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and good morning, i'm carroll costello. thank you so much for joining me. just in, new arrests in connection with the paris attacks. german media reporting three have been arrested near the west german down. and russia makes a startling announcement. investigators there now concede it was a bomb that apparently downed the airliner over egypt last month. putin vows to intensify air strikes and at this hour we're seeing signs it may already have started. france dispatches in the wave of
war planes into the syria. and overnight security forces carry out 128 new raids searching for anyone possibly connected to the paris attacks. and there are new details on the suspected master mind. the u.s. intelligence deemed him a grave threat earlier this year and western allies tried to kill him but had trouble tracking him in syria. u.s. secretary of state john kerry meatus are francois hollande. and next wooek he visits the white house. and secretary kerry is saying the global momentum is building. >> there is a new awareness coming together in this coalition. which we built. the coalition has only been in existence for a year. one year. one year ago we didn't have a coalition. one month ago we didn't have a political process in place, which we now have with iran and with russia at the table. >> we have extensive coverage
for do you morning. cnn east matthew chance is in moscow with the apparent bombing of that russian airliner and the murder of all 224 people on board. >> well, for the first time russia has confirmed it was a bomb causing the downing of that metro jet airliner killing all 224 people on board. the head of the russian security services telling state television, appearing on state television briefing president putin rather saying it was unambiguous later risk act. he said traces of foreign-made explosive were found in the airline debris and passenger belongs. he said the bomb was about one kilo weight of tnt or the equivalent.
which accounted for the wreckage being spread across a wide area. also they are saying they are offering a reward of $50 million for any information that will lead to those responsible for the plane crash and the act. vladimir putin the russian president has been swift in his response. >> translator: the murder of o our people in sinai is one of the bloodiest in terms of the number of victims of such crimes. we won't easily wipe away the tears in our hearts and our souls. it will stay with us forever. but that will not stop us from finding and punishing the perpetrators. we should not apply any time limits. we knee to know all the perpetrators by name. we will search for thefr everywhere, wherever they are hiding. we will find them in any spot to be planet and we will punish them. >> not identifying isis in those
remark but saying the russian air strikes in syria, remember they say primary focused on isis will intensify. and to show that the criminals understand that revenge is unavoidable. so vladimir putin there leading the charge for retribution against those who carried out the bombing of that met ro jet acresa 321. >> france says the paris terror attacks have put the country at war isis and its military is responding in kind. poppy harlow in paris with more. >> good morning carol. also we're learning new developments this morning, really haunting reports when you consider all this ux of a missed opportunity. sources telling us the suspected master mind of these deadly attacks in paris was not only on
the radar of u.s. intelligence but also in the cross-hairs of many western allies. clarissa ward here breaking it down for us. and when you look at men so young, radicalized. you have spent the last year studying these jihadi, talking to them. >> i think sometimes we don't give them a lot of credit. they are actually very technologically savvy. they know which messenger services to use. they use sure spot which is encrepted. they start secret chats which are encrypted also they are street smart. a lot of them come from criminal backgrounds. abboud being a good example of that. he was involved in a street gang in brussels the suburb where he came from. and what does that mean? it means you have this dual effect, a toxic brew. on the one hand a jihadi that's
radicalized. and on the other hand a criminal who knows how to avoid police, who knows how to avoid protection, how do get weapons -- exactly. and that combination, that hybrid, if you will, has given rice to this new kind of terrorist which is all the more tough and difficult for intelligence forces to find. >> a new kind of terrorist who are we're hearing is able to be radicalized so much more quickly. within a matter of weeks. and you know where they are taken first and how it works. >> it is really interesting because when you talk to different jihadis inside syria and iraq t most dangerous ones really. the isis ones specifically. they don't tend to have a grown one a good understanding of islam. they did grow up in practicing religious families many of them. they came to their religion much later in life which makes them much more vulnerable. these were street kids who get radicalized. they want meaning in their life. they want to feel empowered and the minute they set foot they
are put into this training camp they are there to learn this toxic ideology. they are inculcated, indrinted day in and day out. and in a matter of weeks, i talked to one jihadi before he joined isis and after. and the gulf in his thinking and communication and his view of the world was just so striking, i've never seen anything quite like it. and it is also important to remember that the effect of living in a the war zone. it is dehumanizing. i it is brutal iezing. it changes sensitivities. that combined with that toxic indoctrination is just a deadly mix. >> why is it that we cannot seem to combat that? is it because there is no better
opportunities presented to them? >> that's part of it. but also it is so difficult to know when people are becoming radicalized. i talked to one official who called it bedroom jihadi. online in the rooms, at night. even their families often don't know it's happening. >> and once it's done, it's done isn't it? we can't change their minds. clarissa. thank you. i want to go to ivan watson because right now a massive man hunt is underway this morning for this man. abdeslam has slipped through the p grip of authorities. he's believed to be a longstanding associate of the man we were just speaking about. [inaudible] >> well the belgian federal prosecutor tells me that three
of the paris suspects in the paris attacks, including salah abdeslam, they were both on the radar of belgian officials long before the attacks tack took place. in the case of the abdeslam and his brother they had both been questioned perhaps as early as february 2015. they first caught the attention of authorities here when the older brother, e-- the third suspect, who was also a suicide bomb ner paris last friday night. he was a resident of the city, the capital, brussels. and was believed to have traveled to syria where he was a
suspected jihadi fighter. what the belgian authorities did not know was that he had come back to europe, apparently evading the international arrest warrant that had been issued to him. much like international arrest warrants have been issued to most other belgian citizens who are known and believed to have traveled to syria to fight. the belgian prosecutor went on the say the authorities have their hands full just keeping track of 130 belgian citizens and residents who have already traveled to syria to become jihadis and who have since returned and they do not have the manpower to keep track of the hundreds of additional people who are radicalize and believed to want to travel to syria. they don't have enough to keep an eye on everyone. now, a third brother, mohamad
abdul salah. he was brief ly detained this weekend after the criminal attacks. and subsequently released. he spoke out for his family. >> you have to understand in spite of of the tragedy my family is in shock. we do not know what has happened. my family and i are affected by what has happened. we did not think for a moment that our of our brother's was related to these attacks. >> -- subject of a man hunt. briefly intercepted after the pairgs atta paris attacks and then released. belgian investigators say the car he was traveling in from paris was found here in this very neighborhood that his family lives in after the belg b
attacks. the prosecutors are preparing for the worst case scenario, as long as that man is still at large. >> absolutely. it is incredible to hear what you heard this morning ivan, that 130 of these suspected jihadis they are having a hard time keeping an eye on 130 of them. imagine as that number grows. thank you very much, carol. back to you in new york. >> authorities are ramping up security after new threats by isis. the group vowing to take aim at washington d.c. they are beefing up patrols and adding canine police dogs around the city. >> fbi will tell you there is no specific credible threat. that is their language. but there is a threat. there is always a presumed threat. and that is what they are guarding against right now. isis and other groups are intent on hitting america.
