting there. of course, france is hailing a gentleman like the one you saw right there who did their best to try and save as many people
and help as many people as possible. that really describes the mood here in paris as those are praised to try to help, the ones who are killed are being mourned. at the same time, this country is vowing a strong response to the terrorism that it witnessed here on friday. michael and amara. >> we're already seeing that with the bombs falling in raqqah. fred pleitgen, thanks for being with us the last couple of hours over our coverage. >> thank you, fred. and thank you for watching "cnn newsroom." i'm amara walker. >> i'm michael holmes. stay tuned. more from paris. christi christian amanpour is coming up. >> some tributes to paris and lights around the world accompanied by the french national anthem sunk by the metropolitan opera in new york. you're watching cnn. ♪
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the acts committed in paris frankly these are acts of war. >> but despite new threats against u.s. targets. president barack obama offers no change in his isis policy. >> the strategy that we are putting forward is the strategy that ultimately is going to work. >> coming up on a special one-hour edition of our program, new information emerges on the investigation into france's biggest-ever terrorist attack. good morning, everyone. and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm christiane amanapour.
connecting the dots now between friday's horrific violence and isis leadership in syria. the french president, hollande says attacks were planned in syria organized in belgium. they say the mastermind is abdel abul, a belgium citizen who has ties to al-baghdadi, the paris cell rented an apartment in the suburbs for a week before the attacks. a global manhunt is under way at this hour for the 26-year-old man, and belgium interior ministry, released pictures of he believed to be the eighth attacker. france launched more air strikes on isis targets in the terror group's self declared capital. defense ministries saying ten planes dropped 16 bombs in and
around raqqa and syria in the early hours of tuesday morning. the family of the terror suspect, has spoken out. his brother mohamed is telling the french press he had no idea of what was planned. diplomatic editor nic robertson has the latest on the investigation. >> reporter: eight suspects. seven of them now dead. according to cnn's french affiliate, six have spent time in syria. they carried out friday's attacks in multiple locations across paris broken into three groups. three suicide bombers attacked stade de france among them a belgium. 19, 20 years old. ahmad almohamed from syria, traveling on a fact adopted passport. at the bataclan, a second group,
three suspects. omar mostefai. also, samy amimour. 28-year-old born in a paris suburb. police say mostefai had a criminal record, radicalized but never accused of terrorism. amimour subject of an international arrest warrant and placed under supervision after attempting to travel to yemen in 2012. the seventh suspect detonated his bomb at a cafe. the paris prosecutor identified the attacker, a french citizen. but hasn't disclosed his name. sources tell cnn it was ibrahim abdelslam. abdelslam rented the black car used in deadly attacks friday.
that car was later found abandoned. in a paris suburb. with three automatic rifles inside. after being questioned by police in belgium, one of abdelslam's brothers spoke to bfm-tv, cnn's french affiliate. >> translator: you need to understand in spite of the tragedy my parents are in shock. we do not realize yet what has happened the my family and i affected by what happened. we found out by tv like many of you. we did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. >> reporter: a third brother, abdeslam, a 26-year-old belgium national may be eighth suspect in the attacks. he remains at large. the subject of ants international manhunt. french police warn, he is dangerous. nic robertson, cnn, paris. now as we have heard and seen, the french president
francois hollande said this country is at war now. he is asking to extend the state of emergency to another three months. senior international correspondent, here with me in paris. fred, first, foremost, abdeslam and cohorts rented an apartment a week before the attack. you were there as the manhunt was going on. >> seems to be playing more and more role in all of this. a place where they rented this apartment. the apartment was rent ford a week by the brother of the man now being searched in the manhunt. his brother ibrahim abdelslam. one of the places where some of the planning for all of this and preparation obviously appears few of have been going on. on top of that another one of the attackers, lived right close to that area. working class area, we know in the north of paris. people we were speaking to yesterday. they were obviously shocked that awful this had been going on there.
we talked to them about samy amamour. fairly quiet individual. his parents house was raided as well. seems the suburb. a place where a lot was taking play. >> was there a lot of indication, did the parent know. authorities know that these guys were, were dangers. >> one of the guys in the bataclan theater. both parents were aware of the fact he was radicalized. both parents were worried he was being radicalized. both went to the authorities. his mother apparently went to the mayor of the city around the corner said my son is in syria, my son has been radicalized please help me do something. >> and? >> they didn't do anything. the mayor came out and said that he tried to notify authorities. nothing happened at that point. and he was quite critical of the authorities. of not trying to do more. his father, actually traveled to
syria, to try to get his son back. and didn't manage to do that. >> this is going to be the heart of the post mortem of how all the people slipped through the net. there is at least half of the attackers we have, found out, had been to syria and come back. at a time when so much emphasis was being put on the danger and the threat of, of all of these thousands of people from europe, united states, coming back to commit these terror attacks. it does seem incredible. let me ask you. french media is saying. that this apartment was potentially i didn'tified when they found that car -- identified that they found that car that you want up and reported on, the sayat, the get away car from restaurant attacks identified the gps coordinates with that address? >> yeah, one of the cars. it was inside the -- the car's gps system. that allowed, because they put it in there to try to find the place. we know, that, that, both of the
cars were brought to paris here, from belgium. so they were rented by french nationals. in brussels. driven over to here. we know one of the cars, was found at the theater. the other. the sayat leon was also a rental car and brought here from belgium. it also shows how much cross border activity there was. how much planning there must have been. you are focusing on the investigation. belgium authorities have had grace to admit publicly they are the weak link. >> yes, they are the weak link. and you remember, at the beginning of the year. when you were talking "charlie hebdo." we were sent to belgium to cover events there. molenbeck, was the place everybody was focusing on. the area where belgium authorities for a long time saying they have trouble with people being radicalized. yeah, yeah, they said they dropped the ball on this. they didn't keep track. having trouble. keeping track of it.
and the other side of that, to that is, on the unw hand yone h. people, and the weapons pipeline. belgium plays a big role in that also. >> fred, thank you so much. in terms of per capita, jihadi's going, belgium has the the highest number going to syria. three days after isis launched those deadly paris, the terror group has a new video out vowing the united states could be next.
