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please be sure to join us here in "the situation room" tomorrow. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the "situation room." cnn coverage of the paris attacks continues right now with erin burnett "out front." >> good evening and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world tonight. i am erin burnett reporting from paris tonight. we begin with breaking news. a soccer stadium in germany evacuated tonight after officials uncover what they are calling, quote, serious plans for explosions. german media reporting that, i want to quote them, "critical and solid intelligence came from the french" alerting german authorities who what they say was an iraqi sleep were concrete plans to attack during the game today. angela merkel and other top officials had been expected at that game. francois hollande was at that game in france that was struck on friday.
here in france tonight, officials announcing a possible second suspect linked to the paris attacks is at large. this as a massive manhunt for salah abdeslam intensifies. there is an unprecedented display of force. i went to belgium today. i spoke to his brother mohammed abdeslam. i asked him if he could speak to his brother right now, his brother on the run, what would he say? >> translator: i would tell him to surrender. that it's best solution. to contact authorities, but he must not be afraid to surrender to explain.
>> new images of french air strike. the story continues to move by the hour. we again with max foster on the foiled plot to attack a soccer stadium in hanover, germany. this was specific intelligence of a striked plan at this game today. >> reporter: serious enough to have a stadium cleared 1 1/2 hours before the match started. this is something no one wanted to see. they wanted to show defiance in the face of this threat you are seeing in paris. the local police chief put it like this to the public broadcaster there at germany. he said the authorities had concrete intelligence that someone wanted to set off an explosive device inside that stadium. so where did this intelligence come from? well two well-regarded publications in germany both say
it came from french intelligence, but ultimately, there was no device found there. the threat wasn't there, but they did feel there was a credible threat. what french intelligence told those publications was it was in relation to an iraqi sleeper cell. >> max foster, thank you very much. i want to bring in our national security correspondent on this jim shutto. you've been learning new details about the possibility of this massive manhunt and there could be another suspect at large. >> this helps us to understand why there is such a level of alert right now and nervousness among french sert. we know salah abdeslam. what we learned today, there is another unnamed suspect out there they want to find. there was video shot by a witness to the shooting outside
la belle equipe, where 12 people were killed. one of the people in that car later died in the attacks. they believe one of them might be this alleged eighth bomber. there is a third person in there that they are trying to identify. that could be the secret behind this other suspect they are looking for. >> keep in mind, isis at the beginning claimed credit mentioned eight and there were only seven that. would fit with the numbers they had. you've been reporting on a crucial breakthrough here which is they found passports. they didn't leave their cell phones behind or one of them didn't. they found a cell phone. >> this has been an issue from the beginning. u.s. counterterrorist officials have been warning we are losing track of these guys because they are going dark. they are uses encrypted communications. even the great power of the nsa cannot intercept their communications to stop these attacks.