and a release yesterday has members threatening to attack washington d.c. isis has a lethal external operations agenda. they are exporting terror and doing it by hitting the weak spots, the so called soft targets like malls and restaurants and concert halls. so many citizens are now doing what you would expect to do in those city. they are being extra individuality and they avigilan and increasing surveillance in certain areas. k-9s and screening additional bags. >> we've had a significant up tick in calls for suspicious activity and suspicious packages and we respond to those accordingly. but that is exactly what we want from our community. oi think that is the direction we want to keep going. the use of our technology out here today in conjunction with with our work with the community
is really going to be the key for us to keep the city safe. >> and new york is tacking it even one step further. the head of counterterrorism is taking very aggressive tactics. they are training upwards of 500 tactical officers, they are going to be heavily armed and armored. they are going to be wearing a lot of protective gear and they are also going to be highly trained. a hundred of those officers hit the streets yesterday. and as we saw with paris it is very easy to hit soft targets. you know they are very difficult to protect. so the question is what do you protect? even here in new york it is going to be a reactive measure. not necessarily proactive. proactive comes with real hard intelligence you can look at it. paris didn't get that warning even though there were certain signs. in retrospect, you can connect. but it is a new paradigm. america, we check bags going out of malls. in israel, they check bags going
into malls. that is the question. where is your check point? and how do you tighten security at the soft targets? >> thank you so much. still to come. dozens of governors say syrian refugees are not welcome. what does that mean for the white house's plan to september 10 240us refugees into the united states? (wind noise) what's happening here... is not normal, it's extraordinary. you're not sure what's on the other side... but momentum pushes you forward.
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today. get this free calculator just for requesting a quote. shameful and not american. sharp criticism from president obama who slammed lawmakers pushing back on his plan to allow 10,000 syrian refugees into the united states next year. the president's comments coming as governors in 27 states, more than half of the nation say they oppose letting syrian refugees into their states. all but one, new hampshire have republican governors among them. new jersey's chris christie. he spoke out to conservative radio host hugh hewitt. >> the refugee policy, what
would chris christie's policy be vis-a-vis, you know, there are hundreds of thousands of syrians who would love to come to the united states. the president says let's bring in ten,000. i'm not sure what your policy is. what is it chris christie? >> i do not trust the administration to appropriately vet them. so i would not permit them. >> what about orphans under five. >> we could come up with lots of scenarios and i don't think orphans under five should be admitted into the united states at this point. >> of course that was kind of a loaded question pause you remember that emotional picture of the father holding his syrian child dead in his arms after the child drowned trying to escape syria. americans are uneasy at the moment. can the administration guarantee
no terrorists will slip through the cracks? >> well we can never guarantee anything to 100%. but i will tell you, sitting on the homeland security committee and the armed services committee that both of the agencies do bio metric search, talk to other intel, take a look at families. 75% of the people who are -- or exiting are actually women and children. and i believe that we do a very thorough background investigation. and when we can't find the information we want, when there is a gap we actually don't allow them in. so i just don't agree with governor christie that he -- that he doesn't trust this administration. first of all this administration are civil servants are people who do this regardless of who the president is. >> well chris christie isn't alone in his thoughts. donald trump sent out a tweet
this morning saying quote, refugees from syria are now pouring into our great country. who knows who they are. some could be isis. is our president insane? first of all because i like facts i want to present the big picture for my viewers. according to the u.s. state department in fiscal 2013, only 36 refugees were allowed into the united states from syria. that said, president obama is planning to allow 10,000 into the country next year. in light of what happened in paris, should he do that? or should the refugees coming from syria be a trickle like it is now? >> first of all, as you have noted this pouring in. they are not pouring in. there is a very extensive process by which refugees come into this country. in fact usually congress has alotted a certain amount of s t slots and we never even get
through two-thirds of the way of the year and these refugees being allowed into the united states. orange county california has always been a beacon of bringing people in through our faith-based organizations and with non profits working there. i happen to know how difficult arduous the project -- the program is in order for people to come in. and let me tell you, taking 10,000 refugees. and i don't even believe we have the process that will actually vet and bring 10,000 in. but that is a drop in the bucket compared to what we are seeing other countries like germany and france and other european countries. remember that the very people who are leaving syria are the strong ones. are the ones who have stayed on despite the fact that there would be a cafe bombing or a bus bombing. these are now people who are
scared for their children's future because bombs are being dropped on them. bombs are being dropped on them sometimes by us. now by the russians, by assad. by isis. they are just caught in the middle of what really is nasty -- >> i do think -- i do think americans understand that. but i think they are understandably concerned at this particular time in light of what happened in paris. i want you to listen to something senator cruz told dana bash about syrian refugees. let's listen. >> what about muslims who are victims? >> yeah. >> -- of the radical islamic terrorists who are taking their religion and their hijacking it? what about protecting those people? >> there is no doubt that millions of people are suffering from the rise of radical islamic terrorisms. christian, jews and other museum -- >> shouldn't be allowed in the u.s.? >> what i'm saying is syrian muslim refugees should be resettled in the middle east in
majority muslim countries. >> so in other words, persecuted christians and jews should be allowed to come to the united states but not persecuted muslims because it is too dangerous and they should be relocated in the middle east where they are from. >> well first of all -- >> is that reasonable to you? >> first of all let's look from two angles. the first as americans that is a terrible thing to say that we will only allow jus and christians into our country and not muslims. that is so un-american i don't want to even spend more time on it. but some other issue that they should be resettled in other countries. what do you think is already happening? they are taking refugees. and the northern portion of iraq where there still is civil war and the brunt of attack's have come. so there have been plenty of
middle east earn countries who have taken these people in whether they wanted to or whether they just flood into their country. these people are escaping something going on that is so terrible. it is mostly women and children. if they are to come to the united states there is an extensive process and if we are not comfortable with the information the intel we have on these, they simply do not get into our country. >> congresswoman loretta sanchez of california. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. still to come. did europe's porous borders make it easier to launch an attack in paris? could it happen here? start with a positive attitude... and positively radiant skin. aveeno® positively radiant moisturizer... with active naturals® soy. aveeno® naturally beautiful results®.
