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hello, everyone. i'm poppy harlow live in paris. >> and i'm ashleigh banfield and a special edition of legal view. isis no longer contained in syria and iraq. it is tracked to the deadly bombings in beirut to the suicide blast to a funeral in baghdad to the coordinateed
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attacks in paris and the downing of a russian airliner. the wounded toll reaching over 623 just over the course of 2 1/2 weeks. let's begin with pairs in the worldwide hunt on for this man ab -- abdeslam saw la. and police say that he rented that vehicle that was used in the attacks, and also rented an apartment days before the attack, and the video from a french magazine, and as you can see, the police found syringes inside of the apartment, and syringes that may have been used in the making of those explosive
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attackers' suicide vests. across france overnight, a total of 128 new raids. the entire country in a state of emer emergency that could last three months. in germany, local media reporting that five people have been a arrested in connection with the paris attacks. this is as we are learning that france and the coalition allies t tried to target the alleged mastermind abdelhamid abaaoud in syria one month ago, but a source close to the investigation says that they could not definitively locate him. we want to take you lye to my colleague poppy harlow who is standing by in paris. pop poppy? >> ashleigh, thank you very much. the authorities today in belgium had at least three key suspects on the radar in the attacks that
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played out here in paris on friday night. they knew that one of them traveled to syria, but what we did not know is that he came ba back, and we are talking about by lal h buy lal had fand he had put a vn himself and blew himself up with his vest and along others having been constructed in this apartment. this is from the french magazine video from le point. and as you can see, ashleigh, days before the attack, the suspected eighth attacker salah abdeslam is where they stayed and plot and built the bombs. inside, scattered pizza boxes, and materials and other materials tested right now to see if there is any critical
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tatp ingredient. join joining me is nic robertson and paul cruikshank. the fact that this man is wanted around the world, and this 26-year-old who is believed to be the master mind of it all. and the car in belgium with plates from there and he is nowhere to be found. like likely that he could have gotten out without more accomplices to help him, because at one time we were told it is 24-large and not 8-large? >> it is possible that he is underground with the accomplices at the moment. and the significance is the vehicle, and what we can discern from the way that the french security authorities have been approaching the vehicle, and subsequently removed it. and so it has belgium plates on it, and did he get there and manage to rent another car, and that is so unlikely, because he was already an arrest warrant
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out for him. and so is this a car that he had before, and a car that he preplanned and prepositioned as an alternate getaway vehicle, and do the french police believe that he is back to paris to get in that vehicle to drive off somewhere, and again, we don't know, because it is supposition, but the fact that armed police went door to door after discovering the vehicle went armed door the-to-door gives you the indication that there are more to be learned there, and somebody else who can help him. >> and shelter, and hiding. >> because he is going to be having a hard time doing it himself. >> and this is just about 18 minutes north of where we are. and paul, you have learned something significant when you talk about the genesis of this all, a frenchman formerly with al qaeda and now with isis, and fab yen claire, and what do you know now? >> i was told by a french source briefed by investigations that
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in the video, you can hear the voice of fab yen claiien clain, former member of the predecessor terrorist organization of isis, al qaeda, and so he then moved up the isis hierarchy. >> well, wasn't he in jail? >> well, he had a four or five-year sentence, and he climbed back up the hierarchy and police have been working in raqqah with french and belgian operatives and possibly abdelhamid abaaoud who we were just talking about. >> and yes, when there is a
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short prison sentence, nic, there is only a certain amount of thing as that you can be held for. >> yes, and then heads straight for the border in syria. >> and wouldn't you think they were keeping an eye on him intently. >> we were talking to a french official who said it takes 24 people to watch one person 24 hours a y, and 111,0 1111 -- 11 people on the watch list, and so it is e beyond the re sousource and the capability to do it. but it is instructive, paul, and i don't know what you think about this, but it is instructive that this fabien was a able to climb the isis leader so quick ly. and these leaders, abdel hakeem that we were talking about yesterday, and moving up quickly. >> and one thing to add on fabian clain, because authori
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authorities are saying that he had an attack on the train where three american heroes thwarted that attack, and also played a role in the attack on the church, and also playing a role on the phrfrench magazine calli for and they have been saying, we are coming after you phrfren and the european and other counter the terror iism officia ha had word that this attack was coming. >> and just like the abdelhamid aub wood, there is no location yet of fabien clain. >> it appears that russia is going to be stepping up its look for isis, because they have 2.2-pound bomb that took down