they found several cell phones, reporting of my colleague evan perez tonight. they found evidence of encryption applications, apps on the phones used for encrypted communications. you or i could download those on our phone tonight. as simple as they are, they are largely invisible, almost completely invisible to security services. there is evidence of that. one more detail, there was a text message on one of those phones that said something to the effect, we are ready to go. it seemed to be perhaps the go order for these attacks on friday night. >> jim, sciutto, thank you very much. frightening that it is simply so easy to avoid it if you want to. we are learning more about the first suspect on the run. that is salah abdeslam. he has been on the run. he was on the belgian border. he has been on the run ever since and could be central to
this attack. i went to his hometown today in brussels in belgium and talked to his brother about before abdeslam could be, and whether he was behind these attacks. mohammed, what would you say if salah was watching this interview? what do you say about what you want him to do and about what he's done? >> i would tell him to surrender if he has something to do with it. he must face his responsibility. >> do you have any idea where salah would have gone, where he would have wanted to go? did he ever say anything that makes you think this is a place they should be looking for him? >> translator: no. we obviously have no idea of what he's actually doing, but we are very worried. >> when is the last time you spoke to him, to salah? >> translator: the last time i saw my brother salah was the
same last time i saw my other brother about a week ago. they left without saying good-bye. >> you are going to hear more from him. he had to say fascinating things, including talking about all the people in his neighborhood he knows are in syria right now, perhaps training for isis. u.s. military intelligence veteran retired colonel is with me. paul, we have this massive manhunt going on right now for salah abdeslam. his brother says his family is very worried he could go out in a blaze of glory sort of a thing. they are terrified he could do something else and harm more civilians. what is the concern and risk here? do you think this is for sure they are going to find him? >> i think there is a huge risk he will try to go out in a blaze of glory. we've seen these people who get recruited into these plots
craving martyrdom, craving paradise. for some reason he wasn't able or didn't detonate his suicide vest that night. that hasn't been located. he could still have it. he was driving back into belgium. apparently got into belgium. the biggest concern is in belgium that he is somewhere there. clearly the belgians suspect he could be back in molenbeek, this district of brussels that was raided yesterday. they didn't find him. they are worried and nervous he could go out in a blaze of glory. we've seen with so many of these plots that 48 hours, 72 hours later, with the boston bombers, they wanted to drive to times square and blow themselves up there. >> colonel, do you think we are now hearing there could be more people, and the network is bigger than this, all the supplies they got. do you think he's alone?
do you think someone could be helping him? this is a crucial question because you could have more innocent lives at risk. >> absolutely. he probably does have help. it is certainly possible he could be doing a lone wolf act but i think it's highly unlikely. i think what he is doing right now is he is actually using a supply system and in essence an underground railroad type s system that will allow him to go from one area to another, one safe house to another. that's what the police need to look for in this case. >> where do you think he could be? we know he was driving back to belgium. that says a lot. that says whether he was too afraid to blow up his vest or had another plan, it didn't work. his first instinct wasn't to run away, but to go home. >> first instinct to go home. the people that he knows. that's his comfort zone. molenbeek which is a district which unfortunately there is a huge problem of radicalization
as you found out today. he may have people sympathetic to him who may be hiding him in molenbeek. that's probably the most likely scenario here. if he starts getting in a car, starts trying to cross borders, he becomes vulnerable. >> when i went to gel bum i went through the train stations across the border. you have these four attacks, a lot of civil liberties suspended to look for people. you had an attack on a train. yet i didn't have any bags checked, no passport checked either way. absolutely nothing at all, colonel. >> in my case i came from london. no out of the ordinary passport checks. everything was if it had been done a few months ago. there is no visible rammed-up security that would make a difference. >> isn't that concerning? there was racial profiling, i will say. there was someone who looked arab and that person got pulled aside and searched. >> europe doesn't have borders any more.