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costello. along with poppy harlow in paris. there are many questioning where intelligence authorities aren't watching more closely the attackers? after all the suspected ring leaders was featured in an isis magazine back in february claiming he had traveled to europe. at one point u.s. authorities raised the red flag. and then there is salah abdeslam on the loose. he was subject to a routine check in austria back in september and in february questioned by investigators. this is a man believed to have a radicalized his 13-year-old brew brother. and then samy amimour. his father even went to syria to bring his son back but was unsuccessful. in light of those possible intelligence failures, could such failures happen in the united states? with me now again from paris,
poppy har law and paul crookshank, and cedric lleyton. good morning all of you. what are people saying in france about these possible intelligence breeches? >> i think they are incredible disturbed. i spoke with many many people here since i've been on the ground since saturday morning. i have family members who told me they don't want to be afraid but are afraid. the fact that these terrorists are able to communicate via this encrypted technology apps like telegraphs a clarissa was telling us at the top of the program, that even the best intelligence in the world can't ahold of or translate, if you will, is incredibly frightening. when you look at french intelligence it is much the best in the world. i will tell you there are 150 --
1500 troops across paris right now and also one of our correspondents witnessed plain clothed police officers going door to door with bullet proof vests on with assault rifles, questioning people. this is a much more proactive force you are seeing out there right now. they are not taking anything for granted. people are nervous and now it is about what can they do on the street with brute force? and what information can they get and not get because of all of this encrypted technology these terrorists are communicating through? i think that is the scariest part people tell me here. >> and after the "charlie hebdo" attacks french intelligence services were greatly improved but those improvements are still in process, aren't they? >> well look heerks here is the unfortunate rooeltd carol. the threat is just too big right now. even if they triple the amount of manpower t amount of resources they would be nowhere
close to having a handle on this. and they are going to be nowhere close to having a handle on this in -- for the foreseeable future. the threat is just too big. we're talks about 6,000 europeans travelled to syria and iraq and hooked one groups like isis. tens of thousands of radicalized individuals across europe. the syrian civil war, the declaration of this so called islamic state has really electrified extremists here in europe it's led to a huge explosion in their numbers. these are people who are deeply angered that countries like france and belgium and the united states are attacking their caliphate. and they believe that it is their religious duty to do something about it. they believe they are going to go paradise if they do it. so they are willing to die. they are craving death. so this is the new normal these kind of attacks. i think we're going to be in a
lot more central squires in europe in the months ahead because ice sis the richest terrorist group in history. its got everything it needs to unleash a wave of carnage in europe and particularly all the evidence at this point, all the intelligence points to them launching a string of terrorist plots against the west, against france in particular and there is ring leader -- suspected ring leader all the intelligence points to him leading a string of plots in recent months. >> you know we're trying to answer the question is an attack like paris likely in the united states and of course it is a possibility i just don't want to panic people here in the united states because i'd like to give them all of the information. and cedric, i guess aisle post to this. the borders in europe. they are much more porous than the borders here.