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the plane in egypt. it is official. because of that, the government is offering a $50 million reward for information about those behind it. the people who brought that plane down killing all 224 people on board on october 31st. if you think that you have heard russian president vladimir putin talking tough before, listen to the ice in his voice as he vows to hunt down the terrorists responsible. >> translator: the murder our people in sinai is one of the bloodiest in terms of the number of victims in terms of such crimes. we won't easily wipe away the tears in our hearts and soul, and lit stay with us forever, but it will not prevent us from finding and punishing the perpetrators. we should not apply any time limits. we need to know all of the perpetrators by name, and we will search for them everywhere wherever they are hiding and we
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will find them on any spot on the planet, and we will punish them >> russian president vladimir putin, and our seep your correspondent matthew chance is in moscow now. matthew, not minutes until we heard that the air strikes that russia is sending into syria that the bombings that russia is sending into syria are being stepped up, and they are in raqqah which is not normally where russia has been bombing before. >> yes, they have been doubling their air strikes according to the russian defense ministry, carrying out 127 combat missions in the past 24 hours which is twice as many as we will see on the reg the regular day in russia's intervention in syria, and intensifying it. they are also bringing into the play different e weapon systems. today for the first time, they deployed strategic long-range
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heavy bombers into the syrian campaign, firing at least 34 cruise missiles of the various targets across syria, and that is all coming to us from the russian defense ministry. more than that, it seems that this attack in paris, the confirmation that this is a bomb that took the down the metro jet airliner as well is forcing the countries like france, like russia to reconsider their international relations as well. because both france and russia will work together more closely to combat isis inside of syria, and the french president francois hollande has decided to come to moscow to meet with vladimir putin to discuss more cooperation. and vladimir putin today has instructed his navy, the russian navy to work in allies with the french naval unit in the mediterranean to coordinate their attacks inside of syria. and so, you know, this is a
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massive departure when you consider that france is a member of nato, that france is one of the european union countries that has sanctions against russia, and it is now increasingly working with moscow over the shared desire to eliminate isis. >> and now, david cameron in england has put syria back on the table in front of parliament, so we will watch to see the developments there, and a lot of the sleeping giants aric wag up big time. matthew chance, thank you for that in moscow for us. and if the attacks of paris and the downing of planes in egypt weren't nufshgs isis is claiming responsibility for the thursday bombings in lebanon that left 40 people dead in south beirut, and 239 people were injured in those attacks. nine people have now been arrested. seven of them are seyrian, and two of them are lebanese. cnn cannot confirm the authenticity of isis' claim of responsibility. >> up next, the boston marathon
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people do not quite understand with h wh what we have been through. but my brother who has participated in the terrorist attack was probably psychologically ready to commit such an act. these are not regular people. you cannot have the slightest doubt that they have been prepared. that they must not leave any trace which would cause suspicion to do such things. and even if you saw them everyday their e behavior was quite normal. >> quite normal.
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and yet, that man, mohammad abdeslam says that his brothers started to go to the mosque more, and actually quit drinking, too, and those are the brothers. we are still looking for salah abdeslam, because e ibrahim is dead. so much to go here, and i want to bring in the experts, and there are so many examples of the the brothers, the master mind abdelhamid abaaoud had recruited his own brother, and also the karachi brothers who carried out at a tack and tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev who carried out the boston marathon bombing. and joining me now is retired general james spider marks, and
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also counter terrorism phil mudd. andgentlemen, i don't know what to say, but one of the brothers who owned a bar that was so drug ridden that it had to be closed down right before the attacks, and so is that brother outright lying? does that brother just not know anything about his brothers, and will that brother be tald for the rest of his life? >> no, the brother is not lying. it is what you have seen over the characteristics of what i have vud at the agency and then at the fbi. one is come part mentation. the cases here in the united states, you could have one of the first major case i remembered was a university study studying engineering at a major engb nearing university, and he was simultaneously communicating with a leader.
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and so, they know if they say something, they will be patted down the. and the same for the case of the kids in minneapolis. and also, when they go down the path, we think of terrorism as a violence, and one thing, it is emotional and social. young people come together to discuss that what is happening is appropriate. and we have to say that it is evil themes who are separate race, but no, it is somebody who goes down south and expresses the same views and then they react. >> and now, colonel, 64% of the terrorists actually telegraph their intentions to friends or to family. and with the statistic like that, you would think that you have, you know, a leg up on trying to thwart these attacks. it is not like the theater bomber or the theater shooter who wouldn't tell anybody, and he just showed up and shot.