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welcome back to the program. the friend. interior minister has been talking to the french press at this hour. reporting 128 more raids in the overnight hours on locations around this country. when we have more details, what they found, whether they made new arrests we will of course bring them to you. we are here, on a rainy borng, a memorial behind us. this as president barack obama
and other world leaders are meeting in manila at this hour for an apec gathering, economic q cooperation meeting, and just like the g 20 summit, threats of the islamic state may overshadow other issues. meanwhile the philippine authorities are investigating a viral video thought to be released by militants that support isis and threatening an attack on the apec meeting where mr. obama has just arrived. police are still evaluating the authenticity of the void yo. they maintain security is airtig airtight. now, earlier, isis did release another new threatening propaganda video. in the last 24 hours. islamic state fighter, praises the paris killers and warns other countries taking part in the air strikes on syria, that they will be next.
this person specifically threatened washington, d.c. the head of the cia said the paris attacks were not a surprise and that isis has more operations in the pipeline. i spoke with the french magistrate who long called for authorities here to be much more active, pro-active in fighting the jihadist threat. and i spoke with a former al qaeda member who long ago turned against the terrorist group and turned into an informant for the british intelligence mi-5. >> welcome to both of you on this evening. can i just start with you. what went wrong from your perspective? how is it that all these french citizens. went over. people new there was a threat of jihadism. they came back and they were not processed. they slipped through the net? >> you know the program its that we have thousands of people
suspected being able to become terrorists. thousands of people, maybe 10,000. so to follow and to monitor 10,000 of people, it needs thousand and thousand of policemen. >> right. what's the ontion? >> we don't have the number of policemen to monitor 10,000 people. the solution is intelligence. we have to -- improve our intelligence system. to, to detect better detection of -- of jihadists. that's the problem. >> the president announced a three month state of emergency. you recommended state of emergency last year. they should have implemented it nearly a year ago. >> this year, last april. after the first problem. because, you know, as we have intelligence, we have people fight in the secret, service. but we can't, monitor everyone. so we have to go and search
weapons. the problem in france is that all the time for one you know. each time there is a terrorist attack, we, we learn that people were. >> some of them were. >> the solution is to use the information to go the people to make search and then to take the weapons. that's what is the thing since yesterday. >> were you surprised that they found a rocket launcher in some body's house? >> no, not surprised. not surprising. in france you can't make a search at people's home without a judiciary inquiry. not a warrant, quite the same. only with intelligence. you can't open the screw dish ear in qu ear -- judiciary. it -- only on the information from the secret service we can
go to suspect home and then we search. that's what -- happening now. >> stand by. let me bring in iman dean from london. you are familiar with the kind of opportunism that the jihadi groups are able to exploit obviously given what the prosecutor has said. from your perspective, how easy it now to exploit all of the loopholes in the law in the, in the, in the lack of police presence, or in the online community. to commit these crimes undetected as we have seen here. >> well, it is easy to exploit many loopholes. in the law. but also at the same time there are many ungoverned spaces in the cyberspace. in the past. we didn't have to worry about that. because the the cyberspace was small. it is big. it is difficult to navigate for the most -- expert. put it this way. so therefore, there are -- you
know, many loopholes that need to be plugged. it's difficult. it is authorities playing catch up yit it. -- up with it. >> give us a sense from your perspective. you know you were in the group, al qaeda, you came out. you, you were an informant for a while. now a security expert. analyst. tell me how you turned and what made you get out and can others who have been groomed, how can others be, be, be deradicalized. >> the most important aspect is doubt. because without doubt you can't question yourself. and question your own core beliefs. the core beliefs that you have embraced, in the past. you know. therefore, doubt was my convergence. and doubt came after the atrocities in the east african-american embassies in 1998. as you are well aware. the trouble here is that the
theology of jihad has evolved, i would say, actually more or less like regressed. over the past two decades. to the point where it is a far more darker place than it used to be. in the past, it was all about defending muslim, civilians across the word. in the frontiers of islam as they used to call it all the time nouc time. now we have a whole generation, suffering from identity crisis. deep identity crisis embracing, psychopathic piety. that's far darker than what i, used to experience with, 20 years ago. >> thank you. and finally to you, mr. pratts, the communications people have said their communications went dark. they were encrypted. they have learned a lot about surveillance and huh to evade surveillance you say, right? >> yes, the problem is encrypted
communications. and the other problem is communications by ways of under the scope. using, video games. play station, private parties. effort set ra. -- et cetera. intelligence has to be improved. another way to improve its new projects like tci, identifications, financial intelligence, the way to monitor financial activity and then to have based on it before, you know, terrorist attacks. >> thank you so much indeed for joining me. well, now we have new video from outside the bataclan theater which was captured desperate, the terror as people tried to escape the deadly attack. it also shows an act of courage. anderson cooper has the details.
>> reporter: the woman hanging from the window is clearly desperate. she shouts out that she is pregnant. on the street below there is chaos and confusion. concert-goers spilling out into an alley way. some are seen lying on the ground. others run for their lives. the woman hanging from the window begs for help. unable to pull herself up from the ledge. on the street below the chaos continues. severely wounded people being dragged to safety.
a man hobbling. struggling to escape. then again, more shots. and more panicked concert-goers pour into the street their footsteps echo against the pavement. the shooting continues. then after more than two minutes the camera captures a man on a nearby ledge tentatively making his way back into the theater pulling the lady to safety. the man says she since reached out to him to thank him for saving her life and the life of her baby. the last image we see, two men struggling to pull another victim out of the street. andersen cooper, cnn, paris. those dramatic scenes from friday night just show the sheer
terror of what people went through. and in the aftermath, many, many young people have come to the b bataclan and to resist and support the equally young people who were caught up in the killing there at the concert. the "liberation" paper, started with generation bataclan. young people standing up for young people who have been mowed down. coming up the latest on the investigation in france. (vo) what's your dog food's first ingredient? corn? wheat? in new purina one true instinct grain free, real chicken is always #1. no corn, wheat or soy. support your active dog's whole body health with purina one. theand to help you accelerate,. we've created a new company...