syrian terrorists can come through greece into france. they have to fly into the united states. so does that make it easier for american authorities to stop them? >> in a way it does. you are looking at a mechanism of control at that point where the airplane lands and they get out and have to go through u.s. customs. and when you watch u.s. customs and border patrol operations they are pretty extensive. they are not foolproof but they are pretty expensive and they work very hard too get intel from sources over seas and work very hard also to apply that intelligence to actually countering the movement of terrorists or alleged terrorists through our area. and one of the ways we do that of course is through the no fly list that we have. >> and the other point that i'd like to make paul is in the united states, extremists tend to be isolated. right? in brussels, for example, you have hot beds of extremist communities. here in the united states you have just one or two lone wolves
attacking. it is not this big coordinated attack. does that make it less likely that a huge coordinated attack might happen within the united states? >> absolutely right, carol. they are just fewer american whose are attracted by this ideology. the american muslim community is really very well integrated. the vast majority of them absolutely detest isis. they see it as a corruption of the religion. so you are seeing the many -- traveling to syria and iraq. so i think the bigger concerned is that it could be an isis-inspired attempt we say see in the following weeks. people who are radicalized by the ideology. actually decreased numbers of americans traveling from the united states. some of those numbers who stay behind may feel motivated to act. and of course you have all of those massively powerful weapons
they can easily legally buy in gun stores and that is a concern in the united states they don't have in europe. they have to go on the black market for these. in the united states perfect legal to get extraordinarily -- >> i think you are so right to try no not scare the american public. it is a very different situation there. we heard secretary ash carter coming out and saying today that, you know, lone wolffs are the biggest fear for the people here in the united states. people near paris say we need to talk to each other more. one woman said to he we need to know each other so we don't kill each other. and that is an important fact. the more you can diminish that the parisians here are saying to me, the better things will get. >> i have to leave it there. thanks to you all. still to come in the newsroom,
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the car that he rented. we are told it had belgian plates. the question now is where is he and who has helped move him if he is not there? also to give you context, in that same part of paris t 18th district, plain clothed police officers were going door to door questioning people. this is all now coming together since that is the same area where they found this car that belonged to 26-year-old salah abz lan who is on the run right now. >> thank you. to the world of politics. senator cruz wailing against president obama calling his plan shameful and nothing short of lunacy. cruz sat down to defend his religious test for refugees. >> senator, president obama called you out. when he was speaking in turkey. and he said it was shameful for saying that there should be effectively a religious test for
refugees, especially since you come from a family where there was political persecution. and you family benefitted from the policies of america allowing refugees in. >> well, you know, look, it is not surprising that president obama is attacking me personally. aisle tell you what's shameful, is that we have a president who after seven years still refuses to utter the words radical islamic terrorist. what they are proposing is that we bring to the country tens of thousands of syrian muslim refugees. i have to say particularly in light of what happened in paris that is nothing short of lunacy. >> what would have happened if your father was trying to get from there to the united states and the political leaders say said nope? >> see that is why it's important to define what it is we're fighting. if my father were part of a
theocratic and political movement like radical islamism that promotes murdering anyone who doesn't share your extreme faith or forcibly converting them, then it would make perfect sense. >> but what about muslims who are victims of the radical islamic terrorists taking their religion and hijacking it? what about protecting those people? >> there is no doubt that millions are suffering from the rise of radical islamic terrorisms. christians are -- >> are you saying muslims shouldn't be allowed in the u.s. >> what i'm saying is syrian muslim refugees should be resettled in the middle east -- >> bhabt american boots on the ground in syria? >> you know i think there are far too many politicians when it comes to boots on the ground that are eager just to commit to poots on the ground to show how tough they are. i think the objective should be destroying isis and the question of the military tactics and
strategy should be driven heavily by the expert judgment of our commanders and generals. i've met with a great many, and i believe that overwhelming air power plus arming the kurds is sufficient to take out isis. now, it may well take some embedded special forces to direct some of that air power. but i don't think you should have politicians playing risk and saying i want to send in so many troops to show how tough i am. that is now how we should make these decisions. >> and senator cruz told me that he was heading back to washington to introduce legislation some time this week, carol to formally make it illegal to outlaw syrian muslim refugees from this country. we'll see what that legislation looks like hopefully in the next couple days. >> dana bash, thank you. aisle be right back.
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continuing coverage from paris. this morning the survivors of the terror attack at the bataclan concert hall still trying to come to terms with what happened to them that night. 35-year-old pierre was at the concert. it was the eagles of death metal show. something he told me he was very much looking forward to. all of a sudden, three gunmen started firing indiscriminately at people. he shared his terrifying account with us. pierre's hands still tremble when he remembers the horror.
>> those guns, like -- and you just see all the people just falling to the floor with all the blood. and they just -- they are just like 17 years old or 20 years old. just so young people, arabic ones, black ones, white ones. >> reporter: he capital believe he's alive, sitting next to me, recounting the most fer fiing time of his life. >> i feel guilty to be alive. >> reporter: you feel guilty that you survived? >> of course. >> reporter: did you see any of the gunmen? >> the terrorists? yeah. with the guns. they just, like -- >> reporter: they did not have masks on? >> no, no, no. >> reporter: like so many others in the bataclan that night, he thinks nothing of the first shot. >> at the beginning, i thought it was just a joke.
>> reporter: really? >> part of the show. >> reporter: and when did you realize? >> when you saw all those guys just falling on the floor, blood everywhere. everybody just praying. >> reporter: did being in the bathroom save your life? you were in the bathroom with three people. >> behind the door. >> reporter: just minutes later he sees the terrorists' feet through the crack of the door. you heard them preparing a bomb and talking about the hostages. how long did you hide in the bathroom? >> 2 1/2 hours. >> reporter: 2 1/2 excruciating hours before police barge in. when did you finally come out? >> translator: when the s.w.a.t. team launched the raid, they started shooting at the door. they started shooting at everyone. the terrorist responded by shooting back and they blew themselves up and everything exploded.
the lights went down. there was smoke everywhere. and then we understood it was the police, so we opened the door and they put the gun to my forehead. >> reporter: the police? >> translator: and we were like this. >> reporter: finally, after the police came in, you walked over corpses, you walked over dead bodies. >> translator: the concert hall floor was covered in bodies, flood. blood on the walls. blood everywhere. bits of fabric, bags. it's the apocalypse. it's the apocalypse. >> reporter: two of his friends die in the attack. walking out alive, he has one thought. >> we have to love everybody. we have to love the differences. we have to smile. that's the -- that's our fight against the terrorists. >> you know, carol, many of those who survived there that night did so by playing dead. others hid for hours and hours, just like pierre until the blood bath stopped. we know at least 89 people were
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happening now in the "newsroom" -- a homemade bomb. what russia says brought down a passenger jet. now vladimir putin vows revenge. also -- a manhunt for a suspected mastermind and missed warning signs. the u.s. says it sounded the alarm about the terror allegedly behind the paris attacks six months ago.
