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that just tastes better. with more vitamins. and less saturated fat. only eggland's best. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. hi there. i'm brooke baldwin here in washington today. this is cnn a special coverage of new and deadly raids in the aftermath of the attacks in paris. >> i'm jake tapper here in paris, france, the city that may have just avoided more bloodshed. french police carrying out an hour-long military-style assault on two suburban apartments seen in cameras capturing the sounds as police stormed in just a couple of blocks away. >> an explosion has just gone off. this is still very much an
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ongoing operation. that was quite a large explosion in that direction. a second one now. just hold on. no gunfire that we can tell so far. a third explosion. fourth. that was much larger. police asking them to move back. there are a number of military soldiers that are now being moved into the front as well. >> we're told that wiretaps led french police to this alleged paris cell that, we're told, had an imminent plan of attack intercepting, quote, just in time authorities say. we still do not know abdelhamid abaaoud, the suspected ring leader of the horrific terrorist attacks friday night, was in fact inside one of those
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apartments. the prosecutor saying he is not in custody. but if he was killed, well, that we still don't know. state television in belgium says a woman who blew herself up as the french commandos moved in was his cousin. thousands of miles away, french war planes today launching new attacks on isis command centers in syria as an isis magazine claims it was indeed their terrorists who brought down that russian jet just a few weeks ago in late october, publishing a photograph of what they say was the bomb, the ied in this case, according to isis, a soda can and some kind of simple detonation device. that is, if you believe these claims from isis. let's bring in nic robertson, cc international correspondent. nic, carly ward actually climbed on a rooftop close to where you are where she could see the raided apartment. let me play a bit of that for us
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now. >> we've managed to get on a rooftop from which we can see the building behind me. i'm just going to duck out so we can push in and take a look at the apartment building that was the focus of these raids. we can see forensic experts have been moving around inside those rooms. they've been taking photographs, and you can see the aftermath of those blasts that were heard all the windows have been blown out. you can see the pock marks of heavy weaponry around those wind windows. >> nic, the prosecutor just said that neither abdelhamid abaaoud, the ringleader, or the terrorist fugitive salah abdelsalam were taken into custody. but we're still not sure if they were killed in the raid. is that right? >> reporter: well, we know from the prosecutor now that two people were killed, and we understand that one of them was a woman. so it does leave it open that
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the other person was a man and it leaves it open that it could be abaaoud. what the prosecutor said was that the state of the building, the physical state of the building, makes it very difficult, dangerous to work inside. and at the moment they're still determining the identities of the bodies inside. it's too soon to say, he said. in the last few minutes we heard a controlled explosion the police continue even after nightfall continue to go through that building. so it does certainly seem to stand up that the prosecutor said that they don't have freedom of movement there yet. so the process of identifying those two bodies could perhaps take some more time. and until that happens, i don't think we're going to be quite clear on who was killed and whether or not abaaoud is still on the loose, jake. >> nic robertson in saint-denis, where the raid took place this morning. two of the suspects captured in
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these dramatic overnight raids earlier today we're told are being treated at a hospital just outside of paris. poppy harlow is joining me now on set. poppy, you were at the hospital earlier. what can you tell us? >> reporter: i can tell you the moment that we pulled up in our taxi we were greeted within seconds by a police officer with an assault rifle. he would not let the taxi stop. pushed us across the street. they wouldn't give us any details. what we do know according to our affiliate on the ground here, two message arrested in the raid were taken to this hospital, both had wounds to their arms, both went into surgery. one a few hours later, 1:00 p.m. local time, was taken away with armored vehicles, with police. you can imagine the escorts presumably to be interrogated. the other we're told still in surgery at the time, not clear how bad the extent of their wounds is. the critical part here, as you know, keep them alive, get them to talk. what will they say? will they talk? will they talk about how big this web is, the ring is?
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will they talk about where the next target might be? that's the big question, who those two men are we do not know. as you were saying at the top, not in custody, the one who's on the run and the ringleader. were they injured? we don't know at this point in time. >> it really is amazing when you think about it there were ten individuals in these apartments. only two dead. >> reporter: yes. and they blew up the floor. the floor collapsed. >> i was there earlier. there's so much damage done to the apartments as you can tell from karissa's stand-up earlier. the fact that 80% of them lived through this and only one of them who died did it to herself. >> reporter: killed herself. also what i think is fascinating, jake, is the family connections here. not only the three brothers with the one still on the run but now we know that this woman as the cuz an of the ringleader, who remember not even 30 years old. thies are yioung people. the ringleader 14 months ago was
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apparently not very high up in isis' ladder, if you will. and now being called the ringleader at least of this attack connected to the train attack a few months ago and the fact that now we know the one woman was his cousin, also that she apparently blew herself up. this attack friday, the first time they've had suicide vests involved in a terrorist attack in france. a lot of firsts. >> a lot of people here have been talking to the people here, french people, who are now worried. they're talking about the kinds of suicide bombing attacks that you see in the middle east. >> reporter: absolutely. >> on a regular basis in iraq, syria, and occasionally recently in lebanon. now happening in paris, france. very chilling. >> reporter: this is paris. this is one of the epicenters of europe. we talk a lot about new york, the uk, paris. this is so foreign to them. they keep telling me, so many people, we don't want to be scared, but we are because this has happened twice in ten months. >> poppy, it thanks so much. i want to talk more about the raids and the men and perhaps
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women that may still be at large. joining me is cnn's producer tim lifter. tim, what more do we know about this ringleader? why do authorities think he was the man in charge? >> because he's had, jake, a long role in attempting to carry out attacks in europe. at least four this year alone, including directing a cell in belgium that was broken up in january. i think what's clear to investigators is that cell in belgium wasn't entirely -- there was a few left over and the remnants of this cell may well be behind this bloc because of the very strong belgium connection here and of course abdelhamid abaaoud himself is belgium. he spent time in jail with one of the leaders of last week's attack, the man still on the run. so i think there's considerable concern that if abaaoud is not