coming to pay their respects, to lay flowers and to relight candles after the overnight and early morning downpour. now the french crackdown after friday's deadly attacks is growing stronger. overnight french police carried out 128 new anti-terror searches. according to the interior minister bernard kaznaut, french war planes launched more strikes against the stronghold of raqqa in syria. jets flew from bases in the uae and jr. dan as they did the first night andeted a command b reyoument center. here in europe police are looking for the man believed eighth attacker. dau during fry diday's rampage. he is a citizen of france. one of his brothers killed himself carrying out one of the attacks. another brother said his family is shocked at beth men's
involvement. >> translator: you also need to understand that in spite of the tragedy my parents are in shock. we do not realize yet what has happened. my family and i are affected by what happened. we found out by tv like many of you. we did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. >> around the world moslems are saying "not in my name." and condemning friday's attacks even the hezbollah leader, hassan nasralah, vowed retaliation for the beirut bombings and offered condolences to the victims of the paris massacres. >> translator: people of the region, living under the brut brutali brutality, are the most aware and sympathetic of what hit the french nation last night. we offer our deep condolences, solidarity, sympathy, moral, humanitarian stand to those
innocent whose were invaded by the barbaric criminal management of daish. here the word of the grand mosque of lyon. >> translator: it falls on france. it also falls on muslims because well will have to pay. we are going to pay for what these people did in paris. or what they did in january. we're the ones who have to explain. justify ourselves and apologize nor what we didn't do. we are the one whose have suffer people looking at us. this is why today with all religious people we have to be strong and go forward. >> and, worryingly, unsurprisingly, indeed this morning there are reports of an upsurge in islamphobic attacks in france since friday. i spoke to daisy kahn, founder
and director of w.i.s.e., a nonprofit in the united states dedicated to equality and justice for moslems around the world. daisy, you are no stranger to spikes of terror and the backlash against moslems in general. what is your reaction to, to all of this, right now? what's happened here and, how it has been reported and, and, the backlash that you are feeling? well just at the top of the hour you have seen that so many, you know, these isis people kill and discriminately. they are enemies of humanity. even if religious leaders are coming out and speaking against it is an indication that many people, you know, now worldwide believe that isis is a threat to all of humanity. there is nothing islamic in anything that they say. they are psychopaths.
and they have created a huge problem for the muslim community. because all their actions set the muslim community back by decades. the event that happened in paris now has to be, the parisians, muslims, invested in paris, france, have to double their efforts. it affects institutional building. it affects our ability to have a trajectory to, to -- restate ourselves in western countries like in our case when, as you know, very well, that we proposed the ground zero what was called ground zero community center. as a way of creating countermomentum to extremism. our way of amplifying the voice of the muslim community. yet we were set back because people misunderstood our intentions. >> so how do you struggle to overcome this? because, obviously, it's moslem
whose have been killed as well by these extremists. and you, and others look you are being caught up in the sort of global backlash. i mean we are hearing in the united states, some states are saying no syrian refugees. in our state for instance. this is just going to ramp up particularly in a political year. how do you try to combat this? >> i think what has to happen is the politicians have to stop, you know, portraying the muslim community as a national security threat. i mean we have already heard the drum beat of, you know, muslims need to be treated differently. or have to be more spying programs. all it does is it really feeds into the hands of isis. i mean all they do is they take the quotes that are sent by trump or rubio and they just put them on their recruiting manifesto to recruit more people from the west. so, yeah, we muslims are caught in the middle. we have the best of in ten,s to
be law-abiding citizens. yet events that happened unfold overseas really set us back. what is really needed is a different rhetoric. the rhetoric is one of peace and national unity. that's what's needed most. >> daisy, the president, president obama speaking at the g20 summit said we are not waging a war against moslems. but i am asking you do you not think moslems are waging a war against the collective us. how does that reality, these extremist moslems talking about, isis types. how does reality sort of, sort of, you know stand up to, to scrutiny and how do you -- basically use the book, the holy book to try to stop it and to try to, you know, separate the mainstream from the extremists. because the this keeps, this nexus just keeps coming up again. >> yeah.
so, christiane, the thing that need to happen we need how to delink religion of islam which 1.6 million practice from the actions of the terrorists. this its the problem we have. even the media. cnn sometimes makes the error, mistake calling them islamist terrorists. this delinking has to happen. because these people, isis, and al qaeda, they have used islam as a way legitimizing their actions they're anything but isl islamic. the most important work needs to be done. it can be done by the community. rye welcome recent remarks of president obama when he said muslim community really need to step up. and it needs to more active. and we are active. the difficulty is we have not been at the table since 9/11. most of the efforts off to
counter trim have been kinetic efforts. military, intelligence. and law enforcement. muslim community has not been actively invite to partake. what we are doing right now, i was very happy to hear. >> daisy. sorry to interrupt you. i want to ask you, there are many moslems concerned that actions of isis, dai. sh, they're desperately trying to, drag their extremism whatever you want to say into the mainstream. get it accepted as the mainstream. again, the mainstream has to put up some kind of dam against that. we have to cast a doubt into people's minds. this is what i will be rolling out a project soon with 30 contributor thousands. what our aim is. to look at this ideology and to see, how they take core concepts of koran, islam. and disport them. i have to tell you, that there
has been a -- lot of people have welcomed this kind of is nsh tif -- initiative. community led. and meant for parents. meant for your friends. meant to educate and empower muslims so they can discredit within the communities. the work that needs to be ramped up globally as well as locally. >> daisy kahn, thank you for joining us. among just one of the many conversations i have had, as cnn continue thousands its ongoing live coverage of these terror attacks. coming up. another one. the isis hostage who had a lucky a french journalist was captured by the terror group and held in syria. he gave us rare, firsthand insight into life under the islamic state. that's next.