plus, rejecting refugees. >> i do not trust this administration to effectively vet the people who are proposed to be coming in in order to protect the safety and security of the american people. >> dozens of governors say, don't send them to my state. and two gop candidates want to put a pause on place on a national level. >> syrian muslim refuse geese should be settled in the middle east in majority muslim countries. >> what should our role be? let's talk, live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. today's front line in the war on terror right now in paris, french president francois hollande is about to speak at a united nations conference. the forum was scheduled long before friday's terror attacks that exploded across the city and in hollande's words, thrust
his nation. president francois hollande has started speaking. >> translator: present to the conference, present to his active council, director general, ladies and gentlemen, representatives of your different country, i address you in particularly painful circumstances. as you've just referred to. but i want to be amongst you after the disgusting, cowardly attack which took place on friday night. i want to say all the symbol which i attach to my presence, i'm here at unesco, the organization that brings together countries for peace and culture. and that is the reason why it is
important to be here amongst you, to hear and participate in this conference, to remind us of these values. its values and principles. and this will, which was that following the barbarity of the second world war to make culture, science and education prevail over totalitarianism. i want to thank those gestures which have come from the entire world. the sydney opera house, parliament of egypt, east in china and new york, with those who have been sung by placido domingo, all these places, all your countries, covered with the
colors of the french flag with the same message of solidarity that was addressed to us. it was also the same trust that once again you wanted to bear test me of the strength of france and carrying her values because the killers wanted to damage was the very idea of france. her values, her youth, her vitality, her culture, her art of living, aiming at cafes, a place where a show and a stadium, the jihadists wanted to strike at us, at you, where we can exchange, share, laugh, enjoy ourselves, and these
killers, such cowardly killers thought that they could attack people of all ages, all nationalities, all social classes, all religions. they were also thinking of a cambodian restaurant, of an american concert, an international football match, places frequented by people from many different countries, 19 amongst the victims of the drama friday night. they thought of weakening the french passion for receiving the whole world to reduce this pride we have of being a country that accepts all cultures. and they have already lost that fight. today, standing up, determined,
faced with terror, we want to mark this indestructible belief in freedom, in the dialogue of cultures. everything which goes against obje obscurism, fundamentalalism, history teaches us it is always totalitarianism and fundamentalalism which burns books, destroys heritage and tries to remove the memory of those who preceded them. and if with are at war, we are at war against terrorism and jihadism, war for civilization because these extremists have not brought any trace of civilization. the response must be pitiless,
both externally and internally. it is against the commanders we know where they are in syria and against their -- encompasses, including in france and their armed groups. they cannot hide themselves. we cannot suspend our economic, cultural lives by stopping concerts, theaters, sporting competitions. no, we will not give in to terrorism by suspending our way of life. we will not give up anything. that is why after the emotion, france, with the same dignity will face up to this by
remaining herself with city of theaters, cinemas, museums, shows, because culture will always be at home in france because living shows something which is alive in france, and cinema which brings in a broad public and all the museums are open again to let the visitors discover the wonders that exist of our heritage, france is an open -- >> we're going to get away from president hollande. as you heard him say, life will not change in france in light of these terrorist attacks. we have poppy harlow, atika shubert and matthew chance in russia. poppy, do the people of france feel the same? >> reporter: i mean, they absolutely do, carol. you heard president francois
hollande say there, we will not give into terrorism by giving up our way of life, the french way of life, live every moment. they've been doing that since friday night. they've been doing that pouring into the squoer at place de la republique. even when the government said, stay inside, we're on the hunt for the eighth terrorist. they told me if they stay inside, if they stop going to the cafes, if they stop living their life, then the terrorists have won. so, i think he's echoing what the french people have told him with their actions. >> in the meantime, the investigation goes on. atika shubert, there is a new development. can you tell us about it? >> reporter: that's right, carol. i'm actually right on the spot where a black cleo car was called into police. we now understand that that car was rented by the eighth suspect currently on the run. you can actually see some of the broken glass here. that's from the car. it's been towed away since. the car was parked right here. we're trying to figure out
exactly when it was parked here. what's interesting is that this is the 18th district of paris. there were no attacks that happened here, but isis, when it put out its claim of responsibility, said there had been an attack here. so now police are trying to piece this together. why was that car here? was the suspect here at the 18th arrondissement? did something go wrong? we don't know at this point. police are trying to put the leads together and also trying to figure out where he is right now. >> police were going door to door, atika? >> reporter: that's right. they were going door to door in this neighborhood. we saw them actually with a photo showing it to residents and shopkeepers here, asking if they had seen this car, when it arrived. we also know in the cafe behind there, they asked for some cctv footage to determine the timeline of events. it's all part of the ongoing investigation, carol. >> all right.