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being killed today and we still don't know that, that he may have other groups, other units in france and in belgium who are ready to take action, jake. >> and tim, the authorities said in a press conference just minutes ago that they believe there were three coordinated teams of terrorists who committed the attacks in paris on friday. now, we were also told that intercepted telephone communications led to this morning's raid in saint-denis. what more do we know about the ties of the two terror cells may have had to one another? >> not a lot at the moment. i think that's what french investigators are going to be concentrating on with the eight people that have been arrested, particularly an interesting remark from the paris prosecutor in that news conference just an hour ago was that the man who owned this apartment, who rented it out to the group that came to stay about a week ago, knew the leader of the group. so you have the possibility here
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of a support network that knew whether abaaoud or someone else, they were tied into this larger group. so although there's not much yet proven in the way of links between friday's tackers and the group that was there today, i'm sure investigators will think that that is highly likely. and of course abaaoud, his female cousin amongst those killed today, that for him is going to probably motivate him to continue and to accelerate these attacks across france, belgium, unless he is inside that apartment that has been so wrecked by this morning's gun fight that went on for more than an hour. investigators say inside it's an unbelievable mess. it's difficult to even suspect there's a body there. there's just body parts. i it's going to be difficult to establish whether abaaoud is that man lying in that apartment or whether he's still on the run
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and able to coordinate further attacks, jake. >> yeah, i saw earlier at the site of the apartment. you could see through the window, the shot we're showing to our viewers right now, police forensic teams clad head to toe trying to make sense of the wreckage before them. tim, is there any further clarity on the question of how much of these horrific paris attacks from five days ago were actually planned and directed from isis leaders in syria? >> i think that's a huge question. what we got the sense of in investigating this and previous attacks is that isis likes to almost subcontract some of its work, especially in the field of foreign attacks. we know that french and belgium fighters very much hang out together in syria. they work together on the battle front. they plant together. so there is this possibility that a french network that also
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involved another man more important than abaaoud who oes been a long time in the jihadist team. he is the voice behind the isis videos. if he is still active, there's the likelihood that further attacks can be launched on europe. but all the times, isis has opened a new front, that it has decided to take the war to europe. we know that six of the friday attackers had been to syria. we know -- was very quick on saturday morning to acknowledge and claim the responsibility for that attack. so it looks like more than ever before isis is directing at least in principle if not the details of the operation these raids, these attacks, in europe. >> tim lister, thank you so much. brooke, back to you in washington. >> jake tapper, thank you. we'll get back to you in paris in just a moment. also what we're covering today, disturbing new claims that isis used a soda can bomb. here's the picture.
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to take down that russian passenger jet as they say leading to the deaths of 219 russians and 5 crusaders. we'll talk to an explosives expert coming up live. plus, as the global manhunt escalates, cnn is live inside syria where authorities at one point believe the ringleader could be. and you will see how the raid unfolded live on cnn in the overnight hours there in paris. the moments of explosions, the gun fire. do not miss this. this is cnn's special live coverage. >> very unusual that they're moving in the crowd here looking for something and now have moved down the street. you can still see one of them here still operating. they're showing their photo to -- oh, and an explosion has just gone off. this is still very much an ongoing operation. that was quite a large explosion in that dreshgs. direction.
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you are watching cnn special live coverage of the attacks in paris. i'm brooke baldwin. as this manhunt for the ringleader and other terrorists are under way, we are getting breaking news right now as far as what isis claims to be the actual bomb that brought down that russian passenger plane over egypt's sinai peninsula. you see the pictures here on cnn. this is what isis says the wiring you see here apparently they say was stuffed inside that soda can, turning the can essentially into an ied, an improvised explosive device. and this is what the terror group claims brought down that russian passenger jet over egypt last month, killing all 224 people on board. this picture was just published in the latest edition of this isis online propaganda magazine. let me bring in two important voices to talk more about this. our cnn correspondent ian lee who is live in cairo. and anthony may is back with us today, a retired explosives
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officer security and consultant. thank you both for being with me. ian, before we get to the point that isis is saying, you know, that russia wasn't the intended initial target, the pictures here. not only did they come forward and immediately claim responsibility, but now they're saying, hey, this is how we pulled it off allegedly. >> that's right. it took some time for them to come out and show this picture of what they said brought down the plane. it is an innocuous can of soda that explosives experts say could hold roughly a pound of explosive. you have the detonator and you also have the switch. it's a pretty primitive device that could bring down a plane. now, the one thing, though, that is very concerning is in this magazine isis says that the initial target was a plane belonging to their, quote, american-led western coalition. they were trying to bring down a
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plane that could belong to the united states or any one of their partners that are bombing isis in syria. they're also saying that they switched their target to the russian plane only after russia started bombing isis targets inside syria. now, we do not know if this is the genuine bomb. it does raise a lot of safety concerns, but it also could be isis trying to get investigators off their scent, trying to distract them. we're going to twait to see if they can find any evidence of this bomb, but according to one explosive expert who told cnn this sort of bomb would be detonated by someone on the plane. so a suicide mission, brooke. >> ian, stay with me. anthony, when i first saw this picture today -- and you are the expert here -- how could this soda can and what could be placed inside of the soda can
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take down a massive passenger plane? >> good afternoon, brooke. you know, it doesn't take much to bring down a plane in flight if it's placed in the most critical area of the aircraft breaking the fuselage. however, doing a forensic analysis of just the photograph, looking at the components that they presented to us, this device, the can contains a white substance. you see that whole in the bottom of the can. that would be where the detonator -- we're moving from the photograph left to right. that hole shows a white substance. now, that white substance could be the explosive component, possibly tatp, most like live, probably a plastic type explosive. the detonator, which is the second item from the left, there would be inserted in that hole. and then the item which concerns me is that switch, which is the item on the far right. that's a single throw rocker
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switch with possibly a 9 volt battery attached to it wrapped up in tape. you can't see the battery. with the two led lights, red and green, then that wire that stick upz s up to the top. with just these components as demonstrated, an individual would have to initiate this device, meaning this device is in a suicide type bomb, initiated by the bomber himself by simply throwing the switch once everything is hooked up. >> i'm looking at this now. to underscore your point, on the far right, you see that switch almost like an on/off power switch. you're saying someone would have had to essentially flip the switch to deploy the bomb. >> exactly. >> interesting language and again check the source, this is isis coming out of this online propaganda magazine, but they say it was 219 russians and 5 other crusaders who were killed.