20 years we had this system. the borders went away. there are hundreds and thousands of roads across the border. there are no border fences. there are no borders in i more in europe. those days are gone. they are never coming back. >> shocking. when francois hollande said he was closing the borders, something he couldn't even do. our exclusive conversation. he is the brother of two suspects in the attacks. they are close and all live together. >> but my brother who has participated in this terrorist attack was probably psychologically ready to commit such an act. these are not regular people. >> you are going to hear much more. as isis threatens to attack washington, we have new details tonight about how close officials were to tracking down isis key figures. in our special report on the
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i spoke with their brother mohammed. he was very close with his brothers. he lived with them in a small home. he was questioned reply police 36 hours. he met me in brussels today. we talked about an hour. his lawyer was with him. >> my people find it hard to understand. they say you and your brothers are so close in age, you lived together. you're close. they say how could you not have known something? >> translator: i think that people do not quite understand what we've been through, but my brother who participated in this terrorist act must have been probably psychologically ready to commit such an act. these are not regular people. you cannot have the slightest doubt they are ready. they must not leave any trace which would arise suspicion that
they are about to commit such acts. and even if you saw them every day, their behavior was quite normal. >> your brother who participated in the attacks who is dead, ibrahim, i understand some around him were aware, knew he had become radicalized. he had stopped drinking. he changed his behaviors. were you aware of that? had he changed? >> reporter: yes, of course, but the word radicalization may not be the right one. my mother has seen changes. i have seen changes. when you have a son who quits drinking, it does not necessarily mean he will commit a terrorist attack. >> as a brother, when you look at all those people who are dead
and your brother who you've known for a long time, what do you think about your brother then? do you still think, i love my brother? >> translator: these are my brothers. i love them. that's for sure. after all they've done, do i admire what they've done? no. my family and i do not. the victims are innocent. we are deeply shocked. >> mohammed, were you aware of your brothers traveling at all? did they leave the house for any extended period of time? were you aware of them going to someplace like turkey or even to syria? >> translator: my brothers went on vacation, yes. like many people do. and i went, too. some brothers would go on vacation and travel to a country and there was no reason to be suspicious, but after when you
hear what happened, something goes on in your mind. you start asking questions. >> when you say the pieces came together, can you tell me something that came together when you heard this? what did you look and say, oh, now that makes sense that he went here or he did this? >> translator: well, when i think back and remember this trip to turkey, i think, well, this may be why he went there. maybe he made contacts in turkey. >> what happened, do you think, that made your brothers change? that made them become radical. you live in the same house. did they ever approach you? did they ask you to come to them in mosque, pray in a different way, do something different? how do you think this happened? >> translator: no. many people know me. many people know how i am. they know who i am. it's difficult to get close to
me. nobody can radicalize me. i have my own ideas. now, to know how they could be radicalized, i think that the internet has a lot to do with it. >> do you have any relatives in syria that you know of? anybody, any friends, any connections in syria? >> translator: i have people who have studied in the town, young people of my neighborhood came with us who indeed went to syria. i know it from their parents. it's simple to know that some people have indeed been able to go there. >> as a lawyer, do you, did you find it hard to believe this case when you have such a close family and three brothers living in the same house, just three brothers living in the same house with the parents? did you find it hard to believe mohammed when he says he did not know anything was happening?
>> no. not at all because first, i'm really convinced that he's innocent in that case. i mean it's something when you are a lawyer already a long time, 23 years, i'm not going to say that you become psychiatrist or psychologist, but you learn lots of things. i really feel the sincerity. >> our terrorism analyst is back with me. we are going to show more of this. i spent about 50 minutes with him. rah lot of people say they live in a small house. it's just a little row house in belgium with his brothers. he knew they were becoming more and more strict, more and more conservative. i have to say, even though he was questioned 36 hours, police
thought he could have been involved, i believed him when he said he wasn't. he seemed genuine to me. >> a tale of two very different brothers or three brothers. one clearly becoming well integrated into belgium, working in the community, working for the common good. the other two going down a completely different direction. >> in the same house. >> in the same house. at least with salah -- the younger brother, he got involved in gangsterism and was, in fact, in prison for a while it appears. then became radicalized and obviously took a very different path. >> when i was in molenbeek today, i took pictures. when people hear it's a hotbed of terror, they think it's something very different than it is. there are cobblestone streets. if you're an american, it's a very quaint, idyllic-looking place. it's not a big place.
you think about mohammed saying he knows all these other young men in syria, you would think they could find these people and know who they are. when you realize the small scale of that area, it is shocking they could not see this coming. >> yeah. and they've known about this, the problems in this area for quite some time. we saw with al qaeda that they recruited from this neighborhood. many people going to al qaeda before 9/11 living in molenbeek. we've seen so many young men from these neighborhoods. on the trajectory is they get involved in street gangs, petty crime, drugs. in fact sometimes they're drinking, promiscuous, all that kind of stuff. then the radical preachers and recruiters tell them you can redeem yourselves by joining isis. it's a way to explain away all this past behavior. the message is they were
corrupted by the infidel west. what we are seeing is these youngsters moving to syria -- one official told me, super gangs. all the friends from around the block going together. they know each other when they come back and they are tasked by isis in these cases to launch attacks. they know how to work together. they know how to get weapons and keep things secret. that created a serious threat. >> very serious threat. very terrifying. i think the thing emphasized being there today was how small and intimate that neighborhood seemed. how vulnerable is the united states to a terrorist attack? missed signs by terrorism officials. >> the attackers using a cheap explosive to make bombs. it's called the "mother of satan." a special report of what this is. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.