also an investigation going on in moscow n russia. matthew chance is here to tell us about that. the russians finally came right out and said it. the bringing down of that aircraft was, indeed, terrorism. >>, yeah i mean, the russians have been -- may have been slow in the past to acknowledge terrorism could have been a factor, but they were first when it came to confirming it was, indeed, a bomb that took down that metrojet airliner killing all on board when it flew out of sharm el sheikh toward st. petersburg last month. the successor organization to the kgb said it was a bomb with explosive charges equivalent to about one kilogram or 2.2 pounds of tnt. traces of that explosive, which he said was foreign made, was found on fragments of the aircraft that had been recovered and from bits of luggage that had also been recovered. he said the fact it exploded in midair accounted for why the
debris from the fuselage had been spread over a large area. vladimir putin swift in his response. first saying on state television as the nation looked on that we will search for them, talking about the culprits, of course, everywhere. no matter where they're hiding, we'll find them in anyplace on the planet and punish them. the kremlin later confirmed -- clarified when he said punish, what he meant was destroyed. also the syrian enter vepgs russia has been so controversial engaged in over the past couple of months, that's already been intensified. vladimir putin confirming that before the details became known. saying we won't just continue with it, we're going to intensify it so that the criminals understand revenge is unavoidable. the russian president clearly pointing the finger of blame at isis, whom it says it is targeting most of all, inside syria with its campaign of now extremely intensive air strikes. air strikes that have been added
to over the course of the past 24 hours with new weapon systems. for the first time strategic long-range bombers have been used and submarines have been used to launch cruise missiles, 34 in the past 24 hours, at targets inside syria. the russians are really, really upping their game when it comes to striking at targets inside syria right now. as a response to these latest intelligence revelations. >> so you have president putin of russia, and he's vowing to destroy isis. the british prime minister is asking parliament right now to okay air strikes over syria. that vote is going through parliament right now. you you have france declaring war on isis, poppy. >> reporter: you absolutely do. those were some of the first words out of president hollande's words after the attacks on friday night. this is war, making that clear. right now, carol, authorities are doing everything that they can, everything they can to try to hunt down this eighth
terrorist, salah abdeslam, 26-year-old who's living in belgium. it's important to remember, he was stopped at the belgian border. he was questioned after the attacks but then they let him go because they didn't know he was connected at the time. today we learned he was also the subject of a quote/unquote, routine check in austria back in september appear also in february he was questioned by belgian investigators. someone who was questioned three times and let go. he's believed to have been radicalized -- to have also radicalized his 13-year-old brother, if you can believe it. let's talk more about it with cnn international correspondent ivan watson in brussels with us. joined by cnn security expert peter bergen. you spoke to the belgian prosecutor and they said something that is incredibly disturbing. they are preparing for the worst and they can, quote, barely keep an eye on the 130 people who have returned from syria. 130 and they can barely keep an
eye on them. >> well, that's right. i mean, belgium has this dubious distinction of being a major recruiting ground for jihadis who have been joining the islamic state and fighting in syria. this little country of 11 million people has had, by some estimates, close to 500 volunteer foreign fighters. according to belgian authorities, about 130 of them have since returned home. and the belgian federal prosecutor says the law enforcement here have their hands full, keeping an eye on them. they are the first priority category of radicalized belgian citizens. the two brothers who are key suspects in the paris attacks, the abdeslam brothers, the younger of which is salah abdeslam, who is on the run right now, and an older one, brahim abdeslam, who is believed to have been one of the suicide bombers in the paris attacks friday night, they had both
caught the attention of investigators here. notably after the older brother apparently tried to go to syria earlier this year and was deported by turkish officials back to belgium. that prompted authorities here to question both brothers at the beginning of this year. eventually to let them go because they both insisted they did not want to go to syria. that is, again, according to the belgian federal prosecutor. well, months later, both of them implicated in the deadliest attack that france has seen since world war ii. in addition to that, there is a third support, another suicide bomber, in the paris attack. his name is bilal hadfi. they knew he was a volunteer fighter fighting in syria. what they did not know is somehow he had gotten himself back into europe and later discovered to have blown himself
up in paris. at least three of the suspects in the paris attacks were all on the radar of belgian authorities, but that wasn't enough to stop them from carrying out this deadly series of attacks. >> ivan watson, live in brussels, thank you very much. peter bergen, you heard ivan outline the problem here. even though they're under the nose of police, they were questioned, they still carried this out. some intelligence experts have said to me, the only way you prevent this again is through preventive detention, but that is something western civilization can't stomach. do you agree that's the only way at this point? >> well, i agree western civilization has long established the idea you can't just hold people indefinitely without charging them. that's been a concept that's been around since the magna carta, and that's the basis of all civilized legal systems. mass preventive detentions is
not something any western society should engage in. in fact, poppy, when you look at any of these kinds of incidents there's always integs in the system that wasn't properly processed. think of the boston attacks where the fbi knew tam lan tsarnaev who was part of the attack, they questioned him and then dropped the assessment. similarly before the 9/11, cia knew two members of al qaeda were living in cal. the fbi knew there was an islamist militant who is getting flying lessons in minnesota. the list goes on and on. i mean, this is not to excuse these intelligence failures. it's to say that it is extremely rare in this kind of incident that somebody involved or many people involved in the plot haven't come to the attention of authorities. >> wow. peter bergen, thank you very much for that. stay with us. carol, i'll send it back to you in new york. still to come in the
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i want to take you briefly to our nation es capital, washington, d.c., where they are speaking at the weekly shin dig with the press. paul ryan said, our nation has always been welcoming, but we can't let terrorists take advantage of our compassion. let's listen. >> what happened in pair rigs -- paris is pure evil. i just want to say our prayers and condolences go out to the victims and the french people. it's clear this was an act of war and that the world needs american leadership. the national defense bill that i will sign later today requires the president to come up with a plan for defeating isis, not just containing, but defeating
isis. a containment plan is not enough. that has failed. in addition, the majority leader and our committee chairs are developing a plan to address the syrian refugee crisis. our nation has always been welcoming, but we cannot let terrorists take advantage of our compassion. this is a moment where it's better to be safe than to be sorry. so, we think the prudent, the responsible thing is to take a pause in this particular aspect of this refugee program in order to verify that terrorists are not trying to infiltrate the refugee population. in the end, the ultimate solution to this crisis is a strategy to defeat isis. all of this rises above politics. this is not about politics. this is about national security. and so we will invite all of our colleagues, republicans and democrats, to work with us quickly to address the urgent nature of this situation.