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welcome back to our special ongoing live coverage of paris, the terror attacks and the aftermath. now authorities here this morning are telling us that they have conducted 128 more raid around france. that is according to the interior ministry and the defense ministry says they have conducted more air strikes against raqqa, the isis stronghold in syria overnight as well. now the french president
declares that terrorism will not destroy france. france will destroy it. that vow, on monday. french journalist, didiecois, was held, and he knows their brutality firsthand. he joined me last night. and i asked him how he managed to get through it and what he think is going on there right now. we keep asking you, because it is so rare to actually talk to a living surviving victim of isis. >> i was lucky, yeah. >> you were really, really lucky. 10 1/2 months. jihadi john himself. mader who was one of your guards? >> i was really lucky. the people are ruthless. we know it. we have seen it in the streets of paris, iraq, syria, lebanon.
everywhere they're killing people. so, yes, no doubt about it. >> did you ever think you were going to be killed? did they threaten you? >> yeah, sure of course. and, it was just never made it. and they didn't survive. all were beheaded. and murdered. so, yes, sure. there was a threat. a really real one. >> i thought of you first when i heard the american drones had killed they say, jihadi john. what did you think? >> i was telling you. it makes the world much safer. not safe enough. but, yes, this guy was really trained hard to eat at the west. one of the recruiters. he was -- one of the guys training the people, sending back to us. to kill us. so, yes. >> he was one of the guys
training like the french misguided youth who were going over there. >> french. british. from europe. a group. you see the way that isis is working now the they do have two fet. one is very -- very well -- put on the tribes in iraq and syria. that the main parts, main core of isis. but they also have another part of it which are all coming from all countries. and wanting to fight back to us. and -- of course, whose rings have been animated and organized by people like jihadi john. french guys. belgium guys. coming from here. recruiting. work ing on the internet. trying to select young guys. turkish border. >> are you surprised. you probably aren't surprised given what you said. that five, six of these terrorists who have been killed, are french.
had gone over to syria for fighting and training. >> of course.an issue. the intelligence community. community service knows that roughly 3,000 young french people are deeply involved into that terror ring. 500 of them are still fighting over there. 300 came back. that is a huge number. not compared to the french, but a huge number in itself. that's why it is some times difficult to stop all of the, all of the -- >> it is a huge number. but they still know. this was the threat everybody was worried about. how is it possible this number of people went over. came back and slipped through the fingers of french intelligence and security. >> actually in the last ten months about 10 attacks, ten attempts have been, have been stopped. not more than, a week ago. 29th of october.
one of them was arrested south of france wanted to kill some navy man from the french navy who were going to board. >> now steaming. >> in two days. >> to the persian gulf. >> to reinforcing the eastern med ter ra med -- mediterranean. >> the president said we will be ruthless. we will hit back against them. they, isis have released yet another video. new video, mentioning and praising the french killers and threatening more wherever it might be here. england, mentioning specifically washington, d.c. >> they are serious about it. we have to be careful altogether. i think the level intelligence share has been amazing. the french army, a lot of intel from the united states. >> last three days. >> really. something which should be continued. because it is going to last.
they have the will to determination to kill us. we should -- we really should show the same kind of -- the stronger will not to surrender. >> the president addressed the nation. and said, you inn they won't kill us, we will kill them. they won't destroy us. we will destroy them. do you believe those are fighting word orren punch behind it. >> the announcement of the president, has been waiting from the security apparatus for some time. still in the framework of the consideration. it is going to give much more flexibility and muscle to the action. people did realize the level of the threat. i'm sure now legislators, mps, are going to follow. i mean. taken at all levels.
i am pretty sure not only words. you can see, i mean, more troops, to be recruited. more policemen. not only just more beans. there is a will. it is very important to have a will. >> let's hope the will lasts out of the straj gee. >> they're stronger. they don't feel this. and we love life. so we are going to be stronger. >> doubly. >> thank you so much. and, after a break, we continue our reporting as paris, as this country continues to stand firm. more raids around the country. more air raid against syria. but next we imagine a world standing with paris. the compassion reaching out beyo beyond first. he led a moment of silence in his strasbourg performance this weekend.