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played. authorities confirming there was concrete intelligence someone planned to set off a bomb. an international manhunt under way for the most wanted man in europe. it is safe to say in all the world. police doing everything they can to track down salah abdeslam, the suspected driver of the paris suicide bombers. he could have that eighth missing suicide vest. the search is on stretching into germany, as well. a second suspect is believed to be on the run. there are growing concerns how vulnerable the united states may be to attack of this sort. key warning signs slipped past top intelligence officials. french officials were aware of some of these individuals. american officials were aware of none. >> reporter: with isis threatening to strike italy and the united states -- >> we will strike america and its strong hold washington. >> reporter: french authorities are scrambling to receive data
from several cell phones believed to belong to some attackers. one of the messages before the attacks said effectively, okay, we're ready. the cia director is warning more plots are likely in the pipeline. >> what are they retrieving from the seven avassailants, what ty of smart phone, what type of apps on that phone? >> reporter: fbi special agents and three nypd detectives have been dispatched to the paris command center to learn as much as they can about the suicide bombs and how they were built and detonated. >> we are trying to get as much information to tie us back to the city. >> reporter: in may, a u.s. homeland security assessment warned isis could carry out attacks in the west.
they identified abdelhamid abaaoud. they foiled that plot in iran, but abaaoud escaped. he is suspected as ring leader of the paris attacks. a french source says he was targeted prior to last week's attacks, but authorities could not locate him. tonight there is an international manhunt for suspect salah abdeslam who slipped by authorities twice in france and austria after being pulled over for a routine traffic stop. both times he was released without investigation. a member of the senate intelligence committee tells cnn wofld blitzer four of the attackers were known to u.s. intelligence authorities. it does not appear they were known to european authorities. that raised significant questions as to just how much information is being shared by different countries? information that could be crucial to stopping this kind of
attack in the future. >> deb, thank you very much. i want to go straight to the republican congressman from montana, member of the house armed services committee. he is a former seal team sixth commander. congressman, i appreciate you taking the time to be with me. you were briefed by the fbi director, by the secretary of homeland security. a lot of that information i know may be classified. are you able to give us any sense of what you learned? >> the sense is their vetting process needs work. there is no data base about syrian refugees. when they look at the process, there's holes in it and we need to correct that. the prudent step is stop, evaluate, make sure we had the right oversight over the vetting process. the refugees are only one part of it. we also have a porous border. we have u.s. citizens that are
overseas fighting with isis. those passports need to be revoked. what was said earlier is correct. there's about 5,000 european union citizens that have been to syria. they've been fighting. we need to make sure we know who those are and restrict their access to north america. >> congressman, do they feel they have a sense on who is coming into the united states? obviously, i was with syrian refugees yesterday and they were talking about how easy it is to fake a syrian passport. that's not going to get you in the united states. they talked about how you can actually could buy a british passport and you don't pay until you get into the uk. it's proof of delivery. one of his friends was able to do that. once you get there you can get closer and closer. >> absolutely. our southern border remains a threat. we had 250,000 illegal
immigrants coming across. in syria, we don't have the data base. europe doesn't have the data base. aassad, you can't trust that data base. we just don't no. secure the southern border, revoke passports and these are in the power of the administration to do it we need to act. >> cia director john brennan said the paris attacks were not a one-off. isis likely has more attacks in the pipeline. john kerry called the attacks an aberration and said they are not the new normal. it's concerning to the american people -- and there is a lot of uncertainty, everyone understands that. when the u.s. government is sending such mixed messages. you have one arm saying the opposite as the other arm. >> this is not new. you have the department of defense saying we have isis contained. clearly isis isn't contained.