>> of course, france is also struggling with how to defeat isis. poppy harlow is in paris with more on that. hi, poppy. >> that's exactly right, carol. the french military again overnight last night pounding isis targets in syria with those air strikes. french war plans carrying out a new round of air strikes on raqqah, the de facto capital. today we know a french aircraft carrier, the charles de gaulle, has moved into the eastern mediterranean. cnn international correspondent nick paton walsh joins me from erbil, iraq. i know you have some information on what exact targets they are hitting with these air strikes early this morning. >> reporter: the french minister of defense hasn't laid out what it was aiming at. it did say on the first night it was looking at a command center, a recruitment center, a again ishg terms. on that first night, the
activists in the city, main isis headquarters and jail buildings. last night they're saying about seven strikes, mostly to the south of the city and one other key isis parliament structure there saying a place known as the parking garage, yet another isis headquarters here. the significance of the charles de gaulle moving into the eastern mediterranean, it speeds up the ability of the french to refuel, to resupply their jets, to keep them in the sky longer, to have more of them there at one time. before that they have been flying out of jordan and the united arab emirates, three, four hours flight time away. this comes, the french second night of bombardments. the russians have launched a staggering number of cruise missiles. accurate, but there are been problems. the sheer volume of firepower focused toward raqqah are quite staggering, poppy. >> absolutely. we don't have any sense yet, do we, on the ground there, nick,
how many casualties, how many isis members have been taken out? >> reporter: well, activists there, they say there have been isis casualties but they can't tell the numbers because it's all dealt in great secrecy. they have been insistent, on their twitter account, there have been no civilian casualties. saying if there are some, they will let everybody know. the point they make in their anti-isis, in their outlook, is that there's some sense of relief among those who feel repressed and forced to stay in raqqah by isis when they hear those jets and bombs because they believe they will be targeting the militants instead of the citizens. the firepower has slightly increased, poppy. >> nick paton walsh, thank you, live in erbil, iraq, tonight. back to you. still to come in the "newsroom," after the attacks over there, officials ramping up security over here.
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. back here in united states, law enforcement is stepping up anti-terror efforts as a new isis video warns of an attack on the nation's capital. police are beefing up patrols and adding canine patrols around the city. the chief of the washington, d.c. metro police department talks to cnn about the way they fight terrorism. >> our communities are very, very sensitive to reporting things to the police. that's critical in this time. but we also have a great relationship with our federal partners. we were in constant contact on
friday, actually, as the attacks were unfolding. phone calls and information going back and forth. and, you know, we've been doing this a long time now. unfortunately, our wake-up call was more than ten years ago. so, we have a lot of practice now and things just happen automatically. >> let's talk about security here and abroad. cnn's poppy harlow is in paris and daniel gernsteen, former undersecretary at department of homeland security. welcome. i'll ask you in plain language. how afraid should americans be? >> well, i think it's important to understand that we live in a very dangerous time, but on the other hand, when you think about the attacks that we have seen in the united states to date, they have generally come from a very different sort of threat. we have been facing the attacks from lone wolf terrorists, from
self-radicalized individuals, so we have not seen necessarily the type of large-scale attack since 9/11 that has characterized what we've seen in paris, in beirut and in the russian airliner downing. >> what are people saying about security in paris in light of what happened there, poppy? >> they are nervous. they don't want to be scared, but they realize they've been attacked twice in ten months. "charlie hebdo" and now this. they do feel encouraged by the fact that there are 1500 troops now spread across paris. you've seen many more police officers on the corners here, with not just guns but with assault rifles. you had armed plain clothes officers going door to door in the 18th district. i'll tell you what it was like for me walking into a hotel. they asked me to open my purse and also for me to open my jacket so they could see if i was wearing anything. i mean, they are taking nothing
for granted. you had 128 raids here again overnight on top of 150 the night before. just speaks to the magnitude of precaution right now. >> all right. i want to focus a little bit about -- i want to focus a little on syrian refugees, daniel, because right now you have a number of lawmakers saying that the united states should admit no syrian refugees because they might be posing as syrian refugees that would really be terrorists. how afraid should we be that something like that might happen? >> well, to date, again, we haven't seen the coming together of a large-scale attack on this soil since the attacks of 9/11. rather what we've seen are individuals who have been self-radicalized. the other thing i would point out is europe has a particular problem in that they are contiguous to the syria, and so the possibility exists for people to emigrate and wind up in europe in very short order. here in the united states, it is
a much more difficult trip to get here. so, we also have not had the numbers of people who have been to syria and then returned. one quote that i saw said that in europe they had 6,000 people who had wound up on the battlefields in syria and then came back into europe. so, it's a very different threat that is faced. that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be vigilant, we shouldn't take prudent measures, but, rather, i would say the threat is very different. >> daniel gersupport tein and poppy, have i to leave it there. can the governors really stop the refugees from coming in?