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ministry announces it is further deploying aircraft carrier charles de gaulle to the theater to support air strikes against syria. french authorities continue to investigate the situation and see how they can get to the attackers, of course as we know at least one is still on the run. the french president, francois hollande as we reported continues to declare his country is at war with the terrorists and following through on his promise to intensify efforts against isis. the interior ministry says that the police overnight conducted 12 more searches. also as we have said french war planes have carried out another round of air strikes on raqqa and other targets inside syria. the defense ministry says fighter jets dropped 16 more bombs in and around that stronghold of raqqa. meanwhile, french authorities now say isis leaders may have
been directly involved in planning the paris attacks. one of them is this man. abdel hamad abood. finally this hour, we imagine a world of liberty, of equality, of fraternity, but especially solidarity this week. as countries everywhere showed their true colors. expressing compassion for the victims in paris, and at new york's metro opera, the spanish tenor, placido domingo conducting the orchestra there in the french national anthem. ♪ ♪
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continuing coverage of the terrorist attacks in paris. i'm hala gorani. >> in paris, they are uncovering new links to friday's attacks as well as isis leaders in syria. authorities believe the mastermind to be abdelhamid abaaoud. >> not arrests, individual raids are in addition to the more than 150 such raids since friday. also in the last few minutes, we have just learned that france is deploying the aircraft carrier to the eastern mediterranean to assist in its air campaign against isis. now, john, importantly this
decision was made before the attacks but precipitated after the attacks. >> he was already headed there. but much more importantly it will play a bigger role than previously imagined. there is new information on what the terrorists did in the weeks leading up to the attacks including where they stayed. we're joined now by cnn international correspondent frederik pleitgen. >> this was from the east, what we have learned over the past couple hours apparently the attackers rented an apartment there, which seems to be at least some of the preparation for this was going on. of course, there were many people asking how they managed to get for instance all the explosive vests into the city. the guns, also, the ak-47ss, so they rented this apartment before the attack took place for about a week. it was interesting, the brother of the man now being sought in the hunt, salah, it seems the
plotting took place there. it seems interesting because one of the other attacks come from there, his same is samy amimour. he lives there. >> but interestingly, once the person lives there you can go back to the finance information at the bobigny area here in paris. >> yes, but you wonder why something like this was not caught beforehand, because the writing seems to be on the wall. you have this apartment, where presumably you would have to have an agent or website to go to. and then you look at samy amimour, who was in the bataclan, and shot people there. his father said my son has traveled to syria, he said my son is radicalized, his father traveled to syria to try to get him -- >> which is so interesting, you
often hear where is the community? the community needs to step up. but this family went -- also also interesting, frederick. this also shows the path they took from inside syria, masterminded by this man, abaaoud, where they did more organization in the final week to bobigny. >> what we're establishing is where the people are from, you have the district from belgium, molenbeek, and where the cars were rented from belgium, and brought down here and later found at the scene of one of the attacks. the interesting thing will be what paths did the weapons take? because there are many people who believe that belgium is yet one of the hubs for ak-47s -- you can get them in france, as well. it will be very interesting to see if they can find out who the suppliers were. judging from one of these places
they found a rocket launcher, ak-47s, there seems to be a lot of weapons on the streets here. >> and in leon, this is not something you expect to hear as part of the investigation. and we'll get more from fred, as well in the coming hour. >> we have much more on the investigation as well and the path they may have take, who may have been behind the plot. our senior correspondent, nic robertson. >> eight suspects, seven now dead, according to the french affiliate six have spent time in syria. they carried out friday's attacks in multiple locations across paris, broken into three groups. three suicide bombers attacked the stade de france, among them, bilal hafdi, said to be 20 years old. ahmed almohammad, at the
bataclan concert hall, a second group, ismael mostefai, also samy a mimour, born in a paris suburb. police say mostefai was radicalized. the seventh suspect, detonated his suicide bomb at a cafe. the paris prosecutor identified the attacker as a 31-year-old french citizen but has not disclosed his name. sources tell cnn it was 31-year-old ibrahim abdeslam.
according to multiple sources, abdeslam rented the car that was linked to a deadly string of bombings, that car was later found in a paris suburb with three kalashnikov rifles inside. after being questioned, one of abdeslam's brothers spoke to the affiliate. >> you also need to understand that in spite of the tragedy my parents are in shock. we do not realize yet what has happened. my family and i are affected by what happened. we found out by tv just like many of you. we did not think for a moment that one of our brothers was related to these attacks. >> a third brother, salah abdeslam, a 38-year-old belgium, may be the eighth suspect. french police warn he is dangerous. nic robertson, cnn, paris.
>> all right, thank you to nic robertson for that. it was a defiant french president hollande who said his country is at war with terrorism. france is at war, he said. he demanded sweeping new measures to tackle the threat here and really it has changed many aspects of french life. the french have launched new bombs in targets in raqqah on tuesday. >> and the question is, is this just a pinprick, 16 bombs who some say are very identifiable targets. some may be empty. is this just a symbolic move by france saying look, we are responding in time. francois hollande declared a state of emergency. constitutionally it can only go on for a few days. he needs to ask for special
permission for it to be longer than three months. that is what he did, he went for a special session, a meeting with congress -- >> this only happened three times. >> since 1848 or 1849, allowing france to identify suspects who may be terrorists. listen to what he said at that parliament session. >> france is at war. the acts committed in paris on friday evening, these are acts of war. >> u.s. president barack obama of course struck a different tone. >> he faced a lot of criticism right now in the u.s. and around the world for his reluctance to put u.s. troops on the ground in syria. but he defended that stance while speaking to reporters at the g20 summit. listen. >> there have been a few who
suggested that we should put large numbers of u.s. troops on the ground. it is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers that that would be a mistake. >> there you have it. two leaders, two different messages. we have a political commentator and journalist here in paris and she knows the situation here more than anybody in terms of how the french are reacting to it. are the french going to want decisive military action, do you think? because it is not always the case, in this country. >> no, and i mean -- what else could president hollande do? it was expected of him to actually do airstrikes. so he did it. it is almost symbolic, you know, you attacked us, we are going to attack you. in the long-term, of course, we all know and president obama
knows that aerial bombings hardly contain them. so there is a coalition of countries who will face questions. on the ground only the kurds are fighting on our behalf and doing it with great bravery. and also, france didn't wait until friday to actually fight. it has been ongoing, you know, a fight for years. in mali, france, it's going on there and the operation has been quite successful in the last few years. so you know, the islamic state, whatever you want to call it has affiliates throughout the world. so what are we going to do? it's a question for yes, for britain, and there will be more attacks. that is a certainty. >> well, the question for democracy particularly in france right now is as much what are they doing here as what are they