there is a credibility issue with our government. congress needs to step up the plate, make sure we have the right oversight. this is not a partisan issue. this is not a republican or democrat issue. this is an american issue. america is at risk. >> congressman zinke, thank you very much. "out front" next, new details of the explosives. terrorists were able to get these explosives and build bombs. how did they do that is next. an incredibly touching exchange you will see between a father and son about what happened in paris. innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b. get healthier gums in 2 weeks guaranteed. innovation and you. philips sonicare
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explosive known at "the mother of satan." that's how unstable it is. it may have been seemingly simple to assemble, but not really. it's a mix of common household items and very expensive to make. jason carroll is "out front." >> reporter: the sound of the first explosion echoed throughout france's national soccer stadium. across paris, other attackers detonate their suicide vests after killing scores at this concert hall. and at this cafe where he detonates his suicide vest. family saying it was unaware what the brothers were planning. >> translator: my brother who participated in this terrorist act must have been probably psychologically ready to commit such an act. >> reporter: more questions about the suspects and type of
explosive used in their vest. >> we want to understand those vests as our officer rush in. we want to give them intelligence of what they might be up against. >> reporter: they were loaded with tatp. it's a homemade explosive with a sinister nickname. "mother of satan," a name coined by terrorists because it's sensitive to heat, volatile and can potentially cause extreme damage. experts say it's also cheap with ingredients that are easy to come by. >> 90% of the stuff we have here, you don't need a license to buy. i can go in a truck about a half hour away and come home with 90% of this. >> reporter: paris is not the first time tapt has been traced to terrorist attacks. richard reid is arrested with a device hidden in his shoe, tatp.
investigators discover the homemade bombs contained tatp. september 2009, arrested for plotting to bomb a new york city subway. zazi gets the ingredients at a colorado beauty supply store, a lowe's and walmart. >> you are going to get these people trying to monitor what they purchase. >> reporter: seth jones specializes at counterterrorism. since ingredients are so readily available, buying the items may not raise suspicions. that's why intel is key. >> zazi who was identified in 2009 was involved in boiling tatp in his hotel room in aurora was not identified for the ingredien ingredients he was purchasing.
>> more about what experts say about intel and why it's so important, it's absolutely crucial for investigators to have sources within these communities in question to spot suspicious activities. it could be in a paris suburb. it could be south london. it could be somewhere in belgg m belgium. it could be in the bronx. it depends whether investigators are getting in these communities and stopping these plans boy having good sources. >> jason carroll, thank you very much. "out front" our intelligence and security analyst bob baier and colonel lleyton back with me in paris. bob, you talked about tatp and how concerning this is. in one sense it seems incredibly easy to do this. on the other, it seems like these bombers may have had training. looked like there were syringes
left in one hotel room. is there evidence they were extremely prepared or how easy this was? >> it is very easy to make these bombs, very easy to acquire this stuff, boil the peroxide, acetone, make the detonators. this is all on the net. none of this is secret. with any of these explosives, test this stuff in an open area and test it until they get it right they were testing this in syria and iraq to make all these vests go off. that's what terrifies the french. six of them did go off. that's worth looking at is people trained, experienced just as they were in all the shooting incidents where they had the trigger control. this is what toll d me these
people had combat experience or training. >> colonel lleyton, the other thing shows the crucial nature of all these young men who are down in syria right now. we heard one of the brothers of two of these attackers tell me he knows people right now in syria. the big issue, of course, it's easy to get this material. you just heard seth say, you go to walmart and you could buy it. nobody is going to think twice. >> exactly. it's as common as peroxide. these are the most common household chemicals you can get. these are the kinds of things that because they are so ubiquitous and common, you have to control them at the source, but you can't do that because it is a common way of actually taking care of our health, all the things we need to have. the way forward would be for the