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they call them crusaders. and number them at five. my other follow-up for you, we still don't know whether this was an inside job, someone on the inside at the sharm airport, or if this just simply passed through security. they say in this magazine, after having discovered a way to compromise the security at the sharm el sheikh international airport, they went on to take this plane down. is this the kind of thing -- i don't know how familiar you are with this airport -- that could pass through security? >> well, let's be clear. the "inspire" magazine, they have a design for what they call -- >> that's al qaeda this is isis, "dabiq". >> i'm sorry. this type of device here has a large metal signature to it. >> aha. >> any typical protocol, security protocol, should detect this, via the metal detectors, via the x-rays. however, with that said, it's not unlikely or impossible to
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separate these components and an individual carry a separate component through security and assemble the device on the other side or, most likely, an insider threat getting this item, circumventing security, getting it to the airport. >> exploiting a security flaw. >> if it was used on the airport. >> exploiting a security flaw at the airport, that's what isis says. we check the source, but this is what they're putting out for the world to see. anthony may, thank you again so much. coming up next, authorities working to identify the two people killed in this paris suburb during a massive police raid this morning. we heard from the prosecutor just a little while ago. gunfire for basically an hour. is the ringleader of the paris attacks among the dead? more on our breaking news from paris, next. "day toalive"♪
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welcome back. i'm jake tapper live in paris, france. this is cnn special coverage of the city that authorities here say dodged another major terrorist attack today, just five days after the coordinated assaults that killed 129 people, wounding hundreds more. french police sources say teams arrived, quote, right in time, quote, as they raided two apartments on the same street in saint-denis, a suburb north of paris. it was a major operation, police say, one that led to the arrests of eight suspects, another two killed, one by police sniper, the second blew herself up by detonating her suicide belt, police say. belgium broadcaster rtbf says the woman who killed herself is the cousin of this man, the ringleader of friday's tacks,
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abdelhamid abaaoud. i spoke with a woman who lives nearby this police raid. >> i heard the burst of gunfire around 4:30 in the morning and followed by, like, bomb bomb bomb. so i think it was grenades, one after another. it was horrible. i kept lying on the floor because i was scared to be hit by the stray bullets. so i didn't sleep since 4:30 in the morning. the raid has been finished, but still we're not allowed to be out. no work today. just stay home. it's really terrible. just panic. just panic. i couldn't believe it. really unbelievable knowing that just behind your building
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someone could blow up at any time. so it was a horrible feeling. >> with me now cnn international anchor hala gorani. hala, how did french police know about these apartments in saint-denis? >> over the last few days we know they found a car that they believed one of the attackers used. they also found a cell phone at the bat la can site, the site of the worst of the massacres friday evening. all of this intelligence led them to these apartments in san da knee. it's a suburb of paris. a major military operation, 5,000 rounds of ammunition in the space of several hours were used. we know there are seven individuals under arrest being questioned right now, two at least dead. but the scene we understand inside is going to take a very long time to process. it's not just that the bodies in some cases are in a space that
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is difficult to sort of -- i mean, to be perfectly blunt, you can't carry them out to a forensic lab. but also they have to use explosives and special weapons to get inside the apartment. the prosecutor has said that it was a reinforced door and in order to get in they had to use very heavy weaponry. you saw the outside of the building, glass blown out, rubble everywhere. it will take them a long time to go through all that evidence. >> hala, of the seven or eight who have been arrested, what do we know about them? >> reporter: we know that at least three of them were in the apartment so that's extremely important because they were in direct contact, close proximity to the two dead and another suspected terrorist who died as a result of the grenade attack. others were outside. they were the owners or the person who had the key to the apartment and one of his associates as well. they're going to want to talk to them because they want to know, listen, what did you know about these people who came here?
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police and prosecutors are saying this is a major attack that was thwarted. did you know what they were up to? >> and help clear something up for us. we also heard there was a raid on a church nearby whaxt was that about? >> reporter: that was a false alarm in the end but dramatic pictures nonetheless. saint-denis basilica, the church is an extremely old gothic building. i'm sure our viewers saw throughout the day if they've been following reporters -- they ended up busting a door, thought there was a weapons cache inside. there were report that's a photographer had gone up to the roof, perhaps he was confused with a gunman. in the end it yielded nothing but a broken door and dramatic pictures. >> glad nothing was there. hala, thanks so much. brooke, back to you in washington, d.c. >> thank you sto much. we are learning more about the terror ringleader's tie syria specifically. cnn is live on the ground there in country. we will take you there after this quick break. also thed aheahead, eight terro
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suspects are in custody. how are french officials planning to interrogate all of them? former assistant fbi bill gavin who worked on the 1993 trade center bombing joins me after this break.
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obviously the intense global search to find the suspected ringleader in paris terrorist attacks abdelhamid abaaoud is on. it's unclear if he was killed in the raids overnight in paris. there was suspicion he was in syria with the leader of isis, now there's an indication he could still be in france. our senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has done extensive reporting on
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him. he joins me now live from inside of syria. nick, i've been watching your reporting all day. i want you to talk to me about what you know about his past and specifically the fact that apparently he was able to move back and forth between syria and france undetected. has to be concerning for western intel. >> reporter: certainly. we should point out we don't precisely know his whereabouts and know 100% if he got successfully to europe ahead of this raid. back in october there was suggestions that perhaps an air strike in raqqah may have killed him. in fact, he sort of went radio silent for a bit leading to speculation he may have died. that may well not be the case according to all the information coming out of paris right now. but his history with the islamic state began most reports seem in early 2014, pretty near the beginning of it as an organization, in fact. it was getting under way. he was said in fact to have been able to persuade his 13-year-old brother unis to join him in
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syria on what they refer to as jihad earning the revulsion media reports suggest of his parents. he also has been pictured in isis propaganda, notably once dragging corporations behi dragging corpses behind a truck. also being pictured alongside two other jihadists killed in a raid in belgium in january. quite his moves this year aren't clear. he was certainly pictured in isis propaganda magazine in february in syria and in fact they are saying how easy it was for him to move around and how he had yet to be intercepted. but the precise movements after that are not clear. obviously because muof the speculation or reports that he is somehow in paris or europe again. if that were the case, that would be quite terrifying. this is a high profile individual, brooke. someone who appeared very
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publicly an regularly in isis propagan propaganda. they all the same if that is the case managed to get himself back into europe undetected. brooke? >> they have to find him. they're working on it. nick paton walsh live inside of syria. thanks to you. back to paris now to my colleague jake tapper. >> thanks, brooke. just moments ago the french prosecutor detailed just how dangerous and difficult the conditions were for police as they raided a third floor apartment in northern paris. officers firing 5,000 rounds, five of the individuals were wounded. the shootout alone lasted an hour. bystanders captured some of the siege on camera.ç [ gunfire ]
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>> joining me now, bill gavin, the former assistant director of the fbi in new york during the 1993 world trade center bombing. the prosecutor a few moments ago spoke about trying to identify several suspects from the raid. two dead. others alive. what does that involve, identifying these krid v indivi? let's start with the ones who are alive. >> the ones who are alive of course there will be tr interrogation techniques. they'll be able to do diploma s fingerprints, dna. but the interview techniques will be all-important. and while the french i'm sure have some sophistication in interviewing, they can bring to bear the information that the fbi, cia have in producing some
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results to keep along with what should be done with any prisoner taken in a terrorism attack like this. >> eight suspects in custody, bill. how do french authorities typically extract information from individuals like this, especially when timing is so critical with so many suspicions of active plots going on right now? >> first of all, all individuals who are in custody i'm sure will be given the chance to voluntarily talk with authorities. but, as you say, it's -- the exigent circumstances here are terrific and they want that information as rapidly as they can get it to lead to other individuals or to other plots to destroy other parts of the city. they need to talk to these individuals. they will increase the pressure