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the majority of the people or two-thirds of them are telling people, and sharing information, and isn't that supposed to be helpful to us? >> well, you would think so. but this happens every time in every case whether it is a school shooting or the mass murder or a terrorist attack, it is always after the pact the that we find that, everything was quite normal. so it is social, and yet people talk to the each other, but everybody is afraid to the turn the other person in. is so it is after the fact that we find this out. >> and so, spider marks, the french president has for three months a state of emergency, and he wanted to expand the search powers an change -- and change up the constitution in fran-- i
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france to e lon galt the -- elongate the search. in this case we have had two brothers questioned and then released. so how does that help in that we had them under our thumb and couldn't do anything about it? >> well, ashleigh, from this point, we have to move forward and clearly, more incidents where there are individuals that will be captured, will be brought in or will be suspected of activities. there are going to be some questioning. unless there is a full access to what i would call the intelligence databases, and there is sufficient data within them, and the key words that are being used will allow you to now percolate up some of the to behaviors in advance so that we can determine what might happen going forward and this is all of the business that phil has describe and the intelligence work, and the not only forensics of going into what we know, but the psychological forensics as well to identify the behaviors. clearly what happens in most of
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the cases, and in my experience in terms of the issuance of the security clearances for a second is that most cases, the individual will pass the polygraph, will pass the either the counter intelligence or the lifestyle poll ly, and then thrh behaviors, they will declare himself or herself as an individual who needs further watch through the behaviors. so in many cases these individuals will pop up and through a training that would primarily get them into a coko e compartmented type of circumstance situation, ha i have to pop out. so that the behaviors will reveal what is coming up next, and it is up to the tight filter in order to catch that. >> all right. spider marks, thank you for t t that, and i appreciate i. and rick francona, thank you for that, and phil mudd, thank you for that. and before you go, phil, i want to throw one more question to
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you, because i am not satisfied with the fact that we have all of the clues with the familial connection to the paris attacker, and again, we had two of them. ibrahim and salah abdeslam were both question ed in january and one of them stopped leaving the attack and released. what good to have the intelligence on these guy, and what good to stop them and interrogate them if you can't get to the bottom of anything before they blow themselves up with a lot of people? >> well, ashleigh, this is two things that goes on with the cases. one is straight forward and that is triage. emergency room. who is highest on the list to get the technical surveillance. that is expensive and not only listening to the phone or the e-mail, but hiring translators, and the first that you have heard a thousand times is the try yaj problem, triage problem, and the second is that you are expecting two
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brothers among the belgians and the americans and the french to understand when two brothers transfer from radicalization in their minds to conducting an act. i don't know how somebody who used to do this as a living, you can consistently pick up is going to act on the thought process. it is a thought process and not if they are radical ized in the mosque. it is perfectly legal. radicalization is not against the law. >> but it is maddening to know that we had them so close, and yet they were so far. phil mudd, thank you for, that and for the full interview, i direct you to this incredible interview with erin burnett. one of the brothers blew himself up, and the second one is on the run, and erin speaking to the third brother tonight at 7:00 p.m. tonight. protein to get us moving. i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein.