doing in syria right now, because in syria it may very well be symbolic, not symbolic here at all, when you have 200 raids overnight. the french public, are they accepting of this? do they want to see more aggressive action on the ground in their very own neighborhoods? >> they want to actually continue and enjoy their way of life. because what was targeted in the streets of paris on friday night was you know, the french way of life. that is to say not having to carry guns because that is not in our culture. that is to say to continue flocking to paris is not actually -- that has been the response. because as you know, march is banned until thursday. so what did they do? they flocked to bars and caves. >> i have to say the reaction this time, compared to post-charlie hebdo, because after all it was less than ten
months ago. the fear in this city is palp palpable, compared to january. >> you're absolutely right, they're suicide bombers. >> concerts, terrorists, football stadiums. >> and they're all historic landmarks. it's not heavily guarded or protected like you know the eiffel tower or the notre dame castle. if it's palpable, it's because of the sheer scare and palpablety of the people. it's the hatred of us, the people and that is what paris stands for. perhaps we were naive to not think they hated us so much. >> and to the extent the united states has backed off the capabilities too much, particularly after edward
snowden, is there a feeling in france that they're willing to listen more carefully, to spy on the domestic population? >> well, with terrorism, it's intelligence gathering. >> but will people accept it? >> well, i think they will in the sense that president hollande talked with new technologies a few times. because those attackers actually managed to correspond without us knowing, so that is a new challenge. >> all right, thank you, always a pleasure, thanks for your analysis on this situation. and this news just coming in just moments ago, by the way. the french interior minister says that 115,000 police and soldiers are mobilized across france. and local media has been told that they will investigate in digital means, encryption
techniques. john, experts are saying that potentially some of these terrorists might have be s have communicating through game boys. obviously you're not going to text and send e-mails. >> we talked about crypted technology. it is not necessarily that these people have programmers lining up these new systems. it's using things like game boys or playstations which can be a lot harder to watch than phone lines, a big challenge. >> the paris attacks have ignited a backlash for refugees and asylum in the united states, that story ahead. plus, one of the attackers is suspected of slipping into france or europe, more specifically, hidden among refugees. who was this man? was he in fact from syria and what does it tell us about how easy it is to get into syria and
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paris isis is threatening more. threatening an attack on the united states, as well, specifically washington. >> all right, of course isis and these groups have one goal and one goal only, that is to scare everybody. and because of what happened in paris, it is working in some cases. there are no specific threats but u.s. cities are not taking this lightly, deborah fayerick. >> we will strike america and its stronghold, washington. >> they now believe they have an external agenda, and what happened in paris will likely be attempted elsewhere. >> so i would anticipate this is not the only operation that isis has in the pipeline. >> following the attacks, police and several cities have ramped
up security. in washington, d.c., metropolitan transit police have stepped up patrols using bomb-sniffing dogs. in new york city, highly trained elite counterterrorism forces deployed to protect public places. >> the assignment which you have volunteered, that assignment, there is now no more essential assignment in the world of policing. >> so-called target venues are also increasing security. the nfl which already uses counterterrorism tactics and bag screening asked its members to further tighten its efforts. the cia director has learned that isis has learned to stay off the grid to help avoid detection. these encrypted communications are a major concern, sources say. >> we are in discussions looking for ways in which they can
provide information while still preserving privacy. >> the attacks in paris have raised serious questions with serious implications. the cia director says these attacks took months to plan and yet raised no red flags. also several of the terror suspects were unknown to authorities, including the brother of one of the suspects, who was stopped by police but is now on the run. the fear is if this happened undetected in belgium and france, this could also happen in america. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. >> now even in the united states, a few refugees from syria have arrived. what happened here has been subject to debate. a number of governors have made it clear they want no syrians in their states. >> the states highlighted in red
say they are opposed to accepting refugees from syria and it's a large, large number. we also listed the states where they say they will accept syrian refugees. and there are still a number of states as well who say they're not yet committed one way or the other. this has become a very hot political issue with virtually every presidential candidate now weighing in. >> bringing people into this country from that area of the world, i think is a huge mistake. >> you can't pick up the phone and call syria. and that is one of the reasons why i've said we don't need to take more refugees, it's not that we don't want to, we can't. >> it is lunacy to bring refugees into this country who may be terrorists trying to murder americans. >> president obama denounced some republican suggestions for what amounts to a religious test. jeb bush, for instance, says the united states should accept christian refugees only.
ted cruz proposing a measure to congress that would officially ban muslim syrian refugees, but a lot of christians, as well. >> we also heard that from slovakia, they have said as well regarding the refugees, they will not accept them. we still do not know who this individual is with the syrian passport, we know it's fake, is he syrian? is he a european whose passport was somehow on the list, didn't want to travel the conventional way, and that could be a form of fear they want everybody to be afraid. this form of backlash is directly related to this report that one of the attackers came
in posing as a refugee on october 3rd, then traveled to macedon macedonia. >> he registered in a refugee camp in croatia before heading to this area, to paris, perhaps through belgium, who knows? cnn spoke to one correspondent who discussed how they could get fake articles. >> when you first heard that one of the attackers had had a syrian passport, had come into europe with a fake passport, how do you feel? >> frankly because i know how easy it is to get a fake passport, yes, i knew, this kind of message they were not syrian. they just wanted to mislead, they throw this passport to mislead the investigation. >> so you knew it was not real? >> frankly, i'm not saying that. if you read my articles about this, even in social media you
will read the same. that i know this is kind of syrian, fake syrian passport, to mislead the investigation they bought a fake syrian passport. it's very easy to get a fake passport now. >> when you heard it was a syrian passport, though, were you afraid, angry, how did it make you feel as someone living? the pass port is all you have in this country -- >> i felt angry, myself, i know the society here. i mean, i'm talking especially in france. i know the society. i know here, they have human values. kind of liberal values. they support liberty. myself i did not feel that scare. >> so this is a syrian passport, i just want to show it to everyone. how easy is it to get one of these fake? >> now, it costs you about 700
euros. >> 700 euros, and i could have one of these. >> by your name, an american name, even -- not an arabic name, or anything, your photo, your name, anything you want. >> so for the terrorists who want to do this and hide among the refugees -- it sounds incredibly easy. >> i tell you something, nobody announced that and it's very important. when isis came into raqqah, they got 5,000 passports. 5,000 original passports without names. and you know what i mean? 5,000 -- this is nobody -- talk about this. they got 5,000 -- sorry, 5,000 passports. so just imagine what is going to happen. >> so how do you feel as a syrian, you cannot go home? you cannot renew your passport? you have -- it's your identity. you are living in a country where it's not your country. how does that feel?