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in order to induce these people to talk. there's no doubt about that. >> tell us about the preparation of law enforcement to conduct a raid such as this. obviously these individuals don't necessarily have any fear of death. they use explosives. they are potentially heavily armed. how does that impact executing an operation like this, especially when there's such a time crunch, time pressure? >> i think to begin with determining how they got there to get that address, i'm sure that the evidence response team sent from the fbi in new york to assist the french with obtaining information off that cell phone that was found at the nightclub was all-important. secondly, the french have been ready to do something like this since friday night. they have geared up. they're up to defcon 5 getting
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ready to do something like this, and they're prepared. they want to make sure they have all the right armaments. they want to make sure they have all the right techniques. they have whatever they may need to breach the quarters where they may find these people. there are all kinds of things to go into preparation for something like this. but i can suspect that the french since sunday have been very much available and ready to do something like this. the bottom line is, they can't let down their guard just because this raid is over. there will be other raids in france, and i'm afraid in belgium and the uk and germany and unfortunately in the united states as well. >> bill, we're told that encorruption apps were found on the phone that you referred to. how are investigators able to get through these encryption apps? could there be a way for smartphone makers to theoretically help law enforcement bypass the
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encryption me encryption messages without opening up consumers' risk to hackers or invasion of their privacy? >> it's very difficult. there are techniques to take a phone like the one that was found to get through and find out what apps were used, when and to whom they were communicating, those kinds of things. the other thing is, in the manufacturer of these smartphones and in any communication nowadays, particularly even with toys, xbox and whatnot, that end to end encryption is devastating to law enforcement and to the intelligence agencies. there is just no way that we know of at this present time to get around that, other than have the manufacturers design a back door. they're suggesting a broken key technique, but that just takes too darn long to utilize. particularly in a situation exigent situation, like they have in france right now. that end to end encryption needs
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to be addressed by the congress of the united states and hopefully throughout the world because it is devastating to law enforcement and to intelligence agencies. >> there will be a debate that we have here on cnn quite a bit in the coming days and weeks. bill gavin, thank you so much. stay with us. breaking news now. reports of five men from syria allegedly traveling with fake passports detained at an airport in honduras in the capital. this according to a cnn affiliate. we'll have a live report on this breaking story when we come back. you're watching cnn special live coverage. stay with us. and enjoyable approach... compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing! sfx: pants ripping how you doing eddie? almost there. small steps. at axa, we'll help you take the next steps,
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. we know authorities in brussels remain on high alert as this manhunt intensifies for the suspected ringleader of the paris attacks and the so-called eighth fugitive. abdelhamid abaaoud is from the molenbeek area of brussels where multiple raids have happened. salah abdelsalam is also from the same area. belgigiu belgium's federal prosecutors says the ties between these two terrorists date back to 2011 when both men were serving time in prison together. today hundreds of people flooded this district in a massive peace rally here, and that is where we have our cnn senior investigative correspondent drew griffin. drew, just to be precise, we hear from the french prosecutor both of these two not among those arrested they believe at all in the overnight raids. tell me more about the connections between these two.
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>> reporter: well, as you said, they spent about a month together in prison. they grew up here together. mostly in the criminal element of what we're considering to be just a small enclave on the outside of brussels. these men did know each other, and they know of each other. and it looks more and more like this entire ring was centered here in this district where they held this vigil today trying to show the world that they are with the rest of the world in this global fight against terrorism. but at the same time officials are now finding more and more links back here to this one tiny little muslim enclave where not only this terrorist plot may have been hatched but so many others have come from. and many terrorists know to come here, in fact, to buy their weapons. not just because they're easy to buy, brooke, but today we found out also they're relatively cheap. you can pick one up for about $1,000, we're told, on the black market for a kalashnikov rifle.
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this is why the people came out today saying, hey, that's not us. but they have to deal with reality that this terror plot looks like it was completely organized right here in this little district on the outside of brussels. brooke? >> tell me more about this district, drew. you have to imagine you have investigators all throughout now. what are the challenges for them to get people to turn, to talk? >> reporter: the big challenge is for generations now there has been a muslim community here that has mostly young unemployed men, and they've developed many different criminal syndicates and kind of a black market attitude. because the unemployment that they face kind of fills that gap. so you have the criminal element. then you have all of these other elements coming into this toxic soup which involves weapons, guns, illicit activity. add to that any kind of radical islamic ferment and you've got
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this explosion that takes place. that's what the police are dealing with. the other thing they're dealing with is more nuanced, in that all of these muslim communities are not one muslim community. the raqqahns, pakistanis, middle easterners, northern africans all kind of have their own community within the community. and you have a small police force trying to penetrate each and every one of those, it becomes very, very difficult. the belgian police have been criticized for it. they say they're going to step up their activity but really they've been behind the ball on trying to interject and getting involved in some of these plots. >> drew griffin there in brussels on the thread, the connections between the suspected ringleaderor and this eighth fugitive. we now have breaking news i want to get right to you here. there are reports of five men allegedly from syria traveling apparently with fake passports. they have been detained at the airport in the capital of honduras. this is according to a cnn
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at that. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin here in washington. today we are back with cnn special live coverage of new and extraordinary developments here in the wake of the deadly string of attacks in paris. but first i want to go to my colleague chris cuomo live in paris with breaking news. >> reporter: we do have new information, report that's five men allegedly from syria have been detained at an airport in honduras. according to a cnn affiliate, the men were traveling with fake passports. rosa flores is joining us with more. what do we know about these five, where they may have been
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headed, et cetera? >> here's what we know from authorities. this is from national police there in honduras. they were arrested, these five syrian nationals, in the capital of honduras. now, they were holding fake greek passports, is what authorities are telling us. now, these could have been altered, falsified, but they are fake greek passports. now, authorities in honduras have contacted greek authorities to make sure that they're aware of what they found in their country. now, about their intentions, chris, this, of course, is the big question. according to authorities there in honduras, these men were trying to travel from the capital to san pedro sula and from there they were planning, according to authorities, to travel to the united states. now, i've been to san pedro sula. we've been covering immigration stories in central america for a
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while now. there is obviously a route that a lot of these immigrants from central america take to make it to the united states. so, according to honduran authorities, that was their plan. now, we've got to measure this, chris, because there is no nexus to terrorism according to what authorities are telling us at this particular time. they have alerted greek authorities, but they are measuring this, saying that they do not have any evidence that there is any nexus to terrorism, that these are terrorists or that these are even refugees. they are calling them nationals. these are five nationals that were found in honduras with fake pass portses. now, it's important to know that interpol is also involved. we actually have seen these passports. we're digging into -- i'm talking to some of my contacts in honduras to get more information. but that is the latest. five syrian nationals found in
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the capital of honduras trying to travel to an airport that is closer to the united states, it's in the northwest quadrant of that country, and trying to make it to the united states. chris? >> reporter: rosa, this is still very much under investigation. it is fresh information we're bringing to you. you heard what rosa flores is reporting. it may sound counterintuitive, but fake passports is not something new it's been going on for a long time in a lot of places. but they're buzz words involved in this recent report. you heard the word "syria" in there, although they're in central america. that is going to be something that gets extra attention given the current global environment with terrorism. and of course any indication that the men were headed to the united states would also up the interest of u.s. authorities. we will stay on that. but right now we're in paris, and this city is very much on edge and for good reason. there was a major development here today. police believe they thwarted another attack just, quote, in time. that's according to them.