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welcome back, i'm poppy harlow live in paris and there is a lot of discussion about whether or not the united states should accept refugees from syria following the news that one of the attackers here in paris slipped into the country posing as a ref refugee from syria. 28 governors from across the united states say they don't want syrian refugees in their state. richard branson, the founder of virgin group has been very vocal on this, and he posted an opinion piece on this an hour ago on his blog. he says that closing the gates is not just u.s. governors, but also as many european leaders now proposinging will engender precisely the types of divisions that terror groups like. isis seeks to exploit, and the more we segregate and pigeon hole and label, it is the more they will gain as the twisted
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worldview and strengthens recruitment into their ranks. he joins us now. >> thank you. >> and now, we have heard that paul ryan will be bringing a meeting with the president today to talk about the borders to today. >> it is what isis would like to see, because america has built itself on helping the people, and the jewish people when it was the horrors of the world war ii and now i believe that they should help the syrian people. almost all of them have had the ghastly time, and they desperately need places to live and it is through the refugees settlements that america has become great, and it mustn't
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stop because of one incident in paris. >> you are european, and you call the uk home. we have seen what has happened, the threat of isis even greater from many of the european nations than for the united states, and are you concerned at al all? >> look. everybody should be concerned. some positive things that have come out of last week, if you can say that anything positive is coming out, the fact that russia and the rest of the west seem to be now working together, and that is a positive. but it is, you know, the horrendous week, and it has been all of the more important in situations like this that we treat the refugee people with decen decency, and show that we are above this and don't pander to what isis would like us to pander to and that is to shut our borders. germany has been wonderfully brave and wonderfully brave in
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letting people in. i see america as a brave country, and i find it, you know, very, very sad for governors like bobby gjindal of louisiana who is a refugee himself trying to stop the refugees from coming in. and 99.99.9% of them all are absolutely fine, and maybe 100% are fine, and we don't punish hundreds of thousands of people for deesd of one person. >> right. it is interesting that you point out governor bobby jindal, and yes, the son of refugee, but you point to specifically in your piece to the city of detroit, and the mayor of detroit who now differs on this from, by the way, the governor of michigan rick snyder. and talk about the detroit specifically as a place that you see hope in. >> well, detroit, i met the
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mayor in detroit, and he would like the take in as many refugees as he can to help rebuild the city again. these syrian people, they are wonderful people, and hardworking people, and delightful people. they have been through hell and high water. you know, it would be fantastic for detroit to take them in, you know, germany's economy will benefit enormously from the million refugees they have taken in, and detroit will be e e benefiting enormously if the governor of detroit can be brave and let them in, and let them build the state. if somebody wants to, you know, get to america, they don't have to pretend to be a refugee. they can get on the airplane and pretend to be something else. you don't punish hun treads of thousands of people for the sake of maybe one or two people who are most likely going to be able to get to america anyway by canada or in other ways.
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>> sir richard bran sorngs i appreciate your time with us. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up next, even though more than half of the nation's governors are rejecting president obama's plan to welcome 10,000 syrian refugees to america, is there anything that the governors legally can do to keep them out of their state? we will discuss next. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress: that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. as long as they have someone to believe in them. citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. and the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. we backed the marshall plan that helped europe regain its strength. and pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime.
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welcome back to the special coverage of the deadly terror attacks, and house speaker paul ryan is joining the course of
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all of those governors who do not want syrian refugees flowing into the united states, and particular particularly their states. the president says that the united states may take in as many as 10,000 by the end of next year. this morning, speaker ryan urged the white house to put on the brakes. >> it is important that we have a refugee is system in place. and we respect that, but we think it is simply prudent that for this particular program in this particular situation that we be better guarded against any possible infiltration of isis coming through this program. that is why we think it is necessary to have a pause and to have a more comprehensive strategy dealing with guarantee ing that we do not allow isis members coming here. >> this is going to give you an idea of who is for and who is against the refugees coming into the united states. at least 28 governors are saying no, not in my state. only little more than to a
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handful are saying it is okay. and there are some not weighing in. with me now, cnn senior analyst jeffrey toobin and with us in our washington bureau cnn correspondent aryan debow. it seems that the 1993 refugee act hands that power over to the president, and the president alone. >> well, you know, the refugee group, and the immigrant rights group were stunned not only by the tone of the press releases of the governor, but how quick they they were issued and they came like a tidal wave, and the groups believe that the federal government can decide who comes in the borders. the states can make it unwelcoming and withhold funding and most effectively, they can affect the coordination of the resettlement agencies, but what