>> well, i can't describe it. like i'm lost. in the middle of the ocean, with a broken boat, a piece of wood and that is all. i'm trying to survive and that is all. >> all right, there you have it. how easy it is to get a fake syrian passport, some journalists who tried it said -- in fact, one journalist put a picture of a high profile politician to get a fake passport. >> we do have breaking news right now having to do with isis terror around the world. russian media reports just now, on the metro jet, russian media says that russian investigators have found signs of explosives
on the shreds of that aircraft. and that a one kilogram bomb they believe brought down the aircraft. a bomb they say brought down the aircraft killing all 224 people on board. >> a one kilogram bomb, it's small, but on a plane big enough and brought this plane down apparently according to these reports. and we'll have a lot more on that of course. we'll be going live to moscow. there are reports that the french government had some advance notice ahead of friday's attacks. we'll tell you who had the intelligence just ahead.
hour, russian state media are reporting that the metro jet a-321 crash in the sinai desert showed signs of explosives into -- >> a one kilogram bomb brought that plane down, the russians were reluctant to confirm it was a terrorist attack. now officially saying they believe it was a one kilogram bomb. isis claimed responsibility for it. in two weeks, isis showed the capability to bring down the plane with a bomb and then stage the attacks in paris. >> it is a game-changer, two suicide bombs, the third avoided because of the heroic actions of one man, but these are three distinct locations, the russian commercial jetliner, the lebanese capital and the french
capital. >> and these are three very different attacks. >> new developments on the paris terror investigation, the french interior ministry has said that france has carried out over 200 raids. and this man, abdeslam, a 26-year-old french citizen has been declared a suspect. >> and this man, abaaoud, now believed to be living in syria or iraq with what they call their caliphate. >> and john, they actually cancelled a soccer game. >> they cancelled a game, there was supposed to be a spain/belgium friendly. two very good teams, highly anticipated now, cancelled.
shows you the level of fear. >> and in england, they're going ahead. >> there will be a big show of solidarity there at wimbley. and there are now more strikes launched against isis, and now they are deploying earlier than anticipated to the eastern mediterranean. on monday, francois hollande addressed his country in a joint session, only three times in the last 150 years and he vowed new military action against isis. >> right, he is the commander-in-chief and needs to sound like the commander-in-chief. he is politically in trouble. we'll be speaking to the representative of the socialist party coming up. he asked as what anticipated a three-month extension for the country's state of emergency. >> right, we're joined right now, i should say the french resolve was on full display on that speech monday. there are questions about
whether or not france and other european countries should have reacted more quickly to advance possible warning about the attack. >> now, we spoke to the spokesperson for the socialist party. thank you for joining us. the french president, a socialist, he goes to this joint meeting of congress in verasilles, he said i want a coalition to combat isis. this is a moment of crisis for my country, we need to fight back. is it going to work? >> yes, we'll see the exact details, the constitution he is proposing, if we'll have full unity behind us. he was unanimously applauded after his speech yesterday. and he has been very well respected in terms of his action on the news national fronts since the very beginning when he first decided to go into mali,
for example. so i think there is a distinction to be had between the economic policy internally. where there is obviously politics going on and international terrorism and international action. >> but there are questions about whether or not france should have known more about the attackers and what led up to them. they had their eye on at least two of them. should there have been more surveillance? were there signs missed? >> well, they were under surveillance, because some of them were believed but not proven to be in syria. >> six of the eight. >> that is the problem, where we need more cooperation with the international european cooperation, and have more actionable evidence. and some were under surveillance because they were going to radical mosques, for example. >> but our reporter, frederik
pleitgen, was reporting that at least one of the parents of one of the suspects went to authorities and said my son is radicalized. my son went to syria, do something. is it a failure of intelligence or are intelligence agencies so overwhelmed that they just don't have the manpower to respond to every case? >> i think it's a little bit of both. this is why we're expanding the power significantly. also, we need more cooperation. because if a very concerned parent comes to say my son is in syria it's not actually easy to locate that person and be certain that this is the case. so we are a state where we have to respect the rule of law. we're not going to imprison people just on suspicion without evidence. so we can put people under surveillance and that is where we have these new laws, just a
few short months ago, and we can collect more information much more efficiently for these people. >> you want to change the law in some way to allow more power? >> yes, we already passed a law to increase intelligence services capacity in terms of digital surveillance. so this still needs to be rolled out. we don't really need to increase this in terms of legislative measures. we don't need to increase that because we have already voted on that. now, there is a question of -- what happens when an attack like this happens. we had to -- the president had had to delay a state of emergency which is not something that we wanted to be doing on a regular basis, obviously, this has to be an exceptional measure. and it's very broad. the president has been very responsible, very reasonable. and has been applying the state of emergency to make sure that freedoms and individual liberties are respected. sorry. but we don't want -- to have to use the state of emergency again, we want to have
provisions in our constitution that allows the president to act, for the police to act much more quickly in this case. >> thank you very much, the spokesperson for the socialist party. there are important elections coming up in three weeks. we'll see how your party does. thank you for joining us. >> we do have breaking news. >> we do have important breaking news, russian officials now say they believe the crash that brought down the metro jet. they have found traces of explosives. they now believe a kilogram bomb killed all 224 people on board. i want to go to matthew chance, what are they saying? >> reporter: yes, well, it appeared on state television. vladimir putin speaking to his head of security in a kind of staged briefing about the latest updates on the investigation into the metro jet plane crash.