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it was a bloody shootout we'll tell you about. another development as well. a concern that with all the advantages coming with the increased police presence in this state of emergency and all these raids, that that may be creating pressure to accelerate the time table for terrorists with whatever attacks were in the pipeline. we'll have more on that in a moment. we also have two very active searches ongoing, one for the eighth terrorist from friday's attack and this new twist involving the alleged planner of friday's paris attacks. what we know about that is that the prosecutor came out, giving a statement about what had happened today, and he said that they now believe the planner might not be in syria as they were saying just as of yesterday but could be right in france, and that's why they went to saint-denis outside paris and launched that information today. that was the fruit of wiretaps and cell messages discovered in just a last couple of days. so that's the what the prosecutor was saying. there's also a report from state pd in belgium. they say that this raid today had one female terrorist there
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who blew herself up with an explosive belt, as french kmond doughs moved in. they believe that woman was not just of a terrorist but the cousin of the alleged planner. the prosecutor would not say the planner is in custody and he would not say if he had been killed. he actually did say he's not in custody. he would not say whether or not he had been killed. so the female terrorist obviously died, a second terrorist was also unidentified but said to have been killed. that's the situation here right now. it was a really big development that's inside france. outside france, thousands of miles away, french war planes launched new attacks on isis command centers in syria. this comes as isis magazine made a big claim today that it was their militants who brought down that russian jet in late october. and as proof, they published a picture of what they say is the bomb, the ied, in this case if you believe what is offered a soda can, as you can see, and some kind of simple detonation device. this is in conflict with the reporting that had come out by what they thought the explosive
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device was. let's bring in nic robertson. this was a big day with this major place. let's start with the place it was, our colleague clarissa ward climbed on a rooftop where you are in saint-denis where she was able to see the raided apartment and everything going on with literally hundreds ever assets on the ground. let's play a little bit now. >> reporter: we've managed to get onto a rooftop here from which we can see the building behind me. i'm just going to duck out so that we can push in and take a look at that apartment building that was the focus of these raids. we can see forensic experts have been moving around inside those rooms. they've been taking photographs, and you can see the aftermath of those blasts that were heard. all the windows have been blown out. you can see the pock marks of heavy weaponry around those windows. >> reporter: now, nic, clarissa and also the prosecutor gave us
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the facts of what happened in that raid. i got some of the flavors from some police who are familiar with the operation. they say that authorities had to basically just disintegrate that apartment to deal with the firepower that was coming at them and of course that exploded belt. so what do we know about the status of what they were able to do with that crime scene after how blownup it was and this information about the suspected planner of the paris attacks not being in syria but being right here? >> reporter: yeah, it's still an unknown question. is abdelhamid abaaoud the body lying inside that apartment building? you know, as recently as about an hour ago, there was a controlled explosion because the police are still going through that building, still have concerns about some of the items they're finding there. that would be accounted for the controlled explosion. the prosecutor told us 5,000 rounds of ammunition fired during that exchange to the point that it has led to a
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significant amount of destruction on that building. that means that the investigators that are in the building now not only have to be worried about booby-traps but have to be worried about the physical safety and security inside that building that is so beaten up, if you will, that it may collapse on them. that appears at least on the face of it at the moment to be delaying the dna analysis of the body. two people killed we're told. one of them we know a female suicide bomber. was the other person who died there, a male, was that abdelhamid abaaoud? that just isn't clear at the moment? but it does seem by what we're seeing right now tonight that the police are still taking their time and precaution to go completely through that building, chris. >> reporter: all right, nic, there was the woman who blew herself up, another woman they took into custody along with other terrorists. the prosecutor wasn't giving out identities the all that matters is they have something to go on
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as far as people who they can talk to. let's bring in stefan due prees. he was one of the first to arrive on the scene after the charlie hebdo killings. we also have cnn producer tim lister. stefan, let's start with the shocker. you had the operation but just as shocking we saw the building, it's not the exterior of paris. it looks like beirut. but the planner isn't so far away as they assumed but right here in the locust of the attacks themselves. how do you make sense of that? >> it's incredible. if it's proved it's him -- >> reporter: it's not coming from us. the police said that the reason they launched this operation is they had actionable intelligence that this was him. >> that's very worrying because he was believed to be in syria but actually hiding in plain sight under the nose of the paris police. it shows that the real issue with the intelligence is they do have huge possibilities to
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gather intelligence. actually, they're not really using this intelligence. and he was just -- it's not very far from here. how is this possible that one of europe's most wanted men is just hiding in plain sight in paris? >> reporter: is it fair to say that obviously at least to him and people like him they feel this is a safe place to be? >> i think it's too early to judge, but it's clear there is a problem with the intelligence not only in france but in the rest of europe as well. and in france itself there are a couple of intelligence services, interior, exterior, and they hate each other. there's a lot of an animosity. they exchange information badly. this has been changed since charlie hebdo. you see it's not still working as it should be. >> reporter: but they were making incredible progress. that's why they were able to do this process with little turnaround. tim lister, i was bouncing off an idea i heard from police in reporting with you.