chemical industry to make these chemicals in such a way they cannot become explosive. that is a long way off. before you can get there, tatp will still be with us. that is a dangerous thing. >> why won't they do that then? because there are commercial uses? >> they could do it, but they have to be old to do it. it's a regulatory issue. they haven't been told to do that. the governments have not said the chemical industry must do that. >> amazing would you need regulation to do that. thank you very much. next, 31 u.s. governors now say they will not take syrian refugees, setting fears that a terrorist could easily fake a passport and slip into the country. we have a special report. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership
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not likely. i spoke to a syrian refugee who told me just how easy it is to get a foreign passport. >> it will cost you about $700. >> 700 euros and i could have one of these? >> your name, be a american name, even an arabic name or any name. >> anything i want? >> your photo, your name, anything you want. >> where am i going? kyung lah is out front. >> reporter: these are not just refugees fleeing isis. this woman sees herself. >> this is a little me. this is a girl that went through the same thing that i went through. >> reporter: sayyid's hometown of aleppo, syria is ravaged by war. she and her family escaped syria, now refugees in the u.s. but leaders from house speaker paul ryan -- >> there is a moment where it is better to be safe than to be
sorry. >> reporter: to presidential candidates -- >> refugees are pouring into our great country from syria. we don't even know who they are. they could be isis. they could be anybody. what's our president doing? is he insane? >> reporter: to a growing chorus of governors. >> we are just not going to allow that to happen. we are not going to allow them into the state of alabama. >> reporter: more than half of america's governors say syrian refugees are not welcome. the state department plans to eventually place 10,000 syrian refugees in the u.s. all this coming in the wake of the paris attacks, one of the terrorists pose as a syrian named ahmed alamo hammed me, sent entering with the wave of refugees in october. he lived in catches until he made his way to paris, strapping on a bomb and blowing himself up in france. long forgot say refugee advocates, the human suffering and the little boy who drowned, his body washed up on a turkish
beach. >> as governors, forgotten for a second. and for them to say they are going to close their state and blame an entire community for something a terrorist did is shameful. >> reporter: counterterrorism experts have warned isis will use a refugee wave to infiltrate we were societies. is this an overreaction by governors? >> it is painful to me as an american to see that we would shut the door on refugees, but it is my fbi mind says you're going to get a certain percentage of 10,000 refugees are going to be terrorists. >> reporter: the refugees say the acts of one terrorist -- growing sense their new home is not so welcome. are people scared in. >> people are really scared.
they don't know what to do next. >> you think it's gonna get worse? >> i think it's gonna get a lot worse. unfortunately. i hate to say that. >> now, the governors say they would like any decisionmaking at the federal level. we are seeing some movement on the national level. the u.s. house of representatives planning to vote thursday on a bill that would suspend this program, allowing syrian refugees into the united states. erin? >> thank you so much. "out front" next, a very tender moment here on the streets of paris, a father trying to help his young son cope with his fears. our truck? it's touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. farmer: let's go boy. again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. excuse me miss, have you seen our truck? you just missed it. ahhh!
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>> that video has been viewed on facebook more than 17 million times. those words of peace and solidarity, a comfort to that young boy all those people on facebook and perhaps hopefully to all of us tonight. thank you so much for joining us. our coverage of the attacks continues now with chris cuomo on "ac 360." good evening from paris, i'm chris cuomo. anderson is on assignment. and there are big developments in the paris investigation to tell you about the manhunt has been expanded to a second fugitive. multiple cell phones recovered that the killers may have used, including one that authorities say contains a key message. we are going to begin though with a new scare involving, just as it did here, a soccer stadium filled with fans and vips. the location, dzhokar tsarnaevover, germany, officials poised for an imminent attack there. max foster joining us outside