the chief told him that it had been found, traces of explosives had been found. there was a homemade explosive device inside the aircraft with explosives, the equivalent of one kilogram of tnt. the explosion of that device, the sfb chief said appeared to be the scattering of the plane, fuselage. and it has been confirmed that it was a bomb responsible for the deaths of the 224 people. vladimir putin then kind of gave remarks, comments about what their intention would be to do next. he said the russian military should appeal to all of our
partners and friends in this work, including for the search and punishment of the culprits. he also then said that we will search for those responsible everywhere no matter where they are hiding. we will find them and punish them. so vladimir putin now vowing revenge for the deaths of 224 mainly russian citizens in that airbus 231 airliner that was bombed on its way back from st. petersburg. and matthew, how will it change russia's military involvement? for now they have been launching an air campaign. for now we know they have troops on the ground that they say stay within the bases. we know they may have been conducting other types of operations. that have not been confirmed. but will we see ground movement? >> i still don't think there is an appetite for troops on the
ground in syria, they may be playing a supporting role playing undisclosed roles. but there is not a large russian military presence on the ground beyond the aircraft and support troops. we have been carrying out intensive strikes over the past couple of months. in terms of how this will change that equation, well, it will bolster if anything, the russian determination to do what they set out to do in that country. they have been saying that they're fighting against isis and bombing isis positions. they have been mainly focusing according to other reports, regarding assad, one possibility is that this could help them refocus their attacks on isis. certainly that is the hope in the west that this attack on the metrojet, if it is confirmed to be a bomb and the responsibility of isis could help russia focus its attacks more on isis groups
in syria instead of the groups they have been targeting so far. >> matthew, it is extraordinary to hear the russian leader come out today and essentially say we were attacked by isis. 224 people in a russian plane killed now by isis. what is the attitude inside russia among the russian people toward isis? do they feel like they're directly involved in this growing international fight? the united states is a part of it now, france is a part of it. how committed are the russian people? >> i believe we have the u.s. secretary of state o-- john kery -- sorry into all right, hang on one second. >> a bit of confusion, to let our viewers know what is going on, but u.s. secretary john kerry is meeting with the french president francois hollande. >> the secretary of state arrived there just now. the secretary of state coming in
from vienna where he had been meeting with world leaders. president obama is in turkey, he is here to meet with the french leader. there are warm relations there with the secretary of state speaking fluent french. >> he said this is not a war of civilizati civilizations. it's a war of civilization, he said, against savages and murderers. >> and you were on the phone i still believe with matthew chance, they were talking about the russian response to what they now believe to be an isis bombing of one of their planes. and matthew, if you are still with us, talk to us about the russian resolve, what is the feeling about the russian people about this battle with isis?
>> i think the russians are saying they have had a long history of fighting terrorism inside their borders. they have been victims of terrorist attacks in the past. now this is considered to be another instance of russians being killed by terrorist attacks. i think they will stand scarily behind their government. the kremlin says look, we're engaged in a global war with them. there is going to be i think, significantly stronger support for the kremlin's campaign in syria now. so that will give the kremlin free rein to ramp up in syria if they desire to do so. that may not be boots on the ground but in terms of ramping up airstrikes, i think we'll almost certainly see that. >> right, and russia has been
accused of not targeting isis in the majority of airstrikes it has conducted but actually going against rebel troops in syria, with assad. and it is in keeping with president bashar assad in place. will that change, do you think, matthew, with regards to russia's military involvement? >> reporter: yes, according to independent observers it has been something like 20% of the russian airstrikes striking against isis, the rest of them have been non-isis groups opposed to bashar assad. the russian kremlin strategy is clearly to bolster president assad. they don't want to see him fall. and one of the reasons for that is that they see the syrian government as the mainstay support against further spread of isis. so i don't think we're going to see them take their pressure off the anti-isis groups.
but we could see them intensify airstrikes against the islamic state over the coming days and weeks, as well, as a response to this airliner bombing. >> matthew chance is our cnn correspondent in moscow. with the latest on our breaking news, russian media reporting that the bomb brought down the plane -- >> not just the media, vladimir putin essentially discussing the fact that the bomb brought down that plane. >> and vowing revenge. >> so there is that breaking news, u.s. secretary of state john kerry in a meeting with french president francois hollande. our coverage continues here on cnn in paris in just a moment.
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paris. the russian president vladimir putin now says that the metrojet a-321 crash in the sinai desert of egypt was indeed brought down by explosives. >> and that bomb, a one kilogram bomb, about two pounds or so not big but big enough to take it down and kill all 224 people on board. authorities believe the bomb was homepa homemade. >> all right, and vladimir putin is not mincing words, he is discussing the aerial bombardment campaign, what will they do with the special ops they have in syria and the support they have in this bombing campaign in syria? matthew chance, our correspondent, said there was no chance of that in syria. but what starts with a sort of very small level of military
involvement in the air, the safety of the air, sometimes becomes something bigger. >> and to be clear, isis says they are responsible for the attack and sources say that isis is likely behind it. >> all right, new developments, new video surfaced out of the scene outside the bataclan theater that was the deadliest site of the attack. >> yes, the desperation shown of people as they try to escape, just an incredible act of courage. anderson cooper has more details. >> reporter: the woman hanging from the window is clearly desperate. she shouts out that she is pregnant. on the street below, there is chaos and confusion. concertgoers spilling out into an alleyway. some are seen lying on the ground, others run for their lives. the woman hangs from the window
the shooting continues. then after more than two minutes the camera captures a man on a nearby ledge tentatively making his way back onto the ledge, pulling her back into safety. the woman says she since reached out to him to thank him for saving her and the life of her baby. the last image we see, two men struggling to pull another victim out of the street. >> all right, unbelievable when you see this amateur footage, the poor woman saying i'm pregnant, i can't hold on anymore. thankfully somebody pulled her back in. >> you see the best and the worst, the amazing fear and also the stunning courage displayed by people in the face of that fear. >> absolutely, thank you for joining us on the paris attacks. we'll have a lot more after a quick break, i'm hala gorani. >> and i'm john berman, more after this, you're watching cnn. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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an explosion brought down metro jet a-23 plane in sinai. the plane shows signs of explosives and one kilogram bomb killed all 224 people on board. the russian president is speaking today. >> the russian leader said in the carefully staged media event, they believe it was a one kilogram bomb. isis has claimed responsibility. i want to get to matthew chance in moscow following the developments. matthew, explain to me how the russian leader broke this news? >> reporter: you often get this information. especially on the state television or news. a meeting or staged briefing. this time with the president of russia putin and head of the security