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let's share that conversation with everybody else. their thinking was, there's somewhat of a rebounding concern from all of this increased pressure they're putting on with all of these operations and their detentions of people. and that is that they may be pushing these cells into acting more quickly because of the sense of urgency now. what do you make of that? >> i think that's quite conceivable, chris, yes. in a way, these groups don't have a lot of time because they know the intensive manhunt on for their support network is going on all the time. i think they set themselves time tables, schedules within which to act because of both security, money, and other issues, logistical issues. we know from what the french prosecutor said this evening that the operation on friday night was extremely well coordinated. there was a cell phone that was used that was subsequently thrown in a bin saying, we're here, we're ready to do our part. all the cars converged on the site, different sites, on friday night at the same time. there was a lot of chord nailoo
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going on. and i think they're pushing this intensity and not least because france has become a much more active partner in the coalition strikes against syria. i think isis is putting down a major marker and changing the landscape of this conflict with the west through these operations. it wants to make a big point, and it's succeeding. >> reporter: tim, what is the weight of the unknown here when you hear from officials that we don't know if this operation today, this team, this cell, whatever you want to call them, is the end of it, that there could be others? >> i think one thing that's become absolutely apparent from this series of events is that european intelligence agencies don't have much of a handle on who's coming back from syria, whether they have intent to carry out attacks on european soil. it's estimated that the several hundred european fighters with
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isis about a quarter have come back. but we know at least two probably three of those involved last friday had gone to syria, come back undetected. even their families had no idea that they had come back. the belgian justice minister said, we hadn't a clue that one of these attackers was back on belgian soil. he made the point they don't have the resources to track these people. every single fighter that comes back from syria or iraq is estimated at 25 officers, analysts are acquired to track their moverments. this is the scale of the charge. and the europeans are really scrambling to catch up with the flow of both outward and backwards. on top of which you have the silos of intelligence, intelligence agencies very zealous of their sources, information. they're not sharing enough information. it's a huge challenge, chris. >> tim lister, stefan due vees, thank you very much. you would think the authorities would be celebratory today.
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they weren't. they said this is just the beginning. this place very much on edge. kol coming up, disturbing new claims that isis according to themselves used a soda can bomb to take down that russian passenger jet. is that possible? we continue to monitor breaking news. there's an active manhunt and five syrian men detained in honduras with fake passports at an airport. keep it here. special live coverage ahead. the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind.
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. we are here in paris and we have new claims about what exactly brought down that russian passenger jet in egypt. isis is posting a picture today online showing what they say is what the bomb was all about. take a look at it right there on your screen. that is a schwepps soda can and
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a simple detonator. a bomb expert said it contains a blasting cap, wires and toggle switch attached to a battery. isis claims these items were all hidden inside that can. is that true? is that reasonable? let's talk to cnn safety analysis david soucie, author of "why planes crash." we also have cnn political analyst josh rogen who writes about national security and foreign affairs. david, from what you can see in this picture, we were told this was a one kill low gram, 2.2 pound, explosive that took down the plane. now they're saying it's a soda can. is what you see compelling? >> well, it's not a 2.2 pound explosive. that's for certain if this is what it was. and it would take about that to take down an airplane. so i'm a little xepskeptical, c
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this. it would have to be very well placed by someone who knew exactly where to put it for this to work. >> it looks crude. however, can something as simple as this type of ied, basically, be detonated remotely? or did you need someone on that plane? >> i don't see any way this could be remote. if you notice looking at it, there's no transmission device, nothing like a little antenna, anything like that. if it is remotely charged, this thing, it would have to be remotely activated by a very close distance, very close to it. it doesn't look to me there's any capability here that would indicate it could be remotely detonated from the ground. >> josh, the last thing that anybody wants to do is brag for isis, but when you look at this combination effect, you've got that jet in egypt, obviously the paris attacks, it does seem as though their capabilities in the
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reach of the threat is real and expanding. now, when we talk about that, is there any reason to check that understanding, or do you believe it is what it seems, that the ability of this terror group to reach out and touch innocents is expanding? >> yes, chris. first of all, on the earlier point, i just received a statement from a senior u.s. intelligence official about the soda can bomb, and this official speaking on behalf of the intelligence community -- this is first on cnn -- told me and i quote, although i cannot confirm this was the bomb that took the plane down, a similar device could be sufficient to cause catastrophic damage to an aircraft. so this is the u.s. intelligence community responding to these reports in the isis propaganda magazine and saying that a similar device is capable of doing the type of damage. this also dovetails with reports that the soda can -- that the bomb, real esta was in the cabi plane and not the cargo hold as was previously reported.
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to your question directly, if you read through the "dabiq" magazine, this is part of the article written by a british hostage, that the islamic state has an active plan to expand its operations and in addition to the three that we've seen over the past weeks is planning more. their theory, their mission as they describe it themselves, again, taking into account this is terrorist propaganda, is that they want to draw the west into a larger invasion of their caliphate to bring about a prophetic final battle between the muslims and crew causadecru >> this obviously is consistent with their perverse view of the apocalypse and armageddon and what is supposed to bring the end of days and everything else they're selling to people they're radicalizing. but the bottom line for us, in terms of the capabilities, the admission by nonadmission by that official seems to say, yes, this could have been enough, didn't have to be in the cargo hold, could have been smuggled not, even without someone on
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board. bottom line? >> exactly. the bottom line is u.s. intelligence officials and homeland security officials are taking the threat of continued attacks added with the chatter on isis social media about the attacks to attack washington very seriously. tsa can only do so much. it's a combined law enforcement/intelligence and homeland security matter. the threat is real and everyone is working to thwart it as diligently as they possibly can. >> we'll take that as the silver lining. every time they put it out as how they do it, it allows the good guys to combat it more. mr. rogen, mr. soucie, thank you very much. when we get back, back to our breaking news here in paris. french police say that they literally got to an attack just in time. if we'll bring in erin burnett. she spoke with neighbors in the area. get their perspective net.
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just about the bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn special live coverage. i'm brooke baldwin. back on our breaking story here. we're getting reports that five men reportedly from syria have been detained at the airport in tegucigalpa, the capital of honduras. police say they were traveling with fake passports. let's go to evan perez. what do we know? >> there are a couple of these incidents that have happened in the last few days in the wake of the paris attacks getting people's attention. let me explain a little bit about it. for instance a couple of days ago, authorities in st. martin, the dutch part of st. martin in the caribbean island, detained three men who they believed were syrian origin and who were carrying fake or false greek passports or passports that were not theirs. so those people were detained. they're under investigation.