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the governors did not stress was the vetting process. it starts overseas and work with the state department and the department of homeland security, and they do extensive vetting on the dna and facial recognition and fingerprints, and all of those issues, and because of the se syrians, they also sometimes deal with the intelligence agency. it is pretty thorough, and only after that do in nine contracted resettlement agencies deal with the refugees, and they are in the states now, and they talked to the state resettlement groups that are ak a cross the country, and that is where the states could step in and affect that coordination, and that relationship, but these refugees are coming in as legal residents. >> so let me bring in jeffrey toobin into the conversationer for us, and how the law works its way into the discussion, because while the law is very clear to effectuate the law requires some negotiation with
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the states. >> and cooperation from the states. the way that the process works is that the president does set a number, and then the process that ariane describes goes forward and there are already # 1,500 syrian refugees into the country for very long waits as long as two years possibly. and the settlement process is done with the nongovernmental agencies often church affiliated who have to coordinate with the states. >> and the states can say, wait, not so fast, because we have coffers that are contributing to this. >> they have in normal circumstances not contentious relationships, but if the governors want to say, we are not taking any of the refugees, they can make life difficult and slow the process down. our colleague brianna keilar
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interviewed the governor of north carolina today who said that the white house is doing a conference call with the governors to calm them down a little bit. >> i am understanding the argument on both sides, but if i i'm a governor and that governor wants to get tough on that, i understand they can freeze some state-level ref you e gee payment, and withhold some of the federal money that comes in that they need to distribute, but can they do other things like to the withhold a driver's license or prevent your child from going to school? i mean, could they make it so distasteful to be in a state that the refugee will not want to be there and migrate elsewhere? >> yes. especially in a situation where there are a handful of states who are saying they will take them. and remember in the united states, we don't have borders between the states, and people can get up and leave once they are inside of the united states. now, they can't necessarily take the benefits if they have any
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with them, but this is one of the both benefits and the worries about the process which is that once the peel are in the united states, they are here. and we don't track people, and we don't have monitored borders, and that is one of the things that we love about the country, but it is also a security risk. >> and no 100%-risk-free solution. we al know what it is like when the refugees are left to fester for years and years in camps and hostile countries can also be dangerous to the global process as well. ariane, so nice to have you on the program, and jeffrey toobin, appreciate it. and coming up next, he survived the concert massacre by hiding in a bathroom, and you won't believe what he saw or heard before the police stormed in. the incredible interview is just ahead. this is brad. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief
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f fraternity, lib erty for all. and now, we spoke to man who survived the bataclan shooting at the concert. >> you could har all of the shots, and the people fall iing with blood and so 17 years old or 20 years old, and arabic ones, white ones. >> reporter: he can't believe he is alive sitting next to me recounting the most terrifying
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hours of hi life. >> i feel like i am happy to be alive. >> you feel giuilty for being alive? >> yes. and i could hear them. >> reporter: they did not have masks on? >> no, no. >> reporter: like so many others in the bataclan that night, he thinks nothing of the first shot. >> at the beginning, i thought it was a joke. >> really? >> part of the show. >> reporter: and when did you realize? >> when you saw the guys falling on the floor and blood everywhere and everybody is crying. >> reporter: did being in the bathroom save your life? you were in the bathroom with three people.
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behind you. >> behind the door. >> and minutes later he could see the footsteps of the terrorists. you could hear them talking about the bomb and plans. >> yes. >> reporter: how long were you in the batroom? >> 2 1/2 hours. >> reporter: when did you come out. >> translator: chen the police launched the raid they started to shoot at everybody, and the terrorists responded by shooting back, and e blowing themselves up. the lights went down and smoke everywhere. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: and then we understood it is the police. so we opened up the door, and they put the gun to my forehead, and we were like this. >> reporter: final ly after the police came in, you were walking over corpses. >> translator: the concert hall
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was covered in bodies and blood all over the wall, and it is the apocalypse. apop lips. >> reporter: two of his friends die in the attack. walking out alive he has one thought. >> we have to love everybody. love the differences, and smile. that is our fight against the t terrorists. >> reporter: we have to smile. that is our fight against terrorists. pretty amazing words from someone who almost died on friday night. thank you so mitch fuch for beih us. wolf starts right after this. enough pressure in here for ya? ugh. my sinuses are killing me. yeah...just wait 'til we hit ten thousand feet. i'm gonna take mucinex sinus-max. too late, we're about to take off. these dissolve fast. they're new liquid gels. and you're coming with me... wait, what?! you realize i have gold status?
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hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it is 1:00 p.m. here in washington, and 7:00 p.m. in raqqah and around the world, we thank you for joining us. we look at a global manhunt in a widening terror investigation in response to the carnage unleashed by isis in the last 2 1/2 weeks. at least 422 people killed and 629 people wounded and four major isis attacks. the massacre in paris, and suicide bombings in beirut and baghdad and the downing of that the russian air passenger plane. we are following new details. one tof the voices on the video claiming responsibility for the attacks is a known isis member fabian clain, and that is according to russian sources. and now, russia is carrying out more bombings after

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