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shameful and not american, sharp criticism from president obama who slammed lawmakers pushing back on his plan to allow 10,000 syrian refugees into the united states next year. his comments coming as governors in 27 states, more than half of the nation, say they oppose letting syrian refugees into their states. all but one, new hampshire, have republican governors. just minutes ago the house speaker, paul ryan, just spoke on capitol hill. he says president obama's plan to admit those 10,000 syrian refugees must be put on hold. not for political reasons, but for national security. cnn's joe johns following the story for us. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. first we had republican governors balking at the idea of more syrian refugees entering the country. then we had president obama pushing back on that idea just yesterday, saying it's
un-american to single them out. now we have house speaker paul ryan saying he thinks there needs to be greater scrutiny of syrian refugees entering the country. he's calling for a pause on the program that allows them to do so. and he has asked house majority leader kevin mccarthy to head up a task force to look into how to bring legislation to the floor of the house quickly on this very issue. let's listen to house speaker paul ryan just a few minutes ago. >> it's important that we have a refugee system in place. we respect that. but we think it's simply prudent that for this particular program, in this particular situation, that we be better guarded against any possible infiltration of isis coming through this program. that is why we think it's necessary to have a pause and to have a more comprehensive strategy dealing with guaranteeing that we do not allow isis members coming here. >> reporter: now, it sounds like
this program that he's calling for, this pause on allowing syrian refugees into the country would be pretty much open-ended and the task force, he's asked kevin mccarthy to head up, apparently will be made up of republicans. the fact of the matter is, democrats appear to be very opposed to the notion. they say the program that allows syrians into the country is a very careful vetting process and, in fact, lets very few syrians through the door. back to you. >> just to put this into perspective because i do have some numbers. according to the state department, in fiscal 2013, 36 syrian refugees were admitted into the united states. since 2011, the united states has accepted 2100 syrian refugees. i just wanted to put it all into perspective so that people are aware. going back to this committee, this task force that the speaker wants to form, it consists of
all republicans? >> reporter: that's what we're told right now. it apparently will consist of all republicans. apparently pretty clear they would also invite democrats. but it's clear that at least right now this is sort of falling along party lines. democrats falling in behind the president who has said they need to continue allowing syrians into the country, through this process, which includes very careful vetting. they say in the hopes of making sure that no terrorists get through the door, carol. >> admirable. paul ryan says this isn't political, so who is being political? is it the democrats or the republicans? >> reporter: well, million dollar question and that is always the million dollar question on capitol hill. nonetheless, paul ryan says this is an issue of national security and, quite frankly, a lot of republican governors have agreed with him, at least in principle, by their statements over the last day or so. >> all right.
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abdeslam slipped through authorities' grasp this weekend. one of his brothers, brahim, blew himself here on friday night. they say france tried to target the member abdelhamid abaaoud, he's said to be the mastermind but they have not been able to locate him. additionally, police arresting five people linked to the attacks they believe in paris. those arrests made in the german city of aachen. as this city grips and reels and mourns what has happened, i will tell you they are paying tribute to those 129 lives lost, still almost 400 people being treated for their injuries, gathering here at a beautiful memorial, gathered in the rain, at place de la republique, showing they will not be defeated despite two terror attacks in less than a year, carol. >> good to hear.
poppy harlow reporting live. the terrorists may have been able to plan in secret because they used heavily encrypted messaging techniques. the techniques, including a messaging app, difficult for intelligent services to monitor. so, what can one do to track their communication? cnn money tech correspondent laurie segall is here to explain. >> it's harder and harder, right? you have -- enkrepgs is a tool, but in the last year mainly after the snowden leaks you saw this go mainstream. you saw a lot of app developers building out encryption techniques. there's an app that people are beginning to pay attention to that over the last month more and more members of isis are using this, their private channels where you can broadcast messages. this is where isis actually put out the claim this is going to be the first of many attacks. this is where they took credit for downing the russian airliner. you know, it's hard for law
enforcement to actually even pay attention because this app is encrypted. it also offers secret chats. you can have members -- group chats with up to 200 people. so, this is just one of many many ways these guys are really connecting. it's almost a game of whack-a-mole. because of the encryption, they're moving beyond facebook, twitter, more savvy. >> it's scary. senator dianne feinstein said tech companies should re-evaluate selling these apps. >> there's this larger debate. the pendulum swings one way and then the paris attacks happen and it goes the other way. i spoke with the former nsa deputy director. he spoke about encryption, terrorism and how it makes it harder and harder to track terrorists. listen to what he said to me. >> when they collaborate across a big distance, using whatever codes they use, and we cannot
discern the nature of that conversation because it's encrypted end to end, that denies us the opportunity to understand in that incipient phase of the operation what's going on. that's a dangerous proposition. i saw dozens of times, more than likely, across my career where that was, in fact, an obstacle for us. >> i think now we see this privacy protection debate in the spotlight again because of these attacks, carol. >> i want to touch on edward snowden because cbs is reporting it's because of edward snowden, you know, the nsa is not monitoring conversations as it once did, and that's really why we're not hearing chatter to stop these kinds of attacks. is there anything to that? >> you know, i think -- i kind of expect that to happen. after this happened, i would expect that conversation to come up. that could be very likely. i mean, it is -- terrorists, i will say this, are probably just getting smarter and smarter about how the nsa has been detecting them. they're finding different ways every single day to communicate.
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france's soccer team is about to take the field for the first time since horror struck outside their national stadium on friday. in four hours they face off with england at wembley stadium in london. cnn's amanda davis is live at wembley with more. hi, amanda. >> reporter: hi, carol. this really is an international friendly that is nothing about who are the players on form ahead of next year's european championships. the buzz word of the day is very much defiance. and i have to say, with the
weather here at wembley stadium, it's a case of the fans and the players being very much defiant -- a storm passing through london here. there were the calls after the attacks friday night for this match to be canceled. remember, the french international team and the german opponents stayed overnight in the dressing rooms with suggestions the match would be called off, but the decision was taken by the football federation and the football association here in england for it to go ahead and solidarity and defiance are very much the buzz words. here on olympic way heading up to wembley stadium, you can see the colors of the trickle are proudly emblazoned on the front of this stadium. the words of the french anthem, liberty and fraternity emblazoned on the front. we understand there is going to be an increased police presence
here. as things stand, you can't see too much. we're still four hours away from kickoff. prince william, the duke of cambridge, is coming well, so too the british prime minister, david cameron. >> i hope the rain stops. amanda davis, thanks so much. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan joining you live from new york. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world this hour. >> and i'm john berman live in paris for cnn's special coverage of the attacks here and the hunt for the men behind them still on the run this morning. and there are new developments in just the last few minutes, including what has been found inside the