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that information has been provided, kicked up to u.s. law enforcement. now, this is part of a greater effort that the u.s. is doing, i'm told, since the paris attacks, a new effort to share a lot more information on this database of false documents, travel documents, passports, which is really a problem, a phenomenon around the world. a lot of migrants use false documents, some of them have lost their documents as they were trying to escape syria or other countries. some of them -- again, this is a way for them to move around, and so we shouldn't be making -- nobody should be making assumptions about what the intentions of these people are. it's not clear. there's no indication that any of them are terrorists hiding. obviously that is a big concern. that's one reason why the u.s. is doing a lot more sharing of this information. but it's really more to also help these countries in latin america secure their own borders. so there's a bigger effort being made in the last few days i'm told by u.s. authorities to
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share some of this information so the authorities can keep an eye out for this. u.s. law enforcement obviously is very concerned that there are indication terrorist groups have tried to exploit the flow of migrants and this big market really of false documents out there. again, no indication yet that these men in honduras or these in st. martin had anything to do with terrorism. obviously everybody's dial is a little turned up right now because everybody is very, very nervous about what's happening in the world in the wake of what happened in paris. again, we want to make sure that people understand the context of everything that haes happening here. >> appreciate the context and perspective. evan perez, thank you so much. chris cuomo, back to you in paris. >> let's get back now to what looked like a war zone just outside paris this morning. 5,000 rounds fired, explosions, all part of a bloody operation here. french police say that their teams arrived, quote, right in time to prevent another attack.
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they stormed these two apartments on the same street in this area just outside paris called saint-denis. a suburb really north of paris. it was a major operation. they got eight suspects, two supposedly killed in it as well. again, 5,000 rounds. when you look at that building, it looks like it is something out of a war zone, not here just on the fringe of north paris. the floors inside are almost unstable because of the amount of munitions used. why did the authorities have to do that? because of what they were dealing with in terms of fire received from the bad guys inside. one woman suicide bomber turned out to be exploded her own belt. they had heavy small arms fire as well coming at them. the shootout itself lasted an hour. let's turn to cnn's erin burnett. erin, you went into the neighborhood, talked to the people there who somehow had to make normalcy out of all of that at the beginning of their day. what did you hear? >> reporter: you know, it was amazing, chris. as you get close, all the stores are closed.
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obviously, they would ordinarily be open. it is a middle class and then as you get further in lower middle class neighborhood. yes, it was completely a war zone. we had a chance to talk to some people. they were terrified this morning. actually talked to a man who lived right across the street. showed me everything that he saw. i mean, it was incredible. 35 minutes he had of the footage of the shooting, nonstop shooting and shooting and shooting and explosions and detonati detonations. when it all started, he thought it was some sort of a garbage truck. then they heard the police storm in, the shouting, and the shots. and they all ran downstairs to watch this. but they were terrified and i think also chris, important to emphasize, a lot of these people that are in this neighborhood, you certainly have some sort of criminal element, but also illegal immigrants. i talked to one man an illegal immigrant from nigeria, not here legally. that's part of the reason he was afraid to talk and also part of the reason a few of these men that i talked to indicated that
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maybe people hadn't wanted to call police or call authorities to tell them that they thought abaaoud was in their neighborhood yesterday. >> well, that's really important perspective. that is a big part of this dynamic, erin. as you know well and the rest of us are learning, there is a little bit of a division here between these muslim communities and french society in general. that is something that leads into areas like saint-denis. this is important reporting. we'll see the rest of it with erin tonight on "outfront" 7:00 p.m. eastern vgof course. we also have a lot of new details to tell you about. it was once believed that those who got involved into this type of radical islamism were misguided idealists. not anymore. they're petty criminals being picked for radicalization. you're going it to hear a story how two street criminals got pick pded up for the same crime four years ago, did some time together and ended up planning
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and executing friday's paris attacks. stay with us.
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the paris attacks have us asking an all-too-familiar question, what kind of people would so wantonly abuse humanity? we're getting insight into that and new details emerging about the personal connections between the suspected ringleader and one of the attackers. cnn has learned from belgian prosecutors that the eighth terrorist from friday and the alleged planner of all of this spent time in prison together after being picked up for the same crime in 2011. now, let's discuss how you go from something so small like that to being involved in something as terrible as what
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just happened. joining us now, benjamin ha dad, french diplomacy and security expert at the hudson institute. his brother was also inside the french stadium during friday's attack. also with him is naviyd jamally, a reserve naval intelligence officer and special contributor to the military times. let's start with your brother, that's what matters most. is he okay? how is he? >> he's okay. he's fine like all the people in the stadium as you know. the attack against the stadium was not carried out as the suicide bombers had planned. >> good. that is good to know. i'm sure just because he wasn't physically injured doesn't mean he doesn't have to deal with everything he experienced there. that makes him like so many in this city right now. so we wish him the best going forward. let's talk about what this all means. the idea that it's not about being some misguided idealist anymore, someone who's about the cause. it's that they're using criminals and radicalizing them
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and getting them very far in a short amount of time, to go from 2011 where you get picked up for robbery and do some time inside to becoming the planner of what happened friday. how does this happen? why pick this guy and how does it accelerate so quickly? >> well, this is what these radical groups have been doing for a while, actually. prisons in france have been one of the main victors of radicalization with radical imans picking up vulnerable people looking for a fight who sometimes have a thirst for violence as well. and some of the radicals and terrorists that they were involved in previous attacks in france have been radicalized in jail. that was the case in the one who killed the jewish kids in 2012 or the assassin after the charlie hebdo attacks ten months ago. prisons or the internet, so many
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victim rz of radicalization that are acting on youth in europe, all over europe, and with syria obviously in the background acting as an inspiration, magnet, intellectual center of gravity of it all. >> so, naviyd, let's take another step into this. how? how does that work? what's the psychology of it? you come up to a guy in prison who gets picked up on robbery doing time. he's a con man. he's on the make this guy, not necessarily looking to be a bloody murderer. what is that progression? >> well, terrorism first of all is a criminal enterprise, and sadly there will always be an abundance of people who are willing to take it on. it's just the case. there will always be these foot soldiers. the bigger question is how do we detect and stop it? you know, we can talk about ideology, radicalization. i think frankly the burr time and effort of the intelligence services is spent on how we detect it. you guys have done a phenomenal job talking about encryption.
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this is a huge part this and has to be part of the conversation. >> in what context, though? because you say it is a criminal enterprise. it's true. but these guys in the bat la can are walking around taking people in wheelchairs and separating them and shooting them and the whole time talking about syria and the bombing and this is what it's about. it's just the beginning. that level of deranged propaganda is no small step from, yeah, i like to do things in a rough way, i'll get down with you guys as well. that's a big leap. that's what i want to know. how do they make it so successfully with so many? >> you're absolutely right, chris. the reality, though, is, again, there's a difference between aspiration and actually being able to practically implement this. and sadly the world events, there will always be people -- we have radical i maums. we talked about syria. we talked about the economic inequalities in europe. i'm half-french. this is a problem. that being said, there's a big difference between aspiration and actually being able to practically implement this.
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and the operational part of this is really -- there will always be people who feel these things. it is the difference between those people and those who are actually -- who actually physically carry this out that we should focus on. >> and obviously when you talk about the operational capabilities, that's where the ease of movement comes into play, specifically in europe, specifically within france with what we're dealing with right now where they're able to go to syria, come back with their passport, tough to detect, loose boundaries, ability to fly in somewhere else and make their way here, complicating it further. ben, when you look at the time line, 2011 the guy is looking to get paid. a robbery guy. he's a smash-and-grab guy. and a little bit of time, four years later, he's planning a coordinated commando-style attack in paris killing almost 150 people? >> well, what i think that tells you is the ability of isil to recruit and train and deploy assets. i think the emphasis here is you're absolutely right. look, these guys have aspirational desires but at some point i'm sure it will be shown that they actually received
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practical hands-on training to carry this out as well as infrastructure support. that is what separates it. there will always be these foot soldiers that exist. the difference is the infrastructure, the the to support them. i think you hit the nail right on the head. the ability for isil to reach out to these guys, train them in such a quick order is a game changer and frankly it's frietdenning. >> i hit it right on the head, yet i really struggle to understand it. thank you, ben ha dad, naviyd jamally. thank you for talking us through what is going on around us. brooke, back to you. >> chris, thank you so much. as the manhunt continues for people tied to the paris attacks, turkey also detained multiple people today suspecting they, too, have links to isis. we have those details coming up next.
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all right. we're getting some breaking news here of an attack. this is getting this from the marseilles prosecutor telling cnn three young men on two scooters stopped and stabbed a jewish teacher in -- from a jewish school. one of theoung attackers apparently had a t-shirt with an isis symbol. they then insulted him, threatened to kill him. they then, and i'm quoting this prosecutor here, stabbed him in the stomach, arm and legs. the teacher is not dead. he is not in critical condition. quoting again the prosecutor, the attackers had a phone with a picture of the attacker from the
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jewish school in toulouse back in 2012. the attackers were then blocked on the street by another vehicle. they ran away. still looking for those attackers. the investigation ongoing. that happening in marseilles in france. all the while following the terror raids here in paris. in turkey, for example, police say eight suspected isis sympathizers were detained in istanbul and later deported back home to morocco. documents indicate they plan to make their way to germany by way of greece planning to take a migrant route used by tens of thousands of refugees fleeing the civilian war. joining me now from istanbul is the secretary general of the islamic corporation or oic. it is the second largest intergovernmental organization in the world after the united nations. so, mr. secretary general, thank you so much for being with me. >> well, thank you. >> let me begin, sir, with turkey where you are right now, an area through which a number
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of refugees and also a number of these terrorists pass through just by sheer geography in neighboring syria. and as we're learning in some of these case some jihadists are in fact posing as refugees. do you think erdogan, do you think turkey is doing enough to stop this? >> well, turkey is a great country. and it's an open country. there are thousands, millions of tourists who come and go. so i think turkey's doing whatever it can do. but, you know, building walls, building another million walls will not help us any. i think if you want to face up to this thing, to this phenomena of terrorism of extreme violence, you have to understand the context that causes, the roots, the environment where such femme no, ma'am nonbreeds. that's what you need to do. i think security measures,
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military bombardments will not do the trick. this should be part of a larger approa approach, we can talk about what's happening in syria, what's happening in iraq to see how environments conductive to the appearance of such groups are the core problem. are the, you know, elements that we have to face up to. it's unfortunate that all that's money, all the efforts, all this spent on military action. all you hear about is military action in syria. military action in iraq. but what about the political context? what about the social economic environment? what about dismantling the discourse on both sides? this is really where our efforts should be addressed. and this is where we in the oic try to focus on. >> let me ask you about that, if i may. because i think to your point about the larger picture and even beyond syria and iraq, your organization is launching this
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anti-extremism messaging center. tell me what you're doing. >> well, if i may just go back a little bit. since 1990, brooke, the oic has initiated action, have foreseen a problem coming. and we have agreed as a community of nations all 57 member states to have a convention on how to face up to international terrorism, a code of conduct. and since then our effort as an oic, as an organization never ceased. this messaging center aims at dismantling the discourse, brooke. we think that what you call isis we call the non-islamic state. these are just criminals. and we should deprive them from the legitimacy they claim for
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themselves. where they base, you know, out of context illiterate and literate references to and quotations to justify their action. but all of that, let me repeat myself, needs an environment. and this is where we are focusing our messaging center to. you know, let me get out of syria and iraq. if you go to another terrorist group like boko haram in northeast nigeria, you can see hoards of young people roaming the streets with no job, with no purpose, with no, you know, sense of being. and suddenly you come and promise them a source of income, you make them feel important, you make them feel like they are part of a community. and you recruit them. the core cause is how to get those people out of that hopelessness. how to create opportunities. how to open windows of hope.
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>> and that is precisely the key issue. and i know what the oic is working to do. it's with the common denominator among all these groups, the youth, the disenfranchised, to your point about socioeconomics, we need groups like yours and others to educate these young people that there are other better ways. mr. secretary general, thank you so much. the organization of islamic cooperation, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. want to get back to our breaking news. as i was reporting a moment ago this jewish teacher stabbed by isis sympathizers in the south of france, this is the city of marseilles. according to french prosecutor there. more when we come back. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want- without having to ask anyone.
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this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the
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world. i am jake tapper live in paris, france. and this is "the lead." we begin with breaking news. new extraordinary developments here. we now know friday could have happened all over again. police say a dramatic raid may have stopped another horrific terrorist attack. among the dead the suspected ringleader's cousin who blew herself up with a suicide belt, french police say. but still at large the alleged architect of the paris massacre last friday, and also the terrorist who got away that day. does another dead body at the raid seen taken out by a police sniper's bullet belong to one of those two men? [ gunfire ] >> gunfire and explosions in police raids early this morning transformed the parisian suburb of saint-denis into a battlefield. [ gunfire ] >> overnight french police swarmed two apartments and a church here targeting the ringleer